Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 648: Featuring Jeff Gorton

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That's okay. That's okay. I don't mind that. As long as we get him in, we can keep him in. I think AI. We've got to get him to sign on. That's that's the big thing. But I guess we start, we start with last night, the most recent events and Vegas. Boys Mitch Mariner. Oh, baby. He currently just quickly before I throw it over to one of you guys. This is the one I wanted to mention. He leads the playoffs in points plus minus takeaways from a forward. Short-handed assists, short-handed points and wins. I guess obviously because, you know, that's the biggest that's the biggest that one's with nine wins. I can't believe McCartan play. Biz, where do you kind of want to start it? It's just, is it, it's not panic time yet? Is it for Colorado one game? Right? That's it. If there's no McCart, this series, they're done. First of all. And like, just watching them and like, you know, Bluntman's obviously got me on the train, right? Like, he's been so pro, Vegas. He's like, look out here. Nutty for bloody. Nutty, that's what you're, that's the new term. Yeah. Or itchy for itchy. We're nutty for Bluntty. We're tanning for torts. But like, the first couple games of playoffs, like, even that first series, like, you could see Carter Hart finally finding his rhythm. Boys, he's fucking locked and loaded right now. He has dialed in. So they got the goal tending. That back end, man, like, Hanuffin, Anderson, McNab, Dylan Cogler, like, they're just, that's a fucking nice back end. They got a perfect balance of everything. And man, like, all these guys that you don't really hear about, like the Colton Sizzans, like the, all these role players they got, they're, they're fucking unbelievable. They're unbelievable. Doud, look at Doud's night last night, winning that draw to solidify thing. So they got all things clicking. And then obviously the superstars are being the superstars. So I, I think that if there's no macar on the avalanche side, boys, I think this could end in fucking six games. I thought the, the first half of the game, I did like Colorado's game. But my biggest gripe with Colorado is they're not really getting around the net enough. Like, they're not getting those second cracks. They're not disrupting enough. And it's a credit to the D for Vegas, man. They're protecting the house quite a bit. And also a shit ton of block shots for Vegas as well, man. So credit to them in the way they came out. Half way through the game when it was zero, zero, you kind of knew like, oh, no, here they're, they're going to figure out a way to get a greasy one here in which they did, which is a bad goal by a wedge wood. But after that, I just had no confidence in Colorado. I mean, that's the first half. I thought like obviously the third period, Colorado really got cooking. It seemed like they found their game in the third. I mean, they made it three, two, but they were way more active in the offensive zone and controlling the pace. I thought in the third, like the first period, I gave that to Vegas. Yeah, the first five minutes, Colorado was always. Yeah, I felt like the best chance they got was the colizar breakaway, right? Vegas in the first period. And then aside from that, I didn't see much threat where I felt like like heart had to make a few big stops early. Did was there a breakaway for Colorado in the first as well? I thought that they had well. O'Connor hit the crossbar. That's what it was. That's what it was. So, um, but overall, I mean, it's not like it's not like Colorado played bad. I just feel like like Vegas is. I don't think Vegas is not intimidated by Colorado. And it's just, you know, you've got a guy who's the best one of the best. If not the best five on five defenseman in the world. I think that's why so far in these playoffs, Taves is number one. Then McCarr is number two at what all the analytics show. But as we know, because like McCarr hasn't been a burner as far as the offensive output. I think he's got one assist these playoffs. The four goals to go with it. But I mean, it's more about what he can do five on five to prevent things. He's a one man breakout. And I mean, Merl's, I think you guys touched it on game notes. And the same thing went with Brodeen being out for Minnesota. As all of a sudden, you got guys like like burns and other defenseman having to carry a little bit more ice that is going to expose them against good teams like Vegas. So, uh, it's a brutal brutal loss. Like, to me, way more impactful than Vegas missing stone. Like, I know, like, like, people like comparing the injuries. It's not even close here. So I don't know what you guys saw. Yans, I mean, I had a former NHL player yesterday. Tell me an insane hot take. And then I thought about it. I disagreed with them. He's like, I think I like Vegas's game better when stone is in playing. I was just going to say that. He's like, they're faster, they're faster and he was, he, it sounds like that's disrespectful to the captain and an incredible hockey player. And what his top numbers are and what he does in big games. Like, he was mainly kind of saying it as just like their team speed different. But Merl, before I go to you, you're our avsky. I just want to ask Keith quick. You see tapes running the power play now for Colorado. Great player, man. Like, honestly, like a number one to a number two defenseman on a Stanley Cup team. But up top on the umbrella, it's the lateral movement he doesn't have. That nobody else has really besides Quinn Hughes. That you just can't, he really can't get those lanes. Like, McCarl, take that quick step right and just snap one through where tapes is more stationary. Yeah, you can just tell to it. It slows Vegas's PK down a little bit where they don't have to chase, get out of sorts. Like, they can, they can almost give him lanes. They can go with him a lot easier than when it's McCarl. You don't know whether he's walking the shoot, walking in pass, walking to come down down the lane to shoot. So it's one of those things where they're almost just left. him get the middle and then make a pass out wide to, I mean, Nate, he was giving it to Nate a ton and giving it to Nate and then they were able to set up their PK by that. So I think missing him on the power play. Obviously, when you're missing a guy like McCarrer's huge, but I think for Taves to really, you know, get that power play going, he's just got to bomb some shots, get some shots through because he's not able to walk the line and make plays like McCarrer is. So I think for him, it's just settling it down and ripping pucks, trying to get rebounds, trying to get Vegas off their game a little bit, not of their structure, but it's, it's one of those things, man. I think if McCarrer's 30%, you got to play him. You got to find a way to get him in. We saw him skating around. He was shooting some pucks, obviously, not very hard, but just his presence. If he's able to get back there and make some breakout passes five on five and then on the power play, even just, just to be able to walk that line and open up lanes, which will ultimately, you know, get them a better power play situation because, you know, Taves, obviously, he's a power play guy, but he hasn't been that guy on that first unit. He doesn't know when guys want it, where guys want it as much as McCarrer does. Yeah, timing's important. Going back to the bomb up top, I agree with you. Vegas ability to get in shot lanes and block shots is like, that's top tier. So maybe not as easy as you'd think, but they got a lot of guys willing to sacrifice the body, whether it's up top or even closer to the net, like, fronting shots. Murr, what did you see, brother? Yeah, to stay on tapes. He looked a little hesitant to me to on the power play because it isn't his normal group. He got it and he like, ah, and he would give it back to McKinnon kind of in a panic, where McCarrer takes it and does a lot there. I mean, I watched the game this morning. So I apologize to Ab's fans because when I did watch it this morning, I didn't even wear the jersey. So that's on me. It changed it honestly. Did you know the outcome? No, I lock my phone down. It's on me because I told you how I split the game putting on the jersey the other night. So I will stay up next game or I will sleep in the jersey. I was just asleep in it. Yeah, it's going on. Yeah, maybe a selfie video. Yeah, a good night. Ab's fans. I got you today. We go, but you can't lose next game, Murr. Do the way you could enjoy it. Just a shirt. No pants. Oh, it makes me focus on the game more. It's nice, though, because I'm not checking Twitter. I'm not checking live bets. I'm not texting the groups. I was dialed in on this game. And yes, the first five minutes, the apps were there, but then it then it switched. And I was like, Oh, man, this Vegas team, I look back at the D like you guys talked about, Hannah, Finn, the door. It was like exhibition to them all season. Now it's time to go. Like, these guys are men. I used the reference on my tweet. I said, it's like the Omnia nightclub that we went to when Vegas got the cup. You can't move around in the D zone, but it almost extends to the neutral zone. There's not nearly the space that you normally see Colorado swirling around, nature's flying through a thousand miles per hour through the neutral zone. That wasn't there. So major major concerns with that part of the game. Obviously, the macar things a big, big concern. Merge, you agree in a sense of like, like Colorado, even around the net, like they don't penetrate the middle enough. And they looked a little timid where it's like, fuck, even when the score was at a hand, like, get in there in the minute that a fucking Vegas D gets his hands up, start something. You got to, if you're the avalanche, you have to establish that you're not afraid of that back end and going to the hard areas. And they got big guys to do it. And I felt like they were shining like, like, hands like the cadre thing. Everyone. He kind of like, like, yeah, like, you know, got pushed over pretty easy. Maybe he was trying to draw one, but that ain't the play to me. I don't think especially him. This is not, that's not Colorado's game. It hasn't been all year. Well, there's, you got to come outside your comfort zone. I agree. I agree. But I think that's easier said than done when they're high flying. They're never out of games. There's not much nonsense to their game. And all of a sudden, I would say Vegas is way more willing to just kind of be pricks. I don't know, like, I see their fourth line at least. We know that. Yeah. And this organization just through villains. And we'll get into the coaching thing in a little bit with Cassidy, but Merr. Yeah, it's obviously, and you, I remember you playing through this in Woke spare when we were playing together, the shoulder got dislocated. That has to be McCart now. We're playing doctor here, but based on the way he reacted, what was the hit against Minnesota in game five? It was, it was who hit him? Was it Johansson? It was nothing, though. And he kind of, it looked like the shoulder, the one where it popped out. It looked like it, it re aggravated or was like a original energy. I think that was not there. I think something had happened prior. And that was just another one where it looked like the reason I asked that is because it wasn't like that heart of the hit. No, and here's the thing that's crazy to me is like, what was it? Was it six days? Did they have off? Yeah. If you're not ready to go six days, that's where I'm like, is he even going to play? Now, you're skating. So obviously, so it's, it's like, all right, well, let's hold them out game one. Hopefully we win. He goes in if we lose, but if he wasn't ready for game one, it's like, all right, well, we're not going to have anywhere near full health. And that's, that's the panic now. Yes. So if it is that injury, if we're going to speculate on it, yeah, when my shoulder popped out, it was in the fight with eager Pittsburgh versus Philly. Oh, yeah. And I had two weeks off. And we're doing the rehab. You try to, you try to build the muscles up around it. So it doesn't, the pan, where it doesn't pop out is easily. But once it starts popping out, it can just keep popping out. You go in the room. He knocks it back in and you come back out. You have the Hannibal Lecter. Thick brace that keeps it there. There was another brace with a string under here. So you can only raise your arm about that high. I couldn't take like a full clapper. It would stop there for a half clapper. It's supposed to keep it in there. But maybe that's what they're trying to do is like, all right, we had six days off. If we get 10 days off of rehab, then he'll be stronger for the rest of the run would be my guess if it is that injury. But I mean, I couldn't learn just I'm totally speculating here. But based on the reaction to that hit many, I wish I remember who it was. It was, it just looked like it was, it was right. But it was nothing. It was nothing. It was a little bump. And that, you know, with, if that is the injury, anything can really make it happen. Yeah. My video was on YouTube when eager beat beat me up. And you see me going to the penalty box like this. That exact way. That's a tough guy to fight. This is the best way. This is the best part is a quickly off topic. Terry and left murals line on the ice as Eager's line went out there and they'd had a long ship. So Marin is mine's like, oh, he wants me to fight. I know this guy. I've had him in Wilkes Bear. I'll go eager and immediately that was basically the end of the NHL career mark. Yeah. That was it. Smart play, Matt. Well, at least you got two, three more weeks of NHL pay, right? I got the rest of the year because I had to get surgery. Hurricane rights. Good investment. Well, not after it wasn't before they tried sending you down. You're like, no, no, no. I'm not going down with this. I'm getting surgery. I get my whole paycheck all year since we're on the Macar topic. Listen, like, is it a con? Is that how you say his last name? Jack, a con. The demon that's filling in for the little left. Yeah. He does fly. But like, defensive zone shifts where he's trying to box guys out in front of the net. I'm like, I don't know if that's going to work all series long here. You guys don't have a bigger seventh defenseman around. Like, is like, can you get McDermott back just to stand there and box guys out? Am I crazy? That was Utah or one of these other Minnesota, some of their smaller guys, but So I tweeted out, well, first, the Dylan Coggen called pretty cool story. Yeah. You know, he hadn't scored a goal in the NHL since 2021. He has been kind of like all over the place. Then Vegas signs him this year. I guess McCrimman told them, Hey, you're going to be our number one guy in Henderson and look what happens. It's like, all of a sudden, you're in the line-up and you score the biggest goal of your career. Get up one nothing. He can move and merge. Shout out, Vegas insider. Our guy makes on-game notes with you. He called them out. And I'm sure people listening were like, who what is this guy talking about right now? Look at me right there. Look at that look. Look at that fit. He's like a more sober R.A. That D-man who's gotten called up. That's an X factor. That guy is a good skater fast. I know they're trying to, my guess is they're trying to lock him up. They don't want him to go to free agencies. A younger guy as they try to ref configure that D area, but he's going to get a lot of minutes, I think. I just love hearing makes his voice for anyone who's like, who is that? That's our guy. He owns a limousine company in Vegas. Look up. He looks like he owns a limousine company. So that's a, I mean, I'm going to say this though, I think Wedgewood has to save that. It's on the ice five hole. Maybe I'm wrong there. I mean, if it's on the ice five hole, no screen. Probably one you want back. And then we get the Mariner magic. And Mariner, it's just, I don't even know how he sees him, let alone gets it to him. It's way out in front of them. And I think after the game in the interview, he said, like, I just try crazy stuff all summer. And that's why you'll see me doing crazy things in games. Love that kid. Like, oh, she said, oh, she said that the other day, when we were talking to him, it's like, you try this crazy shit in the summer. And you never know when it's going to work out. And one mixed tape. He's like the new, he's hot sauce. Yeah. From the and one mixed table white chocolate or white chocolate, he had to see him so early. like in the play and then, okay, I'm doing all this. Maybe he's on that route and that's chemistry. Boom right now. - No, you could. Cause he kind of, he lost the puck for a little bit, but you could see him look to see where Doraphia was. If he had had it on his stick, he would have made the play earlier, but he had to hustle, get it, make that long play. It was such an unbelievable play. Heads up play and I'm sure Doraphia was yelling for it and unbelievable. The whole entry, like Eichel, a lot of the times, like Eichel, or some guys would have got the red just rimmed it. He made a play to hurdle. Then hurdle makes a little bump play to the middle to mariner and then it's like, it's just little things that this team does where they're not phased by anything. They're not gonna panic and dump pucks in even on the road. Like they make the plays when they're there and it's not high risk either. It's plays that they know that their players can go and get. - And it seemed like he'd just try to like flick it over cause he had a back tracker and then the D-man, there was that little gap in between. So he was obviously just trying to flick it over to keep possession, but it got away from him a little bit. But the fact that he just like reached for it and like just did the fucking loop de loop around and got it to him. The guy's got eyes in the back of his head. And right now, like along with like confidence and like I would say playing with the Houses Monday, everybody who is doubting him is clearly like, oh, fuck, this guy can actually fucking go and play. I'll see you just need a team around him. That's why I'm so confident that this team's gonna roll over the abs and I don't know, man, I think that they're gonna fucking end up hoisting it. - Isn't it crazy that like every time he touches the pucks, they're still talking about Toronto. It's like, let's fucking end it. The guy's in Vegas, he's not in Toronto anymore. - I actually don't want to end it because I see certain tweets like where a couple weeks away from him raising the cup and winning the cons might in his first year gone. - Yeah, I don't think we're going to his cup part. - By the way, abs fans are probably losing their god damn mind right now. They're down one nothing and we're giving all nights the stand. - And we're going to be fair like abs fans, we're like, ah, like they were fucking all over me when I said coin toss on the desk at TNT where I'm like, you guys think you're just gonna roll over this team and everyone did. They were minus 260, I think, to win. - That was crazy. - Right? - Dude, it's great point. Last night, they were being very, very bitchy to me. They're very whiny to witty at all. Like shut up, shut up, we had eight days. I was like, whoa, whoa, you guys said you were going to run over this team. This was this and a certain abs fans have reached out like, that's not, that's not all of us. That's not the main. - It's a lot of them. - Yes, that's what I agree. They were like, oh, oh, very specific division. I'm like, I don't know, this team's different. And I was one of those people. I was one of those, those fools that was like, yeah, this team was pathetic all year. While something's switched, torts comes in, hearts figured it out. Now, the third goal, Brett Hauden. This guy makes two and a half million for five more years. - Oh, no. - How the fuck did they get him to sign that contract? - RAs is agent. - Oh, that's right. - Yeah, he represents Hauden. - This is one of the agents listening and he's like, my guy is so good, my guy is a gamer, but then I'm probably gonna get called out a little bit for this contract. Now, his numbers, he had nine playoff goals in his previous 43 playoff games. He has nine and 13 this year. He leads the playoffs or does Dorfee have 10 now? Are they tied with nine or Dorfee have gone for four hours? - Dorfee have leads. - So Dorfee have is probably gonna get God knows. I saw Jeff Merrick tweet in the Euler, somehow got to get. - Offer sheet. - Here we go. - Get their first round, pick back from San Jose and offer sheet pocket Dorfee have, but he's gone. He's gone. - Boys, is Whit worse than me bringing things back to the Euler's than I used to bring things back to the leaves? - Didn't he say he's done with the Euler's too? - Yeah, I took that back. I took that back. I'm not exactly a man of my word on this show. I try to be in real life, but this is fake chiklet's life. So often I'm just, you guys understand. You guys understand? - Merrick. - Hauden, how did boys, to get your stick on that after whacking it with your hand? That's a lot tougher than I think it looks because it's moving pretty quick. You're flying and you just boom, banks it in three, nothing. I said game and all of a sudden it's three, two. I was like, oh, I almost portnoyed this. - His body was completely behind the net when he put that in. Yeah, it's an empty cage like how he scored it, but the fact that he was able to score that. That's a tough goal to score. A majority of the time you stick hit on the post or whatever, so unbelievable goal by him. But Merrick, I got something for you for the road team to win the first game of the conference finals. Our 57.9% to win the series. So a little nugget for you there. - Wow. - Got a question for you guys. How many guys on the Vegas team played last night? Were drafted by the Vegas Golden Knights. - Two. - Zero. - Doraphiev maybe, one. - I think that one too. - Doraphiev. - Yeah. - Has that ever happened? - What was mother fuckers? - No, I don't know. - This is Phil and this is fuckers. - Couple of clicks for Bluntty. He said, he's like, something's coming from Mitch in the group chat in the second period and something did. And then Merrick, I'll throw it back to you. He said that the best line in playoffs right now, you could argue it's the boys over in Carolina, but howden, yeah, howden, Carlson and Marner, best line in playoffs right now. - I mean, I mean, since this Carlson came back, it's a completely different team. You have him as the number two center instead of, you know, making Marner play there or hurt all the guy couldn't score for 35 games. So he's, he's the like, what do they say? Like the engine of the team, he does it all. When he came back, everything flipped. He plays power play, penalty kill, carrying that line, letting Mitch just focus on playing his wing that he's comfortable in the magic. Yeah, that line's incredible right now. The scariest part about this whole thing is, I had the Vegas last year to win the cup 19 to one for $19,000. And they obviously looked like crap. So I didn't bet them at all this year to win it. And I think I'm gonna take that one to my grave. - I want to look at the highest odds you could have got for them at one point this year. It had to be around there, right? Or maybe when they were struggling towards the end. - 19 to one the lot though. - What is it? - They look awesome. The goalie, Carter Hart looked so safe and calm and he's reading the play. The one pass came across, he's right there. I remember when he came in, when they got drafted, there was scouts telling me that he has the same, like leadership and mentality as Sidney Crosby. Those were exact words from different scouts. That's the way he prepares and what he plans on having his career. Yeah, of course it took some detours along the way we should say. But that guy is dialing, he's getting better every single game as we go along this playoff. - Do people compare him to carry price in the way he moves? Is that the comparison? - Yeah, maybe a little smaller, but I agree with that. He makes everything look really easy. But to murals at this point, I play with him in Philly. I actually sat right next to him in the locker room. He was like from the time he got to the ring till the game was over. He was preparing, getting ready in between periods, doing a stretch and doing his eye routines. Like he is a dialed and goalie, but he's also not just the guy who's worried about making saves. Like you see it on the save that he made on Coddry, the backdoor, like he reads plays. Like he's got a hockey player's mind where it's not just like, okay, I'm standing here to make a save. If you watch him, he's scanning the ice, looking to where other players are. He understands the game really well, which I think helps him make those reads. Does he have a notepad like wedgie? That does all that? - No, I didn't. - Does he write it down? - No, I never saw him write. He's a Western leaguer, so I don't know how good his writing is. - Yeah. - I got a credit torts though, boys, 'cause in that Utah series, there was a few games where like, there was a few bad goals. I think like back-to-back games, I think he let up four. Maybe one game, there was five goals. - Oh, you were saying torts. What did Aiden Hill do to you? - Yeah, that's true. - Well, was either the only one saying that? - No. - Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. No, that's right. Me and I'm like, well, I'm saying, as you have a guy I just want to Stanley Cup as a goal-tender in Aiden Hill with that team who had a great run, and things were looking a little shaky early. That's why I'm giving torts credit where it's like, hey, he didn't defer. Like, he knew exactly what his game plan was. He knew it was Hart's net, and he stuck with him, and now look what he's doing. It's incredible. - So shut up. - I wanted Tannen for torts. I wanted Tannen for torts. I do want to shout out like McCrimmon to go out and get Nick Dowd and Coldsmith, right? And that play Nick Dowd made. I saw a pretty cool tweet mentioning how-- - Was it Mike Kelly? - No, I think it was the guy told for Scott. Talking about Dowd played like all these different juniors, right? I think if NHL, USHL, he goes four years, St. Clouds, spend times in the minors. And then at the end of that game, game one, Western Harvard's finals, he's taken the draw with Jack Eichel on the wing, Mariner on his wing, wins the face off against Brock Nelson and Olympian, and then goes down, and I'm like, oh, icing. All right, they got a chance. All of a sudden, he come flying out of nowhere, and I think the end of the tweet basically said, like, you wonder why coaches love this guy? And they went and added him, and they added Smith, and that fourth line, like, they-- McCrimming knew exactly what he needed to round out this team and Dowd's awesome man He is a hell of a player and he you you could tell he's like loved by the teammates But that was that was all effort to get that because I was I didn't even consider him and all but he flies into the screen and boom Game over so I do wonder for for Colorado Nelson and cadre I I think there's more there Murray you've you watch these guys a lot like a Nelson is gonna have to do something I was giving him the benefit of the doubt the first two series because he was you know Probably playing a more defensive role shutting down stuff But there's no chance they're they're winning this series if he's if he's not on the scorch He's the second line center. He's gonna have to produce as I'm watching that game in the first two periods I'm like how did Anaheim? How did how did um who would they play Utah in the first round? They scored on them how did they score on Vegas? I'm like that you can't score on this team But that being said EBR rule number five is if the home team loses game one you hammer him in game two This is the Colorado avalanche the rid the rid the real number 29 Nate dog By the next time like we're we're hand in Vegas to cop We're so in love with them by the next time we get together on Monday It might be two one abs and we're gonna be going on the cops going back to Denver Nuts the playoffs is it the emotional swings and the highs and lows and you can imagine playing like I remember playing You're like oh my god look great. You lose the world. I think they're way better at staying level headed But I said he it's work, you know one game and everything changes but I'm gonna do some pool exercises You think there's any So I'm gonna get the water wings out you you you mentioned the doubter face-off though and and all We touched on this before the series started like very underwhelmed with Nelson and Codri so far Natuskin finally kind of made his presence felt a little bit last game But in the dot they're getting smoked. I think it was over maybe 60 percent Maybe a little bit over Vegas wasn't the face-off thought so if they keep smoking them and starting with the puck I don't know if that's something that they're used to either. So this is a whole different beast that Colorado is going up against boys Being like Dury seem like Dury was the only one who could win a draw Yeah, that's I Sean McDonough was talking about that before the draw that doubt one to seal the game on the broadcast He was mentioning Dury's like a top 20 all time for the soft guy in the history of the league like his percentage And then he's like he was out on the ice and always getting back on the bench and Nelson's going out and then Nelson loses it I was like it's pretty good for him to bring up like it was a nice little tidbit to hear like wow like Kind of you can't get him out there and then change though It's different than a defensive zone draw right like you're not going to all of a sudden leave it five on five with the goalie Pulled for him to change so I do want to mention I was you're sitting you're saying as then like it's like it's like it's sending Dury out for a D zone draw as a repairman is different than having them with the goalie pulled and like yes You win it and then all of a sudden it's five on five because he's got a race back to the bench And it's a long change in the ozone. Okay. Yeah, it's six on five. He you have to win that face off He can go and stand in front of the net Like Nelson's not producing anyway, so yeah, when it go stand in front if it gets dumped out then change Yeah, and and and and and Vegas seems to be able to trust their fourth liners and role players So maybe that's it. Maybe that's a change they make Rasmus Anderson that is an all-time dive. We've seen a bunch of them Understand have fans being bullshit at that penalty on Ross Colton I mean that's just a little flick of the chin with his fingers on his gloves and That's that's hockey god watch out for hockey god Karma there that was one I was like that's that's I think I think it was Somebody on the group chat was like that's truly pathetic. I'm maybe maybe it was army as the western league guy I mean look like he got shot and he ends up drawing once so that and they scored correct. They scored on that one They got there were one for two or yeah, they're one for two or last night Either way, that's the hockey karma heads up heads up heads up. Yeah, you didn't you didn't like the one on The one I think it was it wasn't doubt or I think it was on barbashav when he kind of crossed the pants on Molensky after watching it again. Did you change your mind on it? Not really because it was it would they call what did they call it? They didn't call it crosscheck they called like interference holding or something Yes, so I didn't agree with it being a holding because like he kind of turned into him in the way he was cross-checking like they kind of fell together I didn't love as much as like I usually have the defenseman's back especially going back for a plot. Yeah, but Yeah, I didn't love that call, but I mean at the end of the day they got the win. It doesn't matter But going back to Jack jury and Nelson Jack jury has two goals to assist in this playoffs and Nelson has two goals one assist So it's not like you're putting yep, you know one guy out and yeah, I'd say I would have stuck with him because you have to win that draw All right, let's see it Nelson my last thing on this game Um, and it doesn't matter because they got the win But would you rather have me rollerblading or made McNabb defensively on McKinnon on that second goal? All right, yeah putting the blender and that is a guy. That's a western league hard knows mother fucker But that was that was like I couldn't even really describe it It was like that's who gone Logan Couchor when his ankle snapped in half. I was like oh my god Like I felt I felt from a knab basically like you're going to the dog and process the fact that Nate went back The other way for like a full second and then he finally glass while I think like the yeah Yeah, he was looking at fans with his back face in the play as it was put Hey, and then he fell behind the net when it was three two and I thought they were gonna score I'm like oh man. This is gonna be a tough third period for McNabb But luckily they pulled out because they I mean he's been a dog for them all play after you're gonna get beat by guys Especially when it's the real 29 So as much as I've glazed over that the Golden Knights and hi makes me sick But I am on EBR rule number five and I am hammering the apps for game two And McKinnon's post-game press conference. I think he snapped on a reporter a little bit What did he say um we didn't execute I've said I've said we didn't execute five times So I was like oh boy oh boy oh but grumpy Nate grumpy Nate So he's gonna come out looking to kill and we'll see if McCartes in but I know why he's so grumpy actually because in my in my Twitter mentions when I did check it around 12 30 once the game ended I had at least 15 guys sending me a clip of one of his shots on net that the NHL didn't count And it costed him the fourth shot on net. So I think maybe he's keeping track of his shots on goal too Definitely. Yeah army brawl you think he gives a fuck about your bankroll That's what's upsetting. I'm in the post-game press conference. It all makes sense army brought up that Now they're basically doing I know you've talked about this more that if the puck's gonna miss the net It doesn't count for a shot or save Which is that's kind of tough because because you're talking about one the one that Carter Hart like save with his glove And it like from the side angle like the one that we watch from I'm like. Oh, that was a great glove save And they didn't count that they didn't I guess they didn't count it I had to fight 15 different things videos murals fixed that fixed this So that's why that's why now you see like top and goalies like if you're around the 900 save percentage You're you're good like that's the that's the baseline now because they I mean they they're not getting these fandom saves anymore no more um The Montreal Canadian's boys and I want to show it out anyone who joined us for our live stream on on Monday night for game 7 Thank you so much. That was a blast a great game to watch and to be on together watching Biz called it even at two nothing. He said this is going over time And Buffalo took over that game boys. I they had chances even after it was two two to win that game in regulation Jacob Dolbus He's got he's got some magic going and Alex new hook two game winners two game sevens I keep tweeting out like team of destiny And people are all over me and listen I think Caroline is an even bigger favorite than Colorado was before their series started But there's something going on in Montreal. I I don't really know how to describe it But I'll say this where is this tweet that I saved? I got a line is minus two seventy five to win the series That's yeah, and that's big But here it is Chris Johnson. This is the one I was a The Montreal Canadians are the youngest NHL team to advance to the conference finals since 1993 When the Habs also did it they won the cup average age 25.8 So yeah enormous underdogs Murls then hit us with the stat of teams who have gone to seven game series Then playing teams who swept Our seven and one in the next wild stat as in one of them has it has one of them happened this year When's the last time that that was a matchup and I was actually surprised to see that that's only happened Eight times a course of playoff history in the NHL I thought and it's something to do with one of the Rangers teams is the one team I don't know which Rangers team because I was on morning cup of hockey with Johnny and Colby We first started discussing it and in Johnny the psycho ranger's fan knew it was the Rangers One year So they they swept somebody and then they they did beat the seven game series Well, I mean would you guys say that there is a little bit of an advantage to I don't want to say being naive But maybe like no not as much much pressure of being in this moment that they're in right now, like right now going against Carolina. Carolina is looking at the series like, this is our chance boys. If we fuck this up, we never, we might never win a cup with this group of guys. And by the time we get back, it'll be a whole new, whole new look. Whereas much you're all saying, holy fuck, man, we have the, we have this average age of 25. And it's a lot of our guys first ever playoff experience, including our fucking gold tender. And we're just going out there having a good time. And your recovery as a young player, like you're not feeling the toll of the playoffs as much. You're just living in the moment and living off the energy of not only winning, but that fucking city in general. So I think that being naive to how big the circumstances are could sometimes be a benefit to your group. And I think that that's a good thing for Montreal going into this one. A lot of people I'm talked to said, canes and five, canes and five, canes and five. I said canes and six. I think that I would bet that there's a split going down in Carolina. That would be my bet. I don't know how much chance is probably tonight. Just just looking at like your fresh and Carolina. I mean, it's 12 days or this is the 12th day. So even with those tough practices, you have to think that if the first period is complete Carolina domination, which is their calling card in the first period of home games. Oh, yeah. Then the Canadians could be in one. Like let's see now. New hook has another stat. He's the what is it right here? The fourth player in Canadians hit on where it is. I'm sorry. I'm reading the wrong one. The second player in NHL history to score multiple game seven series clenching goals in a single pole season. The other Nathan Horton in 2011 with no shit. Bruins. They won the Stanley Cup. That was a Horton. He had on winter against the Canadians. Was it the Canadians first round? And then the lightning in the on the conference final in that amazing one, nothing game. The Canadians one was when PK tied it up late, which was an awesome game and Horton got that one. So new hook. I think he went through a lot this year. He was injured and obviously like he's worked his way up the lineup and it's a pretty cool story. But I felt for Buffalo boys. I felt bad. And they they they just I would say deserve to win that game. You know, they do the deserve a meter. I didn't see that one after the game. I imagine they had a higher 60 65% probably. Is that what you? Yeah. I would. As the Sabers guy, what did what did you think you were on with us? It was five in the morning when when it ended for you. But yeah, I didn't take those six because I was so upset. I was laying there thinking about all the chances. I think it was really bad that first goal. They weren't ready to play. Anderson comes in, bounces the iron away, just a terrible start, not ready to play. But then they came back and all over him. Just they they needed to get it done in regulation when they had all the momentum, but Dolby's was better. You're not going to win a series when talk doesn't get a point. He's you're probably your your second best forward. Usually throughout the year, 33 goals. He dominated the Bruin series. So for him, he played great in game seven, but for him not to get anything, that's why you lost the series. You lost the series before that. The goal tending was clearly not good enough to win. And and that's what happens. Like after seven games, the right team does win, even though they did deserve to win game seven, the right team won the series. Yeah, and I think if you're a Buffalo fan too, right? Like you got to be so happy with this group. What they accomplish, getting into playoffs from when, you know, firing you GM down at one point, you know, such a like they seem like a team that really came together. You hear the interviews of Darlene calling a, you know, a leadership meeting. They go out to dinner. They kind of rewrite the ship. So they're a team that no one expected to make playoffs. They did a lot of good things. And the biggest thing I'm taking out of it is like it looks like a place that these guys all want to be, right? Like none of them are like, oh, yeah, like this is a one and done type thing. Like they love each other there. That's only going to attract other guys to want to go play there. So if you're a Buffalo Sabers fan, you got to be really proud of this group, really happy with what they accomplish. And I think you got bigger and better things. They're going to retool, right? They just signed Lindy again, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like there, everything's going in the right direction for them. And hopefully they can, you know, come out next year and prove that it just wasn't a fluke year. And the big story is talk, because talk is the free agent. And after that brewing series, he's probably going to get 15 million a year from somebody. After that series, it's obviously dropped a couple million. But I believe I truly believe I've been on record now a couple of times. I believe he wants to stay in Buffalo. And I believe he's going to take an extremely team friendly deal to stay there. What does that look like? I got him at eight times eight. I think he's that's what I think is super, super team friendly. Not, I mean, somebody else will give him probably 10 or 12 one of these, these teams, but I think you're crazy. You're going to be living, you'll be living up in Calgary or not, it won't be a, it won't be a good team. No, right. And that's not over. I think if you would have had the series of his life and they would have lost, I would have been okay. And you could justify giving them 10. But if you're a player and you didn't bring it in that situation where if you would have your probably advancing, I think if you really want to be a part of that group, you need to allow them to have a little bit of money to address other areas. And my biggest takeaway for Buffalo aside from everything you guys mentioned, and like the future is bright and they got a lot of good things going. They, they, they, they can't fuck this thing up as far as how they approach it moving forward, right? Like who are they going to maybe move to get some money out the books? Are they going to address goal tending? Like is that something that, you know, you need to go spend some money on or try to bring someone in or make a trade? Obviously, Benson's like the, the most obvious guy you now need to lock up. People keep throwing the dome contract out there. I would hand them that in two seconds. I'd say the exact same deal is donor. I give me even a little more. And it's going to age well, dude. It's true. If donors signed after the playoffs, he would have got probably a million and a half more, right? Yeah. I just think I think Benson, Martian's a crazy comp because I have, I mean, he's a hall of fame player. But I think this kid's going to get better and better. And then all of a sudden, if you give him a deal that's like, whoa, it's a little high right now. And you give him as long as a term as, as he'll take because in three, four years, it's going to be one of those deals. You're like, Holy shit. I can't believe he's, he's only making this as the cap goes up. So I, seems like another guy. I mean, he's a carnie. So like eight million feels like a billion to him, right? So you imagine, you imagine eight times eight gets a gets it done done tomorrow, right? That's a lot of point toss games. I get ton of balloon pop and I'll tell you that, the squirting in the, in the clowns belts. What are some other fun ones? The little duckies when you throw the ball. The one that you're going to add on the ball off the milk rates. Well, apparently, that's not a hard one that you said, right? Because you said, you could do that with your eyes closed. The basketball shot with the crooked rim so you can't, so you don't make it. Oh, it's like 20 feet farther away and five feet taller. You know the, you know the squirt gun game that you're throwing with your throwing a medicine ball instead of a basketball. The squirt gun game that you race up, I always wanted to put those in a urinal. So you pee on the thing. Oh, yeah. Race the guy next to you. Great idea. But I would just do the, I would just do the piss bomb and win two seconds. Yeah, but you're not accurate with the piss bomb. That's a tiny little hole. That piss bomb. That could be all over the people. But he just thinks I can't seek a missile. The goal-tending question is a big one too. Because I mean, you're going back and forth through two rounds. It's like you don't have a guy. And you know, you pee out to, I don't think he was bad. Now the third goal. Is that a bad goal? Yeah. But that knuckle puck and you look right as new hook releases it. It goes on edge and you can actually see it like drop a little bit. Oh, it's, yeah, that was a, it was a nockler. But I still think Saber's fans have the right to say that's got to be saved. Well, Merle thinks that Dolly makes it easy to make himself bigger and have a better stick. Kids at home listening, junior players on the bus listening. If you're a demon skating backwards, never have two hands on your stick that makes yourself smaller. Always make yourself bigger with one hand on your stick. His stick would have been on that puck. It's deflected up into the high net. Yeah, I think it's one of those things where a guy's taken a wrist shot from that far out. The goalie should probably have it. Obviously, it's an unfortunate the way it dipped on. Wakefield. Yeah, the Timmy Wakefield special rest and paradise. But yeah, that's one of those things I can play out in in overtime. That's why you just shoot everything. You get pucks to the net and especially when you're a guy like Newhawk who's feeling it. He's already got an overtime winner. Fuck and shoot everything. I got one last one. And I'm going to get ahead of this own power. So I know at the beginning of the season and throughout the course of his early career here, there's been a lot left to be desired. And as far as maybe physicality, what he's brought to the lineup about halfway through the year as they started winning and progressing his play turn the corner. And in playoffs, once again, if you're a famous fan, you might say, I want him to be a little bit more physical and stronger net front. But everything else that he provided in these playoffs, he is now playing to what they handed over to him. And that is obvious. You hear sometimes people are like, oh, I get rid of power and use that money to bring. I think that now he's kind of turned into the defenseman that that as to why Kevin Adams handed over that money. Is there still a little bit of growth that needs to happen? Absolutely. But I think that you would have to be more than pleased with how he performed the second half of the season and playoffs and looking forward, you're thinking, wow, our top four with Byram, him, Samuelsen, and Dahlene, that is as probably as good as it gets in the East now. And maybe even the league. I mean, he's 23 years old too. Right. The young player. It's like, that's tough to give up. And I've seen a lot of trade-o and power. Imagine what you could get back. I get, you got three really solid defenseman, even without him. I think, is it fair though anytime you have a defenseman of that size when you're not seeing him be as physical? It's kind of, it's just naturally frustrating. Yeah, I think that's why I frustrated a lot of fans, buddy. And I'm not even close to the skater or the player I own power was, but I get it. But it's not in some people's DNA. In his postseason press conference, he mentioned when he's moving his feet, it's so much easier for him to be physical and engaged. And maybe at times that's him saying like, there's games. I got to be like moving better. I mean, you see it with everyone, but 23 years old until November. And it's like, how many times you see defenseman at 25 really figure things out. Now, I know this is his fifth season. So that's where fans are probably like, all right, you've had enough time. But it's just if you look at his age, he's still so young. I just think if you have that top four that you just mentioned, you're going to be a problem for a long time defensively. And all guys who can move the puck too. And not to mention Buffalo's gotten to trouble moving away from top picks guys, get going to other teams. So I think this is one of those guys, especially as a demon, you got to give him his time. You got to get him, like Whit said, to that 25 year old age, where it's like, okay, now he now he knows the league inside it out. I mean, look at the play that he made to Dali on that goal. Like he's got it in him. He's got he's got the offensive ability. He's got the defensive ability. Maybe he needs to be a little harder on guys. But I don't think he's a guy you give up on. I think he's a guy you build around. I'm sure Byron loves playing with him because he's a big body. He gets the puck makes good passes over to his D partner and stuff. So I think this is a guy that, you know, even though it is his fifth year, like he's got a lot more to give. And I think he's going to have a big summer and come back ready to go. I'm sorry. It was his fourth season because he played right after his second year at Michigan. So it was his fourth full year. He's missed 12 games in four years, too. That's another thing. You don't really think about a lot. Like that's reliable. He's going to be in the lineup. But Merck. One more on headman. Like everybody hated headman in the beginning. They were to send him back. And that's a perfect comparison for him. And yeah, I always I always wanted to be a little angerier too. But yeah, Merl. I remember guys when I was in Phoenix, Sherp and headman, like, when are you going to do something? When are you like you're sick? You were saying that on the actual not me, not me. Other guys like more established guys. They were like, when are you going to do something? Like, look at you. You should be dominating the league. And then four years later, he was dominating the league. That's actually a great comp. I know that's been brought up before. But, you know, headman was not the guy that he was even four years in. Yeah, you know what? His fourth year in 20 points at 44 games was the lockout. The next year he popped off for 55 and really kind of started taking over in terms of like production offensively. I think they also used him a lot better this year, like the way that like he wasn't relied upon as much offensively. Although his numbers might have been decent. Like they took him off the power play there. So he didn't have to focus on that as much. Like he was able to like hide on the offensive side where he could just kind of play his game, maybe focus a little bit more defensively. And I think it rounded him out. And I think they're all, I think they, I think basically the coaching staff figured out how to use their back end and use them all in appropriate situations. Now I know we're still talking about Buffalo. That Kessel ring. Is he just constantly injured? Like what's what's up? What's going on there? Do you ever get an answer? No, I never found I think he was just scratched by the end. Like that's what I don't I still haven't gotten a straight answer from anybody on what happened with him because I thought that was going to be the perfect partner for like power like or Dalline that right handed big defense. So I don't know what the story is there. Yeah, that was part of the deal where you're like, oh my god, it's not just don't you got to solve a defenseman to to play 15, 20 minutes. Um, the goal to anything, this is the last thing and Canadian's fence. We have Gorton coming on. We're going to talk a lot of habs. You guys deserve some love. But we just wanted to round wrap up Buffalo. I saw Devon Levy, right? Levy Levi at North Levi. Sorry. At North Eastern. And I think everyone's like holy shit. Like this is a future star goalie. And then he traded in was that the Ryan heart, the Ryan heart deal. Now then there were rumors that they could have had Spencer night. I don't know if that's true. But they make the deal and it's just I don't know. It's and by the way, with the goal-turning position, I am not counting this kid out at all. But I don't know if it's going to happen with Buffalo. He was in Rochester all year. And I just think a lot of Sabers fans were like, all right, we got our guy and it just hasn't worked out. Now maybe he goes somewhere else. I think he would have to go through waivers next year. So an interesting storyline there because it seemed as though they had a goalie for the future. And it just it just hasn't worked out there. And I really wouldn't be surprised if he goes somewhere else and figures out, I know he's a smaller goalie. He's undersized. Yeah. I know, but you've seen some smaller undersized guys. No, I just I'm just say I just mentioned it. Wait, I've been told it's his time with the organization is coming to an end here. He spent the whole season in Rochester. And I think he he needs a new start. And I think the organization feels the same way here and not to do it again. But like calling Edmonton. You never know. Went one more thing before you say goodbye to the Sabers. We have to thank them. They gave us probably our three best moments as a podcast this season. Start it with the first blade gang viral video. Yeah. Then we made our own rollerblading on the highway. And then we'll never ever let you live down the beer saber too. So thank you, Buffalo. I don't know. I think if I sold like this, the one I was holding in the worst. She got the whole team to sign it. She had the whole team to sign that. Anyone would send me what they're willing to pay for this. I'll give it to charity. This is the actual one that I. I'll start the bidding off at 500. Okay. Fair enough. All right. Thank you. So many agreed. I'll also pick up this hockey dad t shirt bar stool store. I got here today. That's why it looks so good. Okay. Father's days coming up. Hey, girls. Listen, Vegas. Vegas makes it to the final. And we somehow end up there for a game. We'll mix. He sent the limo's for us. Oh, yeah. Imagine how imagine how grimy his limo's are. Did you see the video? Yeah, he sent army and G1 for the frozen for clouds. They didn't even have tickets to the game. Oh, those. Yeah. I mean, that's the only way we're going to outdo these Buffalo videos. We're going to have to go to Vegas for the finals. What's the name of the limo company? Oh, man. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, this is the plug. It used to be all in. What's it called now? All out. All in. Oh, my God. Mix. He's going to kill me. You got to find this. You got to give him his plug, dude. Oh, my God. Cause they are beautiful. I was just there. I was just at the place. He's got limos. He's got the shuttle buses right at terminal. The bagage terminal. Is it bill transportation? Bell transport. Bell transport. You go. The baggage claim eight. You go right out the door. They got limos. They got buses. They got it all. Bell center and the bell center. Wow. We have the biggest Montreal. That would be such a weird final. That would also be a rematch of when Montreal shocked them. Well, here, does that the COVID year? COVID, yeah. We all have plans and our flights to Vegas and then Montreal ruined it. So don't worry. So don't belt transportation. Shout out. He had Coglin last night, but I'll be on Carolina tonight. I know we went through all those stats, but I put that pick out before we talk to Talbot. I learned all about Montreal, but I have for the record, I have Keynes and seven, but I don't love it. I don't love it. I was in like, you think Montreal is going to win or I was in like, Talbot, Talbot had me talked into Montreal. I know. I saw that clip in the, in the, in the French magic he was talking about. It did, it did get me going a little bit. I have, my brain is telling me that like the Keynes could sweep him. Not even kidding. I think everybody here has the feeling of Keynes four or five. And I'm saying six. You talk about the guys you work with are people in Carolina. No comment. Hey, people talk like these Montreal people are going to talk you around it though. That's what Talbot. I had Keynes in five till I talked to him. What was the, give us the biggest selling point. They give us like one or two where you're like, oh, wow. French magic. Magic. That's it. Now that just the stats, how they're three and all against them during the season. I mean, I don't give a fuck about regular season. The top lines been terrible, five on five. And they're somehow already in the third round. Imagine if they get going. I think there are being outscored 10 to three. The top line at five on five. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's let's get going or Bayes. What's your worry? Like what would have to happen with Carolina for Montreal to win? Well, I think that basically if you look at Suzuki and Ajo and those two lines, I would say that they cancel each other out, right? And then as far as that second line, I mean, the only this, I'm curious to know how this layoff is going to affect that second line for Carolina, they had so much chemistry in momentum and all of a sudden you don't play a game for almost two weeks. What is that? What does that do to you? If that, and then as far as the, I mean, the bottom six for Montreal has been unbelievable too. They fucking were. I think they're outscoring the top line for Montreal five on five. Yeah. That's what he started talking about. Denou and Anderson. Anderson. These guys are just playoff guys. That's going to be, though, that's going to be the series because you got Martin, Luke, Stahl, and Anderson, and to know like this is going to be a bottom six, whoever can win the bottom six is going to win this series because I think Suzuki, Suzuki is probably going to get matched up against the Stank Hoven line, right? Like they might cancel each other out. If our hose line can turn it up, then, you know, that's going to be an issue. But man, I think I think Montreal matches up so good against this team and I think people have really taken Montreal lightly and, you know, obviously, I think I've been writing two series this playoffs, but I got a fucking, I got a really good feeling about Montreal. Like the way they've proven they can play anyway. They played the mock against Tampa. They played hard. They played fucking FU hockey for seven games. And then against Buffalo. It's a little more running gun, but there is some bullshit after whistles and stuff. That's a big heavy team and Buffalo. So I think they're proven this year that they can play any type of game and I don't think Marty, like the biggest trouble you can get against playing Carolina is trying to play their game. Once you play their game, you're done. Like you got to just know how to play your game, not, not overextend shifts, not get too high too low when they do him you win in their zone for, you know, their shifts where they're getting five or six shots of shift shooting from the bench. So I think it's one of those things that Montreal, like they're matchup against the, I really, like they're de-conscate, unbelievably well, it's going to be fun and shit, man. This is going to be one of the, you know, best series, I think of the whole play. It's going to be fast. I think if you look at the rosters and you compare position by position, like I think it's dead even. And we also can't forget, like Carolina hasn't, like Montreal has played harder competition. Right. Like this, like it's been a bit of a cakewalk for Carolina. So I might change my pick to to to Keynes in seven. I think Montreal, Montreal people yet, you're going to be talked flip the whole other way. No, I think everybody in Montreal wants him on Carolina. So they were saying the way Montreal plays, too, the quick attack that the transition is, gives Carolina fits. That's why they had the regular season success. That's why I think for, for Dawson, Goulet and Matheson, you know Hudson's going to break the puck out well, like I, he will be money on the breakout zone exits. He's incredible. Those three defensemen who play a lot on that against that four check, like how good can they move the puck? And that's if they can get out of the zone easily, then they're in a great spot. What is Carolina's game? It's just hemming you in. And can you break the puck out? So Mer, we appreciate it. We're going to get more. Love you, Mer. Love you guys. Thanks for hopping on. We love you, buddy. Great job with the man. The jersey on tomorrow, Colorado fans. Don't worry. The Mer. All right. Before we get to Jeff Gordon, president of the Montreal Canadians, we've got to talk draft Kings. The Stanley Cup playoffs are here. 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We've been down. Let's bring him in right now. President of the Montreal can you Jeff Gort, couple of clicks. Gort, how are you? Thanks for joining the show. Thanks for having me, guys. It's my pleasure. Is it true that you were told this is sports net and that's how we drag you on here? No, no, no, no. I don't know. I don't know. Listen, if he has asked me to do something, I'm going to do it. Oh, he is the best. I love it. What's your history with Jans? Jans played for me. He's been working all the time. Who are some of your favorite players of all time? Jans is definitely top five. Oh, yeah. That's a big compliment for how long you've been in the game, Gort. I love it. I know. I can't remember the first 25 years. So. So are you in Carolina right now? I'm in Carolina right now. Yep. All right. So what a run. Exciting. Just like crazy two rounds. Game seven. Both of them. What's your feeling on everything so far? How alive is the city? And I can't imagine when you came to Montreal, you thought it would all happen this quick for this group. Yeah. No, it's. It's definitely a little bit on fire right now. The fans are into it. And hungry for more. And it's been interesting, right? We've been really good on the road. We haven't been able to finish it at home. So they're kind of ready for those parties for us to clinch it and win those games at home. And we haven't been able to do it. So hopefully we can keep extending and giving that feeling, but it's it's been a good run and really happy for the guys and they played really well. And it's exciting. You know, here we are. Let's see what's. Let's see what's next, I guess. How are you at staying compolers during these games, especially when some of them are heading to overtime. Like, are you a nervous wreck in the box? Yeah. And honestly, as I thought, you know, I always promised myself going into every game. I'm going to be good. And then I'm never good. You know, it's like. I'm like, I'm going to be tonight. I'm not going to say a word. And then the game starts and I'm like. And I started losing it. You know, my buddies all text me like, you can't keep wearing the same suit. It's going to be a disaster. But, but you know, we hang in there. I should probably not sit so close to Kent because we're not good for each other at all. They're in the game. You know, just getting each other's blood pressure off. Yeah, you just turned to the guy next to you. Like, what the hell is that? You know, but, you know, the 10 floors up, it's very easy to watch and think that we can all go out there and have some success. But I know better than that. Yeah, going into this series, obviously you guys gone the distance in your first two of the seven games. You know, is this one of those things where you're used in the momentum where, you know, team like Caroline who's been waiting for. I think it's the longest weight in NHL history. Like, for you guys, it's like, hey, listen, you know, especially nowadays, like all these kids want to do is play hockey, right? And to go out there and just play and have fun. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see tonight. What, you know, I guess it's the rest versus playing all the time. What's going to, what's going to, you know, play itself out and, you know, will they be rusty? I guess, rest versus rust, I guess is what I'm trying to say. But yeah, I don't know what's going to happen. I know that these guys are really good and, you know, I've seen some footage of them practicing a lot. And I'm sure Rod will have them ready. And so, but I guys are, I think they're, I think they're in a good spot and ready to roll. So we'll see that those first 10 minutes will, you know, might feel like there's eight guys on the ice for Caroline. You know, let's see if it gets pretty loud in there. When you look at like your team, there's just so many different story lines. But with how guys talk about Martin St. Louis. And I think it was the first round when Dolby's might have said his pregame speech is just something I'll never forget. Like, take us through when he came in, right? I go, it was all a fan player. He's coaching mid-fairfield, I believe, and Connecticut. And all of a sudden, he's the NHL, he's head coach of the Montreal, Canadians. Like, what did you know about him before? Obviously, you, you've been around him a lot. But what was that decision to bring him in and how well has it gone overall? Well, he's, I had it as a player, kind of like, yes. And obviously unique. And you just had this way about him that you felt like there was always going to be a chance to coach. And actually, when I was in New York, I actually offered them job in Hartford. But, you know, French, the Hartford didn't seem that appealing to him, I guess. So, I guess it had to, we had the way to get to Montreal. You know, Kent has a lot of history with him, too. Their kids played together at the program. You know, he played for us in New York. So, there was that. And then, you know, had going into Montreal, we were pretty bad when we first got there. And kind of promised we wouldn't change coaches. And then just being there for a while, I could see the player's faces, they were dying. And we had to change something, so we just started talking. and saying well how do we just try this you know and Marty was willing to come for just the end of the season which you know there's not a lot of NHL coaches just saying hey I'll come for three months let me show you you know usually it's a four or five year deal so that was appealing and honestly the first time I ever saw him speak to the team I was like well that's pretty good the guys are gonna like that and so you can see through speeches and he's very well thought out and you know you guys are all former players I'm sure you can envision yourself in the room thinking I'd really like to play for this guy and that's yeah I like this one oh that's the one that's really got me up in that one yeah he's got a lot he spends a lot of time trying to figure out kind of what his next thing for those guys is you know you guys know I'm sure you get bored sometimes with the same old same old and I think he's he's probably had coaches that were like that for him and he goes out of his way not to not to make it so boring no he's he's hitting all the right buttons and before you hopped on we talked about how how the correlation of how young this this group is just over the average age of 25 and I mean I guess when you and and he's put this team together how proud are you this group and the fact that not only is Martin hitting the right buttons but they haven't lost back to back games since like March at this point and for a young group not to let like things faster and snowball and get out of control like to me that's one of the most impressive stats I've seen in a long time yeah it is it's you know I saw that step the other day it's it's pretty wild you know just feels like we're in the playoffs we're in the third round we won we basically have won loss one loss one loss one loss right so it's a little crazy but for a young group to just kind of shake everything off you know game six against Buffalo we're up three to one and then we got we got run out of our own building there so that was tough and then for those guys to respond to Doberster respond like that to the players to respond like that so it means a lot and it's you know I think as we go forward something obviously we can we can use a lot you know but I will say biz I felt pretty good when you put that Buffalo jersey on I knew we had a chance I don't know I heard him he he took Caroline and seven before you came on I heard I thought I heard I thought that was perfect when I said when I said to the group as I said hey boys we might have a hard time if we go to Montreal I don't think tickets are easy to come by and the end is like oh no Gorts has got us and then he and then he said as long as like you're rooting for Carolina he knew we were going to take it down I said we better have a box with the seafood tower ready to go I can't do it yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna put you guys you're gonna sit right behind Rod the other guys to get treated really well I think set a tits on you yeah you'll be down there down in the fans we just give it to you hey I'm you I'm used to it I've been taking a lot of else these days the one other thing too you mentioned Dolby's two and one of the coolest viral videos I saw happen these playoffs were when he came out I believe he was first star and he was getting interviewed and the fans won't even let him speak they just gave him the O.A. treatment like are you there like in the box still watching that or are you already heading down the elevator to go to the room yeah no I try to watch especially him we're trying to media train him I get my eyes on him but yeah no right after the game I do because it is such a unique place and it's one of the rare ranks where when the game's over the whole building waits to see who's the first star and it's it's usually by then everyone's in the in traffic and so I'm watching because we're always interviewing a player and seeing who the stars are and it's kind of crazy there in the first 10 minutes so you kind of wait it out so I always watch that and yeah I saw him he's a it was sort of interesting he asked him a question it was like he there's a pause and all of a sudden he's like Sava was almost like yeah you know he's a unique guy but obviously he's the goalie he likes the moment right yeah he's a goalie yeah but like I don't know if every goalie likes the moment is like as much as he seems to really like the moment you know he's he's he's your kind of guy I think yeah oh if you come if you come to Montreal you're not allowed to come meet him oh okay all right I was everyone I'll stay away I love this guy yet but going after after he said that then and then the crowd erupted and then he goes obviously you don't want me to talk yeah but he just he gets it man he was getting him going sorry yeah yeah no I was just gonna go him back to the you know not having lost back to back games since March 1670 to whatever it is I look at your captain Nick Suzuki and we talked to Knuckles Nyland the other day and he said you just see him even kill he's never high never low like what is he bringing to that group especially a younger group where if you're never seeing your captain especially in a place like Montreal where the media can get you know the noise can come into your locker room but for him it just seems like every day is like this for him and I'm sure it's he's a huge huge factor why why that is a stat for you guys yeah no he's you're right it is every day is this kind of the same for him and boy he's he's quite a player he's he's really emerged as a star player in this league and he's definitely our leader and it's interesting uh we do all these things for the NHL and the they're Mike and guys and and he was Mike the other day so I got a look at it and and you see him on the bench and you hear that he could be quiet sometimes but during the during game seven boy was he he was talking and and pumping guys up and I was really impressed with some of the things he was saying um but you're right like it's it's it's nice to have a guy that's so good but yet never rattled nothing ever bothers him you know you're down a goal you're up a goal it's always the same uh he's got the same attitude I'm gonna take this game over and uh you know he's it's pretty special but since I've been here this this guy's got better every year and it's it's hard to say that when you get a hundred points and you're like what's he gonna do next but he hasn't he hasn't really hit a ceiling which is crazy yeah his stats have gone up I think every season yeah yeah the improvement you can have even at the highest levels it's it's pretty incredible to watch but um I wanted to ask you I don't think a lot of people are aware of your fingerprints and what you did for the brooans right when you were acting as GM and oh six one draft you got Kessel you got luchich you got martian you're behind the tukotrade and there were so many different things that you built in Boston that you must see similarities now right like building through the draft and getting guys like lane huts it in the second round martian was third round and are you seeing similarities to what you were doing in Boston even though you weren't there by the time they did win the cup great great signing and NHL history two signings the day no charge to bring that up yes to bar 2 yeah there's definitely thanks guys that there's definitely similarities um it's uh you know you go back to like Patrice you know we had Patrice and we had you know David Cretchi to kind of start it out down the middle and then yet you know we're lucky to do all those things you guys just mentioned so it's it's very similar you know in Montreal I do feel pretty lucky that when we got here there a lot of these guys you know they were here they were young maybe they hadn't been here but they were coming and they drafted pretty well and like even dobush now you look at him he's drafted you know several years ago even before I got here so um you have to have that but there's similarities the similarities to New York too right you think back we we were able to add like Fox and now here we're able to get you know Lane Hudson um you know you have to have that and you need that number one center and and Suzuki's emerges that now we have a goal score so there's there's a lot of similarities um you know you learn from some of your mistakes over time and uh and uh hopefully it it takes over but uh it in all three places there is definitely similarities and you know we're kind of seeing it now even going out and signing a guy like uh dobson this summer like even outside looking and you're like ah this guy dobson he's the number one power play guy you already have your you know the Lane Hudson but dobson's been great and just like solidifies your decore even more so it's like for you guys not being afraid to go out and get that guy and because you can I would imagine you come into that locker room and the buy-in it seems like it's there well guys with with Marty running the ship in the locker room and obviously you guys up top yeah I know I gotta give no credit because there's probably not and you yans would know this better there's probably not a lot of number one power play guys that you bring in and put them on your second power play and they're happy you know um so uh I think we might even try that with you in New York actually um it was my choice I would say to you like Noah's come in and completely bought it and uh and uh been part of it and a huge part of it and uh kind of under the radar like how good he's really been for us you know we got hurt obviously in the Tampa series came in game seven um it's played well but you know somebody that can get the puck out of your zone right away it's he's a little like what you mentioned with Suzuki uh even kill guy that just you know what you're getting every night and he's been a real good addition in the room too and even Mathis and he I think it's 60 points last year playing power play and then he kind of gets dropped down a little bit too but you never see him bitching and complaining like he just goes out and does his job yeah no question we you know like you said before we had Lane he had 60 something points he's on the first power play so you know you to to go to him and say listen this is going to be a rule now and uh he's embraced that he's been great and uh you know unfortunately able to sign them and keep him around for a while but he's pretty consistent what he does under the radar guy I think too um I was gonna ask you about Anderson probably a tough guy to appreciate uh during an 82 game season but when you get to playoffs and the games matter and you know physicality matters and size I played against someone he was in the American hockey league and the way that he would burn up and up and down the wing, he's a piece of shit to play against. He's been just so valuable to you guys in on your forecheck and what he's brought so far this playoff. So just like, what are you seeing from him and what do you love about him? Yeah, I think it's, it's like you said, it's the Tom Wilson type of player that the teams don't have. So you have a weapon that this guy's going to go up and down and he's going to come out in the defense. The other defenders are like, this guy's coming. He's going to keep coming, it's annoying and he plays more, right? Like, in the playoffs, Marty's going to him all the time. Sometimes every other shift, he put him up there with Susie's line for a little while. And it's just, it's just, you know, it just keeps coming and coming and he's never going to stop. So you're 82 games is tough to do that. And, but the playoffs, his history of his career in the playoffs has been very, very good. So he's a, he's a, he's a weapon and I think Marty's using it really well right now. He's, he's, he's a, he's a huge part of where we're at. Back to Dobson, because you trade two first rounders for him this year. How, what's your discussion like with Kent where, all right, we made the playoffs last year. And you know, we get bounced early, Washington was a good team. Do we keep stockpiling these picks and prospects like, or, all right, no, let's, let's give the 15th and 16th pick and bring Dobson and like, how do you decide when it's time to move on from future pieces to what you need right now? Yeah, I think it's a good question. I think the biggest thing for us was to move forward and it's, you know, to keep, to keep taking first round picks that maybe aren't going to be there for three or four years and tell our team that we wanted to take another step. But, you know, those are hard things to do. So what we wanted to do was find somebody that knows age that was a core type player that fit in that could be impact right away. So, you know, obviously we're not going to hum, you know, two first round picks out the window for, you know, something less, an older player or something like that, but somebody that could fit in and help us right away and our core could see, all right, these guys, they want to move this thing forward. They're not just drafting first round picks for the rest of our lives, but they don't want to move this thing forward too. So, that was a big part of it, and I think as we go forward, you know, we'll always look for those type of things that just keep, you know, keep adding, trying not to get 35 year old players, but the people that, you know, fit in with our core and know it's done that. I was, I thought one of the coolest stories of the playoffs, even though it, like, regardless of if it was with you guys, and I got a soft spot for the bottom six was after game two Kirby doc had that icing, yeah, in the, in the play at the blue line, and their defense ended up scoring. You guys lose that game, but Marty didn't sit him. He went with him the next game and played him a ton. And since then, I feel like that line, although broken up partly has contributed so much, especially in times where the offense is maybe dried up on the top line, like from the outside looking in, like just how cool is that to see where, where, like, things like that go down. And also the response from the fans, because they were chanting his name, the next game at home when he ended up scoring that goal. And they were calling for his head before they were. They were, they were, they were, they were, they were calling for his head and, and, you know, you get on the plane after and you get beat like that. And you're having conversation with your coach, like, we got to change the lineup. And he's, he was pretty adamant, no. And I, again, I think it goes back to, he's a guy that people want to play for and they want to play for him because you're going to make a mistake and he's going to put you back out there. And, and that's all guys can ask for, you know, now if Kirby does it, he comes out the next game and does it again, I think he's going to probably have to respond, Marty. But he gave him his chance and he delivered. And it was a, it was a hell of a thing, right? It's, you know, 530 or 545 before the game and he's getting a stand, you know, and our fans are rallying around him and he scores and the game has a great game. He's, you know, one of the three stars. So good on Marty, like I have to say, I probably, you know, I was thinking, might not have to change it here, but, but, but Marty's, Marty's pretty good like that. I do think it's, it goes back to what we talk about all the time with him is he was, you know, he was struggling to make the NHL Marty at one time in his life, right? He was up and down, he was a scratch, you know, he did go in waivers, he passed your waivers one time and then he became this, you know, Hall of Fame player. So he does have that unique thing where you can stand in front of our team and say, I've done everything. All of you have done. There's nobody's, nobody, I'm not asking anybody to do anything that I didn't do. And I think he has that unique bond that maybe not a lot of people could have. It's not even anyone I could think of that had a Hall of Fame career like him. That's a great point. Yeah. Another guy, Biz has been raving about and all of us really is Jake Evans and the discussion last year leading up to the deadline was like, this is a valuable piece. What could we get for him? A lot of playoff teams would want a guy like this and you guys decide to resign him. And now it's, it's a phenomenal contract with his production and what he means to the team. So take us through like the thought process. Was there ever even a thought process of trading him? Yes, you know, I think we had to when the spot we were in, like when we signed him, we were, if you remember, we had gone on the run after, but we were out of the playoffs and not necessarily trending in the right direction. And when we started talking to him in December, so we were, we were pretty far out. And then we went on the run to make the playoffs, but no, I mean, he's, he's a pretty unique guy. Like he doesn't, he doesn't get a lot of accolades, but he has a guy that can go up and down your line up, you know, he's, he can skate, you know, he wins face-offs, he's a great penalty killer. He's, you know, another guy that's quiet in the room just goes about his business, real professional guy. So he's, you know, Marty's playing him up right now in the second line and, and he's having a lot of success, so those guys are hard to find. I think that that can go up and down your line up that can do a little bit of everything that could play weighing, play center, win draws. You know, we're seeing it with him and, and to know right now, and Susie, right, they're winning a lot of draws. We have to puck a little bit more than we used to. And, you know, like I said, you, you put out a young kid out there and ask him to win draws and then win in draws at 35%. It's a little tough, you know, the skills as they are. And you see it a lot, right? We all, we all try to force our young guys into soon. And James got a lot of experience. He was here when they went to the finals. So he's a guy that, you know, quite frankly, guys like Susie and those guys that come to us and said, you know, he'd be a big, he'd be a big mess if we traded him. Another guy can't believe we haven't talked about yet is, is new hook, obviously getting two overtime winners for you guys to move you guys on. But is that one, when you make that trade, like he's a younger guy, he has winning pedigree. I think he's the only guy in your roster that's want to cup, but he's also in that age group of, you know, where you guys are wanting to go. Was that part of the, the deal when you made that trade is we want a guy in the, you know, perfect age group, but has also had some winning pedigree. Yeah. I think so. You know, you know, we kind of fit into what we're talking about, right? He plays center, plays wing, the score, I can kill, has some experience winning. His age was pretty good when we got him, like, it's kind of like when we traded for dock, right? We, we moved some picks. We did some things just because, you know, if you're like we said about early, we talked about early. You draft an 18 year old kid's all the time. It's hard to like move this along. Or you get a guy like Newy that maybe he's not quite top six yet in Colorado. They've got a lot of good players. You get a player like him. You get Kirby. So you're just trying to get Noah, you just trying to advance it with those type of players and hopefully hit, you know, that they, they're as good as you think they are. You know, Kent was his agent. So it's, it's, it's a pretty good. You have history with him. Their kids played together in victorious. So there's always those little things where you know, you know, those, you know, a little bit more about players when you have that kind of access. But it's good for him. Like this guy's been hurt for two years, right? He's had a couple of nasty injuries with his ankles and to see him healthy now and doing what he's doing. Like everyone's, this guy's a great guy. Everyone's happy for him and, and, you know, goal scoring is so hard in the playoffs and to get it like we're getting it, you know, from, from secondary guys and other guys. It's, it's a huge. I got some questions, but away from the team, where did you have a, did you have any more like team questions? Yeah. Just, when I first saw Demodov, I was like, oh my god. And I'm wondering, your guy's sitting at, you're sitting at the draft, 2024 Columbus has fourth. They take Kaden Lindstrom, like the feeling of joy you must have. Like, I don't know how he dropped to five, and my question basically is, were there questions about if he'd be able to get out of the contract with St. Petersburg, like, how did that all come about where he did drop to where, where you got him? Good question. Yeah. Definitely at five, you, you know, you don't know. And you think, you're hearing things all the time when you lead up to a draft that this guy might go here, you know, we had heard, like, Seneca, things like that. So, you're just trying to put the pieces together, but, you know, Wisconsin's like a, it's like a, it's like a high school cafeteria, like, there's a lot of gossip in there. These guys, you know, they all have their buddies to tell them, and it's like, I ain't clad, this is going to happen. You know, I got guys that work with forever, they've said that so many times, man, like, you've never been right. Like, what are you talking about? Eight murals in there. Yeah. You have guys like murals in there, exactly, saying, this is definitely the order of the draft. I said it. I said to take that. Yeah. We should have taken them. We don't have one pick, buddy. We don't want you. One can pick. Yeah. After the draft is another show, but before the draft is like, they all know what's going to happen because they've talked to their buddies that work for the teams, right? Or agents or so. So everybody's got a theory on what's going to happen, but in the end, we didn't know of it. them an off was going to be there. We had hoped he had heard that he might, you know, his agent was talking everybody and didn't and felt like he might go five. So, you know, we were obviously we're hoping and but we had a good feel, right? We have Nick Barbraff, who's who's who's basically he's Russian. He's been in the U.S. forever. You guys probably know him. He's scoured with me forever. He was with me in Boston's in New York. So he's got a he's got a long history over there. And with the same team, St. Petersburg is with him. So we had we had we knew we knew that he was going to come over. We knew his contract was ending. We knew how bad he wanted to come over. And when we met with him, he is is just a different guy. It's just a different guy. He's he's already learning English. He was driven. He wanted to be over here. And the thought of playing a bunch of y'all did not scare the guy. So we were excited that if he was going to be there, he's going to be our guy. So you just sit there and you wait for those picks to go and you know, you're hitting each other's knees under the table. Like let's do this. So it was it's good. It's good. It's one that worked out for us. So I was I was reading that you're your first job in hockey. It was like on the on this side of it. Was your approach scout? Is that true? Well, actually, no. I actually interned for the Bruins, right? And for my graduate degree. And then they hired me. They kept me on as a PR guy for a year. He was blade. I was a PR guy for a year. Yeah. And then and then I came over to hockey with Michael Collins and guys like that. So no, that was my. I can't even call it a job really, but that was what I. Did you did you like that side of it? Or was it like a one year and done? No, no, like listen, I'm not like you guys. I had I went to school, you know, he's trying to go to school. I went to Davenport. Yeah. Yeah. You have a port university. That's a school. And try to go to me. You know, but I I went to school. I went to grad school and I interned with the Bruins. Listen, my whole idea was I'm going to get in hockey. They're going to love me. But I didn't I was kidding. I thought I was kidding myself, but that was my way in. I played until I was 18 years old. So I was realistic. So that's how I got in. I didn't. But I once I got in, I was like, you know, I dad was a plumber. He said go there at 6 a.m. Don't leave until everybody leaves. And that's what I did. And then I just made it so they couldn't give it to me. You know me. And then after that, yeah. Well, that's kind of what I was alluding to is like, and then after that, you were technically a pro scout for a few years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of everything. Like I said, Michael Connor was a forward thinking guy and I did a lot of like stats video. I'd come in late at night, just off the satellite dish, pull all these junior games and then cut them and give them all to all the scouts and get ready for the draft, do all those kind of things. And then during the games, I was doing stats and go down like Brian Sutter was the coach. I'd go in between the periods of it. I mean, I'm going to show me all the checks guys finish. I bring this sheet in the players. Probably aided me, right? This guy's not finishing checks, Brian. Here's the sheet. Oh, no. Who the hell's this guy? Yeah. Yeah. So it's a different world back then. But those are the kind of things I did. And you know, I look back. It's I laugh at it now. But that's that's what you had to do. Back then there was, you know, 11, 15, 20 people working in the offices. Now I walked through the office. It's like spring break in there. Yeah. But they're going back. I mean, you kind of just mentioned all these things that you were doing to like kind of learn the business and the ropes. Like how valuable was it to do all those things at the bottom to kind of be aware of it where you are now? Like, would you recommend like any guy have to go through the ranks like that? Oh, absolutely. Like if you're not if you're not playing the NHL, you got to find your way, right? And that's the way I that's my that was my way. I know it's sort of unique and kind of fun to talk about now. But absolutely bottom up, like there wasn't anything in that office happened. And then I didn't know about it was all it was great. So like from tickets to marketing to scouting to anything, you doing that. It's an I joke about it now. But they used to call me and say, Harry Sin is coming in on a flight from the GM meetings and his drive. We can't find his driver. I was like, I got it. I'd get this guy's caddy. I'd get over there. And seriously, we'd talk hockey. And that's how I sort of got in there with him and got to know him really well like that. But I wasn't, you know, because I've heard some of your stories. I wasn't above anything. I just I loved it. And I didn't know where we'd go. And, you know, obviously, I've been pretty lucky in hockey and it's been fun, you know, working for three original six teams, kind of crazy, but from a kid from, you know, Boston. So it's all in shit to be in control, right? Yeah. Well, that's why it's so it's so well-deserved, you know, having been at every level of running a team and where a team is at. But another guy I have a question about, sorry, I forgot is I was at I was over at BU a lot when late Hudson was was a freshman and played two years. And I was telling these guys, I'm like, I don't know if it's going to translate the way it is now, but he's going to be in the NHL and wait to see the motor. What did you think like watching him? Because it was, it was such domination in college. But did you even see this like this quick? No, no way. I know, you know, obviously seeing him at the, at the national team, you know, they brought him up when he was younger to the 18s. And you saw him and you small. And, you know, we all go through these phases, we're like, I don't know, that's, that's pretty small for what he's going to have to do. But jeez, you watch everything he does. And it's like, we always talk about Kent and I talk about it all the time. It's like, his skill is thinking it's all off the charts, it's all great. But the secret sauce is the work ethic is ridiculous. This guy like, in a battle for a puck, it's not like, it's not going to be denied. You know, he's going against Thompson. He's going against all these big players. And he's always coming out with pucks in you. You keep going back to it going. The guy has the puck all the time. He never loses battles when he does. He's going to go get it back. You know, he's like, one of those annoying players where when you beat him, you're not going to beat him once. You got to beat him a second time, a third time. You know, he's never going to go away. So he has that special ingredient that even, even even more skilled players than him, you wish they would have. But it just over time, the more and more and more you're watching, like, he's just, is he always the best player? And he was always the best player. You were at BU. You was playing with so bringing, they were both great. But to be the best player sometime in Maclin on the ice out, that says a lot. Like, yeah, sometimes he was doesn't he, doesn't he go out there when nobody's on the ice and he doesn't tie his skates and he's just out there doing a ten and two. He's probably, he's probably out there right now. He's he's he's like that. And so is Demidoff, you know, they were good for each other, but sometimes you got to try to, you know, pull the reins back. Yeah, yeah, they're looking for the bus. You tell the bus driver to leave so they can't get over there, you know, so you just got to get him to relax because I don't know how many 30 minutes he played the other night and came seven night. So right back at it. Yeah, there's a passion for the game there. It's crazy. And I remember the assistant coach, Kimmer at BU, told me so he said he's getting 50 points next year. I was like, huh? He called it. He was the, he was one guy that was like, no, there's just no chance. Like nothing stopping him. And it's, it's just he's a lot of fun to watch. And I think the motor is, is the number one factor. He's like, like, there, you call somebody a savage, right? You're thinking of an Anderson, a Tom Wilson, but he isn't a different way where it's, it's, it's incredible. And I don't think anyone saw it coming or else he wouldn't have gone where, where you guys picked him. In his, in his cap, it's nice for you too. Yeah, he's nice. He played ball with us. Yeah, he did. That was a nice. Yeah. But that's what it takes to win, right? We always talk about Pittsburgh peg. Not the same did. Yep. Yeah, yeah. I think, you know, Tampa had that going on. Boston had it going on where guys, you know, maybe they took a little less for the winning part. You know, if you have guys when they're losing and you make them, you make them remember that losing part, they'll do anything to win, right? So, I think, you know, the guy like Susie that was around when it wasn't great for a while, you know, those guys, I think they'll give up anything to be in this kind of situation now, right? So you've, you've been a part of two original six organizations like for like a big period of time. All three, excuse me. Yeah. What is the craziest thing you've been approached by a fan about? Like, what are they? Oh, they're just insane in those original six fan bases. You know, I always, my kids get on me about this. You walk home with your kids after the game or something. My fans, the guys have recognized me are not necessarily the ones that you'd want to hear stories about. I don't know. I don't have the, they're all guys. And it's all the same here. It's fun for you. You should see our DMs. Yeah. Yeah. But no, listen, I have just the other day like this guy, he's like, can I have your business card and you sign it? I'm like, my business card is my cell phone number on it. Why would I, you know, can you imagine giving it to somebody like that? But I, uh, no, there's nothing crazy with the fans. I, uh, I, I laugh, you know, we get off the bus and you see the players with sometimes they have to go through and how these people find us, you know, it's, it's an amazing thing, right? If you, somebody should write a book on it. I, I always, Alex Case, our travel guy, I always say to him, I said, did you, uh, you get paid by someone you would go, you know, like, what's going on here? We have a security guard now. Same thing. I'm like, uh, these guys are calling you by your first name, Mitch, when we're leaving. What are you doing with these guys? You know, [BLANK_AUDIO] So they're there. It's three in the morning. It's people there. We change hotels last minute. They're there. You know, it's, it's a, I mean, Ian's nose. Ian's pretended to be one for Halloween one time. Yeah. Exactly. You went outside and the guys are cutting on the bus that you're with them. Yeah. I mean, that's probably the greatest fan story of all time, right? And you have a mask on. Like, what were you dressed as? Yeah. We got like professionally done makeup. It was me, Kristen and Hazy and we stood outside. It was now like in New York, everything top secret where the party, Halloween party was going to be. So we had the place set up like the red, the ropes with the red carpet. And we stood there. We made booklets for everyone. We had pox. We would dress up to no one knew we weren't everyone would walk by the, you'd hear them getting out of their limos or ubers being like, how the fuck did they find us? How do they know we're here? Like, it was just you three just us three. We got a picture. I need a picture that I've never heard that. We got every single guy's autograph before they knew the one person who knew it was us was Kaylee McDonough. She, she saw, I don't know what made her recognize us. But we like don't tell anyone they were one of the last, but we got every single person. It was amazing. I still have all the autographs. I'm going to, I'm going to sell them at some point. And then you went in, then you went in and told everybody and then they're like, no way, right? Yeah. We went into the party and everyone's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, they can't be in here. Did they try to like get us kicked out? Yeah, whatever. I don't think I fake nose on. Can you imagine what Hank's face was like when you walked in there? Oh, fuck. He was calling security going, get this guy out. It was jeans or $10. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You do know that, yeah, it's based on that story. I used it all the time, but we had a team building event. And there was five teams and all of us had to be on a team. And Kent was on the team that lost. And on the team that lost, they had to dress up for our opening party. And so I used the, I used the Yanns rule. And I, they all had to do that. So we made him do you. So he dressed up as a fan. And he was outside getting autographs from like Sopaski and all these guys. He wasn't as made up as you. So it was kind of a giveaway. And he's not a great actor. But it was pretty good. And when he came in a couple guys, European guys are like, no way. That was you. So it's pretty good. You have a gentleman, you're embarrassed and stuff like that. That's amazing. That's very good. Yeah, I don't know. Gorts. I got another kind of final question on the current team. Brendan Gallagher, he's played over 900 games, right? And what he's going through now, it definitely isn't easy. But from everything we hear, he's just, you know, he's, he's a great teammate. And he's done a good job of being around and being positive. And even though he wishes he was playing, that's not the case right now. Like for someone like you and Kent, that has to mean a lot in Marty, to not have poopy pants and just still be like a part of the group. I know a question. I mean, this guy's heart and soul guy. You guys have all played against him and been around guys like that. I mean, he's, he means a lot to Montreal to our guys. So it's, it's, we all, we're all sensitive to what he's going through. It was great to get him in there and scores a huge goal for us. Yeah. So that was huge. And you know, I think we look at it like he's going to get in there again and do it again. And, but he's been good. He's, his teammates love him and, and appreciate everything he's doing. And I know it's so hard for Marty, like the worst part of the job for coach for guy like Marty is the tele guy like Galleys not playing. You know, I, I imagine it's, it's like, I don't know. It's like telling, it's like breaking up with your high school girlfriend and then having to do it again and again and again, you know, you want to, you want to, you never shouldn't take the dog. Yeah. You want to do it and be done with it. And it's so hard for this guy. He's such a special guy. He means so much. So, you don't want to tell people. So it's been hard, but he makes it easy for everybody. He does. He's a, he's a special guy. And you can see why he's been so successful. Well, yeah, I had one just going back to what, you know, business was talking about you working your way up. And I remember for me going to New York and I had any Mio and Don, uh, Don Maloney and Phoenix and not really guys that you'd talk to that much. You kind of just walk by them. And then I remember you like, I think it was like my second or third day there. You're asking me my kids names, my, my wife's name and still to this day, you asked me how's Kristen doing? How are the kids like one of the biggest things I think you did was bring Jim Ramsey over Ram or like a guy that understands the locker room. Like, like, is for you, did you have a guy that was, you know, a GM or a coach that, you know, told you, Hey, you got to be personable with these people. You can't be, you know, uh, above them. You got to be, you know, I think you got to realize that they're in the fight with you. Yeah. I mean, in, in some way, well, it is funny. You said that story because I do remember after we traded you, I traded you for, you know, you got too expensive. So we traded you to Florida. You know, I gave, we got some draft picks at the draft, right? So you called me and says, I'm going to the draft. I'm going to announce Florida's pick. Do you remember this? Yeah. And then you came to our after party and you came in and you gave me a hug and, and, and, and Chris Jury, at this time, he looks at me and goes, of course, has the league changed that much? The players are hugging general managers. Well, this is a special player. But, but no, uh, I mean, when I was in Boston, Harry Sinden was hard, was hard, right? It was hard on players, hard on agents and fought for every dollar. And that's how I was taught, right? And Michael Connell was less than that and, and, uh, more, more of a people person. Um, but then when I got to New York, Glenn, say there was like, you know, you have to remember that we're making deals with people. And if you win every deal and you rub it in their face, it's going to come back on you. So let's, let's worry about the next deal. So you start thinking like that. So that's kind of how you get your approach. Um, but, but you're right. Like trainers like Jim Ramsey, I joke with them all the time. I go, Ram, you're not that great of a trainer. You're just a good guy in the room. So be careful here, right? So, you know, you tell us two weeks, four weeks, six weeks ago, just be a good guy in the room, you know, but he's very positive. You have to have those kind of people, people, you know, I think it's the way to go, you know, we're in a partnership with the players. And we want our players to know they can walk in our door. They can say anything anytime. We're okay with it. And I think that's, that's the way that's going to, that's, it's just the way it's going to work from now on. And I think the successful teams, they have those kind of relationships and, you know, guys like you and, and, and, and, and hazy and all those guys, you have to have those guys around and have fun. And, you know, we want to be part of the fun too. You know, when we won game seven the other night, the guys were singing like crazy and singing a new hook. And, and, uh, nothing made, you know, us more happy up front to listen to those guys singing and, and joking and having fun. You know, winnings great. So why we do it. Yeah. Well, of course, I'm, this is awesome to a great series. We appreciate it. And, um, good luck. I appreciate it. Biz, you promised me you're going to Carolina, right? I got you. Carolina. We're part owner of the team. Don't worry. I don't know if you heard our ECHL team. We're, uh, we're affiliated with Carolina. We own like zero point zero, one percent. We finished dead last in the league or had coach got fired. The players played right here. Yeah. We got a hell of a mascot, though. Yeah. Before I go, who do you model yourself as, uh, after as an owner? Like, who's you? Who's it? You're more like, uh, uh, I just want to be like Dolan. He's going to kick my hands out of it. What do you mean, dude? I was hanging out with the play. I went first of all. I was the only owner of either of us that went back to hang out with the players and, you know, you're like crows. The guy in, uh, Chicago, the Chicago Jerry Jones, Bill Grumpy. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to, I'm going to be the owner that, like, puts himself on the team and gets some power play time. That's the kind of owner I am. I like, I like, uh, six defenseman, maybe we'll, we'll work it in there. I like players. That's pretty. That's as long as you do it for a team that's playing against us. Yeah. You know, you know, when the players go on the ice and like the smoke goes, that's not even, that's not, I just hit the ball and I just blow it to save money. Come on with tunnel. I, I, I probably should have left when you told me. Yeah. All right. I'll see you guys. Thanks for having me, everybody. All the best. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. That was awesome. What a guy. We appreciate that very much. That was so good. He's done a lot of the game and that's that shit. He's been around a lot. I need to turn around very quick. I mean, five years and all of a sudden, they're in the conference finals. So thanks to him. Quickly, we want to talk about boys, very special new sponsor, pin golf. Oh, boys got my package. That's my package, too. It's a boss and base golf tech company that makes products to help you play better golf and have more fun on the course. Their motto is better vibes, better golf. 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But I feel bad for Adam for a little bit. I mean, yeah, I mean, he should go. I think the oil's had a better team than them. He's got to go to Philly. Go back with talk. They 100% agree. Go go meet up with talk being assistant. Learned a little bit more. It's not easy to just hop in as a head coach. Either man, so many more responsibilities rather than like you worrying about a few things in my delegation and like running the D core. But I would, yeah, I would love to see him link back up with talk. I mean, he was there. He was there when talk won the Jack, Jack Adams, right? When they went to the second round against Edmonton game seven. So yeah, I mean, yeah, that would be awesome. And then so is that just rumblings that Melhotra will be the coach? Yeah, I think it seems like a lot of familiarity. He won. He was the coach of the team who won the call their cup. I believe it was a last year. Yeah, Abbasford. Yeah. And then they were waiting for their rings for like a year. But apparently it's going to be a rebuild. They're they're open to the rebuild. I think everyone's already always said Acqueline. He doesn't want a full rebuild. But I think that word was used in a press conference. So it's time to strip it down. They got the sedines there. They got Ryan Johnston. If you're doing that, your mind is well, just eat half of Patterson's salary. That's it. Yeah. Somebody somebody would send back some decent, as far as like draft package. And like, man, I think it with a new seven million a year for seven more years. I'd take that in Boston. Six only six million wins. That's like me minimum. It's fun. Easily six millions. Well, like a number four defenseman's going to be making it two, three years. Oh, but that's a long time. They could be like really good in five years. Oh, well, he's making 11 and a half. Will he want to stick around for that? I don't know. That there's going to be some big questions there with what goes on with Patterson. I just think he could thrive is like a second, got a second line center. And even at six million, man, maybe he'll end up being a third line center. But I just feel like if he's hidden in a better situation, in a place where it's not a Canadian market where it's going to be a storyline for the next few years, that I'm not saying I wouldn't take him at six million. I'm saying would Vancouver want to be eating that? Oh, yeah. If you want draft stock and to work on the rebuild, I think that you should like look at Minnesota. They're dying for a center, right? I would just not send out those rings and then put it towards the budget of paying a salary and eating that money. So I got a kick out of this one. Oh, actually, first off, Pasha was just fuming because he wanted Sheldon keep fired. And Sonny came into Jersey and he said we're keeping Sheldon keep. So he will remain the head coach of the devil. Should we have him chime in for like a minute? Yeah, hop on. Yeah. Let's start the clock 60 seconds. We're going to run the disclaimer. Guys, Sonny has said, Sheldon's our guy. We're going to run the disclaimer first guy. I can't hear this guy speak unless we get the disclaimer. Oh, maybe we can't. Oh, never mind. We can't get the disclaimer right now, because it's live. All right, warning, this is the range devil fan. Warning, this is offspring from the general manager himself speaking now. Hey, Pasha. I'm my on screen. Yeah, you will ever go now. I'm on screen. You're on screen. Yeah, as you know, I'm not happy with this decision. I was betting in the fire, Fitsy, betting in the fire, Keith drum. One of those two things happened. He's always ain't loyal. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm a little bit surprised just based on what I've heard. I think that there's a big disconnect in that room there and I think he was clear with on ice product that Keith had lost the room. So I'm a little bit surprised that Sonny made it. I wouldn't want to come in and just start fresh with all of his own guys. Um, David Galski, the goalie coach was let go. That's something devil's fans have been screaming about for years. They feel like every goalie that comes in their, their play just falls off a cliff. Um, some assistant coaches have been let go. So it's interesting that there's acknowledgement of some, some coaching issues, but Sheldon keeps his job. This is one of those ones. Boys, I hope that I'm wrong. I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope they go fucking 82 and oh, Keith wins the Jack Adams. I just don't see it happening. I don't see it happening based on what I've heard. I think it's one of those things you guys always talk about new GMs. They only have so many bolts in the chamber. Why does he want to save that? Because it's win-win in the sense of if Keith comes in and they're winning. Great. He looks smart. And if they're not, then you can use that bolt in the chamber. So I hope I'm wrong. And I hope, uh, I hope they have success under him. But I, I genuinely not to be negative. I just think it's a matter of when and not if Sonny made a fire. Sheldon, Keith, but overall your vibes are still high for the team. Yes. Uh, there needs to be a major shakeup this summer, which I think there will be. Yeah. Definitely. As far as personal like players roster roster, roster shakeup. Yeah, for sure. What's your biggest need right now? Biggest need is a top six scoring where George and the Nauru, one of those type of elite Doraphiev. Doraphiev. Yeah. Like a someone to play with Jack that can fill the fucking that because I'm tired of, you know, like I said, no disrespect to Andre Palat, but now how many years in a row do I see Jack dancing, putting on fucking Palat's stick just to put it in the goalies chest. So he needs an elite finisher alongside him. And the nemich, the nemich rumors of him wanting to ask, okay. Well, this is the second I've done my homework. I, I was in, you know, fishing hard. And this the second summer in a row, there's been whispers out of Slovakia about that. And I can confirm that he has not asked for. Okay. Does that, does that mean he won't get traded? I don't know. I think it's very interesting to see what will happen with him. I could definitely see him getting traded. I know that the Leafs, their previous regime had interest in a nemich's niles. Niles deal obviously other pieces in that. I could see them moving nemichs for a scoring winger. So we'll see. I think, I think nemichs will be very interesting how that plays out. If they, if they miss playoffs again next year, what do you think your punishments? Why are you laughing like that? You think it's not happening. I know we go this. You can't, you can't, he doesn't do. Not a rational human. What is that a crazy tape to say that Devils are. So we were talking. Yeah. Yeah. We think that we think that you should have to cook dinner for R.A. and Justine on a date. They get to go on a date together like a romantic date. Uh, I don't want to pimp her out. But if she's down, I'm down. That'd be hilarious. Oh, I get this guy to have this create. I think he's very about the dog. So I think that, uh, I think that's a good segue into, like, I know we've talked about this already with the Cassidy stuff going on. But since we last recorded, I believe that like the coach's union has, has came out with a letter. And it's a good topic of conversation about the fact that Vegas is now cock blocked Cassidy from talking to the L.A. Kings and also the Edmonton Oilers. And is there anybody else that they've cock blocked? I don't, I don't think so. It's not out there devils can i quickly say that The NHL was it so it was the NHL coaches union, at least I didn't know that existed I don't think they did either the first thing I thought of was was grudens Football fired football coaches around America union. I was like, oh my god This is this like real-looking coaches union. It was actually just established last month with a statement Like we stand behind Bruce Cassidy now here's the thing This is unheard of now. Maybe I'm wrong and there are other instances of teams being like no you're but yeah I've just I hate it because like because Cassidy and Edmonton seems like just the perfect fit for the Oilers and getting a guys He's gonna, you know, he's great exes and owes. He's gonna be a mother fucker to guys probably what they need He's got kind of get Vegas doing this like I understand Vegas is there such dirt bags There's such villains and they're like he's not going to a division rival I think it's I think it's bullshit for Cassidy. It sucks, right? You're stopping him from what if he really wants the coach So there's who knows if that's the case, but Vegas is like no it is crazy though that you can fire a guy and then be like no you're not going there I So so I think that this should be a lesson for coaches moving forward who when they eventually sign these deals that these teams are handing over Especially in your if you're the top five 10 coaches in the NHL where there should be a clause where if you if you were the one who's fired That you should have the ability to go and talk to other teams in that little like that cushion area now They owe him whatever four and a half five million dollars for one more year remaining on his contract now I don't know if this is the case if he's able to do this But it's clear that he's got teams by the balls where he could go sign a five times five deal tomorrow Like Edmonton would hand that over. I'm sure Toronto would hand that over and I bet you if he was available the Devils would probably give that to him Right, there's probably five teams looking for coaches right now that would hand over that deal So does he have the ability to say no, I'm here I'm ripping up this contract to keep your four and a half million I'm gonna go negotiate and get a new job. I don't think as much as the sucks I don't think Cassidy or other coaches should get to have their cake and eat it too If you want to move on and go get another fucking payday, which you will get Forfeit your four and a half million. Why do you why why are you why are you hanging on the fact that like Oh, if I go to these meetings and I don't get the job then I still get to get paid for the year if you're that good Is that even a loud but you're saying just keep what I don't even know if that's allowed I don't know how many people would it's like that the PA when if you have a contract in place They typically don't want players saying no, I want to fucking rip up and give up my contract of my guaranteed money Because I want to go play somewhere else and be happy We've seen this before with a player recently where he ripped up his contract and he ended up going science Who is it? I believe I believe it was okay. I know a player did it. I don't know if it was him But that might be the case And it's odd did it right it's odd did where was he in Chicago or St. Louis? Where was it Jonathan quick do it too? Columbus, I don't know so biz you're saying just to even go talk to a team He's got a forfeit that are rip up the contract. Yes, because yeah, it's he's gonna get a job like that like like only Obviously, I would not recommend this to a guy like for instance like no block I think no block has three years left on his deal and he might be making whatever four million bucks, right? I don't know if he's gonna go get that type of job offer right away But and maybe Edmonton doesn't care if he goes and talks to Toronto But in this case, it's evident that they don't Vegas does not want him back in the division, right? This is the vision they won by two points. You know as all their secrets. He's an incredible coach Why would you be paying a guy to go then talk to team that you're gonna be competing against and then he potentially higher by them? I don't even know if Cassidy has this option because it might be in the contract where no You're you're our property even though we fired you to the end of that deal and if you want to rip it up You still don't have the ability to go talk to other teams, but my assumption would be he has the ability to say I don't want your four and a half million keep it. I'm gonna go get not only that four and a half But more and in a longer term deal to compensate me for for what I deserve as a as a top ten coach in the national hockey league so If Cassidy's sitting there and he does have that ability and the coaches union is putting out these letters It's like no like if you want to go get a job with somebody else and forfeit your fucking money like Cassidy's made How much coaching in the NHL 30 40 million dollars? You don't need you don't need that guaranteed money while you're going to talk to other teams, especially Individually forfeit the money because you know you're getting it. That's the main thing. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend it for Who is the good I would if I was Woodcroft and I had two years remaining at three and a half million bucks Woodcross nothing the guy who's gonna be guaranteed a coaching job getting out of that Get you after getting fired at Edmonton, but he and Koop guy like Koop like hey Koop is five fucking team Slob it is not they're getting fucking and get handing over six seven million a year for a four or five year team whatever he wanted Not many coaches have that ability so if you're Cassidy and you do have that ability if you're so confident You want to go coach again forfeit your four and a half million bucks if if If that is in the contract where if he does that he does he can move on I don't know I don't know how much Vegas has him by the balls because you know They probably signed a deal where they basically own his family until the end of that contract is up. I wonder if this will ever Effect Vegas hiring guys moving forward. I think what it should do is that you smart enough agents and the top end coaches to having Causes that prevent against this stuff. That's what it is. Yeah, that's the learning it is like it is kind of Like I said, I get it division rivals, but it is kind of bullshit like hey, you're fired. See you later Thanks for thanks for that Stanley cop eight games left done and then you can't even go where you might want to go It's like it is kind of bullshit in terms of like if I want to Work for them in the future. What are they going to do to me when they fire me? I think that what's Vegas is gonna do say give me that second round or we just lost and you fucking talk to a bitch And pay my fine motherfucker and there are rumors that that David Carl is possibly talking to the maple I think he's crazy crazy if he goes there. Yeah, I mean what if they off from I mean army and morals I think they threw it like eight times eight like I mean if you get offered eight times 10. Well they gave back It wasn't bad cock making seven there. Yeah, I know, but yeah, which I know but to be able to literally whenever you decide Your what you want or willing to leave Denver He's pretty much going to have his choice of his job. Yeah, I guess if the money's completely ridiculous How do you say no? It just seems like oh my I don't know how is Toronto gonna be like just do the worst job possible for a year and a half and then go back to Denver after Just don't even I show up late every day. They don't let him go back to Denver. He's wearing a tank top walking in giving And final thing is I think you were a part of this the McKenna project. It's tonight after the game on TNT It followed Gavin McKenna all year at Penn State leading into the season and I think you you you were you a part of this filming? She was too, right? Well, they asked me. Yeah, G was on it. I think the The home by three guys were in it too. They said they wanted to get paid for it. I didn't get paid for it But oh, there's G right there with the chicklets you had now keep in mind like I Would not have agreed to do this unless we went there and met him and Watched him play like because I would have been like oh like I haven't really you know paid attention up until that point But after getting to meet him and shut out. I think it was Portland who set up that whole You did yeah, so and obviously Yann's basically being a Penn State booster at this point Yeah, man today show you the documentary though. I had the chance to watch it. It was it's incredible like we talked about Gavin and in his You know history being from you the Yukon like they go up to the Yukon and they film with him a lot and it's it's really good Like they get into like his his first nation's heritage and it's it's a really really cool hockey documentary and hockey documentaries They're such like they don't make cool hockey documentaries. I feel like that much anymore So something like this TNT match ace HBO. They did an incredible job with this I appreciate it in the trailer how it part of it it is brought up of you know This guy's not that good boss then all the social media aspect of really carving him the first time first part of the year And that you know that shows it's not just like a fluff piece like obviously it's about what he went through this year And how things switched after world juniors and I think one of the quotes in the trailer is Him saying like I was just gripping the stick so tight So I'm looking forward to watching it. But good job YouTube guys getting it getting in on that. Yeah, I actually do we I sat down I have not seen it yet. I sat down with them when I was in St. Louis at at chaser's a pot cancer event But I'll just say that like you talk about bedard And what he dealt with as far as like scrutiny and pressure and it being a whole new TikTok Instagram social media era There he will be the most scrutinized first overall pick I do that this a talkie world's ever seen, right, especially after that incident at Penn State, like this is, he's the guy right now, and Toronto being the, yeah, it's going to be insane. It's going to be insane. So check that out. Well, yeah, congratulations to them. Is it Montreal Victor? Yeah, Poulin got her first championship. The, uh, the Walter Cup and the first Canadian team to win the Walter Cup. So nice little sign for maybe the Canadian. So that's pretty cool. They got it done. They swept Ottawa. They won game for four nothing. So that's pretty second. I thought the Ottawa won one game in that series. Yeah, it was three one three one. Oh, it was three out of five. Sorry. Um, I'm just pissed. I couldn't see the score on ESPN.com. Yeah, that's bullshit. All right, brought up, but shout out Montreal and the PWHL champs right there. And, um, Biz can't wait to see you tonight. You're in the house in Carolina to see the madness. Montreal, Carolina, get it going and we'll be back to you guys Monday. Happy Memorial Day weekend, boys. Yes, I'll be in Puerto Rico. Oh, I know. I'll talk to you guys. You're going to come back all day. No, I won't. I'll be. I'll be pink, red, pink, witty sunburn. Love you all. Have a great weekend. Love you. You won't happen. Won't happen. Won't happen. Won't happen again. My bad habit worth breaking. But it's taking time. I don't know. Don't let it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again. Won't happen. Won't happen. Won't happen.