Spittin' Chiclets Episode 633: Featuring Ernie Clement, Ryan Miller, & Gary Lawless

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And for anyone who hasn't seen, they'll be some spoilers. I really hope you go. Spoilers. Spoilers, fuck you. Last part of we weren't able to talk about it. We're unloading the clip. Fucking spoilers. Fast forward, bitch. So fast forward and please watch it because it's actually popped off. Like I and biz, you called it the country of Canada. They got, they got one baseball team. It's the Toronto blue jays. They're a hell of a squad, incredible season last year till you showed up game seven. Yeah, their fans are, their die hearts and they're all tuning in and they've checked this thing out. And this San Bagu was excellent. First off, Ernie, they're all unreal guys. Yeah. Who called Lucas, a Walmart price Harper, I call them, I think I call them crosshide Harper. Yeah, team, team, who brace Harper. So those guys are the best. They're the best. David Schneider. I love them. I think he, I think he might, I might love all three of us. Even after the loss, he might ask him to quit the blue jays and come be a producer of this podcast. You would do it. Of the baggers, just the baggers. He smashed the ball. He's the new Julia. Hey, when, when Ernie said to him, hey, fuck these guys. We got to start being mean or whatever, because yeah, but we can be friends with them after, right? Well, I don't know if you can go to Toronto anymore. I might be banned from the state, or the state. Well, and so, wait, why? Yeah, people truly, truly despise me. It's, it is what it is. You know, you can't, they thought we were into them. They thought, they thought, I think people were upset. And I own apology to one man. Johnny Long shorts. Greg, Greg played against Bobby, or yes, he played it cold game. No, my swing coach, correct yourself, my swing coach, you're swing coach. It was Clarkson. It was Clarkson, right? He went to Clarkson, but he played for the North Bay trappers before that. So he told me that he was, you guys thought this guy was full of shit. And I'm like, he seemed to say it with a lot of conviction here. I had messages. You arrogant pieces. It's like, I don't know if you get my sense of humor, but you're, you're allowed to hate me. I, I, I kind of thrive on the hate sometimes. I don't love being hated, but then I'll just, I'll dive right, I'll hate you right back. But we had a blast with these guys. Now Greg, on the, I think it was, what was, what whole was that business? Maybe the part five, where, where this all came out that you had the new tip. And we were like, dude, come on. Like, that's called it too. He goes, oh, great. When I was on the rain, James was on the putting green, and he, he looked over away. He goes, oh, great. He's getting a, he's getting a lesson from Johnny Long shorts during the round. He's going to say, Oh, I learned this new trick on the route. You sitting, he had 97 shorts. How about what I go, how about what I go to him, all page sporanic? And then I correct him myself. Obviously, and, and he goes, too, I know where he was arthritis in both hands. This guy's like 75 years old. He was, no, granted, I didn't see any of this interaction that you have with him. Yeah, because you got stung by a bee and almost done it. Stung by a bee and grinded my ass, talk about like having what around big old set of balls that go out there to get stung in the chest by a bee. You look like Ernie and extra innings there. So when I met, remember, I was like, no, man, that guy played at Clarkson, right? And you're like, no, I, I think you're thinking of a different guy. So I went back and I was thinking I met Greg before you where the carts were. He had on a long sleeve shirt, though. And he didn't have the long sleeve shorts. But, you know what? Oh, my God. I'll say this. I'm still to this day. Pretty, pretty wary when an older gentleman tells me, you know, where he played and how many points he had. Is that, is that a quality I love about myself? No, but I think there's a lot of guys who have forgotten about the internet and hockey DB in a league. Yeah, they put this was a guy on their games played in what league. Like you look sometimes and it's like, this guy doesn't even have a hockey DB. But, but this guy, he did and he played against Orr at Clarkson. He did it all. He tugged himself to page and he got your swing going before that round. So he played against Bobby Orr in the Oh, and go to Clark. That's why I was like, there's no way because I think it might have been considered like a lower junior league than the actual Oh, maybe at the time because they didn't even have, they didn't even have his hockey DB of the court on court OHL, which we assume that he played in. No, he said it was like OJHL or something. Okay, well, then maybe that's why I, I, I just assume because when I said North Bay centenials, which was in the OHL, he goes, Oh, I played there, but when it was the trappers. So I, I thought maybe that that was the name beforehand. But hey, boys, I'll say this. I think as an apology, though, and I think a lot of the people want to see this, I think we should go Duke style where me and long shorts go against you guys for nine holes. Hey, I would not only be glad to do that. I'd be glad to have him on the pod. Look, I want, I want to look into his eyes, whether it's via zoom or on the golf course, that's awesome. I apologize. I apologize. That's bigger you with because you're a hell of a guy. You're into the things we're into and you tell the truth and I'm the scumbag in this in this case, Greg. I'm the scumbag. All right, boys, I got a quick surprise for you. We're going to keep talking about the sandbag. You're bringing them in. Gee, boys, the dog. Look at the boy. The boy. I haven't quite recovered from the gummy Ernie. How about the start? You had a walk off already for yourself. You got, I think you were two for four first game. The boys are buzzing. Do the chicklets guys and the beat down. We gave you get any credit. 100% has an ass looking like that. It propelled the boys, man. We had to lock in after that. Oh, man. So looking, a looking back now, you had us. You had us dead to rights. Any regrets, anything she'd like to do different, any, any, any, maybe statements on, on how that went down on the back. He lost his legs. I've got shoes in the cart. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's a, you can always look back and be like, you know, and I could have done this differently. I could have kept the shoes on. I could have, you know, done without the gummy, all these things. You were unreal with the shoes off. I was taking distance away from you, but I'm like, fuck. I mean, I tugged a couple. I was off balance, but, you know, I took the cast of you guys, man. You guys never gave up. You took it to us on those last couple holes, man. It was, is exciting stuff. I'll say I would I was very, very happy for Schneid's and how he hit some clutch puts. I didn't realize how big of a sandbag or fan he was. And also, I was kind of a little unaware of how close you two are. Like, are you guys like basically best friends? - Yeah, we've gotten real close over the last couple of years. We played in the minor leagues together and then we lived together the last couple of years. So yeah, he's like the biggest chicklets fan ever. So that was like his dream come true. - Hey, I was dying when they announced him the wrong name on opening day. That was outstanding. - I know, I know the four guy. He hit on like a champion. - Yeah, he did. - What, what, what did they call him? - They call them pre-established, I think. - Oh, it's said Greg. (laughing) - Yeah, hey, sorry, sorry. Sorry, it wasn't Greg that surprised you guys on the pot. I know that probably would have been a lot better. - No, buddy, I thought you were so busy. - Greg don't have been on that. - I thought you were so busy. But Ernie, that was so fun, man. I don't know if you've seen how many people have watched, but they love the Jace up in Canada, man. You have some die hard fans. You must feel that all the time in T.O. - We feel the love, man, these fans are incredible. And we got a heck of a team. So I mean, it's fun to play for them, no doubt. - I gotta ask you, there was a little criticism on how maybe nasty the chirping got. Now, is the baseball community not like, is it not as chirpy like in the locker room or you guys carve in each other? Like they do in hockey locker room? - He was carving his own teammates the whole time. - Oh yeah, it's okay, affly, man. - Every time Spaniards are luky with dust, what I would say, heck of a shot, nice. - And then I do the same thing and I expect to say this. We can handle it, you know, some people just, you know, can't handle the chirping, which is okay. I, for one love, I encourage it. - How about that track we played though? I was a fatty, that was a ball diamond. - Oh my god, we made like four birdies in the first five holes that I was like, we're so done, we're screwed. - There was a few you guys missed early that were, I was like, hall, we dodged like two bullets. And then on the back die, there was like a hole or two. Jans is putt the long one that I said was going long and in the car, you're like, fuck him. - On 16, on 16, you're like, sit out, sit out, it went in. - It went right in, yeah. - And then I lift one out, I lift one out on that. - Yeah, you did. - You know, it wasn't our time, just like the world carries. I mean, I'm afraid you guys are going to bring that up. It's complicated. - You know, like the camera angle where like you see, like the caterpillar camera angle, where you see the putt go in, and the ball would just be bouncing the whole time. The green surface. - Yeah, it's unreal, it's unreal. - That's why I want to, we got to get a rematch on a real course, you know? - Oh, for sure. Did Lucas get the cross-eyed Harper in the locker room at all? - Oh, we've been called of that the whole year. - It's incredible, it's called, it's like fully caught on. It's fully caught on. - I think somebody looked up that he's made like one-four hundredth of Bryce Harper, 'cause I think we might have underestimated how much more money Bryce Harper's made. - Yeah, he's made an ungodly amount of money, so. Nothing against Luki, it's just that guy's mean. Unlimited money. - Did you have any other parts of it that you really enjoyed? Like what was the? Dude, honestly, the posh is at it on your trip out phase when you're rolling around on the ground and then you put it from like 200 yards out. I was just like, kind of hanging out that day and I watched the whole thing and I was like, and by myself, crying, laughing. - I was too, I texted these guys on that. It was the 11th hole. I was, my wife came up, she's like, what's going on? I had tears coming out of my eyes. And the other aspect that was hilarious, not in the video was, you and Bizz went shoes off. It didn't really do anything to you. We're doing, we're doing our noble ad and Bizz isn't even wearing them, but it's our ball marker. But we went to dinner after, Ernie was in those socks at dinner. That's what I was like. - No, those socks, those socks were, are still laying on the floor in the clubhouse in Dunneedon. I never washed them. I just kind of like left them there and they're just sitting there discussing. - I bet you, there's a girl out there that would pay a lot of money to sniff those socks. - Yeah. - I think we got the eyes. - I think we got the eyes on them. - You know what we'll do? We'll do that as like the golden ticket and one of the cracker jack boxes where we do Ernie Clamant's cock rings for the Jack Cracker Jack. The Bizz, the Bizz this venture from Hole 11. We'll get, we'll get, we'll give Greg a cut too. - Greg, you need to cut that, what a guy. - Well, yeah, we'll call it Johnny Longcock cock rings. That's why you have to wear those shorts. - I know. - Yup. - Just an absolute weapon. I kind of want to ask you just about this like this Blue J team and this season a little bit coming up. You guys are three on all. What a start to the season. That crowd, like that shit gives me chills man. When that stadium is fully packed, it's like a top. - Don't get used to it. It's a tough scene to beat in the MLB. - Yeah, I mean everybody's coming for us. That's the target on your back when you have a good year, but it's fun man. It's so fun. We are crowds have been electric. It's, I mean, 40,000 the first three nights, first three games, it's insane. So, you know, it's easy to get up and have energy for those kind of games. - I looked, he's in Boston. He's in Boston in June. I've already lined up some golf. They have an off day in Boston. So, biz, you'll be at TNT, but we'll be out on the course. I'll get some videos of this guy. - You know what you need to do? You need to go up to the concourse Ernie with your baseball bat. And you need to knock out any fucking person serving one of those lobster proutines, okay? Like, you need to knock them out cold 'cause we don't need, we don't need the people getting sick on the concourse of these lobster proutine and crack beers. - Yeah, and that's crazy. That's crazy. - No. - There's actually one more thing. I, uh, there were some people who's kind of chirping you today at the game. I was, uh, I was in the on deck circle and somebody yelled like a, a true biz and I turned around and I was like, Hey, no, no, no, no, no, that's our guy. Like, you know, surprise me who couldn't, couldn't handle the chirps, but I had your back, all right? So I got, I got, I got it. - Well, it wouldn't be like he'd drugging you. That's probably where, when we said, when we told biz to stop being so nice to you and then he's like, Hey, you know, he started giving it to you. We're hurt. I think that helped us. You were affected by that. - It hurt me too. - Yeah, biz didn't want to do it. We had to force that out of him, Ernie. - Biz was the MVP, man. - The gummy, it costs, it costs that hand up. It costs the boys the, the match and, uh, you know, if we ever get another crack at you guys, I'm gonna be, you know, still cold. I'll be locked in. - Sweetie, I would fly to you right now. - Unreal, unreal. - Can you ask, last thing, can you ask the Jays if I can throw a first pitch out this year? If I come to T.O. - 100%. - Okay. - Yeah, well, yeah, we'll put in a good word for you. You can come hang out in the locker room for the game too if you want to. Wow. He might get a ground off that mound. Oh, yeah. The other shit talking to boys, then I'll tell you what, they're coming after you. What do you think? All that we like all strike out the first batter of the game? Are you kidding me? Buddy? I used to play baseball back. Yeah. He knocked over the three things, the three milk cartons at the fair the other day. I went to the side of the school. You're a veteran of the ball diamond. Oh, fuck it. I'll come out and smash allops the poutine and strike out the side. All right. You'll be on the toilet the whole game learning. It was so fun, man. You guys are absolute blast. I'm a socks fan. So unless you're playing that for you guys and we'll do this again. We'd love to appreciate it, boys. Yeah. He got three fans for life. We love you. We love you, buddy. Go, Jays, baby. Oh, that was. I don't know what the people think. Did people think that like we didn't like each other? Like the teams? I don't know. I just think that people don't understand. They've never been inside a locker room. Imagine you're in your cubicle and like somebody looks over and it's like nice fucking nice long shorts. You fucking peasant. It's like HR. You're gone. Here's your three months. Pay. See you later. Right? Yeah. Yeah. That's great analogy. Great way to describe it. Yeah. Just like absolutely chirping somebody's like jumping on their face and the water fucking Suzanne at the water cooler. I don't think I've ever got a compliment from one of my friends. No. Oh, my God. I'd be like, are you okay? I get a restraining order. Besides Ned, when he's drinking, he'll be a guy. He's a happy drinker. Yeah, very, very, very happy friend. But although, although when you drink it with him, like he refuses to let you go to bed ever again, drinking with daddy one more one more one more. It's like easy. I got to drive the kids to school. It's the anti ambient. Yeah. We went to dinner Friday night. Got the bill paid the bill. And then I saw him go to the guy like, two more. I was like, I paid the bill, but we got to go home. It was a 630 dinner. It was 1115. And then he asked you to put a credit card game for the two beers. You just covered the whole dinner. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ned's a gentleman. Nah, he's the best. All right. A great bagger. A great bagger. Unread couple clicks for posh fish, boy. Yeah. Guys, we show up and we got like these guys get there like an hour early posh has to set up the course. I mean, I'd be thanks. Thanks, Pasha. All right. Let's start over. How about the Bobcat on hole, a hole like 10? That's when it turned around for us though. Yeah. That's true. That's true. We the transformer hole. It was 11. That was the best hole. That was the most memorable hole in San Vega history for me. You were on the ground talking about caulk rings and cracker jack boxes. Then you You put it from 127 yards and at one point I believe ate another shroom on that fairway too. Oh, buddy. I think I did about 45 milligrams like that's, I mean, that's a couple of coffee in the morning for R.A. But for me, that'll put a little bit of a tranquilizer dirt in me. And I think I had about four shroomy-tells. So I was going, I was tweaking and like, I've never, like, lasted here in the soul when I was making myself laugh for that. And then even on the t-box, the next t-box, I said to the camera before I pulled it out for the 110 yard putt, I was like, Pasha, I'm like, watch with it, watch with it. And then I even tapped the ends, I go, watch, watch how much he overex. And then I light up. And then, and then on top of that, I give it the little backswing as a practice because you've got to go more than that. No, it's like, that's not the fact. And then Keith gave you a line like it was like on the green 10 footer. Here's your line. When Witt was yelling at you to put it back, I'm like, let it fly, let it fly, because I knew you were going to do it either way. There was no talking you out of it. Hey, shout out to our whole team who helped put these together. I love you guys. Josh, obviously in the mix now, like, we have such a good team. And we got two more coming at you. We got the Grootin, Paddy Maroon, who I saw this weekend in St. Louis and then the Greg one. And then, and then what? The Greg one. And we're all wearing long shorts for that Greg one. So if anybody knows Greg, like shoot us at DM or shoot us a tweet, like, we'd love to like get him on. He played against Bob your five games, folks. And the way he described them as like a hovercraft or the Ferrari engine, he's a, he's a wordsmith. I feel so bad for doubting him that I'd, I'd actually go play that cold case fucking dump again just to be with him. I don't know. I'm still 100% that he played against them. No, no. The team picture is out. That's right. Yeah, but he doesn't have Twitter of the team that played against, yeah, you don't see a lot of stuff. You don't see anything. You don't see the hate. But, um, bitch, we're going to get to you because you had a crazy week. I kind of want to talk about when we get into St. Louis and Utah. I will bring up because you just reminded me. I got to see R.A. yesterday. I went to the Bruins game and boys. So the Bruins, they're getting waxed right now. I think by Columbus, but they played Minnesota and a five o'clock Saturday start. Beautiful. By far and away, the best time to play a hockey game. It was an unreal crowd, huge game for the Bruins, wilder, a little bit kind of going through the motions. I think they're just set in stone where they're at, right? The Bruins might be an issue in the playoffs. Swamen dude. They'll take their pound of flesh. They'll take away. They take their, and even today, they're getting pounded, but they had Gibrancan and, um, Tanner Junot and then Castellick fought Olivier. So they're getting beat. They're getting beat three nothing and they're like, all right, that's, that's exactly the right term is they take their pound of flesh. Swamen is so dialed in right now. Zaka looks unreal. Pasha telling me to offer word, Zaka sucks a couple of years ago is the dumbest hockey take this show has ever had. The guy is unreal for the baggers he began. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, but on both ends of the ice, Middlestat look good. McAvoy's playing amazing. It's just, it's a, it's a tough team like, I don't think they can win the Stanley Cup, but dude, playing him in the first round with that D and that goalie. Arvid said to wit Arvid since been such an unreal acquisition. Yeah. Yeah. Over 20 goals. Nobody wanted this guy. I think it was like a fourth round picket cost for him. Just an unbelievable acquisition. Zaka Middlestat Arvid's in line, five on five, one of the best in the NHL this year. It's been very impressive. The past that Pasta made Arvid's in that was insane. And we talked about it with Charlie, the way he's just able to hold on to it, hold on to it, fake. Like, you don't know what he's going to do as a D or a goalie. Like, if he's going to shoot it or pass it and Arvid's in just found that soft area with a great dip. Bernelli's fucking commoners jeans back there. Yeah. So Pasha just fucking Pasha right in the chat here. Zaka's never even had 60 fucking points settle down. Like, buddy, you don't get it. You still don't got it, Pasha. 26 goals. Buddy, what is what is your thing with? Oh, so if somebody's somebody gets 80 points, like if he had 80 points, he'd be good in your mind. He's a hell of a two way player, man. Yeah. And Boston plays Boston likes to like play a little bit of a smarter game. They're less like high flying offense like some, look, look, look at Columbus success. They haven't had a player in their team at 60 points yet before maybe today. I haven't checked the stat sheet, but I think they're highest score as 59 points in there in a fucking playoff spot. So I think that like, yeah, like not every team's going to have the same fucking style of play. And we talked about coach of the year last pod boys like Sturm. He's on a real fucking job too. And with that, an amazing segway into some shocking news that came down right before we started this pod. Bruce Cassidy fired by the Vegas gold Knights, the most ruthless organization in sports for torts, John Torrella back in the mix. I mean, this is content. Gold. Oh, my God. Vegas is winning the cup. And I'll tell you, they have, I think somebody said they got eight games left. Let me look here quick. They've eight games left. That is what the New Jersey Devils had left when Robbie Fattorek was fired in 2000. And Larry Robinson came in and they went on to win the Stanley Cup. So if Kelly McCrimman was thinking of doing this like two games ago, he might have been like, I'm just going to wait. That's crazy. You're sure he did that just like Lou did in 2000. And we talked about this on the show, I think on the chat. I think Cassidy's a hell of a coach. He's a Stanley Cup champion. He's had a lot of success. I think he's one of those guys that is hard to play for and it runs, it's course a little bit. Now, that does not mean you aren't a good coach. It's just you have a certain style that can wear it, wear on guys. That the room might have tuned him out a little bit. I'm guessing I have seen some numbers though that said they're shooting percentages crazy low. And they're safe. And they're safe percentages horrible. So if both come up a little bit, all of a sudden, like they're going to be a better team in the way they've looked, but it's been, I mean, I think we're talking what three months, three and a half months now of bad hockey. And I think it's shocking, but I also kind of get it. Yeah. And even even that last game against Washington, you get down, they're able to come back, at least salvage some points, but like they look flat towards the end of that game. Like you find a way to come back. You've got to find a way to win that game. Washington has nothing to play for. They're just out there. But like to, I bet that's why they got why you got fires, because the way that they laid an egg there, like you have so much momentum, they scored three goals on three shots and you don't find a way to win that game when you need to at the end of the year. But also did another crazy thing, Jack Eichel does not have a power play goal this year. That's why people question the Marner move is because they're both past first mentality. Like they're both like I think that that naturally, you know how they say like guys like Kuturov, Capriceov, they're pasta, they're, they're wingers that play like centerman. Yeah. Marners kind of a winger that plays like a set like a pass or pass first mentality as well. Like you could throw them in that grouping, right? Where I also feel like like Eichel plays like that as well, like he always, he'll have a good opportunity. He'll look for that guy. That's just kind of his giving nature. And I think a lot of it, two boys, I think they're one of the worst starting teams in league, right? Like they're always getting behind like they've given up the first goal. How many ever times they had to come back again in that game against Washington. So I think I've kind of been beaten that drum a little bit saying that I think I'm like here in rumblings that he is short his like his shelf life is short. And I think that he could be replaced. But then it got past the deadline so much. I'm like, Oh, okay. They're just going to ride him out and you know me and going back to what you said with like there are some underlying numbers that like overall the play is somewhat decent. They're just not getting the puck lock bounces and the stone injury, like you got to think roots. Yeah, if he's in the lineup, they're probably winning more games. I'd say definitely winning more games. The way he's played this year too, I mean, they signed Aiden Hill to that deal. It's been a disaster. Cassie didn't make that move. Cassie didn't trade for Anderson who has not looked good. There's been a lot of things that isn't really on him. But Kelly McCrimman and this team has proven time and time again, whether for good or for bad, they do not give a fuck. No. And they're looking at every single year's a year they can win the Stanley Cup. And if they see something that they believe will stop them from winning the cup, they're going to make a move. They're going to make a trade. They're going to get rid of someone. They're going to fire a coach. They don't care when I think fans actually like it. I don't know if Vegas Golden Knights fans are thrilled that Cassidy got fired. I think that they're, they're, they're pretty ruthless for a spoiled fan base. The fans are too. Yeah. They're very aggressive online like they start bitching quite a bit for why wouldn't they because all they've seen is success and all they've seen is fair. But that's also being a bit of a spoiled brat like you fucking went to the Stanley Cup finals in your first year of existence. You got one of your first five years. Like I think I feel like they're just as cutthroat as as the organization. The organization is an embodiment of their fan base. Now I will say this in it might be totally crazy. I think that the torch higher has a ton to do with the Olympic situation. Yeah. Because I think every guy that we talk to what they said about torts like you. As an assistant, I mean, obviously it's going to be different, right? But it's not though, cause he's going in there and he's saying, "Boys, this is on you. I'm here to fucking call the lines. It's not like it happened halfway through the season where he can be like, okay, we got a short stretch of practice. And I'm going to fuck it with these guys in the shape. You have to come in with the pom-poms and be ra ra and you have to base. You do what bones did. Like bones, bones wasn't like, he was more of like a ra ra. Hey, we got to write pieces in here. Like we can improve a couple things here and next thing, you know, we got some puck lock and we're firing on all cylinders. This is exactly what happened in Columbus. I think that I'm curious to know if they consulted Eikl and the way that torts was at the elimination and Hannathon and just to kind of that, this is boys. The fucking last like three years of the NHL and like the crazy shit that drops. Like it's fucking stupid, man. It's must see TV. There's no better league going right now than Nashawakily. And yeah, and we're just, we haven't even gotten into the good stuff yet because we're about what two weeks, three weeks away from this thing really getting kicked off. And the races are wild. Now bones, I believe it comes a little more natural to him to be a ra ra guy. But this probably at the beginning will be like the happiest, most laid back torts version of torts we've ever seen because I agree with you. It's like, you can't go in and immediately just be he's probably going to be keeping guys accountable. But like they've just dealt with a guy who gives it to you and nonstop. You can't kind of go in and give that same message. And I think that he will be able to at least change some things in terms of like passion because Keith said it for a while now. It's just looked, it's just like vanilla hockey. It's not, there's not much like life in that team. And torts will bring that in. I, I just love the fact that he's back like I cannot wait for a torts press conference. Right like he's going to snap on a reporter at some point. I'm going to be watching the clip 100 different times laughing over and over and over again. And I think that this could do a lot of good things. Now they need to get goal tending, right? Like that kind of kind of coach changed that. I don't know. Maybe if he goes in and he talks to Aiden Hill in a different way, give him some more confidence, that could change his game. But a shocking, shocking thing to come across the wire, right, right as we started. I thought it was frock, Sarah Velley. He did are fucked. Are you kidding me? Yeah. If I'm sexy, the group, he goes towards the Vegas. And I was like his memes like extra high on a Sunday afternoon. So I went right to Elliott's Twitter and boom. He'd already retweeted Vegas, making the announcement. The whole thing with torts, right? Like you saw what he did in Philly. Like he got guys to play the right way to play hard block shots. And think of playoff hockey. That's how you got to play in the playoffs, right? I don't think Vegas has been a team that's been playing playoff type hockey. So he's going to, he at least has that aura about him where guys know, hey, if I don't block this shot, he's going to fucking lose his mind on me. So he's going to have guys even accountable, even today, not even been there yet, right? Like guys know what he is as a coach. And he's going to to bring him in right before play us. I think his fucking genius. I think it's going to work. I like to move to you know that like they are front runner. For my bandwagon, they are the front runner right now. You why you laughing? I'm not. I'm maybe going head to head with you again, bitch. Oh, I will, I will. I have never sniffed me in the thumb. I'm losing a head head with you in the NHL, buddy. I don't want you on head to heads. I would gladly go head to head with you. And, and I do think that there was probably guys that immediately texted the equipment manager when they saw the news. Like can you get me some of those shop lockers for my skates? Because I'm not getting on video after the first match. Martiner. The Mariner, Mariner called cred lug wig and he was like, Hey, can I use your shimpads for the rest of the year? I'm glad you brought up Mariner because a ton of comments on the chicklets main account tweet about torts going there. It's like, Oh, Mariner, Mariner's screwed, Mariner's screwed. I actually think Mariner, he, he's unreal defensively. Like I think torts could love him. That could be a, I think torts could be a huge Mariner fan. I don't know why everyone's like big and that Mariner's, you know, when I think of him, I got his fucking jersey on right now and shadow to lawless scary. Lawless was the one who gave me this at the start of the year when I, I did my little baby come back video for Mitch Mariner. Um, crazy though, crazy. We need to get him on. He said in a bit of a standoff right now. Well, listen, I texted him and I get, but he texted me today. And he goes, I don't understand what the, what the big confusion is with, with the goalie interference stuff. And didn't even, buddy, buddy, he didn't even mention the Bruce Cassidy firing. This is afterward. He texted me about the goalie interference and didn't say one fucking word about a, a, a Bruce Cassidy going. Well, listen, didn't he send you a long, didn't he send you a novel about how good of a coach Bruce is and how he's gonna, he's gonna get this all figured out. Maybe it's his guy. Yeah. And, and, and I'll say, so I texted, so, so Gary texted me. He doesn't love us. That's the thing he goes. Just got interesting in the Pacific. I said, Gary, we're recording in an hour. Please, please, please come on to chat about this. Sorry. No can do tied up. I said, I completely understand. Do you have a statement I can read that people will want to hear? He said, I have a column coming up soon. Then, so at this point, I'm like fucking Gary lawless. The god damn thumb. So then he text me, don't use that blank line. Please, the note was just between us. I said, Gary, I didn't even get a note. He said, my man, I said, no, no, Gary. Nothing came through. I didn't get a note. I think he thought me saying I didn't get a note meant like I got you. Don't worry. I go, no, no, no. He writes, even better. I go, Gary, send the note. I won't include the line about blank. Nope. He is, he is, he is, he is, he is playing, he is playing mind games. And then my column will be posted very soon, Ryan. So you know what, Gary, we're going to have to do it again. And this Edmonton now with torts. And if they, I think they're going to end up playing each other. By the way, Edmonton's figured things out a little bit. They beat Anaheim at home last night. Mick Dave was buzzing around. I'll tell you this. So boy, he got his 14th goal. Hymon got another empty netter. He's got over 30 again. The Oilers boys, the Oilers are playing the long game. Oh, this, this one's the right recipe. You're happy with this one? I'm happy with what we got and Edmonton and Paul coffee's back. And Vegas has torts. And that first round is going to be electric. I need you to jump on that bandwagon because I'll guarantee us a separate round matchup. I would consider teaming up with Gary. I don't know. Gary first me and Gary, happy birthday. Stop 60th birthday. Happy birthday, stop. This is how long of a message. Gary wrote me and did not mention the fire. Look at how long that text is right there. This is how you, what time was that at? Read me the time. It was 1114 my time here. So no, it hadn't happened yet. It had 14. No, okay. Let me ask you this. Do you think Gary knew that this was happening at 214? I think Gary's really, really bummed that he didn't know. Oh, I think Gary didn't have a god damn clue. You hear me, Gary? You hear me, Gary? You know, no, you shut your fucking mouth. All right. You shut your mouth. No, Gary's like pigeons, dude. Who Gary, Gary, Gary, Gary can't stand us right now. Join the club. Gary, everybody who's listening. There's a way less than it's long. Gary, Gary. Hey, boy. Hurry. The phone. As we close in on the final three weeks, boys, this is as of Sunday afternoon. Two of 16 playoff births have been clenched. Colorado and Dallas, the number one seed in every division and conference has yet to be decided. Two divisions have a three point gap or less between the first and second seed. That's the Atlantic and the Pacific in the Eastern conference. Three teams currently outside the playoff line are within five points of the second wild card position. And in the Western conference, five teams currently outside the playoff line within four points of the second wild card position. Biz, you were in St. Louis, they might fucking do this again. The St. Louis Blues are on an absolute tear. They are, they're 11, 2 and 2 in their last, uh, what would that be? 15 games. They, it seems like they've just figured things out and I actually read a great quote before I ask you about seeing them live. Montgomery was talking, he said, I think we started this year thinking we were going to be good. And when it didn't happen, we stopped working like all of us. I include myself and everybody in it. We got frustrated and stand to fight instead of finding solutions and we're now finding solutions. And it makes sense, right? Like if you have these high expectations last year, crazy loss in game seven, but we got a lot of great players coming back. And then it, it just goes to shit so early. There probably was some quit in the room, right? And then you make these big trades where you lose your captain, you lose Justin Faulk, who's been a big time player there. And it's like they all came together and I don't know what you saw in person, but they're running over teams right now. They just, they're. working. They're just fucking working. And they got some good young players in that lineup. Like if I was talking to Steiner because I went there for the Kelly Chase pop cancer. So I got to see the whole team the night before their game was at that that that cancer that they were there to drop the puck to walk Kelly Chase out on the ice like talk about a group that really really likes each other. And and you know what? Like come to think of it, man. Like, you know, we were kind of giving it to per ankle for for blocking that trade. Like, I think that we were, I was wrong on that. That guy wanted to be part of the solution. You wanted to stay with this group of guys that he really likes and fucking y'all. So so that's that. Um, but overall, man, just a very impressive group. Same with Thomas. I think we're thinking about trading Robert Thomas. He looked unbelievable. So uh, the goal tenning's been incredible between the both of them. Is it is it who sold the other one? HOFA or HOFA HOFA. Um, but he's been kicking unbelievable. And yeah, I think that that's a team like you like last year. You saw that the way that they handled the back half of the season. Also how physical they are and how they get on you and they're breathing down your neck on the four check. I was just seeing a lot of that. Now obviously they've been good in the game. I saw was against Toronto in which they had 13 shots on net. So that was obviously a statement game. St. Louis is like, if we're going to make playoffs, we can't be losing the fucking leaves. They looked brutes, they looked like a fucking AHL team. So um, yeah, credit to St. Louis and boys pack barn. The crowd was unbelievable. And it was also good going to see like my career. So I saw Janssen Kamen Strick, um, all the the alumni I bumped into Al McKinnis who on the con course are sorry, the press box level. So he said he'll come on the podcast. So it was a pretty cool weekend. Also ran into two guys who picked up our PTO jerseys. That was incredible. It thought it was AI. I thought it was AI. Those guys are the most rider die. Chick-clicks guys I've ever seen in my life. We never even sniffed a regular season game and they have our jerseys. It was, uh, it was Davis Schneider. Yeah. Yeah. Jack. They got them in the lost. Hey, do you think, do you think just even say they don't make playoffs, do a nice little run here. They see what they have for the future. You still think that they'll be even thinking about trading. Robbie Thomas this summer. No, I think they would be dumb too. I think that there's another gear he can get to give him the C. The one I'm I'm hoping like figures it out is Kyru. Like I hope that he he's because like his name's always popping up in in all these conversations. But I did this Texas, Texas in the group. I think murals was like, ah, they are playing in the central, which is a pretty loaded division and all the teams that are loaded are pretty young and will probably have sustained success for the next two, three, four years. Um, but I think that St. Louis is set up just as good as anybody in their goal tending. They got Broberg. I was going to come and swing into like, it's crazy to me that they didn't match those offer sheets. Like I think it's absolutely fucking insane. Broberg's Holloway is making like two, two this year and he's going to end up signing for like eight times eight. So the good young talent they have and the way that they're able to replenish all their like their draft picks. I think they have five first rounders in the next three years. Like if they want to go and move those and try to get better now, I think that that could be a top, you know, top six, 17 league for years to come if they're able to make the right moves and draft accordingly. And and a steamers and other guy that I bumped into if I haven't already mentioned that who's going to be taken over the reins after the draft this year. So it's just said to see what they do coming up here in the next and the next six months. But they must have known that they had a little bit something right because all the talks before during the deadline was they were going to unload everybody. Bennington was talked about Thomas Kyru. Like those are big pieces to a team to even be talking about. I mean, they were willing to trade them all. That's what I mean. Sure. Yeah. It's probably an uncomfortable conversation. But Bennington's got like you have HOFA who is playing unbelievable and maybe they think that his time is ready. And also maybe they're just maybe they just like to dangle the carrot as I don't want to call it gutless. It is to the guy. It's like right. They were dangling per ankle. You heard Thomas. Obviously Kyru's names came in the mix. But I think what they think if somebody's willing to overpay for one of those guys that they can reload around Broberg snuggler. Rude. Um, um, that divorce. He's good. All the way. There's a couple other names that I'm forgetting here. Divorsky neighbors. Oh, yeah. Jake neighbors. I was the one I was forgetting. But they have a good really young core that that is has already proven that they can get it. They did it last year. Still a little rattled at the bulldoop trade because I feel like even with him, it would be even more exciting. But um, but yeah, uh, they're they're they're they're teed up. And even if it is with those guys, I mean, they're they're going to have success. You think they get in this year? No. Merle says them are Winnipeg guarantees is the final spot because Winnipeg is also right in the mix right now. Winnipeg actually is a point ahead of St. Louis, but St. Louis has a game in hand. Winnipeg's three points back in Nashville. St. Louis's four points back and St. Louis has a game in hand on on both them. Nashville and Winnipeg have both played 73. So this is what's nice though about their situation right now. Is they have a lot of control over their own destiny because they play the sharks. I don't think the sharks are going to make it. I think they're they're out of it. The LA who is another team fighting for that spot. They got a they got Anaheim which will be a tough match. I can't I guess they can't catch them, but they do have Winnipeg one more time and they also have Utah. So they that's lose Nashville's losing right now to Tampa. They got some tough loss to Montreal Saturday night. Cole Coffield gets another look. Oh my god, Fowler. Fowler is their guy and it's happened quick. I thought he would be a full season A HL maybe another run in the in the A HL playoffs. I think he played last year into the second round they might have lost in is it Laval they play out of and now and and now I mean, I think it's quite obvious. Dolby's can be good, right? But Fowler looks he looks dialed. He looks ready to take this job over and Demardov's goal was disgusting. Coffield Coffield's first two steps are ridiculous. He was on the wall. Got the puck all of a sudden. It's like a mini breakaway and he just sniped that one. They take care of Nashville in Nashville and then we'll go on back to Demardov him him. Seneki and Schaefer coming into this pod. Maybe it's changed now. We're all tied for rookie scoring at 59 points and then I think rookie goals. Maybe I'm off on that. Check that out. Gee. And then I know that Seneki Schaefer and I think also Demardov worked tied with 22 goals for rookie scoring. No, no. Demardov doesn't have that many goals. I don't know. Okay. Who is the other guy I'm missing? I'm forgetting. Demardov's got this tonight though. Demardov has 16 goals. Okay. Seneki has 22 goals. Yeah. So to Schaefer has 22. There's one other rookie that's tied with 22 for the league. That would be Oliver Kaplanen. Okay. This guy I asked Bill about him. Billy Ryan. Who who it go? Look it up. We've talked before. Sad at the the war room before the draft banging his fist about Fowler. And he I asked him about Kaplanen. He's like, dude, this kid is so smart. He's just a he's a finish. He's a finish hockey player, man. He's great around the net. And I started thinking like Montreal. Talk about a team set up for the future, dude. Look at all these guys and how young they are. And then like they have the kid in Michigan. Common Michael Hage. I talked about this. They have a lot. And then you look at where they slot in, right? Like this Kaplanen on a Stanley Cup team. Maybe he's an unreal third liner. I know he's playing with Demardov right now. Maybe they always actually stay together and they have a connection. But that Montreal, I don't think it's a one and done year for Montreal like last year. I don't I think it's all starting now and they might get to the second maybe third round this year. They might be the team that I hook on my bandwagon too. Oh, we win. What's that? What's that? I've been a little bit deeper. I mean, I've been a fan for three years and my team has gone to the finals in all three of those years. So I don't know if they want me or not. Well, and you have the Billy Ryan connection. So I guess shut out to their scouts in how they're able to seek out talent. Like they have another Russian. They have another Russian. They got in second round like Zavrovski or something that is doing what Demardov did last year. So it's and they have a defenseman in the WHO. It was like 58 goals. Like it's I should have his name. Gee, look, look up that kid's name. He's disgusting. Bryce Pickford from the medicine hat. And he has over 50 goals, I think, right? He has 45 goals of season 38. As a defense. There's a demand. That's unbelievable. And they got their goalie. If Fowler looks what he looks like just I know we can't kind of stop talking about Montreal, but why wouldn't we right now? Biz another team you brought up. The Utah mammoth got to experience a game out there. Very interested to hear they are four best Western conference goal differential. They look all slotted in to be the first wild card team. How was the crowd? What did you see? And and actually kind of a crazy game. Wilson was trying to murder. It was an unbelievable game. Unbelievable game. And I mean, the first thing I got to mention is we mushed it. Troy Terry's the only guy survived right now with an unbelievable stat of no hits. Ovi took two D zone draws off the building. That's actually that's a few. That's not for you to you. That was you know, it's crazy. I cut a video promo that I never ended up sending out. And in it, I mentioned, I'm like, I'm. playing that carberry sees this and gives Ovia D's on start. Like I'll send you guys to end. Because I was going to have universe. No, because I was in a press. I was in attendance. And I want, I was just like, I wanted to see it. I'll send you to see his winger, just see his winger walk him off the wall and score. Like, oh, that's. Well, what's even crazier is after he got it. That's when he started. That's when he got his first goal, second goal, and then ended up getting his 34th career hat trick. Tough loss for Utah. They were up 3-1 in that game. It was, we had wit on the NASH cast. The whole reason I went there is I was supposed to go in December. I used to work with Tyson Nash with the coyotes. It's really cool. Like, what Ryan Smith has done, not only to bring a team there and like, have this facilities and build out an unbelievable locker room that like the gym and the training room. It all ends up connecting to the basketball room. So how efficient they made the whole locker room where you can close off the dressing room to the Utah mammicide and then still use all the unbelievable weight gear and training tables and whatever you need for the Utah Jazz side. And it's this big U. And then across the hall, it's the unbelievable owner's suite. He's got a basketball hoop on the second floor of it for like all the kids' wives and stuff like the wives lounge girls. But just like the way that he's like taking that team there, the facility and the rink, like you walk around the concourse and it's all glass and you see these mountains around you. Like it's and just the way that he like he took all the unbelievable people yams from Arizona that kind of got the shaft. Tony is there. Stan was there to help with the soft roadie. Rudy is there. Jimmy Jimmy face. Yeah. What do you mean Greg? I was just saying name, but you were saying names. I'm like, oh, right. Jimmy O'Neal, Jimmy O'Neal. Fair. Jans, no Jimmy O'Neal. He knows all these people from Arizona where it's suck man. They had good people. They just struggled a little bit with ownership. So it was pretty cool to like see all them and they were playing Washington. So I also ran into Serbs, who's got Tuesday in the cups one moment with Tampa and wash and he's still going and then and then Sergei, we had like a PR guy, Sergei, who would help out and he's Russian. So when Ovi first sat around Washington, he was with us the first few years in Arizona, but they poached him because he would end up being Ovi's right hand man with all of his PR and everything that he's got going on. So it was really happy to see him and and also just like I said, the unbelievable game as we did the NASH cast. We brought in Bob Heathouse too because he was such a big part of of me and Asher's career. So all in all man, like what they've done and how they've just brought that team in there and had a good first year, then now they're probably going to end up in playoffs. A pretty good successful season for for the Utah mammoth. Yeah, I think they're fun to watch. I think it's going to be a crazy playoff atmosphere. Did you like the building and like did you get to see what they're going to be different? Because I think they have two more summers of of doing things to make it more NHL friendly. Yeah. So so even the lower bowl, it's very steep. It's almost like Montreal where you're you're like you're right on top of it. I love that. I love that. So it's loud. It's crazy. The the upper deck, I believe on both sides. You aren't able to see just on both ends where the goals are. You can't see from like the blue line in. So the tickets that they sell there and I think I was even talking to them. They're not those tickets aren't even going to be expensive. I think if they make playoffs, they're going to start them off at like 55 bucks, 60 bucks, where you can get inside an NHL just because you can't see the end zone. But those seats, those seats. Yeah, those seats. But hey, but you know what? Like you're in the building. You're in the fucking building. Most owners wouldn't do that. They'd be feeling like, I sorry, 300 bucks. And and another thing to is is he refused to sell too many season tickets because he wants everyone to be able to to like at any given time to be able to buy tickets and come for their first ever experience because he's saying he's like once they come once, you got him hooked. Yeah. And and it's just cool the way that he thought about how to roll this out and how to treat the fans. And you know, that guy who I did that promo hit with. It's a fuck. What's the guy's name? I'm dry Utah. Help me out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen him crazy. Yeah. Oh, the guy that lives in like a barn on the river or something. Yeah. He's moved into business house. Yeah. True. Yeah. We get we put cut the promo like he was saying. He's like, fuck man. He goes, they didn't raise the ticket prices. They left them flat. So like, you know, most people like after you produce a good product and you put all this money into a team to not only buy it, but to upgrade your facilities, build out this unbelievable practice facility. He's not gouging the people there to, you know, and including going into playoffs, considering keeping those so cheap. So we mentioned it last pod. Then a few weeks ago, he like tweeted, oh, hey, who wants to come inside of my owner's box? Has he didn't have those tickets to give away? To any of his family and friends. So just the way that he thought about how to like connect with the community and roll this thing out 20 out of 10. And it was just so cool to be there and experience. And next year, boys, I hope you guys come and I hope we're able to even maybe hit up the game before the winter classic, but they're hosting Colorado and what might be the like the best setting for a winter classic we've ever seen. Where is that going to be? The Utah. Is it like a soccer field or something? The Utes, which is the, the, um, oh, I think it got the mouse to call it football, this is the mk. Oh, call it football. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That background of that arena or the, that field is insane. It's unbelievable. That's their logo, the Utes. Biz, did they sell like beer and stuff at the games? Yeah. Yeah. They actually sell a lot of it. It's less, is it less percent alcohol out there? It is, it's, it's capped at a certain amount. I think it might be like three and a half percent. Yeah, I'm, I don't think you're in a half. Yeah, you're not getting the hairy. Oh, it's Utah Hawk. That's the guy's name. If you want to look them up on on Instagram, he's an absolute lunatic for the Utah man. But I hope everybody's able to go check out a game there, incredible away building. And they're going to fix over the next two summers. As you mentioned with, they're going to, they're going to move those seats back so you can see the whole barn. I got to be fair, right? You talked about playoff tickets and prices, even though you can't, you know, see the, see the eyes. The oilers, man, I saw a tweet. This guy's tickets last year for the playoffs with 350 bucks of ticket and his same tickets this year are $4.99. Oh, shit. That's kind of me. David takes a price that like a hometown discount and the team can't even. Yeah, I was like, wow, I was just, you know, that's, that's a, I see 350 to 400, but yeah, I was like, whoa. But you know what, you go to the cup final after cup final and you're like, I'm going to, I'm going to make some money off this run. Every oilers home game, they're just printing it. So or maybe they don't think they're going to make a long run and they got to make their money in the first round. Don't say that boy's a live news here. I'm not the biggest basketball fan, but I think that I think that you can't just beat Duke. No, I had it on before we started. They were down like 24 points. I think they came back 73, 72 final number one. That you can't team. They just win in March. Crazy. Holy shit. Speaking of playoffs tickets, the Buffalo Sabers announced that they're going to be doing $30 tickets for the playoffs. See, they should do $3,000 a ticket. It's $30. Yeah, from this is from national today. It's just the Buffalo Sabers have announced today that playoff tickets for the first round will be priced as low as $30 for season ticket holders. It relatively cheap compared to previous years, I mean, even though they haven't for them, because that's what it was when they last made the playoffs. Yeah, you'll be sitting up in the in the St. Samuelson section, but 30 bucks to get in the building for that atmosphere and you can see the whole eyes surface. My God. That's like, that's like a, we love you. Thank you for supporting us. And we're sorry it took so long. And we're sorry we fired our GM who made us successful. But here's tickets for 30 bucks. Yeah, but some companies going to buy all those tickets and resell them for way more. Well, it's offered this season ticket holders first. Quick, quick update here. The Bruins were down three nothing. They had the two fights. It's now three, two was six minutes left. That's that's pretty insane. The Canadians were getting outshot. 10 nothing in Carolina to start the game. They're now up three won. Coffield has another one. Suzuki has two. That's society. He's got 62 assists this year. It's just a wagon there. He is so good. And this is Saturday night. Staying in the East. I think there's a bunch of different things we can go with here looking at the standings. But the flyers man, there's three points out with a game in hand. He's his own tip it. A fucking star. He looks like David. He's incredible. His consistency is just it clicked this year. He's been tricked the last night, right? Against Detroit. And Detroit got that huge win against Buffalo. And it was an enormous dub. And then they lose that take game to Philly at home too. Tough, tough sledding right there. But right here 11 4 and 1 since the Olympic break. Third best record behind Buffalo and St. Louis for the flyers. And I'll tell you is the fans have to be happy. And you know why they haven't been coming at us. They haven't been coming at us. Oh, they've been shut their fucking mouth is what they've been doing. Yeah. They've been shutting their eyes and maybe talk. It wasn't the worst coach of all time. And we have a team that was looking like dead dogs at one point that right now was in a decent chance to get into the playoffs. So good for them. They're the most controversial three fan base in the world. They're trying to shit on their coach for not playing their superstar. 22 minutes. He protects him plays him the right amount. The teams having success. All I hear about online. We don't have a first line center. We don't have a second line center. We don't have a number one D. Oh, you don't got all these fucking things, but you're fighting for a playoff spot. Yet you think the coach is shit. Shut the fuck up. I don't own too many fan bases. But I fucking own the flyers fans. They're my fucking lap dog at this point. I don't know. They're like posh's dog. Now by owning them or is it kind of like, right? They haven't won a cup since 75. I'm 1967, but more just like I'm in your head so bad that I make you so mad that I don't think he makes great point. Keep changing the narrative. They keep changing the narrative. They they're they're for the whole reason I call them morons. And then they all got offended. And I was only directing it towards the people were like, but they all they cared about was how much ice time one player got on their team. And even Chris Pronger went on the nasty. Is it nasty knuckles pod? He goes just handing a guy ice times not the solution to development. So that's coming from a heart one or a Norris winner and a Hall of Famer and a former fucking fire. Prong screams to me like taking over as president somewhere. It's a point. I I don't know. I could see that you want him at your roundtable. Yeah. And and flyers fans. I think that they're very excited today because Porter, Marthone, he signed the stud. This kid came into Michigan state absolutely lit it up. They had a shocking loss. They were up three wonder Wisconsin with five minutes to go six minutes to go. They lost in OT Wisconsin goes to the frozen four. But I think that Marthone hops right in the line up. A G you've seen more of him. He's a big kid. He's unreal with the pocket. It's skate. I think he's the perfect Philadelphia flyer. I mean, I would say his NHL comparable is like a Brady Kitchock. He's going to go out there and be okay. Mean winger. He can score goals. He's got talent. He's fast. He's got skill. Flyers fans are going to fucking love this kid. He's no meachkov. Yeah, true. I'm a next season. I'm all in on meachkov. I'm flipping this with the meach god. Do you think Demodon? You're not taking you're not taking demmy god giving it to another Russian. No, no, take of your own nickname form. Take a hike. I'm going back to Lane Hudson G through this stat in here. I don't know if you already read it with Lane Hudson became the third defenseman in NHL history to record multiple six years this season before hitting his 23rd birthday joining Paul coffee. We did it three times. Bobby or long shorts as buddy and Cole Coffield became the first player with a 45 goal season since the farm. Lucia 51. I would imagine that's for the Canadians since 1989 and 90. So now he has 46 so he needs six more to break that reshay goal mark. I wonder what the most was after that. Um, boys, we got breaking news. What do we got? Gary lawless has just texted up our post office column. Wow. Should we, should we, is it long Jeep? Like, could we read it? I don't think we give Gary the time. I don't think we give it to him. He's been blowing us off. I think that he is so made me want to read the first thing I've ever read in my life. This is lawless. Welcome to Vegas, John Torturella. The status quo wasn't working for the Vegas golden nights. Something had to be done in Kelly McCrim and fashion. He made a chess move. He danced his pawn one spot. Oh, shit. He just started. Oh, shit. He actually said a line to me and he goes, you can't quote me. So I can't say it. But when I send you this line, I'm, I'm like, I could cry that I can't say it. I could cry. Did you just end the article? Maybe it's in the article. Gee, bleep this out. Gee. Do not bleep that out. Gee. Gee. Do not bleep that. Do you have to? Because somebody said she asked me to be an article. He just texted me. This guy is fucking with us, dude. Is he on the, is he on here? We're not recording live. I feel like he's holding you the way you own flyers fans. And I don't like it. No, he's not. He's not. He is. He's not. He's been calling him right now. If he, if he, if empty beats them again this year, he's done. Like, I'm willing to do a retirement bet. Like I retire from Chicholta. He retires from covering the Vegas golden nights. He's the fucking client. Do it again. Go again. Go again. He might have had it on. I do not disturb. So we got Ryan Miller coming on now. Awesome interview. We tried doing this before we had some technical difficulties, but we got to sit down and talk. He didn't own a computer hour. Yeah, he didn't own computer. That was the technical difficulty. And I'll say this before we get in. I got a buddy here in Milton, Billy Bush. He coached riders. Milton team, his son Tyler's just an animal. He's a big time Buffalo Sabers fan. I think this was the 20th year in a row yesterday that a bunch of buddies went to a Sabers fan. They dress up. They have horse masks. They got fucking it. I'll show you the picture of these lunatics. We'll post this picture, but he was at the game last night. I'm sorry, Saturday night, a big win in the shoot out. They got it done. They were down to nothing. And I just said, wow, all the years you guys have been going and watching shit hockey. And now it's your time and all the Sabers fans who loved watching Ryan Miller and man, it's been a long time since they've been good. And I think Ryan Miller is just as happy as as a lot of these fans are for him. So we'll go to him right now. Very, very special guest right now, Jordan in the show, former Vezna Trophy winner. United States hockey Hall of Famer. Yeah, and business show in the Buffalo Sabers jersey had some amazing the years there. Ryan Miller, what's going on, buddy? What's up, boys? Happy to be here. We appreciate it. Long time. We actually tried to do this didn't work out. We had some problems with the technology. I think it worked out better because that was prior. No, we're actually going to release that 30 minutes of us trying to figure out his audio at to start the pod off. And then we're going to have a 30 mark. This is going to cut in. Yeah, I think that'll be perfect to show what you guys actually have to go through. There's a lot goes behind these podcasts. No, Rosie, I was more intrigued at the fact that you don't have a laptop. Yeah, I've been just rolling with the iPad. Hey, why switch it up is until there was never a problem until he tried to come on with us. And then it turned it turned into a disaster. But no, Rosie, where are you? Where are you living right now? Where are you at? Fill us in on your life currently. Life currently chasing kids in Newport Beach, California. So it's not that it's not that bad. No, it's it's been good. It's we loved this area when I played with the ducks. And I was already in LA, chased my wife, Noreen, Delay, around 2010, 11. And so we've been in that area for a while. And then LA was getting just a little little different, a little weird. So we made the play to come down here about three years ago. So it's been great. You couldn't convince her to move back to East Lansing. You know what? I feel like there's there's that thing you can't go home again type thing. I spent my first like probably eight years pro going back home and all my buddies left to start their careers are in either hockey or professionally in other industries. And then ironically I got myself together found found Noreen. We got married and then everyone moved back. It's like yeah, just a ton of guys are on there now. I would love to be around. But you know, we built our life out here. I can't beat the weather. So I'm going to have some fun. You got married late in your career, right? Like was that kind of by design? I know I played with some guys where it's what I said, dog veteran. Yeah, exactly. I think it's just how life kind of worked out. I think there was a point where my parents, you know, you're being from the Midwest, you know, like at a certain point, your signal and they're just really, really concerned. And so it's like every single one of their friends probably has a friend and they're talking about how you're still single. You're bringing like one guy buddy over to parties, just the fuck with them. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they just talking all their friends like, hey, you know, anybody you can send them up with. And actually ironic this kind of how it worked out. My dad's my dad's buddy was working as a director with with Noreen and we were out in Arizona, actually, we met in Arizona while we're on the road and he says, hey, you got to meet the cast and I was like, yeah, why am I going to do meet the cast? Why would I do that? He's like, well, you should probably meet Noreen. You know, I think you guys would have a lot in common. So he kind of set us up, which was pretty cool. We ended up going on our first date. And then next night we played the coyotes the day after and we won two nothing. So I know I knew that was probably they're the right decision, oh, you shot them all. to your aim. I'm out. I vote this this on works. I read that you're not superstitious though. Oh, yeah, a little stitious. Yeah, I don't remember you being that bad though, like not like a lot of I'm not like it's not like Pedro Serrano with the chickens and stuff like in major league, but like there's there's things that I would kind of have to do is just get my mind right. I think all of us being hockey players is how it goes right. You got to get your mind right. There's things that make you comfortable. I think a lot of the stuff you saw was just me probably throwing tennis balls off the wall and being real quiet and stuff. I don't know if people the most visible thing I do that is kind of out there is people see me go out to the ice and I got like a stick and I'm just kind of like running through like positive affirmations and visualizing what has to happen, but it looks like I'm talking to myself. So I guess it looks a little bit crazy, but there's a there's some behind it. You see a lot of goalies doing that now. Will you kind of one of the first guys to do that? I don't remember other guys doing it. I don't know. I think everybody just comes up with what's going to work for them. Mine is more like, you know, coming from like youth hockey when you're packed in a small locker room as the goal is I get out of here. Like there's just a bunch of, you know, add adolescent lunatics, you know, going crazy listening to whatever music and going off and I just need in a moment to kind of collect myself before I was going to go get hit with box. So I think that's kind of where it came from. So the Miller family for people who don't know like synonymous with Michigan State. I'm going to have to get the full list of how many Miller's have actually played there, but for you as a goalie, were you were you playing goalie from a young age? I'm always interested to hear like how you got into it. Like what made you play that position? And when you started, really? Yeah. Well, ironically, we were living in California as my dad was in the software industry. So we software industry started East Coast, like kind of Midwest and East Coast. So I lived in in Massachusetts for a minute too. So I learned how to skate in Massachusetts. What town? We were in how are we? I can't even remember, man. Like we were just outside Boston. And then we're in New Jersey for a bit. My brother drew was actually born in Jersey in like Dover area. It was like, and then we moved back to Michigan. Then we moved to California and found like the software kind of boom and lived in like San Jose Santa Clara area. I was a Santa Clara Black Hawk for a minute. The team's team's still around. Yeah. It's free wild. And then when we were out there, I just kind of got that itch. I've been exposed to watches in college hockey at Michigan State and loved watching the goalies really into like norm foster and Bobby Estons and like these guys were like the, you know, the big time goalies and for the team. And I was just really obsessed with watching them. And then when I kind of like got further along in hockey, I kind of forced my dad's hand as I really want to play goalie. And he's like, no, I was like, I really want to try. He's like, no, absolutely not. So I had like a little sit down strike on the bench. I was like, I'm not going out to play another second until I get to try goalie. How old are you at this point? Uh, probably about eight. Okay. And he made a deal. He's like, go, uh, you got to explore a hatchery. I can get three assists in a game. You can do it. And I had it done in like half a game. I was just like, okay. But he thought you might get me at least on that game because we're is the game and already started it. And he's like, well, this kid's not going to finish this. So I'll get him. And uh, I came back and just stared him down. And I guess he's just like, Oh, God. Here we go. That's wild. Uh, and how were you once you got started in that? And, and did part of the story have to do with you were frustrated with the goalie that you guys had in the net at the time? Yeah. Uh, yeah. I mean, a little bit like I, I mean, we were in California. It wasn't really a sport that growing up. Yeah. Like the sharks weren't even in the area. Yeah. Like actually, we were like canvassing for the sharks to go to San Jose, but when we're leaving, like going taking her wagon, door to door with papers to people of the, you know, pamphlets trying to sign them up and like, my brother and I going like, he hockey's amazing. You guys should definitely have a team here. And then we moved home to Michigan and then the sharks came like a couple of years later. So you're responsible for like celebrini basically. Yes. Wow. And I like to think so. Yeah. Yeah. All those. What are those like religious guys who go door to door? They probably thought you were like, like trying to sell bibles or something. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a different kind of religion. Yeah. Yeah. The whole of us witnesses. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. They saw us with our little red wagon. They probably knew better. Though it was pretty funny. Looking back on it. No, but yeah, like just hockey wasn't the thing. So my dad would kind of recruit from like the soccer field and baseball field. Like if I'm playing soccer or baseball, that kid is a good athlete. Hey, your kid want to try hockey? That's kind of how we built out the rest of the team. And so it was like, yeah, I mean, we didn't really know what we were doing. So I think I just got kind of like as a goalie kind of does. I got fixated. I'm like, Hey, like we got to stop goals. Like I want to try that unreal. And then how did you get so good then after that? Well, we moved back to Michigan shortly after that. My dad would pepper me with hawks trying to scare me off, but I think so. It was cool. Like I make one glove save and it just make my day or like hit me in the head and just be like, I still stayed out, you know, like, like. But my cousins like go back to what Whit was saying. Like we have a pretty rich hockey history. You know, my grandfather came in the 50s down to Michigan state. His brother came after him in the early 60s. And then my dad played in the 70s. My cousins, super. My my great uncles, kids who came in the Kelly, Kevin Kipmiller, all played NHL Kevin plays in Olympics. Kip was a hobby baker winner in in 91. And then I was a hobby baker in 2001. So like we have a pretty big history with Michigan state. You know, my two two more cousins from Calgary who came down and played then me and my brother. And that so I ended up 10 of us at Michigan state. Oh my god. And was Ron Mason there? Like he, I mean, how long did he coach there was 30 years? Yeah. So my dad put the last part of AMO Bisoni, who was like the original coach. Like my grandpa came down the 50s and played for him. And then, you know, Ron came on and had that long run and had had the rest of, had me. And then I left my brother had a calmly user for that stretch. I was just going to say I imagine you were a highly-toded, you know, prospect going into college. Was there any other chance you would go anywhere else? Or was Michigan state and in your family? It was a chance to live a dream, right? But it was at the time I wouldn't be a true freshman. I had to wait. So like I had buddies I played with who Adam Hall, Andrew Hutchison, John and Sonna, guys that were ahead of me. I played with or against some growing up and they are in the class ahead of me. So I waited a year, played another year at juniors, which is kind of normal now. Back then, you really wanted to be a true freshman. But so I waited a year. I could have gone to Clarkson. They offered me to be a true freshman out of North American league. I played it up in the Sioux St. Marie on the Michigan side. And yeah, so I had a chance to do it by, you know, the main thing that stood out to me is you got a chance to live a dream. And if you pass it up, it's kind of like a bad move. So I just was like, you know, I'll just hunkered on another year. You know, you you guys all see me. I'm not I'm not like the biggest stature person. I got some height now. But like I was I was by foot eight on my my first driver's license, right? And I was like 15 pounds. So like I need a time. Yeah, you got the height. You never gained a ton of weight, I would say, but you did you did get the height. Back then, I think that you were probably above average height, though, when you came into the NHL, right? Like it was still okay to have smaller goalies. Yeah, it's probably those extra few inches I put on. I got the draft. I think they have me listed a sixth one. But I think I was I was six two already by then as a gulf, like half an inch taller. But yeah, I think I was probably a little bit on the taller side. And now I'm probably right at average or below now. It's so big. Boys are so big. Did your lack of size force you to like get better at skating? I'm like, how did you kind of evolve as a gold tender? Because when you're big, you can kind of just front pox. But when you're smaller, you have to be a great lateral mover. Yeah, yeah, for sure. My dad likes to point out like, sometimes he would be at games and like people would comment on my style when I was really young, because I would be like like seven feet out of the crease and just like right next to the guy I'm breakaways. And like, like this style changed a lot too, right? So like, probably couldn't play quite as aggressively as a kid now. Like the kids are so good now. Like they're probably running the backdoor plays and like all that stuff now. But like back then I could really just skate and move. I think it definitely helped to be more of a positional skating gold tender and then getting some size, you know, having used my hands a lot as a kid too. Like having to really reach for stuff and like understand how to use my hands, I think that helped a ton. But as you get taller and bigger and, I mean, it's not a skill you can. can just turn on like a light switch. It's something like, you know, working with San Jose as a scout in the development guide now, like, I mean, that's what we're looking at. Like, can this player, you know, be a complete player? And you see a lot of guys who just train themselves into the dance steps of moving this goal, and then just kind of getting hit 'cause they're in a position, you know. NHL doesn't always work out clean. You gotta be adaptable as you guys know from all the other positions. - Taking a moment getting away from your career, I'm wondering 'cause we've talked about this the past two years a lot. The consistency and inconsistency of goal-tending now in the NHL, where you see guys had these incredible years in the next year, like, they just struggle, and then you struggle, and then you're phenomenal the next year. You were pretty consistent. Like, in terms of what you've seen now, what creates the issue in terms of like, some guys just really battling year to year? - I wish I knew, man, then I would have the formula. I think the parody and the league is just part of that, 'cause you're not seeing too many teams that fall off. I know we have some teams you talk about when it comes to playoff time. Like, all these guys are out, but it's just kind of like, I mean, there's such tight races, and the skill is just at such a high level. I mean, you're getting exposed for different kind of shots, where, you know, I think you can get away with a little bit more, you know, going back 10, 15 years, where, like, you can clog things up, you can take away certain situations. I know coming out of the lockout, you know, 405, they really started calling stuff, but even when you really look back, like, how easy it became to kind of like, get back to some of the hooking, holding, pushing out from the net. I mean, it was still part of the culture, and now I just think some of the situations, some of the goalies find themselves in, it's just like, oh my God, that was just an amazing play. And oh my God, that was just an amazing shot. Like, it's, it's so, the guys are still good now. They're just trained from young age to just know how to score. - And the sticks too. - Would it have driven you nuts at the, maybe the lack of starts a starter get now? 'Cause I feel like you were one of those guys where it's like, fuck you, like Patrick Wom mentality, that's my net, so would it be a little bit more difficult for you in today's age during your peak years? - Yeah, probably. I mean, culturally it was just different. Like, I remember I, in juniors, I had a tough stretch and I kind of told the coach, I didn't want to start one night and he was a former goalie and he was just kind of like, what the hell are you doing? You never, ever, to that, like, what are you doing? And I was like, okay, well, he's like, he's like, yeah, okay, you're not in tonight. And if he plays well, you're not in the next one too. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's a good point. And then so I was just kind of put that mentality in my mind like, okay, like you got to figure this out. And you got to be ready to roll and you got to stay in the net. And I think it's helpful. Culturally, I think it's changed a little bit. The NHL guys are really aware of how they need to be feeling, be at their peak. But I do think there is a lot to be said about guys who can really roll with it. And cause in come playoff time, you want to have a guy who's feeling it. I mean, that's, that's been such a big difference in the playoffs. So, so often it's like when the guy is really feeling it's two months of hockey, you're not in the break. Like, could you do it? You have to be able to practice that at some point of sustained, like sustained game play. So I understand why they have the rest, but like, I love to be in the net. I think one year I played like 76 games one year. - Cold as shit. - That's amazing. - Yeah, the thought of that now is like, that'll never happen again. It's like, it's why there's so many like records that'll just never be touched based on how much the position has changed. But I'm wondering like, for your career at Michigan State, you came in, I mean, you were like a one three goals against your freshman year. Like, I know you were kind of split and starts then. Then the following year, it was just incredible. You know, one, three, two, nine, 50, you win the Holy Baker, but you went back to school. And it's now that's kind of shocking. I think, I guess Augustine's back at his junior right now at Michigan State. Maybe he's looking at what you did is some sort of, you know, future way to look at his career. But I'm wondering your thought process on going back or did Buffalo not think you were ready? Like, that's kind of balsy, I feel like. - Yeah, it was, it was kind of a mixed. You know, Hasek was there and then they had Mika, Norton, and Marty Beron were first round picks in different years as goalies. So I mean, you know, going off of what they knew was like, I was a fifth round pick. They got two first round goalies that not, you really had the full opportunity and trying to be realistic. Yeah, I had a great college career, but I don't know that they maybe felt that way about college back then. - Okay. - So like the, the dilemma was, I felt ready, but what could another year get stronger in my situation? Like we talked about, like I'm not a very big guy. Like I made a lot of good strides in college getting stronger and I was ready to be an Americanly goalie and push for the NHL my first year. I knew I could play an American league and I could push for the NHL and I did. I ended up playing about 16 or so games. I think that first year and I, I don't know, it all worked out really well and it was a lesson in patience for sure. Like every, every young player thinks they're ready. Every, every draft pick thinks they're gonna bust down the gate. But when you're not playing against your peers and you're playing just against the best of the best and you're playing against men, like there are a lot of lessons to learn and I don't think you can just take on lessons like a fire hose. Like you can't just be like, okay, just hit me with it. I'm ready to learn. It's like if you have to absorb everything the right way or else you're not gonna sustain. So it all kind of worked out as it should and you know, it was a good decision. I had time to kind of prep myself and you know, because it's really the internal battle first was in the organization. Like I got a car about a spot and I got to show them I can play. Like it wasn't about being like, okay, I did it at this level. You guys make room for me. It's like, I got to be realistic. - Earlier on you mentioned like positive thinking. When did all that start and like at a young age were you trying to manifest all this stuff? Like you know, even in the summertime were you like hardcore like trying to develop nonstop only a certain amount of rest training six days a week? Like what was it like leading in to trying to get to where you were? - I think as a really young kid, we had seasons. Like my dad would let us play both my brother and I and my brother played in the NHL for a long time and he would make us play seasonally. Like okay, you get like one more spring tournament than it's summertime. Like you guys are playing baseball, doing something else. Like there's four of us in our family with four kids and you can't just be running around for 12 months out of the year when you have four kids. It's a responsibility to kind of spread the attention around a little bit and when you've got two kids who end up playing triple A hockey and then tune your hockey, even college hockey, it's like there's enough there already. I think we didn't really transition to like full full time until more than our teenage years, like 14, 15. Like for a random time, like I don't know, we had the select stuff starting at 15 and then they moved away from that until like more towards the NDTP. I said that backwards, sorry. - No, that was right, that was right, NTT program. - Something like that. When that kind of came on, the select stuff changed a little bit but that was all before, I think my age group was the first national team development program, age group. So yeah, I think around that 15-year-old year, I think more serious, 'cause we had a lot more summer stuff and then the 16-year-old year, I think we had some Colorado stuff at USA hockey and you'd go by your sections and get invited based on how you played in your region. So like, as I started getting exposure to that, I think that's when the full time stuff kicked in. And being exposed to my cousins became before me. Like, can't discount the fact. I got to see them and they were kind of, I feel like they were kind of like, my cousin Kelly, for sure, inspired his younger brother's Kevin and Kip because he was a year-round, he's a dog and a ball and he played like almost 1200 games, I think, in the NHL and funny part about him is he didn't play in the American League until he was coaching and they needed somebody to play when he was coaching the American. So he played his first American League games after he'd already retired and started coaching. But he was a hard worker, man. And I think he just kind of knew he'd have to do extra and he did extra and we got to kind of witness it. And we were old enough kind of philosophy. I took when I was running in Pro Skates or doing anything where I would run the ice time is they were awesome. Like if you could hang, you could practice. That was the culture we had. Like, come out, we'll show you how to do it. but we're doing our stuff, you kids, my brother and I, you guys have fun, but we're gonna, now I can take these guys. You gotta try everything we do, we gotta work hard. And it was at a time when I don't think a lot of people were doing that 100% year round. So we just saw them do it and we're like, oh, that works. So we started, we got old enough, we started doing it. Now all the kids do it. So, who knows? - So take us into like getting into the NHL. That first year pro, you get 16, 15 games, whatever it was. - Was Baron and who was the other first round pick? Norton and Norton? - Yeah, Mika Norton. - Were they still, obviously Baron was still around, but had they made a trade or was it, how did you end up kind of winning that job really? - Well, I think Samika would get sent down. I'd come up with a Margie and then we had a long stretch where I think, I think my record is pretty much 500-ish. You know, it was still a transitional time for the Sabers and trying to find our way a little bit. And yeah, it's kind of more than like November through like February and then back to the American League and that we had these and showing the playoffs that year. And then yeah, it was nice to get a taste. Like it felt good to get an opportunity and really inspirational and I just took it to the next season to work my ass off in the summer and I could win the job. And I did out of camp, but I won the job, started the first two games, had an unfortunate second game with sense of the minors and then get back up for quite a long time. - Yeah. - And it happened. - What's the incident? - No, no, just like didn't, didn't win. - And then the walk-out later, right? - Yeah, and then the next year was full lockout and actually probably helped me the most because I had a place to play. I was in the American League of starting. We had a great team. We had, you know, we had Amonville, Roy, Vannick, Gossad. - Oh my God. - Like in the A? - In the A. We had veterans. It was, we were one of the best teams. The year prior, we'd gone to the conference final and that year we won the league, I think. And we, uh, two years in a row ran into a hot weighed flirty. - Goddamn it, Wade. - Oh my God, the guy in Milwaukee. - Yeah, he got us two years in a row. He got traded or something, signed with somebody else. One year he beat us and he beat us the next year. - I think he, they beat Wilkes in the final of the one year. - I lost to him and called the couple of months. - Yeah. - The year before the lockout. - As a year. Yeah, he got us that year. And then you think he got us the next year. - Anybody who was incredible. - Yeah, he was on fire. - He got NHL games too, didn't he? - Oh yeah, well, he played a lot prior to that. - Right, yeah, he's a little more old school. This is an old, wild, veteran. Do you have a draft story? Do you have like a funny draft story or anything like that? - Boston was, Boston was my year. We came out to Boston, I was, we were getting pretty good until like maybe I go second round. That's when they did everything at once still. And they're like, hey, looking pretty good for a second round. I had a couple of skulls interested who were like, it's my, I got, I got to pick this year. You're, I were, we're grabbing you. And if I sat around and sell the fifth round. And like, I think my brother was just bored out of his mind. My grandpa and my dad came along and brother was bored out of his mind. And he's just messing with me. And I literally remember like Buffalo's table turning around to kind of look up. And like my brother's just like, you know, he's, almost four years younger than me. So he's like, just about 14. And he's just like, just screwing around. It's like, and then they announced my name and the cuts go down and meet them. It was pretty cool. It was fun. But about time, buddy, it was just kind of like, it's a good checkpoint. I was always, it was always good that people around me are very realistic and super supportive. But it's also like, hey, you gotta draft this great. It's a checkpoint. If your part is something, work your way into it. And it was cool to have somebody, a team to root for. And, you know, these sabers had just gone to the finals and lost to Dallas and they're all fired up at that draft. So that was pretty interesting. Even that year, the lockout year, and I know Whits talked about it, like all the best players were. The younger best players in the league were down their plane that it was such a good league to play in. For you and your confidence going forward knowing that you were probably going to be in the NHL the next year, it must have been huge for you to play in that type of schedule in the minors. Yeah, no, I recognize the opportunity. Like, I knew what it meant. The NHL boys aren't playing. The two guys that had in me thought it was going to be half year lockout and they're going to be back so they didn't do anything. And then they had to scramble to find ice time. I knew that I had the advantage. It was well on my mind that I was in the driver's seat if I could just connect. And I mean, I kind of clicked with our team that year in regular season and we had a decent playoff run. I mean, we've really nice lessons. I mean, we're learning how to win together, learning how to play as a group, going into some playoff runs three years in a row down there. And, yeah, I knew what it meant. And I'm happy I was able to take advantage of it. You just mentioned that playoff run so you didn't get an opportunity to cross over with Hashek. Did you get the meetup maybe in your first training camp or was you already gone by then? Now, he was gone back then too, like, you know, being in college and committed to college, you couldn't just come to camp. Like, I think there was a way to like pay your own way, but it's also like, for me, it was like, well, not signed. And there's not a lot of development facts in here. I never really remember talking to them about anything about my game, even like, even like right. - Here's your jersey. - It's pretty much like two years. - It's like the definitely the jungle back then. It's like, okay, you survived, congrats. Here's a contract. And it's like, if you don't survive, like, see you later. Like, it's, now I think we recognize the investment you make and it's like the draft picks are worth X amount of dollars, right? Like, they have a whole algorithm what every single draft picks worth and how it values in a trade and all this stuff. So it's like, there's value there. You have to like protect your investment. So we do a lot more now. But back then, it was just kind of like, oh, good. Looks like you're doing pretty well, bud. All right. We'll give you a shot now. So. - Well, people don't believe, like, younger guys, I'm like, well, I was drafted by Pittsburgh. We had no rookie camps. We had nothing like it. Like you said, like, people don't believe it now. - When your owner was on the team. - Now you, you leave the draft now. I think you go directly to a rookie camp. It's like, there's no. And now, it's like, see you later, buddy. Good luck. - I gotta say thanks to my parents. No, we're on the plane now. - Yeah, pretty much. Like, honestly, yeah. We got, and we got guys, if they're, if they're European, I mean, hopefully they can quickly give the visa and show up for a development camp. Yeah, that's how it goes. - That Buffalo team, though, that you guys ended up forming. And you mentioned, like, Derek Roy, Vanneck, Palmmanville, like, big parts that were a part of the run in Rochester. When did you guys realize you had something special there? And more importantly, especially now for fans, like, you must have been amazed at the Buffalo Sabers fan base and how crazy the building was. And once you guys started having success, it's like, holy shit, this is what I'd kind of heard about coming in. - Yeah, no, I mean, it's a hockey-crazy city. I mean, it's a big part of the culture of all of Western New York. I think just the fans in Rochester are great. Like, we had good teams and there's a pride behind that history of that team, you know, separate from the Sabers. And their own history, how they built themselves up. And the affiliation has been great. It went away for a little while, but bringing it back and locking it down has been huge, you know, that's two parts of Western New York that you got to have. And when you kind of start to click in, like, the history and the fans and like, it really is amazing that I got to play there, honestly. Like, it just kind of fit my style, my personality, what I'm comfortable with. And I think the reputation of like Buffalo and Western New York, you kind of, it's nothing until you experience it. And experience the real pride people have, the passion they have, and how genuine the people are. Like, if you're willing to be a part of their community, I mean, you're in. Like, and it's give take, right? Like, they're gonna give you everything you got. If you can give something to them, like, it's amazing. So like, that's, that was like the way I really felt connected. And I think it really helped me play there. I felt like, wow, I can contribute to them on the ice, but I also was trying to do stuff off the ice and go out in the community and help out where I could, but also just get out, just be social and just make friends and be around. And, and that's, and that was a big part of it. Like, you felt like connected. And then when there was that much buzz and we were that good, like, that's what kind of, I think, put everything over the top. Like, that's why we're able to do all that. And I went to the Sabers game last night. They were in talent play, Anaheim. and. And that's case scenario went to over time. Perfect for me. But I was talking to some of the boys and some of the coaching staff and the trainers and they're just like, Melzie, it's back. And I was just like, that's awesome. Like everywhere you go, people are just wearing the gear over lunch. People are just talking to the neighbors. Like, it's back. It's awesome. - That's amazing. You had Lindy there and the fact that he's there again right now is crazy. - Yeah, he's still doing it. But like, back then the coaches weren't as, you know, playing tummy sticks with the goalies. Like if the goalie let in some bad goals, they were getting reamed out. You ever have any run-ins with Lindy? - Oh yeah, yeah. Lindy, the great part of Jim Corsi was their goalie coach there and he's one of the nicest human being ever. Like I couldn't say more about him. He invented Corsi biz. - No shit, eh? - His thought process inspired it. Yeah, he had a thought about it and it ended up being developed surrounding his thought process. But yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy's just so nice and he would act like a buffer. It was great 'cause like, Jimmy could take an earful and then he'd come smiling over, you know. But once in a while, you know, Jimmy had to go do other stuff 'cause you know, back in the day it was pretty much, you were lucky to have a full-time goalie coach. Honestly. Jimmy would be back and forth a little bit between Montreal and his other duties. So sometimes we lose Jimmy for a few days here and there and you're just like, "Oh, where's my good cop?" - Yeah, like, "Oh God, just. " - Is that what you guys are using, Razer? - Yeah, I don't know. Razer and Lindy, I don't know. They had some fireworks back in the day too. So I'm sure he mentioned that to you guys. But yeah, no, if Jimmy wasn't in town and something happened, like a short-side goal of any kind, like it was both goalies pulled in and you're getting the talk into and then you just kind of thank God, you know, like a, you know, had he will lean or eat your egg amendment, like, "Hey, like. " All right, let's go talk. I'm going, you guys gotta be better. What the hell is it? And you just point all the stuff out of your lake. - Yeah, probably, yeah, okay, great. And just try to get out without speaking too much and let him find somebody else to yell at. - That's awesome. - But yeah, Jimmy was an awesome buffer and he's a great human, so. - Has Lindy tamed down at all? 'Cause like, the new age kids, it's gotta be different coaching. - Yeah, I talked to him on last night. He was laughing 'cause I came in and things are going really well, obviously, but he's like, "Milzie, I don't even go in the room after games." And I was just like, all right, I just was like, I've seen everything I acted like I was walking out of the room. Like, I was like, "Yeah." He was like, "No, no, I don't go in anymore," right? He's like, "I've learned." I was like, "Oh, and that's great. Can you use that?" - I could've used that a couple times. - Glad you learned, but now it's, I mean, just like players, coaches have to evolve. And I'm glad Lindy's able to evolve and have another shot at it. 'Cause ultimately he was a good coach for us and there's different era and for all like, people like to talk about Lindy being a snap show once in a while and stuff. He was passionate and he wanted you to be accountable. And I think that when you really get down to the best teams, I mean, you have to have that. So you want it. So what, you know, why not? - It's been a pretty crazy like 10-day span where three trainers have celebrated 2,500 games. And you mentioned you went down and talked to the trainers, George Babcock, is that his name? - Yeah, George, he was awesome. - He just had his 2,500. When the camera was on him, you could tell he didn't really like the shot. He was like, "No, no, no, no." But what was he like? And were you a guy that would show up all your early and basically be a trainer yourself? - Oh yeah, I was a training room rat. Like me and George, you would sit on the old German sewing machine and like, fix stuff all the time. So like, they got the same sewing machine in Buffalo that I would use. And like, we would just sit around and build stuff. 'Cause George, he's already the builder, man. He's into engines and he's into like cars and dirt bikes and ski do's and like all that stuff. And he's just a hilarious guy. He's kind of nuts. He'll do anything to get the boys gone. I think one year he came in before playoffs and he was riding on our Chuck Garlo as our massage guys' shoulders. Right before we played Philly for like game six or something, we could finish the series. He came in as shoulders and just, I think, yeah, Chuckie just launched him off his shoulders into the table of Gatorade and all this stuff. He just smoked it all over everybody right before the lineup read. And just stuff like that came in. I think he came in a couple of times with his hands on fire with put alcohol. I'm lit his hands on fire and just start reading the line up and doing crazy stuff and just, he's an absolute beauty. And we've had so much fun with him over the years. He's got a samurai sword down his throat. I was, I didn't be surprised. He's classic though. He would bring empty crates on the road like the big boy crates. And he fudged the weight on it on the way out. So that on the way back, he could go on eBay and buy a motorbike in some random city. And he'd have it broken down piece by piece and put in the crate on the plane. Blake. - What a venture to get ahead of the weight, eh? - Oh, and he's the pay for the shipment. - Oh, he's amazing, it's hilarious. - That is so good. - Sharjie's great, he deserves it. - What's the most interesting thing he's built? - Oh, he just repairs house like cool stuff. - What's your set? - No, he's internet. - Yeah, he'd show up and help us out though. I think he helped me in Gaustead one year 'cause he had, we were like, hey, do you bring the equipment truck by? We can use it to move out of our house. - Sure, I'm sure. - He's like, he's like, yeah, I'll be over. So he's awesome. He takes care of the boys. He looks out for everybody. - That's awesome. In those years of having some really good teams in Buffalo, I mean, the one thing that's crazy is when you lost game seven to Carolina, I think you guys had one defenseman left playing. Correct me if I'm wrong there, but in those teams. - Soupie, right? - Yeah, it was just soupie, I think. - Soupie was playing, yeah. - Was people in Newman installing a team then? Or no, that was when like Jay McKee was there. - Jay, we had a staff infection, almost died. Like, yeah, he was close to losing his legs. They did a test on him. Or like, okay, we gave you the antibiotics and they got like, they're measuring out where his, like this mark is on his leg. Like, the infection kind of shows up in a way, like one part's more red or whatever than the rest. And they're like, okay, we did the antibiotics. We got the line in you. So if this rises up to this point in the next hour, we have to take your leg or something like that. - Yeah, in the next hour? - Yeah, so you had to sit there and pray that the infection climb is like any further. Right before we were playing game seven, did he come back after that? - Yeah, he went, next year he signed with St. Louis, I think. But so, yeah, I mean, he had to be on antibiotics for quite a while, but like, just something random. I think he blocked a shot, like, but the series are two prior. And he was eventually just got infected, or I don't know. - You guys had a good deed, like it was, so Henrik Talender, Tony Lutman, Smogcheck, Nathan Page, Numinin, Demetri, he was at Collinan. - Collinan, yeah. - Collinan, yeah, and all those guys were down. - Yeah, Collinan was one of the more undercover guys you'd ever really know. Like, he's just solid at everything, great defenseman. Yeah, we were down. I think Doug E. Janet played his first NHL game, he scored. I think we were up two to one, going in third. Like, we were just hanging on by our skin of our teeth there and just got away from us. But, yeah, that was kind of devastating, you know, like we had, and we lost him calmly earlier in that playoff. You got hit cross and got crossed off and got hit out with the concussion. I mean, that's the guy right there where I think we even just having Timmy. Like, he was leading, leading the league and playoff points that up until that point and like, he was a machine. I would love to see what he could have done. And I think it's almost haunting. Like, Timmy is a great friend. I think we go way back, like we would play against each other here and there growing up and to get a chance to play with each other and his level of skill is just beyond. - Imagine him now. - No. - We said, we interviewed him last year. It's like this guy. - I don't know. - I played in the Hall of Fame game in Toronto just before some of the inductions a couple of years ago and Timmy came out to play. And he hadn't really done much except like pushpucks around and coach the kids and do some stuff. And like, he was absolutely dangling out there. And I know it's like a Hall of Fame game, you know what's this? But when you really like you're watching them, I was just like, oh my God, he's still so good. He never practices, this is insane. He's just so good. If, I mean, yeah, but that's the hard part about the cut, man, it's got to really kind of come to you. you and I do wish we could have won, honestly, it's everybody does, but it has to kind of come to you and you have to, it has to be your time and just wasn't our time. We, we, uh, we had a really good team of, you know, you also have to have the healthy team that I'm kind of make it. So just that sucks. What was maximum offent again, I have like, I always look back to like, guys talk about his gear wear like he's one of the sleeker looking players ever. I kind of had that beret vibe. Very sweet ankles like section pads, perfect size pants, just fucking zipping around out there. Yeah. He's got tailored, right? Like, uh, the tailored look. Yeah, he's awesome. You could just hear his skates hitting the ice like just so hard to like just, he, it was fine. I got to catch up with him with like bunch of boys got together in January. We saw a lot of the guys I actually bumped into you. Yeah. Yeah. When we saw you in Buffalo, uh, yeah, I was getting my ass spanked by Rob Ray and he was coming to celebrate their 20th year. Tailor Piot was there. You guys had an awesome. I used there. Yeah. That was awesome to see. I had seen a lot of those guys in forever, but yeah, Maxie was there and we spent some time. Actually, their, their flight was later, so they stuck around. We went out to watch the bills play off game because I wanted my son to be able to watch amongst the bills faithful. Got him hooked up with the jersey to watch and then this, when that interception got called and I was just like, uh, check, please. We're on it. I think I don't want my fun to see what's about to happen. We got to get out the side door here quick, but Maxie came out with us and with Demetri Colleen in and so get to see those guys a little longer. They're they're awesome. They were such good players. Maxie was a hilarious, uh, just with his accent and stuff. We just go in my hard time about everything. Just like, I think one time like on the bench, you just started drinking this random thing. We're like, what's he like, what's he doing? You're like, you kind of figure out for a while. He's got like this steaming hot drink at the end. We're just like, what's he doing? He was like drinking just straight sugar water. It was like warmed up like, he said, Maxie, what is that? He's like, is sugar water? We're like, what is sugar water? I think what sugar water? Oh, okay. So he just had a lot of fun with him, man. He's, he's hilarious. That's awesome. Who was like the clown in the room? Like, I got to know Derek Roy a little bit. He's hilarious, but I didn't I didn't know what the room was like in terms of like entertainment. Oh, yeah. Well, you'd like to know. So Andrew Peters is probably the guy who kept it real loose. feedies, feedies, Austin is a good friend. We check in all the time. He said, I'm a one side of me for a while. I don't know. I just have a special place in my heart for guys. You do that kind of job. That's probably why I can tolerate Paul. You know, it's just it's a hard job and there's certain personalities that can that can kind of rise out of it. And feedies, one of those guys for me. I just really proud of him too. He's got he's done a great job post hockey and he's just had a little daughter here right around the holidays. So he's got he's got his son. He's just a little bit older my son. He's just having the daughter. So he's he's doing great. And you know, he's a fun guy. What do you remember about when he fought Emory in that night? Because that game was insane. That was nuts. I wasn't I wasn't starting that game. Thank God or else I would have to go down there. But I was on the bench in Marty Berron going down there who's he wasn't much bigger than me and going after Ray who I remember Ray from I had to play against me American League all the time and like I think I made peace with Ray very early because like I heard all the rumors. Oh yeah, because like he had obsessed with boxing and like he talked about how he trained all the time. I'm just like this is I got to play this guy like 12 times a year in the American League. So like and of course like one of our games this guy took a run at me and I kind of sidesteped on me. He hit himself in the crossbar. He's like bleeding all over and I didn't know he'd hit the I turned around and I kind of grabbed and like gave him some shots because he's trying to kill me like I can't even like full speed and blew the net out but he blew himself up. And I got a match penalty right away because they thought I blockered them in the in the face or something. And Ray was already kicked out for suspension. I got kicked out, got dressed. I go up in the stands to watch and Ray is like right down there. So I went over and sat by Ray. I didn't hit him, man. Yeah, in Rochester and up in the corner and I just sat by him and we're like I was like I should probably go talk to him. And so I went down and talked to Ray and kind of made peace very early. And then they reviewed the tape. I didn't get suspended because the guy smoked himself and but I didn't didn't have to face off of the ray. But like yeah, thank God it was Marty though because you see the video and he's smiling. Like he's like yep, you know, Marty, a pretty good job of staying away from the from the fist and somehow did like a jujitsu move to like legs away from her sometimes. But he survived that and then you know, PD comes in and goes toe-to-toe with him really. And I think that's one of those those moments from that season where you're kind of just like, okay, this is a we're a group. We're a team. Everybody sticks up for each other. And we're also pretty good a good at hockey. So it was fun. Emory was laughing during it too. That's when I was like, all right, this guy, this he's legit like smiling, squaring off with a heavyweight in the NHL. That was incredible. He always had boxers on his helmet. I remember it was like not even like nothing to do with hockey. Just have like Muhammad Ali or Joe Fraser and as I'm like, this guy's looking for a fight every game. Yeah. And that's why I made T-cell them very early. What about the memories in terms of the luchich incident? Because I mean, it was a full on like goalie outside the crease. I'm treating this like a defenseman. I'm going to run him over. I remember you were furious. Did you throw your helmet at him if I was nervous to ask that. I wasn't going to ask that question. I had to ask about it. Oh my helmet. I had luch coming on. Happy you did. Yeah. Luch coming on. Now helmet went flying off. I took a swing at him kind of half-ass. I'm, what am I going to do? Fight luchich. I'm not fighting them. I was just kind of pissed because he's got like 70 pounds on me. And I was just kind of like really, but I made eye contact with him, which is why I said, okay, I got eye contact. He's not going to kill me, right? And yeah, I guess I was wrong, but yeah, I don't know. It didn't feel very good. But he started asking with. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm going to get like 10 tweets of people being like, why the fuck didn't you ask him about that? But I'm like, what, you know, he's probably going to be like, well, what do you want me to say? I got fucking ran over by a truck. We've all been ran over by him, though. I got. I got. I made eye contact with that. You were fucking fuming in that post game. You were fuming, dude. Yeah. I kind of regret that. It doesn't remember any of it, though. No, I know. I do regret kind of going back because it's kind of like, what does that even do? You know, like, you just, you just pissed off. And like for me in the situation, like, it's like, when am I ever getting in a situation where I can do anything about it? It's like watching it again. He's like, he's doubling down. He's Paul. He follows through it. It's with me in the video. No, no, no, buddy. Are you kidding me? You're being. You're being me right now. Dude, you're pulling a biz right now. I'm doing that. No, dude. Hey, this guy got with a silver metal in the Olympics. Yeah. This is how he's treating him. Exactly. Buddy, buddy. I don't like seeing it. No, I would have been grabbing luches gloves after the sprub. He would have been here. Here. Here you go. Sorry, my goalie ran into you. Okay. Well, we can talk about Olympics then because Mills, I'll tell you throughout the second half or second and third period of this year's Olympics when we won, or, you know, USA won. I just kept thinking and I think I set it on our stream. Like, this is what Miller did. This is what Miller did. Like, it was, it was eerily similar, right? Like, you had to be thinking, like, oh my god, like, I was just, I was just somehow keeping us alive and then obviously it ends the wrong way, but that had to be the best hockey you ever played. I've never seen anything like it until hella buck this year. Obviously, it was, it was fun. It was, I just kind of threw it back to like growing up as like hockey's the challenge sport. Like, it's meant to be played in tournaments in different situations and you know, it's not always just like, hey, let's grind for 80 some games and grind through playoffs. It's like, there's other situations to play and I always love that about growing up. You had a bunch of tournaments to play. So a little bit different format in the Olympics for us and I was just looking forward to it. So it was great experience with, you know, with you guys and hella fun listening to you and bugsy chatting up all the time. That was, that was a core memory for me from the Olympics is just hearing the chatter from you guys constantly. It's pretty funny. What do you remember from that specifically if you don't mind letting the audience know? It's the torture in me and then me doing his voice. Yeah, fuck them all over. Pretty much that. Yeah. I just thought it was it's great. We had a great mix of guys and we they were willing to like kind of like Get the room like Where needed to be not loose, but like hey, let's like have fun with this like I Think even from the top down from management wise like Berkey set us up In a good way mentally like Helen us the whole time like you guys are fricking good enough to win go win, but then kind of in the media like You know, we'll see how we do like we're kind of underdogs, you know can't is so good and like this team is you got some young guys and some veterans We'll see how we do like behind the scenes like pumping our tires and be like You guys can win like go do this. So I Don't know I thought it was great. And we got like we caught fires. It was great tournament. It was a lot of fun and Fricking sucks to lose at the end there, but it's something where I don't know about you wit, but like I got more emotional when they won this year, and I thought I would like me too It wasn't like oh my god tears are raining down, but I was just kind of like good Good for that. I was so happy for them. And then I got a little jealous Which you had more of a right to be like you had such an impact I mean you were MVP the Olympics. So it was like were you not? Yeah, I got MVP the tournament Yeah, you were McDavid before McDavid. No, but it was crazy that it was before yeah before that game ended I was like this can't happen again like it and and when you say like emotional about it I was like we just had like we had to be Canada and finally happened. So I know what you're saying, but going into the tournament Had you talked to Berkey or Ron Wilson about like did you know you were the starter because you know at that point Tim Thomas he was playing great hockey. They hadn't won the Cup yet, but were you like going in like I'm not sure what's going on Or had you been told prior now Ron called me during our Super Bowl party. Okay, and it was like hey like to stay your head right You're gonna be starting to your net and kind of like You got to go do it and it kind of helped having the knowledge that we had Timmy and Jonathan Jonathan quick In a way, it's kind of like there is this pressure, right like you want to succeed you want to do well you represent the whole country I got the I got the first crack out If I if I fuck it up I got some really good guys you can come in like it's helped a little bit right like I wanted to play And I wanted to win I want to do well and I've prepared myself and I I ramped up for it You know, I planned out my entire year around it training rest Focus like wind is like push wind to like so I could peek at the right time and and I was dialed and But I knew if I if I screwed up like Tim he's a really good goalie Johnny's a really good goalie and we're still a really good team. So Yeah, no, it was it was a awesome tournament and I think it was awesome in Vancouver too Like how great was that city set up at that time like that's also what I remembered a lot of was just we had a lot of afternoon games And the chance to kind of go off with the boys or the families and just be around the city and just It made it feel like we were part of the Olympics instead of like sitting around all day wait to play Okay, we play then we go to sleep and then we train this kind of like you have these hours afterwards to feel like you're an Olympian So it was pretty cool. That's awesome. Yeah, and also time you leave the ring. It's 11 o'clock Like I think there's nowhere to go eat like you got to hold hopefully something stays open where you guys Wait, you were kind of confused. You didn't remember whether you'd stayed in the athlete village I do remember where you guys stayed You don't remember when you stayed the whole time you did Yeah, we had we talked yeah, wait time all time all here We talked about it like a I remember like at the time and you think I think we I think I did Oh, I think I thought where I stayed buddy fucking seven D on the Olympic team. Well, I Don't know where I think we might have to go back and check the tape melsey Hey buddy, I'll tell you right now I never fucking wonder because I was at the McDonald's 24/7 open at the cafeteria every night Don't you be saying that I didn't know where I stayed in Vancouver. I love this shit. Yeah I was the buggy boy. Should you do it though. I was at the village of coming in drunk Getting a snack go to bed But melsey's right. I mean it was it was it was like we had a bunch of noon games with three o'clock games And you didn't play for three days. It was like a full-on now I don't think everyone was behaving the same way, but I mean canner was out I it was a legit scene after a game. I'd be like all right Ron Wilson have fun boys skate tomorrow at noon It was unbelievable. No, yeah, it it was fun because then we got to experience it I think it helped the kind of team we had I think it helped that team You know to be around it. I think the USA they made the right decision on this year too like stay around it Feed off the energy Like I think that kind of sub makes it different so you gotta you can't isolate yourself all the time I think sometimes need a little extra boost and never know where it can help and Yeah, so I was I was happy for the the boys this year really happy and like I said really jealous to because like that would have been Just such an amazing feeling watching them just throw their gloves off chuck their helmets in the air and just Get out on the ice like that. That was amazing be a kid again Yeah, and the cool part was that we were watching it from the ring my song had a game that morning and they were due on the ice and we were like okay like Boys is it's gonna go to overtime. They okay go get dressed quick and then like they got dressed and like everyone's watching on phones or watching on TV's and a lobby and stuff and then They they scored like five minutes before the game is supposed to start so we're just like you guys just got the city US win a gold medal now you get to play hockey. Let's go No, no, he's okay. He's played mainly like center left wing nice and Millsie I I like to talk about when you were traded to St. Louis had to be super emotional I mean did you know like all right puff flows in a different spot now like how did that all come about and how hard was it for you to Kind of say goodbye because it's one thing to say goodbye in the summer signing somewhere But it was midseason all of a sudden you're in a different room. Yeah, that was harder than I thought it was gonna be You can kind of feel it coming in a way. I think the year prior they kind of Said okay. Well, it sounds like you want to get traded. I was like well. I didn't really Ask for a trade. I was just kind of like what's the plan and They had come to me at one point and said they wanted to kind of base a contract off me staying around But I wanted to know more about what that would entail and without Going into it too deep La Fontaine was there at the time and I was dealing more with him and then he wasn't and That's still don't really know exactly what happened as he's never talked about it and no one with Buffalo really talked about it And it just seemed like the direction they were gonna go was gonna be a full kind of rebuild and I think at that time I didn't Really understand where they were gonna be going with it with me in mine. So I just was kind of like well And I'd like to know more about it and we got to kind of calm that confusing place of Do you want to get traded or don't you and I didn't really ask for a trade? But maybe I implied it by saying I Did it really want to sign until they had a plan? so They they told me they would trade me as just like oh, okay And they didn't trade me in the summer like they said they would so I came back and had to kind of keep going and then so I kind of knew it was coming at some point But it was harder than I thought it was gonna be for sure I think just Buffalo meant a lot to me and I thought we had a good group and you know You know when you get success early with the group and then you feel like you can see it fading away As one more guy gets traded and one more guy gets traded and you're just kind of like losing that momentum you have with that group. You're just kind of like oh man like It was kind of hard to reset and get the wheels going in St. Louis a little bit like I think we started out okay and then Yeah, just didn't didn't really kind of work out. So kind of unfortunate like it. There was good team there a great group of guys But it wasn't quite their time yet. So You know some of them got got a chance to win with a little bit later. So that was that was good for that group I got a rewind it just a little bit. Is it true? Is it the year that you won the silver medal at the Olympics and had that Ray run? Did you also win the Vezna that year as well? Yeah, that was that that's probably my strongest year Would you say that that's your personal personal greatest achievement? Well, yeah that collectively that season is probably yeah, that's I mean Win the gold medal. That's like fairytale level stuff there but either way it's super proud to have a season like that under my belt and You know when you kind of have to retire and then look back Yeah, I think you have gratitude for the time he has and and you can't do it any differently I think people always like oh, I wish I would have done this was like I I tried to prepare for every single thing I could and that was the best I had and So Pretty happy about it. Would you say your lowest achievement is letting me score on you when you're with the St. Louis Blues? You got one on a business. I got one on nosy. Yeah Look at how depressed you just got on this call. - I know. - Jesus. - I know, can we hang out? - Is that worse than a luchy shit? - No, I mean, you're just kind of like a deflected backhand, so I can't say he remembers it. - He remembers it. - He remembers it. - I gotta pick my spots off of whoever's eyes. - It deflected off of. - Well, after the celebration, how are you gonna forget it? - Oh, is that the one when you grandparents were there? - No, no. This was in Phoenix, and I was like coming over the blue, and I like was-- - It's my first game with St. Louis. - I think. - What? - My first game with St. Louis? - It's first game. - Oh, yeah, I don't know when it didn't work out. - First of all, I crossed the blue, Jackman. - Yes, I think it was Jack, but it was sliding, and he just hit his skate and blew up and went top corner. And then I fucking, I'd sellied so hard. - Oh, I'm looking at this one. Let's just talk about this for the last 20 minutes. - Yeah, yeah. - A quick stint St. Louis. Vancouver can actually went over there. I mean, did part of the success from the Olympics kind of draw you there, or has that had nothing to do with it? - I mean, obviously, crossed my mind. I was like, Vancouver had an opening for starting Goliin, and they just hired Jim Benning, who was actually, he pulled the trigger on my draft with Buffalo. Like, he was the guy who-- - Oh, yeah. He was asleep for four rounds. - Oh, I mean-- - He was like buggy at the Olympics with a witty. - Oh, but I think he's a little late. - He had seen me play kind of vouch for the situation. And he's like, well, he's still available. Let's grab him. So when he got the job with Vancouver, I think that was something where he saw an opportunity where he's familiar with me and kind of known quantity bringing somebody in. And yeah, Vancouver's a great stop. I'm really happy I got to play in Canada. It was a beautiful city, passionate about sports and hobby, and life in general, it's such an active city. And proud to say my son was born up there. He's born at Vancouver Women's in Children's Hospital. And he's a dual Canadian citizen. And it will always be connected to Vancouver just for that reason. So it was a great part of life. - So he's the only member of your family that would be a dual citizen? - While my dad is, my dad was a dual. He's born in Canada. - Okay. - Yeah, they do it now where he had to give it up when he was a kid because you couldn't hold to citizenship and be an American back in the day. Now since you can, he went back and claimed it. So it's actually, I think it's open to my, it's open to me and my siblings as well. So. - Oh, that's awesome. - You left out, you're trying to pass the puck to Chip Churra. And it's actually a pretty good vision pass. Like you did that can't dish in it. - And I'm gonna be honest, I don't think I saw him and I was just, I can't. - Yeah, I know, just went in that direction. So it's, but the fact, I'm more concerned, like Millsie remembered this goal. Do you remember every goal that was scored against you? Or did you look up Paul Bessonette? - I just think every time I see him, I remind him, that's the problem. - I tell every single goalie that I think I got reminded. - Kerry Price has avezna too, right? - Yeah, you only scored against Hall of Famers. - I got one on Kerry, one on you, I forget. I try to think of who the other big dog goalies were. - Terry Saw and Chuck. - There's only five more, so I mean. - No, somebody for the sharks. I think he won a cup with Chicago. - Yeah, Nehemi. - Oh, Nehemi. - I think I got one on Nehemi. - And then you got one against, was it Kujo in Toronto? - No, Kujo was it, no. At this point. - It's probably Talquist, I think it was Tully. Talquist. - It's probably. (laughs) - Got one on Dryden. - Johnny Bauer. - And then the last stop, I mean, where you are now, like you, I would imagine you would have ended up in Anaheim post career or Newport, excuse me, if you wouldn't have played in Anaheim. So like, what an unreal place to like essentially ride into the sunset and open intended and get to enjoy it there. And at that time, like probably still what going through somewhat of a rebuild. - When I got there as a pretty veteran team, I made the playoffs my first year. We ended up losing the sharks. We got swept by the sharks that year. But I was, I came in knowing I'd back up Gibson. It was kind of, that was the transition point in my career going back up. I was like, I could do this for a couple of years. And I just turned into four years. I just kind of COVID popped up, you know, and just like, I'm not going out, turning COVID, 'cause we ended up sliding off and it became a rebuild. And we even missed the bubble. I mean, that's how rough it was in Anaheim that year. I was just like, I gotta come back for another one. So carved out another year. And they're awesome to me. It's another perk is you know, and went back last night to watch time against the Sabers saw a bunch of the trainers and the guys who are still around support staff. And just having that sense of community around here and having people you know, it helps out a lot. And yeah, but Bob Murray was still the GM then. And he did a, did me a huge favor of just letting me say goodbye to the game. Like, I knew it would be my last year. And they kind of set up some starts at the end of the year where it's like, these are gonna be your games. And it was kind of allowing me to say bye and plan things out because we're still under COVID protocols and stuff like that. So, got to say goodbye and kind of structure some of that in. And yeah, so, not a lot of people get to do that and hopp you. So, I was really thankful for them. Showed me a lot of respect and, you know, real, in the owners too of the same yolly. It's really classy. Building a ton of stuff around Orange County and just really building up the game, building up the community, you know, doing some great stuff. So, it's good to see them back as well. They're playing great hockey. So, you know, it's been great. Sayers are back. Docks are back. Sharks had a strong season. Hopefully they have a good push. Canucks aren't. Canucks off. Somebody's gotta be down and somebody's up. So, but what's the buzz like in California right now with the sharks and the ducks being as good as they are and as young as they are? Big, honestly, a lot of excitement at the game. A lot of people at the game last night. They've been having a lot of, a lot more fans around the duck seems and, yeah, you're hearing a lot more about it. You know, it's great young core there. The board's playing well. And the sharks too. I'm gonna get, I'm heading up there in a week to check in. I've been just doing development stuff. So, I haven't gone up there since training camp. I've just been chasing after one of our goalies, mainly helping mentor him a little bit. So, I'll get up there and I've been here and they've been getting big crowds. I'll have excitement. Hopefully they can still have some points and stay in the race here in the last little bit. - Hey, Chico's fans, we're gonna take a quick break for a message from one of our partners. - Stel blue coffees, new can lattes are here. Crafted with 100% Colombian coffee. Each can is a good source of protein and comes in two smooth flavors. Espresso cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream. And whether you're braving your morning commute or chasing your pup, Stel blue cans are for those always on the go and for those who care. Stel blue is more than just great coffee. I named the brand after my rescue dogs Stella who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes. 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But at the USA hockey one is like, you're on the stage and your family's right in front of you. And you're like, oh my God, like just, yeah, I couldn't talk. Like I was just so emotional because it's just like, wow, like how much your parents do for you, how much your siblings do for you, how much everybody, your wife and your kids have to go through a lot of stuff with you as well. So it's just like, that was a hard one. Bertie was chirping me during that one, even from the crowd. 'Cause I couldn't get through like the first like few minutes I had to collect myself and he's just like, yeah, let's go, Melzie, you're good. No tie, you know. I was, it's been great to look back on it all. You know, it's amazing how fast it all went, but how fun it was. So it's, you know, again, the chance to cross pass of so many different people over the years and play against you guys and, you know, I feel like the young, even with you guys, you know, we went head to head numerous times and it was just fun, right? Like it was just, you know, some of us came out on top once in a while and-- - Yeah, did you ever get one on? - I don't know, probably not. [BLANK_AUDIO] I don't know. I did score in Buffalo one night. I don't know if you were in Netto. I don't know. I my first was the guy hand Rick Lungquispas. Oh, wow. I mean, you know, you're not the only guy that's sniping on these legendary goalies with make a backhand pass the chip chair on the post. Oh, man. Thank you, buddy. It's unreal. It was it was so it was so cool getting to play with you. I'll never forget that run and man, what a career you had. So we appreciate you hopping on and thank you for getting a computer that works. Yeah, I know I had to borrow it from the wife. Yeah, but thanks for having me, boys. It's a lot of fun and go green. All right. Oh, yeah, Michigan State. Any final words quickly though for the sabers going into this year's run? Any words of encouragement or advice for the boys? Absolutely nothing. They're doing great. They're doing great. They just got to keep doing what they're doing. Don't change the thing. If you make eye contact with a forward that doesn't mean he's not going to hit you. Exactly. The code is broken. It's not there. All right, Melzie. We'll talk to you. This is awesome. Thank you so much, Melzie. Guys, going to take a quick minute. Talk about body armor. This episode is brought to you by body armor Flash IV, an official partner of the NHL Flash IV. We've talked about it before. It's got all the electrolytes you need delivering faster, longer lasting hydration without any artificial dyes, flavors, sweeteners, the junk, the stuff you don't need in your body. Your body is a temple. 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Trevor Bags who covers the connox for the Daily Hive Vancouver in the middle of the game Thursday was removed from the arena. Press credential revoked because of an article that he was writing that pertained to a vineyard that the Aqualini's own. Basically being a part of a federal indictment in the United States that some company that was involved with them was faking work visas for workers. I don't know the whole story, but I do know that the article was not making huge headlines. It wasn't maybe the biggest deal in the world, but what the Aqualini's did. They decided to kick this reporter out of the arena, take away his press credential for the article to only get more attention. It's one of the craziest things. I don't even know you were allowed to do that. Are owners allowed to just ban anyone they want? Fuck yeah, they own the team. I don't know. That's like Kim Jong-un shit. I just, I gotta, I was like, wait, I didn't know. I didn't know that was even allowed. I guess make, make, imagine a spec a band. Imagine a spec lost this press credential. I don't want that to happen. No, no, no, no, I'm not even being sarcastic. I'm just saying, I didn't know you could just ban anyone you want. So you learn something new every day and I just feel like Vancouver and their fans like, I don't know if they're thrilled with their owner. I don't, I don't know. Could probably, probably do a Twitter poll or something if you want. Okay. Yeah. So I'll keep you out of this one. I'll keep you out of this. Someone stop by to say hi. I think we should bring them in. Tell me this is who I think it is. No way. We got him, boys. We got him. Yeah. Very, very, why you've been blue ball in us. Did you know this was coming? Where is, where are you? Like in your, in your sister's bedroom or what? He's coming in with that sharp. This is one of the guest bedrooms, Gary. If you must know. Maison Yandell. Yes. I don't think you're getting in by Gary. Gary. No. Wow. This is all kidding aside. Not a fun day around here. Bruce Cass, do you want to stay on the cup here? When I was on your show last year, I referred to Bruce as a genius. Still believe that is an elite coach. Did want a ton of games here. Him and Kelly McCrimmon really enjoyed one another worked very well together. Kelly McCrimmon doesn't do anything in a panic mode. Obviously he made the decision that team wasn't, the status quo wasn't going to work. And we'll talk about torts in that part of it in a second because Bruce deserves his due. This would, I have seen Kelly today. It's just not a great day for him, but Kelly makes hard decisions. It's what you sign up for in that job. His track record is tremendous. He's had one of the most insanely successful runs for GM, the whole organization. Him and George McFee and Bill Foley. I give them the benefit of the doubt all the time. People doubted when they traded for Jack Eichel. Look at that work, though. Mark Stone, on and on and on. These guys are really good at their job. They want to win. They want to deliver more success for Vegas, but the determination was that the status quo wasn't going to work. And they had to make a change. So that's what they did today. And it's not a lot of fun. Bruce was from the broadcaster perspective, like, you know, Bruce was fantastic. We would go, you go on the road, Bruce and the coach is going for dinner, me and Shane 90 and Dave Gorsher, Dan Duba. We go for for for our meal. Everybody comes back to the hotel, you go into the lobby bar, verse made a beeline for us all the time, came over, would sit down with us, Takaki, you know, quite often, you know, you'd go to get the bill. The bill was already gone. Like he's, he was great to work with and, you know, he's, you know, I got a Stanley cup ring in because in no small part, because of Bruce Cassie. So no, no, it's a self, if you want to be called a genius by Gary Lawless, just buy his, buy his beers. Hey, I got to do this before we go too far. My, he's like my godson, he's my best friend's son, Eli Pulver, Goli and Wisconsin, punch their ticket to the frozen fucking rights. I'm on the air last, I'm on the air last night broadcasting our game against the capitals. I get a text room. My buddy, Paul, my best pal, lolly, I need 40 rooms at Arya. Now, I'll be able to find rooms. You're like, let me text Bruce. He'll pay for it. It's awesome. It's been a couple of weeks. Listen, Whit, I came on here. I came on here. Like let's not get anyways, I love it. No, no, no, no, no, no, I want to ask you this. It's been uninspiring hockey for a little while, but we brought up before you came on. Their save percentage is abysmal and their shooting percentage is crazy low. Do you agree with some fans take that they're not as bad as they've looked? So they, since the Olympic break, they have averaged, they've allowed the opponents 22.7 shots a night. - That's number one. - That's pretty good. - That's number one in the NHL. - Okay. - It's number one. Like, it's what, the system that Bruce put in, and their ability to defend is there. They have not got enough saves. That is a without question. When you look at the team, a bunch of guys broke through last night, but a bunch of their top guys had under-achieved since the Olympic break. And listen, when you look at your team, you look at how many guys are over-achieving, how many are meeting expectations, and how many are under-achieving. And when too many are under-achieving, you have to look at what the message is and what you're doing. And I'm sure that's what I haven't had an in-depth conversation with Kelly, and I probably never will about this. I'm not stoff. I'm not an adjunct to the front office. I'm just a broadcaster. So, but, you know, that's those-- - Don't bring the nukes. - That's a compliment. It's a compliment. - I know, I'm just saying don't bring the nukes. (laughing) - So, you can't under-achieve. That there has to be-- This team is too good to miss the playoffs. They are, before the Olympic break, they had a five-point lead in the Pacific. They trail Anaheim by six right now. Edmonton by three. They're just above LA, and they're just out of Wild Card two, 'cause Utah's got more points to them. If they were to fall out of the top three in the Pacific, if LA was to overtake them, they would fall right to Wild Card two, and have a slim lead on that. This team can't miss the playoffs. It's too good. So, they brought in John Torturella, and it's really interesting. - It's a crazy move. - It's a crazy move. - Listen, I would lie to you if I was to say, I hadn't thought, you know, I've watched everything unfold in front of me, and I'm like, okay, where's this gonna go? And I have asked a couple of times, what changes could Kelly make, and what changes would he make? And did I ever think he's gonna fire burst Cassidy and hire John Torturella? I did not. When I saw that, you know, that was, my wife and I were watching it, watching something on the television this afternoon, waiting for my daughter to come home, and I looked at my phone, and I said, I gotta go to the office, first of all, but I'm like, holy, and then I, you know, I got a couple of texts from people around the hockey world that I know and respect, and they said that team needs energy right now, they're gonna get energy. And Eric Johnson just tweeted something about it towards, like, he is passionate, but he's also compassionate. Like, there's no gray area with him, you know where you're staying, but he's not a bad person, he's a good person, and lots of guys love it. Lots of guys swear by him. Ikel and Hanuffin just would have had an experience with him, with Team USA at the LMPX. - Do you think they consulted those two guys on it? - Not now, but I know the way Kelly does his job, when they came back from four nations, and they came back from LMPX, Kelly would have asked them about all the coaches. - Yeah, business thinks he's gonna come in pom-poms, and not like he is normally. - I don't think he's got enough time to come in and say, I'm gonna fucking whip these guys in his shape, and Gary, I'll say this, do you think if, do you think if Butch wins that game against Washington, where they went down three, came back, and then lost it, anything changes. And does the fatoric Lulamorolo switch with eight games remaining? And then now, I believe that you guys have eight games remaining. Does that, is Foley or McCrimman superstitious? Like what's that about? - No, no, that's just the way the schedule fell. I think today was a day off. So if this was gonna happen, it was gonna happen today. So that's what I think is about the timing. They didn't win last night, they lost that game. - No, I know, I'm saying they ended up losing it, did that factor in the decision? - I don't know, but I know that when Kelly left the ring class, he left knowing that his team had just lost another game. Like at some point in time, they gotta write the ship and they gotta start to win games. So they got Vancouver tomorrow night and Torks. Torks, well, yeah, they lost Winnipeg this week. And you know, like it's, they're underachieving right now. This is a good team that first, that for too many stretches, too many pieces of games, they're not, they're not, they're not playing good hockey. - What else do we wanna ask you about this team? - Ask them about Mariner. Didn't you say Biz, like a lot of the comments online were like, "This is a nightmare for Mariner, "but we think it's gonna be great for him." 'Cause people don't realize Mariner plays the right way. He blocked shots, he said. - Yeah, I never said that. I think that I'm interested to see what Mariner's able to do in playoffs there. I would say that from watching every fucking leaves the playoff game over the last, like whatever, like however long that run was. Yeah, he was like, he made some great plays and played some good hockey against Ottawa. I thought he was pretty solid against Florida, but like nothing like taking over, nothing like, not like, and if anything like making some mistakes he wouldn't make in regular season. So I'm interested to see what he can provide. How do you feel like his adjustments there has been? He's gonna finish with his career low and points, but I don't really care. I've more care to hear your opinion about his overall play. - Yeah, I think he's been excellent. And he kills penalties. They've used him a lot, he's played center a lot because of the way the English are kind of shaken out. And I don't know, I like to go to nights a lot better with Mitch Mariner than without. He's an excellent player, was good for Canada at the Olympics, was good for Canada, at the four nations. So it's played in those, played in more pressure moments with team Canada than he ever really got the opportunity to play with the Leafs because they never, well, they didn't get out of the first round very often when he was there. I don't think you can pin that on one player. And you know, he leaves and they're gonna miss the playoffs. And again, I don't think you can pin all that on one player, but I bet you if, you know, if Craig Barubi was at six, but he's into him and you said, hey, how do you feel about losing Mitch Mariner? And what do you mean? How do I feel about losing Mitch Mariner? What do you go? He's an elite player. So I'm very excited to watch him play in the pool season, but Vegas has got to get in first. That's job number one. They got eight games to go here and they've got to, they got to write the ship. They're, it's been a nose dive. And, you know, Kelly decided he wasn't gonna stand there and see if the plane crashed. He was gonna try and help them pull it out of the nose dive. If you had to be negative about the group, what would you say they're like, maybe, maybe some individuals you'd like to see more from? Yeah, I wanted to ask about Anderson too and the early thoughts there. Had a sick goal last night. Anderson was dynamite last night against Washington best player on the ice for Vegas. And I think that the adjustment has kind of been difficult for him. And I think he almost kind of something clicked where he just said, I'm gonna be the guy that traded for it. And, and as, you know, just started, he's, he's finding his game of late. I said this on the radio last night after the game in the post game, I, you know. I still believe this team can turn it around and go deep. Like there's, I, I, I like the trades they made at the deadline. I think Kelly, you know, tried to help Bruce by bringing in a fourth line with identity. Nick Dowd has been tremendous. I talked to Jack Eichel about him. Him and Colesmith, like, Jack couldn't have been, just said, great players exactly what we needed. Great guys really fit in. And they've been real, they've been real good to us too, which is, you know, part of the experience of how you get to know someone has a human being, which I often think is important to what you are as a teammate. They've treated us very well. - That Rasmus Anderson goal last night was insane. I didn't see that this morning, holy shit. - And he did his old school celebration where he stares in the glass at someone. So that might mean he's back. - Oh, yeah. - But go back to my question, though. Who do you think has been, has left a little bit more to be desired? - You know, I don't think he could, I don't think the whole tenting's been good enough, and we haven't finished. from the back end and the forward we have an executed offensively as a group the way the way we can and that has to change they've got a you know they've got to be dangerous and they haven't you know so it'll be interesting I would expect the torrella you know we'll come in and you will breathe energy and life into them and I also think you might free them up a little bit. He's not going to change the systems first of all I think he coaches his system is very similar to what what bursts is done they got eight games I don't expect there's going to be a big facelift I think it's going to be energy. His mentioned earlier you've been around the game for a long time a little bit of a spoiled fan base can't really blame them based on what happened the first year they were in the league somebody told me keep going sorry what it is fucking. They seem to kind of get a little frustrated easily when they've had so much success maybe they take for granted how hard it is to win in this league do you see that where maybe guys get treated a little unfairly and a little bit of a slumper or do you think that's nonsense it's nonsense. Okay, first of all the city of Las Vegas is your nonsense the city of Las Vegas was denied professional sport forever they couldn't have a team so like it's one thing to say we had a losing team and we're allowed to have a team it wouldn't put a team here so like that to me is way worse. Listen at what did you just do I took my shirt off I took my managers y'all I think it was like sorry don't say it's nonsense I'll go put it back on it's not nonsense it's not sensible but it's not nonsense all right it's going back on thank you Gary I love you. It was it was too easy guys yeah he's like a he's like a child you're like the fishing blind and you're real I haven't heard I haven't heard I got a couple of texts. Hey Whitney says you're dodging him so I haven't heard that I haven't heard that but I did hear that you said I've never had the opportunity to be around a team that. It wasn't winning you forget I was in Winnipeg no no no no I didn't say that I didn't say that he didn't say that. Because I knew how long you're in Winnipeg. Oh my god that's do I have to be associated with that I will cut it right there Gary thank you thank you you're the best buddy I can't wait man it's going to be a fun one this first round I think it's going to end up these two I think we're going to get home ice and then we're going to battle again except for it's around earlier than usual. Well I will see you guys. I'll see you guys in the conference final summer time. All right Gary thank you so much Gary I'm going to read your comments and I'll just say this. I think Vegas is number one on my bandwagon less but I just need you to maybe ask Kelly and and McFee and the rest of the boys if they would okay it if I was considering. We had your one of those guys names home by three. Those guys came to our game they're still like they're still up in Vegas somehow they came to our game. They're still running hard but we'll take anybody we're like we are we're equal opportunity if you want to join the fan base they've got to come he can't just like. Do things from your zone the conference final be there because TNT's covering it and Gary G in the boys they'll see you next week at the frozen for. Yeah we're on the road that's awesome yeah yeah but I'm cheering for Wisconsin yeah good luck to your buddy's son yep that's awesome. Thank you Gary make sure you get good shout out okay it's good good dude see you guys here Gary what a guy what a surprise what a pot it's been with these surprises what a guy. What a guy always brings the guy he believes in Vegas what are you going to do you can't you know you can't take credit away from him he's right or die with VGK he's he's like stop they always find the positive they always find the positive. Stop was fine in the positive when we were 43 points out of the playoffs in December but I like to see what there you got a couple of six beers and I'm like you said about chief how they really feel sometimes you know or do you think they're always positive. Imagine his imagine all Cassidy's bills for Gary's drinks Cassidy sent him a van more request today you got fired. Say I got all the recent mortgage then for boys they're going to another frozen for David Carl is an absolute freak G North Dakota plays Wisconsin in Vegas I mentioned the wild win Wisconsin had over Michigan state North Dakota took took easy care of Quinnipiac huh. Just a beating just a beating I mean that team is built for play off hockey bunch of Western leagueers Midwest guys average height 6 1 average weight 195 they're just a big fucking team so they're scary heading into this Michigan just beat Minnesota Duluth Minnesota Duluth almost made a comeback there was a little worried about Duluth backs plant looked awesome in that Albany regional which was an absolute joke me and Merle were up there it it was so embarrassing being in that arena it was completely empty. It was a joke they fixed the glass didn't they all they tried so Penn states up like buzzing early in that game they're not up but they're flying around early in that game in the glass broke 25 minute delay fans were freaking out the Penn State players were pissed after the game. But yeah it was it was awful in there I mean you walk down main street in Albany there's not a single sign there wasn't anything promoting this and then you go in the second game doesn't and it didn't upstart until 915 so all the parents that were coming and talking to me and murals were like yeah we got to get our kid out of here we can't stay for this game I had four or five coaches text me being like guys that coaches that were in those games being like this is fucking bullshit. Those are charge of this decision they're like these bids they're like these kids work their whole fucking life and some of these kids may never play a college hockey game or a competitive hockey game again and they got to end their career and and go and fucking Albany. It's where it would be jammed on the on the now granted say um so Michigan's one seed and they host it yoast this year say they lose the first game it might be dead the second game. But at least give the opportunity for you're giving the fans an experience right because they need to go to an arbor it's people like you're like oh wow we're going to go to an arbor maybe we'll do a tour of the football stadium it's a it's a renowned college town it's so it's honestly it's crazy that they're this stupid if they don't change it now after all the coaches are barking like basically any hockey media that covers NCAA hockey it's just think about could you imagine late games in the season that matter getting whole my life. In the season that matter getting whole mice for regionals to have your home crowd it would be all out fucking war so you're amplifying the like the gravity of regular regular season hockey. It's like what are you playing for it's like what did the fuck do they even play for in the regular season but I do want to focus on the positives here Wisconsin guys like Wisconsin underdog story and a little unknown fact that not a lot of people know here is uh their strength coach is battling cancer right now. Inky so he they call him the the back bowler their team they he's the guy that you know really gets the boys going so the fact that they're making this run right now this this Cinderella run when when their strength coach has cancer it's really just an awesome story my case things is really building something special there one of the best coaches in all NCAA hockey just assault of the earth guy. And uh yeah Denver and Michigan no shocker here four out of five the last frozen for Denver seven of the last ten that is uh as much of a dynasty is there could possibly be so we have it is fine away. So it's no that in crop yes yes so no DAC Wisconsin and then Michigan verse Denver yep that's that's a pretty legit frozen for I think all four teams will have huge fan bases there all in Vegas. Yeah no DAC in Wisconsin they might drink Vegas out of beers like that is going to be it's going to be nuts Avery Sean Avery when we when we went and did an interview with Avery in LA in November he said to us. Wisconsin's goal in the national championship this team is unbelievable I love this team he had never watched really much college hockey before just saw them their one game against Wisco shout it out twin family shout out Luke Osborne and they ended up playing great so shout out the Aves there who scored the two goals late against Michigan state. Was that you con that was Wisconsin that was Wisconsin so they gave they they fucked that game up Michigan state weren't they first all year. Yeah they were they were them are Michigan were the favorites tray Augustine is the best goal in college hockey so that and they had a tough loss to Cornell last season to get booted out of the tournament so yeah it was it was very shocking to say the least. Yeah and McKenna probably you you said on the outline last game in college yeah but what's weird is like butcher grass like he knows shit right and there's a lot of times like he says shit and but he doesn't really break a story kind of like this does sometimes you're like whoa whoa did I just see that. I don't think this doesn't fish though I don't think but when he ended the show the college hockey show the other selection show he was like yeah I'd really like to see Gavin McKenna go back to Penn State next. I think you'll go back which kind of made you be like oh wow that would be. That would be very interesting. I don't think he does personally. I think he gets drafted like a to a shit organization like Vancouver and they say, Hey, you're absolutely fucking coming here. You don't have a choice, but he can say no. I mean, I don't know. I was the guy who said telebrini should go back to school. So I got no legacy for should go to college this year. So you're all good, buddy. Okay. Okay. I would say it's more of a coin flip than telebrini because telebrini like the way that he skates and he's and he's he's he's he's just a bigger like a Yeah, he's a tank. Yeah, compared to mechanics that a little wierry. It's hard because if you said the first half of the year, I said, I would have said 100% he's going back to school where that's like he might be the guy to step in the NHL in the first 30 games. You're like, oh, you should have played college and then fucking he adapts like he did this season, like he was a different player after. Oh, yeah, what was it after Olympic break or what do they? Yeah, after Roger, you just came back like a bad out of hell and not to mention if you struggle in Vancouver, the first 30 games, like he's not all you have to play with to like those fan base. They're going to be all over the fan. The fans, the fans will put the fucking guy who heckled his mom on salary. The other thing too is like, I would imagine that if they could lure him back to school, I bet you he could make more money going to school than he would. And the first year of his entry level deal, which is crazy. I don't know. He's already doing that. He'd signed some huge. But I guess he already does have endorsement. Yeah. And I have endorsements and I right hook right hook. Right. He said that's he should get ownership. Oh, he should be like, I'll come back. But I got ownership of Penn State. What do you think a second in the nation? Yeah. And like a lot of fans were like, oh, this was a disaster. This didn't go as planned. Like, did we forget like Penn State didn't have a fucking college hockey program 15 years ago. They hosted 75,000 fans in an outdoor game. Like the amount of eyes, it might not have worked out this year. But three, four years down the line, all the kids that were medicine hat fans that are now going to go be playing and, you know, making their college commitment. They're going to go to Penn State. They're going to follow in Gavin McKenna's footsteps. They saw how awesome it was. And his line mate was hurt for the first half of the year. Who the fuck is saying that man? They played a one game elimination. And they had a 25 minute delay. I know people are bitching that they went farther last year without them. Then this year with them. It's like, what the fuck? It's a one game tournament. I know it's a fucking joke. Yeah. It's crazy in front of a hundred people. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to the frozen for the last thing I'll say about the, the, the regionals being empties like on TV. It doesn't present well either. So it's a bad work on TV. You're just like, oh, it's like hard to get like really fired up for the game when there's just dressed like a seat night going on. But I want to shout out Aaron Frankl of the Boston fleets. He hasn't allowed a goal in nine straight periods. She's seven shutouts this year. That's Holy shit. Um, I think you're, you're wrapping up whatever the best not award is for the PWA. I think Aaron Frankl has it wrapped up. Maybe we can get the name of that G. If there is one. Was she the goalie for USA? I don't know. I feel like what's the record for the NHL? What's, what's Bush's record five games? Yeah, I think it was like, it's called gold tender of the year. Bush is like 12 periods or something. I think she was the goalie USA. Yeah, she was. Yeah. And she said, she said a record for most shutouts in turn and play with three. Yeah, and we'll call her Richter. She looked like Mike Richter. She was nasty. Smaller. Aaron Frankl. What a legend. Biz said the clip. The new replay for called balls and strikes in baseball is maybe one of the greatest rule changes I've ever seen in pro sports. If anyone missed the red socks in Cincinnati, biz, how do we get out the tweet? Like, how do we, maybe you could send people to your Twitter, retweet it, but for anyone who doesn't know, you can now challenge balls and strikes. I think we did talk about this. I think you have like two or three a game. But if you get it correct, you don't lose it. And all the player does the batter. If he doesn't like the call, he taps his head. And it takes the best part. Yeah, pinkies up to the top of the dome. The best part is it takes like two seconds. And it gets thrown on the jumbo screen, the jumbo tron in the ball diamond. And all of a sudden, you get this immediate reaction. Unbelievable. So the reds guy strikes out with the bases loaded. He taps the head. The thing comes on the jumbo tron ball. The crowd goes bananas. The next batter. Same exact thing. We had 40,000 people. It was basically as loud as if a walk off home run was 100% and the fact that the umbs have to eat this. They have to bake. They must hate this. They have to. I know you disagreed with me, but seeing that, like, they're just blatantly embarrassed. Yeah, but so the one that was shown, I think that in that game, he missed like seven, if eight were challenged in seven of them, he was wrong. The umpire. Now the two that I saw were that were back to back that would have struck him out when the I think the bases were also loaded. Bases were loaded two out and he was two and two like two balls, two strikes. So he, he obviously taps his head. They were about like an inch off of the plate. So I don't know, man, as an um, like sometimes like that inch when it's going that fast and sometimes these these back catchers, they, they can like, uh, they move their glove. They frame it so well. So I don't know. I don't think they should be embarrassed. What they should be embarrassed is if I don't know if you guys saw the clip of the female ump where there was literally a strike in the middle of the home plate. It was an inch off the direct middle of the home plate. And she called it a ball. Now I think we all have a good chuckle about that. If it's that bad and it's being shown sure, but if it's an inch off the plate and they're showing it. What I love about it though is in a game that could sometimes get a little bit sleepy before the pitch clock. Having now the pitch clock where it's speeding things up and then you get something else as a home crowd to cheer about where it's like instant gratification. And now these things are being clipped and shared. Guys, we live in a fucking social media era. I think hockey needs to find a couple more of these quick pops. The worst thing about hockey right now is these fucking challenges. I'd rather have a fucking pain a glass break. In Albany, like, well, they had morals fixing it. They have some professionals in the NHL doing it. I think if anything, they should put the people in the war room on the clock and they get 30 seconds to make the call, or they then you show the clip. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, flip my yeah, make it into more gambling throw it on, throw another fucking patch on the jerseys for Fox six. Let's go, baby. Hey, but going back to the baseball thing, can the pitcher challenge, like say it was a ball and he thought it was a strike. Can he challenge it? Yes. And a pitcher today and a pitcher today, I think what was it? Was it called a ball? He reviewed it. And then it was called, oh, no, what should I miss it? I should have saved the tweet. But I think a pitcher ended up getting kicked out of the game over over over a call. I think how nuts biz, like a playoff game. If a guy challenges it, like, like today, like bases loaded, he thinks he's striked out. He challenges it. And he's safe. And he will imagine how insane the crowds are going to go. Like three lobster poutines, deep, couple beers, like, yeah, we have our first ever ABS rage bait ejection. It was the twins ball to more in the ninth inning. It was the first pitcher challenge. And it was a strike after being called the ball. I think the batter. Oh, and the coach is getting booted. The coach is getting booted from the twins. There's going to be so many more injections. Like they said, though, it's just adding content to the game. It's incredible. So that's where I think that the NHL needs to follow suit. And I know that we have a very traditional game, but you have to find a few other elements that only speed up the product, which my vote is, is less TV timeouts speed the product up. That's like our pitch clock. And then one other thing where it's like, wow, we get fucking the three on three did that. I think the shootout becomes a little bit slow and redundant. I think if you talk to the stars in order to create more clippable things, I think bumpeted down to like a two on two would be smart. Do two minutes of two on two after the three on three over time, something make it faster, make it more scoring chances, make it something that doesn't last long. That's easily clippable. Imagine getting to see these pairs go at it. Imagine you get McCarran McKinnon on Leon and Connor a couple times a year, maybe you get two minutes of that high octane roll the fucking clip on social media. I'd much rather see that than end it. And it's like all with a PA one, okay, it talked to the high end players and add that to it where these guys names pop up more and you're getting more clips based on maybe it doesn't need to be that. When it's taking something else breakaways, they go, it's a two on all, but the other team gets to pick the two players. That would be unreal. You get in the advantage of a two on all on a goal, but it could be a couple of meets and I know I just talked about how traditional hockey is, I don't think you could find an originally a more traditional sports baseball. They were so anti pitch clock. They were so anti using this. ABS technology. And it's over the last three years. I went from being like a, oh, I'll only watch playoff baseball to I like what I'm watching these clips nonstop. I feel like Angel Reese and fucking Caitlin Carker fucking fistfighting every game again. I'm just like dialed into these clips. Let's go. What what is hockey's version of these clips going to be boys? I don't know. I don't know what to think. Yeah, nothing's that quick is just like seen if it was a ball or strike. That's a good. Let's get let's get brain. Let's get brainstorming on that. Yeah. Let's get brains. Let's get the fans and it might be a shock value. Non-traditional change that people are like absolutely not. But you've got to find the something that's going to be clipable and interesting about our game without throwing it off and actually improving it like this ABS has improved the game of baseball. And it's made it more enjoyable to watch teams have to trash can jerseys for a game a year. Something that is not enjoyable to watch. And it's actually insane that it happened again Tiger Woods boys. I think Tiger Woods has some some real problems. And it's not even funny really like it's not this guy is he's driving around mangled. How many different car incidents has he had? Thank God he hasn't hurt anyone. He's lucky to be alive after the one that happened in LA a few years ago. I don't think he's ever been. I mean, that was after he won the Masters. He probably had more golf left. But it's like who even cares about golf now like the guys have serious problem flipped over his car in a neighborhood that keep I think it's like 20 miles an hour in that neighborhood. Yeah, it's not fast. In the middle of the day, we saw some of the craziest videos and takes after this happened that I've ever I've ever seen the number one dad rap a portal used to work at bar stool. I'm not trying to like, you know, we worked with the guy where he worked for bar stool for a little bit, but it was a little it was a little insane. I gotta say that. I think he was crying. Rigs on the other hand. He suppressed the video from being tweeted by bar stool. And then he stood behind that decision. I think he actually gave a quote from a from a palm cruise jack Nicholson movie. You need me on that wall. You want me at that wall. Now the problem being he's he's protecting a just a raging lunatic who drives around completely crippled of several different times. Liz, where do you stand on all this? So yeah, like it's not all those things where you want to pile on because you know, we like to have fun on this podcast and joke around and all of a sudden we get switched to like a serious topic. Now I'd be lying if I didn't see some of these memes and stuff and like laugh and like, like, send them to the group text because it's funny. But I do. First of all, I don't believe a guy of Tiger Woods is stature from a golf perspective and how he's a goat of his sport. I don't it sucks to see him kind of being like laughed at online like that. Like it's an it's embarrassing. I feel bad for him. I'm sure he's embarrassed by it. You think he would have been maybe embarrassed by the prior incidents where he didn't do this. Another element to this like he was just larger than life figure where, you know, because of his sport and his intensity from it and his commitment to getting bigger stronger, you know, faster with the club speed, you know, his body kind of got a little bit mangled along the way. And I think that based on maybe all these surgeries he's had, he might be even still in pain to where he's become dependent upon what seems to be percuss at like am I am I off the gas because he didn't he blew zero. It's not he's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And listen, and listen, maybe the talks all year report comes out and I'm way off base. And like, in fact, he didn't have anything in his system and whatever. But prior things have happened. And I think it's been talked about that he's doing perks or some type of pain killer. And so from my understanding from talking to people about it. And this is people who sometimes like, you know, they've had surgeries before they've taken them. I've had surgeries before where I got them and I took them a few days. And I rather have gone through the pain and threw them in the garbage because of the change and how weird you feel and like how you fork it is where you're kind of just marinated. And it's a and it's a fucking good feeling. And I completely understand why these things are addicted not only based on the feeling, but I think they're there's like it's proven that they basically make them so you become reliant upon them. So it's kind of gross and sick and twisted in that regard. But once you take one, you know, you're feeling good, you feel like you can interact, you take a few, you can still kind of be there. But by the time because he's probably so an immune to him and he's probably pounding ton of them, you're way higher than you actually are aware. And maybe that's why you're feeling good. You think, Oh, I could hop behind a wheel and just fucking hit it and cruise and just keep the wheels straight. And that's kind of just from talking a few people. Why he might think that he's able to kind of do that. Well, you're driving in a 20 zone. And next thing, you know, you're fucking Range Rover, fucking ass over tea kettle in a 20 is he fucking over there? I don't, it might not be 20, but it's not like 40, I don't think it. And even if it is 3540, like how do you roll your car going 35 fucking 40, right? Like you're, I mean, unless you're treated like fucking Ricky Bobby, Taladega nights through the fucking over the speed bumps, he tried to go around somebody and like all of a sudden he nicked the side of him and he's flipped. Keith, you said it though. What? Why is he? How is he not having a driver? That's where I was going with it, right? So like that's like if you're going to do this and you're going to abuse this and you've been doing it this long and you have that much money and you've already had prior incidences, like do you not have enough people that are your actual friends around you to be like, you'll fuckhead. Get a fucking driver. And if you've been through that experience before, it's like your, your right hand people or whatever, but you know how much it would cost to put a driver on 24 sevens to drive Tiger round, maybe 300 grand a year max to be on call 24. It's a front white, legit. Rappah poor would do it for $20 a year. That's what I'm saying. So it's, it's not an easy like, like what's your opinion on it? It's kind of like, I guess you could say it's sad and one degree, but to have empathy and like want to like, you know, like protect this guy. It's kind of like Tiger like a buddy, you're a grown man here, you know, you're, you're a fucking go to the golf world. You're a pretty smart guy. Let's just from here on out, you got the driver 24 seven and go get that maybe to help you need if you're pop and how many ever perks and I've had buddies who have been addicted to these things guys and it's brutal and too many people. It's sad. It's horrible. And it doesn't, it doesn't matter who you are either, right? You see it with Tiger Woods. You see with other people, like it doesn't matter who you are. You can get addicted to it. But like his body, like imagine an NFL guys body compared to what his is like, like, I think his is up. I think what he's had he's getting back. I'm pretty sure his leg. You haven't seen his leg since the LA because he wears a sleeve. It looks so like mangled. If you look at the leg sleeve, he wears like it just looks like he really fucked that up. So I imagine the pain is, is similar to a football players or anyone who's had their body beaten, but it's very sad. It is. I will say though, like I get all the sides of like people like how are people defending him? Like the people going at rigs. Like, dude, what if your family was hit by him driving around? I'll fucked up. Yeah. There's a lot more than the laughing aspect. We just, you guys just had a buddy that happened to a few years ago that we talked about on the podcast all the time. So like, I know it was alcohol in a different situation. So it's kind of like, I don't think the attention should be towards like the empathy of it. I, although everything we just talked about, like it's sad when people get addicted to this. And if he isn't that much pain, it's like, I just hope like he would be able to like find alternatives to where he wouldn't have to do this because as we know, these perks ruin your body too. Not only are you hooked on them, but you're just, I don't think you're, you're longevity and your internal organs are going to benefit from fucking pop and how many of these pills a day. And as we know, the immunity grows. So if you're pop in 15, 20 of these things in a day, it's I don't, what's your, what's your, what's your shelf life from a human standpoint? And Keith, I, there is no chance, no, no chance that if rigs was in the car with him, rigs is like, I'll say I was driving. Like, there's, like, there's no way he wouldn't take that for him. Yeah. After seeing that video, which I, I meant, I laughed. I was just like, I did, I thought he might be like, yeah, I shouldn't have done it. So it did crack me up that he just, he, he stuck to his guns. All right. I think he would have eaten that one for tiger. I think he would have, I think we would have, like, if an NHL guy did that, we would have probably not, would we have posted it? We didn't post the auto as senators in the Uber. And I think it was during barstool radio. It might have been after barstool radio. And Dave was flipping out on us. Do you remember that that was? Yeah. I just, there's so much more, I guess, to talk about in the hockey, if this, if this was happening with a hockey player, I would have said the exact same thing though, like what we just talked about. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is everyone with how accessible it is to get an Uber or in his case, he has the money to get a driver. People don't feel bad for you, and I don't give a shit what anyone does if they drink all day. If they do, it doesn't affect me. If he was my friend, I'd probably have a conversation with him, but if you're putting other people in danger, that's when people get pissed and they have the right to be pissed about it. No doubt. No doubt. But yeah, it's just crazy to see like, been a tough go for that guy. And like anyone, I hope he gets, I hope he gets help and gets it figured out like I would for anyone. So, um, great episode, boys, thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you to Lawless. What a guy. The thumb came back, announced his presence with authority. We got Ernie to come on. Please, everyone, check out that Sandbag, it was a blast to do, and those guys are great people. So, check that out if you haven't and our next episode is dropping Thursday. We're just a day earlier, both days this week, Keith and I are going to Cabot Citrus. They're 16 of us. We're playing there Wednesday afternoon, Thursday and Friday. I can't wait to, I can't wait to see it. Place is supposed to be sick, so we're going to be together recording on Wednesday morning with you. Where will you be busy in Scottsdale? Are you going to TNT? I got TNT this week, I believe I'm in Wednesday, and then I fly back here, and this will pretty much be my last weekend in Scottsdale for a little bit, because after that, we're going to do coast to coast together at the end. That's the 17th, right? Right, 17th, but also I have a Monday night hockey as well. So, after this, I'll basically be after this weekend, I'll be on the road and be doing a playoff mode at TNT in Atlanta. So, I'm fired up, this is the time, this season, and once again, I want to thank the Utah mammoth for having me in the NASHCAS and Tyson. Yeah, a lot of thank yous coming here, Jans. The St. Louis Blues and Kelly Chase even asked me to come in for the puck cancer, like obviously I feel honored to even be as buddy and go there. I know you guys are slammed and you guys got your families and stuff, but to go there on behalf of all of us to show love to a guy who's given back so much to the alumni and so much to his community and means a lot to the hockey community and you know, it's kind of paved the way for us, young guys to know how to act and how to give back and show us what it's like to be a hockey player, a true one. So, he's in the fight for his life right now, boys, and it was just great to hug him and fuck, he's still going, man, like he had us on his podcast me and Tyson Nash. He's a fucking machine, buddy, he's going to beat this thing and like I said, I just want to thank him and the St. Louis Blues for having me and it was a special weekend to see everyone. Like I was hanging out with up a little bit like he's a fucking riot, you know, we, I hang out with Bobby or Tuzo, you play with Bobby, you know, Bobby, you know, or Tuzo, he's working with the Blues. So just a pretty good, like fill the love tank up week for me, boys and getting some quality times, some good people. So love everyone Thursday. We're dropping again. And as with said, watch the fucking sandbagger. I think it's being deemed the best one we've ever done. Thank you to Ernie and the thumb for coming on and what a fucking pod this was. Ryan Miller. And Ryan Miller. So everyone, have a great beginning of the week was you aren't going to fall. But it's taking time, I don't know, don't let it, it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen again. [MUSIC]