Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 647: Featuring Chris “Knuckles” Nilan & T.J. Oshie

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All the tweets. I believe there was three or four. I looked back of it's over. I remember I lost count. It's over and you sent the one. This is it. I have no rooting interest, but it's Montreal's time. It will end. I was like, okay, that's a good pre-game tweet. It was a long one. There was there was two or three more before opening puck drop on Saturday. Night. And that's all that we needed. That's all that we needed to get Buffalo back into this thing. Yeah. I got a merely reverse. You were trying to do reverse psychology. No comment. No comment. I felt like I wrote my like college thesis. That's how long that tweet was. And it was no grammar mistakes. People have been on me, but my grammar shut up. Oh, there was one. I said, I said the streets of Montreal will fill with join instead of joy. I don't know what you meant though. Okay. Well, I appreciate that. I was so tired from reading that or writing that tweet that I was supposed to go see gene as buddies who were in town on a bachelor party. I was I I thought I thought I took an ambient after writing that. I was zonked. So I shut up to all the college students out there writing papers and not having chat GPT do it because I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do it. Pinkies up to you. They don't do it. They have chat GPT do it. But there are the far and few between that actually put the put the fucking blood sweat and tears into it. Like I did shout out to me in my 100 100 word count. I don't know if this is great to say as a dad, but I'm sometimes wondering now, like, why are we spending so much time with math for kids at younger ages? Now, maybe this is very stupid of me, but so they can really need to know math in the next 30 40 50 100 years of life. Like I'm pretty sure it might all be taken care of. I think it's more to exercise the brain. I like that. And like, I mean, leave tip those Sudoku puzzles don't solve themselves, right? So you've got to do something. But going back to boys to that game in Montreal, like, I had every feeling that they were going to close that out. Did you not? Save it one sec because I did too. I did too. But I just want to before we bring in a guest, this will be the 203rd game seven, just a couple stats, just to lead us off 203rd game seven and Stanley Cup playoffs history. The second of this year, obviously, Montreal and Tampa in the first round, 19th consecutive year with multiple game sevens in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Now, having two through two rounds, I don't think that's ideal. I'm looking for four, which is maybe a little bit of a reach. Three, I feel like you can guarantee yourself, right? But no, we got two through two rounds. Maybe we'll have a couple more. Yep, yep. Three of the past six Stanley Cup champions required a game seven win along the way. That's Florida in the second round last year, as well as against the oilers in the 2024 final. That's when they beat your old team, Biz Toronto and my team, the oilers Tampa Bay in the 2021 Stanley Cup semi finals. The team that scores first, 152 and 50. That's a 752 winning percentage. That's incredible. And, and this obviously this past year, I mean, this past series first round, Montreal scored first, they ended up with nine shots on net. They got the win 105 of the 202 all time game sevens have been decided by a one goal margin. So that's only 52%. So you're not guarantee to close game, but we should have gotten a stat for maybe an empty net two goal win, which I consider a one goal. I'll put a busy stamp guarantee on this way. Well, it's going to not only be a one goal game. This one's going to overtime. This series, despite it going seven, every game has felt lopsided, especially in score. Like there hasn't been a lot of like barn burners and a good way where you're on the your edge of the seat to the final seconds. This is going to overtime, busy stamp of approval. Hot take right there. Well, that was my next stat that 50 game sevens have required overtime. That's 24.8%. Right. So half of the one goal victory margins are OT ones. And we got 14 game sevens have required multiple OT periods. The last one. Do you guys remember it was last year or no multiple overtime last year? Yeah. St. Louis at Winnipeg after the miracle come back. That went to second overtime that game when they tied it up in the last seconds. Yes. I didn't. I didn't think that either. I don't know is it. G double checking that right now. I don't know. He's got it on there. But I believe him. I believe him. And 27 players in this series have played in the game seven. Obviously everyone in Montreal. So my last news before we bring our guest in is we're streaming this game. So for anyone out there, you get, you know, and we're out there. We're doing this for you guys. We love doing it. But we don't get to listen to volume on a game seven. Well, I get my nap time through. And bass. If you fall asleep tonight, there's a punishment. There's a big time punishment. I'll fall asleep tonight. Okay. Um, I don't know if we want that either. But there will be a punishment if you fall asleep. Now we don't have volume. And I think for everyone out there, you should realize no volume on a game seven. That stinks. But we have each other to have for everyone at home. You got the game on ESPN. You got the announcers going. I think it'll be Sean McDonough Ray Ferraro. And then just have us over there. And if something big happens, we'll obviously be on a little bit of delay. We got to time up tonight. We all have to be on the same page tonight. Or we can hear over for some reactions. So I hope everyone wants to join us a little bit for a very special stream of game seven. And with that, go ahead, Buzz. I was just going to say before we bring in our, our guests, our special guests, like this guy survived death yesterday. Yes, and we'll get into that. And this is our guy, Murls. Now Murls before we bring him in or as we bring him in, he is currently in the stands in Sweden at a soccer practice. Scouting for his five-year-old daughter. No, he's scouting the next prospects. Do it. See that they're doing summer sports. If his daughter isn't on that field and he's at this soccer practice, we have a big time issue. But Murl, in terms of surviving death, as you boarded the plane to Sweden, I believe you found a tick on your body. That is not good. Yeah. I'm trying to do my best shielding key background for you guys there with the blue skies. Nice. You want to see the soccer practices over there? No. This is Sweden for you guys. But yeah, so I went for a little run. I go, I like to go for a little hero run before I get on the planes. Loosen up, get hydrated. I go in shower and I'm rubbing down the back of my leg. And it almost felt like a big zit. I was like, oh my god, like what kind of ingrown hair is that? I'm like, no, it's not that. It must be like a piece of tape from like a band-aid or something. So I keep pulling at it. You got to rip the thing off. I don't know if any of you guys have had one. I had one on me once, right? My leg. I didn't realize how dangerous these things were. Yeah, business. What's the big deal? I said they carry Lyme disease. So I don't have my glasses on. Obviously in the shower in my contact. So I can't really see the thing. I'm like, what is it? Oh, shit, it's a pick. I put it on the on the counter. I think still running around. I couldn't kill this thing. So I completely pan it. Call my brother. He's he was an old athletic trainer. He was he was completely no help at all. He's like, call somebody else. So thank God I my old Dr. O'Brien. I've talked about him before. The guy saved my life many times. Big Montreal Canadians fans, by the way. That's all that's good. Oh, that's a good old way. This is all murals. Yeah, so I call him. Yeah, he's me. He's like, make it a FaceTime call. So I can see that see the bugs. So I can see the leg and he's like, don't worry. You're going to be fine. I'll call in the medicine. I'm like, well, I'm leaving in an hour. He goes, oh, that's a little tougher. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I leave for Newark in an hour. So he made some extra special calls. I picked up the medicine, got out of there. He thinks I'll be fine. It hasn't grown any, but yeah, make sure you're checking yourself. Make sure you're checking your kid for a text because I was always a guy. It's never going to happen to me. Justin Case. I think Justin Case, we should all say something very nice to murals. Justin Case. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jan's first text was you're a goner or something. Yeah. That was panic. I damaged you though. I damaged you in which I said, I believe as long as it does a burrow its way into your skin. It's still on top. And you pick it off. You should be good. But you, you know, you are a guy that, that it's not, you know, you're a little bit of a mush. So I really hope that you're okay. I'm, I'm knocking on wood for you, I'm praying for you. And we appreciate you grinding through a tick bite to join us from Sweden. Tick bite. And then 18 hours of travel. But like, hey, just like the sabers, I was dead. I was a dead man walking after team five. You know, I was almost dead. Keith had me dead. I had the sabers dead and then all of a sudden that happens. Sorry. Before we, before we move on to, to talk about game six girls, I got one last question. Did you invent Lyme disease? No, no, that, that's one thing I'm not taking any sort of credit. Okay. All right. We're good to know. We're good to know. So biz already, biz already said it. I was with them. It was over. I mean, I saw that crowd in Montreal. I think they said 20,000 out there. And as the playoffs have gone along, the crowd outside the Bell Center, it's gotten deeper and deeper. And at the point Saturday night, the camera went to it. And as far as the camera could see, there was people, I'm like, oh, my God. And after game five, which was a complete shit kicking in which UPL is pulled, Lyme comes in. It's a disaster for the Canadians. I'm like, this is it. This is over. But just like in the first round, they have a chance to close out Tampa. They lose one nothing in that game. This one, they give up eight. What the hell switched and going into game six, were you like biz and I and saying this thing's done? Oh, it's completely done. It was the first time I didn't even make any bets on a game, this entire playoffs because I wasn't betting against my sabers and I, I think they're not going to win. There's no chance they can win. Are you going to bet the game seven? How do you feel about games? Wow. Yeah, I feel like I probably should it now, but I, I, you know, I don't dig. I don't dig like this. You know, we're not, we're not doing for techs, I, I, I, I, yeah, I, I, and I sent a text like, probably 10 minutes left in the third period to somebody in the organization. So it would be the first thing they see, right? When they come off the bench or out of their office, I won't give away my sources. I said, don't even let the guys go home. When you land in Buffalo, go directly to a hotel, set up the team meals. You got to treat this thing exactly like you did in Montreal, because they stink at home. So I don't know if they've done it. I have. They stayed at the Marriott. It was all murals. It was all murals. It was all murals. Lindy Ruff, he should have given you credit. He said right after the game, like, we're trying to figure out a way to get this game played in Montreal. Now both, I think the road team in this series is four and two. It's, it's, it's a place where you think both have crazy home ice advantage. I'm also now at the point where home ice advantage, like, doesn't matter in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Like, I know before I don't think it, I don't think it matters for young teams. I think that young teams sometimes have a problem like channeling it, which both of these teams are fairly young teams, right? Like usually you're able to like channel that energy and use it wisely and use that, like you said, that crowded bandage. And especially when you get six times Stanley Cup champion, Larry Robinson coming out with the torch, I mean, how do you not end it? You go up three, one there and then you, and then you're throw up all over yourself. Eight was it eight unanswered goals? Seven. Seven answer answered. Yeah. When's the last time that happened in a playoff game? That might be like a first time ever. I'm somebody also, along with my home ice advantage, doesn't matter anymore in the Stanley Cup playoffs. I'm also a little, I've always been like coaching is kind of overrated a little bit. The players are the ones out there doing it. There's only so much a coach can do. And maybe as a guy who said coach is kind of, it's time for them to be fired. I'm playing both sides here, but we have two incredible coaches in this series. And Lindy Ruff put his stamp on this series with those lineup decisions and those changes in game six. The amount of flip flop and he did and lineup changes that he, so he ended up putting a change Thompson on the first line with Benson and Josh Norris. Unreal call right there. I think haven't Benson with Thompson and then Thompson over on the wing made a huge difference. Now it seems to me that Thompson's definitely battling something as probably what eight out of every 10 guys left playing is battling something. Yeah, every list comes out after every series and it's like, yeah, the train is CVS. Yeah. Yeah, the train. They got fans fucking. No, it's like a World War II like injury recap of guys. You're seeing stuff. You're like, what the fuck's going on? How are these guys playing? Cut a goat. They had a broken spine. The guys out there playing for Anaheim. But Benson's the best player on Buffalo. Right. I think they put whatever line they're putting you on, he can go to any line and get whoever going. And that's why he put them there. He is their best player. He put crebs on the fourth line and then McLeod became the center of the second line with tuck and Josh Done. And then what he did was, which I had seen certain sabers fans calling for Zach Metsa to play. And I hope I'm saying his name crack. He was on the Quinnipiac winning team when they beat Minnesota Fures. And he's undersized. I want to say he's five, nine defense men, but buddy, he can move. He can fly around and he's done a good job with limited ice time. So Lindy Ruff makes some balls. He moves. They go down three, one and also go back to game five. It was only a matter of time before Demodov popped up. His goal in game five is first ever career playoff goal was a complete snipe. He just drags it in and rips it. Pinkies up. And then I said, he's going to once he gets one, the floodgates are going to open that shot in game six was, I mean, that's a straight up Ovechkin, Stamco's all time, one time, a back foot knee down to one. And was that that made a two one or three? Yeah, Jake Evans made it three, one short handed. And the Jake Evans goals are unbelievable. He's great. Coming back to last year, where much of a loss in the first round, there was a lot of discussion about moving on. Maybe they were going to trade him at the deadline. They came to an organizational decision. Let's resign him at a hell of a deal. I think two and a half, maybe two. And he's been great. But Murr, that was the goal where I was like, before you got to Murr, I had a Murr moment with the Demodov. Okay. Okay. You did. You had to take two. Oh, you did. You're right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm looking at I'm watching Demodov during this whole playoffs. He's not looking like himself. He's not getting the shots off. He's not making those cut-in moves that he's doing. The pucks coming off his stick a little bit more. So I go back and I watch all of his highlights from this year. And what do I know? I thought his stick was longer. And what do I notice? He's using white tape all year, making plays, having an unbelievable year, almost going to win the Calder Cup. And then this series in this playoffs, he's got black tape. I text someone from their organization like a murals and be like, Hey, we got to get this guy back on the black tape. Boom. He gets back on the black tape. What do you know? The white tape. Oh, sorry. Yeah. He was using the black and struggling. Goes back to the white. And so you had them take all the black tape out of the locker room. I actually flew up there. I don't know. No, this is security. I flew up there. And I took all the rent through tape out of there. Yeah. People do we know that Keith has he changed the series for Demidov and Murr has the Buffalo Sabre staying in America. So we've the chick, chickletas announced their presence, but, but on the Evans Goldmer lion, I tweeted out, save the puck. Save the puck. What? I was like, you have to save one of these because forget about Wi-Fi, Jack guy's goal was kind of brutal too. And, and no, there we go. UPL back in now in Montreal, the goalie doesn't sit on the bench. He's where the team exits for the locker room and the camera pans over the door to the locker. UPL is getting the stuff. But at that point, I'm like, this is crazy, man. They cannot get a save and an all time coaching decision again, that everything switched. That was a disgrace. Like the goal tending all series has been a disgrace, but that's, that's a good thing about hockey. UPL needs to play one good game tonight. Play one good game and they're moving on and everything is settled. And speaking of the goalies, when you said you pulled up Merle, I thought you were going to say about your call, but that all four goalies will show their face. in this series. Wow. I did. And we saw them all in this game. One game. But he should have been pulled after I think it was the fourth one. What do you mean? No, they only let up three. I was it. Oh, Dolby. No Dolby. Oh Dolby. Yeah. I think they should have pulled them after that fourth one, got rid of them because you know, at that point, like they brought Fowler in. It was basically halfway through the third. It's like, why even do it now? I guess you want to get him some rest because you have to go with Dolbus, right? For what he did last game seven against Tampa. So for me, it was almost like after the second period or halfway through the second period, just take him out, get him in the locker room and be like, hey, dude, go sit on the bus, get some rest, get ready for game seven. And you know, obviously Marty Marty had the comments after the game in Buffalo where he didn't take them out and they ended up winning it. And he's like, uh, it was my decision. The coach, the goalie coach obviously helps me out. So maybe they were trying to think a little bit too far ahead, like keep him in and we can come back and win this game. But when your goal is letting in goals, like five hole on the ice or no screen, uh, slap shots from almost the blue line, you gotta know, he's not feeling it and give him the yank. So I don't tell a vowel. And we haven't even mentioned. Boy, I was going to, yeah, I was going to chime in. I mean, I think that we, we jumped the shark here, Ross Mustaline boys. That's just that first goal. I mean, not only the first goal, but the first time he's ever been in an elimination game in his playoff career, obviously, because he hadn't been in a playoffs until this year, five fucking points, remarkable performance. Everything that this guy dealt with this year, um, nominated for the, the Norris, probably going to win it. I mean, at this rate, it seems like a lot of people have him as a lock. He has just given me that dirty look because he's got his boy Rarenski, but regardless, top three in the league defensive defenseman and all of the sudden he has a game like that when facing elimination. So unbelievable performance. Uh, another guy, too, who we always talk about, maybe wanting a little bit more from like, especially physically, own power. I think he's led their D as far as ice time so far in this series, like everyone coming back from that from his leg, turning into a pretzel. I don't know how he was. I can't believe he was okay after that. What a habit. You must be Gumby or like, uh, what's, what's the guy who you'd stretch them? Stretch arm, stretch arm. Oh, it is. Gumby. It is Gumby. Uh, let's get to charge. Sean, you had both your, your look at me. Look at me firing all cylinders. But boys, like that's a pretty, that first goal. Like we've been talking about Lane Hudson, Lane Hudson, Lane Hudson, because he's been coming down and walking, doing all this crazy fucking black magic bullshit offensively. That was a pretty silky move to cut inside and then go to the backhand top cheddar. Keep the change. I forget the forward that was coming. He was kind of approaching him defensively. He went down on one knee and a guy like Daliene or Hudson or these top end defensemen, like you go to, you're done. Like I don't really get. Maybe thought he was going to shoot it. Obviously a great sell by Daliene, but he was actually the first defenseman in NHL history with five points in an elimination game. Oh, wow. It wasn't just incredible for him. Don't say wow. That's my word. Wow. That was a great, for anyone who hasn't seen the clip of Keith saying, wow, like he's so bored by all of us. I think Big Cat said it was for sure to you biz. I kind of laughed at that, but I've definitely got a couple. Wow, shut up basically in his head. It's just, it's like when your, the caption was when your friends telling a brutal story and you're like, wow. Wow. Yeah. Holy. And in your head, you like stop fucking talking out of here right now. I don't feel like that for you guys. It might have been good. I got a couple of things for you though. Montreal's five and oh, after a loss in this playoffs, I believe their last two games, they're one in one. Their last four games are two and two. Do you guys see that tweet? Yep. Last six games are three and three. The last eight games are four and four. The last ten games, five and five. The last I get something ridiculous. It just keeps going. You can look for that tweet. All that said, we're in a game seven and Alex talks, spend the worst player in the series. So, again, our goalie can play one good game. Alex, talk can play one good game. Everything's forgotten. And we're on the Carolina. But Benson with talk, Merrill. Merrill's I got, I got one for you before you go. There's been 45 goals scored in this series already. Guess how many in the Carolina two series have been scored? 12. 34 combined. So, and you guys, you guys want Carolina in the finals. Good call, Merrill. I'm wondering why, because you look at Tampa, Tampa in the seven game series had 12 goals against Montreal. And Buffalo has what, 21 already. No granted, like the two, they have some empty netters and stuff. But you'd feel like Tampa would be able to score at least at the same rate as Buffalo. And maybe Buffalo's defenseman kind of flying around have made it more difficult for Montreal, because, you know, they didn't, they don't have a, a, a, a, a, a lean in Tampa in Tampa, especially with headman out, they don't have a biram. If powers moving around, which he has, Samuelson has the, at least one goal, right? On the back door play. Yep. So it's been interesting that Buffalo's had more offensive success than Tampa did against the Canadians. I think both these teams play such a similar type of game where they're deer up in the play. And that's why they're high scoring games. And I think Tampa, especially when playoffs starts, like they know what it takes to win in the playoffs with the low scoring games, like they kind of can go and play that game where Montreal's young and Buffalo's young, like, they're still playing the way that they played in regular season, like that running gun game, which I, I love it. Like, it's been fun. It's been entertaining. You're getting a ton of goals. But I think to, you know, really buckle down and win this game, like they said, it, you know, a one goal game going over time, it's, it's, it's one of those things you got to figure out as an organization, a young organization to win these games. And, you know, Buffalo obviously has this, has, has a game seven played this, last year's against Tampa. And I think there's only six guys on Buffalo that have played in the game seven. So maybe a little bit more, more credit to Montreal for this game going into it. Maybe they have a little bit of an upper hand, but you never know. Do you hear who's banging the drum? Oh shit. The tick that they found on the roll's leg. No way. There's seven men. That might not be true, but I do know this to be facts that they've put the beer sabers back on sale. Yeah, that's game seven. So everybody's kind of be getting real bulletinate, real laugh. He's going to go buy another one. Like Buffalo honestly have a box. There he is out in the box. Referees put away the whistles. Let's have a nice 3 2 OT game. Game seven style. I agree. I agree. I see you guys tonight on the stream. Yes, Marley. Appreciate it. I think it'll be 130. If you're still alive, 138. Bring the lines. We got four sponsors. The same four sponsors. I'll be ripping the ads all night. Yeah, you will bring the athletic group alive and salt. Merri, you, um, why I mean, go dodge the police from being in a random soccer practice for little kids. Yeah. So yeah, some little kids just pulled out his horn and peed behind this. This fact. You guys made me come. Okay. Get him off. Get him on. Yeah. This bomb. See him. I think we we have seen, um, two of the greatest dives I've ever witnessed in Lane Hudson when Josh Norris hooked them. That was a straight up swimming pool dive. It was incredible. And Josh don't had an amazing one as well with the head flew back. I think that was game five. So, you know, everyone's doing their best to draw a call. Um, Matheson and carry a tough game at home game six. You got to think they bounce back. Um, I, man, I just, I don't know what I don't know what to expect. Mergers said, just give us a good game. Biz, that's all I want is a good game. I can't have a blow game seven. And even though, uh, much only had nine shots on on net in game seven against Tampa, it was still a great game. It was exciting. Dolby's just standing on his head the entire time. They're trying to hold this lead. They get a late third period goal by new hook. I need a good game tonight. I think we all do. And, uh, I mean, you think Dolby's mental is going into this game after getting pulled last game. Like, that's going to be a tough. I think he's pretty cool. I think he's fine. Yeah. He's pretty calm and like also like, like, I think he's playing with the house's money, man. This has been a fucking great year for him. Like, yeah, you're going to have games like that. And also, like, the overall defensively, they imploded too. I'm not just saying, like, it's, it's all on him. There were some rough goals there. But, um, yeah, let's see. I mean, it all goes back to the way that they've been able to bounce back. It's kind of like, like a, like a new school Vasilevsky. Remember, like Vasilevsky's number after facing a loss, like how he was able to, to regroup. So I think that this is going to be, I think it's going to actually be a four three overtime win. I'm not going to or three overtime win for who? You don't know who I, I don't know yet. And I'll send everything later today. I don't know. I don't have a feeling yet. I need to, I need to just get through this podcast. And then I'm going to, I'm going to sit with it. I'm going to do a little meditation. I'm going to hop a J. I'm going to sit in my pool. Because the home teams have struggled so much, it's so hard to pick this game, right? Like, you want to take, you want to take the home team, at least to like, but these wrote to, they're so good on the road right now. It's like, how do you go against the road team? So I'm going to go to this though. I don't know if you guys saw that viral video and we talk about the fandom and Montreal. and how many people they had outside the building. Well, there was a video that was posted and it was a guy walking through the storm where they all stand to watch the monitor outside and he had a Jack Quinger's young. I don't know if he was with his sister, his girlfriend, his wife, but it was just the two of them. And they were going right through the gauntlet and there were Canadians fans, not only like yelling at him, chirping at him, somebody threw a roll of toilet paper at him. - Oh, they're dirty. - It's dirty. - Did you see the bit? - It was used toilet paper, I don't know if it was used. - I don't know if it was used, I don't know. Did you see the video I'm talking about with? - I did not. - Okay, well, I quote tweeted it. You can go see it on my Twitter account and sure enough, Jack Quinn hadn't scored a goal. - Oh my God. - All playoffs. So what does number 22 do? He scores two goals, his first two of the playoffs in facing elimination and backs against the wall. So I think that I was shocked and not see Blade Gang come to their defense. I don't know if they were nowhere to be found if they hung out in Buffalo, but I just feel like maybe that was a pivotal turning point in fandom going overboard and being disrespectful. - Yeah. - The lucky gods were like, a roll of toilet paper. Absolutely not. - Also, Jack Quinn, the first one, Dallene passed to him. I think, I don't know if it hit anything. I don't think it did post it in, but it looked like Dolby should have had it. The second one, I don't, I can't recall seeing a snipe from where he was. It hit the top of the net. That was, it's a point of entry. Like that is just a world class snipe. I actually saw a side by side picture of one of Taj Thompson's goals. It might have been against Slovakia in the Olympics. The exact same knee down and both those guys can rip it. But like Demodov gets one in game five, he stays hot, gets one in game six. Jack Quinn gets his first two. I wouldn't be shocked to see him score tonight, but we do have a very special guest. And before we get to him to talk about game seven and kind of fill us in on what he thinks. - Hey, Chickles fans, we're gonna take a quick break for a message from one of our partners. - It's Fran from Chick's in the office. The weather is getting cooler and Abercrombie's fall drop has everything I need for the season. The best selling A&F Sloan Taylor pant is a closet staple for me. I'm always wearing it to work events. Happy hour, anytime I want to be a bit more dressed up. And the viral Dylan dress is easy, one and done perfection. 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Pick up a Lucky One Sweet Tea today and give back one can at a time. - Let's bring in a special guest, a man who's a legend in Montreal from Boston. And I'm gonna drop my sword for this guy as he prepares us for game seven. That's Chris Nyland, Knuckles Nyland. We appreciate you coming on. What's going on? What are the thoughts right now, Knuckles? - Well, I'm trying to play golf this morning, but it still went to here. - Oh, well, back, it's fucking freezing. So, we've been battling that in Boston. It's actually like 80 today for the first time. So I'm sorry you're not in the course right now and talking awesome puppets. - Niles, you don't look, you don't look a day over 60. You're 68 years old, buddy. What do you do? What's your routine? - My routine is no more drinking, no more drugs. - Well, that's a good idea. - Bizz, you got one of those down. - Yeah, I'm halfway there, buddy. You look unbelievable. Thank you so much for joining us, man. - Next, Bizz. So Knuckles, we mentioned a couple minutes ago, the vibe at the arena and outside the arena and the dominance in Game 5 by Montreal. We all had it, it was done. It was over. And I'm sure the city felt the same way. What do you think about their effort and more than anything being up 3-1 and then it just switched after UPL went back in for the Sabers? - Well, it's kind of, Game 5 and 6 was kind of like a microcosm of Buffalo season, right? The way they started and the way they finished and Game 5 and 6. And then Game 6, boy, you know, they get up 3-1 there. And I think the thing that haunts this team and it's been covered up quite a bit by the goal tending was the way they play in their own end of the ring. If, you know, you saw it in that game. You know, you got the fence mint chasing up to the blue line. Talked about this earlier in the year about this team. It's one of the things that haunt them. They get turned around. The offensive team pulls switches on them and they get mixed up. They turn it back to the puck. And then Dolbech has a stand on his head and he's done a hell of a job doing it. But after a while, that gets old. That gets tough on a goal tending. So that's one of the things it's too late to really correct it. I think they've done a pretty good job during the playoffs. But boy, it comes back to haunt them every time. - Knuckles, this team, the Montreal hasn't lost back to back games since March 14th, March 15th. Like, what is it about that group? But, you know, even last game you get blown out. Like, what is it that you have the confidence in them to rewrite the ship tonight and have a better game? - Well, I would hope so, you know, looking at that pass. But you control that all the window game seven, you're in the opposing building. I always say it like, you know, guys would rather be home game seven. But boy, game seven, the home team has all the pressure. You have to, you're expected to win. And I think if they come out and put their game to them, they have a good opportunity. I think the resiliency part, this team grew together. They went through a lot of growing pains. There's no question. But this coach, Marty St. Louis, like, he's able to park stuff and put it behind. Yeah, he'll hold this guy's accountable. But he very, very, really uses the stick. It's always a carrot. And I think these guys respond to it. You know, they've, you know, I've talked to a few guys and they said some of the things they've heard him say in the locker room, they never heard come out of another coach's mouth. And they're young Koreas, or, you know, even in minehawk. So, yeah, I, a lot of credit to him the way he's able to deal with deal with these kids. And, yeah, they've done a good job at bouncing back. I hope they can do it again tonight. Do you mean just some, as far as like positivity, maybe in moments where it's easy to be negative? Like, just like the way he's able to inspire them? And like, do you have an example of like, of what you're talking about? How of something that they, they're like, wow, like, we weren't expecting to hear that at that point. Well, not so much, because I, again, not so much an example as far as hearing what he said or knowing what he said, but just a, for instance, when Kirby Doc had that game, right? Like, he stuck with him. This whole city up here was calling for this kid's head. And here's the coach back in a big time. And then he comes back and has a huge game. You know, so, you know, he just does things that you don't see those old school of conventional coaches do, you know, you know, back in certainly my day. And I'm sure some of you guys tasted this too. It's like, you know, do what I tell you to shut up. But, you know, that's it. And you don't hear that from my deep. There's no question. Yeah, you're talking about game. I think it was game two in Tampa, right? Yeah, Kirby Doc had that tough, tough icing and then ended up, they ended up scoring the next shift or he went on to the demand. But like you said, stuck with him. And obviously like instilled more confidence in him. And that line was huge throughout the back half of that series against Tampa, where I think they outproduced, definitely outproduced that top line because the top what line went kind of dry on power play and even five on five. But army, army sending a question here. And I was actually going to ask something similar because going back to last game and you played with him and won a cup with him in 85 was Larry Robinson. Six times Stanley Cup champion. He carried out the torch for game six. And you got the opportunity to do that. Army's question was, how nervous were you doing that? Like was that one of the coolest moments of your life? Yeah, there's no question. Listen, you know, before I did it, it was only Hall of Famous, right? It was John Belovov, Ivan Conway A. Rashad, Kabul, different guys had the opportunity to do that. When they called me, I was like, I was heading down to Massachusetts on Thursday because, and I'm not blowing my own horn here, but I conducted to the mass hockey Hall of Fame, which was an honor in and of itself for me. But they called me and end up asking me. I'm like, okay, so I had to change my plans. And, you know, it was emotional for me because again, being a kid from Boston coming up here, First English ambassador ever with the team. you know, another whole, you know, La Flora bringing the torch out, La Flora an embassied a bella bowl, all the greats and getting that, that call was, it was awesome. So, coming out with the, with the torch was really cool, having that opportunity. The fan base was, like, this fan base is just rabid up here. It's incredible. Like, I've never, honestly, I've never been in a building like that. I don't think there's one. You know, I went to Liverpool Everton last year. And they sing the soccer, you know, they sing all, and it's a great, great atmosphere, but the electricity in that building before the game, during the game, especially if they're doing well, the balloon got popped the other night. There's no question, but it's incredible. I sit there some nights and I'm like, if I was ever in that runway, waiting to come out, I think I'd kill someone. Oh, that's, that's gotta be the, that's the best come out in the NHL right there, because you thought it's, it's so wide, it's right in the middle of the ice. So it's like the perfect spot to come out where it's, you know, front and center. Oh my God, that, that ice has lit up. Everybody's on their feet. It's, it's remarkable. There's nothing like in hockey. That's for sure. Yeah. Um, we were just saying before you came on or Keith asked the question about Dolby's mentally, you know, he gets the hook, and now you got a game seven on the road, but I kind of said from his interviews and stuff, he seems like a pretty level headed, doesn't get too high, doesn't get too low guy. Um, what, what have you come to learn, you know, watching him and covering him this year and this playoff run about how he might approach this game seven? I agree. I think that bad game he had early in the year when he cried out to the game, he got it out of his system. Like, hello. What would you have done to your team at if he cried after a game? Put the torch on him. The next practice went off the head. But, you know, he come on, said he's a goofy kid. He likes it. I had an opportunity to meet him last year and, um, in a golf tournament in Newfoundland and, um, yeah, I saw him afterwards and he is, yeah, he's nonchalant. He's, uh, but boy, when I see him on the ice, his focus, you know, between breaks, everything, he really, he, he's a focused kid. He's, he's, he's surprised a lot of people. We saw a little taste of it last year in the playoffs. I think it was a little overwhelmed. Doesn't any easy situation to be in, but it was a good taste for him. The kid is resilient. I, I see him as bouncing back. You know, um, he, he certainly wants to overcome what happened in game six. Um, R.A. was in attendance. I know you ran into him and he was saying when they were doing the player intros that Lane Hudson got the biggest pop. What's it been like just like watching the start of his career and like what he's meant to that team and like what he's able to do at such a young age like his motor is, is like out of this world. And quickly, before you go, when you first saw him like off the ice, you must have been like, what? Like this guy's going to play. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to pull out the little tennis racket that you electrocute the flies with like, he, um, yeah. Well, I saw him the first time this kid's going to get killed and that's him. Yeah, you can't. He is so elusive. He's so assertive when he has the puck, his leg. He got these crazy legs that go in directions that normal legs don't go in. And, and he's, it's crazy. He'll come down the wall who's spin off and turn like to watch him as much as I have. I just, it's so like the one bright point in that game, yeah. It was him. You want to, one of the bright points. There was other guys that certainly showed up to play, but not all of them. They, they struggled, but that kid is, yeah, he's amazing. You know, the innocent goal and then the, the car field goal in game five, like he's coming in the goalie thinks he's shooting all the way and he's not even looking at that player and he gives them the park. He's looking straight at the goal tender and that puck goes across and they get tap two tapping goals. Just incredible plays that every night, it's something. And for me, my biggest surprise watching this kid is ability, his ability to defend and he defends well with a stick. When he has to use his body, he'll get it in a way in such a way where he can take the puck from you. He doesn't have a little power, guys. He's just so smart. He's so quick. He can take the puck from you and make you look cool. It should be six, six, six, six, five, whatever, six, four. It doesn't matter. You can be a little Benson. He's going to take it from you. And that to me is the biggest surprise. The way he's able to defend. Yeah, he's, they call it surfing, like how the way they defend some of these small guys and how they angle you off. But going back to the Anderson goal, bad door is, is, I'm sure we'll see it a ton tonight game seven is every time they have an offensive zone draw. And it's on the left hand side for like the offensive team and it's them. They usually have them on the ice and they're running faceoff plays every time. And it's not the same one. Like you saw the other night where like they're like talking like it's a quarterback ready to fucking, you know, snap back the pig skin and then all of a sudden they're running out. So it's pretty cool to see what they've done as far as schemes basically like around this player. Like because when he gets it at the point and he, you know, right off of fresh draw, like he could go anyway, he's a water bug and he creates so much offense from like a dead stop. So it's pretty cool the way that that Marty's coach that and I'm interested to see how much it happens tonight. Yeah, listen, it happens against them too. And that's where they really got to be careful. But you know, I think certainly that's where Mottie comes and he got all these schemes. He's able to, to set plays. You know, I love about Mottie and I, you see a lot of NHL teams, you know, there's a timeout and guys come over the bench and the assistant coach got the boy out. Not here. Mottie has it every time and you see all those guys are very attentive. They listen, they're not like looking down the bench, talking to someone else, why the coach is talking. They're all in there and they all have their nose in there. So that's a good thing. But yeah, he's, you know, I've seen him work with Demodov and practice a lot of times talking the kid on the, you know, doing stuff on the wall, spinning off the wall. He did it with Cole earlier, where he sets up on the pp, taking that step to the middle to improve his angle. All those things, like he really, yeah, he, he played the game, you know, the guy that that's certainly not drafted, not supposed to make it setback, setback, and then he becomes all of famous. So the guy knows what the hell's going on. There's no question. Not goes the start of periods and start of games for Montreal's not been great, right? They're getting scored on, giving up opportunities. Like what, what is good? Do you think it's one of those things where it's just brain-farts, guys, guys are not into the game yet? Like, but when it just happens more and more, like you, you got to think it's an issue. No, I was just patting the coach on the back, okay? Now let me look at the, listen, every game, they've started Suzuki, Slapkowski, and Carfield. They win the draw, Slap gets it, he dumps it in for who, Cole Carfield. Chances are he's not coming up with the park. It's not his game. I was hoping to see like Anderson in company out there, like put the park in and establish the way you want to play. And I'm not saying those guys can't do it, but they've started every game and it's been a piss-poor start every time, every time they get it stuck right up their hoop. So, you know, yeah, I would like to see that change. I like to see them put out guys that are going to put the park deep and going and put the, put the body on guys and get that game going before you get the fancy shit going. You say hoop two, eh? Up the hoop. I like that. You said right in nicer. Up the five hole. Or as we should look for that tonight to see if Marty changes it up, I agree with you, Knuckles. That's that would see Anderson going there with a flying elbow or something. Fucking crazy. Set the tone alone, bugs him alone style. Yeah, in a game seven, I would say like most important player goalie and Dolbus in Tampa. He proved that. But after him, I'm going to say for me, it's Suzuki. I'm interested in your guy. You know, he's the captain. He started it off in game seven in Tampa with that beautiful deflection. It was going wide, got a good balance, but still a great tip. Is that a guy for you that's like tonight after Dolbus, he needs to be going. He needs to be at the top of his game because you've seen moments of him being brilliant. And then moments where him in that line have been very quiet. It's kind of random how it's worked for them. Yeah, it has. You know, I think Nick's resiliency slick Nick. You know, he's he's so level. I have not seen his kid get too high, get too low, which I think both well for the whole group along with the coach, right? To have that example as a captain. But yeah, they've struggled. And again, you know, you know, play off hockey is so different than the regular season. It's just so different. And all of a sudden, it's like for guys who haven't played it and even guys who have a little bit under their belt, it's still a shock. When all of a sudden you know there's the openings that were there during the regular season aren't there in the playoffs. I think it was game five and Buffalo there where Nick he had the puck on the side of the net and just inside the dot and it looked like he was going to shoot a shot at it and he ended up passing it for a tapping goal and like those are the things he can do under pressure and he does quite a bit. He's bigger than I think a lot of people think and he plays that that 200 foot game you know he really responds with both ends of the ring. Last guy I was going to ask you about in particular was Jake Evans and like a guy who doesn't make a lot of money there was rumblings that they're maybe going to trade them because they couldn't figure out a contract situation but eventually they ended up signing on I think he makes like 2.75 2.85 million I've been blown away by his performance so far in these playoffs not exactly a world burner as far as like the offensive output but you know I actually in playoffs he's been a lot better than regular season as far as point per game output but what do you see from him like he's been awesome for them in this stretch here. Yeah I've been a great leader you know listen that face off dot he's been awesome penalty killing and 5 on 5 he's not going to hurt you you know he's not going to hurt you at all and that showing and the goal was huge the other night and you would think up 3 1 well all right let's let's not sit back but let's play smart here and boy the wheels fell off but Jake yeah he's leader on the ice another kid that's pretty even killed and just a good example of what you want from an NHL player another 200 foot player you know and and certainly the contract was was I think a bit of an issue there for a bit but then he ended up saying listen I want to play here I want to be part of this I wouldn't mind winning a Stanley Cup one day and you know I give credit to the top you know when you Jeff Gordon good of course we got to bring a guy from Boston up the straight to Canadian though but they you know all right together and and can use like being a guy who negotiated contracts on the other side knowing that game and and then the two of them together you know there was some controversial picks you know slap koski was like everybody why don't you take the other guy you know here's a team that need to get bigger tougher and stronger and you know they made some incredible picks to build this team and and you know we talked about the fan base earlier they've been awfully patient and now they're starting to see some of those rewards and boy they're letting them know how much they love what's going on it yeah they got slammed for that slough pick when when Shane Wright was kind of like the like the uncontested first overall never forget Shane writes look to the to their table after after you finally got picked what was it fourth but yeah they got they got smoked for for that one and slough's kind of turned out exactly how they expected and then he struggled a little bit to his first year yeah I mean I call them a boss he was getting concussion yeah another another guy to that struggle the little bit in you know we've all played with Russian guys where if they are struggling you can see it in their body language they're not giving it whatever but Demodod's been a guy he hasn't been scorned till you know two games ago but now he is but he never it never looked like he really was getting off his game he was still doing the little things right still trying hard like what do you see from that kid yeah this is a bright future you know he really a lot of talent he's another one the spin moves being able to take the puck with him and not lose it you know when you when you spin like that and you're trying to trying to get to the middle of the ice and what I like he's penetrating now like the other night in in Buffalo going to the net when he got cross checked out like he wasn't on the outside he's taking the puck to the net that time I think that's going to help him but you know we often forget and I know they do here slap was 18 years old the other kids 19 it's like the you know I get it's a kids game today but there's still young as far as the league you running to guys who've been around for a while you know they're gonna they're gonna hand your hat to you you know CLA and I think this they've got a taste of that and they the more and more experience they get the better they're gonna be you know slap slap was living in Finland at 16 years old in his own place and when he had to it wasn't show what the cookie calls mother and the mother would tell him what the fuck I mean come on 16 years old who does that you know I'll still eat burgers it's 16 years he was eating cheese it's in in Reese's yeah hey chickens fans we're gonna take a quick break for a message from one of our partners on game day gets substacked high at Jersey mics like the number 13 original Italian loaded with meats cheese and toppings or the number 56 big Kahuna cheese steak with grilled steak peppers onions and mushrooms topped with jalapenos and melty cheese get your sub fix on game day in order in store or the Jersey mics app all right now back to the show it's been a while since Montreal and the city got to experience this 2021 even when they were in the finals it was it was covid you know the arena wasn't full till you went down to Tampa what is the city like like how do you describe it for people who've never been there and going around even at the golf course today I'm sure it's all anyone's talking about how how special is this city when they're in the mix right like they are right now there's a different vibe boy you know like when I played yet it was crazy you know people going around in the car they get the flag out the window right that they pinch it up when you roll the window up you see them everywhere people are beeping at each other people are wearing jerseys it's crazy everybody has a red jersey um yeah you know you wear a white one the game you're an outcast and um it's like a whole different vibe the restaurants are going every it's just crazy and if they do get out of this round you'll be even crazier this come a weekend because for me the one is here at the same time it's insane like you know just the buzz the people absolutely love it they're so passionate about the team and I always say people it's not a hockey town here it's a Habs town you know and they proved that back in the world junior you know they had the world junior here no one showed up to the games they couldn't they couldn't sell it out you know but when the Habs are going there's nothing like it and this yeah I was with you in Arizona when that shit happened I would love oh I could have used it but he does too head kicked in yeah you probably would have did better than I did no I was I was like since you just talked about it being a Habs town 85 I was believe is that the year you want it yeah 85 86 80 you played 18 playoff games that year you scored one goal who is your goal against let me think just say a Hall of Famer I don't know usually I remember most of them but I don't remember that I don't know I think well in Calgary I hit the crossbar twice in the same games shift out the ship crazy I remember the referee come up and he said to me knuckles hit the net I'm like fuck my last one that what was the celebration like a Montreal when you guys won at 86 insanity you know I remember flying back when we shot it back and then just it non-stop like non-stop and going to City Hall you know and then going down St. Catherine Street probably the room was probably about seven six miles from City Hall backwards down St. Catherine Street and it was insanity like we were all in convertibles they had the cup on a float with the captains and the assistants and then everybody else I was in a convertible with Mario Tromblay and Guy Carvino and it was insanity people have passing your drinks and not I'm surprise I didn't get roofied and you wouldn't have minded oh yeah we did at that point grouping himself yeah and then we go by super sex and the girls are all hanging out the window up top they're taking the pop pop music they we would get it was a storefront the storefront over a million people it's crazy people are not here and I love to see that again in my lifetime there's no question about it it'll be awesome you got you guys had Patrick walk him in as a rookie you got Dolbych as a rookie this year like there's some signs for the young goalies there there's no question and follow you know coming in the other night is a tough situation with our kid to be trust into but hey that's you want to play net that's what happens and yeah Dolbych certainly member Patrick come in another kind of goofy look and goalie come in and you know he stood on his head I mean we had a really good defensive team that year though you know we we had the least goals against in the league that yeah and Patrick came in halfway through so I team played well the fancily of Patrick's next on this head. So Bash, man, the future look right here, both goal tenders, and, you know, they might have an issue at some point, if, you know, that's going to be a battle. The two of them, when, you know, the regular season comes around again next year, which is a good problem to have, and hopefully you can get both of them under contract at the same time. But yeah, things, things look good here. I just, I hope for this group, they, they get it done tonight. They've shown their resilient, and you know, you put some pressure on the home team early, and they stuck ripping the sticks, you never know. Knuckles, since you brought it up on before we let you go, so like in your heyday, when you guys won that cup, like if you go into super sex, like there's every girl, he lived there. He lived there. It does every girl has every girl, like, Knuckles, Knuckles, no, we used to go to Shay Perilla Wanda's. We didn't go to super sex. So I'm like, okay, I did. I've been to Wanda's with, yeah, I went there with a couple of the guys being in the cave. That's what, that's where you know, that's when you feel like an NHLers, when you walk into a strip club and bunch of all, and they treat you like you're like your royalty. No, it's crazy. It's the best. Yeah, the best. The lovely sexy and beautiful shunt pal, ah, we, we, we, we, welcome to the main state. Knuckles, you're the best, though, you're the best, buddy. Have a good round in it. And I don't know what you'll be doing for game seven. I'm sure you'll be, ah, all fired up, though. And I, I hope we get a great one. So we appreciate it and, and keep crushing it up there. I'll be licking my wounds on shooting 92 today because I, that's okay. That's okay. I'm going to go to Wanda's. You'll get licked as well. So, other guys, good to see you. See you later. We never, we never asked Knuckles about R.A., what, how was the running with R.A.? R.A. It was fine. You know, he, he was on good behavior with me, which was nice. Um, yeah, he was, he was happy to be there. He had called me and said, you know, I'm thinking to come on up. I'm thinking to come up. I said, if you, you haven't seen this atmosphere, yeah, you got to check it out. You don't, you don't want to miss it. And his, his credit, he come up and, and got a taste of it was pretty, he might still be there. We know what we're going to cost him a couple of minutes here. Yeah. He cost them the game. He sat in Cornwall, A C, and then that was the end of it. Yeah. If he tries to, if he texted you again, that he's coming back up, said, no, not now. I've already deleted them in my contact. Yeah. All right. Knuckles. Have a great one. All right, guys. Thanks. What a guy. What a guy. Awesome. Had him come on. And yeah. I mean, I actually forgot. I was going to ask him 86 or 93, the year the Canadians, I think they won 12 games in overtime. But I looked it up quick. It was 93. So, um, let's see if the, if the Habs can get, can get through. We got a great one. What's that celliosis first year, two 93 or was it? Tell us what's on the 86. He was on 86. I don't think he was on the 93 team. I think he was already in Chicago then. Hey, one of the all-time, best nickname through Knuckles, Knuckles, and I love how he just had to throw out. I really wish I was with you at Houston's visit might have all gone differently. Those, those Irish travelers who disappeared, they won the even fucking started shit. Stephanie, at that time, he would have been, what, Stephanie or how long? No, he's 68. Our 60, 68. So he would have been 64 at the time and still wanted to smoke. What an animal. Oh, yeah. What do you mean about when I went down with the travelers? It was like four years ago, right? When was that? Last year. Was it? Yeah. Buddy, hey, chicklets, world things happen, like it seems like 10 years ago and it, you know, it was like the first round of this playoff sometime. You have CTE. Um, he's definitely. Oh, God, yeah. I think we all do. Wow. I'll tell you who doesn't have CTE. Thank God. Not a thing to joke about, um, Mitch Mariner. We are watching it, it's just classic fashion. Um, we are watching greatness and, and I, this is going for the Jersey. He's going for the Jersey and the Vegas Golden Knights boys. They are moving on, um, they, they continue their streak of when it's 2 2 and they win Game 5, they, they just end series, boys. They end series in Game 6 and they just crushed Anaheim and it started off. I gotta say, I think it's a top 10 and maybe even higher goal in the history of the playoffs. Now I know it was to win a series. It wasn't over time like the Iceland off the crossbowning against the blues and over time and, you know, Lemuse goal, you think of against the North stars, but that move between the legs and then just the dominance of Vegas thereafter, they win five won bizz. What did you think watching that? I mean, a significant goal because it, it, it, it just eased them off like it was quick. It was quick. Right? Happen early. I mean, just a great heads up play all the way from the defensive zone off the dump in a great little like we call them dink plays, like just the defenseman just, you know, he felt the pressure. Yeah, it was theodore who, buddy, he's been, who, he's been their best player, right? Maybe other than Mitch, just for me on ice time, he's had the lug and do everything that he's doing offensively, but he gets at the car, I'll send and then the hockey IQ on Mitch to know that he's like, I'm stretching, I'm going to, I think he caught Lakom sleep in a little bit who was going to get an involvement on the rush on the other side of the ice when it originally got dumped in, but just the breakaway speed to kind of keep him on the back hip to know that, where he had the body position and then to, to know that fucking Dostell's fucking on the other side of the net and then boom between the legs, I, I mean, that, and then also the shorthanded assists in that period. Oh, that was, that was even smoother. I felt like he's just back and forth east to west and it's like, I got how'd in the king. He's got three shorthand of goals already, how'd yeah. So I think that as far as Marner, since we're on him, uh, that's when he's at his best shorthanded. No, like when he's cutting in in the middle like that, even though that's when he's like, when he was doing that in Toronto, like that's when he's him, when, when the other teams on the power play and they have a forward plan defense, he is licking his chops to put them in a blender. You've seen it in both series twice. Well, so now he's got four primary shorthanded assists in this playoff runs through two series, which throughout the course of history, I think that Wayne Gretzky is a name that's done it. And there's like two other guys that have done that. Uh, I'm sure G will find those names. So as far as like shutting up the haters like me, I mean, we've taken a lot of L's this playoffs and on this podcast wrote the history, I think no bigger L than than me saying that he's not a $12 million player, that he's not a playoff performer. And right now I would say it's safe to say that he's the leader for the cons might I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear any of this nonsense. All they played against Utah and Anaheim, couple unexperienced offensive teams were fuck off. We're not, we're not even going there with the negativity and taking anything away from what he's doing right now. He's shutting everybody up. Does he have a better team around them? Is it a way better fit for him? Is there less pressure? Absolutely. But hey, he's taking this opportunity, he's running with it and he's having the best playoff of his career so far. And I tell you what boys, the Vegas Golden Knights have something cooking. And I think that the Colorado avalanche and their fans, not the players, not the team, but the fan base online. I said coin flip the other night on television. And they're like coins left coin flip my ass like we're going to five or six, I think that the Vegas Golden Knights in seven games will beat the Colorado avalanche. So we're going to get into the series. We have TJ Oushi coming on in a couple of minutes. I'm with you though. I'm not ready to pick Vegas. I'm shocked at how confident abs fans are. Maybe not confident because why wouldn't they be with what they've done all season long. But I feel like they're, they're, they're not even like looking at Vegas as a threat, whereas when you have part of cars wounded. The cars wounded. That's the biggest part. But the way Carter hearts playing and Vegas is just, I'll tell you what we'll get into this in a sec, Gary Lawless saying that they aren't cut throat and that they aren't villains is the craziest thing that's been said in this year's playoffs. This team, they are, it's us against the world. Fuck everyone else. They don't care. Now if stone can come back, then it's an even, that isn't even bigger worry for av's fans. I'm trying to find I put up a poll who's winning the West Colorado Vegas 81.2% said Vegas. I mean, it's a Colorado, excuse me, like I don't see it. I'll say 60 40, but I don't see how the hockey public is it that they hate Vegas or they're, they're just not that confident. I think they hate Vegas. I think we've been talking about Colorado, Colorado, Colorado. Everybody suspects it and you know, they've, they've got through to, to hear where nine games it's taken them, right? Vegas has gone to six full times. I think that people are probably a little concerned about stones health. Is there anybody else significant out for, for the golden nights? I don't make nabs coming back, but they're not really other than stone. If he ends up coming back, which is huge, are not dealing with any type of significant injury. Like their special teams are dialed in, their penalty kill is incredible. I think that they're even on their penalty kill. They score just, they've scored just as many goals that they've let up. And, and I think that they can play either way. They can play any, any way you want and they got a very, deep lineup along with all the acquisitions they made. So if I'm Colorado, I'm one not taking them lightly, I think that this is for sure going seven games and no longer the longer this series goes, the better off it is for Vegas. 100% bigger. They're stronger. You look at you look at the difference between when Vegas went up, was it three nothing last game? And then when Montreal went up three nothing like they, they just know how to close out a game. They get the key saves. They get the, you know, smart plays, little dumpins. Like they are a team that's built for the playoffs. They're big. They're mean. They play hard. They want it to go to seven. They're built for it to go to seven. I think if you're Colorado, you're, you're, you're a little naive if you think that this is going to be a cake walk over to, to the Stanley Cup finals because this team is ready to roll, ready to roll, ready to roll. As do a finer would say, but going back to the Mitch Marner goal, I was rewatching again in the announcer. It was such a good goal. The announcer called them Mitchell, which I've never heard. I kind of know. You call Mitchell Mitchell. That's unbelievable like that to get your, the full Mitchell on a goal, like for the announcer to think of that. That's how you know it was such a good goal. But yeah, man, this team, like they know how to play. They know how to play in playoffs and I sure as hell wouldn't want to play them. I don't think the Colorado players are like the fans and saying, all this is going to be a cakewalk. I think the players know that they were licking their chops at potentially getting an eye. The fact that they got Vegas now. They're like, we're fucking in one man. They got winners on that back in. Theodore McNabb, like you, you, you, you, I mean, look at the, like, Hannah Finn, I'd go in Hannah Finn. Just want a gold medal. And last thing I'll say before we bring ocean is we've got, we've had a lot of hashtags. A lot of people jumping on the Vegas train. Obviously, Bluntman's been a huge part of this day. Fortunately, put a massive future on them winning it, which I would consider doing. I would like to know the cons. My odds for Mitch Mariner and also what the odds are for Vegas winning it. I might sprinkle a little bit on that. And I'm not a huge gambling now, although I had over the draft Kings and drop a little bit. We've had the nights at the roundtable hashtag. We've had the itchy for mitchy. I got my own. We're going tanning for torts. That's fucking tan that he is rocking right now, but he's, like, that he's been there for six weeks, buddy. Yes, but those guys, they're, they're 15, 4 and one since Torreval replaced Cassidy. But let's get into the post game. The, the Gary Batman fucking hammer down on the golden nights guys, guys, I got to, I got to jump in here, actually. So one of our friends at our school was pretty upset with the penalty given to the Vegas golden nights. And he recorded a video when he wanted to send it to you guys while I'll play it right now. Better be bloody. Hey, wait. Hey, this, Hey, Yandell. This is the old coach grew in here. I just had to reach out to you guys because Torreval is my guy. He was a world champion coach of the lightning. Now he's obviously showing his stuff again in Vegas. But when I find out, he gets fined 100 grand and they lose a second round pick for him not living up to his media responsibilities. That's a bunch of bullshit. And I want to know what you guys are saying about that. I hope they appeal it. This better be resolved. That's just my opinion. But I got to hear from you guys. What do you, what do you think of this man? I started a GoFundMe for Torreval. Let's, let's get into this quick. And then we'll have Ocean. We'll get his opinion after biz. I gotta say, I disagree with you a little bit. And it sounds like I disagree with you. Yeah. You guys were disgusted that this was even a big deal. Not, buddy, not disgusted. Not disgusted. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. I'm sorry. You were disgusted. I believe with the punishment. I should have, I should have worded that correctly. I agreed. The punishment. It was, it was aggressive. I was surprised by it. Now we found out after they'd been warned a couple times. I don't, they didn't say for what, but there'd been some issues with them not having players available. But I'll say torts not doing media himself. They didn't open the room up. It just made no sense to me. It made, I was so confused by it. The series is over. You moved on. You crushed him in game six. Everything is good. Apparently, it was some sort of protest to, to, to, to, to mention how disgusted they were about the McNabb suspension. Okay. The media didn't suspend McNabb. It wasn't media members that called for the one game suspension. It was me won the game. They won't, I just, I don't get, I don't get why they did it. And I don't want to hear about curfew. And they had to get out of there in time. They had plenty of time. It made no sense to me. And maybe it is like us against the world and Vegas. This is what they do. And I'm, we don't care if everyone hates us. But I had no clue why it happened. It didn't make sense. And I do, I do feel for media guys as well. Like dude, you're trying to, you're trying to get quotes. You're going on to the conference. Finally, you're playing the president's trophies winners. You just had a big game. Marners in, in, in the front running with McKenna, now they're facing off for the cons. Mike, why not talk to the media? I, I don't get it. I don't understand it. And people who were like, Vegas fans are like, no, no, it doesn't matter. It's like it, it kind of does matter. Like you need, you could say what you want about media members. You can dislike certain media members. God knows people can't stand some of us or all of us. But you got to talk to the media after a series over. I actually wouldn't have cared as much if the series was still going on. All right, whatever. You don't want to talk. You just lost the tough game. You just won the series five on the road. So to me, it was just unnecessary and it was stupid. Yeah. I mean, this, there's a lot to unpack here, right now. I don't know if, if torches one of those guys that's calculated enough to know that it was going to like turn into this and also being used. I feel like this is something that's being used to galvanize the group ahead of this series against Colorado. Do you guys think I'm fucking crazy for thinking that? I don't think they need it. Yeah. No. I don't think I don't think for I think that they're the bad boys of the NHL right now. That's a fucking double, double fucking barrel to the media. It also might be part of him. Like he's even said like, ah, the fucking narrative around Mitch Marner. Like he stuck up for Mitch Marner now already towards the media. I feel this is kind of like a fuck you to everybody. We're the bad boys of the NHL. We're cut through what we don't give a fuck suck my dick. That's kind of how I feel. It's going right now. And as far as like I said that it's a bit ridiculous how big of a deal it was because listen, they want to get home. They want to get out of here. It was it's stupid to do and it's disrespectful to all the media members who like want to story after the game. Absolutely. And being a member of the media, I do feel sorry for those people. But I also say that he's now given you a way bigger story to write like which is to me that the fact that they're going full villain mode. Like look at the top four teams now like we're going to get Montreal. They've been villain modes since they got in the NHL. I know, but buddy, but it's all eyes on them right now. They got the Mitch Marner storyline. They got the Carter Hart storyline. They got fucking they got torts in there now with the with the best hand we've seen since Chris cellos. So they and on top of like them firing their coach eight games of four playoffs that want to stand the cup of them that they're now cock blocking from going to another team. I just feel like they're embracing it all and it's a perfect little wrinkle in all of this ahead of this David versus Goliath. So to speak series that everybody thinks already been won by Colorado. I fucking love this. If anything, they they've given the media more to talk about and more ammunition for them to write about. That was maybe his that was his play. You think I'm actually going to help the media. Oh, by having more to talk about than that boring five one win beside the Marner goal and assist and people think like, Oh, what a self. This is one thing that people think. Oh, what a selfish move by making this all about torts and all this bullshit rather than celebrating a series win and then just giving the media what they deserve from for showing up and moving on where I'm thinking like, I don't know, man, this seems like a pretty good opportunity where you are you're the team. That's the underdog going into the series to get everybody at practice and fuck everybody on the outside. Fuck them all. Fuck the people that doubted you, Mitch. Fuck the people that are coming at you online for your fucking business and so on and so forth. It's us against the world right now. Fuck them. That's what I think that the and maybe I'm giving John Tutterella with that 10 way too much credit, but I'll tell you what I'm hashtagging 10 for torts. I'm on board. I'm rooting for fucking Vegas. Vegas and seven bitches. Let's bring on TJ. Oh, she see what he thinks. Yeah, we're going to bring them on. It just just quickly. Great rant. It was a second round pick. I mean, that's crazy. Shea Weber, Patrice Persu on Lane Hudson. There are some incredible second round picks out there. You never know. Obviously, there's more guys who never make it, but like that's a big deal and people have said, maybe they'll get it back if they go to the league, hat and hand and they're saying we apologize. Now, they still need to let Cassidy talk to the fucking oilers and the kings. No, they are straight up villains. And maybe that's very lawless has them walked up his basement Right now I text again. Yeah, what's going before the punishment? Okay, what happened last night? What is this? is like, let me ask some sources. We never heard back from him. He was spending time with his daughters that day. So, you know, I know Gary was busy, but you know Gary loved this move deep down. He's a media guy, and he still would've said, I don't need any quotes. Fuck 'em all. Fuck 'em all with a golden night. 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Where are you from? - Wait, wait, you just messed what Biz did. What are you doing? - What do you do? - The TJO sheet, the coffin. You open the beer in the back of the box. - Back off box. - Sean, he was a pro with that on the back of the bus. What's up, Bosch? - What's up, brother? How are we doing, boys? - We're doing great. Thanks for coming on. I think before we get into the series, what was your opinion on how it all went down? Did it make sense to you? Do you agree with us? I know you were online listening to Biz rant. - Yeah, so when I first heard it, my first thought was along with Biz where I was like, man, I love that. Like he's closing the room. It's all about us. Like as a player, you'd be like, let's go. - They probably did well without them all. - So that was my first thought. I have heard that it was a lot simpler than that and that we're all making a massive deal out of it that it had to do with getting home. And so I don't wanna go too deep into it, 'cause I obviously got buddies, but what I think we're making it a lot bigger deal than it is, I think they should absolutely get the second round draft back. That's like, that was like, whatever. - Yeah, yeah, the fine, I mean, you know, I don't know if like, Cords pays for that or not. - Well, I'll bill fully from what's done in the incidentally office. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's whatever, that's a lot of money, but like, I said, that's like, I don't know, that's like the future. - You know what they should do? They should give them back the second rounder and tack on another 50 grand and give it to all the media members to go have a night out in the town. That didn't get the interview. And once again, to me, they got a way better story to write and that that's the Vegas Golden Knights or the villains of the National Hockey League. And I know you got buddies on that T-moche, but are they not the villains? - Yeah, I mean, I think they are the villains, but I think, I mean, I'm sure the media would love to just have $100,000. (laughs) - Yeah, they're like, what a bitch, what an idea. First couldn't hold on for a second. How do we get in this thing? - Yeah. - I mean, I have media now. - Yeah. - We'll let R.A. throw the party too. - I will say to the, wait, I'm not sure if you were talking about it, but I, or Biz, if it was you, but I don't think Torch is the kind of guy that wants the attention. I think he likes to play the goal like on the ice. He obviously has like, you know, his, a lot of his interviews are viral 'cause he's just so blunt and direct. But I personally like, I don't think he wants like a big, all the big stories around the team. I think he would rather just get on the ice and play. He's a little bit more old school like that, but I definitely could be wrong. - Well, he's got to be smarter than to like not know that that's going to turn into a story. - But is that, that's just going to say, it might have, we have, it might have not even been his call. That could have come from up top even if the disgust of the suspension was the main reason for this. We're, oh, she's saying there's a chance it was just get out of town. It could have been like McCrimman or like somebody else like, hey, don't talk to him. Like you, I don't know. I don't know if it was just him. - But they sent out Howden and Marner for like 10 minutes. I wonder if it's the question about me asking Mitch about about why Torrance has a better tan than Chris Chalios after six weeks in Vegas that might have set him off for him to be like, we're fucking out of here. These guys are clowns in the media world. Do you think the back could have been it? - For sure. - Sorry, Torrance. But if you're in the player, like you don't care about the fine, obviously, even if a player gets fined, it's that second rounder and we all know how Vegas is. Like they could use that next year for a trade to bring in a guy to bolster their authors for it. - Well, I think they need all the picks they can, right? Like, is there aggressive every year? - Yeah. - Second round pick, that's a potential trade target. Or I mean, it could be a draft pick or whatever, but. - No, they don't even go to the draft. - They don't draft. - They don't need to after the weekend, after the way they came in the league. They're set for 10 years. - So let's not get into the weeds about that bullshit. What do you feel, and how do you feel about Vegas's play and where they're trending? And you know, people are a little bit nervous about them, you know, during the pillow fight division, during the regular season, are they even gonna make playoffs? What do you make of their game right now and how dangerous are they and can they beat Colorado? - So I think they're trending exactly how they should be. I think they needed Mitch Monter to play like this in order to really get the job done. They're not quite as fast as some of the other teams. I think they can play fast, which is different than straight speed. But I think they're gonna need Mitch Monter. They're gonna need him to be a superstar against Colorado. They're gonna need to be healthy. I don't know where Stone's at, how he's feeling overall. So, like, you have to be healthy against Colorado. I think Minnesota has had a phenomenal roster. They had act out and Brodino and you just can't, you can't do it. So, I mean, my gut tells me that Colorado is the heavy favorite. I think the rest of the playoffs remaining, I guess five teams right now will be four. But of Mitch Monter plays how we saw him there in that last series, like Colorado show that they can get scored on. Minnesota was scoring goals on him at certain times. But they're gonna need Stone healthy. He's gonna have need some big goals. Some of those big turnovers that he creates into Iban rushes, those power play goals around the net. So, I think a lot's gonna rely on that. - He could give Wedgie us some fits. I mean, this is a parlor goalie, but like, that's gonna matter. That net front presence and how good he is around the blue paint below the goal line, like helping with the kill. As ugly as it looks, I mean, he is such an effective player. Have you ever seen a guy like such an ugly player be so effective in a Mark Stone? - No. - Okay. - And I've often never seen a worse knob in the history. - Oh, it's crazy. - I don't even get it. - Well, besides Biz's underneath is a belly button. - I covered wagon. - Oh, I'm glad you were on right now for a couple of different reasons, but one is the stone and it, I think it's pretty obvious to everyone, it's his back. And it's a guy who, you know, you have to retire because you're back. I was on with our friend from Barstow, Liam Blutman. He's a diehard Golden Knights fan. I went on his spaces or his live stream. And he was asking me, like, we were talking about stone. And with the back, it's not something that tore it all, can really fix or is it? Like, if, if, if say he's like, all right, this could be it on my career, which has been sort of discussed. Like, if he can come back and play, are we even gonna see him again after this? Is this something you can even shoot up, or it's not, it's not even possible with like the back control and everything the way it does? - I don't know exactly like what, yeah. What his history is. I have a little bit of an idea 'cause he's actually the one that referred me to the guy that got me my stem cell injections where I can sit like this and not have to like be fidgeting around right now. So he helped me out a ton with that referral. But the back, it's not something you can shoot up, you can't numb it and just all of a sudden like play through it. First of all, like, I numb my hand for my last, the last game I played, so my hand was broken. And I couldn't even feel my fingers. So then you can't feel your stick. Imagine your back, like, you numb that, your whole leg goes numb, you can't skate. So, earth, you know, you put too much in there or whatever. The back, there's just nothing you can do. When the nerve roots, when the inflammation gets in there, when those things get pinched off, there's no way to fight through it. There's been times where I've tried so hard just to like get to the bathroom or whatever. And it hurts so bad that all of a sudden it feels like you're on fire. It feels like someone's pouring lava like inside your body. So you can't go, but it is something where you get that inflammation out. The linemen's right, you restabilize the core. All of a sudden, it was like two weeks ago, like nothing happened, right? If you get everything firing correctly and everything's going where it should, and you're, you know, the discs are where they're should. There's enough room for the nerve roots and you're stabilized, then you're good to go. But is there even more worry? 'Cause I mean, we all watch the playoffs and everyone's getting cross checked in the back, every like the in front of the net, the war with guys so. Is there more like where the trainer might be like, okay, you have to be 100% to come back with this just because of how much wear and tear you're taken during the playoffs? Yeah, but I mean, you can you can push it, you know, you might not make it through the whole series, but you know, you get down to nothing or something and be like, hey, we need to come back. Let's try to get two or three in here, give ourselves a chance like you can do that. I've always found the cross checks weren't the issue like the ground and pound was necessarily the issue. It was, you know, you you hit someone or you move a certain way and maybe your pelvis shifts a tad, right? And then you feel like you're getting a little sore, you push it. It's amazing. And a lot of mine came actually on the back check because you almost like you're skating harder than you. Then you know, should really. I don't know. Then maybe you, because you're one, you're trying to stop the other team from scoring a goal, which I think he was coming back, right? I was in the same as this. Yeah, there's, I got to get the video where we were playing against the Texas stars and I was going hard on a backtrack and that like, you literally feel like somebody shot you from the balcony and going back to what you say. You, first of all, the nerve goes and then that's the direct pain and then everything around it as far as the muscles they seize up because they're protecting the nerve, right? So yeah, it just like you said, it's an undescribable pain. When that happened to me, I tried to push through it like because I had to continue to shift. I couldn't just bail on the shift. So I'm in the D zone like straight up trying to act like like pray to God. This demon doesn't get the puck and it starts to work on me like Lane Hudson. I'd be like, oh, then finally we got a lot of the zone down the tunnel. And then for like two weeks, I'm like legs up on the bed. Like I feel like I want to be here like majorly, majorly depressed because the amount of pain you're in. So every time I've seen him kind of and keel over and you could tell the amount of pain he's in, I'm like, that has to be back and it has to be like a pinch nerve or something. Yeah, it's the I was in between that or like a groin or something just because it seemed like he was lean to one side. But when you go up like that, that's typically the, you know, the response from for a back. But it's, it's just, it's one of those things you just, unless it's good. You just can't grind through it. But you could take one, you could take one shift and it'll just go again. If it's not prepared, if it's not ready to play an NHL game, you just, you can't do it. I mean, there's been good weeks where I that I've had. I'm like, man, I feel good. Maybe I start working out. And I like, you know, getting the gym twice to do almost zero weight. And then the day three. I'm like, oh, they're mind. Nope. I get it. And so like it's, it's just one of those things where it just takes over the whole body and no matter how, how high your pain tolerances, your brain will not let you grind through something like that. And are there times where if you're skating just by yourself in a practice where you know where you're going, you're controlled, your, your body's controlled, but during a game, you don't know, right? You're making different turns. So is there times during like a practice where you're skating, you're like, oh, I could play. But then once a game starts, you're like, oh, shit, no chance. Yeah, early for me, it was like that. At the end, I could, I could tell when it was going, um, you know, I think the last time I back went out, we were on the back to back Carolina. We were going to Tampa and me and John Carlson or go through security and it's like a long walk out on the runway to get to the, to the plane. And he was just asking me how he was doing. It's obviously, you know, I was in that line up quite a bit, um, at this point, and I was like, dude, I feel like it's going to go like, I'm going to play to try to play tomorrow, but I think it's going. Or no, we're heading. No, sorry. We were heading to Carolina and sure enough, I'm stretching out the hamstrings, did all my warm up, did all my core literally just bent over to do like a couple of extra like little toe touches. Back goes out. Don't even make it to warm up. So it wasn't even it wasn't like 12 hours later. Yeah, you just, you can just feel it coming. Um, and I'm sure he's probably pretty dialed on everything that he, you know, he's been working so hard through all this stuff for so long that I'm sure he knows when he's because actually it happened. I think it was, uh, was it, well, maybe it was in March against Pittsburgh. And I think he was back like two weeks later, maybe a little bit less than two weeks later, it happened against pit. It was actually on our broadcast. So like you mentioned, like he's been through it so many times. It seems now where they kind of know the protocol in order to reset it. So I would not be shocked if we saw him open up the series. I definitely wouldn't be shocked if I, we saw him halfway through this series against Colorado. Um, asking you about more gameplay and hockey. Like you want to talk Colorado a little bit. Uh, what about Carolina? Have you ever been in a situation where you've had this much downtime between series. Like, have you ever experienced that in your entire career? No, I haven't. And honestly, I've been, I've been down on Carolina this whole time because I'm like, uh, I feel like it's going to be the same story. And I don't, I don't, with the secondary scoring, they have that second line. I think that's something that they've been missing in years past where like, aha was, you know, that top line was getting all the points. Um, And they, I mean, I hate Carolina. I just, I just, I've had so many bags. Everybody. I don't get it. Yes. Well, hold on, hold on. They, they The full, full goal push me from behind. I shattered my collarbone into four and like game, game four of the series. When we were trying to go back to back, I leave the series. We lose in seven. I was pretty upset about that. So that kind of sticks around. Um, really price. Mostly just that. Maybe just one guy that I'm at it. The locker room that is not even on locker room to worst, locker room's terrible. Um, and honestly, the X-ray machine. If you ever If you ever use machine, shatter, shatter your collarbone, the X-ray machine is so far away. And you have to walk it and, uh, yeah, brutal. But they, when I grew over, when I broke my jaw and Carolina, the dentist for the team walked in, he goes, oh god, no, no, I was like, I don't need that doctor. I, I, I, I got to be, I used that X-ray machine there. When I fucked up my knee, I don't know if you guys, that's, that's my torn ACL right there. There it is on the, on the left side, the left, we're, yeah, that's a good one. We're missing some skin on that X-ray. I guess you don't see skin on it. It doesn't detect skin. It just does like the bone and the girth. Um, it's actually the longest modern day break between series. So they won May 9th in the fourth game against Philly. It'll be May 21st on Thursday when they kick it off against Montreal Buffalo winner. It's crazy. Although I think that the, when we've talked about this, the way that they practice and, and Rod, I don't, they're not fucking around zero, zero worry for me. They're in the bazaar. And we have to talk more Colorado Vegas. But I think I'm picking Carolina in that series. Like I, this is, this is the year they get out of the East. But oh, back to Vegas and Colorado more importantly. So Milinski's practice, um, he's been back full time practice player. So he's ready to go. It looks like now Burns is banged up. Leckin and hasn't skated the last two and McCars, obviously injured. So that to me is the biggest worry. And McCar, you can just tell like physically he's getting little bumps. And you, you know, you could tell like something's wrong. He's going to the bench. Is that the biggest worry for you on on stop and Colorado from moving on is the McCar injury. Whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably the biggest worry. I'd say, um, obviously we all know Burnsey and how valuable he is and how good he is with the puck and finding guys for high tips and all that stuff. Um, McCart, I will say the one thing, if you're able to play through it and play off and you have a couple days off, it's not like the regular season where you go in the morning and you got three, four hours, then you go home and playoffs, you're doing treatment all day long. Like especially on the road, you're, it's like 15 hours of like constant, you know what I mean? So you can heal a lot quicker. I think this breaks probably going to be good for him because if he was playing as it was, and now he gets this a little bit of a break and then they, they start up. I'm not too worried about him and he did look different, but he still is an impact player. Yeah. You know what I mean, even with whatever he's dealing with. So I still got Colorado high up there. That's, that's definitely the one worry. Vegas, any, no matter who it is, Carolina, uh, like Minnesota, um, Vegas to, to be Colorado, you just have to be at your absolute best right now. Yeah, you have to, you have to have your best game. Everyone has to be all in. You need your star players, you know, selling out to block shots, you need your star players scoring big goals, you need depth scoring, you need goal tending. They're, they're just the way that they attack the game is, is I think different than anyone else in the league right now. And down, down three one in that game five against Minnesota late. They win. I guess the biggest part of finishing that off then was McCart and, you know, they don't have to do the game six. They're not going back to many. And then like you said, it's treatment all day for extra time, comparative, if that series had kept going. I said before Anaheim, uh, Vegas, that if Carlson could maybe outplay Ikel that that would give them their best chance. And, and now it just moves on to McKinnon and Ikel, right. And, and obviously Ikel got the, the better of them in the gold medal game, but that to me is like the matchup I'm looking at because Ikel's been great. It's not it's not like my car where you have you haven't seen the highlight real plays, but he's still 15 points in 12 games. So when you look at him versus McKinnon, how do you see them matching up? Like McKinnon's more explosive, but I call he can skate with him. It just looks different and what Jeff does defensively. Yeah. So what I always look for for Jack is his skating. If he's like gets the puck and he attacks and he actually tries to like one on one guys, which he should, he can. He's big enough, he's skilled enough, he's got this massive reach. So if he's attacking people, I'm like, oh gosh, like look out. Like that's a different Jack Ikel. If he, if he continuously pulls into the zone and pulls up and is only looking to pass, then I get a little bit worried because when you got a guy like Jack Ikel attacking you, every, the, all the guys on the ice have to somewhat pay attention and almost like try to help out the same thing when McKinnon's come down the ice. Like I talked to our defenseman in Washington, like John Carlson, even I was like, what, like what happens when he's coming? He's like, he just retreat. Like just panic because just try to contain him so that someone can come help. So if, if Jack attacks the game, like really, absolutely attacks, he, at least once a game, twice a game, he should do like that little like stutter step drive wide uses body and drive to the, to the net, run over the goal. If you have to, but like it just, it creates fear in the other team. And then now they're worried about that instead of just their jobs, what they have to do. I'm picking up trailers. Um, and so that's, that's my, that's the one thing I look for for Jack. Like if he's attacking like that, like there's no one else built like him that can do what he does in the league. I always think of the clip when I think it was Petra Angelo at the outdoor game when McCarr was coming down on him and he was just going, oh God, oh God, and that's one of the best like demon, you know, in the last 15, 20 years, but no, McKinnon. Right? Yeah. Yeah, you said McCarr, but I, also, yeah. It's a boat of them when they're full tilt, you're screwed. Yeah. But even you, you talked about the depth scoring in, um, in Carolina with their second line going, like with Vegas, how'd and scoring door VF score? Like these guys, they're finding their niche right now. They're scoring a five on five, five on four, four on five. Like they're finding ways to score no matter what the situation is. Yeah. And that's what you need, right? Once you get away from McCarr, get away from, uh, get away from Taves, like that those are the times those are the matchups you got to take, try to take advantage, not no disrespect to, you know, both sides on the, you know, the, the last pairing or the last two pairs. But those are the times you got to take advantage because other guys are just so smart and so good, um, how it has been awesome. I got to see him, uh, in Utah and, man, like he's just kind of always in the mix and always in the right spot. And you kind of need those guys scoring those big goals, right? At the end of the year, when someone wins the cup, you kind of look back and yeah, that whoever wins the, the cons, Mike, you know, everyone, you know, the big dogs are usually the big dogs if you're going to win the cup. But I remember looking back and I remember talking to everyone talked about Devonte Smith-Pelley, Brett Connelley, um, Lars Ellers score in the game winner. You know what I mean? Like you will need those guys, um, and I think that they've been great. I think they'll be here in this series. Uh, I just, I'll keep going to, to Mitch Marner and how he's playing and how Jack Ikels playing personally, um, because there is so much star power on the other side that you got to kind of try to match that and hope that some of your death can take over to play that. Howden made on, um, on the short hand ago when Marner came in, it reminded me of something that you would have done where he went to the net, like trying to be an option as like a tip or whatever and then busted his ass wide to get open for a one time. It was just like a little, he took two hard strides to get open just a great hockey IQ knowing that a forward. I forget who the for I think it was Cologne. Like Cologne knew a, yeah, knew a forward was there and like just found that open area was just such a hockey IQ play. Yeah. And I love that's like one of those like little things within a game. That's why like something about summer hockey. I love to because you know, obviously, guys aren't trying this hard. But everyone's, everyone knows you're trying to like just, it's all offense and all whatever, but you find these little like things to do to try to get open. And that was actually one thing where like obviously in summer hockey, like, guys aren't going to like stick with their back check, but if the game gets intense, guys start back checking. And it's almost like the Michael Jordan, when he pushes off against in, was it in Utah, maybe we're like that same thing that he can give a couple strides and then let him go buy you and find little soft areas. But I love high IQ plays like that. That's why my favorite players in the game aren't necessarily like the, like the most flashiest or best goal scores. Like I just, I absolutely love the really smart guy. That's, I was, I mean, I'll say it until I die. I was so fortunate to play with Backie, Nick Backstrom, where like his mind was just like, and I tried so hard to like, you know, think how he would think. I didn't get there, but that's because I tried and tried to see what he was doing. That's why I was able to score so many goals and lost it in compared to St. Louis. One thing that you said when you first hopped on that I agree with is you said that, like, baby Vegas isn't the fastest team and obviously in this series, they're going to be outmatch, be wise, but they play fast. I think from a, from a hockey smarts perspective, they let the puck do the work. And I think that that's one thing that Colorado really has to be aware of, because they get horny and excited and get their D joining in the rush. And I felt like Anaheim was doing that almost too much, considering they were leaning so much on Jackson, look home to where he'd be up in the play where, like his winger would be like, all right, I'm taking off. And the minute it was turned over, it was gone the other way. So if Colorado is not smart, they can get caught and make it end up losing the series. Oh, hello. One of the first, one of the first things you learn as a kid. And I'm sure, oh, you teach it. I'm sure wet teaches the puck moves faster than the players. So like, and they do a really good job at that. Yeah. And that's why I love playing with Backie. And when we got to, I think when Slavvy became the coach, he's very analytical. Only one like slower players play faster players think that that would speed him up. But really because you move on the same level, right? Because you're the same speed, me and Nick, you weren't the fastest players. But we can move the puck. And so the fact that like you said, biz, the puck kind of does the work, but you're moving on the same level. And so it looks like you're fast because the puck can zigzag through everyone and you can do little switch plays and cross. That was always hard at the end of my career because I always play with a bunch of younger and faster guys typically. And I would get the puck make a nice, like, little, you know, body position play look up and the guys just be gone. Oh my gosh. I got to like flip it or throw a five foot sauce through the neutral zone just to get it up there. But yeah, so biz, that's what you were saying. Like the puck, the puck does the work because the guys are all at similar speed and they're smart enough to get to open areas, which is much different than Anaheim. We're like some of the day, like they just get the puck. They're burning a lot of it. Just they're just burning, right? They're skating and that's why it looks fast. At some point, though, you know, if it doesn't work and you're going balls out like that, it creates a turnover. Now everyone's going fast this way. The puck's coming back this way. You can really create a lot of offense off of that. Like would is William Carlson considered a fast player? No, I mean, I think he's a decent skater. I think he's just good, good all around. Yeah. Like, but like Mitch Marler, I would say that he's not really known for his speed. And I think that that that breakaway goal, the other game is exactly like he's talking about it. They know there are no where guys are cheating and where they can expose. Let's spread each other out and let the puck do the work. And that was a prime example of it. So if I'm Colorado considering how active and much they have their de-involved, especially with McCarr or Malinsky, is there anybody on their third pairing? I mean, Burns, I guess, does to a certain degree. But Manson jumps up too. Like he's afraid to jump off. I would just, I would tend to, I know it's a positive about their game. I would just tend to, I think that this series is going to be more like the L.A. series than it would be a, uh, then the Minnesota series as far as high score. And they have to, Vegas has to just be so physical with them. Like I beat him up. Talk about movement of the puck and speed, like Colorado is not an overly physical team. I, I don't consider them that way. And Vegas can, like Barber Sheff is going to have to have a huge series. You're going to need to see him running around and, and like even Anderson on D, like he'll throw the occasional big hit. That, that to me, if they can't, if they can't physically like be all over Colorado, then I, I'm picking Colorado nonetheless. That's where they're going to need landed to be landing. Neutrushkin has not been anywhere near where he was when they had their last run. Uh, Codry was a little better towards the back half of that second round, but they need like vintage fucking Codry being a savage. And then Nelson, Nelson's kind of been a, they got to have the, these guys have to be their best players. Like they got weapons and they got guys, but they got to play like them. Like Dora Feeves being way more of an impact than Nelson or Codry or an achievement. Um, I know you got to run, um, ESPN has this series. Will you be in the studio or on, on site? What's your, are you done? for the year. I'm done for the conference finals. I'm going to swoop back in for the finals. Okay. I don't think I'll be doing like studio or the games. I think it might just be something else. You know, like Scott Van Pelt or, you know, some other things. But yeah, I got, I'm almost, almost through my, my contract and my days. I do want to say about Vegas. And I talked about this with, with Dowder at some point over the last, I don't know. I played so great. He's so great. I did actually just saw him. His, uh, anyways. Uh, but I, I, we were talking about it. Maybe a month ago. And I was like, man, I mean, it was after the Utah, the Utah game that I did, I think it was game four. And I was like, I feel like you guys have a little bit of a feeling of just kind of the way you guys play of, of kind of us in 2018. I don't want to keep preferring to myself. But one thing we did against Vegas, we really wanted to do that. I think Vegas now should do against Colorado is just the offense of zone cycles of like not taking that shot until you're like, good and ready. And it's a high quality shot because like how, how pissed is McKinnon going to get if he's in the D zone. Half the game. Over half the game. Like he doesn't play in the pitch. Not really. Is that pitch? That's how Hitch wanted you guys to play in St. Louis. Don't throw it away, right? Uh, no. Hitch wants to shoot everything and not stick handle. Oh, I thought it was all about the cycle with him. My dad. He did love the cycle. He loved the forecheck. Like the forecheck was his, his big thing. Um, but uh, we did that against Vegas. And I feel like they ran through everyone in the West. And I think the one every series, like four one or whatever it was. Um, and we just wear them down, wear them down. But not as like, yeah, physically, but like just made them play defense and just constantly do it. And that's, I think that's Vegas's best chance. I talked to the doubter about that a couple of weeks ago, a month ago. And I have noticed, I don't know if I'm not saying he like went to the team and, and told him this, but I have noticed when they're at their best, they have these shifts where like, they start getting got forwards, changing in the middle of the shift while they're still buzzing in the, in the ozone. It might not score it there, but it comes out and then they come back in and get a big goal. And they got, and they got some big guys in that bottom six, like that Nicole Smith. They got doubter. All of a sudden he's doing to call us our sizzards like, who else did they got in the bottom six that are just big huge mutants? Well, they, they need them too. I'm at the start of the, at the start of the playoffs, I think doubters, I was playing like under 10 minutes averaging a night. And then I think they got a little more trust from towards doubters. Obviously, really good in the face off circle, or typically is. And, uh, and they've been playing a lot more. I think he's earning the trust and that the doubter had in Washington that he can shut down other teams top lines. Oh, it's gonna be interesting. Oh, I'm like, no way. Um, we appreciate you coming on. Glad you're feeling better. You just mentioned you can actually sit and not be fidgeting around our race. Are you going to be like tonight? Who do you like tonight? Game seven. Yeah, this like, I've never, like, I've seen series that were like back and forth, but like not like the goal scoring that's going on like this year. Like it's, it's like, just someone like tighten it up, like a little bit. No, no, I don't know. I don't know. I don't, um, this is better. No, more than a, looser than a super sex box that series. So I don't know. These are the two teams. Like, I, I think we all know what Colorado is. We know what Vegas is. We know what, we know what Caroline is. Like, I don't know what, what these two teams are. There's just. Oh, either. This is summer hockey. I know, but I, you know what? Oh, man, I like, I really want Buffalo to, like, just like the city of Buffalo and just the buzz is going like, so like, I kind of want Buffalo to make it. Um, but Montreal's are in a lot of respect for me. Those young guys talk to, uh, St. Louis, um, before one of the games in Tampa. Um, I think they're doing some, some really amazing things over there. So I think it's a win-win situation. Probably going to be nine to four or something tonight. All right, Osh. We appreciate it, buddy. We'll talk to you, uh, we'll catch back up in the next round since you're, since you're off from work. Let's drag you on here again. Appreciate that. See you boys. Be good. Thanks, Osh. Hey, Chickles fans. We're going to take a quick break for a message from one of our partners. Still blue coffees. New can lattes are here. Crafted with a 100% Colombian coffee. Each can is a good source of protein and comes in two smooth flavors, espresso, cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream. And whether you're braving your morning commute or chasing your pup, Stella blue cans are for those always on the go and for those who care. Stella blue is more than just great coffee. I named the brand after my rescue dog Stella who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes. So when you drink Stella blue, you're not just fueling your day. You're saving a dog's life. Try the new cans today. Taste the difference and make a difference. All new Stella blue coffee cans lattes now available at stalebluecoffee.com or subscribe on Amazon for 10% off. All right. Now back to the show. The man has been through a lot, boys. The back injuries. He knows, he knows what Mark Stone's feeling more than anyone else. And another cutter and cutter. Yeah, we did. We mentioned, I mentioned that quickly, but it came out. I mean, I just want to let people know. So he he had a, I believe a broken L1 L2 disc. Now, if you add that out, that's L3. And I had a L5. Okay. So you were, yeah, you, you're tougher than cutter go, Jay. That's a much respect to you, is much respect. Another guy who knows a lot about back injuries, considering the last time I saw him, he had a cane. Is R.A. Why don't we throw it over to R.A.'s world right now? Hello, everybody. Welcome to R.A.'s world here in the Spitton Chicklets podcast. Boys, the best three words in sports, game, mother fucking seven, Buffalo, Montreal, can't wait. Mother fucking word. No, as I said, the best three words in sports, did I, did I not? You did, you did. Yeah. I think you did wondering. Yeah, mother. Yeah, he doesn't know how to count two words. He doesn't even know the difference between black and white tape. But, you know, I mean, we love the playoffs every year. But the second round definitely a little bit lackluster. You know, we had a five game series, a six game series where the last game was a close to in a sweep. So it's nice that we get in the game seven right here. It's a coin flip. I mean, draft Kings got Buffalo minus one 18 Montreal minus one or two. I think a draw is probably a good play. They have plus two 90 out highly like. Yeah, it's so tea. Yeah, it's very likely. But so this is a crazy stat. This Sam block at the block spot on Twitter, wild stat. The Canadians one and one in the last two games, two and two in the last four, three and three in the last six, four and four in the last eight, five and five in the last 10, six and six in the last 12, seven and seven in the last 14, eight and eight in the last 16. Moral stole your thunder there already. I'm okay. He hit us with that. He had it earlier. Although he stopped, they get four and four. I don't think he went up to eight and eight. So you, you, you, you outlasted him. He's, he's in jail right now in Sweden. He was creeping on a yacht. I missed that. Can you go over it one more time? Yeah, yeah, but yeah, both teams only two and four at home, Buffalo five, one on the road, Habs five and two on the road. The same as yesterday. I'm like, we had stat first team to be down by multiple goals on the road and playoff game, but ended up winning by five plus goals. So another wacky stat boys. Right here from Noxman. He's the best like it. It's like home when I hear him talking. He sounds like my, my twin. It was great catching up with my upper Montreal. One of my favorites. And I, I think I've known him 33 years down the first time I met him. And he would hit every right to punch me in the fucking mouth, too, because I was being a wise guy to him. Yeah, it was a 1993. I don't know if you remember the Donnie Cup. It was a friend of us. Jimmy Donovan passed away and they had a golf tournament in his honor. And it was a summer of 93. And you know, I can't, obviously, you know, you guys see me on a golf course. So I was a volunteer at the course. And I, I was registering people and he committee had a Canadian. I was like, yeah, nice hat. You know, typical wise ass boss. He's like, yeah, they only went 23 fucking Stanley cups. I was like, yeah, because they had guys butt-ended Middleton's fucking teeth out. And he goes, like, I heard a fresh brick. I, you know, so I ran into one of the, on the course a couple times. He was giving me like the fist and shit. So whatever, you know, it had to be as at the end of the day. Flash forward about a month and a half, two months later. I mean, St. Tobias, they sit down. Who's right next to the Chris Lailan? He goes, hey, how'd you hit him a couple weeks ago? He goes, hey, I remember you're the Middleton fan, the fresh brick, right? Yeah, that was it, but like Paul Sancy, you know, he checked in on me when I was going through my night in the rots of a couple years back. And I, he's a good man. So it's great to have him. Plus, he's got terrific insight because like he sees a man happy. What's the, what's the Middleton incident? Was there like a playoff series where like he was like hit and they didn't call or something there? No, just a total nasty button. It is fucking, you know, top 40. I'll just like blatant button. I think you might get, you know, the gate for that. I honestly don't remember, but who get nylon. Yeah, you could pull like, it's just a straight up like not like a record. Then I do that. It was just like, you know, I mean, Knuckles was Knuckles when he played just straight out to these teeth. Oh, he got, I mean, he got penalized for it. But I honestly don't remember if he got suspended, but it was, it was, you know, pretty nasty, but you know, it was kind of ballsing me to they'll be mouthed off to many ways. But like I said, it was good to catch up on him. Oh, just talking about another I'll local legend crystal solven heat you must know will sell it right back on the day. That maniac. I know, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he was up Montreal to him and him and PK. They're like, uh, Mel Gibson and like Danny Glove and lead the weapon. The way they hang out all the time. So what are you guys doing? I know the, uh, we got the podcast tonight, uh, the live stream 730 kicking off. What would you, what would you take Keith? What do you got in this one? Uh, real quick. I'm hoping for a five or six, five over time game. Um, honestly, like goes to, I, I, I'm fine with either team advance and obviously I've been on Montreal's hotel. So I'll, I'll be rooting a little bit more for Montreal, but either team wins will be great. It'd be good for the game, good for their cities. Uh, but I, I'm just hoping for a good game. Even though everyone wants to know, even though Montreal won that, you know, the game against Tampa with the nine shots, like, I need a little more action, I think tonight. All right. Uh, who do you think gives Carolina a bigger fit? Uh, you know what? I, I think it's like the series. I think it's pretty equal. I mean, I already wrote down Carolina in six regardless of who they play. I just think these whichever team survives this series is going to be a little spent. Uh, they, they both had use, you know, two gold tennis doves. She's been solid, but, uh, he's been a little leaky and a Freddie Anderson stays healthy the way he's playing man. I just, I, I just can't see the Carolina losing to either team. I don't think anyone matches up, particularly like better, better or worse. I mean, I think, you know, Carolina is going to beat whoever they play. And I, well, we're at it. I get to Colorado and seven as well. Well, Vegas. That should be a great series. Um, so I, oh, yeah, one one, oh, yeah. Basically, I mentioned Duns last week that, uh, smoke be placed. They like follow me on Instagram. So that, uh, that $800. Oh, fucking right. Here. Let's feel it. Yeah. Wow. You know, those things do it. Do it. It's firing. Hey, I'll say, but I, I, I keep flip and though on like originally, I think we were text from the group chat. We thought that a better matchup would be Montreal giving Carolina more. I know, but I, the more, the more I think about it, like the, the, like the size of Buffalo, if they can use it when they're, when, when Buffalo's using their size, they're, they're dangerous and they're lethal. And we see that in glimpses. And I think it was, is, is knocks who was saying it was kind of an embodiment of their season overall, that game, right? They fall down three, they, they fall three to one early in that game. They're playing like shit. A lot of holes defensively. And it feels like they, they clean things up and they started fucking using their size. So I don't know, man, I, I, either way, though, I think we're, we're spoiled as far as the storylines is concerned. We have the favorite in Colorado, well, West that everybody knew was going to be here. We got the bad boys. We got this kind of team that everybody seems to hate in Carolina, who now with, with Florida out of the picture, it's kind of like, are they destined? Are they actually going to do it? Is it, is it actually believable that they're going to do this? And if they can't, they might never, if they can't, that's, that's what makes me nervous. It's like, you're going to have this young team that's going to get past this, this second round, either Buffalo or Montreal, and they're just going to be fucking riding on a high where, oh my God, we're already at the conference finals. Like we're way, either team is way ahead of schedule. So it's like, you know, will that layover affect Carolina? So either way at the top four is going to be an incredible story. So I don't really have like a favorite, either Montreal or Buffalo. It's going to be unreal. And I can't wait to cover the series. So all right. You're kind of, you don't, you don't care either. You don't have the feeling. Well, I, I, I, financial, you know, I bet Montreal actually put the playbook way back in October. I got my 50 to one, although I did pick Buffalo and seven on the show, just like based on a hockey prognostication, but I'm rooting, I'm rooting much real man. I, you know, 50 to one, it was a way back October. I kind of forgot I put it in because I went on the wagon and popped up by, oh shit. So yeah, definitely root for Montreal. And like I said, it's crazy. How many people are actually rooting for Montreal around here, wait, I know we've talked about a few times, but I said, there's just not that simmering hatred that, like, you know, we sort of grew up, like I did the interview with those crazy Canadian fans the other night. Are they jealous because Buffalo beat out Boston? Oh, maybe. No, it's just the rivalry. The rivalry is not there anymore. For years and years and years, it was like, we hated to have, we hate to have, but we haven't had a playoff series against them in years. It's back to play each other again. Yeah, instantly, instantly, I think the, the combo of like, you're right, the lack of hatred recently. And also like Montreal's a fucking awesome team to watch. They're fun. And when you watch that place on TV, man, like I just went up, that's why I went up to I had experienced it while I had the opportunity. So does Paul often think they're big brother right now? And they're like, okay, we'll root for the little guy. No, man, I mean, Montreal's way ahead of like what we've lost is right now. But that's kind of how it's been though. I do kind of think that's how it's been for the past, like 10 years, like the haves of sucked. Like they haven't been, they haven't, we haven't cared about them. We haven't thought about them one time. Now they're back. It's like, I have your fun. But when we see you in the playoffs in a year or two, well, hey, as much as we used to, like like the jinks, you know, they used to call it bad. They did a reverse. Like the Bruins didn't beat Montreal in a series like since like 1944. And then finally in 1988, like Kim, nearly man, he owned Patrick Wise, greatest wire is nearly owned him. They beat him that year. Then they beat him like four out of the next five series. And then up until like, you know, like the 2015, the last time they played the Bruins of basically one, I think 75% of the series with the Canadians, you know, after the Canadians, old men for half the century. So yeah, the rivalry could use a little something. But yeah, I think like that game, the other night was perfect for like a new fan. Like I think I, I said that on Twitter biz, like, you know, like not a coach's dream, but like all the score and just, you know, the face washing after the whistle just like for the hockey, like Noobie. That was a fantastic game, especially like prime time Saturday nights. Oh, it was good. Five goals in the first period. Yeah. Yeah. Back to back games, there was five goals in the first, right? Yes. Sloppy hockey's entertainer hockey. You said, like if you're a Noobie hockey fan, a kind of reminding me of a tweet that I saw, can we pull it up? I think it was Rob Perez. And he's typically a basketball guy. Oh, yeah. And he, he, he wrote how much he loves hockey, but he does find it difficult to follow the puck. Like where the puck is going to go. Now I posted like, oh, like should they maybe do an alt cast where they have that, that wherever you call it, like the block track. He's through on it. Like they used to do it. Yeah. Like as an alt cast or maybe some form of alt cast where it's maybe a little bit more, he's easier to follow for Noobies. Maybe they describe certain things that are happening to dumb it down for the casual fan. I was for a little surprise to see the amount of negativity from hockey fans, just like shutting them, being like, oh, pay attention more like who gives a fuck like not caring where it's like, well, okay, well, that's not very nice and inviting to people that are trying. You don't want to gatekeep it. Yeah. More and more people coming. You can't be the gatekeeper like, Oh, well, you're an idiot then. It's like, well, if we're having people come over that never have seen it and they just want to know certain things or be able to follow the puck better. Yeah. You're, you're crazy. If you're not thinking that the NHL as a whole isn't thinking of ideas to try it. Yeah. Well, they've, yeah, they've tried a lot of different types of camera angles and like they said, the better one that suits the game is the way that it moves now because when you're changing all these different camera angles when you're watching on TV, it does give you a bit of a headache when you're just seeing like way too much movement. I think that Noobies and casuals maybe don't understand like the lefty and righty and maybe the body movement to predict where like we see a guy kind of shift the certain way and we obviously know well, there's no ways past in that direction because you can't get any leverage on it and he just wouldn't. So it's a little bit easier for us to know like, okay, well, you're a lefty, you're a lefty at the top and your hips are shifted a certain way. We know he's just going to snap at D to D here. So it's easy. It's easier for us. You know, you play NHL. It's like that it's the opposite view. Like when you play the video game, you're you're you're behind the net and you're following the puck up and down that way. And we've seen the cameras that are behind the net for power plays and stuff. Like, whatever with technology, make it better to cover the game that way. Because then you don't lose the puck on the boards, right? Because it's against the boards on the close side of the camera. You lose it. I don't know. I'm just like thinking out loud. Like I can't picture that. Then you get the hockey traditionalist who hit the different cameras. But that's that's why I said I think that there needs to be an alt cast. Yeah, it has to be a different cast for newbies. And maybe some of the traditional traditionalist will actually like watching it the way you just described it. You just have to have it on those networks on a different like like a side channel that they don't care enough about. Like kind of like when when they do true TV where they stuck up like what we did. Yeah. I do like the I do think that the more you watch hockey, the more of a feel you get. It's like anything like anything new you do. You got to do it more and more to appreciate it and understand it. Like I do think if you're a new fan, just continue to watch it. And then you'll understand the game a little bit more. You'll know where guys are you know, where you think guys are going to move the puck, whatever. But just putting in the hours of watching, I think will help agree for that. It is I mean, you know, it's common for everyone who lose side of the puck, too, you know, yeah, watching the, you know, an entire game. You know, my mom doesn't know where it is. It's, you know, it's, it's as far as like the response because it's like I mean, like so should be it's so goddamn, everything's so toxic, man, it's like it wasn't this bad like Twitter is pretty brutal now. It is brutal. So yeah, you don't want people to get down on that. So let's go to the fun stuff. Okay, barring - Wow, it was a good discussion. - No, absolutely. Yeah, I think it was better than that last story you told. Oh, the follow on Instagram from the beef place. Yeah, yeah, I got, I got a little had a reboot. So let's try to keep it a little bit more high. I'm going to redeem myself with this one. Barring injury for the 46th consecutive season, a former teammate of Yarmay, Yaga will appear in the Stanley Cup final. Colorado's Brett Kulak or Vegas. Well, I need it. It's a conference final. Right. But, but, but Colorado or Vegas is going to win. So, he's got a former teammate on the team. Barring and this has to be coming to an end somewhat soon. I would think in the next three, four years, although. Maybe not actually. Yeah, I mean, I have to do a deep dive. But, um, yeah, basically, they were both on the 2017, 2018 Calgary Flames. And yeah, like I'm sure there's, you know, guys, he played on the Bruins and, you know, he even backed into that, probably still around. We have to get a list of guys that he, he that are currently playing that he played with. And then no and narrow it down. Uh, if they're on the Bruins, it ain't happening. Did you guys see that the fly is at the end of the season? They have this, uh, paint the ice event, uh, something went down and they painted like, you know, like a police truck outline, but they did it like where Krosby got the embellishment penalty. Uh, I think I think we can pull it up on the screen. Yeah, gee, yeah, that's pretty funny. It was absolutely hilarious. And they roll RIP, Bozo, which was a little high. Well, he's definitely not, no, I'm definitely not either. There it is right there, but yeah, never change feel you love him. Uh, biz, uh, uh, uh, are you familiar with? Do you know why I reno love why he, he does, uh, TVA and the French, you know, no, I just want to like give him a welcome back. I'm not sure if you guys heard he suffered a pair of strokes and what I'm doing at press conference. And I, you know, I, he said, Louie, a very fast class. He just, he acknowledges return when he got back on the beat. So just glad that he's doing well. I started the view with him on, on, on YouTube really. So welcome back, Ballona. Keep doing what you're doing, man. You know, so I just want to give him a shout out there. Also, uh, have it as a head coach open and all I, you know, I don't know. I've been I, but one, maybe a certain alumni might be in the running part played over overseas this year. I was a former New York Rangers by the, I could see that. I don't know if he'd ever want to, but Jim. It's easy, all right. Is that a source? You're pretty close with the VZ family. You know some guys that seem you're saying that like your, your, your, you have a source there. We don't, we don't, we don't name names. I haven't no, I just, uh, it's my gut. My, my gut instinct that, uh, don't be surprised. If, if, if we're, if it happens, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, dude, she should as fucking big enough. Come on, bro. All right. We got to congratulate our buddy, Jake Tebow, uh, not only graduated from our mass college, but he gave the, uh, commencement speeches well to his fellow graduates. Uh, you know, I told him stretch it out, man, do at least seven years, but didn't take my advice. But listen, man, he's, he's a guy we, we met through unfortunate circumstances. Like, if, uh, look, viewers, the listeners on, on a way, suffered an accident in hockey and was, uh, paralyzed from the, the waist down and, uh, he still had his hockey scholarship. He went to school last few years, graduated. Uh, if anybody is going to walk again, it's this kid. He actually did walk his graduation and, you know, he walked up to the stand first commencement speech. Uh, it's easy to find an Instagram Twitter. Uh, he's, uh, he's been a great pal to me. A wet, he's just a beautiful human being. And I'm the guy who I was going through my, my horse shed a cup of his back. And this kid's decade younger than me. And he was like, you know, Yoda talking to like Skywalker, give me sort of this wisdom. I, you know, I, you don't expect from a 22 year old kid. So Jake, congratulations, pal, enjoy vacation. And how we love your pal will catch up soon. So, yeah, he's the best inspirational, such a good human. He's golfing and everything now. Oh, yeah, we played out. We're going to play golf again, uh, come on up here. We played last year. He comes over for dinner. He's just a great, his parents are awesome. His brother's great. It's just, it was such a sad story. And then you've seen what he's done so far. And that kid is going to be so successful in life. Like he is going to be running a business at some point. I'm telling you. And he's, he's, it's been a joy to get to know him. Um, I remember going in to the hospital after it happened. And his energy and his enthusiasm. And I was like, I was just so impressed. And it's, it's been very special. As you said, I ready to be, become friends with them, um, and get to know his entire family. So that was awesome. I saw a pooch across tweeted it, Elliot Friedman tweeted it. And just a cool story, you know, in the face of something so difficult. Yeah. He's, uh, he's been a frequent visitor down the club down the club as well. He's a, he's a big hit down. He's one of the boys that they love having to come down. He, he come down with coolpers down there last year. You know, they traded numbers and stuff. So yeah, he's not, he's not the guy who loves the club. So, uh, we will actually want to extend our deepest condolences to a, Tommy Scotty and Brian Fitzgerald on the loss of the mom Sharon. She passed away the other day. Uh, she was a quintessential hockey mom. A nurse for several years, just a, uh, a class year and beloved woman also want to extend our sympathies to the extended our Fitzgerald McDowell and could chuck families on their loss as well. Sharon, uh, she was a peach, uh, great lady. So tell you know, Tommy Scotty, Brian and, and their cleanse, uh, we wish you our best and again, extend that deep sympathies. Um, a class recommendation to do, uh, this one right here, the day hunter, we talked about a few weeks ago. It's been all over Instagram lately. One five Oscars. It's, uh, yeah, it, it's, it's about, you know, these steel workers and they, you know, three or four of them go off the Vietnam and it's not really the most realistic Vietnam movie Michael was there. I asked him. He said, the, the hundred is the least realistic to my experience. He's a apocalypse now is probably the most accurate. But that's sort of irrelevant. It's more about like what does the people and how, you know, the skies it leaves and it's, uh, it's incredible movies. It's like three hours long. Like you said, uh, best picture, best direct, the Christopher walk and what. Why is it called? Beer hunter. The, uh, because, uh, early on, like the first, you know, well, over and out, they show the, you know, all these guys have their normal lives. They're all steel workers. They go off of beers after and they go deer hunting, uh, early in the movie and like, you know, the hills of Pennsylvania. Um, and, uh, it's, yeah, then they end up, you know, uh, most of them go off to Vietnam and, you know, go through this horrific stuff. But, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's a, it's a beautiful movie. And it's actually busy. It kind of has a, uh, a significant role in movie history because it was such a huge hit, uh, Michael Chimino, the director. He basically got caught lunch to do his next movie in, in, uh, called Heaven's Gate. And he was like, he just was spend, I mean, he was doing more toot than Tony Montana on a Sunday. But, like, not stop. It was the biggest bomb in Hollywood history. It went, it was so bad at bankrupt a studio. And then after that, the studio is like, no, we're not letting the directors run the show anymore. And then they, like, that's basically when the studio is like, took control of the movies. Cause in the 70s, you know, he had Spielberg, you know, uh, Coppola, the school of CS, you know, these guys, you know, very independent voice like they are making these independent movies. The studios had no say. And then, uh, after the day hunt, the success of this guy made a bomb. And then it basically kind of altered out Hollywood history. Why is it a bomb? Did you see that movie? Yeah, Heaven's Gate. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, it's hard. Yeah. It's seen every movie when you say it was a bomb. The, like, what was the budget at the time? Oh, it was, it was, and current dollars probably half a million, half a million dollars by, say, by, half a billion, if you were, if you were to pro-rated for, uh, like, maybe Jeep and pull it up. Oh, if you were to pro-rated by today, yeah, it was, it was, it was in a scene, a scene about the actual, wow, it was, it was 35 million back in the day. Yeah, what you know, 1780. Oh, what year was it? Because I'm going to do it. I mean, what was the Godfather? 35 million in 1980. I would assume that's 10 to 100. The Godfather's probably 20, 25 million. Yeah. They have 135. That's about 141 million these days. That's a budget. Yeah. Either way, like it, like it, it banked, you know, the success of one movie ended up, you know, like I'll turn out the course of Hollywood history. So a little near trippy. Well, I think that it's, I think it's kind of been a trend where that'll happen. Then they'll kind of cut back and not. So now it seems to be there's like a little bit of pushback because people want different new things now, where it's all the same bullshit. It's all like AI. It's all star wars. It's all, it's all like a model. I saw it on, it was Matt Damon on that. They show the hot ones, you know, where they like eat the hot food or whatever. And the guy asked him about basically like studio spending and stuff. And he was mentioning that the reason that the marvels and all those are made is because they know they're making the money back where what you're spending now to make it back. And it was all about how now you don't get the DVD sales that with the stream, like all of a sudden, the studios would know they'd make all this money after the film came out of the theater on DVDs that now is gone. So the spending is just so different based on like recouping the money. And it's actually shocking to me how much they spend on promotion. Oh, yeah, I think it's half. Yeah, it might be half the budget, yeah, half a billion. But like this, you know, the stock hole is called the shots. It's like the, you know, the, the art part of it is like kind of gone. It's like, it's secondary. It's, you know, I mean, it's always been about making money, but there's always been like, you know, a section or a significant part was like, all right, let's do some, you know, artistically. That's why like, whether you like, they're not the PT movie with the one was just out of one battle after another. Like, you know, they, they, I don't even know if that like turned a profit yet, but that's a, that's the type of thing that a studio would do all the time. Like, okay, even if we lose a little money, it's going to be at least an Oscar contender. Of course, it went a bunch of a wood. So that cat Shay is like priceless. That, you know, it's Abba, even if it did make it. Yeah. In the boss office, like, you know, there's still there's so some people that they're fighting for the, the art of it and they're basically saying, Hey, we're not going to make a profit here. We're just trying to break even. Yeah. There was actually another movie recently that came out where it's kind of clawing back to close to even, but I'm drawn a blind, but I mean, they'll, yeah, they'll always be like good independent filmmakers. And, you know, whether it's from other countries like that, you know, that guy was directed. parasite is, you know, there's always going to be like fresh voices out there. Just, it's just tougher and tougher for those people to get their voices heard the way, don't know the way the studios are being run these days. But anyways, I got a good record. I want to speak to a big budget. Uh, the Odyssey. When is that coming out? Uh, July 16th to the 22nd. Yeah. I'm going to go. And that is like one of the biggest budgets in the history of film. Uh, half a bill. Actually, no, I'm, I'm not even sure it is way, way up there. But like he, he did do any like CGI and he like, he did all practical effects. Like he had like ships built in like a 250 mill, 250 mill is the budget for that. And that's a heavy tag. And the, and the promotion will probably be at least another, another 100 mill anyways. But like they built like these. But I don't get why do you, why do you have to promote that? Everybody who's interested in film knows that this movie is coming out. Like, why would you need another 100 mill to promote it? That's for me. I don't think that's the 25 million on the promotion. And it's not even an average film person. But I know about this. Odyssey. Everybody's been talking about it word of mouth. So anyway, yeah, 100 sheets though. Yeah, incredible. Yeah, incredible cast. It looks, it looks pretty wild too. Like I said, none of the CGI like AI bullshit. It's like legit. He built like the Trojan host, like a hundred foot high when he had to grab a scots in it. There's some weird cameos. Yeah, at the weird cameos in it. Oh, what's his favorite? Avery didn't didn't make the cut for that. Would they? I don't know. I think he was a white film in an Iceland, I think. So now I don't know how much he'll be shown on. That's right. Okay. Yeah, filming it. Like sometimes you get cut out of the movie. I don't know how, how that works. But I would imagine you'll see his face based on his appearance in Oppenheimer. Yeah. He might have even a bigger role this time. He might get more airtime and Damon was busy. He had some lines. Yeah. But once again, like sometimes the things get left on that cutting room for. I also told I was going to get more playing time when I was in any job player. So that's our goal. Oh, yeah. On right here in Netflix, new mountain short documentary. It's called Maddie Life is short. You know, the comedian movie style is on SNL 100 years ago legit awesome documentary. Like whether you're familiar with his work or a huge fan like myself, give it a look. It's a like a real, you know, like just a good guy like a slice life. He's going through a lot of shit in his life. And he's an idiot. Yeah. Absolutely. One of the funniest Canadians of it. It's not the funniest. And like he's stroking off a muskoka. And it was, uh, yeah. Is that was, is that was snuggower? Yeah. He's, you think he's the funniest Canadian. I mean, you know, he said he's he's definitely up there. I mean, I mean, Jim Carrey's obviously one. Is he, is he from Ontario? Because there were no norm McDonald's funny or I think. Yeah. Yeah. Is he from Ontario? There was a clip I saw on social about how, like, how people from Ontario, there's a crazy amount of successful people from Ontario. Yeah. It's a lot been another funny bastard. We know your success. Mitch Marner. No, I'm the hammer. He's from Hamilton. Hammer Hamilton. There you go. And no, but it's, it's like abnormal amount of people. Like I think Jim, Jim Carrey, like the list was going on and on and on. I live in Ontario. I think that there's 10 million people. Yeah. Eugene. Rick, Rick Marinas. 11 million people. Joe Flaherty. Yeah. John Candy. Yeah. It's more about me. Mitch Marner. Very successful for material. Polaris. He's also, who's also a lover of muskoka. But anyways, it's, it's, uh, yeah, it's a good life apartment dog. It's, it's funny. What said, you don't have to be familiar with them. If you are, obviously, you'll probably like it more. But the funniest thing he ever did was on an old S and L. Skit. You could pull it up on YouTube when they him and I, Christopher, guess they do the synchronized swim and skit. I don't know if you ever seen it where he legit, give it, give it a look. He legit like the funniest thing he probably ever did. So give that a look, Marty. Life is short. Boys, game seven. Enjoy. Yeah. Uh, we'll see on the stream. 730 are YouTube channel. I can't wait. I just want a good game. Biz called over time. R.A. Said he likes the draw bet. That'll be going in on my draft King's account. Thank you. R.A. for coming on. Thanks to, oh, thanks to Knuckles, Nylon. And we appreciate it. And thanks to Murr, as long as he can get out of jail for the stream tonight, we'll, we'll have him and Armdog on and we love you all. Listen and game seven. Or as R.A. said, game motherfuckers seven. Have a great day. And for toys, right? ♪ I put again ♪ ♪ One and only ♪ ♪ One and only ♪ ♪ One and only ♪