Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 650: Featuring Bruce Cassidy & Justin Williams

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There's another game to be played in the east. There's another game to play in the east. Wonder what the wind of meter is going to be on that one. Well, yeah, so we're going to save that a little bit because we're going to go over one of the most shocking sweeps the leagues ever seen. I would say it's not quite as much as Tampa Columbus few years back, but right under that in terms of nobody saw sweep even the people who picked Vegas, which I believe was very few when you see, you know, ESPN and all these different media outlets will pick winners. I don't know. They're not a lot of Vegas gold. I feel like we all took Vegas. I don't remember what I did. I can't even remember yesterday. Check the tape, but I do know for the most part, people were picking Colorado. We've gone to the fans had taken this isn't even a series and blah, blah, blah. But Colorado's done. And the way it went down, I actually think a little bit of the brinda more like didn't feel like a sweep like pretty good games, right? It was not like like what we're witnessing in the Eastern Conference right now. And that's not a sweep. So a lot more competitive than 4.0 sounds, but Biz, you said it. I think you said it against Utah that something was clicking with Vegas. And right now you're looking like a genius for one of the first times in your life. Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I think that there was a lot of influence from Bluntie. I think Yan's hopped on it. I mean, Murr, you're always kind of on the Vegas train. Although you were being. No, it was against his abs guy. It was an abs guy. This year, I picked the abs jersey over the Vegas jacket. Okay. Wow. All right. Well, fuck, I guess you're an idiot too now. But yeah, I mean, I'd be curious on how many people bet Vegas sweep like on the planet, maybe not one person. There was a bunch of tickets. There was a bunch of hundred dollar tickets at one of the Vegas casinos, but that's the hell were the odds on that ticket. It was 30 to one, I believe. I just, I think it's just a classic case of a team all coming together, peaking at the right time, goal tending, being unbelievable. Every trade and acquisition they've made is is worked out and just Colorado. I don't know, man, it just seems like they hit a wall, you know, obviously McKinnon not being a hundred percent, but he was through the first two and a half games. Kill McCarr anytime you have one defenseman controlling that much of gameplay throughout the regular season and playoffs at least up until that point. I think it's just going to throw your group off when all of a sudden you're going to have to throw guys out there way more than they're used to and you've been kind of running the machine a certain way for as long as they have. And I mean, going back to when they won it, like look at how much he was playing and look how dominant he was. So shitty situation. I talked to a few guys here and they posed a question. They said and goes back to what you tweeted out with like, are we really surprised that that Wedgewood and Blackwood didn't pull through as they're goal tenders? Maybe a little unfair considering they they won the what was the Jennings trophy? Yeah, I think I just can't believe that Blackwood didn't start game. I agree with that. And I agree with that. And it's more like it's not even a shot at Wedgewood in the first two games. It's just when you have a season of back and forth. Okay, pick a guy in the playoffs because we've kind of argued that as well. But if you're down to oh, and you've had a guy that's been your starter half the time, buddy, it's time to switch it up. Yeah. And I don't want a buddy, Bednar. I'm not saying buddy to bed. I love that guy. I didn't know I'm just more saying buddy is in buddy, buddy. You know, like, but at the end of the day, though, man, like you saw him in the fourth game, like did it really matter? No, Blackwood was in Blackwood was good. He was really good. It was all about what Vegas was bringing, boys. Nate, Nate had to assist all series, McCarrz zero assist in two games. Landis Cog had three goals, no assist Nelson zero points. Codry one goal to assist and net just to assist. If you're big dogs and those are big dogs, those are legitimate players half of them, half of them were on Olympic team. Besides Codry, all those guys were on Olympic team, like those are your big dogs. They need to show up. They didn't, but it's almost like you got to give the credit to Vegas. You got to give the credit to the Jack equals of the world guys that are able to shut down big time players. And I don't know if it's more that Colorado didn't play well, which obviously they didn't, but I think Vegas is just at a different level right now. I got a direct message from Bob Stoffer this morning. Did he, did he text you with to tell you that he was sending this? Because you just had a grimace on your face. No, the grimace was that I didn't get a message from Bob Stoffer. I didn't want to tell you that I got one from him about a week and a half ago. And I haven't talked to him in a while. He might be done with me. Yeah, he's done. I don't really blame him. I mean, how can you not be done with me at this point? I got to read this. Okay, I got to read this and I know you feel like he's cheating on you, but you don't want to. I don't. I respect. You don't want to get messages like this. Okay, he starts off with this one. Love you, man. Dot, dot, dot. He does. He's a hell of a guy. He's a lover too. But the Euler's top two centers both significantly compromised. Euler's lose to Anaheim dot, dot, dot in six games. You ripped them this after Edmonton went to game seven and game six of the Stanley Cup final the last two years. Colorado, Colorado has McCarr or McKinnon hurt. They get swept. Do you free pass them this emoji? Hey, buddy. I've seen other Edmonton Euler's fan media and I have to find this right now that have kind of been, and have also kind of gone after you a little bit. Yeah, here it is. Biz rips Euler's, but gives halves a pass, a retweet to which you said on game notes yesterday, I wouldn't change much. And I kind of love that these Edmonton people are getting together. Keep in mind if this was happening with Toronto fans, you'd be saying they got to make everything about themselves, okay? We've already been, we've talked to Edmonton to Toronto eight minutes and no, we've already been through this man. Like you can't, you can't compare the two and how they'd handled business off the ice making moves. Like you can't, like they did a better job addressing their goal tending, we can't deny that for sure. Like I wasn't even going to bring any of this up. So you're right. You're right. Like listen, like Nelson, he had an unbelievable regular season. He went up until Olympic break. He came back, didn't look like himself. Like did he play horribly in playoffs? Yeah, he didn't bring it, natious in the third round. Yeah, man, he looked like too much of a perimeter player, only to assist. Like, you know, what, hey, when I have ever traded Rottenham, absolutely not. I criticize them for the way that they handle that situation. You can go back and check the tapes. But I'm also not saying that they didn't do a good job of like, at least we're punishing what, what they lost from them to some degree. I mean, how many points did they just have this regular season? Hundred, the Chuchkin. Apparently he was hurt, he didn't bring it. I don't know how he plays in 12 guys for Colorado. You want me to criticize, but like they, they ran out of steam. They didn't bring it as much as the Vegas big dogs. But if we're sitting here comparing the fact that Edmonton Oilers with two of the best players in the world in their prime, lost in the first round to an inexperienced playoff team in Anaheim, and then saying that Colorado lost to what we probably know was going to be the future cup champions. Little bit of a difference here. They won the president's trophy. Like there was a lot more that was achieved. I just love that stuff woke up. And he's like, I don't want to do this. It's not oilers because these the fans listening, they don't deserve it. I will say that goal tending them, let them down a little bit. But you question them going in. Yeah, I questioned it going in. Now here's Merrick. I kind of, as an abs guy, I want to get your opinion on this because there's two sides to thicken about Colorado and Vegas will get our flowers. They deserve it. Yeah. The one side is, hey, like, yeah, obviously Brent Burns is UFA. I think they have to sign jack drory. They have some things they got to figure out, right? But overall, like their team is set. Okay. And you look at president's trophies. They lose. They get swept in the conference final, but they'll be back next year. Okay. Then the other side is, well, they're all getting a little bit older. They all didn't play the way they did when they won the cup three, four years ago. So there's also that side of like, are they kind of on the way down out of the window? Now I'll give this stat. There's been three president or president cup winning teams that have got swept in the playoffs. The 95 red wings. They want it to they want to straight a couple years later. Tampa Bay. They want to straight a couple years later. And Florida want to straight right after. So they didn't get swept by Vegas. Did they lose in five? So that's 2022 floor. Oh, so they weren't swept. Okay. You're right. You're right. Or they lost a Tampa early. I don't know if it was a sweep. Was it? No, they weren't swept. You're right. Either way, as I'm looking at Colorado, not as like, oh, like they're kind of in trouble now. I'm like, Colorado, if they were won the Stanley Cup next year, I wouldn't be surprised. It's not like holy shit. Colorado's in one. Yeah. My biggest worries. I need to choose him. He had four points in 12 games. He's one of those big bodies that he needed to show up in Vegas. Yeah, he's probably hurt. But Nelson, you got to remember last year in playoffs when they traded for him. He did nothing. And we're like, oh, man, but then he has 33 goals in a regular season. What does he do in this playoffs? He disappears again. Three points. Your number two center. You can't have that if you're going against Vegas. And McCarr, I said it on game notes yesterday. I had all my, I got most of my anger and disappointment out. He's got to play in game two. If you don't want to play him game one, because he's probably got a, I would bet a lot of money. He's got dislocated shoulder. But all right. We also, I'm skating that morning skate of game two. He was moving around. You put him in just cycle out like, I don't even know how to talk psychologically. No, you're right. For his team and for Vegas, like Vegas is over there. Oh, yeah. No, McCarr. That just makes them step up a little bit more. Throw him out there. Maybe use him p p p K. And then Mixy said, even better is that they're the home team. You can place him in spots where you want him. Spot him on an old draw. Spot him against a finesse line. Spot him p p. Spot him six on five. You should have had him in there. And you know, once they lost that game, we knew it was, well, I mean, I think we all knew it was over after two periods when you could just, you're our eyeballs told us like, I sent the Vegas in five video because you're saying because like, for instance, they were up one nothing most of that game, right? They then a blow in that third period lead, which is the first time they'd lost a lead going into the third period all season long. I think they're like 40 42 0 or something stupid like that. The problem with the abs, the power play. If they get an opportunity in that situation to close the game out and create that separation and maybe with McCarr in the lineup, working the top of the power play, you go up to nothing. And all of a sudden, it's a one one series and it completely changes the mindset and dynamic. Like after they lost game three, the way they did, it was over. They were defeated. Like put the fucking house on them losing game four. So I don't know, I don't know what more criticism that we can give them outside of their some of their top guys as Yan mentioned, like just didn't show up. They dealt with injuries at the worst possible time. They didn't get the timely save. You'd go back to the Ikego goal and the Barba shove goal. Like, it all kind of just came to a bottle neck in like two games and at the blink of an eye their season was over. So I think that we kind of knew that about Edmonton as you kind of watched that series, where this one, it was just like, oh, fuck, it was all of a sudden done. It felt like. Yeah, so you don't think like Colorado's going into these meetings the next couple days. Like, Sackic seems to be a guy that's obviously level headed where they're not going and being like, we got to boil things up. We got to make major changes. I don't know what the coach is back. I have never seen an emotional reaction unless I just haven't scoured the internet enough, quite like I did in game two from Joe Sackic as they panned up to the GM box. I've never seen him out the swear word in my life as they've panned up. And he was like, I think I'm pretty sure he dropped an F bomb in there and walked off of screen. I, I like, I don't, I think Bednar is a great coach. Who the fuck are you going to replace him with? Are you going to try this Carl thing out if it was even a possibility? Like, what if it doesn't work out? No, I agree. I just think the way EJ put it the other day. I think it was Eric Johnson was like, they tried the shake up of the core. And that didn't work. Well, they don't have any first round picks for the next three seasons either. So they're not in a good place, draft wise, they don't have a loaded prospect. Yeah, but that's not, to me, that doesn't really like matter for next year and the year after. Obviously, to gain assets like to make a trade this off season, you're going to need first round picks. I don't even know if they need to make that many trades. I think they're guys going to play better. I think they're better and they're and they're healthy. Like you're that's a you're looking at a juggernaut battle series and then somebody's coming out of it, man. You built a team in order to win. They ran into an absolute wagon at the perfect time. And that's what it is. Like, I think that there's been teams in the past where they made drastic moves and they look back and they're probably like, Oh, maybe we put pick hit the panic button a little too much. You just you just use Tampa's the example. You don't think coop. You don't think coop was nervous and keep in mind, this isn't getting swept in the first round against Columbus. You don't think coop was nervous going into that off season. He probably thought he was done for sure. Yeah, they stuck with everybody. They fucking regrouped. They they they looked themselves in the mirror. Like, sometimes you have to work through things. And let's not forget ourselves. This is a coach and most of that core who is one one with them. So they've won one. They've proven that they can do it. So I know they've already they've already won. Now that that Florida presence cup team was swept by Tampa. So that was that that was factual. Which one or oh in 2022. Oh, in the first round. Okay. Okay. Now, so that's my thing. Like, I don't think the roster needs an overall. They they got to get lucky. It's it's all lock. Um, it's it's not all lock. It's so much luck now to stay healthy. Do you think the Minnesota series took too much out of them too? Like Colorado? Like, that's a grind of it. Well, yeah, it took my car. Yeah. Yeah. He was already banged up. But that took him to the other, you know, to to even further extent. When you say he was already banged up, you're telling me what when he I forget who he went shoulder to shoulder with. And then he grimaced and like you, you're telling me his shoulder was already banged up. Yeah. It was from that hit against Calgary. And in the regular season, the end of the year. Yeah. He was banged up. And you could tell even before the the innocent one Joe Hanson or whoever it was, it was like, he wasn't really producing the way he usually does. I know we had some goals, not meant, you know, not many like points like that guy. Like, if you're looking at defenseman right now and the way that people, you know, you saw Quinn Hughes and you see guys point per game lane Hudson. Obviously that switched the past few games. That was kill McCarrr getting a point per game and over a point per game in the playoff. So yeah, we could kind of put the the. Um, the. I think they hurt legging in. They hurt melinsky because those guys all came into this banged up to. And and Vegas 100% healthy. Yes, Stone got a little banged up, but he looked better once he came back. He likes the he needs a little rest. He's like that, uh, the WWE Geef, you know, when he comes back with a calf. Geef is the best at that thing. He's the best at coming back. Melinsky. Melinsky gains another year experience. Like he just kind of stepped in in that role. Finally had like his first couple years of getting his feet wet. knowing what it's like to be a full time NHL and you just got the big deal. So they got him locked up at a great number for years to come. What happens with Brent Burns? Is he coming back? I would. I mean, he's going somewhere, right? Yeah, because he's got, I think it's 57 games to break the all time record. All the guy wants as a cop. I don't, but that, that's, that's something that you have to consider here. The guy's not done playing like he doesn't have to be done playing at times. Did he look a little older in the series? Yeah, but he's fucking 41 years old. Like I get it now on to Vegas boys. You know, we did a lot of this chat when they're up three. Oh, when we chatted the other day, but the fact that, the fact that now hurdles playing this way, because we were calling out hurdle all regular season basically the second half and then into the first few rounds, he's found something. We talked about that goal already. I mean, what a disgusting move that was. And then you have stone down on like the third line with sissons in him stone gets that breakaway in game four. And after he said like he's kind of chirping his own skating in a way and he's like, I've just been able to use angles and it's funny. It's like hockey IQ. Like if I don't have the speed, it's all about my angles and where I have to be. And he says, because I've actually gotten a lot of breakaways in my career. And for a guy who skates that way, he does get a lot of breakaways because he's reading the play and he's figuring out where he has to skate to get behind guys. And that was, that was the sign it was over. If you want to say going into the game and Murad texted us, they're only minus 105 in this game. Like they should be minus 300, which was a great call, but stone scores that call and the most electrifying celebration guy in the league. I think just run and point net was it a McNabb who floated. It's just old and it's like all boys, this thing is done. Is that the blue line before it crossed the goal line? Sex fist puppet and sell it. You know what you know what it reminded me of. It reminded me of when in the closeout game when Mariner got that break away. It went between the legs where he was just like, Oh, it's, it's over. They got the first goal. And that was early on too. I get such LA Kings when they won that first cup with the vibes. When they just, they got the eighth seed and they caught lightning in a bottle. And there was no stopping them. They drum drummed everyone drummed everybody. They would just, they would weigh on you. They would grind you down. You would get nothing. You couldn't get to the inside. You're getting no good quality scoring chances. They usually found a way to get that lead as I talked about. And then it would just be a dump and chase and you're a shit sandwich game where you're like, Holy fuck, you want to talk anaconda chokehold? That's what's going on there. So I mean, from top to bottom, it's, it's the, the only issue they have on their team right now is who's going to get the cons might when they win it. So, so conversation around here. I'm not, I'm not, I, I, I've switched my tune from when we were chatting the other day not on the show. Like Carolina could fucking win the Stanley Cup, boys. I'm sorry. All right, and we can get into that little bit because we still have to talk Carolina much of the series still going on. Unless I'm being fooled by three teams that Carolina will have beaten once they finish off the Canadians being not that great and not Vegas level. This team is incredible. But with Vegas, the other part that's really cool is Torts and the interview after was it Bob McKenzie's son Sean. Maybe I think that was he was just chatting like he seemed so at ease and so happy. And how could you not be like one one one? They just are drumming everyone. But everything has worked out to perfection. And so you talk about the luck and the luck of being injured for Colorado and all these other teams. And then the luck of we made a coaching change at the right time because there's a chance you're going to miss and then Carlson comes back and heart finds his game is the best goalie left in the playoffs. And then everything's coming together. Hurtle starts scoring again. Stone's able to come back. So it's, it's just all coming together at the right time. That would be my fear as a hurricane's fan is like, it's just, it seems like it isn't unstoppable force right now in Vegas. That's the problem. And the one guy we haven't talked about, I think, changed the entire team is when I started thinking is William Carlson. He got slotted into that number two center, got Mariner out of that spot where he could just play the wing and worry about that. And then Hurtle dropped into the third slot, perfect third line size. And then when the stone injury went out, it actually worked out perfect. They saw how good Ikel was with with the with the rushing guys. Stone and Hurtle, they're both big and kind of slow, but they're both so smart and skilled. They, those three lines are just perfect. And then the fourth line is, is the dream fourth line for Stanley Cup champion? Did, did, so they moved scissors to third line center and Hurtle to the left side. Had they done that when Hurtle scored that goal down the left wing where he went to the backhand, or was he playing center at that point? Because I noticed that they, they switched that in the last game, right? I don't know what I would have thought he was center there. The guy made the D. Coglin went over to the other D, I don't know how to say his name. He made the long pass up the stone, the breakout that Montreal should be using on Carolina, the Russian breakout, the high tip boom, Hurtle full speed. I, I, I would guess he was center and just curling to his forehand on that. Yeah, I mean, Vega, Vegas. Shout out Vegas to all right. So they make that deal for Rasmus Anderson, right? Like that's just a top four defenseman on, on any team in the league. Stanley Cup champ doesn't matter. Part of top two defenseman on a weaker team. The guy can play, he's paired with Hanuffin. Then you got McNabb, the horse, right? He's with Theodore, who skates like the wind. He's also long rangey. And then they're able to kind of plug in like Coglin's look great. Is it Corsax? The other guy, but they have other guys who've been in and out on the fifth six spot. So it's, it's, it's that all coming together with Carter Hart. You can dislike this guy. All you want, I don't give a fuck. The guy is in the NHL. He is the right to be the NHL and everyone who hates him and everyone who's talking about it. Hey, talk about whatever you want. Do you think the Vegas Golden Knights don't love this guy and appreciate this guy? And John Torrella, you think a guy like that who has, who has respect for Carter Hart. You think that he doesn't love seeing this guy come back from what he went through? And you can come at me all you want. I don't care. He's an incredible player who was found not guilty. He's playing for a reason in the NHL and he's doing a phenomenal job. And right now that guy who was in the depths of hell at one point sitting in a courtroom is, is, is, is doing what he loves again. And I'm happy for him. So come at me, come at him, go with the Vegas Golden Knights. I hate the fucking Vegas Golden Knights, but it's a see a guy who probably thought he was never going to play hockey again. Yeah. Leading the race for the cons might even though he'll never get it. Good for him. Good for him. And Vegas is now going to be chilling and waiting and practicing and Torrella is going to be singing Kumbaya because this is the new Torrella. I don't have to yell at anyone. I have this perfect hockey team who just shows up every night. The fourth line runs around and kills people. I call, let's start talking. I call, I mean, is I call a top five player in the NHL? I don't care that he hasn't get it over yet. This guy, I just reheard that it was big wall. He was on the wingman podcast with Matthew and Brady. This was from a while ago. And he was talking about how good Jack was. He said he ISO came to him at four nations and at the Olympics. And he was like, this guy, I didn't realize maybe because he's out west or whatever. But he is a true number one center shuts down every team, doesn't cheat offense. And I think he said, yeah, he did say he was like, he's like a bark off. Like the way that those guys can just control a game. Even if they're not playing often, even if they're not scoring goals, they can control it defensively. It's he truly is. And I don't know if he doesn't, I think he gets the credit enough maybe for being like as good as he is a two way player. But man, that guy is just an absolutely fundamentally sound amazing, amazing hockey player, just what he brings. Like there are times if they need an offensive chef, like you'll see him put on the put on the burners, get some offensive zone. And then if they, you know, they need to like get the end of the game. He's out there. It's him and Marna out there trying to ice the game. Like they have a good fourth line. Like doubting those guys can win draws, but he's out there doing it. It's awesome to see what he's. Barcoves are great, a great comparable because I think both guys, if they didn't play a certain way, could get way more points. Oh, yeah. And they still get a shitload of points. Yeah. So all the moves Vegas has made. It goes back years and years and calling them cutthroat and villains, which I love to do. It seems like every move they make is a home run. Oh, yeah. And it doesn't hurt that they have guys who, or it's a team and a city that people really want to play for. I mean, when you talk about certain markets, the guys aren't going to want to go to. That's just a fact. Vegas is not one of them. It's actually the exact opposite. And there's back to kind of what Merle said, too, like you got I go who just took 13 to five. You got Caprice off making 17. It's like you talk about a place that people want to be and want to play, willing to take hometown discounts, everybody kind of falls in line. Now all of a sudden for the next, how many other seven years you got I go, it's at 13 5. You got Mariner at now 12. I mean, Dorothy, I was probably going to settle for 8 million bucks because he likes playing there and he's going to score 40 goals playing with guys like Jack, I go, so it's yeah, it seems like everybody's bought in and that's going to be a problem for the league for a few more years. I would personally like, I mean, we can get to the Carolina series when if they were to be fully healthy and Florida, where do you help fully healthy, I would love to see them meet again. That would be unreal. That would be a, like I mean, I'm sure that Florida, Florida was banged up last time they met, right? Matthew had a sternum thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think their whole team was depleted in that in that finals. But yeah, man, that would be insane finals. And you never know, we might get it next year. Might get it next year. But yeah, I got to to my own horn here because if you're talking about the old Vegas team at one, then Florida back to back and now Vegas again, what do all four have? Big old D-men, Mer. Big huge D-men. No little number one D that are under six feet tall. So I got to, I got to shout my own name out for that one, but also the article you sent us where there's an article about this. There's somebody in NHL that stole in Valor, somebody in NHL.com or in articles about the long big D. And then Vegas says the Vegas says the second tallest team in the NHL. Where do you guys think Colorado ranks? Mid-pack. They're pretty big 23 small guys is a con and and who are what are their tiny guys? Actually, no Nelson's big. Are you talking about D? Boys, they rank 31st in the NHL in terms of height. You're one of the team behind them. March or Minnesota wild fraud squad. Wait, are you talking D or the whole team? The whole team, the height of the whole team. Okay. They're D. They were on that subject. All the Minnesota fans coming at me calling Colorado a fraud squad. They wiped Minnesota out in five games. So if Colorado's a fraud squad, I don't know what that makes you guys. Well, maybe that's them silently agreeing with you, but also saying, listen, we're not the only frauds in the central. What's the, what's the average average height of their team? Six one. The average height of the Vegas Golden Knights is six two with a average weight of 201 pounds while the Colorado Avalanche height is six foot six one with an average weight of 194 pounds. It doesn't seem like a lot when you read it off, but then you go through battle in a series every other night and you get worn down, worn down. And man, we didn't even mention that Cole Smith from Nashville, like this guy's running around. He scores a big. He scores the winning goal in the series clinching game. It's like, I think he was getting close to being benched because he took another minor penalty. They, they, they, they pan the torts at one time. He was furious. The first time I seen torts upset since he got there. And but he stuck with him and he got the game winner. Yeah. That game winner, that game winner was a, is it the word microcosm, microcosm of how Vegas can play. Like it was, it was hurdle who gets the puck in kind of makes a good individual play, then ends up getting it deep. Then Dow goes in on the four check buzzing around. Then he makes an unreal pass up top to Coglin. And he gets a shot on the net and boom series over. It's just like how they played all series long. Finally, I play with my camera. And he told me it's the best line. I told biz. I wanted him. He could have used it yesterday on the, on the panel. First and second line get into the playoffs. Third and fourth line when you the Stanley Cup. So if you're looking at all these teams, so all the big goals are coming from those third and fourth lines in the big moments. And we have, we're lucky enough Bruce Cassie's been drawing us in a minute. But I do think we have actually torts is we have to quickly mention the comments. You know, I wouldn't say surprising, but I was taken aback when Mariner mentioned like I've been through some dark days in my hockey career. And of course, Maple Leaf fans that business been carving like the people that are just so bitter, they made a big thing out of that. Oh, making 11 million and playing golf and fucking royal St. George over the courses that he was playing after they lost tough life. But obviously, it was pretty evident that he was going through some tough times at the end of those playoff failures and taking a lot of the heat biz. Yeah, I mean, yeah, like once again, like the the idiots online are going to take that and run. All he's doing is giving you his experience and what he's been through and saying he's on the other side of it. So like anybody who can't just be happy for the guy at this point, like he moved on, right? It didn't work out. Like he was probably just disappointed as any one of the fact that he couldn't deliver in his hometown. And I'm not saying that in a sense of like it was all on him. I think that there was probably some some key moments he wished he could have elevated his play. But hey, man, he went over to to to a team, a better team, right? He thought that this is a better situation for me where I'm not going to get scrutinized and and and take the brunt of of of all the blame when things don't go right. And you know, when maybe it isn't his turn to step up, there's going to be other guys in the lineup who do and that's that's proven true, right? Like they got an unbelievable squad. He made the right move and and let's not forget in times of need in the first two rounds. Like he was the go-to guy when they needed a play to be made and they needed a game breaker. He did it. And yeah, I mean, he deserves all the credit in the world and we talked about it coming in. I think that it's really between Carter Hart, Mitch Marner and Jack Eichel right now is as far as who's going to win the big hardware. And I would imagine that it's going to be between between Jack and him. Now going back to what we were saying earlier about Jack to like I think most people discovered how good he was and what he could bring the first time they wanted. I think people thought he should probably won the cons might that trip to the finals as well. March or so had a had a fucking horseshoe up his ass. He was scoring everything that he touched. So that was the reason he took it. But yeah, I would say that at this point, man, Jack Eichel is, I mean, he's a bonafire. He's all a famer automatically, right? Yeah. It'll end up that way. But this will put a stamp of approval on it. Is do you think for Marner, it was more like the beginning of his career, he was such like a joyful player having fun out there in the ice. And then his by the end of his tenure in Toronto, just looked like the fun had gotten taken away from him. And now you see it like he's having fun. You see him after the game when they went obviously they're going on to the finals. But you just see that smile in his face and like I just feel like that's when he's at his best, when he's having fun and he's you know, he's not feeling the pressure. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess you'd have to we'd have to sit down and interview him to know what he was going through and what he was thinking in his last like probably the law. I think it was like the we always go back to the stats like 2019 till till last year through 18 game five through sevens. No goals six assists, right? So there was obviously probably a weight like that that was weighing on him. And and when he didn't deliver in those situations, the team didn't either. The fuck yeah, the media came down and all the guys making all the money. Now do I think that they made their situation easy by fucking bending the team over and not even signing a full 18 eight year deal. Like I think that you put a little bit of a target on your back. Like we just talked about Jack. Like there are differences between both environments, right? You had a team who you had their top players not willing to take hometown discounts where now all of a sudden you're in a place like Vegas and they are. Like Jack I could already want a cup. He's willing to take a hometown discount. He's making the same he's going to be making the same on his big long term deal as Matthew's just gone on a four year bridge. So it's just that there's there's there's differences on on the teams and ultimately to go back to your to your your question is like he's just he just seems way happier and it's a better environment for him and he's out of the media circus. Guys, I'm going to hop off here for the Bruce Cassidy interview. But I just wanted to ask you guys like did you guys ask for permission from Vegas for the center? That bis might have given me permission. I never thought about that. I know that they're going to be hidden us with a fine for sure. All right, go. Still blue coffee ready to drink can lattes are officially available nationwide at Target. That's right. Whether you're making a target run for toothpaste, paper towels or somehow spending $200 on things you didn't know you needed. Stop by the coffee section and see why everyone is turning to sell blue. The cans are made with a hundred percent Colombian coffee real dairy real sugar and contain 190 milligrams of caffeine. 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Every purchase supports animal rescue organizations. So when you drink still blue, you're not just fueling your day. You're saving a dog's life. Try the new cans today. All new still blue coffee cans lattes now available at stillbluecoffee.com or subscribe on Amazon for 10 percent off. Let's bring in a Stanley Cup winning coach base that you got to work with the TNT a little bit in the year. Who's Cassidy? What a what a gasp is. There we go. There we go. I felt us. How you doing? Thank you very much for joining us. How are you doing? Where are you at right now? I'm in Cape Cod. I don't even know what well. I got a T-Time at 12 10 today. It's been kind of rainy out here and overcast every day with the suns out today. So Bruce, watching the games right Right now and obviously we just went over. the Vegas sweep. I imagine it's a little awkward, right? Like, I was a guy traded from a team of one in the Stanley Cup. You want a cup with Vegas. You're not there anymore. Is it is it hard to watch? Are you watching all the games? Like, take us through you mentally seeing what they're doing right now. Well, I've seen enough of them. I don't see them all. Some of them, just because they're on later here. But, you know, they found their game, getting contributions from everybody. Obviously, the goal tender made a big difference when he got healthy and got into the lineup there. It's kind of solidified that position for them. So Carlson getting him back. He's a real underrated player. I think it's helped them a lot. You can check anybody in the league and it showed against some some pretty good players who Colorado and Anaheim. So, they've been there before. I mean, they know what it looks like. Torch has been there before. He knows what it looks like. So, they've got that going for them as well. We're a we're a mariner glazing podcast now. And when you were the head coach there, because of the Carlson injury, injury, you put him at center, second mind center, most of the year. So, like, how, how, like, how good is he as far as like Swiss Army knife and where you could put him and what he's able to play as far as penalty kill, power play, and touch so many areas of the ice. And at what point did you go to him to ask him, hey, can you, can you handle this for the season? Well, it's when Carly got hurt. It was kind of jack and and hurdle. We still had sizzards and then he got hurt. So, now we're down to two guys. We bring a guy up, but, you know, we have to find a replacement internally. So, I actually used Riley Smith for a few games and then I talked to Mitch about it. You know, he plays the game offensively like a center, right? He's a guy that he's a transporter of the puck through the neutral zone. He needs it on his stick in the old zone to make his plays. So, certainly plays that way with the puck. Without the puck was going to be trial and error, but busy. He's unbelievably gifted, defensively with a stick his brain. He's above people all the time. The challenge was face-offs. That's it, right? So, we would use different guys to help him on the wing with that. But even that, you know, he wanted to go dig in on it. He worked on it after practice. He, you know, it takes a lot of pride in everything he does. So, I'm happy for him. I mean, I heard you guys. He had a tough go in their Toronto. I was out west for a lot of it. I saw him early on in his career when I was in Boston. We beat him in a seven-game series. I thought he was their best player in the playoff. So, I've seen him be good that time of year, but right now he's, you said he's having a lot of fun out there. And he's got other people around him. If he has a bad couple, like not bad, but if he's, he's not producing for a couple of games, it's not the end of the world in Vegas where Toronto would probably get scrutinized a lot more. You mentioned Carter Hart quickly. And, you know, as a guy that I played with him, I'm super happy for him. And, you know, just with how competitive he is, how smart of a goal tender he is. Like, how happy are you for him? What did you see from him? But also, can you touch on Sean Burke and what he means to the goal tenders there? Me and Biz had him in Phoenix and just an outstanding, you know, just a communicator with the goal tenders and the defense and the other coaches. Like, maybe touch on those two guys a little bit. Yeah. With Burke, he puts a lot of work into it, right? He knows the position well. I mean, he played 17 years in a league. So, he certainly knows the ups and downs the everyday mental aspect of it. And that's something his head coach is having not played that position is pretty unique. So, you need that or your goal tender coach. And he's excellent at that. He did a great job with with Aiden Hill, who the year we won the Cup, Aiden came over from Arizona. So, that was Burke's guy and identified him. He likes that style of goal tender with with Hart coming in and being being hurt. I think he missed a total of 12 weeks. He was probably tougher on Sean to get to know his game style without seeing him for a while, but easier to get to know him as a person, right? You're working with him every day, one-on-one. So, he had that advantage. But Carter, like I said, he, the first, when he first played for us earlier in the year, I remember he hadn't played in two years, right? So, we knew there'd be some rust. He got injured against Columbus. And it set him back for a long time. And even his recovery didn't come along as quickly as we hope. So, we weren't sure when he'd get back. And, you know, he happened to get back. I think there's a second game after. I got let go, but he's really helped that team. He's proven he can play in the league towards Adam. I think that relationship Yanns is probably really important for him too. So, you know, it all kind of came together for him a little later than he had hoped, but it came together in the end. And you're seeing it now. Brett Hauden's a guy that it seems like he's kind of built for the playoffs. He had over 20 goals last year in the regular season, but he was great when you guys won it. And then now he's got 10 goals through, what, 16 games so far. What is it about his game that translates so well to the postseason? I mean, obviously there's speed, but it seems like it just, it goes up a level for him when the playoffs start. Well, he's a straight line player and goes to the net, playoff type goals, right? He's not afraid to get inside. He's not a guy that's going to curl up and look for late people. He's going to get the puck to whoever's playing center with him. And the year we won it was Chandler Stevenson and Mark Stone. And he'd just go to the back post, go to the top of the crease. And he scored a lot of goals that way. He'll get behind people because of his speed. So he'll crack down the wing every once in a while, get a goal that way. But it's usually getting open in the dirty areas. And he's a great kid. He can play center. He plays left wing. We never used him on the power play. And he probably could on other teams, but didn't complain. And you know, just one of those real solid middle lineup guys that that you need to score goals this time. And he seems to have it. I remember there was a run. I think it was anaheim years ago. It was Travis Moan. I coached a long time ago. You know, that type of guy would score, you know, 10 during the year, but eight in the playoffs. He just went to the crease and deflected pucks and got rebounds. And and and how he's got a little bit of that. And it's going well for him right now. The shorties, you know, a lot of those are Mitch making high end plays, but he's still got to finish the play. Does have a good shot. So really happy for him too. But you know, that's the biggest reason he doesn't mess around. He's getting inside and going where the you know, where the pucks are going to end up and getting greasy. What was it like playing for like a management staff where like you knew at any point they were going to try to make a move to make the team better like obviously halfway through the year. You saw them get Anderson. I think it was the year prior, maybe just the year before that where they get hand offense. So they're constantly pushing their chips in and getting these big these big guys to come in and help the team out like, are they consulting you on these moves? Like are they going to you or you guys round table in quite a bit? Yeah, well, hurdle was the year before and it was barbush of the first year, which was kind of under the radar move that, you know, was the final piece for us the year we won. I mean he'd fit in really well with Ikele and Marshall. So, uh, yes, it's not so much a name's business. Like, where do you see the lineup? Where do we need help? Right? So you start with that. Well, maybe we need another puck mover back there that that's, you know, got good feet. So that's where the handoff and probably came in and, um, and then Anderson, when petrol, uh, Petro's injury hasn't allowed him to play. So we're like, how do we replace him? Can we do it internally or, you know, what we look around? And I think Anderson was on their radar for a while. At least that was being discussed in the media, I think even the year before. But, um, so it's not always a name. It's more like where, where, where are we deficient? Where can we, we upgrade? And then as you get closer names, they'll come up just, just in case you have a previous history with them, right? They, they want to know that Jeremy Lowe's on when they to trade for our coach him in Boston. Uh, had as a young player back there. So, you know, those things can be relevant when you're sort of getting to the finish line in those deals. Bruce, you had a Patrice Bergeron who, you know, the selky awards should probably be named after him. But and then you got a guy like Jack Eichel who grew up in Boston, probably watched a ton of Patrice Bergeron. But just the way he plays defensively doesn't treat the game with how good offensively is like, what do you see about his game that just makes him such a good 200 foot player? Yeah, well, I think he, he wanted to have some of Berger's attributes in his game and, um, you know, it's hard if you're not in the playoffs to build that kind of reputation, right? So I think and he probably had it in the back of his mind and got more of an opportunity in Vegas. And, you know, we met on the Cape here. Uh, when I signed with Vegas and I met with Jack, uh, in July, I think it was on a way to a wedding and chat him or something and I grabbed him for half an hour and we kind of talked that through. What do you know, what do you need for me? And here's what I'd like you to look like. And it was more about, hey, I know you can bring it off. So you're going to run our power play, but, you know, 200 foot player, Jack, or your ability to skate and your hockey IQ. I mean, you'll be a hall of famer if you get that down right. There's no doubt in my mind he will be and he has gotten it right. He used it in the Olympics unbelievably, you know, against us. I know in the final game, uh, he used it that playoff series against McDavid. They had a great, great series back and forth. And he's doing it again. Um, so that's what Jack's all about. He takes care of his body. He's a pro, um, great guy. He's going to be a, you know, a dad soon. So I am happy for Jack. He's, he's really turned the corner when it looked like, you know, with the Buffalo, the neck injury and all that. It wasn't sure where would land. And, and he's, you know, he's their guy there. He's a guy that leads that team him and, and Mark Stone and, and he's done a unbelievable job there. So the, the way it all went down, Bruce, obviously, I, I imagine very difficult for you. And then the one part is you're fired and the entire hockey world saying, well, he's going to have a job in 10 minutes, right? Like that, that speaks about you and your career. And then the news breaks where you're not allowed to talk to certain teams. And then, you know, my squad had maintained, I think they planned, oh my, we can get Cassidy. Take us through your thoughts in terms of not being allowed to talk to certain teams right now. Like does that upset you or is that part of the business? Like where are you at in terms of your next gig? No, it's upsetting. I'm going to be honest because once you're fired, um, you know, your contracts basically terminated, but the one thing people don't realize is all the deals, you know, they got NHL bylaws this and that, and I don't know everyone, but, you know, you, you have [BLANK_AUDIO] peak clauses. So I can't resign today and go work for someone tomorrow. I'm still I can't work until Vegas gives me permission until this contract's up, which is at the end of next season. So, you know, if you resign, all I do is not get paid. So, I mean, you know, I get really interesting here. You can't just throw that up. I did. I said, can't you just forfeit your salary and say, hey, I don't need your money. I want to get I want to get the bag from somebody else. It's not right that they can let you to me. It's not right. They can let you go and then still stop you from working. That's where the bylaws are probably messed up a little bit. Yeah. And like I said, I'm not those are in I think everybody's contract. So that's is what it is. But you can't do that. And I think they do that probably because they wouldn't want to coach in the middle of the year to resign on February 1st and go work up the street on February 3rd, right? Because they like a better situation. I'm sure that's kind of why some of these things are written in. But in this case, yes, there was two teams that asked its public knowledge now. And I would like to talk to them. I want to go to work. I'm a hockey coach as much as I love being around visit TNT. I'll feed it back to work. And I got to tell you, you want to listen to him chew out loud. How many fucking steaks is this guy going to eat? I got to tell you they were they were great to me. They made me feel like part of the team. I had a good time doing that. So thanks again. I wanted to give you guys a show to do a great job. It put me in concussion protocol off you. Did that power play break down 12 minutes? Anyway, that's where it's landed right now. I don't know if there'll be clarity on it. There hasn't been yet. We keep asking to see if we can get on with my coaching career. But right now, it's a little bit in limbo. Listen, Vegas isn't a playoff series. I understood that. But I still think they could take some time and sort through it. And hopefully, they do. If they don't, well, I guess I weigh it out until I can find a resolution. Yeah, I don't find that far being on the other side of a cutthroat organization. Oh, is it? Do you think that this is, you know how like sometimes in leagues, things have to happen to be like, oh, it's evident, we need like a rule change here. Do you think this will force agents moving forward where there will be clauses where if the team were to fire you, that that would be a clause where, okay, now you're able to go talk to whoever you want and have the option to forfeit that money. Because you just said like, obviously, if you were like, oh, January one, I'm going to just say, hey, peace, I resign and go work somewhere else. Well, obviously, that's not going to be something that they'd hand over. But the latter, the other thing of getting fired, you should be able to. Yeah, you know, listen, I'm not good enough to coach your Vegas school nights, but I'm, you know, what, too good of a coach to coach, you know, a team that asks like, you know, yeah, that's the part that sort of bothers you. But would you, would you ask to put that in your contract? I think I think other coaches well that are up now, too, might say, listen, if I'm terminated, I have the right to go seek employment anywhere in the league, any one of the 31 teams. And, and I'll try to put it in. Why wouldn't they? After, you know, like, that's usually, necessity is a mother invention. Whatever that's saying is as, you know, probably why some, some coaches will look to do that, whether the teams sort of allow that, I don't know. That's another question, but I don't, I would, I would ask for it next time. I would, as a team ever done this to another coach, not to a head coach. You know, it happens a lot. And as teams will call and ask for permission to talk to maybe your head coach in the American league to become assistant in your organization, that happens all the time. And teams don't want to lose an asset because they haven't fired them right there. They're under contract. They want to keep them. Some teams will let a guy go in that situation a lot won't. Usually, if you ask for, well, look at Edmonton, did they ask the Rangers for permission to talk to now block. He was in Hartford. They granted it. So that part of it does happen, you know, if a guy has a chance to be head coach in the NHL. So I think it's a different situation. It was no, not after a guy has been fired. I mean, the, the ironic part is, you know, Vegas had to get permission from Philly to higher torts. So, you know, like, so it didn't happen. It happens a lot. That was fucking guys. Anyway, so because you were so close with these guys, is it a situation where like, maybe you shoot them attacks and you're like, boys, come on there. Can't be fucking. I want to coach. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've talked to Kelly McCormick. Listen, we had a good relationship with George and Bill Foley. I mean, there was never, never, never anything adversarial at all. We all want to cup together. So that's not the issue. They've just decided they don't want me working in certain places. And, you know, I've got to sort of try to figure out a way to allow me to do that. So I don't. Well, don't fire me if you don't want me somewhere else. Well, you know, that's honestly, I wish it was that easy because then I, you know, I could get, you know, listen, you're watching the team. You coach for 74 games go to the final. You're kind of going, geez, you know, what did I need to do better? And you go through it in your head, right? Because that could be, you know, that's what you play coach and play for, right, to get your name on the cup at half and once. I'd love to do it again. So that part is, is a challenge. And then to not be able to go and sort of say, okay, I'm going to do things better in my next stop and get on with that. That's kind of a double whammy right now. That's when, I think, when Whit asked me earlier, that's the part that gets, you know, frustrating is like I just like to get on with coaching, get it sorted out, figure out where I'm going to be. I mean, I got a couple of kids in high school. They're doing great. But, you know, you got to sort of figure out your family plan too, a little bit. So, um, but at the end of the day, then there's a side of it. Well, I, I am getting paid a lot of money to do nothing. So that's the good part. I would rather, I'd rather be working, right? And so that's, that's where it's landed and hopefully it gets resolved. We'll see. Well, we're normally a, a players podcast with it. Maybe we've become a coaches pod and we go to bathroom and maybe do like a little protest. That would be the final. We'll run the union. We'll run the union, the coaches union. I didn't even know that union existed when I started. Come on, just started when this happened. Yeah, we have an association, right? So it's, it's, it's, you know, they do a good job for all the coaches to get together and sort of spitball ideas and, you know, get, you know, if you don't have an agent, compare salaries, you know, Lindsay's done a really good job running it. And, um, you know, the coaches are involved in the board and we'll meet with the league at times to help, but we'll give our opinion on, you know, the odd rule change and what not. But I think it's more for the younger guys to, to get some knowledge, be around the older guys here to, and maybe, you know, learn a few things and you're, if you aren't negotiating your own deals and stuff, such, but I mean, it was good that they were standing behind one of their coaches. I appreciate that. But I, you know, I think at the end of the day, I just got to find a way to, to get to Vegas and, and see if they'll, you know, let me go. Do you think it's something that after the playoffs, then there's a better chance of it happen or for them. It's like, yeah, I would think so just the fact that I, I respect that they're busy focusing on winning a cup. I get that. I don't, on the other hand, I think, you know, they're, they're a well-run organization. I think they could take the time to do a couple things at once, but that's kind of the answer. I've been given a little bit, so I have to respect that. And like I said, I, I worked for those guys for almost four years and, and had a lot, a ton of respect for them, I hope, you know, and ends up getting resolved, simple as that. Um, we, we case, so we talk sometimes on the podcast about what's going on and like what we think and what we hear and, and like, we've talked about it before, like obviously you're an incredible coach, but sometimes maybe like the, I guess the word is, is you can get a little down on the players. Would you say that that is maybe one of the things that you would, would have changed a little bit like maybe, you know, maybe a little bit more towards the player coach side of it where you're, you're not as hard on guys. Is that, is that a fair, is that a fair assessment? Yeah, and I think, um, you know, there's always truth that like I'm an intense guy. So sometimes I'll challenge guys to be better and how I message sometimes I'll go, okay, you need to do a better job with that. Maybe that has to be one on one. Sometimes you're doing in video, because, you know, so if you're pointing out, you know, Jack Ikel not stopping and starting then that, you know, usually the left another guy will say, I'll be going to go after that guy's going to, you know, he's going to come after me next. So it's a little bit of, you know, solidifying what you want in your group. Uh, but how you message I think is important every year, I try to take something away from that and be, uh, I guess kind learned gentler, but at the end of the day this year, I look back and we had a tough march. Um, you know, and, and we're finding ways to lose instead of win. So I probably should have brought more joy into the locker room and a little more fun than saying, hey, let's tighten this up. Um, but that's a little bit kind of my style. Let's take care of details and that can wear on guys for sure. So yes, um, I can see that happening. But, you know, then sometimes they'll say, well, he's a short, I mean, I was in Boston six years and coach some, some future hall of famous and, you know, we found ways to win. And Vegas was almost four. It was, I was, you know, so there's certain part of it that certainly works, I think, biz that I don't want to change and there's other parts that I got to recognize that, you know, and it's not even players nowadays. Like, you know, no one wanted to get, you know, sort of have a coach on them all the time. I don't care what age you were, whether you're, you know, on the ends and you're playing a long time, go biz, wit, you still want, uh, to be able to communicate well with players and allow them to have fun coming to the ring. I think we did that. We just, in March, it got away from us a little bit and I should have reeled it in better and found a way to get the guys to feel better both themselves. That didn't happen. Uh, so that's what I'll look back on and make sure I don't make that mistake again. When you were going through that, like, do you feel it kind of like slipping through your fingers or were you not even thinking about that? You're like, no, I'm just focused on getting this group turned around. Like, did you feel because maybe it is the organization that it is, you're always walking on eggshells where a coaching change was even a possibility? Well, yeah, I think when you I mean, we weren't winning enough. You start thinking about I got a win. We've got to get a couple wins here to calm everything down. And then, you know, the one slips away. You lose the shootout, you lose an overtime. So I think it can certainly wear on you. You've got to fight that urge and just make sure the guys are feeling good about themselves. But yeah, I think it goes through your head, especially the year we had, it was up and down. Expectations are high in Vegas. As you said, they make a deal every year at the deadline to win. It's one of the reasons I went there. I thought they had a great chance to win. And I'd like that to be my next opportunity. I'd like a chance to win and take the pressure that goes along with it and the expectations. I don't have a problem with that at all, because, you know, you don't want to coach a team where it's okay to lose. You know, we're building. I think there's certain times in your career as a coach, you can do that. I just don't feel, you know, that I'm at that place right now. I'd rather have the chance to win. I can't always pick and choose. I understand that. But so that part of it, yes, I think there is a little bit in the back of your mind. But it's not something that affects your everyday work. I don't think it can. I don't think you can carry that around with you and to be a good coach if you're worried about, you know, your job security every day. Yeah, and that's one thing where we've seen so many coaches be fired so quickly, right? Like you see guys, they're not even reaching their extension some of these coaches. And then for you, we talked to earlier about Vegas throughout the playoffs. Like, it's just kind of been goal-tending. Obviously, there's other things that cross the comes back and hurdle scoring along now. But throughout the year, there wasn't much goal-tending. So for you, it's like, all right, well, if that was just kind of average, we wouldn't be in this situation. I imagine as a coach, you're looking at both sides, seeing what you could do different. And also, stuff that just wasn't working and that maybe wasn't necessarily on you. Is that true? Well, listen, I, you can go to our analytics that, you know, if you're an analytics guy or not, some guys take a lot out of it, but some don't. We were very good in every year. Like our special teams are both top five, top 10, you know, scoring, whatever it is, expect the goals for, expect the goals against. They're all good metrics. I thought the team was playing it performing well most nights. We were just, you know, we didn't get the timely goal or the timely saves. It's not all on the goal. We weren't scoring certain nights either, right? Our shooting percentage and our save percentage, I think was last in the league to have some stat if we get the fancy name for it. But so obviously, the puck lock is a little bit to do with that. And that's going to happen from the year to year. But I thought we honestly would get through it. And then, you know, stabilize that position at the end. And Carter Hart's done that for the team. And, you know, good for the team, you need it. You're not winning without a guy back there that gives you confidence and certainly not in the playoffs. He's gotten better and better. He was a good goal in this league in Philly. So we knew it was in there. And that's why, you know, Kelly wanted to sign them because he knew what he, he was capable of. We just had to get the reps going again and unfortunately, had an injury in the middle of the year where we couldn't use him and crunch time. And he got healthy late and found his game. So that that can, you know, give a good team a lot of confidence. And I think Vegas is a good team. So there's that part of it that makes you feel good that I'd say, Hey, my fingerprints are on this team in certain areas. It's just torches getting have all the fun now. So he's got them, you know, he's got them feeling good about themselves. And that was his job coming in. He's done it well. He took the dog dude in there. Broce, you mentioned, you, you'd like to step into a team that's ready now. You want that pressure. Like what would be the dream job for you right now? Gargoyles. Greensboro Gargoyles in the ECHL. We could use some. That's our team that finished last place. That's why you don't want it. Well, you get the first overall pick. Is there even a draft on the post? I don't know, I don't even think we traded it. Well, Vegas wouldn't even let us talk. So yeah, listen, that's hard. To say, I mean, Edmonton's open right now. They got two, two of the best players in the planet. They've been close. So they know what it looks like. LA, I think DJ, I'm not sure what's going on. It's, you know, they've got a franchise that's one cups. Toronto's looking. I mean, you know, interesting to see what'll happen there. With, you know, some newness around their, you know, their GM and president. They got the first overall pick. What direction do they want to go? I think, you know, those are some of the questions those middle teams ask themselves, right? So some of those would need to be, you'd want to get answers if they had interest in this. So, so obviously, you know, I, I, I don't know which one. I just like to be able to talk to the teams that have asked and start with that. You never want to see a coach get fired and we love Bednard. But if Colorado happened to fire Bednard, that would be a nice place to slide into. Yeah, I mean, they've got a, you know, a great team there too. Obviously, they showed that this year they've been knocking on the door for years. I like Betsy's, the great guys done, I think he's done a terrific job, but especially with their top end guys to keep me performing every year. Oh yeah. They really have. They just, for whatever reason against Vegas, they just couldn't find another gear and Vegas did. And, sure, everyone's surprised by that. Not so much at Vegas one, but I think that it was a sweep, right, that Colorado didn't, they never seem to get any traction there. So I'm sure they'll look at why and some of it's simple as injuries, right? Some of their top guys, I don't know if they're 100% and sometimes that's all it takes to get an edge. But, yeah, I mean, I understand that the firing, I mean, I got a job way back then because a good man got fired in front of me, right? That's kind of the way it works. We know that part of the business. That's kind of what you sign up for. And, and, you know, that's it on that front. Did you ever think that like the, the coaches, salaries, just the way the NHL is now, whatever get to the place it is? Like looking back when maybe when you were tired, even just starting to get into coaching, like it's kind of gone crazy. Where did you know, listen, I made 39,000 to go to the East Coaching Jacksonville, Florida on my first gig. So, you know, I, I, I went into with my eyes open, see where it lead me and had a lot of ups and downs and it's worked out well, but I think Mike Babcock drove that with Toronto a long time ago. He signed there, he signed to cut more term and more money I think than anybody ever had. So that started the process. So you have to thank Toronto and Babs for that to sort of push into the whole world. Yeah, you know, you know, they're, he, he did get a, you know, and then Sully just got one in New York that, you know, drove it up a little bit. So there's usually guys out there that have to push for it. We always try to help each other because the young guy behind me, he'll be in this position a few years down the road. And we wouldn't want to set him back. But I, I think it's, it's, it's a good thing. Because I mean, I'm in this industry. So I'm glad they went up, I probably do it anyway, whatever that the market asked for. But yeah, that's how it's played out. And I still think we're well behind the other sports in general. But so are the players, right? When it comes to basketball and football. So hopefully it goes up for everybody. You're seeing that with the players. The cap's made a nice jump here in the next three or four years. And hopefully the, the revenues keep growing. So everybody benefits. I, I appreciate you coming on, Bruce. I know you're the man. And I, I respect your honesty, your heart and your players. Your honesty and kind of sticking up for yourself a little bit. Like I want to coach and I think that's what most people are thinking as well. Like, all right, you fired him and also to be fair, my favorite coaches I ever had were the ones that were the most hard on me too. Like I talk about Mike Stothers all the time too. And it's, you know, it's tough love. And that's what drives people to be better. And I, I hope I didn't piss you off with that question earlier. No, listen, I don't think I'm disrespectful to the players. Do I challenge him sometimes too much? Maybe pick a better way? Of course, you're always looking at that. But I got a ton of respect for every one in the room. And including the Vegas guys. I mean, they're a great group of guys, good family guys. There's a whole bunch of young kids in that locker room that, you know, be great on, you know, on Sundays, we're able to bring them in and get them together. I mean, I love that part of the game. So you try to, you know, you know, make sure that you have relationships with them. And I just got to try harder. And, and, and the MLB, if you play one game or, or coach one game for a team, you end up getting a ring. Like, is that stupid to think about if they win it? Like you get any, like you get, do you get a ring? Uh, I, I doubt it. I know it's a good question. But I mean, you go the whole year and all the fucking, the doldrums of the year. And then, yeah, no, I mean, bonus. Did you have a bonus for a couple? Yeah, but those are those get eliminated. Oh, this is fucking, they shouldn't get eliminated. If they don't, they are just another team every which way they got you right now. We need to join the coach's union, boys. Yeah. All right, Bruce, play well today and we appreciate you coming on. All right. Thanks again, guys. We'll see you in the next verse. That's awesome. Uh, you know, hearing from a coach and what he actually thinks right now, that's, that's pretty cool to hear. And I get it. I do. And when he says they, they're playing right now, when I said I don't buy it, you literally go, okay, you could talk. It's not like it's, you got to fly everyone somewhere and figure it out. So that's Vegas though, biz. They are the bad. Not cutthroat. They are the bad. I would be sick to interview Pinkie and then brain together. Oh, yeah. They'd have us in a blender. They'd have us fighting each other somehow. We would do it in a UFC ring in Vegas at the headquarters. All right. Let's bring murals back in. I know, biz, you got to run in a couple minutes here. Yeah. I'm leaving, boys. Any final thoughts on what you've seen so far before you go just? Yeah, like I just, like, you know, once you all looks defeated, boys, they're gassed. Like, there's nothing to be disappointed. What an incredible season way ahead of schedule. Like, obviously, they're going to have to address some needs and, you know, you, I don't want to say get exposed, but Caroline has been working at this for eight years, boys. They've faced all their adversity. They've gone through the, the shit with getting swept and getting embarrassed in the Eastern conference finals. They did so in game one. didn't even practice the next day. They had a video session. They said, boys, let's recalibrate our brains. We've been here, we've done this. We've worked towards this. We're not going to squander this opportunity. Let's fucking get back to what we're good at and what we do best. And they've done that the last three games. I think it's a record as far as limited shots through a three game span in an Eastern Conference Final. I think they allowed 12 shots on goal in games two, three, and four in the third period and over time, like total. That's fucking insane. So four lines, six D, spreading out the ice, smothering, four check, neutral zone, giving them no areas to breathe. And obviously with a lack of amount of gas, a lot of self-inflicted pain for the Montreal Canadians to where Dolvish has had to be incredible to even somewhat keep a minute. And finally, the floodgates opened in game four there. So I think this series ends in five games. And I think that'll be very important for Carolina to keep that energy that they've been able to store up with how quickly they've made work of other teams. Because they're going to be going up a more superior team in my opinion in Vegas. That's not taking anything away from them. Obviously, they still need to get through this series. But nothing for Montreal to be disappointed and not proud about. But this is just the team that's ready. And biz, like, let's not forget Montreal's the second youngest team in the NFL, beside Chicago, by about point, whatever, five, three percent. It's their setup for the future. They're a team that's, I think, ahead of the schedule, they were even ahead of schedule last year, even making playoffs. So I mean, obviously the series isn't over. Anything could happen. But what we've seen in the last couple of games is just a team like Carolina just outclassing another team. They're playing so well. And you've got to give a lot of credit to Freddie Anderson. I know you guys talked about it on the broadcast. Just being able to stay focused. They mentally sharp in those games where you're not getting a lot of rubber, sometimes in a period not getting any shots. And then boom, you've got to make a big save. Because they have guys that are making good plays. Guys with great shots. So this Carolina team, man, I know how much I've been down on them. Don't love watching them. But fuck, man, they are built to win. And they're doing a hell of a job from top to bottom in that group. I've never, I've never seen a home team be dominated that much on home ice in my entire life. They couldn't, they couldn't get a shot through. They could string a few passes together. Just sheer dominance from Carolina in a game where it was like, it had to be a statement game. They had to be a game where why would you let Montreal back in this series to go things tied back to Carolina? And they just the minute the puck dropped, the trust that Rod has in the fourth line, they are a well, well, well machine. And with that said, boys, you guys could snap it around with Justin Williams, Mr. Game 7. I love you boys. And I'll see you next podcast safe travels. We'll see you on Monday, send me that link. I love how biz started as rant with the Martin St. Louis like this. Like he was like, oh my god. And honestly, I looked at, you know, we make fun of the win-a-meter or deserve to win a meter. I saw it was 6% Montreal. 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And I think there'll be a time based on Montreal and their youth that there's, there may be in an Easter conference final and they're outclassing a team. But the Carolina is a better, bigger, deeper team, right? - Yeah, you missed my intro. Like I was trying to set you up with the intro there when I finished with the team that played two game sevens. - Yeah, Mr. Game Seven. I already said Mr. Game Seven, but I'm sorry. You're right, bring him in. Bring him in. - Yeah, bring him in. - Bring him in. - Bring him in here. Let's go. - There he is. - Can't make this guy sit in the background on us. Come on. - Really, what's up? - What's up fellas? - Not much, but what was your thought watching that game? Kind of a dream scenario for your squad. Really just foot on the gas from the opening puck drop to the very end. The third period was when I was like, "All right, are they gonna muster up anything?" And I don't know if they got a shot for 15 minutes. So as you're watching that, that's what I'm guessing is the cane's hockey that you've kind of seen and be accustomed to seeing this year. - Yeah, for sure. I was actually wasn't at the game. I'm here at my parent's house right now. I'm in Coburg, Ontario. So watching that game, I was watching here in the basement with a couple of my buddies, my mom, a couple of her friends. So we were, we have that, we have that fad light. You guys remember the fad light light that go off when the team scores? - I have it still. - His vision's to have a bunch of them. So my parents have one in the basement here, and it's awesome. It lights up the whole basement, but it goes off sometimes before we score. So, you know, we might be behind a little bit and the horn goes off and we're like, "Oh man, we just scored." So it kind of ruins it sometimes, but definitely, that's where I was yesterday. Sorry, I went on, I didn't even answer your question. - No, no, no, you're, I mean, that is the answer in the question, basically. The red light was on and it came on three times in about three minutes, it felt like at the end of the first. So I have a bunch of questions about this team for you, but my number one thought watching last night and Wayne Gretzky was mentioning him. Keandre Miller, I guess he's one of those guys that like, Rangers fans, little left to be desired, like they expected more. And then you're like, "Oh, put him in Carolina's system though." And it's just fit perfectly. And he's so big, he skates like the wind. And he's, I mean, I think he's been the best defense one of the team in the playoffs. - So it's the same one like Brady Shea went over from New York to Carolina. Like those guys could just play in that system. - It's kind of, it's kind of great when you don't know who your best defenseman is. It's kind of a real, it's kind of a really good thing, right? You have Slaven out there on the, you know, big six foot four, six foot five guy on the left side. And then you have Keandre Miller, big left shot, six foot five guy. And on the left side again, you've got, you know, Nick Hishin down there, six foot just big long guys. And just getting back to what you said about Miller. I mean, guys who can skate in our long, obviously fit anywhere, but they really fit within our system really, really well. 'Cause he's got that stick that's just kind of like a cobra that's just, you thought you think you're out of reach, but he just pokes that puck away from you. Keeps the puck in and keeps our momentum going and keeps a lot of puck's in. But he's less than, he's among a lot of players on our team. It's hard to nitpick when you're 11 and one and things are going well, but these guys are cruising right now and playing at a super high level. Him included. - To stay on Miller, I got to ask because I know a lot of Rangers fans were worried about his commitment to the game. And you know, like being in New York. It seemed like he had a lot of distractions and has it changed since he got traded? I know it's happened to other guys when they get traded for the first time like oh shit I got to get my I got to get it together here. It like it's a short career Well, one of the one of the really good things about Caroline that is a little bit of the the the draw is a little bit of the anonymity The fact that you could kind of just Do your thing and you know if you have a couple bad games. No one's going to be called um, you know calling for your head and the newspapers On TV you don't got to read about it online or on Twitter very much, you know like you could kind of just do your thing Yeah, I think yandre has has really blossomed in that Aspect that that he just goes out there and does a thing then and he's he's consistently improved That's always a feeling out process when you come to a new team right just you got to learn a lot of stuff the guys Your deep partner, but but him and Sean Walker right now are are are It's it's hard to say they're not our top team because we seem to have they seem to be playing the most minutes right now But they're they're chewing up a lot of minutes and they're they're keeping people the outside and as you can see or the shot totals the last few games And big thing for Caroline it too is their fourth line and a guy like Jordan stall I was watching the game with a buddy of mine the other night and I was trying to explain to him how fucking strong Jordan stall is I'm like you can't move this guy. He's just a farm. He's got that farm strength But yeah, he gets a big goal the other night. He out muscles Anderson in front of the night who's another huge man But just what he brings to that team winning face offs like the dedication you get Martin Nukin on it like in on his line Causing havoc like what a great teammate. He is I would imagine too, right? Oh Jordan is the strongest player teammate I've ever played within my life. He is I mean you guys know this. He is monstrous. It's crazy He is a huge human he must have taken most of the food at the stall house when they were younger because I don't know he's yeah Eric was thin like crazy. You the little Mark too. Yeah, and Mark too, but yeah, I mean Didn't he look like I'm watching the show Vikings kind of on Netflix right now He looked like a Viking when he scored that goal yesterday. Yeah, and he was just Screaming and celebration just like I outmuscled you Anderson I have my stick on the ice and I got it and Listen, I can't say enough great things about him from the start of the playoffs Just you know answering the bow with Brady Kitschock It really I feel like it just it just made our team a little bit bigger if that makes sense Yeah, and then we talked a lot about like bringing in like just a score And then the rotten thing goes down last year and it doesn't work out and then this summer healers comes over right and He's been great like he's so quick and I think some people like oh they need a little size But he he plays like a big guy too. He's a little bit of a rad at times. He's intense What is it meant to the team to have him come in and and also like I think in the past Maybe his playoff performance wasn't great and for him to be able to be on this team and play the way does on the third line too Technically the third line like what have you seen from him and what the guys say about him in the room? Yeah, I think the most important the most important attribute you can have as a player is competitiveness and our Slighter smaller guys are just super competitive. You look at Jackson Blake, Stan Kovan You know healers to some extent he's slight, you know, aha like Jarvis like these guys are competitors man. They are dogs on pox and I would say healers has slowly slowly become one of my favorite players to watch on the ice he is The way he's able to find ice change speeds and find little lanes with passing lanes It's it's really awesome and and really I'm sure you guys as as you know guys who watch hockey a lot I think you probably agree with me just the way he's able to find lanes and just create space for him And that's what the best players do right somehow you're like how does he still at the puck and you know There should have been a guy on him, but just the the shoulders and then the changing of speeds really makes him awesome and he's He's out of that extra element of skill that perhaps maybe we we've been missing Yeah, and that even last time I've been That that was him who distanced it over to aho right yeah unreal and I think he knew he was given it to him before gossus bear Even gave it to him like it's kind of like no one what he's gonna do before he gets it so that yeah, that's uh But the way he got the way he got to the middle to be a threat to shoot and like you said He probably knew but the puck was like in front of him. He makes that pass like just a highly highly skilled play Yeah Yeah, and I've been on it about the third and fourth lines like right there ailer's in stall both got goals last night But the fourth line for you guys are starting to gain for you guys I want to know about this jankowski and what was the thought he's behind like signing him mid playoffs. I even droggo Um the janker's been a huge part of our team ever since he came over from from Nashville He's he's fit and found himself a role and that's what that's all those, you know Bottom six guys want to do right they want to find a team that they can find a role in and then just keep hammering on in that role and He's he's been excellent. He's been excellent for us that that line obviously as you know I heard you guys talking before I got in the air like Our depth is our advantage we feel against any team in the league and Those guys the way they're playing right now Um, they're so big you got to carry a down there just out Muslim people and taking pucks to the net Just when he wants to and and jankowski you know kind of like a swiss army knife and Robinson with his speed I mean it's almost like a game of keep away on the outside and then when someone could get to the middle and they have that little lane Then they take it there and they're big enough to do that. So I can't say enough great things about you know that line We're about going to the goal tending Freddie Anderson obviously he hasn't been tested a ton not getting a ton of shots But like just to have that mental fortitude staying in games being ready making the key saves when you have to And I got to meet him uh skated with him one summer just like an unbelievable cool dude like not Not really like the typical goalie that you see like he was out having beers with the boys hanging out and It just I'm really happy for him especially what happened to rano and stuff like that But how much how much credit do you give him just being able to stay in the net when not seeing a lot of shots and and making huge saves for the team when they need it Yeah, I I agree with the the I guess I shouldn't say typical goalie, but maybe goalies are a little aloof sometimes a little maybe um Different but but he's you know, I think his personality is is Perfect for goal. I mean, I want a goalie to have um You know that's fire and he has that fire, but that's fire is kind of from more within he's he's such a calming guy back there that You kind of you look back and and you say okay, everything's okay Freddie's Freddie's calm. He's he's cool Whether or not he's got a goal scored against them or he's pitching a shuttle right now And they kind of looks the same back there like he's just kind of moving lets the puck hit him and I think Um as a pop move reans like He's really really underrated moving the puck. He makes really smart decisions which helps out the D a lot Um that that to help us get the puck out of his own really quick. So I mean listen Freddie's um, you know, you you worried a little bit about the layoffs, but he's got the perfect personality for and what you you'd appreciate is golf swing to do. It looks like urny else It's so smooth. I mean it's just the long six foot four Danish swing. Oh It looks beautiful. I knew you'd bring it to golf somehow and talk about a great goalie After game one Now it wasn't like I guess it was a surprise, but they had so long of practicing and battling each other like it just had to be difficult Biz mentioned no practice the next day Guaranteed no panic in the room, but what were you thinking watching that it was was it similar to brinda more I think they got him on the bench and like what are we doing Yeah, well, I think it really what it really what it really does is shows you how minus fuel um It is when when you're just a little off like yeah, we were we were just a tiny a half second off of these plays and buncher I was able to make plays and You know since then we've been able to get our sticks on pucks. We've been more um You know more in their face a little bit more. They've had a little bit less time to make their plays and in turn You know their turn backs and they're and they're you know given goes and all that stuff. It hasn't really been Uh, you know work in the way that that uh that they obviously wanted it to and we kind of shot that down a little bit so Um, I think it kind of with the layoff it goes back to Like you know when you're training for like pre-seat for like the season you're in the summer and you have training camp and stuff But you finally get into a game and you're like whoa. Why am I so sore? It's like I never trained. Yeah Yeah, it's like you can't simulate physical contact like we worked extremely hard to practice Roddy had the boys buzzing and working hard But when there's a guy trying to hit you and take you off the puck It's just different. It doesn't matter how hard you work and and I think that's what it was We were just a second off and Montreal expose us in game one Um while we're talking Roddy I have to ask this I need I need to know When he made that comment it was it wasn't a sweep but it was a sweep or whatever it was Have you guys ever asked him about that and does he regret saying that? I think it's one of the funniest quotes of all time. It wasn't a sweep It wasn't a sweep we did loose horse race. Yeah I don't think you ever I don't think he it's kind of like a sound bite now right because uh I feel like other teams have lose it to be like I swear we didn't get swept. Yeah, we lost for straight. It's like kind of a sound bites now and as you guys know we're a pretty we're a pretty big not not totally central. We're a pretty big analytics team and we look at that. We don't take it to do you know 100 percent but you know we're a big analytics team. We look at the numbers a lot and you look at that series that we did lose the one we got swept. We look at the numbers right. Wow. How the heck did we get swept? Doesn't look bad. Make any sense. It's not bad. You know Bob Ross you had like a 9.80% like what we're supposed to do. So I don't think you regret regrets saying it but it was pretty funny. When you see teams that get this far there's there's often times you know the high picks and the guys who make up the core like and then there's also guys usually at the bottom of the lineup who've been through a lot and every team has them and one of the guys I think is Martinuck and I think back to I think it was on waivers was it two or three years ago and I can't bend it and I believe it was you know it was a cap type thing but at some point he could have been picked up and now he matters he matters so much that that has to be a guy that you personally are happy for right like wow this guy's kind of been through a lot and he's so important to our team now. Yeah he is he's kind of like a I don't know the word he's kind of like a bit he's a huge heartbeat of that dressing room there's a hundred percent of that I mean he's him and him and stall have played together probably like 99% of their shifts the last like five years and it's kind of like Roddy's like safe he's like Jordan Marty get out there you know get this you know this game's going the wrong way go have a good shift in the office go kill a penalty you know like he's he's such a huge part of our team just the fabric of our of our of our culture just you know coming over from Phoenix and then I actually kind of totally forgot about that you know it was a you know an issue with with with the cap and everything with the waivers but you know we we hope he wouldn't be picked up and I'm thankful that he did that he didn't and he's doing an unreal job I don't know if you and did you play with him yeah and he did right he was even that guy he was young when he came up but he you could tell he was like the heartbeat of a locker room like you already confident in himself and obviously not one of the better players on any of the teams he's been on but he's his voice is heard in the locker room and especially now the way he plays it's probably even heard way more well you look at like teams with third and fourth line issues and the guy was on waivers it's like obviously he fits in with Carolina how he skates in physical but it's it's just like how did nobody grab him that that that it was the end of camp I think yeah it's it's a he's a guy that like honestly he got better when he got to like 27 28 years old like he got better like I it was like fat it was like one day at training camp I was still there with him I'm like Marty you get faster over the summer like what happened like he got the little feet and he was buzzing out there I'm like who is this guy and he honestly got better he's gotten better with age and that doesn't happen all I would like to play Willie we you talk to a lot of guys and I know from me like hated playing in that building and you've played there played against there what makes that building that makes people hate it and so hard to play in that building against those fans and against that team I think you guys have hated that nauseam I've watched you guys a few times about how bad bad it is the worst I mean you got that wind tunnel going out it squeezes your ass off every time you come out there the worst reason listen the room's not great but we don't want it great I don't want to want to make it awesome we want to make it as good as possible without getting it's exactly what we want to do that you know that's what we want so it's hard and it's packed and it's it's real you know busy and obviously the team is the main reason why it's helped to play him so right now if you if you look up what Justin Williams is doing he's the special assistant to the GM and many times on the show I've been like look at this guy Tulski he's a mad scientist and and his life and like patting things it's just such an interesting story to become a GM of an NHL team is your role with him almost similar to like the way like Sundine just came back with Chica like I'm an analytical math guy but I never played the game and I can lean on Justin for locker room stuff and and team heartbeat stuff and things like that yeah I could be I've certainly a kind of like a catch all type thing a good liaison between obviously the players and and management but I mean the real heartbeat of that is is you know it's it's Roddy's he's you know the guy that talks with you know with us and in the in the press box sometimes and coming up there and and and talking to management and then he's you know got the full you know buy-in from the team there but going back to Tulski I mean obviously he's he's learned a ton obviously not playing the game hurts a little bit but but he is himself and in our owner Tom Donna they've they've they've learned so much over the years that they've been here and the good thing with them is is they take advice not like no this is the numbers this is what it is it's okay well let's see how we can figure this out or you don't think this is right why do you not think this number is right and he's smart enough to he can change his algorithms and his and his you know the things that he builds right and and he can be like all right well how about this is this more accurate would this be a good opportunity to shoot how how how many how many times you think you'd score from this area and he's he's been really good with obviously the management side of it and then becoming the GM he's he's done a phenomenal job with us and and you could see by the players that that you know he's been able to bring in responsible for and stankel van science for 60 year for eight years and then Jackson Blake's five a year for eight years now as a player like when those are going down you have to say to yourself like we got I really like our our deal here as a team like I I can't sit here and say like wow these guys probably could have made more and and and and know that like we have a good spot and are in a good spot with these guys making this money when you look around the league it where sellers are going to some way he's on the other side yeah but I'm saying he still knows you still know like we've done a good job here yeah yeah I mean you want players I mean it's a player you I want players to make as much money as they can I mean I do but you want it to fit within the structure of your own team right just you just want it to fit okay you want a slot guy and that's kind of what it's getting harder and harder to do now with the cap going so far up but you just want to slot guys okay this guy's here then this guy should be here and then you just kind of trickle it down right and when you see when you sign guys like stankel van and and Blake to these extensions obviously you're you're taking a risk too but but players like it because they feel like you believe in them and and you know they're like okay I mean these guys really believe in me and they they want me to you know the player for a long time they see me as a big part of this team and and it's kind of it's kind of like a loyalty thing you're like all right you believe in me I'm gonna go I'm doing it for you guys and I kind of had that attitude when I was playing too like give me the longer give me the longer term so I know where I'm playing I know I'm going to be part of a team I know where my role is as opposed to you know maybe trying to just you know squeak out a couple more mill and and you know have to potentially move around maybe go to a coach that you're not quite sure of and I don't know there's a lot of things that that go the other way but I was certainly those contracts look great for the team right now but you know those guys aren't they're not they're not going to be bad for pennies inside those three years but I believe in that's what's part of these good teams is when the guys aren't aren't making an absurd amount of money it's it it brings up the team camaraderie and everything and it's like all right everybody's in it together there's no one superstar it's everybody together and those are the always the best teams at any level well think about this Willie your three cups did any of those teams have a guy making like an an insane amount around the league and do he was probably a high demon right at that time yeah he was he was he we were he was like eight then maybe I wasn't astronomical he wasn't the highest paid D in the league but is that is that is that is that stat still there with the ten million dollars and no one went in the snow because Bob Bob Bob proved that wrong but he was 10 yeah he was 10 was I think I go wise to I go might have been I go might have been under 10 when they won yeah for the extension or it was 10 but but I'm saying even in Carolina your first title like that I don't remember anyone on that team making a shitload no the salary cap was 39 million with 24% rollback yeah do you remember those days yeah but it is listen just trying to find guys that that that fit in the role and want the role and I mean I think things are going to get a little bit out of whack here in the next couple years but you know we'll have to adjust the way we do and you know everything is everything feels great when you win a championship so you know five more wins to go and and the boys are doing a great job Willie I got one last question from you from my end you're you know your minister game seven your mr clutch like when you're in these GM meetings are you the guy that's like oh I need a pen and you're just like yep got it here the the wife loses the cell phone you're like yep got it right here for you when you clutch everywhere just yeah I don't think so but I like that but I'm not at the GM meetings that's that's Tolsky job for sure I uh I say a away from, I stay away from those things for now. - He's that old chat, I'm just snapping the ball around the floor. - Hey, hey, you know it. - Exactly. - With my earpieces and just hotting or on the driving range, those guys with the earpieces. - Yeah, I like that Eric, I like that Eric. (laughs) Cut, cut. - Yeah, give 'em five. - All right, Willie, thank you for hopping on, dude. It's been, it's been very impressive what they've done. One loss after 12-day break. And we'll see if they can close it out tomorrow. And then we'll be set. They have home ice if they're able to get it done. And we're looking forward to it, so thank you. - All right, cool. I'm sure you guys will be in Raleigh soon. Let's get together if you are. - We'd love to. - All right, buddy. - Thanks, Willie. - Later. - Yeah, I mean, last time I was down at that tailgate, we talked about I was welcomed into the Carolina Hurricanes alumni little tailgate. They had RV because I do have my two exhibition games. - You got the eggs, huh? You scored a goal, didn't you? - Down after you scored a goal in preseason. - You set it down on the plane. - Last goal at the spectrum, is that what you said? - Yeah, last goal, a little known fact. - Before, and also, you know, I think the only guy right that played with Sid and coached by Mario, I mean, Wayne. - He played with Sid, Mario and coached by Wayne. - Yep. - The only guy, I mean. - It's amazing what I've accomplished in my tiny, which the people from Minnesota love to let me know, my small window size of my NHL time. - Yeah, I've had a lot of people let me know what it was. - Still made it. - Yeah. - You played one of the screenshots of my Elite Prospects page. - You played one of them. - Oh, they're giving you that one every year. New team, buddy. Fuck you. - Okay. - Before we bring on R.A. Gino, back in Pittsburgh. We kind of wondered what was gonna happen there. Pretty cool. They dropped the video and they announced five and a half million, but I think the chance to make like eight or nine based on bonuses and all that. A million bucks if the penguins get in the playoffs. 500 grand for each round. They win. 500 grand in bonuses for games played. So Gino's gonna make plenty. He has made plenty, but I think pretty cool. I'm guessing that this will put to bed him playing on another team and that he'll finish his career. As a Pittsburgh player, I know it was just one year. Does he play another year after that? I don't know. Depends if he's as good this season as he was, a next season as he was this year. But that was pretty cool to see. Gino ain't going anywhere 21st season with the penguins coming up. Yeah, that's the exact structure he had with his Magnetagorce contract before he came over. Like just weird bonuses. It's like, what is that? But he's one of those guys too. That you just want to see him wear one jersey his whole career. What he's got to that organization. Him, Sid, Latine, Flurry, like you think of those guys. Well, you know, they literally kept the team in Pittsburgh. It was gonna go to Kansas City. So I love when guys stay on one team, especially superstars like him. And yeah, the video is just typical Gino asking for more zeroes. Whatever you was saying, it's so funny. He's just a great character of this game. Can I ask guys, do you guys think that for 2030 Olympics, do you think there's any shot that he's on that? If say Russia is granted a team in the Olympics, do you think there's any shot he's on that roster, goes back and plays in Russia for the next few years? 2030. I don't think there'd be so many good players and would go back and play in Russia, unless it's home games only. I think home, I think he's playing a season in Russia. We're having a nephew, nephew he Mac and eating spaghetti and ketchup. Yeah, but he might have what they like. I don't think they look at the food they're eating as the way we get there. They're like, yes, finally, forget these American restaurants. I think Obi's come out to saying that he's going to finish his career in Russia. He's going to go play. So be him, Malkin, they'll be on the same line. I'll be incredible. And who knows, at that point, Rajelov's still playing over there. He won the championship. He's younger than me. He didn't win it again this year. Malkin shigs are bringing up, bring in our very own, Rajelov. All right. There we go. Hello, everybody. Welcome to our race world here on the spit and chick list podcast. What's up, boys? I know we've already talked about the gains. Just an absolute suffocating steamroll, but these numbers are insane. Habs the first team in NHL history to record less than 18 shots and three consecutive playoff games. They've been outshot 136 to 65 in the four games, 43 shots on goal and 197 minutes, 35 seconds of game time over the last three games and average of 13.1 shots for 60. That's the fewest shots per 60 minutes by an NHL team over any three games been regular or postseason since shots were first tracked in 55, 56 first time they lost three straight since November 15th. Absolute buzz. Sorry. I know people talk about March. I played more a little tie. But we got to get full props to what Carolina is doing. Looking for the third, I'm sorry, third Stanley Cup appearance of all time and franchise history. So boys, awesome job of putting Cassie there with great question. You had their phone about, you know, how Vegas is handling the situation. I thought you guys are great there. And it's kind of ironic. We went from getting coaches fights and getting coaches. Hi, Aaron's chicken. It looks like. Yeah. Biz says we might be flipping. We might do the complete heel turn and be a coaches podcast. We might never get a current player to come on ever again, but that's, well, that's our age now. All our friends are coaches. I know. No shit. All right. We were. It's not all right. Yeah. What the hell? It doesn't look like Barton. It's fucking identical. You've got moises, a Lou fucking staring at him. Was it a Felipe Lou? What a Lou was that? What are you doing? Moses, that Lou, yeah. Oh, these shit. We talked a lot of canes and I mean, what can you say? Like Merp quickly had mentioned about Montreal. I guess the question from Montreal for me is, yeah, young Demodov is going to be incredible. The Hudson's already incredibly have two young goalies. They do have, they are smaller and merged the size guys. So they probably need a little size now. This other Russian that's coming, who I believe is like on pace with, with, um, Demodov's numbers. Is it is a rough ski or something? Then they have a, they have the W.H.L. defenseman of the year. I can't think of his name right now. So they have crazy prospects, but in terms of playoffs and get to the next level, maybe they're looking to get a little bigger. I mean, Goulet's pretty big on the back end, Carrier's small, Hudson's small, but that's, that's whatever. It's Lane Hudson, even though in Morales world, that doesn't count. But I'm wondering about size for them, because you see like the length on Carolina, and they're not huge up front, but at least defensively they are, Bryce Pickford, W.H.L. Demand of the year. So that's another guy coming. Yeah. I think they've definitely overachieved as she had people didn't, you know, a lot of people didn't even have them to play off. Yeah, the little, little smaller overall, but I think just the experience is great. I think, I'm not easily put a lot of people out eating their words after, you know, from when it was high, they would, they kind of pulled poor, even till now. But yeah, I think they just kind of, the games maybe have caught up to them. And again, Carolina, this is a buzz star of a team they've been working like, I think, like eight years. We're printing more now. And they're finally going to hopefully break through to the finals for that team and that fan base. But yeah, I think the future is bright for Montreal, man. What they have for prospects, they certainly look like they have a number and goal in Dolbish. And if you're a happy fan, you know, you got to take the season and be happy with that. I don't see how anybody can be disappointed. I know you're coming this far, but they do look like they're like a little bit spent by at the stage. When they were yelling, shoot the puck, I was like, they don't even have the puck. Yeah. They're supposed to shoot it. Yeah, you need bullets in the gun to defy the gun. They are not to mention the goalies are a, yeah, all right. I want to talk goalies. When you could you just brought them up. You got their goalie for the future, Dolbish. But they, I mean, the top goalie prospect, maybe in the world is Fowler. I know. Yeah. What are they going to do about all that? I think Fowler's their guy someday. I still think it. I agree. It's a great problem to have, right? Right? Morales. You'd rather have too many good goalies than not enough. And, you know, I think we'll probably see some more stats out of Fowler this next season, 26, 27 season. And then, you know, I think it's one of those things you just kind of deal with it as it comes. I mean, he's still unproven at the professional lab, the NHL level, rather follow. But, yeah, it's a good problem to have. Too much goal ten in depth. Never a bad thing. You know, look at the broans. I mean, over the last, you know, 15 years or whatever, you know, they've always seemed to have a goalie in the pipeline, whether he makes it to Boston is a different story. But, yeah, it's a good, it's a good problem. I think trade one of them. I was telling you, dare trade, dobish right now is not going to get it higher and get a big dog. Not yet. I agree with R.A. Like, and it's funny. It's funny. You got to ride them out there. Hello, brought out the, hello to the flame, which was, I mean, interesting choice. He did have that one run where people are like, oh, keep him. Trade carry price. And they let it play out. It wasn't like they traded a lock right after that playoff season. So, they probably should have though. They would have gone a lot more for him. That's what I'm saying. If you trade dobish now, price had already played enough in the NHL where you're like, yeah, this guy is incredible. Right now, it's a lock. But, I, I love Fowler and I do think he's going to be incredible. But, I don't know. That'd be, that'd be a hard one right now. You're saying what you could get back for him? Yeah. Absolutely. I think dobish's stock is as high as it's ever going to be after this playoff run. Interesting. Obviously, Jacob Fowler has won at every single level he has ever played at. He always plays good. They didn't win in college. I love, I love Jacob Fowler. And I think, I think you go get a center of this offseason. I think you use dobish. Goals are a hot commodity right now, guys. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think they always are. In R.A., we're even talking about Montreal being a head of schedule, like, you got their road. to where they are right now playing Carolina was a lot harder than Carolina's. They went game seven, they've been into a bunch of over times. Like they're proven that they're going to be a playoff team for a long time. And like we said earlier, too, they're ahead of schedule and nobody in Montreal should be disappointed in the way that this team is performed this year. And you know, Carolina, they haven't, you know, got to the final yet. But if assuming they do, man, I think this should be a fan. It's going to be a fantastic matchup if it isn't even Carolina Vegas. Like, you know, I see people already in it's Twitter, take it with a pound of salt. Not even a grain about, you know, the matchup and the ratings and both. It's like, bro, like these two teams have both buzz sawed their way. Well, again, Carolina put in the cotton in front of the horse a little bit here. But I think this is a dynamite matchup, man. And Carolina right now looking at the odds marbles on draft kings. They're minus 145 to win the cup right now. Vegas plus 130. So that, I mean, that's how you're right now. Vegas is going to be an underdog going into this. Well, funny enough, it's crazy. Funny enough is that I get, and I think halfway through the year, I might have been Jeff on our group chat was like, oh, Carolina, Vegas or in the playoffs. Carolina Vegas probably not great for ratings. People always also said the same thing about Carolina Edmonton in '06. And it was one of the best cup finals. I remember it went to game seven. Like, I think Carolina Vegas will be incredible. I do wonder, and I'm sorry, Montreal fans. Like, they're not winning three in a row. So at some point you got to talk about this. But Carolina playing Vegas that they are playing the Florida teams. They lost to, right? That is, it's as close as can. So we're going to get, we're going to get the answer. Because right now, it's like, oh, Ottawa, Philly and fucking, Montreal, they're not what you couldn't get through before. In big, strong, mean teams. And they're going to face one. So it's like, can, can they, if they can get by it, then you could never say a bad word about Carolina ever again. Obviously, their cup chance, but they'll have done it by beating a team that they just could never get past before. Because this Vegas team in Florida last year, I don't really see much difference. Do you think Vegas is as mean as Florida? I think there is. Maybe not as mean dirty. Yeah, yeah, they're not as dirty. But they're, they're fucking big and physical. And like, I go bark off kind of the same. And then the D are similar. And Mariner, Reinhardt, you know, it's a lot of abilities. Like McNabs, McNabs of Florida Panthers, the fans, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, real quick to dispel the Carolina TV ratings with Suck Rumor, the game two of Flyers versus Carolina, had 2.3. I know, but I think that's Philly. It's the most, it's the most watched second round game ever. That can't all be from Philly, Delphi. Yeah, you're right. You know, you're right. No, 100%. And I don't think we give Kaine's fans enough credit. The passion down there is incredible. I just think that it's the rest of the country, right? That is tuning in a lot, I think, with Philly and being back in. Then it is the rest of the country tuning into Carolina, playing Vegas. We'll see when the ratings come out after. But all right, I'm with you. I think it's going to be a great series. Carolina, Carolina's been way more fun to watch in this series against Montreal than the past two series. But so I'd almost put that more on Philly and Ottawa because I was down on Carolina and now I can't wait to watch them play Vegas. Okay, you flipped. A flip. It's a piggyback on your point, gee, like I think one of the highest rated games all playoffs was Buffalo Montreal game six. The one we got Saturday night live. Yes, Saturday night prime time, rather. And you know, that's a team from another country. So the fact that so many people in the States watch, you know, again, not even accounting for the Canadian ratings. Yeah, I again, we obviously want higher ratings. But the end of the day, it doesn't affect, it doesn't affect us. I don't care at all. I truly, I, yeah, I want high ratings. But if you, if you give us a great cup final, I don't care if other people aren't watching it. Yeah, updated comments. Mike Lads, Mitch Miner right now plus 165. Still the chocolate. Freddie plus 250. Taylor Hall, six to one. Stan Cove and plus 950. Carter hot all the way down to 12 to one. It was 80 to one. I think two three weeks ago. Blake 15 to one. I call 16 to one. So how is I call it? I don't want that. Yeah, they're crazy. He says second and points. I mean, if he goes off, you know, in the, in the, in the Stanley Cup final, outscore is minor by a vast, you know, the difference. Man, you know, they're saying that right there. If you said much else minus 140 right now in the cup. Carolina's, sorry, Carolina's minus 140 to win the cup. 145 if you want to bend on the cup. And what is Vegas plus 130 to one? So you think that that, that will stay the same. Or is there any part of their still playing? Well, Carolina should get bigger once they, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's crazy. So, yeah, I mean, they could be like a seven, eight, eight, nine favor to him. Murls. Yeah, like last night, you could get Vegas to beat Carolina plus 210. Because Carolina obviously wasn't in yet. If you go on that now, it's, you can take Vegas to beat Carolina plus 140. Because there's still one game away with that. That's the way you want to do it if you're betting Vegas. Yeah, if Taylor Hall wins the cup and the consmith, he's obviously already got the MVP. He's got almost 800 points. Say he gets another hundred and 150. Is he a Hall of Famer? I mean, yeah, if you have an MVP, a cup and a consmith, I feel like that should be like the, the auto bid. Yeah, like, all right, yeah, just look at those three things. I was thinking last night watching the game that I've had a lot of like good, good friends and guys I played with that are so happy for that they won the cup. All the guys in Pittsburgh when I was traded, Halls, he'd be right up there in terms of like, he's such a great guy and like he went through a lot. Like you forget about his lay his knee injury and all the different teams. He was on Buffalo for a year and then he's, it didn't work out in Edmonton. And all these things have to be like, that'd be a guy. I'd be so fucking happy for if he got a person up ring. We saw him in Chicago at the bar stool office. I think he's ready to quit hockey. I think he might have said it in the little interview. Oh, boys, I don't know how much time left in this league. He's running around killing people, scoring big goals. Yeah, he hasn't been burying people. I'll play off. Wait, wait, wait, real quick. That's just a great twin, this and I just want to bring this up. Ryan Evan Bouchard just got knocked out cold. I saw that. I think Ryan Linger in knocked him out. And Frank Saravelli is reporting that Bouchard actually had some pretty bad concussion issues at the end of the playoff. So this is, it doesn't seem like this is good at all. So I've seen that and then I thought it was came out to not be true. But because I'm because I'm like, if it came up, when it came out after that Bouchard was like, can cost in the Anaheim series. I don't think he'd be going to the world. Right. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was doing. To another fan at a right now after two periods. Who scored? Celebrini had an absolute snipe in the first period on the P.P. And the second goal was from Dylan on a hallway. Sorry. No one can congrats. The Freddie enters into it. He's got five playoff shutouts with Caroline and the most in team history. 11 and one with the one four four goals against 98% in his three shutouts. Needless to say leads the NHL playoffs right now. So good stuff coming from Freddie. Shifting gears. What, you know, we talked about a little while back. The project Hail Mary. You know, you would start at the theater. I started IMAX. I watched it again the other the other night. I liked it even better the second time. I don't know if you guys. I know it's this time. This is the catch up time. What movies and shows we haven't ever see. I watched again. But what Ryan Gosling does essentially he acts across from a puppet to be able to be that charismatic and funny and convincing. Thought it was good stuff. Yeah, I want to give that an extra shout out. If anyone hasn't seen it yet, Keith, you'd like it, I think. I saw an IMAX loved it. And I saw that my vote on on TV. So we'll probably I'll watch that with the kids soon as well. Because they loved it in the theater. So yeah. I mean, the TV's are so good. Now it is like you're not losing too much, right? Yeah, when I get the lights off at the TV, we got in the living room pump up. Yeah, great. Sonos. Just with the quality of Netflix. I mean, you just can't beat it either, right? Oh, nothing better. You are a fucking veteran, Murr. Let me tell you just actually just finished. I talked about running point season two. Checked out if you're looking for a great show that that flies by the one with Kate Hudson. She plays the owner of a fictional basketball team. Good stuff. Given that world, but I started watching that spider in wild last night with Nick Cage. No, it's it's a it's the latest spider man, you know, comic book that been turned into a TV show. Unbelievable stuff. Like it's you could watch it in color or black and white. You could like click between each each version while you're watching it. But it's just kind of like that 19, like 20s, 30s, like rainy New York, like black and white, like Nick Cage. He said basically he was like channel and Humphrey Bogot and Bugs Bunny for this role. But if you if you're into the Spider-Man stuff so far, so good. I watched a couple of ups. Another great documentary. You guys have ever seen probably the movie Platoon with Charlie Sheen back stable. Yeah, well, it's a phenomenal documentary. It's called Brothers and Arms. Fantastic stuff. Give that a whirl. It's just a real deep dive on, you know, how they made the movie. Like with all of us don't put these guys through. How they all did bootcamp with with the real bootcamp and structure and stuff. But yeah, just a phenomenal look into how a movie is made. And my classic recommendation for the week. It's available right here on Netflix. It's true romance from 1993. It was written by Quentin Tarantino directed by the late Tony Scott. Christian Slater plays this kind of like slacker who comes across a big bag of drugs and is trying to get rid of them. Patricia I kept plays his sidekick but it's got an unreal cast. Val Kilma Gary Oldman Dennis Hoppe Brad Pitt Chris Walk and Sam Jackson. If you guys I'm someone one of you guys will be seeing it. Never seen it. It's my wife's favorite movie, I believe. No, okay. Nice. So what you must have seen it. Obviously it's your wife's favorite. Which is a couple of times. Great, great show. Yeah, not sure is it on Netflix now? I'm not sure. No, I double checked before I gave it for the right. the week out. Absolutely. I get it. Good one. Good one. I just watched on Netflix is the saint of second chances. It's about like the old the the owner of the Chicago White Sox had no clue about them. That's it. That's a good easy watch fun. Like a lot of stuff that baseball does now that they were doing back then that the other owners hated like, you know, fireworks going off during when a home run was hit and stuff like that. Like just the way that they've kind of transformed the game that a lot of stuff is used now. That had some shit go down on the way on the way up. Yeah. Bill Vick, right? It was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then his son. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting character from baseball history. But uh, murals. He's a peg leg. He had a peg leg. Really? Yeah. All right. Is you are you the one who posted the video of the woman who was getting pulled over for being on her phone in the cops like you were holding your phone in your right hand. And then she didn't have a right hand. I posted her on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was so fun. That was so wild. Like he said, like, at first off, like a cop saying he had pulled his shirt, a swear to God. That's not like a legal precedent for that. Like, you don't get to swear on God that like to get a ticket hand to God. She put the right one up and then he goes, uh, can you do it with the other? Yeah. It almost looked like a skit. Nowadays, you can't be too careful. Like, you know, look, everything's like seen people doing content or tricks. But yeah, that was a pretty wild one. I need us to say I think it was dismissed the next day because she somehow got the, the, what do you call it? The, not the dash cam, the body camera footage. But yeah, I have no hand to hold the phone. You said I was holding said phone with, and I guess she's like a, like a power liftoe. She's like a weightlifter. She's like a, like an athlete, you know, and the world of disabled athletes. I'm not sure the proper terminology. But yeah. So she's like, there's some clips of her lift away. She's, she's a, she's strong as an ox. But yeah, that was a pretty, wild, pretty wild clip off the murals. I wanted to ask you, uh, NBA, if you follow in it, you've been getting the action on it. Who do you like? Uh, nothing. I have nothing on the NBA. It's, it's just, it's been just an awful product. I know the Nick swept, which is nice. And then I, I used to be a San Antonio spurs from the days when me and yay. Rampage laid for them. And they were, they were the owners of our team. But, uh, no, I don't follow anything. Okay. C's going to probably win it all again. I, I don't, I've been, uh, open about the basketball and the NBA and what I think of it. But I was the guy ranting and raving a couple of years back. If not, last year that McDavid was better at his sport than anyone else was at their sport. And then we kind of said, I think Otoni might have that, but the alien on the spurs, I clicked on, I think it might even game one of this series against. Okay, C, because it ended right after one of the hockey games. It is, it is bizarre. He's, he, he kind of moves around like he six feet tall, but he's, what is he? Seven, four. And then he shoots threes and doesn't look like tall guys like that. Like, remember Sean Bradley, like, people used to call him. He shot Bradley when I was three and a grade. Like, they didn't really move well. Then this guy is, he's, he, I guess the alien is the perfect nickname for him. I do think though, maybe I'll get crushed by NBA people on this. When you talk about how many rebounds he gets, I'm not, I'm not very impressed. Like the rebound thing is, he's just, he's seven, four. So obviously the rebound aspect, it hits the rim and he's just reaching up and grabbing it. The points, it knots, the threes, the dribbling at that height. I'm not, you're not going to get me on like, oh, you're 24 rebounds. I do. It's kind of like, but there's other seven footers he's going against. Like it's not that easy. I would have. I putty's, he's got four or five inches on them. Yeah. That's, it's the fluidity of his play. Like you said, to see a guy that tall and that's Linda, like, yeah, you think I'm a new bowl of Sean Bradley, but just, he just so goddamn smooth. And he's pulling up from, from the logo and, and swapping all. He wears a 20 and a half size shoe granelli 20 and a half. I did see an article. It was on vacation that apparently he's big into, like, he went and studied at like a, uh, where, where monks are. What is that? A monastery? Monastery? How do you say that, all right? Monastery. Monastery about mind body connection. And like, he seems like super dedicated to his craft, which makes sense based on how good he is. But yeah, I don't, I don't. What was Shack's shoe? Remember they used to have that and I had a locker store and you, yeah, I had, I had one shack Orlando Magic Reebok. And I was 22, size 22, size 22. And did you see that and rode a Cuba with, with an Oh, that's, I figured you. Did you see when me when they were getting beat the other night and he got subbed out of the game and he, like, whispered to the two guys going in, like, I don't know what he said, but the two guys just took two hard fouls. So he's got some dog in him too. He's, he's a competitive son of a bitch. Yeah, I'll give, I'll definitely give that a look when they start right now. Morals to Oklahoma City similar to the, to the cup, they're already minus 145. The next plus 210 San Antonio plus 550. Of course, the West hasn't been decided yet. So, yeah, just in indicates, okay, okay, so you'll be a huge favor. And plus, I saw Titus at bar stool. I saw a clip of him saying that okay, he's like the worst thing to ever happen to basketball. And I don't, I don't really know what that was about. Do you guys know that? It's like SGA flopping. He's like, it gets to the line all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I run it. I mean, it's, I mean, Steph, you know, I'm a Larry Bird guy, but it's that's the best shoe of all time, not the best score of all time, but certainly the best shooter. But the ironic thing is that, that forever all to the NBA, because it just became a three point league after that. Everybody thought they were Stefan. You know, I mean, it works for some teams, not for others, but it's kind of like, you know, as good as it is good as he's been for the league and, you know, the exposure. It's also always fight that though, because they moved that line in. They moved that three point line in. And that's what they started doing it. Yeah. Remember, it used to be way back from the college line. Now it's kind of, they made it like almost in between. Or did they? I don't know about that. Oh, let's do it. They moved the NBA. Michael Jordan was playing at a different length. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're right. I don't think I did it years ago. Not wrong often, Keith. I'm telling you, beware. Like I'm going to say, the NBA three point line has not removed, has not moved and remains that it's original distance 23 feet, nine inches. That a, I don't know. I feel like that was a big thing. No, murals. You know, who hit the very first three pointer in NBA history, a little trivia flyer? Larry bird. No, good, good guess. One of his teammates, Chris Ford, former Salted and eventually was a coach as well. Yeah, little trivia flyer. Well, either way, we got the finals and bolts, but it's coming up great time of the year. Summer's coming. And boys, uh, yeah, pretty much wraps up what we got here in our race world. Any other questions? Fire off, but otherwise, who do the cubs got tonight? Well, this half for you. I think they're at the pirates, I believe. All right. Everyone always appreciate. Thank you to Bruce Cassidy. Thank you to Justin Williams. I think tomorrow night, we're going to have our cup final set and we'll be excited. We'll be previewing that and discussing all that. All right. Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. And uh, Charlottes Pizzo on a, on a PJ with Wayne Gretzky. What a life. We will see you guys all Monday. Love you all as you were. You [BLANK_AUDIO]