Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 650: Featuring Bruce Cassidy & Justin Williams

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stillbluecoffee.com or subscribe on amazon for 10% off guys a lot to catch up on a lot's happened the stand the cup final is set hey hey oh wait sorry sorry sorry sorry you're right there's another game to be played in the east there's another game to play in the east wonder what the winter meter is going to be on that one well yeah I so we're going to save that a little bit because we're going to go over one of the most shocking sweeps the leagues ever seen I would say it's not quite as much as Tampa Columbus few years back but right under that in terms of nobody saw sweep even the people who pick Vegas which I believe was very few when you see you know ESPN and all these different media outlets will pick winners I know we're not well they're not a lot of Vegas golden like I feel like we don't we all took Vegas I don't remember what I did I can't even remember yesterday check the tape but I do know for the most part people were picking Colorado and we've gone to the fans had taken this isn't even a series and blah blah blah but Colorado's done and the way it went down I actually think a little bit of the brinda more like didn't feel like a sweep like pretty good games right it was not like like it's not like what we're witnessing in the eastern conference right now and that's not a sweep so a lot more competitive than 40 sounds but biz you said it I think you said it against Utah that's something was clicking with Vegas and right now you're looking like a genius for one of the first times in your life oh I wouldn't go that far I think that there was a lot of influence from Bluntie Bluntie Bluntie Bluntie Jans hopped on it I mean Murr you're always kind of on the Vegas train although you were being no it was against it was against this year I picked the abs jersey over the Vegas jacket okay wow all right well fuck I guess you're an idiot too now but yeah I mean I'd be curious on how many people bet Vegas sweep like on the planet maybe not one versus a bunch of tickets there was a bunch a hundred dollar tickets at one of the Vegas casinos but that's the hell were the odds on that ticket it was 30 to one I believe I just I think it's just a classic case of a team all coming together peaking at the right time goal tending being unbelievable every trade and acquisition they've made is worked out and just Colorado I don't know man just seems like they hit a wall you know obviously McKinnon not being a hundred percent but he was through the first two and a half games kill McCarr anytime you have one defense been controlling that much of gameplay throughout the regular season and playoffs at least up until that point I think it's just going to throw your group off when all of a sudden you're going to have to throw guys out there way more than they're used to and you've been kind of running the machine a certain way for for as long as they have and I mean going back to when they want it like look at how much he was playing and look how dominant he was so um shitty situation I talked to a few guys here and and they posed a question they said and goes back to what you tweeted out with like are we really surprised that that wedge wood and blackwood didn't pull through as they their goal tenders may be a little unfair considering they they won the well it was a Jennings trophy yeah I think I just can't believe that blackwood didn't start game I agree with that and I agree with that and it's more like it's not even a shot at wedgewood in the first two games it's just when you have a season of back and forth okay pick a guy in the playoffs because we've kind of argued that as well but if you're down to oh and you've had a guy that's been your starter half the time buddy it's time to switch it up yeah and I don't want a buddy bed now I'm not saying buddy to bed I love that I love that guy I didn't know I'm just more saying buddy isn't buddy buddy you know like but at the end of the day though man like you saw in the fourth game like did it really matter no blackwood was and blackwood was good he was really good it was all about what Vegas was bringing boys so Nate head to assist all series macar zero assist in two games land as cog had three goals no assist Nelson zero points cadre one goal to assist assist and net just to assist if you're big dogs and those are big dogs those are legitimate players half of them half of them were on Olympic team besides cadre all those guys were on Olympic teams like those are your big dogs they need to show up they didn't but it's almost like you got to give the credit to Vegas you got to give the credit to the jack icols of the world guys that are able to shut down big time players and I don't know if it's more that Colorado didn't play well which obviously they didn't but I think Vegas is just at a different level right now I gotta I gotta direct message from Bob Stoffer this morning okay did you did he did he text you with to tell you that he was sending this because you just had a grimace on your face no the grimace was that I didn't get a message from Bob Stoffer all easy man I didn't want to tell you but I got one from him about a week and a half ago and I haven't talked to him in a while he might be done with me yeah he's done I don't really blame on my me how can you not be done with me at this point I gotta read this okay I gotta read this and I know you feel like he's cheating on you but you don't I don't I respect you don't want to get messages like this okay he starts off with this one love your man dot dot dot he does he's a hell of a guy he's a lover too but the Euler's top two centers both significantly compromise Euler's lose to Anaheim dot dot dot in six games you rip them this after Edmonton went to game seven and game six of the Stanley Cup final the last two years Colorado Colorado has McCart McKinnon hurt they get swept do you free pass them this emoji hey buddy I've seen other Edmonton Euler's fan media and I have to find this right now that have kind of been and I've also kind of gone after you a little bit yeah here it is biz rips Euler's but gives a pass a retweet to which you said on game notes yesterday I wouldn't change much and I kind of love that these Edmonton people get together saving it keep in mind if this was happening with Toronto fans you'd be saying they got to make everything about themselves okay we've already been we've talked about the Toronto 8 minutes it's in no we've already been through this man like you can't you can't compare the two and how they've handled business off the ice making moves like you can't like they did a better job addressing their goal tending we can't deny that for sure like I wasn't going to bring any of this up so you're right you're right like listen like Nelson he had an unbelievable regular season he went to up until Olympic break he came back didn't look like himself like did he play horribly in playoffs yeah he didn't bring it natious in the third round yeah man he looked like too much of a perimeter player only to assist like you know what hey when I have ever traded rotten and absolutely not I criticize them for the way that they handle that situation you can go back and check the tapes but I'm also not saying that they didn't do a good job of like at least replenishing what what they lost from him to some degree I mean how many points did they just have this regular season hundred the chushkin apparently he was hurt he didn't bring it I don't know how many 12 guys for Colorado you want me to criticize but like they they they ran out of steam they didn't bring it as much as the Vegas big dogs but if we're sitting here comparing the fact that Edmonton Oilers with two of the best players in the world in their prime lost in the first round to an inexperienced playoff team in Anaheim and then saying that Colorado lost to what we probably know is going to be the the future cup champions little bit of a difference here they won the president's trophy I know there's a lot more that was achieved I just love that stuff woke up and he's like I don't want to do this it's not Oilers because these the fans listen they don't deserve it I will say this say that goal pending them down a little bit but you question them yeah I questioned it going in now here's Merri I kind of as an abs guy I want to get your opinion on this because there's two sides to thinking about Colorado and Vegas will get our flowers they deserve it they do yeah the one side is hey like yeah obviously Brent Burns is UFA I think they have to sign Jack drary they have some things they got to figure out right but overall like their team is set okay and you look at presidents trophies they lose they get swept in the conference final but they'll be back next year okay then the other side is well they're all getting a little bit older they all didn't play the way they did when they won the cup three four years ago so there's also that side of like are they kind of on the way down out of the window now I'll give this stat there's been three president or president cup winning teams that have got swept in the playoffs the 95 red wings they want it to they want to straight a couple years later Tampa Bay they want to straight a couple years later and Florida want to straight right after so they didn't get swept by Vegas did they lose in five says 2022 floor oh so they weren't swept okay you're right you're right or they lost a Tampa early I don't know if it was a sweep wasn't they weren't swept you're right either way as I'm looking at Colorado not as like oh like they're kind of in trouble now I'm like Colorado if they were won the Stanley Cup next year I wouldn't be surprised it's not like holy shit Colorado's in one yeah my biggest worries I na chooshkin he had four points in 12 games he's one of those big bodies that he needed to show up in Vegas yeah he's probably hurt but Nelson you got to remember last year in playoffs when they traded for him he did nothing and we're like oh man but then he has 33 goals in a regular season what does he do in this playoffs he disappears again three points your number two center you can't have that if you're you're going against Vegas and McCarrer I said it on game notes yesterday I had all my got most of my anger and disappointment out he's got to play in game two if you don't want to play him game one because he's probably got I would bet a lot of money he's got dislocated shoulder but all right we also I'm skating that morning skate of game two he was moving around you put him in just cycle out like I don't even not just talk psychologically no you're right for his team and for Vegas like Vegas is over there oh yeah no McCarrer that just makes them step up a little bit more throw him out there maybe use him pppk and then mixy said even better is that they're the home team you can place him in spots where you want him right on an old draw spot him against a finesse line spot him pp spot him six on five you should have had him in there and you know once they lost that game we knew it was well I mean I think we all knew it was over after two periods when you could just your our eyeballs told us like I sent the Vegas in five video because you're saying because like for instance they were up one nothing most of that game right they they then a blow in that third period lead which is the first time they'd lost a lead going into the third period all season long I think they were like 40 42 oh and oh or something stupid like that the problem with the abs the power play that like if they get an opportunity in that situation to close the game out and create that separation and maybe with McCarrer in the lineup work in the top of the power play you go up to nothing and all of a sudden it's a one one series and it completely changes the mindset and dynamic like after they lost game three the way they did it was over they were defeated like put the fucking house on on them losing game four so I don't know I don't know what more criticism that we can give them outside of their some of their top guys as Jan mentioned like just didn't show up they dealt with injuries at the worst possible time they didn't get the timely save you go back to the I go goal in the barbish have goal like it all kind of just came to a bottle neck in like two games and at the blink of an eye their season was over so I think that we kind of knew that about Edmonton as you kind of watch that series where this one it was just like oh fuck it was all of a sudden done it felt like yeah so I you don't think like Colorado is going into these meetings the next couple days like Sackic seems to be a guy that's obviously level headed where they're not going in being like we got a blow things up we got to make major changes I don't know what the coach is back really I have never seen an emotional reaction unless I just haven't scoured the internet enough quite like I did in game two from Joe Sackic as they panned up to the GM box I've never seen him out the swear word in my life as they've panned up and he was like I don't know he I'm pretty sure he dropped an F bomb in there and walked off of screen I I like I don't I think Bednar is a great coach who the fuck are you going to replace him with are you going to try this Carl thing out if it was even a possibility like what if it doesn't work out no I agree I just think with the way EJ put it the other day I think it was Eric Johnson was like they tried the shake up of the core and it had to work well they don't have any first round picks for the next three seasons either so they're not in a good place draft wise they don't have a loaded prospect yeah but that's not to me that doesn't really like matter for next year and the year after like obviously it's all to gain assets like to make a trade this off season you're going to need first round picks I don't even know if they need to make that many trades I think they're guys going to play better I think if they play better and they're and they're healthy like you're that that's a you're looking at a a juggernaut battle series and then somebody's coming out of it man you built a team in order to win they ran into an absolute wagon at the perfect time and that's what it is like I think that there's been teams in the past where they made drastic moves and they look back and they're probably like oh maybe we put pick hit the panic button a little too much you just you just use tap as the example you don't think coop you don't think coop was nervous and keep in mind this isn't getting swept in the first round against Columbus you don't think coop was nervous going into that off season he probably thought he was done for sure yeah they stuck with everybody they fucking regroup they they looked themselves in the mirror like sometimes you have to work through things and let's not forget ourselves this is a coach and and most of that core who is one one with them so they've won one they've proven that they can do it so I know they've already they've already won one now that that Florida presence cup team was swept by Tampa so that was that that was factual which which one or oh in 2022 so that's my thing like I don't think the roster needs an overall they they got to get lucky it's it's all lock I'm cuz it's not all luck it's so much luck now to stay healthy do you think the Minnesota series took too much out of them too like Colorado like that's a grind of a well yeah it took my car yeah yeah he was already banged up but that took him to the other you know to the to even further when you say he was already banged up you're telling me when he I forget who we went shoulder to shoulder with and then he grimaced and like you to tell me his shoulder was already banged up from that hit against Calgary in the in the regular season the end of the year yeah he was banged up and you could tell even before the the innocent want your hats and or whoever it was it was like he wasn't really producing the way he usually does I know we had some goals not man you know not many like points like that guy like if you're looking at defenseman right now and the way that people you know you saw Quinn Hughes and you see guys point per game Lane Hudson obviously that switched the past few games that was kill McCart getting a point per game and over a point per game in the playoffs so yeah we could kind of put the the I think they hurt leccanon they hurt melinsky because those guys all came into this banged up to and and Vegas a hundred percent healthy yes stone got a little banged up but he looked better once he came back he likes the he needs a little rest he's like that uh the WWE Geef you know when he comes back with the the cat. He's the best. that thing. He's the best of coming back. - Melinsky gains another year experience. Like he just kind of stepped in in that role. Finally had like his first couple of years of getting his feet wet and knowing what it's like to be a full time NHL or and he just got the big deal. So they got him locked up at a great number for years to come. What happens with Brent Burns? Is he coming back? - I would, I mean. - Poor guy. - He's going somewhere, right? - Yeah. - Because he's got, I think it's 57 games to break the all time record. All the guy wants is a cop. I don't, but that's something that you have to consider here. The guy's not done playing. Like he doesn't have to be done playing. At times did he look a little older in the series? Yeah, but he's fucking 41 years old. Like I get it. Now on to Vegas boys, you know, we did a lot of this chat when they're up 3-0 when we chatted the other day. But the fact that, the fact that now hurdles playing this way, because we were calling out hurdle all regular season basically is second half. And then into the first few rounds, he's found something. We talked about that goal already. I mean, what a disgusting move that was. And then you have stoned down on like the third line with scissors in him, stoned gets that breakaway in game four. And after he said like, he's kind of chirping his own skating in a way and he's like, I've just been able to use angles. And it's funny. It's like hockey, I cue like if I don't have the speed, it's all about my angles and where I have to be. And he says, 'cause I've actually gotten a lot of breakways in my career. And for a guy who skates that way, he does get a lot of breakways. Because he's reading the play and he's figuring out where he has to skate to get behind guys. And that was the sign it was over. If you want to say going into the game and Murad texted us, they're only minus 105 in this game. Like they should be minus 300, which was a great call. But stoned scores that goal. And the most electrifying celebration guy in the league. Oh yeah. Just run and point net was it a McNabb who floated that thing. It's just old and it's like all boys, this thing is done. >> He was at the blue line before it crossed the goal line. It's like his fist puppet and selling it. You know what it reminded me of when in the closeout game when Marner got that break away and went between the legs where he was just like, oh, it's over. They got the first goal. >> And that was early on too. >> I get such LA Kings when they won that first cup with the vibes. When they just, they got the eighth seed and they caught lightning in a bottle and there was no stopping them. >> Drummed everyone. >> Drummed everybody. They would just, they would weigh on you. They would grind you down. You would get nothing. You couldn't get to the inside. You're getting no good quality scoring chances. They usually found a way to get that lead as I talked about. And then it would just be a dump and chase. And you're a shit sandwich game where you're like, holy fuck. You want to talk anaconda chokehold? That's what's going on there. So I mean, from top to bottom, it's the only issue they have on their team right now is who's going to get the cons might when they win it. >> So it's a conversation around here. >> I'm not, I've switched my tune from when we were chatting the other day, not on the show. Like Carolina could fucking win the Stanley Cup boys. I'm sorry. >> All right, I like that. >> And we can get into that little bit because we still have to talk Carolina much of the series still going on. And unless I'm being fooled by three teams that Carolina will have beaten once they finish off the Canadians being not that great and not Vegas level, this team is incredible. But with Vegas, the other part that's really cool is torts. And the interview after was at Bob McKenzie's son, Sean maybe I think that was, he was just chatting like, he seems so at ease and so happy. And how could you not be like he's born one? They're just, they're drumming everyone. But everything has worked out to perfection. And so you talk about the luck and the luck of being injured for Colorado and all these other teams. And then the luck of, we made a coaching change at the right time because there's a chance you're going to miss. And then Carlson comes back and Hart finds his game is the best goal he left in the playoffs. And then everything's coming together. Hurtle starts scoring again. Stone's able to come back. So it's, it's just all coming together at the right time. That would be my fear as a hurricane's fan is like, it's just, it seems like it isn't unstoppable force right now in Vegas. That's the problem. >> And the one guy we haven't talked about, I think, changed the entire team is when I started thinking is William Carlson. He got slotted into that number two center, got Mariner out of that spot where he could just play the wing and worry about that. And then Hurtle dropped into the third slot, perfect third line size. And then when the Stone injury went out, it actually worked out perfect. They saw how good Ikel was with the, with the rushing guys. Stone and Hurtle, they're both big and kind of slow, but they're both so smart and skilled. They, those three lines are just perfect. And then the fourth line is, is the dream fourth line for Stanley Cup champion. >> Did, did, did, so they move scissors to third line center and Hurtle to the left side. Had they done that, would Hurtle scored that goal down the left wing where he went to the backhand? Or was he playing center at that point? Because I noticed that they switched that in the last game, right? >> I don't know what, I would have thought he was center there. The guy made the D. Coglin went over to the other D. I don't know how to say his name. He made the long pass up the stone. The breakout that Montreal should be using on Carolina, the Russian breakout, the high tip, boom, Hurtle full speed. I, I, I would guess he was center and just curling to his forehand on that. >> Yeah, I mean. >> Vega, Vega's, shout out Vegas too, all right? So they make that deal for Rasmus Anderson. >> Right, like, that's just a top four defenseman on, on any team in the league. Stanley Cup champ doesn't matter. Probably a top two defenseman on a weaker team. The guy can play, he's paired with Hanuffin. Then you got McNabb, the horse, right? He's with Theodore who skates like the wind. He's also long-rangey. And then they're able to kind of plug in. Like Coglin's look great. Is it Corsax, the other guy? But they have other guys who've been in and out on the fifth, sixth spot. So it's, it's, it's that all coming together with Carter Hart. You can dislike this guy all you want. I don't give a fuck. The guy is in the NHL, he's the right to be the NHL. And everyone who hates him and everyone who's talking about it. Hey, talk about whatever you want. Do you think the Vegas Golden Knights don't love this guy and appreciate this guy? And John Torreira, you think a guy like that who has respect for Carter Hart, you think that he doesn't love seeing this guy come back from what he went through? And you can come at me all you want. I don't care. He's an incredible player who was found not guilty. He's playing for a reason in the NHL. And he's doing a phenomenal job. And right now, that guy who was in the depths of hell at one point sitting in a court room is, is, is doing what he loves again. And I'm happy for him. So come at me, come at him, go with the Vegas Golden Knights. I hate the fucking Vegas Golden Knights. But to see a guy who probably thought he was never going to play hockey again. Yeah. Leading the race for the cons might even though he'll never get it. Good for him. Good for him. And Vegas is now going to be chillin and waiting and practicing and Torreira is going to be singing kumbaya because this is the new Torreira. I don't know if they yell at anyone. I have this perfect hockey team who just shows up every night. The fourth line runs around and kills people. Eichel, let's start talking Eichel. I mean, is Eichel a top five player in the NHL? I don't care that he doesn't get it already at the end points. This guy, I just reheard that it was big wall. He was on the wingman podcast with Matthew and Brady. This was from a while ago when he was talking about how good Jack was. He said he ISO came to him at four nations and at the Olympics. And he was like, this guy, I didn't realize maybe because he's out west or whatever. But he is a true number one center shuts down every team doesn't cheat offense. And I think he said, yeah, he did say he was like, he's like a bark of like the way that those guys can just control a game, even if they're not playing often, even if they're not scoring goals, they can control it defensively. It's he truly is and I don't know if he doesn't, I think he gets the credit enough maybe for being like as good as he is a two way player. But man, that guy is just an absolutely fundamentally sound, amazing, amazing hockey player. Just what he brings, like there are times, if they need an offensive chef, like you'll see him put on the put on the burners, get some offensive zone. And then if they, you know, they need to like at the end of the game, he's out there. It's him and Mariner out there trying to ice the game like they have a good fourth line, like doubting those guys can win draws, but he's out there doing it. It's awesome to see what he's going to create a great comparable because I think both guys, if they didn't play a certain way, could get way more points. Oh, yeah. And they still get a shitload of points. Yeah. So all the moves Vegas has made. It goes back years and years and calling them cutthroat and villains, which I love to do. It seems like every move they make is a home run. And it doesn't hurt that they have guys who, or it's a team in a city that people really want to play for. I mean, when you talk about certain markets that guys aren't going to want to go to, that's just a fact. Vegas is not one of them. It's actually the exact opposite. And there's a reason kind of what Merle said, too, like you got I go who just took 13, five. You got Caprice off making 17. It's like you talk about a place that people want to be and want to play. You're going to take hometown discounts, everybody kind of falls in line. Now all of a sudden for the next, how many other seven years you got I go, it's at 13, five. You got Marner at now 12. I mean, Dora Fee, I was probably going to settle for 8 million bucks because he likes playing there. And he's going to score 40 goals playing with guys like Jack, I go, so it's, yeah, it seems like everybody's bought in and that's going to be a problem for the league for a few more years. I would personally, like, I mean, we can get to the Carolina series when if they were to be fully healthy and Florida were to be healthy. I would love to see them meet again. That would be unreal. That would be a, like, I mean, I'm sure that Florida, Florida was banged up last time they met, right? Yeah, like Matthew had a sternum thing. Yeah. I think, yeah. I think their whole team was depleted in that, in that finals, but yeah, man, that would be insane finals. And you never know, we might get it next year. Might get it next year. But yeah, I got to do my own horn here because if you're talking about the old Vegas team, that one, then Florida back to back. And now Vegas again, what do all four have big old demenmer, big huge demon, no little number one, D that are under six feet tall. So I got a, I got to shout my own name out for that one. But also the article you sent us where there's an article about this. Stolen valor. Somebody in an HL.com or an article is about the long big D Vegas has the Vegas has the second tallest team in the NHL. Where do you guys think Colorado ranks mid back? They're, they're, they're pretty big. 23 small guys is a con and who are, what are their tiny guys? Do they actually know Nelson's big? Are you talking about D boys? They ranked 31st in the NHL in terms of height behind them. Minister of the wild fraud squad. Wait, are you talking dear to the whole team, the whole team, height of the whole team? Because they're, they're on that subject to all the Minnesota fans coming at me, calling Colorado a fraud squad. They wiped Minnesota out in five games. So if Colorado's a fraud squad, I don't know what that makes you guys. Well, maybe that's them silently agreeing with you, but also saying, listen, we're not the only frauds in the central. What's the, what's the average average height of their team? Six one. The average height of the Vegas Golden Knights is six two with a average weight of 201 pounds while the Colorado avalanche height is six foot six one with an average weight of 194 pounds. It doesn't seem like a lot when you read it off, but then you go through battle in a series every other night and you get worn down, worn down. And man, even we didn't even mention that Cole Smith from Nashville, like this guy's running around. He scores a big, he scores the winning goal in the series clinching game. It's like, I think he was getting close to being benched because he took another minor penalty. They, they, they, they pan the torts at one time. He was furious. The first time I seen torts upset since he got there, but he stuck with him and he got the game winner. Yeah, that game winner, that game winner was a, is it the word microcosm, microcosm of how Vegas can play like it was, it was hurdle who gets the puck in kind of makes a good individual play then ends up getting a deep, then Dow goes in on the four check buzzing around. Then he makes an unreal pass up top to Coglin. And he gets a shot on the net and boom, series over. It's just like how they played all series long. Final fear leader. I play with Mike Cameron. He told me it's the best line. I told Bizz. I wanted him to, he could have used it yesterday on the, on the panel. First and second line get into the playoffs. Third and fourth line when you the Stanley Cup. So if you're looking at all these teams, so all the big goals are coming from those third and fourth lines in the big moments. And we have, we're lucky enough, Bruce Cassies and me drawing us in a minute, but I do think we have actually torts is, we have to quickly mention the comments, you know, I wouldn't say surprising, but I was taken aback when Mariner mentioned like, I have been through some dark days in my hockey career. And of course, Maple E's fans that business been carving like the people that are just so bitter, they made a big thing out of that. Oh, making 11 million and playing golf and fucking Royal St. George over the courses that he was playing after they lost tough life. But obviously it was pretty evident that he was going through some tough times at the end of those playoff failures and taking a lot of the heat biz. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like once again, like the, the, the idiots online are going to take that and run. All he's doing is giving you his experience and what he's been through and saying he's on the other side of it. So like anybody who can't just be happy for the guy at this point, like he moved on, right? It didn't work out. Like he was probably just disappointed as any one of the fact that he couldn't deliver in his hometown. And I'm not saying that in a sense of like, it was all on him. I think that there was probably some, some key moments he wished he could have elevated his play. But hey, man, he went over to a team, a better team, right? He thought that this is a better situation for me where I'm not going to get scrutinized and and take the brunt of all the blame when things don't go right. And you know, when maybe it isn't his turn to step up, there's going to be other guys in line up who do. And that's that's proven true, right? Like they got an unbelievable squad. He made the right move. And and let's not forget in times of need in the first two rounds, like he was the go-to guy when they needed a play to be made. And they needed a game breaker. He did it. And yeah, I mean, he deserves all the credit in the world. And we talked about it coming in. I think that it's really between Carter, Hart, Mitch Marner and Jack Eichel right now is as far as who's going to win the big hardware. And I would imagine that it's going to be between between Jack and him. Now going back to what we were saying earlier about Jack too, like I think most people discovered how good he was and what he could bring the first time they won it. I think people thought he should probably won the cons, Mike. That trip to the finals as well. Marjoso had a, had a fucking horseshoe up his ass. He was scoring everything that he touched. So that was the reason he took it. But yeah, I would say that at this point, man, Jack Eichel is, I mean, he's a bonafire. He's all a famer automatically, right? Yeah. It'll end up that way. But this will put the stamp approval on it. Do you think for Marner, it was more like the beginning of his career, he was such like a joyful player having fun out there in the ice. And then his, by the end of his tenure in Toronto, just looked like the fun had gotten taken away from him. And now you see it, like he's having fun. You see him after the game when they went, obviously they're going on to the finals. But you just see that smile on his face. And like, I just feel like that's when he's at his best, when he's having fun. And he's, you know, he's not feeling the pressure. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess you'd have to, we'd have to sit down and interview him to know what he was going through and what he was thinking in his last, like probably the last, I think it was like the, we always go back to the stats, like 2019 till, till last year, through 18 game five through sevens, no goals, six assists, right? So there was obviously, probably a weight like that that was weighing on him. And then when he didn't deliver in those situations, the team didn't either. The fucking, yeah, the media came down on all the guys making all the money. Now, do I think that they made their situation easy by fucking bending the team over and not even signing a full 18, eight year deal? Like I think that you put a little bit of a target on your back. Like we just talked about Jack. Like there are differences between both environments, right? You had a team who you had their top players not willing to take hometown discounts where now all of a sudden you're in a place like Vegas and they are. Like Jack Eichel had already won a cup, but he's willing to take a hometown discount. He's making the same, he's going to be making the same on his big long term deal as Matthew's just gone on a four year bridge. So it's just that there's, there's, there's differences on the teams and ultimately to go back to your, to your, your question is like he's just, he just seems way happier and it's a better environment for him. And he's out of the media circus. Guys, I'm going to hop off here for the Bruce Cassidy interview. But I just wanted to ask you guys, like, did you guys ask for permission from Vegas for this interview? Bismite of this permission. I never thought about that. I know that they're going to be hidden us with a fine for sure. All right, go on. Before we get to Bruce, we got two quick ads. You know, thank you. We'll see you in a couple of minutes, Mark. First, Ruzziette, you guys ever get a limp stick? And I'm not talking about on the ice. Ruzziette ready is a custom compounded three in one, ED treatment designed to get your brain and body back in action. Disolves under your tongue. No pills or water needed. Works in 15 minutes on average. Showed out my vacation. 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Like I was a guy traded from a team of one in the Stanley Cup. You want a cup with Vegas. You're not there anymore. Is it hard to watch? Are you watching all the games? Like take us through you mentally seeing what they're doing right now. Well, I've seen enough of them. I don't see them all. Some of them just because they're on later here, but they found their game getting contributions from everybody. Obviously the goal tender made a big difference when he got healthy and got into the line up there. It's kind of solidified that position for them. So Carlson getting him back. He's a real underrated player. I think it's helped them a lot. You can check anybody in the league and show it against some pretty good players who call Arad on Anaheim. So they've been there before. I mean, they know what it looks like. Torches have been there before. He knows what it looks like. So they've got that going for them as well. We're a we're a minor glazing podcast now. And when you were the head coach there, because of the Carlson injury, injury, you put them at center, second mind center, most of the year. So like how, how, like, how good is he as far as like a Swiss Army knife and where you could put him and what he's able to play as far as penalty kill, power play and touch so many areas of the ice. And at what point did you go to him to ask him, Hey, can you, can you handle this for the season? Well, it's when Carly got hurt. It was kind of jack and hurdle. We still had sizzards and then he got hurt. So now we're down to two guys. He bring a guy up, but, you know, we had to find a replacement internally. So I actually used Riley Smith for a few games and then I talked to Mitch about it. You know, he plays the game offensively like a center, right? He's a guy that he's a transporter of the puck through the neutral zone. He needs it on his stick in the old zone to make his plays. So certainly plays that way with the puck without the puck was going to be trial and error, but busy. He's unbelievably gifted defensively with a stick as brain. He's above people all the time. The challenge was face offs. That's it, right? So we would use different guys to help him on the wing with that. But even that, you know, he wanted to go digging on and he worked on it after practice. He, you know, it takes a lot of pride in everything he does. So I'm happy for him. I mean, I heard you guys. He had a tough go in their Toronto. I was out west for a lot of it. I saw him early on in his career when I was in Boston. We beat him in a seven game series. I thought he was their best player in the playoffs. So I've seen him be good that time of year, but right now he's, you said, he's having a lot of fun out there. He's got other people around him. If he has a bad couple, like not bad, but he's not producing for a couple of games. It's not the end of the world in Vegas where Toronto probably gets scrutinized a lot more. You mentioned Carter Hart quickly and, you know, as a guy that I played with him, I'm super happy for him. And, you know, just with how competitive he is, how smart of a goal tender he is. Like, how happy are you for him? What did you see from him? But also, can you touch on Sean Burke and what he means to the goal tenders there? He and Biz had him in Phoenix and just an outstanding, you know, just a communicator with the goal tenders and defense and the other coaches, like, maybe touch on those two guys a little bit. Yeah. With Burke, he puts a lot of work into it, right? He knows the position well. I mean, he played 17 years in a league. So he certainly knows the ups and downs the everyday mental aspect of it. And that's something his head coach is having not played that position is pretty unique. So you need that or your goal tender coach and he's excellent at that. He did a great job with with Aiden Hill, who the year we won the cup, Aiden came over from Arizona. So that was Burke's guy and identified him. He likes that style of goal tender with, with heart coming in and being, being hurt. I think he missed a total of 12 weeks and probably tougher on Sean to get to know his game style. Without seeing him for a while, but easier to get to know him as a person, right? You're working with him every day one on one. So he had that advantage. But Carter, like I said, he, the first, when he first played for us earlier in the year, I remember he hadn't played in two years, right? So we knew there'd be some rust. He got injured against Columbus and it set him back for a long time. And even his recovery didn't come along as quickly as we've hoped. So we weren't sure when he'd get back and he, you know, happened to get back. I think it's a second game after I got let go, but he's really helped that team. He's, he's proven he can play in the league towards Adam. I think that relationship, he ends is probably really important for him too. So, you know, it all kind of came together for him a little later than he had hoped, but it came together in the end and you're seeing it now. Brett Hauden's a guy that it seems like he's kind of built for the playoffs. He had over 20 goals last year in the regular season, but he was great when you guys want it. And then now he's got 10 goals through what, 16 games so far. What is it about his game that translates so well to the, to the postseason? I mean, obviously there's speed, but it seems like it just, it goes up a level for him when the playoffs start. Well, he's a straight line player with and goes to the net, playoff type goals, right? He's not afraid to get inside. He's not a guy that's going to curl up and look for late people. He's going to get the puck to whoever's playing center with him. And the year we won, it was Chandler Stevenson and Mark Stone. He just go to the back post, go to the top of the crease and he scored a lot of goals that way. He'll get behind people because of his speed, so he'll crack down the wing every once in a while, get a goal that way, but it's usually getting open in the dirty areas. He's a great kid. He can play center, he plays left wing. We never used him on the power play and he probably could on other teams, but didn't complain. And, you know, just one of those real solid middle lineup guys that, that you need to score goals this time. And here he seems to have it. I remember there was a run. I think it was Anaheim years ago. It was Travis Moan. I coached a long time ago. Yeah. You know, that type of guy would score, you know, 10 during the year, but eight in the playoffs because he just went to the crease and deflected pox and got rebounds and, and, and how he's got a little bit of that and, and it's going well for him right now. The shorties, you know, a lot of those are Mitch, making high end plays, but he's still got to finish the play. He does have a good shot. So really happy for him too, like, but, you know, that's the biggest reason he doesn't mess around. He's getting inside and going where the, you know, where the pucks are going to end up and getting to receive this. What was it like playing for like a management staff where like, you knew at any point they were going to try to make a move to make the team better? Like obviously halfway through the year, you saw them get Anderson, I think it was the year prior, maybe just the year before that where they get hand offense. So they're constantly pushing their chips in and, and getting these big, these big guys to come in and, and help the team out like, are they consulting you on these moves? Like, are they going to you or you guys round table in quite a bit? Yeah. Yeah. Well, hurdle was a year before and it was barbush of the first year, which was kind of under the radar move that, you know, was the final piece for us the year we won. I mean, you'd fit in really well with Ikele and Marshall. So, uh, yes, it's not so much a name's business like, where do you see the line up? Where do we need help, right? So you start with that. Well, maybe we need another puck mover back there that, that's, you know, got good feet. So that's where the handoff and probably came in and, um, and then Anderson, when Petro, uh, Petro's injury hasn't allowed him to play. So we're like, how do we replace him? Could we do it internally or, you know, will we look around and I think Anderson was on the radar for a while. At least that was being discussed in the media, I think even the year before. But, um, so it's not always a name. It's more like where, where, where we deficient, where can we, we upgrade and then as you get closer names, they'll come up just, just in case you have a previous history with them, right? They, they want to know that Jeremy Lowe's on when they did trade before I coach him in Boston, uh, had, has a young player back there. So, you know, those things can be relevant when you're sort of getting to the finish line in those deals. Bruce, you had a Patrice Bergeron, who, you know, the selky award should probably be named after him. But, and then you got a guy like Jack Eichel who grew up in Boston, probably watched a ton of Patrice Bergeron. But just the way he plays defensively doesn't treat the game with how good offensively is. Like, what do you see about his game that just makes him such a good 200 foot player? Yeah. Well, I think he, he wanted to have some of Berger's attributes in his game and, um, you know, it's hard if you're not in the playoffs to build that kind of reputation, right? So I think, and he probably had it in the back of his mind and got more of an opportunity in Vegas. And, you know, we met on the Cape here, uh, when I signed with Vegas and, and I met with Jack, uh, in July, I think it was on a way to a wedding and chat or something and I grabbed him for half an hour and we kind of talked that through what, you know, what do you need for me? And here's what I'd like you to look like. And it was more about, hey, I know you can bring it off. And so you're going to run our power play, but, you know, 200 foot player, Jack, or your ability to skate and you're a hockey IQ. I mean, you'll be a Hall of Famer if you get that down right. There's no doubt in my mind he will be and he has gotten it right. He used it in the Olympics, unbelievably, you know, against us. I know in the final game, uh, he used it that playoff series against McDavid. They had a great, great series back and forth and, and he's doing it again. Um, so that that's what Jack's all about. He takes care of his body. He's a pro, um, great guy is going to be a, you know, a dad soon. So I am happy for Jack. He's really turned the corner when it looked like, you know, with the Buffalo, the neck injury and all that. It wasn't sure where it would be. land and and he's you know he's their guy there he's a guy that leads that team him and Mark Stone and he's done a unbelievable job there. So the way it all went down Bruce obviously I imagine very difficult for you and then the one part is you're fired and the entire hockey world saying while he's gonna have a job in 10 minutes right like that that speaks about you and your career and then the news breaks where you're not allowed to talk to certain teams and then you know my squad Edmonton I think they plan oh Mark we can get Cassidy take us through your thoughts in terms of not being allowed to talk to certain teams right now like does that upset you or is that part of the business like where are you at in terms of your next gig? No it's upsetting I'm gonna be honest because once you're fired you know your contracts basically terminated but the one thing people don't realize is all the deals you know they got the NHL bylaws this and that and I don't know everyone but you know you have non-compete clauses so I can't resign today and and go work for someone tomorrow I'm still I can't work until Vegas gives me permission until this contract's up which is at the end of the next season so you know if you resign all I do is not get paid so I mean you know I get you can't you can't just throw that up. I did I said can't you just forfeit your salary and say hey like I don't need your money I want to get I want to get the bag from somebody else. It's not right that they can let you to me it's not right they can let you go and then still stop you from working that's where the bylaws are probably messed up a little bit. Yeah and like I said I'm not those are in I think everybody's contracts so that's is what it is and but you can't do that and I think they do that probably because they wouldn't want to coach in the middle of the year to resign on February 1st and go work up the street on February 3rd right because they like a better situation. I'm sure that's kind of why some of these things are written in but in this case yes there was two teams that asked it's public knowledge now and I would like to talk to them. I want to go to work. I'm a hockey coach as much as I love being around visit TNT. I'll be back to work and I got to tell you you want to listen to him chew a loud. How many fucking steaks is this guy going to eat? I got to tell you they were they were great to make me feel like part of the team. I had a good time doing that so thanks again I wanted to give you guys a show to do a great job. He put me in concussion protocol off you did that power play breakdown. So anyway that's where it's landed right now. I don't know if there'll be clarity on it. There hasn't been yet we keep asking to see if we can you know get on with my coaching career but right now it's a little bit in limbo. Listen Vegas isn't a playoff series I understood that but I still think they could take some time and sort through it and hopefully they do. If they don't well I guess I wait it out until I can find a resolution. Yeah I don't find that fun being on the other side of a cutthroat organization now. Is it worse? I don't find it. Hey do you think that this is you know how like sometimes in leagues things have to happen to be like oh it's evident we need like a rule change here. Do you think this will force agents moving forward where there will be clauses where if the team were to fire you that that would be a clause where okay now you're able to go talk to whoever you want and have the option to forfeit that money because you just said like obviously if you were like oh January one I'm going to just say hey peace I resign and go work somewhere else well obviously that's not going to be something that they'd hand over but the latter the other thing of getting fired you should be able to. Yeah you know listen I'm not good enough to coach your Vegas gold Knights but I'm you know what to give a coach to coach you know a team that asks like you know that that's the part that sort of bothers you but would you would you ask to put that in your contract? I think other coaches well that are up now too might say listen if I'm terminated I have the right to go seek employment anywhere in the league any one of the 31 teams and I still try to put it in why wouldn't they after you know like that's usually necessity is a mother invention whatever that's saying is is you know probably why some some coaches will look to do that and whether the teams sort of allow that I don't know that's another question but I don't I would I would ask what next time I would go through this as the team ever done this to another coach not to a head coach you know what happens a lot and as teams will call and ask for permission to talk to maybe your head coach in the American league to become assistant in your organization that happens all the time and teams don't want to lose an asset because they haven't fired them right there are under contract they want to keep them some teams will let a guy go in that situation a lot won't usually if you ask for well look at Edmonton did they ask the Rangers for permission to talk to now block he was in Hartford they granted it so that part of it does happen you know if a guy has a chance to be head coach in the NHL so I think it's a different different situation was no and not after a guy has been fired I mean the the ironic part is you know Vegas had to get permission from Philly to hire torches so you know like so if it happens it happens a lot those fucking guys anyway now because you were so close with these guys is it a situation where like maybe you shoot them attacks and you're like boys come on air can't be fucking I want to coach yeah yeah well I mean I've talked to Kelly McCormick listen we had a good relationship with George and and Bill Foley I mean there was never then never anything adversarial all we all want to cup together so that's not the issue they've just decided they don't want me working in certain places and you know I've got to sort of try to figure out a way to allow me to do that so I have to do well don't fire me if you don't want me somewhere else well you know that's honestly I wish it was that easy because then I you know I could get you know listen you're watching the team you coach for 74 games go to the final you're kind of going geez you know what did I need to do better and you go through it in your head right because that could be you know that's what you play coach and play for right to get your name in the cup at half and once I'd love to do it again so that part is a challenge and then to not be able to go and sort of say okay I'm going to do things better my next stop and get on with that that that's kind of a double whammy right now that's when I think when we'd ask me earlier that's the part that gets you know frustrating is like I'd just like to get on with coaching get it sorted out figure out where I'm going to be I mean I got a couple of kids in high school they're doing great but you know you got to sort of figure out your family plan too a little bit so but at the end of the day then there's a side of it well I am getting paid a lot of money to do nothing so that's the good part I would rather I'd rather be working beyond and so that's that's where it's landed and hopefully it gets resolved we'll see well we're normally a players podcast where maybe we've become a coaches pod and we go to bat for them and maybe do like a little protest that would be the final we'll run the union we'll run the union the coaches union I didn't even know that union existed when I started when this happened yeah we have an association right so it's it's it's you know they do a good job for all the coaches to get together and sort of spitball ideas and you know get you know if you don't have an agent compare salaries you know Lindsay's done a really good job running it and you know the coaches are involved in the board and we'll meet with the league at times to help but we give our opinion on you know the odd rule change and whatnot but I think it's more for the younger guys to to get some knowledge be around the older guys here to and maybe you know learn a few things and you're if you aren't to go shake your own deals and stuff such but I mean it was good that they're standing behind one of their coaches I appreciate that but I you know I think at the end of the day I've just got to find a way to to get to Vegas and and see if they'll you know let me go do you think it's something that after the playoffs then there's a better chance of it happen or for them it's like yeah I would think so just the fact that I respect that they're busy focusing on winning a cup I get that I don't on the other hand I think you know they're a well-run organization I think they could take the time to do a couple things at once but that's kind of the answer I've been given a little bit so I have to respect that like I said I I worked for those guys for almost four years and and had a lot a ton of respect for them I hope you know and ends up getting resolved simple as that um we we case we talk sometimes on the podcast about what's going on and like what we think and what we hear and and like we've talked about it before like obviously you're an incredible coach but sometimes maybe like the I guess the word is is you can get a little down on the players would you say that that is maybe one of the things that you would would have changed a little bit like maybe you know maybe a little bit more towards the player coach side of it where you're you're not as hard on guys is that is that a fair is that a fair assessment yeah and I think um you know there's always truth that like I'm an intense guy so sometimes I'll challenge guys to be better and how I message sometimes I'll go okay you need to do a better job of that maybe that has to be one on one sometimes you're doing in video because you know so if you're pointing out you know Jack Ikel not stopping and starting then that you know usually the left another guy I'll say I'll be he's gonna go after that guy he's gonna you know he's gonna come after me next there's a little bit of you know solidifying what you want in your group uh but how you message I think is important every year I try to take something away from that and be uh I guess kind learn gentler but at the end of the day this year I look back and we had a tough march um you know and and we were finding ways to lose instead of win so I probably should have brought more joy into the locker room and a little more fun than saying hey let's tighten this up um but that's a little bit kind of my style take care of details and that can wear on guys for sure so yes um I can see that happen but you know then sometimes they'll say well he's a short I mean I was in Boston six years and coach some some future hall of famous and you know we found ways to win and Vegas was almost four was I was you know so there's certain part of it that certainly works I think is that I don't want to change. there's other parts that I got to recognize that you know and it's not even players nowadays like you know no one wanted to get you know sort of have a coach on them all the time. I don't care what age you were whether you're you know in the ends and you're playing a long time ago Biz Wit you still want to be able to communicate well with players and allow them to have fun coming to the ring. I think we did that. We just in March it got away from us a little bit and I should have reeled it in better and found a way to get the guys to feel better both themselves that didn't happen. So that's what I'll look back on and make sure I don't make that mistake again. When you were going through that like do you feel it kind of like slipping through your fingers or were you not even thinking about that you're like no I'm just focused on getting this group turned around like did you feel because maybe it is the organization that it is you're always walking on eggshells where a coaching change was even a possibility. Well yeah I think when you we weren't winning enough you start thinking about I got it and we've got to get a couple wins here to calm everything down and then you know the one slips away you lose the chuteau you lose no over time so I think it can certainly wear on you've got to fight that urge and just make sure the guys are feeling good about themselves but yeah I think it goes through your head especially the year we had it was up and down. Expectations are high in Vegas as you said they make a deal every year at the deadline to win. It's one of the reasons I went there. I thought they had a great chance to win and I'd like that to be my next opportunity I'd like a chance to win and take the pressure that goes along with it in the expectations. I don't have a problem with that at all because you know you don't want to coach a team we're out it's okay to lose you know we're building I think there's certain times in your career as a coach you can do that I just don't feel you know that I'm at that place right now I'd rather have the chance to win I can't always pick and choose I understand that but so that part of it yes I think there is a little bit in the back of your mind but it's not something that affects your everyday work I don't think it can I don't think you can carry that around with you and to be a good coach if you're worried about you know your your job security every day. Yeah and that's one thing where we've seen so many coaches be fired so quickly right like you see guys they're not even reaching their extensions some of these coaches and then for you it we talked to earlier about Vegas throughout the playoffs like it's just kind of been goal-tending obviously there's other things it calls it comes back and hurdles scoring along now but throughout the year there was there wasn't much goal-tending so for you it's like all right well if if that was just kind of average we wouldn't be in this situation I imagine as a coach you're looking at both sides seeing what you could do different and also stuff that just wasn't working and that maybe wasn't necessarily on you is that true? Well listen I you can go to our analytics that you know if you're an analytics guy or not some guys take a lot out with some don't we we're very good in every year like our special teams are both top five top ten you know what scoring should whatever it is expect the goals for expect the goals against they're all good metrics so I thought the team was planned performing well most nights we were just you know we didn't get the timely goal or the timely saves not all on the goal we weren't scoring certain nights either right our shooting percentage and our and our safe percentage I think was last in the league to have some static forget the fancy name for it but so obviously that buck lock is a little bit to do with that and that's gonna happen from from year to year but I thought we honestly would we'd get through it and then you know stabilize that position at the end and Carter Hart's done that for the team and you know good for the team you need it you're not winning without a good guy back there that gives you confidence and certainly not in the playoffs he's gotten better and better he was a good goal in this league in Philly so we knew it was in there and that's why you know Kelly wanted to sign them because he knew when he he was capable of we just had to get the reps going again and unfortunately had an injury in the middle of the year where we couldn't use him and crunch time and he got healthy late and found his game so that that can you know give a good team a lot of confidence and I think Vegas is a good team so there's that part of the makes you feel good that I'd say hey my fingerprints are on this team in certain areas it's just torches getting have all the fun now so he's got them you know he's got them feeling good about themselves and that was his job coming in he's done it well he took the dog dude in there Bruce you you mentioned uh you you'd you'd like to step into a team that's ready now you want that pressure like what would be the dream job for you right now gargoyles Greensboro gargoyles in the ECHL we could use some that's our team that finished last place when you get the first overall pick man is there even a perhaps I don't know I don't even think we traded it we'll get this wouldn't even let us talk though yeah I listen that's hard to say I mean Edmonton's open right now they got two two of the best players in the planet they've been close so they know what it looks like LA I think DJ I'm not sure what's going on it's you know they've got a franchise that's one cups Toronto's looking I mean you know interesting to see what'll happen there with you know some newness around their you know their GM and president they got the first overall pick what direction do they want to go I think you know those are some of the questions those middle teams ask themselves right so some of those would need to be you'd want to get answers if they had interest in this so so obviously you know I don't know which one I just like to be able to talk to the teams that have asked and start with that you never want to see a coach get fired and we love bednard but if Colorado happened to fire bednard that would be a nice place to slide into yeah I mean they've got a you know great team there too obviously they showed that this year they've been knocking on the door for years I like beds he's the great guy's done at that he's done a terrific job but especially with their top end guys to keep me performing every year they really has they just for whatever reason against Vegas they just couldn't find another gear and Vegas did and sure everyone's surprised by that not so much at Vegas one but I think that it was a sweep right as it Colorado didn't they never seem to get any traction there so I'm sure they'll look at why and some of its simple as injuries right some of their top guys I don't know if they're 100% and sometimes that's all it takes to get an edge but yeah I mean I understand the firing I mean I've got a job way back then because a good man got fired in front of me right that's kind of the way it works we know that part of the business that's kind of what you sign up for and yeah that's it on that front did you ever think that like the the coaches salaries just the way the NHL is now would ever get to the place it is like looking back when maybe when you retired even just starting to get into coaching like it's kind of gone crazy you know listen I made 39,000 to go to these coaching Jacksonville Florida my first kick so you know I I I went into with my eyes open see where it lead me and had a lot of ups and downs and it's worked out well but I think Mike Babcock drove that with Toronto long time ago he signed there he signed to cut more term and more money I think than anybody ever had so that's started the process so you have to thank Toronto and Babs for that to sort of push it back you know you know they're he he did get a you know and Sully just got went in New York that you know drove it up a little bit so there's usually guys out there that have to push for it we always try to help each other because the young guy behind me he'll be in this position a few years down the road and we wouldn't want to set him back but I I think it's it's it's a good thing because I mean I'm in this industry so I'm glad they went up but I probably do it anyway whatever the market asked for but yeah that's how it's played out and I still think we're well behind the other sports in general but so are the players right when it comes to basketball and football so hopefully it goes up for everybody you're seeing that with the players the caps made a nice jump here in the next three or four years and hopefully the the revenues keep growing so everybody benefits I appreciate you coming on Bruce I know you're the man and I I respect your honesty you're hard on your players you're honesty and kind of sticking up for yourself a little bit like I want a coach and I think that's what most people are thinking as well like all right you fired him and also to be fair the my favorite coaches I ever had were the ones that were the most hard on me too like I talk about Mike Stothers all the time too and it's you know it's tough love and that's what drives people to be better and I hope I hope I didn't piss you off with that question earlier. No listen I don't think I'm disrespectful to the players do I challenge him sometimes too much maybe pick a better way of course you're always looking at that but I got a ton of respect for every one in the room including the Vegas guys I mean they're a great group of guys good family guys is a whole bunch of young kids in that locker room that you know it'd be great you know on Sundays we're able to bring a man and get them together I mean I love that part of the game so you try to you know you know make sure that you have relationships with them and I just got to try harder. And in the MLB if you play one game or coach one game for a team you end up getting a ring like is that stupid to think about if they win it like you get any like you get do you get a ring? I doubt it. That's a good question but I mean you go the whole year and all the fucking the doldrums of the year and then yeah no bonus did you have a bonus for a couple yeah but those are those get eliminated. They shouldn't get eliminated if they don't let each other team every which way they got you right now we need to join the coaches union boys. Yeah all right Bruce play well today and we appreciate you coming on. All right thanks again guys. That's awesome you know hearing from a coach and what he actually thinks right now that's that's pretty cool to hear and I get it I do and when he says they they're playing right now when I said I don't buy it you literally go okay you could talk it's not like it's you got to fly everyone somewhere in figure it out. So that's Vegas though, biz. They are not cutthroat. They are the best I would be sick to interview Pinkie and then brain together. Oh, yeah, they'd have us in a blender. They'd have us fighting each other somehow. We would do it in a UFC ring in Vegas at the headquarters. All right, let's bring murals back in. I know, biz, you got to run in a couple minutes. Yeah, I'm leaving, boys. So any final thoughts on what you've seen so far before you go? Just yeah, like I just, you know, once you all looks defeated, boys, they're gassed. Like there's nothing to be disappointed. What an incredible season way ahead of schedule. Like obviously, they're going to have to address some needs and, you know, you, I don't want to say get exposed, but Caroline has been working at this for eight years, boys. They've faced all their adversity. They've gone through the shit with getting swept and getting embarrassed in the Eastern Conference finals. They did so in game one. They didn't even practice the next day. They had a video session. They said, boys, let's recalibrate our brains. We've been here. We've done this. We've worked towards this. We're not going to squander this opportunity. Let's fucking get back to what we're good at and what we do best. And they've done that the last three games. Like the, I think it's a record as far as limited shots through a three game span in an Eastern Conference Final. I think they allowed 12 shots on goal in games two, three and four in the third period and over time, like total. That's fucking insane. So four lines, six D, spreading out the ice, smothering four check, neutral zone, giving them no areas to breathe. And obviously with a lack of amount of gas, a lot of self-inflicted pain for the Montreal Canadians too, where Dolvish has had to be incredible to even somewhat keep a minute. Finally, the floodgates opened in game in game four there. So I think this series ends in five games. And I think that'll be very important for Carolina to keep that energy that they've been able to store up with how quickly they've made work of other teams because they're going to be going up a more superior team in my opinion and Vegas. That's not taking anything away from them. Obviously, they still need to get through this series, but nothing for Montreal to be disappointed and not proud about, but this is just the team that's ready. And biz, like, let's not forget, Montreal is the second youngest team in the NFL. Besides Chicago by about point, whatever, five, three percent. They're set up for the future. They're a team that's, I think, ahead of the schedule, they were even ahead of schedule last year, even making playoffs. So, I mean, obviously, the series isn't over. Anything could happen. But what we've seen in the last couple games is just, you know, a team like Carolina just outclassing another team, like, they're playing so well. And you got to give a lot of credit to Freddie Anderson. I know you guys talked about on the broadcast, like, just being able to stay focused, stay mentally sharp in those games where you're not getting a lot of rubber sometimes in a period, not getting any shots. And then boom, you got to make a big save because, you know, they have guys that are making good plays. Guys with great shots. So yeah, this Carolina team, man, like, I know how much I've been down on them. Don't love watching them, but fuck, man, they are built to win and they're doing a hell of a job from top to bottom in that group. I've never, I've never seen a home team be dominated that much on home ice in my entire life. They couldn't, they couldn't get a shot through. They could string a few passes together. Just sheer dominance from Carolina in a game where it was like, it had to be a statement game. It had to be a game where why would you let Montreal back in the series to go things tied back to Carolina? And they just the minute the puck dropped, the trust that Rod has in the fourth line, they are a well, well, well machine. And with that said, boys, you guys could snap it around with Justin Williams, Mr. Game 7. I love you boys. And, all right, buddy. I will see you next podcast. Safe travels. We'll see you on Monday. Bitch, send me that link. I love how biz started his rant with the Martin St. Louis like this. Like he was like, oh my god. And honestly, I looked at, you know, we make fun of the win a meter or deserve to win a meter. I saw it was 6% Montreal. I was like, no, like I thought I was like, we're looking at a 0.1% type thing here because like he said, that game, it was, I was like, this is, they can't even get into the zone. Like let alone get like cycling in the zone, they couldn't even get in. So we're going to bring on Justin Williams, Mr. Game 7. What a nickname once again. Before we bring him on, we got to talk about Stella Blue. Stella Blue coffee is more than just great coffee. It's coffee that gives back. That's why we started. We brewed a rescue a nationwide campaign using proceeds from our new ready to drink cans to fund 1000 pet adoptions this year. Simple as that made with a 100% Colombian coffee. 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Yep, I think that's true. I also think that I got up I got up to use the bathroom quick was business talking. I don't really fault Montreal. It's like they're just they're outclassed and I think there'll be a time based on Montreal and their youth that there's there may be an Easter call for its final and they're outclass in a team. But the Carolina is a better bigger deeper team, right? And yeah, you missed my you missed my intro. Like I was trying to set you up with the intro there when I finished with the team that played two game sevens. Yeah, Mr. Game seven. I already said Mr. Game seven, but I'm sorry. You're right. Bring him in. Bring him in. Bring him in. She's bringing the guy in here. Let's go. There he is. Can't make this guy sit in the background on us. Come on. What's up? Really? What's up? What's up, fellas? Not much, but what was your thought watching that game? Kind of a dream scenario for your squad. Really just foot on the gas from the opening puck drop to the very end. The third period was when I was like, all right, are they going to muster up anything? And I don't know if they got a shot for 15 minutes. So as you're watching that, that's what I'm guessing is the canes hockey that you've kind of seen and be accustomed to seeing this year. Yeah, for sure. I was actually wasn't at the game. I'm here at my my parents house right now. I'm in Coburg, Ontario. So watching that game, I was watching here in the basement with a couple of my buddies, my mom, a couple of her friends. So we were we have that we have that Bud Light. You guys remember the Bud Light light that go off when when the team scores. I have it still. His vision is to have a bunch of them. So my parents have one in the basement here and it's awesome. It lights up the whole basement, but it goes off sometimes before we score. So, you know, we might be behind a little bit and the horn goes off and like, oh man, we just scored. So it kind of ruins it sometimes, but that's where I was yesterday. Sorry, when I went on, I didn't even answer your question. No, no, no, you're I mean, that's that is the answer in the question, basically. The red light was on and it came on three times and about three minutes. It felt like at the end of the first. So I have a bunch of questions about this team for you. But my number one thought watching last night and and Wayne Gretzky was mentioning him. Kyandre Miller. Oh, I guess he's one of those guys that like Rangers fans a little left to be desired like they expected more. And then you're like, Oh, put him in Carolina system though. And it's just fit perfectly. And he's so big. He skates like the wind and he's I mean, I think he's been the best defenseman on the team in the playoffs. So it's the same one like Brady Shay went over from New York to Carolina. Like those guys could just play in that system. It's it's it's it's kind of it's kind of great when you don't know who your best defenseman is. It's kind of a real kind of a really good thing, right. You have Slaven out there on the you know, big six foot four, six foot five guy on the left side. And then you have Kyandre Minter, big left, left shot, six foot five guy. And on the left side again, you've got, you know, Nikischen down there, six foot, just big long guys. And just getting back to what you said about Miller. I mean, guys who can skate in our long, obviously fit anywhere, but they really fit within our system really, really well. 'Cause he's got that stick that's just kind of like a cobra that's just, you thought you think you're out of reach but he just pokes that puck away from you, keeps the puck in and keeps our momentum going and keeps a lot of puck's in. But he's less than, he's among a lot of players on our team. It's hard to nitpick when you're 11 and one and things are going well. But these guys are cruising right now and playing at a super high level, him included. - To stay on Miller, I got to ask because I know a lot of Rangers fans were worried about his commitment to the game and, you know, like being in New York, it seemed like he had a lot of distractions. And has it changed since he got traded? I know it's happened to other guys when they get traded for the first time. I'm like, oh shit, I got to get it together here. It gets a short career. - Well, one of the really good things about Caroline is a little bit of the draw is a little bit of the anonymity. The fact that you could kind of just do your thing and, you know, if you have a couple of bad games, no one's going to be calling for your head and the newspapers on TV. You don't got to read about it online or on Twitter very much. You know, like, you could kind of just do your thing here. I think Yandre has really blossomed in that aspect that he just goes out there and does a thing, man. And he's consistently improved. That's always a feeling out process when you come to a new team, right? Just, you gotta learn a lot of stuff. The guys, your deep partner, but him and Sean Walker right now are, it's hard to say they're not our top team because we seem to have, they seem to be playing the most minutes right now. But they're, they're two and up a lot of minutes and they're keeping people to the outside. And as you can see her, the shot total is the last few games. - And big thing for Caroline it's is their fourth line. And a guy like Jordan Stahl, I was watching the game with a buddy of mine the other night. And I was trying to explain to him how fucking strong Jordan Stahl is. I'm like, you can't move this guy. He's just a farm, he's got that farm strength. But, you know, he gets a big goal the other night. He out muscles Anderson in front of the night who's another huge man. But just what he brings to that team, winning face offs, like the dedication. You getting Martin Nukin on, like in on his line, causing havoc. Like what a great teammate he is, I would imagine too, right? - Oh, Jordan is the strongest player teammate I've ever played with in my life. He is, I mean, you guys know this. He is monstrous. - It's crazy. - He is a huge human. He must have taken most of the food at the Stahl House when they were younger, because I don't know. He's, he's, Eric was thin. - Yeah. - Right. - He's a little thinner. - Mark too, yeah. - Yeah, and Mark too. But yeah, I mean, didn't he look like, I'm watching the show Vikings kind of on Netflix right now? He looked like a Viking when he scored that goal yesterday. And he was just screaming and celebration. Just like, I out muscleed you Anderson. I had my stick on the ice and I got it. And listen, I can't say enough great things about him. From the start of the playoffs, just, you know, answering the bell with Brady Kitchuk. It really, I feel like it just, it just made our team a little bit bigger, if that makes sense. - Yeah. And then we talked a lot about like bringing in like just a score. And then the rotten thing goes down last year and it doesn't work out. And then this summer, Eelers comes over, right? And he's been great, like he's so quick. And I think some people like, oh, they need a little size, but he plays like a big guy too. He's a little bit of a rad at times, he's intense. What is it meant to the team to have him come in? And also like, I think in the past, maybe his playoff performance wasn't great. And for him to be able to be on this team and play the way he does on the third line too, technically the third line. Like what have you seen from him and what the guys say about him in the room? - Yeah, I think the most important, the most important attribute you can have as a player is competitiveness. And our slider smaller guys are just super competitive. You look at Jackson Blake, Stan Cove, and you know, Eelers to some extent, he's slight, you know, aha, like Jarvis, like these guys are competitors, man. They are dogs on pucks. And I would say Eelers has slowly, slowly become one of my favorite players to watch on the ice. He is the way he's able to find ice, change speeds and find little lanes with passing lanes. It's really awesome. And really, I'm sure you guys as, you know, guys who watch hockey a lot, I think you probably agree with me just the way he's able to find lanes and just create space for him. And that's what the best players do, right? Somehow you're like, "How does he still have the puck?" And you know, there should have been a guy on him, but just the shoulders and then the changing of speeds really makes him awesome. And he's added that extra element of skill that perhaps, maybe we've been missing. - Yeah, and that even last night. - I've been, that was him who ditched it over to Ajo, right? - Yeah, unreal. - And I think he knew he was giving it to him before Gostos Bayer even gave it to him. Like it's kind of like knowing what he's gonna do before he gets it. So that, yeah, that's a good point. - But the way he got to the middle to be a threat to shoot, and like you said, he probably knew, but the puck was like in front of him. He makes that pass like just a highly, highly skill play. - Yeah. - Yeah, and I've been on it about the third and fourth lines. Like right there, ailer's in a stall. Both got goals last night, but the fourth line for you guys are starting to gain for you guys. I want to know about this Jan Kowski, and what was the thought behind like signing him mid playoffs? - Ivan Drago. - The Janker has been a huge part of our team ever since he came over from Nashville. At least he's fit and found himself a role. That's all those bottom six guys want to do, right? They want to find a team that they can find a role in, and then just keep hammering on in that role. And he's been excellent. He's been excellent for us. That line, obviously, as you know, I heard you guys talking before I got in the air. Like our depth is our advantage. We feel against any team in the league. And those guys, the way they're playing right now, they're so big, you gotta carry a down there, just out Muslim people and taking pucks to the net, just when he wants to. And Jan Kowski, you know, kind of like a swiss army knife and Robinson with his speed. I mean, it's almost like a game of keep away on the outside. And then when someone could get to the middle and they have that little lane, then they take it there and they're big enough to do that. So I can't say enough great things about that line. - Well, going to the goal-tending, Freddie Anderson. Obviously he hasn't been tested a ton, not getting a ton of shots, but like just to have that mental fortitude staying in games, being ready, making the key saves when you have to. And I got to meet him, skated with him one summer, just like an unbelievable cool dude. Like not really like the typical goalie that you see. Like he was out having beers with the boys, hanging out, and it just, I'm really happy for him, especially what happened to Toronto and stuff like that. But how much, how much credit do you give him? Just being able to stay in the net, when not seeing a lot of shots and making huge saves for the team when they need it. - Yeah, I agree with the, I guess, I shouldn't say typical goalie, but maybe goalies are a little aloof sometimes, a little maybe different, but he's, I think his personality is perfect for goal. I mean, I want a goalie to have that fire, and he had that fire, but that fire is kind of from more within. He's such a calming guy back there that you kind of, you look back and you say, okay, everything's okay. Freddie's calm, he's cool. Whether or not he's got a goal sport against him, or he's pitching a shuttle, right? And he kind of looks the same back there. Like he's just kind of moving, let's the puck hit him. And I think, as a puck move he ends, like he's really, really underrated move in the puck. He makes really smart decisions, which helps out the D a lot, that help us get the puck out of his own really quick. So I mean, listen, Freddie's, you know, you worried a little bit about the layoffs, but he's got the perfect personality for it. And you'd appreciate his golf swing too. It looks like Ernie L's, it's so smooth. I mean, it's just the long six foot four Danish swing. It looks beautiful. - I knew you'd bring it to golf somehow when talking about a great goalie. After game one, now, it wasn't like I guess it was a surprise, but they had so long of practicing in battling each other. Like it just had to be difficult. Biz mentioned, no practice the next day. Guaranteed, no panic in the room. But what were you thinking watching that? It was, was it similar to Brenda Moore? I think they got him on the bench, Shane. Like what are we doing? - Yeah. Well, I think it really, what it really does is shows you how minuscule it is when you're just a little off. Like, we were just a tiny a half second off of these plays and bunch of rules able to make plays. And since then, we've been able to get our sticks on pucks. We've been more in their face a little bit more. They've had a little bit less time to make their plays. And in turn, their turn backs and their given goals and all that stuff, it hasn't really been work in the way that they've obviously wanted it to. And we've kind of shot that down a little bit. So I think it kind of, with the layoff, it goes back to, Like you know when you're training for like pre-season, you're in the summer and you have training camp and stuff, but you finally get into a game and you're like, whoa, why am I so sore? - It's like I never trained, yeah. - Yeah, it's like you can't simulate physical contact. Like we worked extremely hard at practice. Roddy had the boys buzzing and working hard, but when there's a guy trying to hit you and take you off the puck, it's just different. It doesn't matter how hard you work, and I think that's what it was. We were just a second off and Montreal exposed us in game one. - Well, we're talking, Roddy. I have to ask this. I need to know when he made that comment, it wasn't a sweep, but it was a sweep or whatever it was. Have you guys ever asked him about that? And does he regret saying that? I think it's one of the funniest quotes of all time. - It wasn't a sweep. - It wasn't a sweep. We did loose more strength. Yeah, but I don't think he ever, I don't think he, it's kind of like a sound bite now, right? Because I feel like other teams have lose it too. If you're like, "I swear, we didn't get swept." - Yeah. - We lost four straight. It's like kind of a sound bite now. And as you guys know, we're a pretty big, not totally central. We're a pretty big analytics team. And we look at that. We don't take it to do 100%. But we're a big analytics team. We look at the numbers a lot. And you look at that series that we did loose. The one we got swept. When we look at the numbers, we're like, "Wow, how the heck did we get swept here?" It doesn't make any sense, it's not bad. You know, Bob Ross, he had like a 9.80% of what he was supposed to do. So I don't think you regret saying it, but it was pretty funny. - When you see teams that get this far, there's often times, you know, the high picks and the guys who make up the core. Like, and then there's also guys, usually at the bottom of the lineup who've been through a lot. And every team has them. And one of the guys, I think, is Martinuk. And I think back to what I think it was on waivers. Was it two or three years ago and I can't bend it. And I believe it was, you know, it was a cap type thing, but at some point he could have been picked up. And now he matters so much that that has to be a guy that you personally are happy for, right? Like, wow, this guy's kind of been through a lot and he's so important to our team now. - Yeah, he is kind of like a, I don't know the word. He's kind of like a, he's a huge heartbeat of that dressing room. There's 100% of that. I mean, he's, him and, him and Stall have played together probably like 99% of their shifts the last like five years. And it's kind of like Roddy's like safe. He's like, Jordan, Marty, get out there. You know, get this, you know, this game's going the wrong way. Go have a good shift in the office. Go kill a penalty, you know? Like, he's, he's such a huge part of our team. Just the fabric of our culture, just, you know, coming over from Phoenix. And then I actually kind of totally forgot about that. You know, it was a, you know, an issue with the cap and everything with the waivers. But, you know, we hoped he wouldn't be picked up and I was thankful that he did, that he didn't. And he's doing an unreal job. I don't know if Yanns, did you play with him? - Yeah. - And he did, right? - He was even that guy. He was young when he came up, but you could tell he was like the heartbeat of a locker room. Like, he already confident in himself. And obviously not one of the better players on any of the teams he's been on, but he's, his voice is heard in the locker room. And especially now, the way he plays, it's probably even heard way more. - Well, you look at like teams with third and fourth line issues and the guy was on waivers. It's like, obviously he fits in with Carolina, how he skates and physical, but it's just like, how did nobody grab him that, that, that, it was the end of camp, I think. - Yeah, it's a, he's a guy that like, honestly, he got better when he got to like 27, 28 years old. Like, he got better. Like, I, it was like, it was like one day at training camp, I was still there with him. I'm like, Marty, did you get faster over the summer? Like, what happened? Like, he got these little feet and he was buzzing out there. I'm like, who is this guy? And he honestly got better. He's gotten better with age and that doesn't happen all I would like to play. - Willie, we, you talked to a lot of guys. And I know from me, like, hated playing in that building. And you've played there, played against there. What makes that building that makes people hate it and so hard to play in that building against those fans and against that team? - I think you guys have, I've hated that nauseam. I've watched you guys a few times about how bad it is. - It's the worst. (laughing) - I mean, you got that wind tunnel going out and it squeezes your ass off every time you come out there. - The worst. - The worst. Listen, the room's not great, but we don't want it great. I don't want to want to make it awesome. We want to make it as good as possible without getting fine. It's exactly what we want to do there. You know, that's what we want. So it's hard and it's packed and it's real busy. And obviously the team is the main reason why it's tough to play in. - So right now, if you look up what Justin Williams is doing, he's the special assistant to the GM. And many times on the show, I've been like, look at this guy, Tulski, he's a mad scientist and his life and like patting things. It's just such an interesting story to become a GM of an NHL team. Is your role with him almost similar to like the way, like Sundine just came back with Chica? Like, I'm an analytical math guy, but I never played the game and I can lean on Justin for locker room stuff and team heartbeat stuff and things like that. - Yeah, I could be, I'm certainly a kind of like a catch all type thing. A good liaison between obviously the players and management. But I mean, the real heartbeat of that is, you know, it's Roddy's, he's, you know, the guy that talks with, you know, with us in the press box sometimes and coming up there and talking to the management and then he's, you know, got the full, you know, buy-in from the team there. But going back to Tulski, I mean, obviously he's learned a ton. Obviously not playing the game hurts a little bit, but he is himself and in our owner, Tom Donovan, they've learned so much over the years that they've been here. And the good thing with them is they take advice. Not like, no, this is the numbers, this is what it is. It's, oh, okay. Well, let's see how we can figure this out or you don't think this is right. Why do you not think this number is right? And he's smart enough to, he can change his algorithms and is, you know, the things that he builds, right? And he can be like, all right, well, how about this? Is this more accurate? Would this be a good opportunity to shoot? How many times do you think he'd score from this area? And he's been really good with obviously the management side of it and then becoming the GM. He's done a phenomenal job with us. And you could see by the players that, you know, he's been able to bring in responsible for. And Stankov and Science for 60 years, for eight years. And then Jackson Blake's five a year for eight years. Now, as a player, like when those are going down, you have to say to yourself, like, we got, I really like our deal here as a team. Like, I can't sit here and say, like, wow, these guys probably could have made more and know that, like, we have a good spot and are in a good spot with these guys making this money. When you look around the league, it's where salaries are going to somewhere. He's on the other side. Yeah, but I'm saying he still knows you still know, like, we've done a good job here. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you want players. I mean, as a player, you, I want players to make as much money as they can. I mean, I do, but you want it to fit within the structure of your own team, right? I mean, you just want it to fit. Okay, you want a slot guy. And that's kind of what it's getting harder and harder to do now with the cap going so far up. But you just want to slot guys. Okay, this guy's here. Then this guy should be here. And then you just kind of trickle it down, right? And when you see it, when you sign guys like Stankov and Blake to these extensions, obviously you're taking a risk too, but but players like it because they feel like you believe in them. And, and, you know, they're like, okay, I mean, these guys really believe in me and they want me to, you know, the player for a long time, and they see me as a big part of this team. And it's kind of, it's kind of like a loyalty thing. You're like, all right, you believe in me, I'm going to go, I'm doing it for you guys. And I kind of had that attitude when I was playing too, like, give me the longer, give me the longer term. So I know where I'm playing. I know I'm going to be part of a team. I know where my role is, as opposed to, you know, maybe trying to just, you know, squeak out a couple more mill and, and, you know, have to potentially move around, maybe go to a coach that you're not quite sure of. And I don't know. There's a lot of things that go the other way, but I certainly, those contracts look great for the team right now. But, you know, those guys aren't, they're not going to be bad for pennies inside those three leaders. But I believe in that's what's a part of these good teams is when the guys aren't, aren't making an absurd amount of money, it's, it, it brings up the team camaraderie and everything and it's like, all right, everybody's in it together. There's no one superstar. It's, it's everybody together. And those are the always the best teams at any level. Well, think about this, Willie, your three cups, did any of those teams have a guy making like an, an, an insane amount around the league? Do he was probably a high demand, right? At that time, he was, he was, he was, he was, wow, he was like eight then, maybe. Yeah. He wasn't astronomical. He wasn't the highest paid D in the league, but is that, is that, is that, is that stat still there with the 10 million dollars in no one winning this? No, because Bob, Bob, Bob, through that wrong. But he was 10. Yeah, he was 10. Yeah. Was I cool? I think I was too. Was I cool? Michael might have been, I could might have been under 10 when they won before the extension or it was 10, but, but I'm saying even in Carolina, your first title, like that, I don't Remember anyone on that team making a shit load now the salary cap was 39 million 24% rollback, you remember those days, yeah, but it is, listen, just trying to find guys that fit in the role and want the role and I mean, I think things are going to get a little bit out of whack here in the next couple of years, but you know, we'll have to adjust the way we do and, you know, everything feels great when you win a championship, so, you know, five more wins to go and the boys are doing a great job. Willie, I got one last question from you from my end, you know, your Mr. Game 7, your Mr. Clutch, like, when you're in these GM meetings, are you the guy that's like, oh, I need a pen and you're just like, yep, got it here, the wife loses the cell phone, you're like, yep, got it right here for you, you would never clutch everywhere. I don't think so, but I like that, but I'm not at the GM meetings. That's, that's Tulski job for sure. I stay away from, I stay away from those things for now. He's at old chat. I'm just snapping the ball around the corner. Hey, you know what? Exactly. With my ear pieces and just hotding or on the driving range, those guys with ear pieces. Yeah, I like that, Eric. I like that, Eric. Cut. Cut. Yeah, give him five. All right, Willie. Thank you for hopping on, dude. It's been, it's been very impressive what they've done one loss after 12 day break and we'll see if they can close it out tomorrow and then we'll be set. They have home ice if they're able to get it done and we're looking forward to it. So thank you. All right, cool. I'm sure you guys will be in in in Raleigh soon. Let's get together if you are would love to. All right, buddy. Thanks, Willie later. Yeah, I mean, last time I was down at that tailgate, we talked about, I was welcomed into the Carolina Hurricanes alumni little tailgate. They had RV because I do have my two exhibition games. You got the, yeah, exactly. You scored a goal then down after you scored a goal in preseason. Yeah, set down on the plane. Last goal. Last goal at the spectrum. Is that, yeah, last goal, a little known fact before and also, you know, I think the only guy right that played with Sid and coach by Mario. I mean, Wayne played with Sid, Mario and coach by Wayne. Yep. Only guy. I mean, what I what I've accomplished in my tiny, which the people from Minnesota love to let me know my small window size of my NHL time. Yeah, I've had a lot of people let me know what it was still made it. What it's still made it. You play one of screenshots of my elite prospects page. You play well. They're giving you that one every year. New team, buddy. Fuck you. Before we bring on R.A. Geno back in Pittsburgh, we kind of wondered what was going to happen there. Pretty cool. They dropped the video and they announced five and a half million. But I think the chance to make like eight or nine based on bonuses and all that. A million bucks if the penguins get in the playoffs. 500 grand for each round. They win 500 grand and bonuses for games played. So Geno's going to make plenty. He has made plenty. But I think pretty cool. I'm guessing that this will put to bed him playing on another team and that he'll finish his career as a Pittsburgh and I know it was just one year. Does he play another year after that? I don't know. Depends if he's as good this season as he was a next season as he was this year. But that was pretty cool to see Geno ain't going anywhere 21st season with the penguins coming up. Yeah, that's the exact structure he had with his Magnetagorce contract before he came over. Let's just have weird bonuses. It's like what is that? But he's one of those guys too that you just want to see him wear one jersey his whole career. What he's got to that organization. Kim said Latang flurry like you think of those guys. You know, they literally kept the team in Pittsburgh who is going to go to Kansas City. So I love one guy stay on one team, especially superstars like him. And yeah, the video is just typical Geno asking for more zeros. Whatever you was saying, it's so funny. He's just a great character of this game. Can I ask guys, do you guys think that for 2030 Olympics? Do you think there's any shot that he's on that? If say Russia is granted a team in the Olympics, do you think there's any shot he's on that roster goes back and plays in Russia for the next few years? 2030. I don't think I'll be throwing a good bet. And wouldn't go back and play in Russia unless it's home games only. I think I think I'll be trying to season in Russia. Yeah, we're having a nephew, nephew he Mac and eating spaghetti and ketchup. Yeah, but he might have. I don't think they look at the food they're eating as like the way we get. They're like, yes, finally, forget these American restaurants. I think Obi's come out to saying that he's going to finish his career in Russia. He's going to go play. Yeah, it'll be him. Malk and they'll be on the same line. I'll be incredible. And who knows? At that point, Rajolov's still playing over there. He won the championship. He's younger than he went in again this year. Yeah, well, broken shigs. I bring it up. Bring in our very own, Rajolov. All right. There we go. Hello, everybody. Welcome to our race world here on the spit and chick list podcast. What's up, boys? I know we've already talked about the gains. Just an absolute suffocating steamroll. But these numbers are insane. Habs, the first team in NHL history to record less than 18 shots and three consecutive playoff games. They've been outshot 136 to 65 in the four games. 43 shots on goal and 197 minutes, 35 seconds of game time over the last three games and average of 13.1 shots per 60. That's the fewest shots per 60 minutes by an NHL team over any three games being regular or postseason, since shots were first tracked in 55 56 first time they lost three straight since November 15th. Absolute buzz. Sorry. I know people talk about March. I played more a little tie, but we got to get full props to what Carolina was doing. Looking for their third post. I'm sorry. Third Stanley Cup appearance of all time and franchise history. So boys, awesome job of push Cassie. They'll wait. Great question. You have their final ball. You know, how vagus is handled in the situation. I thought you guys are great there. And it's kind of ironic. We went from getting coaches fights and getting coaches hired here on spit and chick as it looks like. Yeah, it says we might be flipping. We might do the complete heel turn and be a coaches podcast. We might never get a current player to come on ever again, but that's, well, that's our age now. All our friends are coaches. I know. No shit. All right, we were, um, it's not R.A. It's Steve Bartman. Yeah. It does look like Bartman. It's fucking identical. Moises, a Lou fucking staring at him. Was it a Felipe? Who would a Lou was now? What are you doing? Moises. That Lou. Yeah. Oh, these shit. Um, we talked a lot of Keynes and I mean, what can you say? Like Merp quickly had mentioned about Montreal. I guess the question for Montreal for me is, yeah, young, uh, Demodov is going to be incredible. Hudson's already incredible. They have two young goalies. They do have, they are smaller and merged the size guys. So they probably need a little size. Now this other Russian that's coming, who I believe is like on pace with, with, um, Demodov's numbers. Is, is a rough ski or something? Then they have, they have the WHO defenseman of the year. I can't think of his name right now. So they have crazy prospects. But in terms of playoffs and getting to the next level, maybe they're looking to get a little bigger. I mean, ghoulets pretty big on the back end. Carrier is small, Hudson's small, but that, that's, whatever. It's, it's Lane Hudson, even though in Marvel's world, that doesn't count. But I'm wondering about science for them because you see like the length on Carolina. They're not huge up front, but at least defensively they are. Bryce Pickford, WHO, Demand of the year. So that's another guy coming. Yeah, I think they've definitely all over achieved it. She had people didn't, you know, a lot of people didn't even have them to play offs. Um, yeah, the little, little smaller overall. But I think just the experience is great. I think my, uh, Maddie St. Louis put a lot of people out eating their words after, you know, from when he was high, they would, they kind of pool purity even till now. But yeah, I think they just kind of, uh, the games maybe have caught up to them. And again, Carolina, this is a buzz star of a team. They've been working like, I think, like eight years with Brenda more now. Uh, and they're finally going to hopefully break through to the finals for, for that team and that fan base. But yeah, I think the future is bright for Montreal, man. What, what they have for prospects, they certainly look like they have a number one goalie and dobush. And if you're a happy fan, you, you know, you, you got to take the season and be happy with that. I don't see how anybody can be disappointed. I know you're coming this far, but they do look like they're like a little bit spent by at the stage. When they were yelling shoot the puck, I was like, they don't even have the park. Yeah, you're supposed to shoot it. Yeah, you need bullets in the gun to defy the gun. They're not the goalies. All right. Yeah. All right. I want to talk goalies when you could just brought them up. You got their goalie for the future dobush. But they, I mean, the top goalie prospect, maybe in the world is Fowler. I know. Yeah. What are they going to do about all that? I think Fowler's their guy someday. I still think it. I agree. It's a great problem to have, right? Right? Murls, you'd rather have too many good goalies than not enough. And, you know, I think we'll probably see some more stats out of Fowler this next season, 26, 27 season. And then, you know, I think it's one of those things you just kind of deal with it as it comes. I mean, he's still unproven at the professional lab. The NHL level rather follow. But yeah, it's a good problem to have too much goal 10 and depth. Never a bad thing. I mean, well, look, look at the broans. I mean, over the last, you know, 15 years or whatever, you know, they've always seem to have a goalie in the pipeline. Whether he makes it to Boston is a different story. But yeah, it's a good, it's a good problem. I think trade one of them. I thought you said you dare trade dobush right now. Yeah, but not yet. Not yet. Not yet. I grew R.A. Like, and it's funny. It's fun. You get to ride them out there. It's hot out the hot out the flame, which was, I mean, interesting choice. He didn't have that one run where people are like, Oh, keep him. Trade carry brother. And they let it play out. It wasn't like they traded a lock right after that playoff season. So they probably should have though They would have got a lot more for them That's what I'm saying if you trade Dolvis. Yeah, but price had already played enough in the NHL We're like, yeah, this guy's incredible right now. It's a lock, but I Love Fowler and I do think he's gonna be incredible, but I know that'd be that'd be a hard one right now You're saying what you could get back for him. Yeah, absolutely. I think Dolvis stock is as high as it's ever gonna be after this Playoff run I'm interested in poetry. Jacob Fowler has won at every single level. He has ever played out He always plays good. They didn't win in college. I love I love Jacob Fowler and I think I think you go get a center of this Offseason. I think you used Dolvis goalie's are a hot commodity right now guys Yeah, I always I think they always are And all right, we're even talking about Montreal and being ahead of schedule like You got a their road to where they are right now playing Carolina was a lot harder than Carolina's they went game seven They've been into a bunch of over times like they're proven that they're it's gonna be a playoff team for a long time And I like we said earlier too they're ahead of schedule and nobody in Montreal should be disappointed in the way that this team is Performed this year and you know Carolina they haven't you know got to the final yet, but if assuming they do man I think this should be a fan it's gonna be a fantastic matchup if it isn't even Carolina Vegas like you know I see people already and it's Twitter to take it with a pound of salt not even a grain about you know the matchup and the ratings and ball It's like bro like these two teams are both buzz on their way Well again Carolina put in the car in front of the horse a little bit here But I think this is a dynamite matchup man in Carolina right now looking at the odds murals on draft kings They're minus 145 to win the cup right now Vegas plus 130 so that I mean that's how you're right now Vegas is gonna be an underdog going well funny enough. It's crazy funny enough is that I get and I think Halfway through the year I might have been Jeff on our group chat was like oh Carolina Vegas over in the playoffs Carolina Vegas probably not great for ratings People always I also said the same thing about Carolina Edmonton in 06 and it was one of the best Cup finals I I remember it went to game seven like I think Carolina Vegas will be incredible. I do wonder and I'm sorry much y'all fans like they're not winning three in a row so at some point you got to talk about this but Carolina playing Vegas that they are playing the Florida teams they lost to right that is it's as close as can So we're gonna get we're gonna get the answer because right now it's like oh auto a filly and fucking much We all they're not what you couldn't get through before in big strong mean teams and they're gonna face one so it's like Can can make if they can get by it then you can never say a bad word about Carolina ever again Obviously their cup chance, but they'll have done it by beating a team that they just could never get past before because This Vegas team in Florida last year. I don't really see much difference. Do you think Vegas is as mean as Florida? I think there is maybe not maybe not as dirty. Yeah. Yeah, they're not as dirty But they're they're fucking big and physical and like Ikel Barkhoff kind of the same and then the D you're similar and Mariner Ryan Hart Like McNabb's McNabb's a Florida panthers defense right? Yeah. Oh, yeah Hey real quick to dispel the Carolina TV ratings would suck rumor The game two of Flyers vs. Carolina had 2.3. I know, but I think that's filly It's the most it's the most watched second round game ever that can't all be from Philadelphia Yeah, you're right. You know, you're right. No 100% and I don't think we give cans fans enough credit The passion down there's incredible. I just think that It's it's the rest of the country right that is tuning in a lot I think with filly and being back in then it is the rest of the country tuning into Carolina playing Vegas We'll see when the ratings come out after but I all right. I'm with you I think it's gonna be a great series in a Carolina Carolina has been way more fun to watch in this series against Montreal than the past two series, but so I'd almost put that moron filly in Ottawa because I was down on Carolina and now I can't wait to watch them play Okay, you flipped a flip and it's a piggyback on your point sheet Like I think one of the highest rated games all playoffs was Buffalo Montreal game six the one we got Saturday night live I yeah sat on Saturday prime time rather and you know that that's a team from another country So the fact that so many people in the States watch, you know Again, not even accounting for the Canadian ratings. Yeah, I again, we obviously want high ratings But the end of the day it doesn't affect it doesn't affect us. It's I don't care at all I truly I yeah, I want high ratings But if you if you give us a great cup final, I don't care if other people aren't watching it Updated clients my thoughts Mitch minor right now plus one 65 still the chocolate Freddie plus 250 Telehall six to one stan coven plus nine fifty caught a hot all the way down to 12 to one It was 80 to one. I think two three weeks ago Blake 15 to one I call 16 to one. So how is I call it? He says second and points. I mean if he goes off, you know In the in the first they like up final and outscore as minor by a vast, you know the difference man So they're saying that right there if you said much else minus 140 right now in the cup Carolina's sorry Carolina's minus 140 to win the cup 145 if you want to bend on the cup and what is Vegas plus 130 to one so you think that that that will stay the same Or is there any part of they're still playing well? Carolina should get bigger one stage. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's what's crazy So yeah, I mean they could be like a 7889 favor to him at murals Yeah, like last night you could get Vegas to beat Carolina plus 210 because Carolina obviously wasn't in yet If you go on that now, it's you can take Vegas to beat Carolina plus 140 because they're still one game away With that that's the way you want to do it. If you're betting Vegas. Yeah, if Taylor Hall wins the cup and the cons might He's obviously already got the MVP. He's got almost 800 points say he gets another hundred and 150 Is he a Hall of Famer? I mean, yeah, if you have an MVP a cup and a cons might I feel like that should be like the the auto bid Yeah, like all right. Yeah, just look at those three things. I was thinking last night watching the game that I've had a Lot of like good good friends and guys I played with that. I was so happy for that they won the cup all the guys in Pittsburgh when I was traded Halsey be right up there in terms of like He's such a great guy and like he went through a lot like you forget about his lay his knee injury and All the different teams he was on Buffalo for a year and then he's It didn't work out in Edmonton and all these things have be like that'd be a guy I'd be so fucking happy for if he got a person up ring We saw him in Chicago at the barstool office. I think he's ready to quit hockey. I think he might have said it in the little interview Oh boys, I don't know much time left in this league. You know, he's running around killing people scoring big goals Yeah, I haven't been burying people. I'll play off. So I can wait real quick. That's just a great win This and I just want to bring this up Ryan Evan Bouchard just got knocked out cold. I saw that. I think Ryan Lingerin knocked him out and Frank Sarevelli is reporting that Bouchard actually had some pretty bad concussion issues at the end of the playoffs So this is it doesn't seem like this is good at all. I've seen that And then I thought it was came out to not be true But because I'm because I'm like if it came up when it came on after that Bouchard was like concussed in the Anaheim series I don't think he'd be going to the world. Right. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was. Yeah To another fan at a right now after two periods who scored Celebrini had an absolute snipe in the first period on the pp and the second goal was from dill on hallway. Sorry No one can congrats the Freddie Anderson to he's got five Playoffs shutouts with Caroline and the most in team history 11 and one with the 144 goals against 98% in his three shutouts Needless to say leads the NHL playoffs right now. So good stuff coming from Freddie Shifting gears what you know we talked about a little while back a project Hail Mary You know you would start at the theater. I started I max I watched it again the other the other night I liked it even better the second time I don't know if you guys I know it's this time this time. Yeah, like this is the catch up time with movies and shows We haven't ever see I watched again I liked it even better the second time But what Ryan Gosling does essentially he acts across from a puppet It's to be able to be that charismatic and funny and convincing thought it was good stuff Yeah, I want to give that an extra shout out if anyone hasn't seen it yet Keith you'd like it I think I Saw and I max loved it. Oh you don't get my vote on on TV. So we'll probably I'll watch that with the kids soon as well because they loved it in the theater. So yeah, I mean the the TVs are so good Now it is like you're not losing too much right yeah, when I get the lights off at the TV. We got in the living room Pump up. Yeah, great. Sonos Just with the quality of Netflix. I mean, you just can't beat it either right? Oh nothing better. You are a fucking veteran Mer. Let me tell you just actually just finished right talk about running point season two Checked out if you're looking for a great show that that flies by the one with Kate Hudson She plays the owner of a fictional basketball team Good stuff give that world, but I started watching that spider in wild last night with Nick Cage dude It's it's a it's a latest spider-man, you know comic book that been turned into a TV show Unbelievable stuff like it's you could watch it in color or black and white you could like click between each It's version why you're watching it, but it's just kind of like that 19 like 20s 30s like rainy New York like black I'm like like Nick Cage. He said basically he was like channel and Humphrey Bogot and Bugs Bunny for this role But if you if you're into this mighty man stuff so far so good. I watched a couple episodes Another great documentary you guys have ever seen probably the movie platoon with Charlie Sheep Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a phenomenal documentary. It's called Brothers and Arms. Fantastic stuff. Give that a whirl. It's just a real deep dive on, you know, how they made the movie. Like, with all of us don't put these guys through how they all did bootcamp with with the real bootcamp instructor and stuff. But yeah, just a phenomenal look into how a movie is made. And my classic recommendation for the week, it's available right here on Netflix. It's true romance from 1993. It was written by Quentin Tarantino directed by the late Tony Scott. Christian Slater plays is kind of like Slacker who comes across a big bag of drugs and is trying to get rid of them. Patricia, I kept plays his sidekick, but it's got an unreal cast. Val Kim, a Gary Obleman, Dennis Hoppe, Brad Pitt, Chris Walken, Sam Jackson. If you guys, I'm assuming one of you guys will be seeing it. Yeah, right. It's my wife's favorite movie, I believe. No, okay. Nice. So, most of you must have seen it. Obviously, it's your wife's favorite, which is a couple of times. Great, great show. Not sure. Is it on Netflix now? I'm not sure. No, I double checked before I gave for the record of the week. Absolutely. I get it. Good one. Good one. I just watched on Netflix is the saint of second chances. It's about like the old, the owner of the Chicago white socks had no clue about them. That's it. That's a good, easy watch fun. Like a lot of stuff that baseball does now that they were doing back then that the other owners hated like, you know, fireworks going off during when a home run was hit and stuff like that. Like just the way that they've kind of transformed the game. That a lot of stuff is used now, but had some shit go down on the way on the way up. Yeah, Bill Vec, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then his son, yeah. Yeah, an interesting character from baseball history. But uh, murals. He's a peg leg. He had a peg leg. Really? All right. Is you? Are you the one who posted the video of the woman who was getting pulled over for being on her phone and the cops like your phone in your right hand? And then she didn't have her right hand. I posted her on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. That was so fun. That was so wild. Like he said, like, at first off, like a cop saying he pulled, like he pulled, like, she swear, swear to God, that's not like a legal precedent for that. Like, you don't get to swear on God that, like, to get a ticket hand to God. She put the right one up and then he goes, uh, can you do it with the other? Yeah. It almost looked like a skit nowadays. You can't be too careful. Like, you know, look, everything's like seen people doing content or tricks. But yeah, that was a pretty wild one. I needless to say, I think it was dismissed the next day because yeah, she somehow got the what you call it, the not the dash cam, the body camera footage. But yeah, I have no hand to hold the phone. You said I was holding said phone with, and I guess she's like a, like a powerlifter. She's like a weightlifter. She's like an athlete, you know, and the world of disabled athletes. I'm not sure the proper terminology. But yeah. So she's like, there's some clips that are lift the weight. She's, she's a, she's strong as an ox. But yeah, that was a pretty, pretty wild, pretty wild clip about the murals. I want to ask you, uh, NBA, if you follow in it, you've been getting the action on it. Who do you like? Uh, nothing. I have nothing on the NBA. It's, it's just, it's been just an awful product. I know the Nick Sweep, which is nice. And then, uh, I, I used to be a San Antonio Spurs from the days when me and you played for them. And they were, they were the owners of our team. But, uh, no, I don't follow anything. Okay, C's going to probably win it all again. I, I, I don't, I've been, uh, open about the basketball and the NBA and what I think of it. But, I was the guy ranting and raving a couple of years back. If not last year that McDavid was better at his sport than anyone else was at their sport. And then we kind of said, I think Otoni might have that. But the alien on the Spurs, I clicked on, I think it might even game one of this series against. Okay, C, because it ended right after one of the hockey games. It is, it is bizarre. He's, he, he kind of moves around like he six feet tall, but he's, what is he? Seven four. And then he shoots threes and doesn't look like tall guys like that. Like, remember Sean Bradley? Like, people used to call me Sean Bradley when I was three and eight grade. Like, they didn't really move well. Then this guy is, he's, I guess the alien is the perfect nickname for him. I do think though, maybe I'll get crushed by NBA people on this. When you talk about how many rebounds he gets, I'm not, I'm not very impressed. The rebound thing is, he's just, he's seven four. So obviously the rebound aspect, it hits the rim and he's just reaching up and grabbing it. The points, nuts, the threes, the dribbling at that height. I'm not, you're not going to get me on like, oh, you're 24 rebounds. I do. It's kind of like, but there's other seven footers he's going against. Like, it's not that easy. I would have, I put, he's, he's got four or five inches on them. Yeah, that's, yeah. It's the fluidity of his play. I wait, like I said, to see a guy that tall and that slender, like, yeah, you think I'm a new bowl of Sean Bradley, but just, he's just so goddamn smooth. And he's pulling up from, from a logo and, and swapping all over. He wears a 20 and a half size shoe gorilla. He's 20 and a half. I did see an article, it was on vacation that apparently he's big into, like, he went and studied at, like, uh, where, where monks are? Where's that? Monastery? Monastery? How do you say that, R.A? Monastery. Monastery. Monastery. About mind, body connection. And like, he seems like super dedicated to his craft, which makes sense based on how good he is. But yeah, I don't, I don't. What was Shaq shoe? Remember they used to have that and I had a locker store. And you, yeah, I had, I had one Shaq Orlando magic Reebok. And I, yeah, it was probably 22 size 22. It's size 22. And did you see it and wrote a cubo with, with an, well, that's, I figured you, did you see when me when they were getting beat the other night and he got subbed out of the game and he, like, whispered to the two guys going in, like, I don't know what he said, but the two guys just took two hard fall. So he's got some dog in him too. He's, he's a competitive son of a bitch. Yeah, I'll give, I'll definitely give that a look when they start right now. Morals to Oklahoma City similar to the, to the cup, they're already minus 145. The next plus 210 San Antonio plus 550. Of course, the West hasn't been decided yet. So yeah, just in indicates, okay, okay, so you'll be a huge favor. And plus, I saw Titus at bar stool. I saw a clip of him saying that, okay, he's like the worst thing to ever happen to basketball. And I don't, I don't really know what that was about. You guys know that, why flopping? It's like SGA flopping. He's like, it gets to the line all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I run it. I mean, it's, I mean, Steph, you know, I'm a Larry Bird guy, but it's that's the best shooter of all time. Not the best score of all time, but certainly the best shooter. But the ironic thing is that that forever all to the NBA, because it just became a three point league after that. Everybody thought they were Stefan. You know, I mean, it works for some teams, not for others, but it's kind of like, you know, it's good. It's as good as he's been for the league and, you know, the exposure. It's also always fight that though, because they moved that line in. They moved that three point line in. And that's what they started doing it. Yeah. Remember, it used to be way back from the college line. Now, it's kind of, they made it like almost in between. Or did they? I don't know about that. Let's do it. They moved the NBA. Michael Jordan was playing at a different length. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no, you're right. I don't think he did a years ago. I get wrong often. Keith, I'm telling you, be where? Like I'm going to say, the NBA three point line has not removed, has not moved and remains that it's original distance 23 feet nine inches. That ain't I don't know. I feel like that was a big thing. No. Hey, Merles, you know, who hit the very first three pointer in NBA history, a little trivia flyer. Larry bird. No, good, good guess. One of his teammates, Chris Ford, former Celtic and eventually was a coach as well. Yeah, little trivia flyer. Well, either way, we got the finals and bolts, but it's coming up great time of the year. Summer's coming and boys, uh, yeah, pretty much wraps up what we got here in our race world. Any other questions fire off, but otherwise, who do the Cubs got tonight? Well, this half for you. I think they're at the pirates, I believe. All right. Everyone always appreciate. Thank you to Bruce Cassidy. Thank you to Justin Williams. Um, I think tomorrow night, we're going to have our cup final set and we'll be excited. We'll be previewing that and discussing all that. All right. Good to see you. Good to see you. And uh, Charlottes, too, on a on a PJ with Wayne Gretzky. What a life. We will see you guys all Monday. Love you all as you were. 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