Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 647: Featuring Chris “Knuckles” Nilan & T.J. Oshie

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The Montreal Canadiens are delivering us another game seven. They had us in the first round. They got us another one tonight. And it's all going to be pinkies up from here on out the rest of the day for Sabres fans, Canadiens fans. Just getting your game ready with a little pink Whitney, you know, on ice with soda water. Doesn't really matter whatever you're into. It's pink Whitney. It's pinkies up and shut out everyone out there who's representing with us with just just flashing a pinky at me. That's all I need. I got one today on a morning walk. Guy just gave me a pinkies up. Yes, I'm a morning walk guy. I'm officially 65 years old. So. It feels good. I'm ready, though, boys. Oh, my God. I needed a game seven. You know, I didn't think there was a chance in hell. We were getting one after games after game five. And we'll get into all this. But, Biz, I know that you you were just a classic mush. All the tweets. I believe there was three or four. I look back of it's all. Remember, I lost count. It's over. And you sent the one. This is it. I have no rooting interest, but it's Montreal. It's time. It will end. I was like, OK, that's a good pregame tweet. It was a long one. There was there was two or three more before opening puck drop on Saturday night. And that's all that we needed. That's all that we needed to get Buffalo back into this thing. Yeah. I was that a Murley reverse. You were trying to do reverse psychology. No comment. No comment. I felt like I wrote my college thesis. That's how long that tweet was. And it was no grammar mistakes. People have been on me, but my grammar shut up. Oh, there was one. I said I said the streets of Montreal. I'll fill with join instead of joy. I don't know if I knew what you meant, though. OK, well, I appreciate that. I was so tired from reading that or writing that tweet that I was supposed to go see Gene and his buddies who were in town on a bachelor party. I was I thought I thought I took an ambient after writing that I was zonked. So I shout out to all the college students out there writing papers and not having chat GPT do it because I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do it. Pinky's up to you. They don't do it. They have chat. GPT do it. But there are the far and few between that actually put the put the fucking blood, sweat and tears into it like I did. So shout out to them to me and my hundred hundred word count. I don't know if this is great to say as a dad, but I'm sometimes wondering now, like, why are we spending so much time with math for kids at younger ages? Now, maybe this is very stupid of me, but so they could really need to know math in the next 30, 40, 50, 100 years of life. Like, I'm pretty sure it might all be taken care of. I think it's more to exercise the brain. I like that. And like, I mean, those Sudoku puzzles don't solve themselves. Right. So you got to do something. But going back, though, boys, to that game in Montreal, like I had every feeling that they were going to close that out. Did you save it one sec? Because I did, too. I did, too. But I just want to before we bring in a guest, this will be the two hundred and third game seven. Just a couple of stats just to lead us off. Two hundred and third game seven in Stanley Cup playoffs. History, the second of this year, obviously, Montreal and Tampa in the first round, 19th consecutive year with multiple game sevens in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Now, having two through two rounds, I don't think that's ideal. I'm looking for four, which is maybe a little bit of a reach three. I feel like you can guarantee yourself. Right. But no, we got two through two rounds. Maybe we'll have a couple more. Yep. Yep. Three of the past six Stanley Cup champions required a game seven win along the way. That's Florida in the second round last year, as well as against. The Oilers in the twenty twenty four final. That's when they beat your old team, Biz Toronto and my team, the Oilers, Tampa Bay in the twenty twenty one Stanley Cup semifinals. The team that scores first, one hundred and fifty two and fifty. That's a seven fifty two winning percentage. That's incredible. And good math. Good math. And and this obviously this past year. I mean, this past series, first round, Montreal scored first. They end up with nine shots on net. They got the win. One hundred and five of the two hundred. And two all time game sevens have been decided by a one goal margin. So that's only fifty two percent. So you're not guaranteed a close game, but we should have gotten a stat for maybe an empty net two goal win, which I consider a one goal. I'll put a busy stamp guarantee on this one. Well, here we go. It's going to not only be a one goal game. This one's going to overtime this series, despite it going seven. Every game has felt lopsided, especially in score. Like there hasn't been a lot of like barn burners and a good game. It's going to be a good way where you're on your edge of the seat to the final seconds. This is going to overtime. Busy stamp of approval. Hot take right there. Well, that was my next stat that 50 game sevens have required overtime. That's twenty four point eight percent. Right. So half of the one goal victory margins are OT ones. And we got fourteen game sevens have required multiple OT periods. The last one. Do you guys remember? It was last year. Florida. Nope. Multiple overtime. Last year. Yeah. St. Louis at Winnipeg after the miracle. Come back. That went to second overtime that game when they tied it up in the last seconds. Yes. I didn't. I didn't think that either. I don't know. Is it? I didn't double check of that right now. I don't know. He's got it on there, but I believe him. I believe him. And twenty seven players in this series have played in the game seven. Obviously, everyone in Montreal. So my last news before we bring our guest in is. We're streaming this game. So for anyone out there, you get, you know, and we're out there. We're doing this for you guys. We love doing it, but we don't get to listen to volume on a game. So I get my nap time, too. And if you fall asleep tonight, there's a punishment. There's a big time punishment. I'll put the pot. OK. I don't know if we want that either, but there will be a punishment if you fall asleep. Now, we don't have volume. And I think for everyone out there, you should realize no volume on a game seven. That stinks. But we have each other. So for everyone at home. You've got the game on ESPN. You've got the announcers going. I think it'll be Sean McDonough, Ray Ferraro. And then just have us over there. And if something big happens, we'll obviously have been on a little bit of delay. We got a time up tonight. We all have to be on the same page tonight. Or we can go over for some reactions. So I hope everyone wants to join us a little bit for a very special stream of game seven. And with that, go ahead. I was just going to say before we bring in our guests, our special guests like this guy survived death yesterday. Yes, and we'll get into that. And this is our guy, Merles. Now, Merles, before we bring him in or as we bring him in, he is currently in the stands in Sweden at a soccer practice. He's scouting. For his five-year-old daughter. No, he's scouting the next prospects, seeing if they're doing summer sports. If his daughter isn't on that field and he's at this soccer practice, we have a big time issue. But Mer, in terms of surviving death, as you boarded the plane to Sweden, I believe you found a tick on your body. That is not good. Yeah, I'm trying to do my best Sheldon Keefe background for you guys there with the blue skies. Nice. You want to see the soccer practices over there? No. This is Sweden for you guys. But yeah, so I went for a little run. I go. I like to go for a little hero run before I get on the planes, you know, loosen up, get hydrated. I go and shower and I'm rubbing down the back of my leg and it almost felt like a big zit. I was like, oh, my God. Like, what kind of ingrown hair is that? I'm like, no, it's not that. It must be like a piece of tape from like a Band-Aid or something. So I keep pulling at it You gotta rip the thing off I don't know if any of you guys have had one I had one on me once My leg and I was like oh no I didn't realize how dangerous these things were Yeah Biz asked what's the big deal He said they carry Lyme disease So I don't have my glasses on Obviously in the shower or my contacts So I can't really see the thing I'm like what is it? Oh shit it's a tick I put it on the counter The thing's still running around I couldn't kill this thing So I completely panic, call my brother He was an old athletic trainer He was completely no help at all He's like call somebody else So thank god my old Dr. O'Brien I've talked about him before The guy saved my life many times Big Montreal Canadiens fans by the way That's good This is all Merle's Yeah so I call him He's like make it a FaceTime call So I can see the bug So I can see the leg He's like don't worry you're going to be fine I'll call in the medicine I'm like well I'm leaving in an hour He goes oh that's a little tougher He's like what do you mean? I'm like I leave for Newark in an hour So he made some extra special calls I picked up the medicine Got out of there He thinks I'll be fine It hasn't grown any But yeah make sure you're checking yourself Make sure you're checking your kid for ticks Because I was always a guy It's never going to happen to me Just in case I think just in case We should all say something very nice to Merle Just in case Oh my god Well Jan's first text was you're a goner or something Yeah that was a panic I damaged you though I damaged you in which I said I believe as long as it doesn't burrow its way into your skin It's still on top And you pick it off You should be good But you are a guy that You're a little bit of a mush So I really hope that you're okay I'm knocking on wood for you I'm praying for you And we appreciate you grinding through a tick bite To join us from Sweden Tick bite? And then 18 hours of travel But like hey Just like the Sabres I was dead I was a dead man walking after game 5 You know I was almost dead Keith had me dead I had the Sabres dead And then all of a sudden that happens Saturday night Before we move on to talk about game 6 Merle I got one last question Did you invent Lyme disease? No That's one thing I'm not taking any sort of credit for Okay alright well good to know Merle So Biz already said it I was with him It was over I mean I saw that crowd in Montreal I think they said 20,000 out there And as the playoffs have gone along The crowd outside the Bell Centre It's gotten deeper and deeper And at the point Saturday night The camera went to it And as far as the camera could see There was people I'm like oh my god And after game 5 Which was a complete shit kicking In which UPL is pulled Lyon comes in It's a disaster for the Canadians I'm like this is it This is over But just like in the first round They have a chance to close out Tampa They lose 1-0 that game This one they give up 8 What the hell switched And going into game 6 Were you like Biz and I And saying this thing's done? It's completely done It was the first time I didn't even make any bets On a game this entire playoffs Because I wasn't betting against my Sabres And they're not going to win There's no chance they can win So are you going to bet the game 7? How do you feel about game 7? Yeah I feel like I probably shouldn't now But you know I don't dig I don't dig like Biz You know we're not diggers What do you do for ticks? I send a text Like it's probably 10 minutes left In the third period To somebody in the organization So it would be the first thing they see When they come off the bench Or out of their office I won't give away my sources I said don't even let the guys go home When you land in Buffalo go directly To a hotel Set up the team meals You got to treat this thing exactly like you did in Montreal Because they stink at home So I don't know if they've done it They did they stayed at the Marriott They stayed at the Marriott It was all Merle Lindy Ruff he should have given you credit He said right after the game Like we're trying to figure out a way To get this game played in Montreal Now both I think the road team In this series is 4-2 It's a place where you'd Think both have crazy home ice Advantage I'm also now at the point Where home ice advantage doesn't matter In the Stanley Cup playoffs I don't think it matters For young teams I think that young teams sometimes have a problem Like channeling it Which both of these teams are fairly young Teams right Usually you're able to channel that energy And use it wisely and use that Like you said that crowd advantage And especially when you get six times Stanley Cup champion Larry Robinson Coming up Coming out with the torch I mean how do you not end it You go up 3-1 there And then you throw up all over yourself Eight Was it eight unanswered goals Seven unanswered When's the last time that happened in a playoff game That might be like a first time ever I'm somebody also Along with my home ice advantage Doesn't matter anymore in the Stanley Cup playoffs I'm also a little I've always been like coaching Is kind of overrated a little bit The players are the ones out there doing it There's only so much a coach can do And maybe as a guy who said Coach is kind of It's time for them to be fired I'm playing both sides here But we have two incredible coaches in this series And Lindy Ruff put his stamp on this series With those lineup decisions And those changes in game six The amount of flip-flopping he did And lineup changes that he So he ended up putting Tage Thompson on the first line With Benson and Josh Norris Unreal call Right there I think having Benson with Thompson And then Thompson over on the wing Made a huge difference Now it seems to me That Thompson's definitely battling something As probably what Eight out of every ten guys left playing Is battling something Yeah every list comes out after every series And it's like Yeah The trainers are Like a CVS receipt Yeah They got fans No it's like a World War II Like injury recap of guys You're seeing stuff You're like what the fuck's going on How are these guys playing Cut a goat they had a broken spine The guys out there Playing for Anaheim But Benson's the best player on Buffalo I think they put Whatever line they're putting you on He can go to any line And get whoever going And that's why he put him there He is their best player He put Krebs on the fourth line And then McLeod became the center Of the second line With Tuck and Josh Doan And then what he did was Which I had seen certain Sabres fans Calling for Zach Metza to play And I hope I'm saying his name correct He was on the Quinnipiac winning team When they beat Minnesota A few years And he's undersized I want to say he's 5'9 Defenseman But buddy he can move He can fly around And he's done a good job With limited ice time So Lindy Ruff makes some ballsy moves They go down 3-1 And also go back to game 5 It was only a matter of time Before Demidov popped up His goal in game 5 His first ever career playoff goal Was a complete snipe He just drags it in and rips it Pinkies up And then I said He's gonna once he gets one The floodgates are gonna open That's what I'm saying That shot in game 6 Was I mean That's a straight up Ovechkin Stamkos All time one timer Back foot Knee down 2-1 That made it 2-1 or 3-1 Yeah Jake Evans made it 3-1 Short handed And the Jake Evans goal He's unbelievable He's great And going back to last year Where Montreal lost in the first round There was a lot of discussion About moving on Maybe they were gonna trade him At the deadline They came to an organizational decision Let's re-sign him At a hell of a deal I think 2.5 Maybe 2 And he's been great But Murr That was the goal Where I was like Before you go to Murr Cause I had a Murr moment With the Demidov Okay You did You had a tick too Oh you did You're right You better show him Some fucking respect Whit I'm sorry I'm sorry So I'm I'm looking at I'm watching Demidov During this whole playoffs He's not looking like himself He's not getting the shots off He's not making those Cut in moves That he's doing The puck's coming off his stick A little bit more So I go back And I watch all of his highlights From this year And what do I notice I thought his stick was longer And what do I notice He's using White tape All year Making plays Having an unbelievable year Almost gonna win the Calder Cup And then this series And this playoffs He's got black tape I text someone From their organization Like a Murls And be like Hey we gotta get this guy Back on the black tape Boom He gets back on the black tape What do you know Oh the white tape Oh sorry sorry Yeah vice versa He was using the black And struggling Goes back to the white So you had them take All the black tape Out of the locker room I actually flew up there I don't know If they could know this As a security I flew up there And I took all the Renfrew Tape out of there Yeah So little do we know That Keith has He changed the The series for Demidov And Murr has The Buffalo Sabres Staying in a Marriott So we've The Chickletons Announced their presence But But on the Evans-Goldmer Lyon I tweeted out Save the puck Save the puck What I I was like You have to save One of these Because You forget about Wi-Fi Jack-Eye's goal Was kind of brutal too And Nope There we go UPL back in Now in Montreal The goalie doesn't sit On the bench He's where the team Exits for the locker room And the camera pans over The door to the locker room UPL's getting the stuff But at that point I'm like This is crazy man They cannot get a save And an all-time Coaching decision Again Everything switched That was a disgrace Like the goaltending All series Has been a disgrace But that's That's the good thing About hockey UPL needs to play One good game tonight Play one good game, and they're moving on, and everything is settled. And speaking of the goalies, when you said you pulled up Merle, I thought you were going to say about your call that all four goalies will show their face in this series. And we saw them all in this game. One game. But he should have been pulled after, I think it was the fourth one. What do you mean? No, they only let up three. That was it. Oh, Dolbush? No, Dolbush. Oh, Dolbush. Yeah, I think they should have pulled him after that fourth one, got rid of him, because at that point, they brought Fowler in. It was basically halfway through the third. It's like, why even do it now? I guess you want to get him some rest, because you have to go with Dolbush, right, for what he did last game seven against Tampa. So for me, it was almost like after the second period or halfway through the second period, just take him out, get him in the locker room, and be like, hey, dude, go sit on the bus, get some rest, get ready for game seven. And, you know, obviously, Marty had the comments after the game in Buffalo where he didn't take him out, and they ended up winning it. And he's like, it was my decision. The goalie coach obviously helps me out, so maybe they were trying to think a little bit too far ahead, like keep him in, and we can come back and win this game. But when your goalie's letting in goals like five-hole on the ice or no-screen slapshots from almost the blue line, you got to know he's not feeling it and give him the yank. Send him to Laval. See you later, Dolbush. You know, we haven't even mentioned. Boys, I was going to chime in. I mean, I think that we jumped the shark here. Ross Mustalien, boys. I was just going to say that. That first goal. I mean, not only the first goal, but the first time he's ever been in an elimination game in his playoff career, obviously, because he hadn't been in any playoffs until this year. Five fucking points. Remarkable performance. Everything that this guy dealt with this year, nominated for the Norris, probably going to win it. I mean, at this rate, it seems like a lot of people have him as a lock. He hasn't given me that dirty look because he's got his boy, Wierenski. But regardless, top three in the league, defensive defenseman. And all of a sudden, he has a game like that when facing elimination. So, unbelievable performance. Another guy, too, who we always talk about maybe wanting a little bit more from, like, especially physically, Owen Power. I think he's led their D as far as ice time so far in this series. Like, every game. And coming back from that fall that he took. Turning into a pretzel. I don't know how easy he was playing. I can't believe he was okay after that. What a savage. He must be Gumby or, like, what's the guy who gets Stretch Armstrong? Gumby. Stretch Armstrong. Oh, it is Gumby. It is Gumby. It's Stretch Armstrong. You had both. You're on fire right now. Oh, look at me. Look at me. Firing all cylinders. But, boys, like, that's a pretty, that first goal, like, we've been talking about Lane Hudson, Lane Hudson, Lane Hudson, because he's been coming down, walking, doing all this crazy fucking black magic bullshit offensively. That was a pretty silky move to cut in. And then go to the backhand top cheddar. Keep the change. I forget the forward that was coming. He was kind of approaching him defensively. He went down on one knee. And a guy like Darlene or Hudson or these top-end defensemen, like, you're done. Like, I don't really get. Maybe he thought he was going to shoot it. Obviously, a great sell by Darlene. But he was actually the first defenseman in NHL history with five points in an elimination game. Oh, wow. It wasn't just incredible for him. Hey, don't say wow. That's my word. Wow. That was a great, for anyone, who hasn't seen the clip of Keith saying, wow, like he's so bored by all of us. I think Big Cat said it was for sure to you, Biz. I kind of laughed at that, but I've definitely got a couple. Wow. Shut up. Well, basically, it just it's like when you're the caption was when your friends telling a brutal story and you're like, wow. Wow. Yeah. Holy. And in your head, you're like, stop me the fucking talk out of here right now. I don't feel like that for you guys. It might have been. Yeah, I got a couple of things for you, though. It's five and oh, after a loss in this playoffs, I believe their last two games, they're one in one. Their last four games are two and two. Do you guys see that tweet? Yeah. The last six games are three and three. The last eight games are four and four. The last 10 games, five and five. The last like it's something ridiculous. It just keeps going. You can look for that tweet. All that said, we're in a game seven and Alex Talks been the worst player in the series. So again, our goalie can play one good game. Alex Talk. Can play one good game. Everything's forgotten and we're on the Carolina, but Benson with talk Merle. Merle's I got, I got one for you before you go. There's been 45 goals scored in this series already. Guess how many in the Carolina two series have been scored? 12 34 combined. So, and you guys, you guys want Carolina in the finals. Good call. I'm wondering why, because you look at Tampa. Tampa in the seven game series had 12 goals against Montreal and Buffalo has what 21 already now granted like the two, they have some empty netters and stuff, but you'd feel like Tampa would be able to score at least at the same rate as Buffalo and maybe Buffalo's defenseman kind of flying around have made it more difficult for Montreal because, you know, they didn't, they don't have a Darlene in Tampa in Tampa, especially with headman out. They don't have a Byram. If power's moving around, which he has, Samuelson has the, at least one goal, right on the backdoor play. So it's been interesting that Buffalo's had more offensive success than Tampa did against the Canadians. I didn't, I think both these teams play such a similar type of game where they're deer up in the play and that's why they're high scoring games. And I think Tampa, especially when playoffs starts, like they know what it takes to win in the playoffs with the low scoring games. Like they kind of can go and play that game where Montreal is yet young and Buffalo's young. Like they're still playing the way that they played in regular season, like that running gun game, which I love it. Like it's been fun. It's been entertaining. You're getting a ton of goals, but I think to, you know, really buckle down and win this game, like they said, you know, a one goal game going to overtime, it's, it's, it's one of those things you got to figure out as an organization, a young organization to win these games. And, you know, Buffalo obviously has this as, as a game seven played this, uh, last year's against Tampa. And. And I think there's only six guys on Buffalo that have played in the game seven. So maybe a little bit more, more, uh, credit to Montreal for this game going into it. Maybe they have a little bit of an upper hand, but you never know. Do you hear who's banging the drum? Oh, yeah. The tick that they found on the girl's leg. No way. Yeah. They're sending them in. That might not be true, but I do know this to be facts that they've put the beer sabers back on sale. So everybody's going to be getting real belligerent, real left. He's going to buy another one. Like they should honestly have Ron to do it. Oh, there he is. He's out of the box. Referees put away the whistles. Let's have a nice three, two OT game. Yeah. Game seven style. I agree. I will see you guys tonight on the stream. Yes. More. We appreciate it. If you're, if you're still alive, bring the lines. We got four spots. We got four sponsors, the same four sponsors. I'll be ripping the ads all night. Yeah, you will bring the athletic lime and salt. Are you L Y M E? Go dodge the police from being in a random soccer practice for little kids. And so, yeah, some little kid just pulled out his horn and peed behind this, this deck that you guys made me come. Okay. Get them off. Piss bomb. Get them on this bomb. See him. I think we, we have seen two of the greatest dives I've ever witnessed in Lane Hudson. When John, when John, when John, when John, when John, when John, Josh Norris hooked him. That was a straight-up swimming pool dive. It was incredible. And Josh Doan had an amazing one as well with the head flew back. I think that was game five. So, you know, everyone's doing their best to draw a call. Matheson and Carrier, tough game at home, game six. You got to think they bounce back. Man, I just don't know what to expect. Mergers said, just give us a good game. Biz, that's all I want is a good game. I can't have a blow game seven. And even though Montreal only had nine shots on net in game seven against Tampa, it was still a great game. It was exciting. Dobish is standing on his head the entire time. They're trying to hold this lead. They get a late third-period goal by Newhook. I need a good game tonight. I think we all do. I mean, you think Dobish's mental is going into this game after getting pulled last game? Like, that's got to be a tough. I think he seems pretty confident, man. I think he's fine. Yeah, he's pretty calm. Yeah. I mean, like, also, like, I think he's playing with the house's money, man. This has been a fucking great year for him. Like, yeah, you're going to have games like that. And also, like, the overall defensively, they imploded, too. I'm not just saying, like, it's all on him. There were some rough goals there. But, yeah, let's see. I mean, it all goes back to the way that they've been able to bounce back. It's kind of like a new school Vasilevsky. Remember, like, Vasilevsky's number after facing a loss? Like, how he was able to regress. So, I think that this is going to be, I think it's going to actually be a 4-3 overtime win. I'm not going to. 4-3 overtime win. For who? You don't know who? I don't know yet. And I'll send out a tweet later today. I don't know. I don't have a feeling yet. I need to just get through this podcast. And then I'm going to sit with it. I'm going to do a little meditation. I'm going to smoke a half a J. I'm going to sit in my pool. Because the home teams. They've struggled so much. It's so hard to pick this game. Right? Like, you want to take the home team at least to. But like, but these road, they're so good on the road right now. It's like, how do you go against the road? So I'm going to go to this though. I don't know if you guys saw that viral video and we talk about the fandom in Montreal and how many people they have outside the building. Well, there was a video that was posted and it was a guy walking through the storm where they all stand to watch the monitor outside. And he had a Jack Quinn jersey on. I don't know if he was with his sister, his girlfriend, his wife, but it was just the two of them. And they were going right through the gauntlet and there were Canadians fans, not only like yelling at him, chirping at him. Somebody threw a piece or a roll of toilet paper at him. Oh, that's dirty. It's dirty. Did you see the video? It was used toilet paper. I don't know if it was used. I don't know. Did you see the video I'm talking about with? I did not. Okay. Well, I quote tweeted it. You can go see it on my Twitter account. And sure enough, Jack Quinn hadn't scored a goal. Oh my God. Playoffs. So what does number 22 do? He scores two goals, his first two of the playoffs in facing elimination and backs against the wall. So I think that I was shocked to not see blade gang come to their defense. I don't know if they were nowhere to be found, if they hung out in Buffalo, but I just feel like maybe that was a pivotal turning point in, in fandom going overboard and being disrespectful. Yeah. He gods were like a roll of toilet paper. Absolutely. Absolutely not. Also, Jack Quinn, the first one, Darlene passed it to him. I think, I don't know if it hit anything. I don't think it did post an end, but it looked like Dobish could have had it. The second one. I don't, I can't recall seeing a snipe from where he was. It hit the top of the net. That was, it's, it's a point of entry. Like that is just a world-class snipe. I actually saw a side-by-side picture of one of Tage Thompson's goals. It might've been against Slovakia in the, in the Olympics, the exact same knee down and both those guys can rip it. But like Demidov gets one in game five, he can stays hot, gets one in game six. Jack Quinn gets his first two. 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Oh, man. So, Knuckles, we mentioned a couple minutes ago the vibe at that arena and outside the arena and the dominance in Game 5 by Montreal. We all had it. It was done. It was over. And I'm sure the city felt the same. What do you think about their effort and, more than anything, being up 3-1 and then it just switched after UPL went back in for the Sabres? Well, it's kind of Game 5 and 6 was kind of like a microcosm of Buffalo's season, right, the way they started and the way they finished in Games 5 and 6. And then Game 6, boy, you know, they get up 3-1 there. And I think the thing that haunts this team, and it's been covered. It's been covered up quite a bit by the goaltending, was the way they play in their own end of the rink. You know, you saw it in that game. You know, you got defensemen chasing up to the blue line. Talked about this earlier in the year about this team. It's one of the things that haunt them. They get turned around. The offensive team pulls switches on them, and they get mixed up. They turn their back to the puck. And then Dobesh has a stand on his head, and he's done a hell of a job doing it. But after a while, that gets old. That gets tough on a goaltender. So that's one of the things. It's too late to really correct it. I think they've done a pretty good job during the playoffs. But, boy, it comes back to haunt them every time. Knuckles, this team, Montreal hasn't lost back-to-back games since March 14th, March 15th. Like, what is it about that group? You know, even last game, you get blown out. Like, what is it that you have the confidence in them to rewrite the ship tonight and have a better game? Well, I would hope so, you know, looking at their past. But you didn't throw that all out the window. Game 7, you're in the opposing building. I always say it like, you know, guys would rather be home Game 7. But, boy, Game 7, the home team has all the pressure. You have to win. You're expected to win. And I think if they come out and put their game to them, they have a good opportunity. I think the resiliency part, this team grew together. They went through a lot of growing pains. There's no question. This coach, Monty St. Louis, like, he's able to park stuff and put it behind. Yeah, he'll hold his guys accountable. But he very rarely uses the stick. It's always the carrot. And I think these guys respond to it, you know. I've talked to a few guys, and they said some of the things they've heard him say in the locker room they never heard come out of another coach's mouth in their young career. So, you know, even in minor hockey. So, yeah, a lot of credit to him, the way he's able to deal with these kids. And, yeah, they've done a good job of bouncing back. I hope they can do it again tonight. Do you mean just as far as, like, positivity, maybe in moments where it's easy to be negative, like, just like the way he's able to inspire them? And, like, do you have an example of, like, of what you're talking about? How, of something that they're like, wow, like, we weren't expecting to hear that at that point. Well, not so much because I, again, not so much an example as far as hearing what he said or knowing what he said, but just for instance, when Kirby Dock had that game, right? Like, he stuck with them. This whole city up here was calling for this kid's head. And here's the coach backing him big time, and then he comes back and has a huge game. You know, so, you know, he just does things that, you don't see those old school or conventional coaches do, you know? You know, back in certainly my day, and I'm sure some of you guys tasted this too. It's like, you know, do what I tell you, shut up. You know, that's it. And you don't hear that from Marty. There's no question. Yeah, you're talking about game. I think it was game two in Tampa, right? Kirby Dock had that tough, tough icing, and then ended up, they ended up scoring the next shift where he went on to the D-man. But like you said, stuck with them. And obviously, like instilled more confidence in him. And that, that line. was huge throughout the back half of that series against Tampa where I think they outproduced definitely outproduced that top line because the top line went kind of dry on power play and even five on five but Army sent in a question here and I was actually going to ask something similar because going back to last game and you played with him and won a cup with him in 85 was Larry Robinson six times Stanley Cup champion he carried out the torch for game six and you got the opportunity to do that Army's question was how nervous were you doing that like was that one of the coolest moments of your life yeah there's no question listen you know before I did it it was only Hall of Famous right it was Jean Beliveau Yvain Conway, Rashad Cabo different guys had the opportunity to do that when they called me I was like I was heading down to Massachusetts on Thursday because and I'm not blowing my own horn here but I got inducted to the Mass Hockey Hall of Fame which was an honor in and of itself for me but they called me and end up asking me I'm like okay so I had to change my plans and you know it was emotional for me because again being a kid from Boston coming up here first English ambassador ever with the team you know another whole you know LeFleur bringing the torch out LeFleur an ambassador Beliveau all the greats and getting that that call was it was awesome so coming out with the torch was really cool having that opportunity the fan base was like the fan base is just rabid up here it's incredible like I've never honestly I've never been in a building like that I don't think there's one you know I went to Liverpool Everton last year and they sing the soccer you know they sing all and it's a great great atmosphere but the electricity in that building before the game during the game especially if they're doing well the balloon got popped the other night there's no question but it's incredible like I sit there some nights and I'm like if I was ever in that runway waiting to come out I think I'd kill someone oh yeah that's gotta be the that's the best come out in the NHL right there because you thought it's it's so wide it's right in the middle of the ice so it's like the perfect spot to come out where it's you know front and center and oh my god that that ice is lit up everybody's on their feet it's it's remarkable there's nothing like in hockey that's for sure yeah we were just saying before you came on or Keith asked the question about Dobish mentally you know he gets the hook and now you got a game seven on the road but I kind of said from his interviews and stuff he seems like a pretty level headed doesn't get too high doesn't get too low guy um what what have you come to learn you know watching him and covering him this year in this playoff run about how he might approach this game seven I think that bad game he had early in the year when he cried after the game he got it out of his system hello what would you have done to your teammate if he cried after he put the torch out on him the next practice one off the head but you know he come out and said he's a goofy kid he likes it I ended up between a meet him last year and um in a golf golf tournament in Newfoundland and um yeah I saw him afterwards and he is yeah he's nonchalant he's but boy when I see him on the ice his focus you know between breaks everything he really he he's a focused kid he's he's surprised a lot of people we saw a little taste of it last year in the playoffs I think he was a little overwhelmed easy situation to be in but it was a good taste for him the kid is resilient I see him as bouncing back you know he certainly wants to overcome what happened in game six um RA was in attendance I know you ran into him and he was saying when they were doing the player intros that Lane Hudson got the biggest pop what's it been like just like watching the start of his career and like what he's meant to that team and like what he's able to do at such a young age like his motor is like out of this world and quickly before you go when you first saw him like off the ice you must have been like what like this guy's gonna play yeah yeah I was gonna pull out the little tennis racket that you electrocute the flies with like he um yeah when I saw him the first time this kid's gonna get killed and you can't catch him yeah you can't he is so elusive he's so assertive when he has the puck his leg he got these crazy legs that go in directions that normal legs don't go in and he's it's crazy he'll come down the wall he'll spin off and turn like to watch him as much as I have I just it's so like the one bright point in that game the other night was him one of the bright points there were other guys that certainly showed up to play but um not all of them um they struggled but that kid is yeah he's amazing you know uh uh the Anderson goal and then the uh the Caulfield goal in game five like he's coming in the goalie thinks he's shooting all the way and he's not even looking at that player and he gives him the puck he's looking straight at the goaltender and that puck goes across and they get two tapping goals just incredible plays that every night it's something and to me my biggest surprise watching this kid is the ability his ability to defend and he defends well with a stick when he has to use his body he'll get it in a way in such a way where he can take the puck from you he doesn't hold power guys he's just so smart he's so quick he can take the puck from you and make you look foolish you could be six six six six five whatever six four it doesn't matter you can be little Benson he's gonna take it from you and that to me is the biggest surprise the way he's able to defend yeah he's they call it surfing like how the way they defend it defend some of these small guys and how they angle you off but going back to the the Anderson goal backdoor is is I'm sure we'll see it a ton tonight game seven is every time they have an offensive zone draw and it's on the left hand side for like the offensive team and it's them they usually have them on the ice and they're running face off plays every time and it's not the same one like you saw the other night where like they're they're like talking like it's a quarterback ready to fucking you know snap back the pigskin and like all of a sudden they're running route so it's pretty cool to see what they've done as far as schemes basically like around this player like because when he gets it at the point and he you know right off a fresh draw like he could go any way he's a water bug and he creates so much offense from like a dead stop so it's pretty cool the way that that Marty's coached that and I'm interested to see how much it happens tonight yeah listen it happens against them too and that's where they really got to be careful but you know I think certainly that's where Marty comes in he he got all the stuff all these schemes he's able to to set plays you know what I love about Marty and I you see a lot of NHL teams you know there's a timeout guys come over the bench and the assistant coach got the board out not here Marty has it every time and you see all those guys are very attentive they listen they're not like looking down the bench talking to someone else while the coach is talking they're all in there and they all have their nose in there so that's that's a good thing but yeah he he's you know I've seen him work with Demidoff and practice a lot of times talking to the kid on the you know doing stuff on the wall spinning off the wall he did it with Cole earlier where he sets up on the PP taking that step to the middle to improve his angle all those things like he really yeah he he he played the game you know the guy that that certainly not drafted not supposed to make it set back set back and then he becomes the hall of famous so the guy knows what the hell's going on there's no question Knuckles the start of periods and start of games for Montreal has not been great right they're getting scored on giving up opportunities like what what is good do you think it's one of those things where it's just brain farts guys are guys are not into the game yet like it but when it just happens more and more like you you gotta think it's an issue no I I was just patting the coach on the back okay um now I let me look at the listen every game they've started Suzuki Slavkoski and Caulfield they win the draw Slav gets it he dumps it in for who Cole Caulfield chances are he's not coming up with the puck it's not his game I was I was hoping to see like Anderson and company out there like put the puck in and establish the way you wanna play and I'm not saying those guys can't do it but they've started every game and it's been a piss poor start every time every time they get it stuck right up their hoop so you know yeah I would like to see that change I'd like to see them put out guys that are gonna put the puck deep and going and put the put the body on guys and get that game going before you get the fancy shit going you say hoop too eh up the hoop I like that you said right in nice there should be a co-host up the five hole um boys we should look for that tonight to see if changes it up i i agree with you uh knuckles that's that would see anderson going there with a flying elbow or something fucking right let's set the tone malone bugsy malone style yeah in a game seven i would say like most important player goalie um and dole bush in tampa he proved that but after him i'm gonna say for me it's suzuki i'm interested in your guy you know he's the captain he started it off in game seven in tampa with that beautiful deflection it was going wide good got a good balance but still a great tip is that a guy for you that's like tonight after dole bush he needs to be going he needs to be at the top of his game because you've seen moments of him being brilliant and then moments where him and that line have been very quiet it's it's kind of random how it's worked for the for the yeah it has you know i i think nick's resiliency um slick nick um you know he's he he's so level i have not seen this kid get too high get too low which i think bodes well for the whole group along with the coach right to have that example as a captain but um yeah they've struggled and again you know you know playoff hockey is so different than the regular season it's just so different and all of a sudden it's a like for guys who haven't played it and even guys who have a little bit under their belt it's still a shock when all of a sudden you know there's the openings that were there during the regular season aren't there in the playoffs um i think it was game five in buffalo there where nick he had the puck on the side of the net and um just inside the dot and it looked like he was should have shot it and he ended up passing it for a tap-in goal and and like those are the things he can do under pressure and he does quite a bit um he's he bigger than i think a lot of people think and he plays that that 200 foot game you know he's really responsible on both ends of the rink um last guy i was going to ask you about in particular was jake evans and like a guy who doesn't make a lot of money there was rumblings that they were maybe going to trade him because they couldn't figure out uh a contract situation but eventually they ended up signing him i think he makes like 2.75 2.85 million i've been blown away by by his performance so far in these playoffs not exactly a world burner as far as like the offensive output but actually in playoffs he's been a lot better than regular season as far as point per game output but what like what do you see from him like he's been awesome for them in this stretch here yeah he's been a great leader you know listen that face off dot he's been awesome penalty killing uh and five on five he's not gonna hurt you you know he's not gonna hurt you at all and and that short end the goal was huge the other night and you would think up three one well all right let's let's not sit back but let's play smart here and boy the wheels fell off but jake uh yeah he he's he's a leader on the ice uh another kid that's pretty even keeled and um just a good example of what you want from an nhl player another 200 foot player you know um and and certainly the contract was was i think a bit of an issue there for a bit but then um he ended up saying listen i want to play here i want to be part of this i wouldn't mind winning a stanley cup one day and you know i give credit to the top you know when you jeff gordon but of course we got to bring a guy from boston up the straight the canadians though um but they you know all right together and and ken hughes like being a guy who negotiated contracts on the other side knowing that game and and then the two of them together um you know there was some controversial picks you know slap he was like everybody why don't you take the other guy you know here's a team that needed to get bigger tougher and stronger and you know they made some incredible picks to build this team and and you know we talked about the fan base earlier they've been awfully patient and now they're starting to see some of those rewards and boy they're letting them know um how much they love what's going on here yeah they got slammed for that sloth pick when when shane wright was kind of uncontested first overall never forget shane wright's look to their to their table after uh after he finally got picked what was it fourth but yeah they got they got smoked for for that one and sloths kind of turned out exactly how they expected and then he struggled a little bit to his first year yeah i mean i called him a boss he was getting concussion he was getting lit up yeah for sure another another guy too that struggled a little bit in you know we've all played with russian guys where if they are struggling you can see it in their body language given it whatever but demodod's been a guy he hasn't been scoring until you know two games ago but now he is but he never it never looked like he really was getting off his game he was still doing the little things right still trying hard like what do you see from that kid yeah this is a bright future you know he really a lot of talent he's another one the spin moves being able to take the puck with him and not lose it you know when you when you spin like that and you're trying to trying to get to the middle of the ice when i like he's penetrating now like the other night in in buffalo going to the net when um he got cross checked down like he wasn't on the outside he's taking the puck to the net that time i think that's going to help him but you know we often forget and i know they do here slap was 18 years old the other kids 19 it's like the you know i get it's a kid's game today but they're still young as far as the league you run into guys who've been around for a while you know they're gonna they're gonna hand your hat to you you know see you later and i think this they've got a taste of that and they the more and more uh experience they get the better they're gonna be you know slap slap was living in finland at 16 years old in his own place and when he had to it wasn't sure what to cook he called his mother and the mother would tell him what the i mean come on 16 years old who does that you know i was still eating boogers it's my new keith at 16 he wasn't he was eating cheez-its and reese's so um rollback last question for you knuckles use code chiclets on rollback.com generous 20 off your first purchase at the end of the week uh r-o-r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com c-h-i-c-l-e-t-s for the 20 off polo shorts hoodies and more it's been a while since montreal and the city got to experience this uh 2021 even when they were in the finals it was it was covid you know the arena wasn't full until you went down to tampa what is the city like like how do you describe it for people who've never been there and going around even at the golf course today i'm sure it's all anyone's talking about how how special is this city when they're in the mix right like they are right now there's a different vibe boy you know like when i played here it was crazy you know people going around they in their car they get the flag out the window right that they pinch it up when you roll the window up you see them everywhere people are beeping at each other um people are wearing jerseys it's crazy everybody has a red jersey um yeah you know you wear a white one in the game you're an outcast and um it's like a whole different vibe the restaurants are going every it's just crazy and if they do get out of this round you'll be even crazier this coming weekend because formula one is here at the same time it's insane like you know just the buzz the people absolutely love it they're so passionate about the team here i always say people it's not a hockey town here it's a habs town you know and they proved that back in the world junior you know they had the world junior here no one showed up to the games they couldn't they couldn't sell it out you know but when the habs are going there's nothing like it and biz yeah i was with you in arizona when that shit happened i would have loved oh i could have used you buddy he does too head kicked in yeah you probably would i would like since you just talked about it being a habs town 85 i was believe is that the year you won it yeah 85 86 80 uh you played 18 playoff games that year you scored one goal who is your goal against let me think just say a hall of famer i don't know usually i remember most of them but i don't remember that i don't know i think well in calgary i hit the crossbar twice in the same games shift after shift crazy i remember the referee come up and he bill mccrary and he said to me knuckles hit the net and i'm like fuck um last one that what was the celebration like in montreal at all when you guys won at navy six insanity you know i i remember flying back when we charted back and then just non-stop like non-stop and um going to city hall you know and then going down st catherine street probably the run was probably about seven six miles from city hall backwards down uh st catherine street and it was insanity like we were all in convertibles they had the cup on a float with the captains and the assistants and then everybody else i was at a convertible with uh mario trombley and geek cavanaugh and it was insanity people are passing you drinks and not uh I'm surprised I didn't get roofied and, um, um, you wouldn't have mind. did oh yeah he did at that point himself yeah and then we go by um uh super sex and the girls are all hanging out the window up top they're taking my pop pop shake we would get it was a storefront to storefront over a million people it's crazy people are nuts here and i i love to see that again in my lifetime there's no question about it uh it'd be awesome you got you guys had patrick waugh come in as a rookie you got dovish as a rookie this year like there's some signs for the young goalies there there's no question and follow you know coming in the other night that was a tough situation with our kid to be thrust into but hey that's you want to play net that's what happens and um yeah dobesh certainly i remember patrick come in another kind of goofy looking goalie come in and you know he stood on his head i mean we had a really good defensive team that year though you know we we had the least goals against in the league that year um and and patrick came in halfway through so our team played well defensively patrick stood in his head dovish man the future looks bright here both goaltenders and you know they might have an issue at some point if you know that's going to be a battle the two of them when you know the regular season comes around again next year which is a problem to have and hopefully you can get both of them under contract um at the same time but yeah um things things look good here i just i hope for this group they they get it done tonight they've shown they're resilient and you know you put some pressure on the home team early and they start gripping the sticks um you never know knuckle since you brought it up um before we let you go so like in your heyday when you guys won that cup like if you go into super sex like there's every girl he lived there he lived there it does every girl is every girl like knuckles knuckles no we used to go to che paria wandas we didn't go to super sex so much okay i did i've been to wandas yeah i went there with uh yeah i went there with a couple of the guys being in a cave that's what that's where you know that's when you feel like an nhl is when you walk into a strip club in montreal and they treat you like you're like your royalty oh it's crazy it's the best yeah at the best the lovely sexy and beautiful chantal ah we we welcome to the main state knuckles you're the best uh the best buddy have a good round and i don't know what you'll be doing for game seven i'm sure you'll be uh all fired up though and i i hope we get a great one so we appreciate it and and keep crushing it up there i'll be licking my wounds from shooting 92 today because i'm okay that's okay go to go to wandas you'll get licked as well so all right guys good to see you see you later we never we never asked knuckles about ra well how was the run-in with ra was fine you know he he was on good behavior with me uh which was nice and um yeah he was he was happy to be there he had called me and said you know i'm thinking of coming up i'm thinking of coming up i said if you you haven't seen this atmosphere yet you gotta check it out you don't you don't want to miss it and he did his credit he come up and and got a taste of it was pretty might still be there we know we're gonna talk to him in a couple minutes here yeah he cost him the game he sat in cornway a seat and then that was the end of it yeah if he tries to if he texts you again that he's coming back up say no not happen i've already deleted him in my content good all right knuckles have a great one all right guys thanks buddy what a guy what a guy awesome had him come on and yeah i mean i actually forgot i was gonna ask him 86 or 93 the year the canadians i think they won 12 games in overtime but i looked it up quick it was 93 so um let's see if the if the habs can get can get through we got a great one and what's that chelios's first year to 93 or was it was on the 86 he was on 85 i don't think he was on the 93 team i think he was already in chicago then hey one of the all-time best nicknames dude knuckles knuckles nylan and and i love how he just had to throw out i really wish i was with you at houston's biz it might all be the same thing i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know all gone differently those those irish travelers who disappeared oh they wouldn't even fucking started shit shit 70 at that time he would have been what 74 how long no he's 68 or 60 68 so he would have been 64 at the time and still wanted to smoke what an animal oh yeah what do you mean about when when i went down with the travelers it was like four years ago right when was that last year was it buddy hey chicklets world things happen like it seems like 10 years ago and you know it was like the first round of this playoff sometime you have cte um definitely oh god yeah i think we all do wow i'll tell you who doesn't have cte thank god not a thing to joke about uh mitch marner we are watching a just classic fashion um we are watching greatness and and i biz is going for the jersey he's going for the jersey and the vegas golden knights boys they are moving on um they they continued their streak of when it's 2-2 and they win game five they they just end series boys they end series in game six and they just crushed anaheim and it started off i gotta say i think it's a top 10 and maybe even higher goal in the history of the playoffs now i know it was to win a series it wasn't overtime like the eisman off the crossbar and against the blues and and you know lemieux's goal you think of against the north stars but that move between the legs and then just the dominance of vegas thereafter they win 5-1 biz what did you think watching that i mean a significant goal because it it just eased them off and it was quick it was quick right happened early i mean just a great heads-up play all the way from the defensive zone off the dump in a great little like uh we call them dink plays like just the defenseman just you know he felt the pressure yeah it was theodore who buddy he's been who he's been their best player right other maybe other than mitch uh just putting me on ice time he's had to lug and and do everything that he's doing offensively but he gets it to carlson and then the hockey iq on mitch to know that he's like i'm stretching i'm gonna i think he caught lacombe sleeping a little bit who was kind of getting involved in the rush on the other side of the ice when it originally got dumped in but just the the breakaway speed to kind of keep him on the back hip uh to know that where he had the body position and then to to know that fucking dostell's fucking on the other side of the net and then boom between the legs like i mean that and then also the shorthanded assists in that period oh that was that was even smoother i felt like he's just back and forth east to west and it's like i got howden the king he's got three shorthanded goals already how yeah so i think that as far as monarchs since we're on him uh very that's when he's at his best shorthanded no like when he's cutting in in the middle like that even though that's when he's like when he was doing that in toronto like that's when he's him when when the other teams on the power play and they have a forward playing defense he is licking his chops to put them in a blender you've seen it in both series twice well so now he's got four primary shorthanded assists in this playoff runs through two series which throughout the course of history i think that wayne gretzky is a name that's done it and there's like two other guys that have done that uh i'm sure g will find those names so as far as like shutting up the haters like me oh i mean we've taken a lot of l's this playoffs and on this podcast throughout the history i think no bigger l than than me saying that he's not a 12 million dollar player that he's not a playoff performer and right now i would say it's safe to say that he's the leader for the i don't want to hear i don't want to hear any of this nonsense oh they played against utah and anaheim couple unexperienced offensive teams where fuck off we're not we're not even going there with the negativity and taking anything away from what he's doing right now he's shutting everybody up does he have a better team around him is it a way better fit for him is there less pressure absolutely but hey he's taking this opportunity he's running with it and he's having the best playoff of his career so far and i tell you what boys the vegas golden knights have something cooking and i think that the colorado avalanche and their fans not the players not the team but the fan base online i said coin flip the other night on television and they're like coin flip coin flip my ass like we're gonna five or six i okay i think that the vegas golden knights in seven games will beat the colorado avalanche so we're gonna get into the series we have tj oshi coming on in a couple minutes i'm with you though i'm not ready to pick vegas i'm shocked at how confident avs fans are maybe not confident because why wouldn't they be with what they've done all season long but i feel like they're they're they're not even like looking at vegas as a threat whereas when you have car is wounded my car is wounded that's the biggest part but the way carter hart's playing and vegas is just i'll tell you what we'll get into this in a sec gary lawless saying that they aren't cutthroat and that they aren't villains is the craziest thing that's been said in this year's playoffs this team they are it's us against the world fuck everyone else they don't care now if stone can come back then it's an even that it's an even bigger worry for abs fans but i i'm trying to find i put up a poll um who's winning the west colorado vegas 81.2 said vegas i'm said to colorado excuse me like i just don't see it i'll say 60 40 but i don't see how that i think the hockey public is it that they hate vegas or they're they're just not that confident i think they hate vegas i think we've been talking about colorado colorado colorado so everybody expects it and you know they've they've got through to here where nine games it's taken them right vegas has gone to six both times i think that people are probably a little concerned about stone's health um is there anybody else significant out for for the golden knights i know mcnab's coming back but they're not really other than stone if he ends up coming back which is huge are not dealing with any type of significant injury i like their special team teams are dialed in their penalty kill is incredible i think that they're even on their penalty kill they've scored they've scored just as many goals as they've let up uh and and i think that they can play either way they can play any any way you want and they go they got a very deep lineup along with all the acquisitions they made so if i'm colorado i'm one not taking them lightly i think that this is for sure going seven games and the longer the longer this series goes the better off it is for vegas 100 percent big they're stronger like you look at you look at the difference between when um vegas went up was a three nothing last game and then when montreal went up three nothing like they they just know how to close out a game they get the key saves they get the you know smart plays little dump ins like they are a team that's built for the playoffs they're big they're mean they play hard they want it to go to seven they're built for it to go to seven i think if you're colorado you're you're you're a little naive if you think that this is going to be a cakewalk over to to the stanley cup finals because this team is ready to roll ready to roll ready to roll as stew feiner would say but going back to the mitch marner goal i was re-watching again and the announcer it was such a good goal the announcer called him mitchell which i've never heard you call him mitchell mitchell to get your the full mitchell on a goal like for the announcer to think of that that's how you know but yeah man this team like they know how to play they know how to play in playoffs and i sure as hell wouldn't want to play them i don't think the colorado players are like the fans and saying oh this is going to be a cakewalk i think the players know they were licking their chops at potentially getting anaheim the fact that they got vegas now they're like we're fucking in one man they got winners on that back in theodore mcnab like you you i mean look at the like hannifin michael and hannifin just won a gold medal and uh last thing i'll say before we bring ocean is we've got we've had a lot of hashtags a lot of people jumping on the vegas train obviously bluntman's been a huge uh a part of this uh dave portnoy put a massive future on them winning it which i would consider doing i would like to know the cons my odds for mitch marner and also what the odds are for vegas winning it i might sprinkle a little bit on that and i'm not a huge gambling man although i'll head over to draft kings and and drop a little bit we've had a lot of people jump on the vegas train and have the knights at the round table hashtag we've had the the itchy for mitchy i got my own we're going tanning for torts that fucking tan that he is rocking right now but he's like he's been there for six weeks buddy but he's left outside they're they're 15 four and one since tortorella replaced cassidy but let's get into the post game the the gary betman fucking hammered down on the golden knights guys guys i gotta i gotta jump in here actually so one of our friends at barstool was pretty upset with uh the the penalty given to the vegas golden knights and he recorded a video when he wanted to send it to you guys so i'll play it right now better be bloody hey wick hey biz hey yandel this is the old coach gruden here i just had to reach out to you guys because tortorella is my guy he was a world champion coach of the lightning now he's obviously showing his stuff again in vegas but when i find out he gets fined a hundred grand and they lose a second round pick for him not living up to his media responsibilities that's a bunch of bullshit and i want to know what you guys are saying about that i hope they appeal it this better be resolved that's just my opinion but i gotta hear from you guys what do you what do you think of this man i started a go fund me for torts let let's get into this quick and then we'll have o'shawn we'll get his opinion after i biz i gotta say i disagree with you a little bit it sounds like i disagree with you yeah you guys were disgusted that this was even a big deal um no buddy not disgusted not disgusted go ahead go ahead okay i i'm sorry you were disgusted i believe with the punishment i i should have i should have worded that correctly i agree the punishment it was a punishment it was it was aggressive i was surprised by it now we found out after they'd been warned a couple times i don't they didn't say for what but there'd been some issues with them not having players available but i'll say torts not doing media himself they didn't open the room up it just made no sense to me it made i was so confused by it the series is over you moved on you crushed him in game six everything is good apparently it was some sort of uh protest to to to mention how disgusted they were about the mcnab suspension okay the media didn't suspend mcnab it was it wasn't media members that got called for the one game suspension it was and you won the game they won i just i don't get i don't get why they did it i and i don't want to hear about curfew and they had to get out of there in time they had plenty of time it made no sense to me and maybe it is like us against the world and vegas this is what they do and i'm we don't care if everyone hates us but i had no clue why it happened it didn't make sense and i do i do feel for media guys as well like dude you're trying to you're trying to get quotes you're going on to the conference final you're playing the president's trophies winners you just had a big game marner's in in the front running with mckinnon now they're facing off for the smite why not talk to the media i i don't get it i don't understand it and people who were like vegas fans like no no it doesn't matter it's like it kind of does matter you need you could say what you want about media members you can dislike certain media members god knows people can't stand some of us or all of us but you got to talk to the media after a series is over i actually wouldn't have cared as much if the series was still going on all right whatever you don't want to talk you just lost the tough game you just won the series 5-1 on the road so to me it was just unnecessary and it was stupid yeah i mean this there's a lot to unpack here right now i don't know if if torts is one of those guys that's calculated enough to know that it was going to like turn into this and also being used i feel like this is something that's being used to galvanize the group ahead of this series against colorado do you guys think i'm fucking crazy for thinking that i don't think they need it yeah no i don't think i don't think i think that they're the bad boys of the nhl right now that's a fucking double double fucking barrel to the media it also might be part of him like he's even said like oh the fucking narrative around mitch marner like he's stuck up for mitch marner now already towards the media i feel this is kind of like a fuck you to everybody we're the bad boys of the nhl we're cutthroat we don't give a fuck suck my dick that's kind of how i feel like it's it's going right now and as far as like i said that it's a bit ridiculous how big of a deal it was because listen they want to get home they want to get out of here it wasn't stupid to do and is it disrespectful to all the media members who like want a story after the game absolutely and being a member of the media i do feel sorry for those people but i also say that he's now giving you a way bigger story to write like which is to me that the fact that they're going full villain mode like look at the top four teams now like we're gonna get montreal they've been villain mode since they got in the nhl i know but buddy but it's all eyes on them right now they got the mitch marner storyline they got the carter hart storyline they got they got torts in there now with the with the best hand like so they and on top of like them firing their coach eight games of four playoffs that won a stanley cup with them that they're now cock blocking from going to another team i just feel like they're embracing it all and and it and it's a perfect little wrinkle in all of this ahead of this david versus goliath so to speak series that everybody thinks already been won by colorado i fucking love this if anything they they've given the media more to talk about and more ammunition for them to write about that was maybe his that was his play you think i'm actually going to help the media out by having more to talk about than that boring 5-1 win besides the marner goal and assist and people think like oh what a self this is one thing that people think oh what a selfish move by making this all about torts and all this bullshit rather than celebrating a series win and then just giving the media what they deserve from for showing up and moving on where i'm i don't know man this seems like a pretty good opportunity where you are you're you're you're you're the team that's the underdog going into the series Get everybody at practice and fuck everybody on the outside. Fuck them all. Fuck the people that doubted you, Mitch. Fuck the people that are coming at you online for your fucking business and so on and so forth. It's us against the world right now. Fuck them. That's what I think that, and maybe I'm giving John Tutterella with that tan way too much credit, but I'll tell you what I'm hashtagging tan for torts. I'm on board. I'm rooting for fucking Vegas, Vegas and seven bitches. Let's bring on TJ. Oh, she see what he thinks. Yeah, we're going to bring them on. Just just quickly. Great rant. It was a second round pick. I mean, that's crazy. Shea Weber, Patrice Bergeron, Lane Hudson. There are some incredible second round picks out there. You never know. Obviously, there's more guys who never make it, but like that's a big deal. And people have said maybe they'll get it back if they go to the league hat in hand and they're saying we apologize. Now, they still need to let Cassidy talk to the fucking Oilers and the Kings. No, I they are. They are straight up villains. And maybe that's Gary Lawless has them locked up in his basement right now. I texted Gary. What's going before the punishment? Okay, what happened last night? What is this? Let me ask some sources. We never heard back from him. He was spending time with his daughters that day. So, you know, I know Gary was busy, but, you know, Gary loved this move deep down. He's a media guy. He still would have said, I don't need any quotes. Fuck them all. Fuck them all. We're the Golden Knights. But I say something that. It's maybe a little more happy to talk about. A little more enjoyable to talk about is athletic brewing, guys. The athletic brewing company and these non-alcoholic brews are incredible. Great tasting, award winning, non-alcoholic beer. No compromises on flavor and no consequences later for enjoying the celebration. This is business drink. This is a full flavor, non-alcoholic beer that never feels out of place. Fit for all times. 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We're doing great. Thanks for coming on. I think before we get into the series, what was your opinion on how it all went down? Did it make sense to you? Do you agree with us? I know you were online listening to Biz rant. Yeah. So when I first heard it, my first thought. Was along with Biz, where I was like, man, I love that. Like, he's closing the room. It's all about us. Like, as a player, you'd be like, let's go. Like, they probably did walk them all. So that was my first thought. I have heard that it was a lot simpler than that, and that we're all making a massive deal out of it that it had to do with getting home. And so, you know, I don't want to go too deep. I don't want to go too deep into it, you know, because I obviously got buddies, but what I think for making it a lot bigger deal than it is, I think they should absolutely get the second round draft pick back. That's like, yeah, that's insane. That was like, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. The fine. I mean, you know, I don't know if, like, cords pays for that or not. No, Bill Foley front wipes down and hands it into the office. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, you know, whatever. That's a lot of money. But like I said, that's. That's like, I don't know. That's like the future. You know what they should do? They should give them back the second rounder and tack on another 50 grand and give it to all the media members to go have a night out in the town. Yeah. That didn't get the interview. And once again, to me, they got a way better story to write and that that's the Vegas Golden Knights are the villains of the National Hockey League. And I know you got buddies on that team, Osh, but are they not the villains? Yeah, I think they are the villains, but I think, I mean, I'm sure the media would love this. I just have a hundred thousand dollars. What an idea. First, hold on a second. How do we get in this thing? Yeah. I mean, I'm media now. Yeah. Well, let R.A. Throw the party, too. I will. I will say, too, though, I'm not sure if you were talking about it, but I or or or biz, if it was you. But I don't think Torch is the kind of guy that wants the attention. I think he likes to play to go like on the ice. He obviously has like, you know, his a lot of his interviews are viral because. He's just so blunt and direct. But I personally, like, I don't think he wants like a big all the big stories around the team. I think he would rather just get on the ice and play a little bit more old school like that. But I definitely could be wrong. Well, he's got to be smarter than to, like, not know that that's going to turn into a story. I was just going to say it might it. We have it might have not even been his call. That could have come from up top. Even if the disgust of the suspension was the main reason for this, where Osh is saying. There's a chance it was just get out of town. It could have been like McCrimmon or like somebody else like, hey, don't talk to him. Like, I don't know. I don't know if it was just him, but they sent out Howden and Marner for like ten minutes. I wonder if it's the question about me asking Mitch about about why Torts has a better tan than Chris Chalios after six weeks in Vegas that might have set him off for him to be like, we're fucking out of here. These guys are clowns in the media world. You think that that could have been it for sure? Sorry, Torts, but if you're the player like you don't care about the fine, obviously, even if a player gets fined, it's that second rounder and we all know how how Vegas is like they could use that next year for a trade to bring in a guy to both. Matthews for. Well, I think they need all the picks they can, right? Like because they're they're aggressive every year. Second round pick. That's a potential trade target. Or I mean, it could be a draft pick or whatever, but no, they don't even they don't even go to the draft. They don't. They don't. After the after the way they came in the league, they're set for 10 years. So let's not get into the weeds about that bullshit. What do you feel and how do you feel about Vegas's play and where they're trending? And people are a little bit nervous about them during the pillow fight division during the regular season. Are they even going to make playoffs? What do you make of their game right now and how dangerous are they and can they beat Colorado? So I think they're trending exactly how they should be. I think they needed Mitch. Marner to play like this in order to really get the job done. They're not quite as fast as some of the other teams. I think they can. They can play fast, which is different than straight speed. But I think they're going to need Mitch Marner. They're going to need him to be a superstar against Colorado. They're going to need to be healthy. I don't know where Stone's at, how he's feeling overall. So. Like you have to be healthy against Colorado. I think Minnesota had a phenomenal roster. They had. They backed out and Brodine out and you just can't, you can't do it. So, I mean, my gut tells me that Colorado is the heavy favorite. I think in the entire, the rest of the playoffs remaining, I guess, five teams right now will be four. But if Mitch Marner plays how we saw him there in that last series. Like Colorado show that they can get scored on. Minnesota was scoring goals on him at certain times. But they're going to need Stone healthy. He's going to need some big goals. Some of those big turnovers that he creates into odd band rushes, those power play goals around the net. So I think a lot is going to rely on that. He could, he could give wedgie some fits. I mean, Blackwood's a taller goalie, but like, like that's going to matter that net front presence and how good he is around the blue paint below the goal line, like helping with the kill as ugly as it looks. I mean, he is such an effective player. Have you ever seen a guy's. Like such an ugly player be so effective in the Mark Stone. No. Okay. And I've also never seen a worse knob in the history. It's crazy. I don't even get it. Well, besides business underneath his, uh, belly button, like covered wagon. Oh, I'm glad, um, you were on right now for a couple of different reasons, but one is the stone. And it, I think it's pretty obvious to everyone. It's his back. And as a guy who, you know, he had to retire because you're back. I was on with our friend from Barstow. old Liam Blutman he's a diehard Golden Knights fan I went on his spaces or his live stream and he was asking me like we were talking about Stone and with the back it's not something that Toradol can really fix or is it like if if if say he's like all right this could be it on my career which has been sort of discussed like if he can come back and play are we even going to see him again after this is this something you can even shoot up or it's not it's not even possible with like the back control and everything the way it does uh I don't know exactly like what yeah what his history is I have a little bit of an idea because he's actually the one that referred me to the guy that got me my stem cell injections where I can sit like this and not have to like be fidgeting around right now so he helped me out a ton with that referral um but the the back you can't it's not something you can shoot up you can't numb it and just all of a sudden like play through it it's not something you can shoot up you can't numb it and just all of a sudden like play through it first of all like I numb my hand for my last the last game I played because my hand was broken and I couldn't even feel my fingers so then you can't feel your stick imagine your back like yeah you numb that your whole leg goes numb you can't skate so or if you know you put too much in there or whatever um the back there's just nothing you can do when when when the nerve roots when the inflammation gets in there when those things get pinched off there's no way to fight through it I there's been times where I've tried so hard just to like get to the bathroom or whatever and it hurts so bad that all of a sudden it feels like you're on fire it feels like someone's pouring lava like inside your body so you can't you can't go that but it is something where you get that inflammation out the alignment's right you restabilize the core all of a sudden it was like two weeks ago like nothing happened right if you get everything firing correctly and everything's going where it should and you're you know the the discs are where they should there's enough room for the nerve roots and and you're stabilized then you're you're good to go but is there even more worry because I mean we all watch the playoffs and everyone's getting cross-checked in the back every like the in front of the nets a war with guys so is there more like where the trainer might be like okay you have to be 100 to come back with this just because of how much wear and tear you're taking during the playoffs yeah but I mean you can you can push it you know you might not make it through the whole series but you know you get down to nothing or something and be like hey we come back let's try to get two or three in here give ourselves a chance like you can do that uh I've always found the cross-checks weren't the issue like the like the ground and pound wasn't necessarily the issue it was you know you you hit someone or you move a certain way and maybe your pelvis shifts a tad right and then you feel like you're getting a little sore you push it um it's amazing and uh a lot of mine came actually on the back check because you almost like you're skating harder than you then you should really I don't know then maybe you because you want you're trying to stop the other team from scoring a goal um which I think he was coming back right on yeah it was in both instances yeah there's I I gotta get the video we were playing against the Texas Stars and I was going hard on a back check and it like yeah you're literally feel like somebody shot you from the top yeah I'm not gonna lie I'm not gonna lie I'm not gonna lie I'm not gonna lie and going back to what you said you first of all the nerve goes and then that's the direct pain and then everything around it as far as the muscles they seize up because they're protecting the nerve right so yeah it just like you said it's it's an indescribable pain when that happened to me I tried to push through it like because I had to continue to shift I couldn't just bail on the shift so I'm in the d-zone like straight up trying to act like like pray to god this d-man doesn't work on me like Lane Hudson I'd be like oh and then finally we got out of the zone down the tunnel and then for like two weeks I'm like legs up on the bed like I feel like I want to you're like majorly majorly depressed because of the amount of pain you're in so every time I've seen him kind of oh and keel over and you could tell the amount of pain he in pain he's in I'm like that has to be back and it has to be like a pinched nerve or something yeah it's the I was in between that or like a groin or something like that and then I was like oh my god I'm like oh my god I'm like oh my god I'm like oh my god I'm like oh my god I'm like oh my god I'm like oh my god I'm like oh my god something just because it seemed like he was leaning to one side but when you go up like that that's typically the you know the response from for a back but it's it's just it's one of those things you just unless it's good you just can't grind through it but you could take one you could take one shift and it'll just go again if it's not prepared if it's not ready to play an NHL game you just you can't do it I mean there's been good weeks where I that I've had I'm like man I feel good maybe I should start working out and then I'm like oh my god I'm like oh my god I'm like oh and I like you know get in the gym twice do almost zero weight and then the day three I'm like oh never mind like nope again and so like it's it's just one of those things where it just takes over the whole body and no matter how how high your pain tolerance is your brain will not let you grind through something like that in the other times where if you're skating just by yourself in a practice where you know where you're going you're controlled your your body's control but during a game you don't know right you're making different turns so is there times during like a practice where you're skating you're like oh I could play but then once a game starts you're like oh shit no chance uh yeah early for me it was like that at the end I could I could tell when it was going um you know I think the last time my back went out we were on a back-to-back I don't know Carolina we were going to Tampa and me and John Carlson go through security and it's like a long walk out on the runway to get to the to the uh plane and he was just asking me how I was doing so obviously you know I was in and out of the lineup quite a bit um at this point and I was like dude I feel like it's gonna go like I'm gonna play try to play tomorrow but I think it's going or no we're heading no sorry we were heading to Carolina and sure enough I'm stretching out the hamstrings did all my warm-up did all my core literally just bent over to do like a couple extra like little toe touches back goes out don't even make it to warm-ups so it wasn't even it wasn't like 24 hours later yeah you just you could do it like a couple extra like little toe touches and then you're like oh my god you just feel it coming um and I'm sure he's probably pretty dialed on everything that he you know he's been working so hard through all this stuff for so long that I'm sure he knows when he's yeah because actually it happened I think it was uh was it well maybe it was in March against Pittsburgh and I think he was back like two weeks later maybe a little bit less than two weeks later it happened against Pitt it was actually on our broadcast so like you mentioned like he's been through it so many times it seems now where they kind of know the protocol in order to reset it so I would not be shocked if we saw him to open up the series I definitely wouldn't be shocked if I we saw him halfway through this series against Colorado I'm asking you about more gameplay in hockey like you want to talk Colorado a little bit what about Carolina have you ever been in a situation where you've had this much downtime between series like have you ever experienced that in your entire career no I haven't and honestly I've been I've been down on Carolina this whole time because I'm like I feel like it's going to be a lot of fun I've been down on Carolina this whole time because I'm like I feel like it's going to be the same story and I don't I don't with the secondary scoring they have that second line I think that's something that they've been missing in years past where like Ajo was you know that top line was getting all the points um and I mean I hate Carolina I just I just I've had so many bad experiences everybody I don't get it well hold on hold on they they the Fogle push me from behind I shattered my collarbone into four in like game game four of the series when we were back to back I leave the series we lose in seven I was pretty upset about that so that kind of sticks around um really probably mostly just that maybe it's just one guy that I'm mad at the locker room that is not even on the worst locker room's terrible um and honestly the x-ray machine if you ever if you ever bruise machine shatter shatter your collarbone the x-ray machine is so far away and you have to walk it and uh yeah brutal but they've kind of won me over when I broke my jaw in Carolina the dentist for the team walked in he goes oh god no no and I was like I think I don't need that for the doctor I actually I used that x-ray machine there when I fucked up my knee I don't know if you guys that's that's my torn ACL right there there it is on the on the left side yeah that's a good one we're missing some skin on that x-ray I guess you don't see skin on it doesn't detect skin it just does like the bone and the girth uh it's actually the longest modern day break between series so they won May 9th in the fourth game against Philly it'll be May 21st on uh Thursday when they kick it off against Montreal Buffalo winner it's crazy although I think that the when we've talked about this the way that they practice and and rod I don't they're not fucking around zero zero worry for me they're in the baza and we have to talk more Colorado Vegas but I think I'm picking Carolina in that series like I this is this is the year they get out of the east but oh back to Vegas and Colorado more importantly so Malinsky's practiced um he's been back full-time practice player so he's ready to go it looks like now Burns is banged up Leckanen hasn't skated the last two and Makar's obviously injured so that to me is the biggest worry and Makar you can just tell like physically he's getting little bumps and you you know you could tell like something's wrong he's going to the bench Is that the biggest worry for you on stopping Colorado from moving on is the McCarthy? injury whatever it is yeah yeah that's probably the biggest worry I'd say um obviously we all know Bernsie and how valuable he is and how good he is with the puck and finding guys for high tips and all that stuff um McCart I will say the one thing if you're able to play through in playoffs and you have a couple days off it's not like the regular season where you're going in the morning and you got three four hours then you go home in playoffs you're doing treatment all day long like especially on the road you're it's like 15 hours of like constant you know what I mean so you can heal a lot quicker I think this break's probably gonna be good for him because if he was playing as it was and now he gets this a little bit of a break and then they they start up um I'm not too worried about him and he did look different but he still is an impact player yeah you know what I mean even with whatever he's dealing with so I still got Colorado high up there that's that's definitely the one thing that I'm worried about and I'm worried about one worry um Vegas any no matter who it is Carolina uh like Minnesota um Vegas to to beat Colorado you just have to be at your absolute best right now you you have to you have to have your best game everyone has to be all in you need your star players you know selling out to block shots you need your star players scoring big goals you need depth scoring you need goaltending um they're they're just the way that they attack the game is is I think different than anyone else in the league right now and down down three one in that game five against Minnesota late they win I guess the biggest part of finishing that off then was my car and you know they don't have to do the game six they're not going back to mini and then like you said it's treatment all day for extra time compared to if that series had kept going I said before Anaheim uh Vegas that if Carlson could maybe outplay Eichel that that would give them their best chance and and now it just moves on to the next game so I think it's going to be moves on to McKinnon and Eichel right and and obviously Eichel got the the better of them in the gold medal game but that to me is like the matchup I'm looking at because Eichel's been great it's not it's not like Makar where you have you haven't seen the highlight real plays but he's still 15 points in 12 games so when you look at him versus McKinnon how do you see them matching up like McKinnon's more explosive but Eichel he can skate with him it just looks different and what Jack does defensively yeah so what I always look for for Jack is his skating if he's like gets the puck and he attacks and he actually tries to like one-on-one guys which he should he can he's big enough he's skilled enough he's got this massive reach so if he's attacking people I'm like oh gosh like look out like that's a different Jack Eichel if he if he continuously pulls into the zone and pulls up and is only looking to pass then I get a little bit worried because when you got a guy like Jack Eichel attacking you every the all the guys on the ice have to somewhat pay attention and almost like try to help out the same thing when McKinnon's come down the ice like I talked to our defenseman in Washington like John Carlson even I was like what like what happens when he's coming he's like you just retreat like just panic just just try to contain him so that someone can come help so if if Jack attacks the game like really absolutely attacks he at least once a game twice a game he should do like that little like stutter step drive wide use his body and drive to the to the net run over the goalie if you have to but like it just it creates fear in the other team and then now they're worried about that instead of just their jobs what they have to do I'm picking up trailers um and so that's that's my that's the one thing I look for for Jack like if he's attacking like that like there's no one else built like him that can do what he does in the league I always think of the clip when I think it at the outdoor game when Makar was coming down on him and he was just going oh god oh god oh god oh god and that's one of the best like demon you know in the last 15 20 years but McKinnon or Makar no McKinnon oh yeah right yeah yeah you said Makar but I I know I couldn't remember yeah both of them when they're full tilt you're screwed yeah but even you you talked about the depth scoring in um in Carolina with their second line going like with Vegas Howden scoring Dorothea like these guys they're finding their niche right now they're scoring you know five on five five on four four on five like they're finding ways to score no matter what the situation is yeah and that's what you need right once you get away from Makar get away from uh get away from Taves like that those are the times those are the matchups you got to try to take advantage not no disrespect to you know both sides on the you know the the last pairing or the last two pairs but those are the times you got to take advantage of those guys you got to take advantage of those guys you got to because the other guys are just so smart and so good um Howden's been awesome I got to see him uh in Utah and man like he's just kind of always in the mix and always in the right spot and you kind of need those guys scoring those big goals right at the end of the year when someone wins the cup you kind of look back and yeah that whoever wins the the con smite you know everyone you know the big dogs are usually the big dogs if you're going to win the cup but I remember looking back and I remember talking to everyone talked about Devante Smith Pelly Brett Connolly um Lars Eller scoring the game winner you know what I mean like you will need those guys um and I think that they've been great I think they'll be here in this series uh I just I'll keep going to to Mitch Marner and how he's playing and how Jack Eichel's playing personally um because there is so much star power on the other side that you got to kind of try to match that and hope that some of your depth can take over play that Howden made on um uh on the shorthand ago when Marner came in it reminded me of something that you would have done where he went to the net like trying to be an option as like a tip or whatever and then busted his ass wide to get open for a one time it was just like a little he took two hard strides to get open just a great hockey IQ knowing that a forward I forget who the four I think it was Kalorn like Kalorn yeah knew a forward was there and like just found that open area it was just such a hockey IQ play that I think it was Kalorn I think it was Kalorn play yeah and I love that's like one of those like little things within a game that's why like something about summer hockey I love too because you know obviously guys aren't trying this hard but everyone's everyone knows you're trying to like just it's all offense and all whatever but you find these little like things to do to try to get open and that was actually one thing where like obviously in summer hockey like guys aren't gonna like stick with their back check but if the game gets intense guys start back checking and it's almost like the Michael Jordan when he pushes off against in was it in Utah maybe we're like that same thing that he can give a couple strides and then let him go by you and find little soft areas but I love high IQ plays like that that's why my favorite players in the game aren't necessarily like the um like the most flashiest or best goal scorers like I just I absolutely loved the really smart guys that's I was I mean I'll say it until I die I was so fortunate to play with Backy Nick Backstrom where like his mom and dad were like oh my god I'm gonna play with him I'm gonna play with him I was just like and I tried so hard to like you know think how he would think I didn't get there but that's because I tried and tried to see what he was doing that's why I was able to score so many goals in Washington compared to St. Louis one thing that you said when you first hopped on that I agree with is you said that like maybe Vegas isn't the fastest team and obviously in this series they're going to be outmatched speed wise but they play fast I think from a from a hockey smarts perspective they let the puck do the work and they're going to be outmatched and I think that that's one thing that Colorado really has to be aware of because they get horny and excited and get their D joining in the rush and I felt like Anaheim was doing that almost too much considering they were leaning so much on Jackson Lacombe too where he'd be up in the play where like his winger would be like all right I'm taking off and the minute it was turned over it was gone the other way so if Colorado's not smart they can get caught and and uh and and they could end up losing the series oh hello one of the first things that I thought was going to happen first one of the first things you learn as a kid and I'm sure oh you teach it I'm sure wit teaches the puck moves faster than the player so like and they do a really good job at that yeah and that's why I love playing with backy and and when we got to uh I think once labby became the coach he's very analytical only one like slower players play faster players think then that would speed them up but really because you move on the same level right because you're the same speed me and nick you weren't the fastest players um but we can move the puck and so the fact that like you said biz the puck kind of does the work but you're moving on the same level and so it looks like you're fast because the puck can zigzag through everyone and you can do little switch plays and cross um that was always hard at the end of my career because I always play with a bunch of younger and faster guys typically and I would get the puck make a nice like little you know body position play look up and the guys would just be gone oh my gosh I gotta like flip it or neutral zone just to get it up there um but yeah so biz that's what you were saying like the the puck the puck does the work because the guys are all at similar speed and they're smart enough to get to open areas um which is much different than anaheim where like some of the they like they just get the pocket they're burn a lot of it just they're burning right they're skating and that's why it looks fast at some point though you know if it doesn't work and you're going balls out like that it creates a turnover Now everyone's going fast this week. way the puck's coming back this way you can really create a lot of offense off of that like would is is william carlson considered a fast player no i mean i think he's a decent skate i think he's just good good all around yeah yeah like but like mitch marler i would say that he's not really known for his speed and i think that that that that breakaway goal the other game is exactly like like he's talking about it they know they're nowhere guys are cheating and where they can expose let's spread each other out and let the puck do the work and that was a prime example of it so if i'm colorado considering how active and and much they have their d involved especially with mccarr or malinsky um is there anybody on their third pairing who i i mean burns i guess does to a certain degree but manson jumps up too like he's afraid to jump off i would just i would tend to i know what's a positive about their game i would just tend to i think that this series is going to be more like the la series than it would be then the minnesota series as far as high score and and they have to vegas has to just be so physical with them like i eat them talk about movement of the puck and speed like colorado is not an overly physical team i i don't consider them that way and vegas can like barbachev's gonna have to have a huge series you're gonna need to see him running around and and like even anderson on d like he'll throw the occasional big hit that that to me if they can't if they can't physically like be all over colorado then i i'm picking colorado nonetheless that's where they're gonna need landy to be landy the trushkin has not been anywhere near where he was when they had their last run uh cadre was a little better towards the back half of that second round but they need like vintage fucking cadre being a savage and then uh nelson nelson's kind of been and they gotta have the these guys have to be their best players like they got weapons and they got guys but they gotta play like them like dorafiev's being way more of an impact than than nelson or cadre or um i know you gotta run um espn has this series will you be in the studio or on on site what's your are you done for the year i'm done for the conference finals i'm gonna swoop back in for the finals um i don't think i'll be doing like studio or the games i think it might just be something else um you know like scott van pelt or you know some other games i don't think i'll be doing like other things but um yeah i got i'm almost almost through my my contract and my days i do want to say uh about vegas um and i talked about this with with doubter at some point over the last i don't know he's so great he's so great i just actually just saw him his uh anyways uh but i i we were talking about it maybe a month ago and i was like man or it was after the utah the utah game that i did i think it was game four and i was like i feel like you guys have a little bit of a feeling of just kind of the way you guys play of of kind of us in 2018 i don't want to keep referring to myself but one thing we did against vegas that we really wanted to do that i think vegas now should do against colorado is just the offensive zone cycles of like not taking that shot until you're like good and ready and it's a high quality shot because like how how pissed is mckinnon gonna get if he's in the d zone half the game over half the game like he doesn't play not really that's how hitch wanted you guys to play in st louis don't throw it away right uh no hitch wanted to shoot everything and not stick handle oh i thought it was all about the cycle with him my apologies he didn't know he didn't love the cycle he loved he loved the four check like the four check was his his big thing um but uh we did that against vegas and i feel like they ran through everyone in the west and they're i think the one every series like four one or whatever it was um and we just wear them down wear them down and wear them down and like yeah physically but like just made them play defense and just constantly do it and that's i think that's vegas's best chance i talked to the doubter about that uh a couple weeks ago a month ago and i have noticed i don't know if i'm not saying he like went to the team and and told him this but i have noticed when they're at their best they have these shifts where like they start getting got forwards changing in the middle of the shift while they're still buzzing in the in the ozone it might not score there but it comes out and then they come back in and get a big goal and they got and they got some big guys in that bottom six like that's cole smith they got doubter who knows what he's doing colas are uh sizzins like who else do they got in the bottom six that are just big huge mutants well they need them too i'm at the start of the at the start of the playoffs dying doubters line was playing like under 10 minutes averaging a night and then i think they got a little more trust from torts doubters obviously really good in the face-off circle or typically is and uh and they've been playing a lot of good games and they've been playing a lot of good games and they've been playing a lot of good games and they've been playing a lot more i think he's earning the trust and that the doubter had in washington that he can shut down other teams top lines it's gonna be interesting oh i'm i can't wait um we appreciate you coming on uh glad you're feeling better you just mentioned you can actually sit and not be fidgeting around our race style the whole time who do you like tonight game seven yeah this like i've never like i've seen series that were like back and forth but like not like the goal scoring on like this year like it's it's like just someone like tighten it up like a little bit no like no i don't know i don't business looser than looser than a super sex box that series i so i don't know these are the two teams like i i think we all know what colorado is we know what vegas is we know what we know what carolina is like i don't know what what these two teams are there's just no either distance summer hockey i know but i you know what man i like i really want buffalo to like just for like the city of buffalo and just the buzz like so like i kind of want buffalo to make it um but montreal's are in a lot of respect for me those young guys talk to uh saint louis uh before one of the games in tampa and uh i think they're doing some some really amazing things over there so i think it's a win-win situation probably going to be nine to four or something tonight all right we appreciate it buddy talk to you uh we'll catch back up in in the next round since you're since you're off from work we're gonna drag you on here again appreciate that see you boys be good thanks guys let's take a minute here and talk about lucy lucy is the obvious choice for the true nicotine pouch connoisseur that's why they're the official nicotine pouch partner of barstool sports and spitting chiclets every other pouch is the same lucy breakers are the ones doing it differently to give you the longest lasting flavor in pouches the espresso one the espresso lucy breaker boys and girls if you're into the the lucy is top notch i mean if you put one in crack it open flavor through the mouth and then have a coffee i'm telling you right now you'll have the best day of your life this is this is a true ryan whitney stamp of approval on the lucy breaker espresso flavor lucy pouches go up to 12 milligrams strength and have a unique shape that feels great lucy is in stores nationwide 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throw it over to r.a's world right now hello everybody welcome to r.a's world here in the spitting chiclets podcast boys the best three words in sports game motherfucking seven buffalo montreal can't wait uh motherfuckers one word no as i said the best three words in sports did i did i not yeah you did you did yeah i think he's wondering if mother doesn't know he doesn't even know the difference between black and white tape but you know i mean we love the playoffs every year but the second round definitely a little bit lackluster you know we had a five game series a six game series where the last game was a close in a sweep so it's nice that we are getting the game seven right here it's a coin flip i mean it's a coin flip it's a coin flip it's a coin flip we got buffalo minus 118 montreal minus 102 i think a draw is probably a good play there plus 290 i would highly like oh yeah you know it says ot yeah it's going ot very likely but so this is a crazy stat this uh sam block at the block spot on twitter wild stat the canadians one and one in the last two games two and two in their last four three and three in their last six four and four in the last eight five and five in the last ten six and six in the last 12 seven and seven in the last 60 years. Merle stole your thunder there already. Oh, did he? I'm kidding. He hit us with that earlier. Although he stopped, I think, at 4-4. I don't think he went up to 8-8. So you outlasted him. He's in jail right now in Sweden. He was creeping on a young soccer practice. I missed that. Can you go over it one more time? Yeah. Wow. But, yeah, both teams only 2-4 at home. Buffalo 5-1 on the road. Habs 5-2 on the road. The same is this. This is a weird stat. First team to be down by multiple goals on the road in a playoff game but end up winning by five-plus goals. So another wacky stat. Boys, great hearing from Knox, man. He's the best. It's like home when I hear him talk. He sounds like my twin. It was great catching up with him up in Montreal. One of my favorites. I think I've known him 33 years now. And the first time I met him, man, he would have every right to punch me in the fucking mouth too because I was being a wise guy to him. Yeah, it was 1993. I don't know if you remember the Dunny Cup. It was a friend of ours, Jimmy Donovan, passed away, and they had a golf tournament in his honor. And it was summer of 93. And, you know, I can't – obviously, you guys see me on the golf course. So I was a volunteer at the course, and I was registering people. And he came in. He had a Canadian's hat on. I was like, yeah, nice hat, you know, being a typical wise-ass boss guy. He's like, yeah, they only won 23 fucking Stanley Cups. I was like, yeah, because they had guys butt-ended Middleton's fucking teeth out. And he goes like, all right, you're a fresh prick, huh? Yeah, you know. So I ran into him on the course a couple times. He was giving me, like, the fist and shit. So whatever, you know, we had beers at the end of the day. Flash forward about a month and a half, two months later, I'm in San Tabio. I sit down. Who's right next to me? But Chris Nyland. He goes, hey, how'd you hit him a couple weeks ago? He goes, oh, yeah, I remember you. The Middleton fan. The fresh prick, right? That was it. It was the event. Like, pal sense. He checked in on me when I was going through my night in the Ratzika a couple years back. And he's a good man. So it was great to have him. Plus, he's got terrific insight. Calls it like he sees it, man. Happy to be all my friends. What's the Middleton incident? Was there, like, a playoff series where, like, he was, like, hit and they didn't call or something? No, just a total nasty butt-ended. You know, top four teeth out. Just, like, blatant butt-end. I think he might have got, you know, the gate for that. I honestly don't remember. Who? Nyland? Yeah, you could pull, like, just a straight-up, like, not like an article. Did I do that? It was just like, you know, I mean, Knuckles was Knuckles when he played. Just straight out took Nifty's teeth. I don't know. He got, I mean, he got penalized for it. But I honestly don't remember if he got suspended. But it was, you know, pretty nasty. But, you know, it was kind of ballsy of me to be mouthing off to him anyways. But like I said, it was good to catch up with him. Oh, just talking about another. So, local legend, Chris O'Sullivan. Keith, you must know Sully, right? Back in the day. That maniac. I know Sully. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was at Montreal, too. Him and PK. They're like Mel Gibson and like Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon. The way they hang out all the time. So, what are you guys doing? I know we got the podcast tonight. The live stream, 7.30, kicking off. What's your take, Keith? What do you got in this one? Real quick. I'm hoping for a 5 or 6-5 overtime game. Honestly, like Osh, too. I'm fine with either team advancing. Obviously, I've been on Montreal's coattail. So, I'll be rooting a little bit more for Montreal. But either team wins will be great. It'll be good for the game. Good for their cities. But I'm just hoping for a good game. Even though Montreal won the game against Tampa with the nine shots. I need a little more action, I think, tonight. R.A., who do you think gives Carolina a bigger fit? You know what? I think it's like the series. I think it's pretty equal. I mean, I already wrote down Carolina in six, regardless of who they play. I just think whichever team survives the series is going to be a little spent. They both had two goaltenders. Dobish has been solid, but he's been a little leaky. And if Freddie Anderson stays healthy the way he's playing, man, I just can't see Carolina losing to either team. I don't think anyone matches up particularly better or worse. I mean, I think Carolina is going to. They beat whoever they play. And while we're at it, I get Colorado in seven as well over Vegas. That should be a great series. So, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Basically, I mentioned Dunn's last week, the smoked meat place. They, like, followed me on Instagram. So, that $800 trip paid off. Oh, fucking rights here. Let's do it. Okay, wow. We're really getting into it. Hey, I'll say, boys, I keep flip-flopping, though, on. Like, originally, I think we were texting in the group chat. We thought that a better matchup would be Montreal, giving Carolina more of a problem. That's what I think. I know, but the more I think about it, like, the size of Buffalo, if they can use it. When Buffalo's using their size, they're dangerous and they're lethal. And we see that in glimpses. And I think it was Nux who was saying it was kind of an embodiment of their season overall, that game, right? They fall three to one early in that game. They're playing like shit. A lot of holes defensively. And it feels like they cleaned things up and they started fucking using their size. So, I don't know, man. Either way, though, I think we're spoiled as far as the storylines is concerned. We have the favorite in Colorado, out west, that everybody knew was going to be here. We got the bad boys. We got this kind of team that everybody seems to hate in Carolina, who now, with Florida out of the picture, it's kind of like, are they destined? Are they actually going to do it? Is it actually believable that they're going to do this? And if they can't, they might never. If they can't, that's what makes me nervous. It's like, you're going to have this young team that's going to get past this second round, either Buffalo or Montreal, and they're just going to be fucking riding on a high where, oh my God, we're already at the conference finals. Like, we're way, either team is way ahead of schedule. So, it's like, you know, will that lay over Carolina? So, either way, the top four is going to be an incredible story. So, I don't really have like a favorite either Montreal or Buffalo. It's going to be unreal, and I can't wait to cover the series. So, R.A., you're kind of, you don't care either? You don't have a feeling? Well, I, financial, you know, I bet Montreal. Actually, I put the play way back in October. I got them at 50 to one, although I did pick Buffalo and Seven on the show, just like based on hockey prognostication, but I'm rooting Montreal, man. You know, 50 to one, it was way back October. I kind of forgot I put it in because I went on the wagon and it popped up. I was like, oh shit. So, yeah. Definitely root for Montreal. And like I said, it's crazy how many people are actually rooting for Montreal around here. I know we've talked about it a few times, but like I said, there's just not that simmering hatred that like, you know, we sort of grew up with like, I did the interview with those crazy Canadian fans the other night. Are they jealous because Buffalo beat out Boston? Oh, maybe. No, it's just the rivalry. The rivalry is not there anymore. For years and years and years, it was like we hated the Habs, we hated the Habs, but we haven't had a playoff series against them in years. It would be back if they ever. Or play each other again. Oh, instantly. Instantly. I think the combo of like, right, the lack of hatred recently and also like Montreal's a fucking awesome team to watch. They're fun. And when you watch that place on TV, man, like I just went up. That's why I went up. I had experience. Well, I had the opportunity. So does Boston think they're big brother right now and they're like, oh, okay, we'll root for the little guy? No, man. I mean, Montreal's way ahead of like where Boston is right now. But that's kind of how it's been, though. I do kind of think that's how it's been for the past like 10 years. Like that. The Habs have sucked. Like they haven't been. They haven't. We haven't cared about them. We haven't thought about them one time. Now they're back. It's like, all right, have your fun. But when we see you in the playoffs in a year or two, we'll hate you as much as we used to. Like the jinx, you know, they used to call it bad. It did a reverse. Like the Bruins didn't beat Montreal in a series like since like 1944. And then finally in 1988, like Cam Neely, man, he owned Patrick Wise. Great as a wire is nearly owned him. They beat him that year. Then they beat him like four out of the next five series. And then. Up until like, you know, like in 2015, the last time they played, the Bruins have basically won, I think, 75 percent of the series with the Canadians, you know, after the Canadians own them for half the century. So, yeah, the rivalry could use a little something. But yeah, I think like people like that game the other night was perfect. Like a new fan. Like I think I I said that on Twitter is like, you know, like not a coach's dream, but like all the score and just, you know, the face wash after the whistle, just like for the for the hockey like newbie. That was a fantastic game, especially like primetime Saturday night. So it was good. Five goals in the first period. Yeah, yeah. That was back to back games or five goals in the first, right? Yes. Sloppy hockey is entertaining hockey. You said like if you're a newbie hockey fan, it kind of reminded me of a tweet that I saw. Can we pull it up? I think it was Rob Perez and he's typically a basketball guy. Oh, yeah. And he he wrote how much he loves hockey, but he does find it difficult to follow the puck, like where the puck is going to go. Now, I posted like, oh, like, should they maybe do an all-in? Yeah. Like an altcast where they have that that whatever you call it, like the box tracer on it, like they used to do. Yeah. Yeah. Like as an altcast or maybe some form of altcast where it's maybe a little bit more easy. It's easier to follow for newbies. Maybe they describe certain things that are happening to dumb it down for the casual fan. I was a little surprised to see the amount of negativity from hockey fans just like shunning them being like, oh, pay attention more. Like, oh, who gives a fuck? Not caring where it's like, oh, well, OK, well, that's not very nice and inviting to people that are trying. You don't want to gatekeep it. Yeah, exactly. More and more people coming. You can't be the gatekeeper like, oh, well, you're an idiot then. It's like, well, if we're having people come over that never have seen it and they just want to know certain things or be able to follow the puck better. Yeah. You're crazy if you're not thinking that the NHL as a whole isn't thinking of ideas to try. Well, they've yeah, they've tried a lot of different things. types of camera angles. And I think they said the better one that suits the game is the way that it moves now, because when you're changing all these different camera angles, when you're watching on TV, it does give you a bit of a headache when you're just seeing like way too much movement. I think that newbies and casuals maybe don't understand like the lefty and righty and maybe the body movement to predict where like we see a guy kind of shift a certain way. And we would obviously know, well, there's no way he's passed in that direction because you can't get any leverage on it and he just wouldn't. So it's a little bit easier for us to know like, OK, well, you're a lefty, you're a lefty at the top and your hips are shifted a certain way. We know he's just going to snap a D to D here. So it's easy. It's easier for us. Crazy. You know, you play NHL. It's like that. It's the opposite view. Like when you play the video game, you're you're you're behind the net. You're following the puck up and down that way. And we've seen the cameras that are behind the net for power plays and stuff like correct ever with technology, make it better to cover the game that way, because then you don't lose the puck on the boards. Right. Because it's against the boards on the close side of the camera. You lose it. I don't know. I'm just like thinking out loud. Like I can't picture that. Then you get the hockey traditionalist. Yeah. But here in camera. But that's that's why I said I think that there needs to be an old cast cast. It has to be a different cast for newbies. And maybe some of the traditional traditionalists will actually like watching it the way you just described with. You just have to have it on those networks on a different like like a side channel. That they don't care enough about, like kind of like when when they do true TV where they stuck up like what we did. Yeah, I do. I do like the I do think that the more you watch hockey, the more of a feel you get. It's like anything like anything new you do, you got to do it more and more to appreciate it and understand it. Like I do think if you're a new fan, just continue to watch it and then you'll understand the game a little bit more. You'll know where guys are. You know where you think guys are going to move the puck, whatever. But just putting in the hours of watching, I think will help. Agreed. Agreed for that. It is. I mean, you know, it's common for everyone to lose side of the puck to, you know, watching, you know, an entire game. You're going to lose it. My mom still doesn't know where it is. And she was watching my games for my whole life. As far as like the response, because it's like, I mean, like social media, it's so goddamn everything's so toxic, man. It's like it wasn't this bad. Like Twitter is pretty brutal now. It is brutal. So, yeah, you don't you don't want people to get down on that. So let's go to the fun stuff. OK, barring injury. Well, it was a good discussion. No, absolutely. Yeah. I think it was better than that last story you told. Oh, the follow on Instagram from the beef place. Yeah, I got I got I got a little I had a reboot. So I try to keep it a little bit more. I'm going to redeem myself with this one. Barring injury for the 46th consecutive season, a former teammate of Yaramayaga will appear in the Stanley Cup final. Colorado's Brett Kulak or Vegas. Well, I mean, yeah, but but Colorado or Vegas is going to win. So he's got a former teammate on either team barring in barring injury. This has to be coming to an end somewhat soon, I would think, in the next three, four years, although. Maybe not, actually. Yeah, I mean, I have to do a deep dive, but yeah, basically they were both on the 2017, 2018 Calgary Flames. And yeah, like I'm sure there's, you know, guys who play around the Bruins and, you know, even back then that are probably still around. We have to get a list of guys that he that are currently playing that he played with and then know and narrow it down. If they're on the Bruins, it ain't happening. Did you guys see the flyers at the end of the season? They have this paint the ice event. Something went down and they painted like, you know, like a police truck outline, but they did it like where Crosby got the embellishment penalty. I think I think we can pull it up on the screen here. That's pretty funny. It was absolutely hilarious. And they were all like, all right, P Bozo, which was a little harsh. I ain't a Bozo. I'm not agreeing with that. No, I am not. Definitely not either. There it is right there. But yeah, never change Philly. Love them. Biz, are you familiar? Do you know, Reno Lavoie? He does TVA and the French channel. No, I just want to give him a welcome back. I'm not sure if you guys heard he suffered a pair of strokes and one of them during a press conference. And you know, Marty St. Louis, a very classy gesture. He acknowledged his return when he got back in the beat. So just glad as he's doing well, I started interviewing him on YouTube earlier. So welcome back, pal. And keep doing what you're doing, man. You know, so I just want to give him a shout out to him. Awesome. I have it as a head coach opening now. I don't know. I've been wondering maybe a certain alumni might be in the running for it. He played overseas this year. He was a former New York Ranger. VZ? I could see that. I don't know if he'd ever want to, but Jimmy VZ. R.A., is that a source? You're pretty close with the VZ family. You know some guys. You're saying that like you have a source there. We don't name names. I haven't. No. I'm just it's my gut. My gut instinct that don't be surprised if I don't know. I wouldn't trust that. I'm not doing it. She should. It's fucking big enough. Come on, bro. Wow. All right. We got to congratulate our buddy Jake Tebow. Not only graduated from college, but he gave the commencement speech as well to his fellow graduates. You know, I told him to stretch it out, man. Do at least seven years. But didn't take my advice. But listen, man, he's a guy we met through unfortunate circumstances. Like that. Look, look, look, look, look, look. Viewers are listeners on a way. He suffered an accident in hockey and was paralyzed from the waist down. And he's still at his hockey scholarship. He went to school last four years, graduated. If anybody is going to walk again, it's this kid. He actually did walk at his graduation. And, you know, he walked up to the stand for his commencement speech. It's easy to find on Instagram, Twitter. He's been a great pal to me. He's just a beautiful human being. And another guy who I was going through my horse shit a couple of years back. And he was like, you know, Yoda talking to like Skywalker. Give me sort of this wisdom that, you know, I you don't expect from a 22 year old kid. So, Jake, congratulations, pal. Enjoy your vacation. We love your pal. We'll catch up soon. So, yeah, he's the best. He's a good man. Inspirational. Such a good human. He's golfing and everything now. Oh, yeah. We're going to play golf again coming up here. We played last year. He comes over for dinner. He's just a great. His parents are awesome. His brother's great. It's just it was such a sad story. And you've seen what he's done so far. And that can't be helped. He's a great kid is going to be so successful in life. Like he is going to be running a business at some point. I'm telling you. And he's he's it's been a joy to get to know him. I remember going in to the hospital after it happened and his energy and his enthusiasm. And I was like, I was just so impressed. And it's been very special, as you said, already to be become friends with them and get to know his entire family. So that was awesome. I saw Poochagrass tweeted it. Elliott Friedman tweeted it. And just a cool story, you know, in the face of something so difficult. Yeah, he's he's been a frequent visitor down the down the club as well. He's a he's a big hit down there. He's one of the boys that they love having to come down. He came down with Coopers down there last year. And, you know, they traded numbers and stuff. So, yeah, he's another he's another guy who loves the club. So we will actually want to extend our deepest condolences to Tommy Scotty and Brian Fitzgerald on the loss of their mom, Sharon. She passed away the other day. She was a quintessential hockey mom, a nurse for several years, just a classy and beloved woman. Also want to extend our thanks to the Fitzgerald, McGill and Kachuk families on their loss as well. Sharon, she was a peach, a great lady. So, you know, Tommy Scotty, Brian and their clans, we wish you our best. And again, extend our deepest sympathies. All right. Classic recommendation. We're going to do this one right here. The Deer Hunter we talked about a few weeks ago. It's been all over Instagram lately. Won five Oscars. It's yeah, it's it's about, you know, these steel workers and they, you know, three or four of them go off to Vietnam. And it's not really the most realistic. Vietnam movie. My uncle was there. I asked him, he said, the hunt is the least realistic to my experience. He's apocalypse. Now is probably the most accurate, but that's sort of irrelevant. It's just, it's more about like what war does to people and how, you know, the scars it leaves. And it's a, it's an incredible movie. It's like three hours long. Like I said, best picture, best director, Christopher Walken. Why is it called Deer Hunter? The deer? Cause, uh, early on, like the first, you know, well over an hour, they show the, you know, all these guys have their normal lives. They're all steel workers. They were really in the movie and the, you know, the hills of Pennsylvania. Um, and, uh, it's, yeah, then they end up, you know, uh, most of them go off to Vietnam and, you know, go through this horrific stuff. But, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's a beautiful movie and it's actually busy. It kind of has a, a, a significant role in movie history because it was such a huge hit. Uh, Michael Cimino, the director, he basically got carte blanche, uh, to do his next movie and, and, uh, called Heaven's Gate. And he was like, he just was spending, well, I mean, he was doing more tooth than Tony Montana on a Sunday, but, uh, he was like nonstop. It was the biggest bomb in Hollywood history. It went, it was so bad, it bankrupted a studio. And then after that, the studios are like, nope, we're not letting the directors run the show anymore. And then they like, that's basically when the studios like took control of the movies. Cause in the seventies, you know, you had Spielberg, you know, uh, Coppola, Scorsese, all these guys, you know, very independent voice. Like they were making these independent movies. The studios had no say. And then, uh, after the deer hunt, the success, this guy made a bomb and then it basically kind of altered down Hollywood history. Was it a bomb? Did you see that movie? Yeah. Heaven's Gate. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it looks, he saw it. Yeah. He's seen every movie. When you say it was a bomb though, like what was the budget at the time? Oh, it was, it was, and current dollars, probably half a million, half a billion dollars, but I'd say by half a billion, like if you were, if you were to prorate it for, uh, for like maybe G can pull it up. If you were to prorate it by today. Yeah. It was, it was an obscene, obscene amount of money. Oh, that is an actual, wow. It was, it was 35 million back in the day. Yeah. What year? 1980. What year was it? Because I'm going to do it. do it i mean what was the godfather 35 million in 1980 i would assume that's 200 the godfather is probably 20 25 yeah i'd say 135 that's about 141 million these days that's it oh yeah well either way like it banked you know the success of one movie ended up you know like altering the course of hollywood history so a little nerd trivia for you i think that it's i think it's kind of been a trend where that'll happen then they'll kind of cut back and not so now it seems to be there's like a little bit of pushback because people want different new things now where it's all the same bullshit it's all fucking ai it's all star wars it's all it's all like uh marvel marvel um uh it was matt damon on the show the hot ones you know where they like eat the hot food or whatever and the guy asked him about basically like studio spending and stuff and he was mentioning that the the reason that the marvels and all those are made is because they know they're making the money back where what you're spending now to make it back and it was all about how now you don't get the dvd sales that with the stream like all of a sudden the studios would know they'd make all this money after the film came out of the theater on dvds that now is gone so the spending is just so different based on like recouping the money and it's actually shocking to me how much they spend on promotion oh yeah i think it's half it might be half the budget usually half a billion you know half a billy but like this it's just you know the stockholders call the shots it's like the you know the art the art part of it is like kind of gone it's like it's secondary it's you know i mean it's always been about making money but there's always been like you know a section or a significant part of us like all right let's do something you know artistic here that's why i like whether you like that or not the um pta movie with the one was just out oh one battle after another like you know they they i don't even know if they're going to be able to do it they're going to be able to do it like turn to profit yet but that's that's the type of thing that a studio would do all the time like okay even if we lose a little money it's going to be at least an oscar contender because it went a bunch of awards so that cachet is like priceless that you know to have a even if it didn't make its money back in the boss office like you know there's still there's still some people out there fighting for the the art of it and they're basically saying hey we're not going to make a profit here we're just trying to break even yeah there was actually another movie recently that came out where it's kind of clawing back to close to even but yeah i'm drawing a blank but i'm yeah they'll always be like good independent filmmakers and you know whether it's from other countries like the you know that guy who directed parasite is you know there's always going to be like fresh voices out there just it's just tougher and tougher for those people to get their voices heard the way don't know the way the studios are being run these days but anyways i got a good recommendation i want to speak in a big budget uh the odyssey when is that coming out uh july okay 16th to the 22nd yeah i'm gonna go and that is like one of the biggest budgets in the history of film uh half a bill actually no i'm i'm not even sure it is way way up there but like he he didn't do any like cgi any like he did all practical effects like he had like ships built 250 mil 250 mil was the budget for that and that's a heavy tag and and the promotional probably be at least another another hundred mil anyways but like they built like these but i don't get it why do you why do you have to promote that everybody who's interested in film knows that this movie's coming out like why would you need another hundred mil to promote it that's to me what i don't think it's been 25 million on the promotion and it's i'm not even an avid film person but i know about this odyssey everybody's been talking about it word of mouth so anyway yeah hundred sheets though yeah incredible yeah incredible cast it looks it looks pretty wild too like i said none of the cgi like ai bullshit it's like legit he built like the trojan horse like a hundred foot high when he had travis scott's in it there's some weird cameos yeah weird cameos in it did i oh did uh what's his face every day i don't know i don't know i don't know didn't make the cut for that one did he i don't think that's his boy i think he is filming in iceland i think so now i don't know how much he'll be shown on screen okay they're filming it like sometimes you get cut out of the movie i don't know how how that works but i would imagine you'll see his face based on his appearance in oppenheimer dude yeah he might have even a bigger role this time no one might get more airtime than damon that was didn't he tell us he had some lines yeah but once again like sometimes those types of things get it left on the cutting room floor uh i also told i was going to get more playing time when i was an nhl player and look how that turned out how are you uh on right here on netflix uh new martin short documentary it's called marty life is short you know the comedian movie star he was on snl 100 years ago legit awesome documentary like whether you're familiar with his work or a huge fan like myself uh give it give it a look it's a like a real uh you know like just a good guy like a slice of life he's gone through a lot of shit in his life and he's just an alien yeah absolutely one of the funniest can you hear me i don't know if you've heard of him i don't know if you've ever if not the funniest and he's stroking off uh muskoka in it boys uh yeah is that what is that what snug harbour is voting nice pump you think he's the funniest canadian i mean he's no i said he's he's definitely up there i mean i mean jim carrey's obviously one is he is he from ontario because there was no norm mcdonald is funnier i think yeah i mean is he from ontario g there was a clip i saw on social about how he was a comedian he was a comedian he was a comedian he was a like how people from ontario there's a crazy amount of successful people from ontario yeah phil hatman another funny bastard we know you're successful like no i'm the hammer he's from hamilton hammer hamilton there you go and no but it's it's like abnormal amount of people like i think jim carrey like the list was going on and on and on live in ontario i think that there's 10 million people ontario eugene levy rick moranis 11 million people joe flattery yeah john candy yeah it's more about that mitch marner very successful from ontario hilarious he's also who's also a lover of muskoka but anyways it's it's uh yeah it's a good like life-affirming doc it's funny what i said you don't have to be familiar with them if you are obviously you'll probably like it more but the funniest thing he ever did was on a old snl skit you can pull it up on youtube when him and uh christopher's guest they do the synchronized swimming skit i don't know if you ever seen it where keith legit give it give it a look see legit like the funniest thing he probably ever did so give that a look marty life is short boys game seven enjoy and uh we will see you on the stream 7 30 our youtube channel i can't wait i just want a good game biz called overtime r.a said he likes the draw bet that'll be going in on my draft kings account thank you r.a for coming on thanks to osh thanks to knuckles nyland and we appreciate and thanks to murr as long as he can get out of jail for the stream tonight we'll we'll have him and armdog on and we love you all thanks for listening game seven or as r.a said game motherfucking seven have a great day panning for toys won't happen a bad habit worth breaking but it's taking time and i know you don't let it it's gonna happen it's gonna happen again