Spittin' Chiclets Episode 630: Featuring Pat Brisson, Lanny McDonald & Dave Babych

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That's b-o-m-b-a-s.com/audio code audio at checkout. All right, now back to the show. Packed episode today, we just sat down with Super Agent Pat Burrisson. I would say if you're a fan of Sydney Crosby, some Sydney Crosby porn involved in this. Just hearing the stories he's been with, as he mentioned, I believe 13 years old. That's a great interview. We'll be dropping that in a little bit. A lot of news around the hockey world. We got array coming on in a little bit. So we're packed. We're ready to go as much madness is happening right now. Biz, I do have to mention something to you. I just got a picture sent to me because the family, the family's not allowed in the room right now. I'm recording. I'm doing my job without this job. We're not sitting on this in this room. We're not sitting at this vacation. And I said, hey, what's going on? Oh, boom, this is what I got. I don't know if you guys can see that. That is Brad Martian with my two boys who happen to have on a USA baseball jersey and a USA hockey hoodie. Ryder ran up to him, asked for a picture. And Martian, you know what he did at the beginning? He blocked the USA in the picture, but he was just joking. Just getting the boys all fired up. So when did you see him? I didn't. This just happened. Well, we were doing the interview. Oh my God, he's missed a still your girl, too. I know why it. I guess after she said he won't stop saying, wow, he's a really nice guy. And I like his haircut. I like his haircut. I like his haircut. So I guess why it was asking questions. One of them might have been, did you score in the gold medal game? I don't know how that might have gone over like a fart in a church. But, Martian's the man and then he took a picture of the boys. Did you tell why it that that's my archendemesis? No, I haven't seen him yet. I'm on the list guy with Wyatt. We're like this now. Yes. We're together. There's one. Exactly. You know, that's Canada and America joining forces. Exactly. And not being able to say their S is correctly. Now, Wyatt, we'll figure that out at some point. You need to get your teeth fixed. I think some people thought the teeth would be fixed by now. The teeth are still meth addict homeless guy teeth. But that's okay. Maybe tomorrow getting fixed. You got to hear tomorrow. We're going to get them glued back in. Okay. I might keep them for a couple more weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, because I got a question for you, because on the outline here, it says, we got a biz cat story. No clue what that means. Don't understand. No, no, it was more of just like, I just wanted to bring it to the to the panel here. I just been talking with a girl lately. And I told her I was going to bring this up on the podcast. And so she has a pet cat. And like, I'm not like fully anti against having a pet cat. Okay. Let's go ahead. Yeah. It's least you know, if you guys do get together, she won't still your dog. That's a good time. Go ahead. Go ahead. That's a pot. Okay. Good start. Good start here. All right. Continue. If she'll go, she'll be going somewhere for a couple of weeks. She will take the cat on flights and like fly with the cat. And like, in some cases, have the leash on it. And you know, walk it like it's a dog. So I was just curious to know what your guy's thoughts were on like having a cat girl. I don't, I don't have like a feeling whether negative or positive towards cats. I guess if I have to pick one, it'd probably be negative. They seem a little annoying. Walking a cat on the leash, that's, I don't know if I've ever seen that happens a lot. It happens a lot now. Okay. So, um, now would you be in charge of taking care of the cat? Absolutely not. I want nothing. I just, I don't, I, the thought of a litter box in my house. Dr. mental. That's disgusting. That is, what if it stinksy and uses the bathroom? It smells like my flipper. Yeah. I'm, I'm not a big, I mean, I'm just not a cat guy. So, but I mean, people are. And I'm sure she's a great gal. So I was just going to judge her on the cat. We'll go, like if you're going on a trip for 10 days, it's like, oh, we got to fly with the cat. Like, and then you get a whole tellroom with the cat. Because R.A. hates when you fly with pets. He thinks it's very selfish. I kind of, I would be like, oh, this thing's like, no, no, like the whole time we're fine. Sorry, guys, I'd rather than kid. I, I, I would rather, and I'm not a cat guy. I'll say that. I'm going to, I'm now going to go on record. I'm not a cat guy. I would rather somebody sit next to me with a cat than somebody who has red wine in a body. I'm a bottle in a bag of like 4,000 crush of goldfish. Well, that was a host cat. R.A. is a host cat. R.A. is not here to defend himself. He will bring it up to him. We'll have to bring it up. So I just thought I'd run that by you guys. But that was kind of the little thing I was going to bring up. The other thing was I have, like probably the biggest surprise in, in Chickles history. Uh, this podcast. And I hope you held this together. So good. What? I'll have you held this together. So good. Because I know he texted us last night. I have a surprise. My, my joy and, and optimism for the fact that the last couple weeks have been very difficult as a Toronto Maple East fan. And it's been pretty depressing. But the good news is is I can guarantee all of these nations that we're going to win a Stanley Cup in the next five years. And you're probably saying, Biz, how is that going to happen? Well, it's going to happen with a complete rebrand. And the rebrand is W, W, W, D. What would Wendell do? What would Wendell Clark do? So I'm hoping Wendell's going to enter the chat. He doesn't have to be, well, he always is a member and involved with the team, right? He's a true ambassador and I'm going back to at least a glory days for me as a least fan. When you got to be proud of your team, Wendell Clark, Doug Gilmore right here. This was my first ever jersey I ever got. I got assigned by WG. So I told you guys about that charity event I went to. Okay. And so when I had no idea what this charity was, Christine Simpson invited me and I was kind of, you know, I got a lot going on. And then Christine goes, they're honoring Wendell Clark. And I said, they're honoring Wendell Clark. Okay, sure. Tell me the details. I'll be there. So sure enough, I end up going to the event. And when I get there, this gentleman comes up to me and he goes, Hey, I made you something. I want you to come over here. I want to show you what I made you. And I showed you guys what it was. I sent a picture to the, to the group. It's right here. Do you want I'm going to bring it a little closer? Give me one sec. Okay. Get it. Yeah. Get it closer, Doug Gilmore. Is that the actual jersey he got as a kid? So he made me this. This guy thinks they're going to win the call my earbuds. He's absolutely insane. What do you mean? I'm insane. So he made me else. No, we were talking about someone else. So he made me this beautiful metal statue. And it's a, it's a, it's a skull. It's got the chicklets as the teeth. And of course, the eye is, is like blackened out. So I think it's like the missing tooth. It's got the Canadian leaf. It's got bizz on the top. And it's got the star as the base. So it ties in the American. What was tongue is that? That is just a tongue. And it says spitting on it, right? And then it's got the spit and shickled. That's what got you. That's what got you into this. That's that's that's the greasy tongue. So he brought me over and showed me that. And I looked over and there was two other things that were there. And I said, well, what's that? And he says, that's something I made to honor Wendell Clark. And they brought it up during the auction. And I said, there's not a chicken dicks chance. I'm leaving, I'm leaving this place without that. And here you're not like a guy who's looking to spend money at auction. That's not really your thing. So I know that this meant a lot for you to say, I'm not getting out bit. a litter box. - I felt at first I was like, I was like, is it weird that I'm outbidding people, but I think it slowed down around $3,500 to $3,800, and I just said, "5K, it's mine." And then nobody else outbid me. And this is the new monument and statue that will lead us to a Stanley Cup in the next five years. Look at how fucking beautiful that thing is. Why? Look at how beautiful that thing is, dude. Are you gonna look at me? - Are you gonna look at me? - Look at how freaking cool that thing is. It's metal. It's got all of his old pictures on it. And here I'm gonna turn it. - It is pretty sick. - It is unbelievable. - He autographed it right on the crest. And then you got the sea. And then I'm gonna turn this bad boy around. So every time-- - Is it safe, Clark? - Every single player moving forward who plays for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Like for instance, when your captain gets hit and he's on the ground grabbing his knee, you gotta ask yourself, "What would Wendell do?" Well, he wouldn't fucking sting until the referee, "Hey, call something." He would jump in there and pump the guy's eyes shut 'cause you touched his teammate. Regardless if it was a god damn captain. - So let me turn this thing around. - Imagine it breaks. - I would do anything. - Careful, careful this. - Oh no. - It's right next to Wayne Gretzky's stick, too, by the way. Look at that. Look at how beautiful that is. - Yeah, it's awesome. - The box unbelievable. - Oh, more pictures on the bottom, too. Let me start all the old school pictures. Look at Sasca Tune Blade, Wendell right here. And by the way, I went to a Sasca Tune Blade game for an appearance one time. And it just so happened, Wendell was there that same game and we were going out to drop the ceremonial face off and he hands me the puck on my buddy, buddy, buddy. I said, you played for the blades. You're a Sasca Tune legend, you're a Maple Leaf legend. I'm not dropping his puck. And then he looked at me and says, "No, you're dropping the puck." And I don't know if you guys have ever seen Web of Clark's fight tapes, so I ended up dropping the puck. - Yeah, yeah, that's not a guy you're arguing with. - But just a clot, that's how classy this guy is. So for you Toronto Maple Leafs, whether you're there right now or you're gonna get drafted or you're gonna sign with him, you better start asking yourself, what would Wendell do? - I feel like you should donate this to the locker room and it should be in the locker room and the guy-- - Willie could wear that to a game accident. - Are you out of your fucking mind? I'd pay five grand for this thing. If you try to steal it from me, I'd kill you. I'd shoot you with my shotgun. - It's about the Leafs. It's not about you. Do you want a cup or do you want a centerpiece or an offer? - Bro, who the fuck's gonna pray to you at every night in order to bring a Stanley Cup back to Toronto? I got to do it to baby. - The point. - This is my idea. - What if that girl's cat ends up using that as a litter box? Then you're fucking done. - Then I'll have PETA coming after me 'cause that thing's gonna be in my stew in the next morning. That's what's gonna happen. - It's all wild. - I just want a butte. - It's unbelievable. - And another thing too is I get another surprise for you guys coming. - One guy is ready right now. So we'll bring him in first. We got Dave by the back. - Babbage. - Babbage baby. - Babbage. - It's big as my back. - What's going on? - Dave Babbage, what is going on? - Bigs, how you hooking this up? - I'm hooking this up 'cause they're open in somewhere very special and I'll let you give all the details, David. We gotta talk about what you guys are doing right now for the Game of Hockey. - Well, we're up in Delany Northwest Territories, which is probably further north than most have been. It's up on Great Bear Lake, kind of the Southwest corner. It's an hour and 15 minute flight out of Yellowknife. So that goes to joy and it's probably three hours from Vancouver where I live. But we're the last few days here. We just set up an outdoor rink. I don't know if you guys have seen-- - Look at that boys. - Holy. - I'm the guy in the orange overalls down there. - Oh, we see that. - On the right side. And yeah, we had a pretty good crew. We put this thing up. Well, all the boards in the glass were up in a day, which is unbelievable. There was one fellow that came out to kind of oversee the whole project from the company we got the boards from. He says, well, usually they take 14 days and I'm like, hey, they fell in, we don't have 14 days. And there's a few of us, well, we slept pretty well. Last couple nights, not gonna lie. Some of our fingers are still burning from the frostbite. But it's been a great experience here. My brother and I actually were building the golf course for the community here, believe it or not. There's 600 people here. And it's flying only in the summer. Winter roads in the winter time. And so they kind of trusted us to do that. And that's kind of how we got hooked up with Danny Godde in the community. He's the chief out here. So when Danny said, he's a bit of a dreamer and a big dreamer. When he said, we wanna celebrate this 200th anniversary of the birthplace of hockey in Canada. And we want this game to be outside. You gotta set it up. I think he gave us maybe three months. That's all. It's been a bit of an animal. And my son, my son, Cal and Andrew Jackson, are kind of spearheading most of the work behind the scenes. But the grunt work has always goes to the dad here. I'm gonna ask for for father dues coming up after all this work. But these guys have worked extremely hard, getting the players in. We got like 22 X NHLers coming in. And I know we sent them a note to dress warm. But the last few mornings here, we're out on the lake working. It was minus 31, I think, without the wind. And there was a little bit of a breeze. It's a weird breeze in a bit. But you know what, it's beautiful out here. And this is gonna be well worth doing. - And what a list of guys that are there too. I mean, when those going, I think Dougie Gilmore said he was gonna be going. Like, can you list a few more of the guy? Oh, there's a list of his already here. - Ray Bork's going out to Geek Cardinal. Sandy McCarthy, I was actually living out here for a few years and he's back and forth. You know, Getslap, Tiger Williams. I don't know if you guys know him. At least I won't be the ugliest guy out there. Joey Kosher, you know, Lanny McDonald's coaching, Dave Ellett. I don't know what you guys must have ran it. The Embelly Ranford, Mark Jellina, L.I. Freddy. - Guys, speaking of Lanny McDonald, I think it's time we bring in the legend. - Jesus! - Jesus! Bam! (laughing) Who's got the better muzzle? - Is that me? - Lanny is getting ready, okay? (laughing) - You're gonna dress warmer than that, Lanny. - Oh my God. - Don't worry about me. I'll be fine. (laughing) - Oh man. How fun as if for you guys getting together with all the old old school guys and just rekindling, telling all your old fun stories? - Oh my gosh. Dave and I faced off against each other a couple of times and it was like drop the gloves or what and we all looked at each other and thought, no, like someone's gonna lose half their mustache so we never went. - Thank God. - There was no mustache pulling back then, not like the beard pulling, you know? But you know what, this is a crazy sort. So Lanny and I played a team candidate on your world championships. And for some reason when I was 18 or 19, I grew a mustache and I don't know why it was one of those PR ones, maybe it was kind of an 80s porn thing, I guess, I don't know. (laughing) Had this thing going and I remember we're having team dinners and every time you know Lanny's, I mean, it's all clothed and beautiful. And every time you take a bite, you would take a napkin and wipe his face and it, why the hell would you want to grow it that long? And of course, I just trimmed this too. And it's a little unruly, but I, you know what? Mac, you look better than me with it, but yeah, I don't think I can shave it off. - Leonardo Caprio took a page out of your book, Lanny. - That's why you did it, you said it, you said it. Lanny McDonald. - There's only room for a couple of us and that's bullshit, that's gotta go. (laughing) - Dave, I saw yours was a little frozen up the other day up north. Hopefully that's not the case for me. - Oh, everything was frozen. I had one of those, I don't know, meld clavis where it looked like my face was just a pure icicle, but now we're dressed warm, we're ready for it. It's, I got a few pictures like that. I'm, you know, at least my wife will know I'm working. - I mean, that rink is straight out of mystery Alaska, even cooler. And I think as the snow is melting in Boston, in some areas like, nope, you're not even close to spring time up there, huh? - It looked fantastic. - Yeah. - Oh, it is. And you know what, it's not supposed to get any warmer for another month, believe it or not. Like it's been a little cooler than what they usually expect, but you know what, people are great here. We're just happy to work for them and get this thing to be an experience that none of the people around here will forget as well as. Well, when you think about 200 years ago, it looks like that's where it first started. That's absolutely amazing. And to be able to center in on that community and leave behind a legacy that they will have forever is pretty darn cool. And how about that? Line up that Andrew Jackson put together. Oh my God. Real. Yeah, we got to thank Andrew Jackson for facilitating all this. I believe he represents Wendell and that's how we ended up getting connected. But one thing, even from that charity event that I was at, Lanny, and you guys can both answer this is it feels like you guys almost feel like indebted to the game where you have to continually do this type of stuff in order to not only grow it, but like pay homage and just be so thankful that it's kind of, you know, provided you guys with the amazing lives that it has. So like, how do you feel about it and kind of what like, you know, I guess, I guess I'll just leave it to you to answer that. Obviously, we're we're lucky and grateful that like I had a pretty good run. I think I got 19. I think Mac, you must have, you must have got close to that. I got 16. Yeah, but yeah, so we're real fortunate, you know, and and and every place we we go. I know my brother and I we've we've been lucky too. We've been doing hockey clinics, you know, throughout the north, a lot on, you know, western side of Hudson Bay, like Rankin, Inlet and those places. And every community is, I mean, they're so welcoming. First of all, and the kids are all the same. Like you can go to the city. You can go up north. Kids are all the same. They're excited. There's there's the goofy buggers in the group. There's some quiet ones and then there's, you know, the harder working ones, but it's it's the same wherever you go. And and it's funny too. Every every community go to they they have their favorite team in the NHL and it doesn't matter kind of where you are, east or west. Sometimes like here, it's kind of split between Edmonton and Vancouver. So there's there's rivalries here. I mean, there's people, they're driving around trucks and there's only a really one looper out town. And they got flights on their trucks, you know, showing off and and a lot of the oilers because the Vancouver tax really can't, you know, boast too much on what they're doing. But, but no, it's wonderful. It's it's great experiences too. Like for us, we, you know, it's easy to give back because I know, you know, the game has been so good to all of us. I mean, and look at you guys. I mean, you get great careers, but you guys you guys have what the biggest podcast brought like biggest one I know anyway. And honestly, we are so thrilled to be on with you guys and congratulations on the success too. Oh, thank you so much. We can't thank you guys enough. And I think players that are coming up at players who are playing when they see veterans, guys, you both have over 1,100 games and you're still doing these types of things. It makes other guys want to give back. And Lanny, for you, like the old saying, it's better to give a present than it is to receive. You have the job title now of calling guys and letting them know they're in the hall of fame. Wow. To give that message and to be able to relay that news, you know, Jeremy Rohnick tells the story of him, ball and crying in a Starbucks. And how special is it for you to give guys some of the greatest news they'll ever receive? That was so much fun. You can only do it for 10 years. It was the greatest 10 years that I could possibly be involved in the game after your playing days are over. You never think about even getting into the hall, let alone being chairman for 10 years. And those phone calls, I know now what Santa Claus feels like. You make those calls and you look at a guy like Joe Thornton, a holy doodle about 10 times after we gave him the news. One of my all-time favorites was Rogi Vashon. He waited 37 years to get that call. And he finally got that call. And it was so much fun to be able to be on the other end of the phone. Going back to the alumni and you guys do an unbelievable job like Dave said, Vancouver Canucks are a great alumni and do so much in the community. We like to believe here in Calgary. We have one of the greatest alumni. Marty Jones is coming up. Tiger lives part-time in the city. He's going up. We are all skating yesterday with the 55 and 65 and over crew over at Cruelchild Arena having so much fun still playing the game and having the opportunity to come up to Delanay and pass on the love of the game that we have had and being so lucky to be a part of all these years. It's a reason like I talk about Kelly Chase off and it's like you guys have kind of passed the torch on to that generation where now like growing up, now I just turned 40 years old, like I feel like I'm also indebted. So it feels like it keeps getting passed down to that next generation and I think that's just what makes hockey so special. I mean, you guys would probably feel the exact same way. Yeah. Even for me, like in high school, my freshman year at high school, Ray Bork had just won the Stanley Cup and then came that next year and coached us. The stuff that you guys do to just to give back and to keep the game where it is and just even seeing all your guys' face as we heard stories about you from our parents growing up and hockey fans over the years, it's amazing and to see those mustaches in person is beautiful. Who would be your guys' Mount Rushmore for mustaches? Well, thank goodness you didn't say your grandparents told you all about us. We're very happy about that. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I like that question there, David. Who would you be your Mount Rushmore of Stashes? Well, you know, Wendell was, I just saw like a video of Wendell. His is a little too much. It's too clean, I think. It's a little full-maned, Jewish, but still, Wendell's Wendell, he can do whatever the hell he wants. You know, you're right, busy. He was pretty tough. Like, if you're looking or talking, he was throwing so you had to be ready with him around. Some of those battles that Wendell had with Probert, God bless him, were legendary. And for Wendell, a guy like him to take on all the tough guys, regardless of when they were heavy weights or not, he just believed that I'm taking one for the team and he usually ended up giving one for the team. It's so much fun to watch that guy. Hey, that could be a, that could be a T-shirt, what you said about Wendell there. I feel like that whole organization needs to take on that model moving forward. Yeah, I have a small tattoo on one cheek and a bigger tattoo on the other. The small tattoo is getting worn off with the leaf right now. But man, it would be fun to see Wendell in that dressing room. He would certainly snap everyone to attention right away. Well, Lanny, I guess I'll say this one for you. This might be a stupid question. When you guys won your Stanley cup in Calgary, was it at the Saddle Dome? No, it was actually in Montreal. Quick story. We got halfway home from Montreal, five, five and a half hour flight. We asked, and this was like three o'clock in the morning. We asked Cliff, can we land in Winnipeg? We're out of booze. And Cliff said, guys, Winnipeg closed at nine o'clock. We're only two hours from Calgary. No, we're keeping going. Well, we made up for it once we got home. I can guarantee it. That's awesome. Obviously, probably sad to see the old barn going, but how excited are you for the world cup of hockey coming to Calgary, the new building? And I'm sure it'll be a pretty emotional say by the Saddle Dome though. Well, it will be, but you know what? It's the oldest building in the league right now. Obviously, there's some shortcomings in it, both from concerts and even entertaining the people eating every night when they go to games. It's so exciting to turn the corner on 12th, heading for the Scotiabank Saddle Dome and see how far they've gone around the corner. And we're looking forward in a couple of weeks. We get to do a tour of that. They've already got the sales center open and it is phenomenal. So we can't wait for it to open. How cool is it that Calgary and Edmonton got the world cup? It is, you talk about being a showcase to open a new arena, doesn't get better than that. And Dave, for you, I'm wondering, I mean, 19 year career, like I said, over 1100 games, you were so close in 94 with that Vancouver team, you played a huge part. I lost in the cup finals too. So I guess I don't feel as bad asking about a tough memory. But what do you remember about that team? And I remember the the Burre run and just the magic in that city for for a team right now who's kind of looking to get back to some, some days of winning. Well, hey, yeah, they're a little ways from that. But yeah, that team, that team that we had, we, you know, first of all, we had a tough team. We had guys that carried about each other making this. I mean, that's a pretty good example of how success starts. But we had like a very talented team. I think there was there's a lot of guys that were traded in. But I think there was 13 or 14 that were were first round picks around the league. Sometimes, you know, things just don't work out, but but Pat Quinn brought us all together and seemed to bring the right guys together because there were there were good people like good good guys like say good tough guys and that could play. And we, you know, we didn't have a great regular season, but we we probably had a better team the year or two before. But we just, you know, you run into the the right team at the wrong time or hot goalie or whatever or just don't play good against that team. And we wouldn't make a very far, but something clicked that year, we. be Calgary I think in seven in overtime. - Oh yeah, to crawl that in, didn't you? (laughing) - It did, yeah, because, you know, Kurt McLean says, you know, they call him the save, or that was the save. I think he's stopped Reiko on a two on one, and he stacked the pads. The old stacked the pads thing, and I always tell him, so I go, you know, I think you fell when you made that save, and sure enough, we came back, Pavel, Pavel, you know, got a breakaway in second overtime and scored, and away we started rolling, we beat the hell out of Dallas, and then, and I may hurt you guys feelings, but we beat the hell out of Toronto really bad too, and when a Wendell was on, I think Gilmore was on the team too, Ella, and it was one of those things that it's a great joy to be Toronto, not gonna lie. - And that was the beret after that goal, I think you flung a stick, kind of a legendary celebration. - Yeah, no, we, but it was a great run-in, and, you know, like, just, just making it to the finals. I mean, everyone says, you know, you know, it really doesn't define my career if you had a nice long career or good career, not winning the cup, I think that's a bunch of bullshit, 'cause it would have spurbed in nice, it would have spurbed in nice, and you know, every other team I played, like in Hartford, we had a terrific team. Even at Winnipeg, we had a great team, but then you're playing against Calgary, when Lanny was there, and Edmonton, and all three teams had over 100 points in regular season, when there was no, like, I guess, what do you call them, loser points, or whatever. And, you know, we beat Calgary the first round, and then you play Edmonton. So every game's like seven, five, but they just outscore you. And it's just, that's the team they had. So it was so difficult to come out of that division, 'cause it was tough, you know, and then Vancouver, like I said, we had other chances and just didn't work out, but I still hope one day, you know, if the Cox ever make it, they'll include me somewhere, and, you know, in management or in bastard or anything. Anything to just be part of it would be tough. - I tell the Leafs to hire you. We gotta get, we gotta get you in the mix. - Anyone could be in an ambassador there. - Yeah, they had those things out like candy. I got one more left for Lanny and boys. I wanna say, like, this was obviously a quick thing, 'cause we wanted to promote this unbelievable game, 200th anniversary All Star game up there. But Lanny, you've got a chance to hoist the Stanley Cup in your last season playing, like, how, like, we talked about the icing on the cake. David just mentioned it didn't really feel like it, like, he had that stamp on the final part of his career, but what was it like for you in your final year to finally get over the hump and get it done? - Well, we thought even when we lost in '86, two Montreal, we thought the very next year we were going right back, but Dave touched on it when you had three strong teams like there was back then, and it reminds me right now of what is going on with Dallas, Colorado, and Minnesota. Like, they're in the same boat, and two of the top teams are gonna be out of it after two rounds, which is too bad, but you know what, that's where it was back then, and it seems to have worked pretty darn well. People forget that when there's 32 teams, you should only win it once every 32 years, and then when a team wins a couple in a row, all of a sudden that grows everything out of whack, and when we were lucky enough to win it in '89, and to be able to walk away on such a high note at that time, it just made sense to walk away from the game that I loved, and being able to be a part of the alumni, and continue like things like this, like the hockey all of a thing. It's been such a blessing, and when you love the game, and love the history of the game, it's so great, and that's why you're gonna see, it's gonna be colder and heck, but everyone's gonna have an unbelievable time up north, and we are going to make sure that the fans will remember that forever. - Boys, we need to get you guys back on for long interviews, like to talk about your entire career, but there it is. - Oh, that's great, there it is. - Fourth place of hockey, 1825, holy shit. - Boys, we can't thank you enough for taking the time, especially with your busy schedule to hop on and promote this, and talk about how special it is, and for our podcast, you guys, thank you for everything you've done for the game, in order to grow it to give us opportunity, as we got the step in the league. So you guys, your legends, as with, that over 1,100 games, each absolute fucking weapons, you guys are. - Had we known you were coming on, we would have shaved, outer respect, we would have had all moustaches, Biz surprised us, surprised us, but outer respect, we would have had moustache. - I wear a clean shave, 'cause I didn't want to compete. I was way from the flag. - Very smart, smart. - We're not going against these two legends. - Well, we love everything you guys are doing, keep up the great work, and thanks for having us on. - Thanks, Lennie. - And guys, when we're doing another one of these, you guys will get an invite and you'll see, what it's like, these are real special. I hope you guys get involved wherever you guys are too. - We'd love to. - You mean I'm going to get in the lineup? - No. - Well, you never know. - Hold it here. - You need a guy to push the ice, you need a guy to clean the ice up there. - I'll clean the ice up there. - You can't just say no and count 'em off. - I had to play with 'em, you guys don't want to see him on the ice. - Ladies, don't over-promise him. - And this interview, boys. - And this interview. - There's no internet up here, sorry. - Enjoy yourselves, say warm boys and appreciate everything you've done for the game. Take care, guys. - See you later, boys. - Thanks, guys. Appreciate you. - Biz, coming through. - Yeah, I thought the big surprise was that Toronto Maple Leafs sharp edge camera. - That was the big surprise. - Oh. - Okay. - Those two legends were the smaller surprise. Cup A, Lee's fans, cups back on, rebuild starts right now, five-year plan. If Vegas goldmites can do it in five years, we can do it. - Babbage has a voice on 'em. That got you in broadcasting. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah. - Great guy. We gotta sit down with those guys. I think we've actually, we've had landing on before, I believe. But Babbage, that's gonna be a long form one for sure. You could tell he's got a great sense of humor. This all kind of just came to be, boys, because I was talking to Andrew Daxon, who is basically the representation for Wendell Clark, and he's like, hey, I was talking on the phone yesterday, he's like, we're going up north to do this game, where most of us are here. Andrew Daxon helped build that ring, just like Babbage. Some of the guys are heading up today and tomorrow before the game gets going. But he was able to facilitate those two guys coming on. I said, why not surprise the boys? And on top of that, I got a brand new shrine. So, Wendell is gonna come on the podcast for an interview. And I think that it is on the table, that potentially we could go this summer to Muscoca, an okay boating place, and do a sandbagger. Maybe imagine him, Dougie G and Jeff O'Neal. - Oh, that could get the leaves back, that could do it. You would just want to play with them though. - Yeah, I know, I know. He'll be on their team against me and you. - I'll be like, I'll be missing puts on purpose. - It's locking our puts. I actually, I can also picture Biz as he's bidding on this Wendell Clark statue behind him. He's like, I'll go up a little bit more for Babbage and then he adds another grand for Lennie. And then he's like, what about Wendell? I'll go 10 grand, the guy's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. That was the actual bidding process. But awesome guys. - So when I got it, I go up to Wendell to shake his hand. I said, you better sign this thing. And he goes, hey, you as you're a businessman, I bet you think you got this thing already sold for double the amount that you've, I said triple. He knows about you, he knows you. - So let's put the bidding, we get $5,000, $5,000, $5,000, $5,000, $5,000, $5,000. - Well, Biz, for a guy with your team down in the dumps, you seem to be pretty happy, a positive guy. For me, I lost the superstar for the rest of the regular season as well. And you know, your guy being out the rest of the regular season in Austin, Matthews, that's it, there's no postseason. But I sent the video out and I kind of changed my ways. No negativity, positivity, Leon will be back. I said that before Stan Bowman came out and said, no, no, no, he's going to be okay, think he's going to be ready. Right as the beginning of the playoffs, when the news broke about Leon, it was a little bit of panic, I'm not going to lie. The hit didn't really look like anything, that's the worst part about it. Nice, I'm not going to say anything, what Ozzy Wiseblad was a good body check, but you didn't see anything that maybe could be like season ending. He comes back into the game leaves and then all of a sudden the next day or two, it comes out. He's out for the next rest of the regular season. What do the oilers do? They respond with a big win, right? It's something that I said in the video. The oilers are madness. The oilers are chaos. It's never easy. It's never going to be easy. And I've also come around now to Ingram, our goal. He's going to start his fourth straight tonight. It's Thursday, four tenies turn right now recording. This is our guy and a Dwayne Rollison might have had, he had, he was a more well known figure, right? He'd done a lot in his career, but when he went over to Edmonton, nobody saw him becoming the brick wall that he was in that run to game seven and oh six. I'm now on the Ingram train and Leon will be back. That's rest guys. That's rest are you rehabbing from injury? Yes, but it's also rest and he's going to be ready to go. I've also mentioned to many people that if you remember, Leon sprained his ankle, I believe against the Calgary Flames that right before that series. I want to say at 35 points, unbelievable that. So the guy can play through injury. He's a whore. Make Jesus is still there. So void looks awesome. Evan Bouchard. We can get into that later on when the awards get announced Which he probably won't be a top three finals in the North, which is a complete disgrace. Oilers fans stay positive stay calm. It was never gonna be easy. It was always gonna be chaos And this is kind of how we're going through things. So thank you for everyone listening to that spiel. Well said. Yeah, I appreciate it now With Toronto out my focus is obviously on Edmonton. I'm not hopping on the bandwagon with all right I'll be supporting you from a distance But I've also though been on the ingram train for a while when he's with the party. I was very impressed by him I also think that he dealt with I think some mental health struggles as well like he was very vocal and open about that stuff So such an easy guy to root for and I'm hoping that he is he turns into liquid Dwayneau and And gets the job done for the Edmonton Oilers But awesome to see and also I think a little bit of adversity before playoffs with it's probably a good thing for the Edmonton Oilers It's going to make everybody elevate their game wake the fuck up and get things going here and they win tonight They're in first in the Pacific So a hell of a division to one of the strongest divisions we've seen in years and to be in first place with 14 games to go I mean, that's that's something you, you know, you tip your cat to a tip your cat to a team that's gone through as much as they have No, you tip your cat Okay, true, true, you tip your cat. That's what we're tipping cats now legit like instead of cow tip and we're cat tip and and There's also there was rumors you were gonna hop on the penguins Bandwagon now the penguins Wednesday night buddy this team They ended up losing the Carolina. I felt bad Carlson is a person of 10 years ago I I don't know what was up with maybe Mike Sullivan coaching him something there But he is a different player this year. He scored the most old school Eric Carlson goal New age kale McCart to tie it up and then super rookie Kendall comes down Barry's that they got the lead in Carolina. They lose an OT, but they get a point But reason I bring it up is you were gonna get on the penguins bandwagon, but now Until Malcolm is resigned by them. You're not it was brought to my attention that They kind of agreed that they were gonna handle it in the offseason, but Geno was At least early on adamant about what he wanted security and he wanted to be signed before the season was up Then he kind of said something in the media, which I reached out to army And I'm like it seems like he said something after that they had that kind of agreement something would get down the offseason and Kobe laughed. He kind of said Geno just beats to his own drum So maybe he was stirring a little bit a bit up like the immediate, but I think at this point now They have agreed where they're gonna revisit in the offseason where if I'm a penguins fan and things have been going this good for the penguins and Geno up at this point Why not keep him a little hungry for that offseason contract where he can keep getting that number up and up and up now I don't know how many years we're talking to get some money thing for him. I Don't know. I just think it was more of like he wants to feel the love man Yeah, well to his team and I think that I would like to see like a two-year deal around like Four I think he wants two years. I think maybe that they're like oh, maybe they were often won This is total guessing and he's like give me the two years here So I did make a proposition on game notes But then it turns out I guess I was wrong and the fact that they've agreed that they're gonna settle it in the offseason But if that isn't the case and Geno wants it done before playoffs, you got to I think you got to appease him given the Performance he's put on this year to help them and lead them to where they're at right now, but with that said The Pittsburgh penguins are my first love and as much as I'd love to hop on the bandwagon It seems like the feeling from the fan base is not mutual. They're telling me stay the fuck away We won't want nothing to do with you and I get that I understand that too Who the Leafs fans have been saying that for years too? You're not true. You're buying a more material. That's not true No, he's gonna have a Chino Russian bobble head that's made a diamonds in the next month here He's been paying his house looks like the arena He moves into the Lock it down. Well, I've better park in here than the PPG. That's for sure But I'm not gonna do it I it just doesn't it doesn't feel right and you know what with that all said I Was critical of Dubas and maybe some of the moves that he was making with when we're Toronto now the way the things have played out Maybe he wasn't even in control. Maybe he was just a little puppeteer You know, maybe he was being nixed on some of the stuff that he wanted to do the job he has done with the Pittsburgh penguins He he's earned every cent that he was paying in that contract and as a guy who bought Dubas stock very early on and it's Reap the financial benefits of it. I think you sold it at one point at all I thought it never did or you would pay for hands whatever it is. He never sold it. I never sold. I talked about I talked I said that there was a few things that he was maybe doing where I was considering selling yeah like the Gino Contract, but it seems like they've they're a line So he is touching all the right buttons from hiring the coaching staff to get and chinkin off to get in all these Other guys on their team outplaying their their contracts bravo to Kyle Dubas. I'm I'm officially back to being a Dubby I am on the Dubas stock. I am holding and just like posture with the crypto I'm holding even if there's a full-on crash. I'm a Dubby till I die But biz don't you think like when a player says in in my opinion when a player says I'm not gonna talk contracts till the end of the year They usually not coming back, but then when a team says we're not gonna talk contract till the end of the year That usually means they don't want them like you feel any of that with Gino because like we've talked about there are certain guys in the league that If they want to play on that team with a team that what they've done so much for they should be able to just do it, right? Like do you think a hundred percent will get done? I think that if Gino right now is internally saying I want ink to fucking paper before we hit playoffs They're they're that would I would tell Dubas sign this man right now. Yeah do it and I think that Just show it but in this I'll authority you guys do you not want to pissed off Gino going on to playoffs? It's a it's a double-edged sword because yeah pissed off Gino We've seen that sickle mode, but then if he completely lights it up with the penguins going this magical run Oh, then maybe the money that he's offered somewhere now he's made a hundred and fifty one million dollars if he wants to be That's it he's gonna be on the pay that's it. Yeah, you could buy a bunch of Wendell Clark trash cans that use that much money And I think that he ends up with the penguins and you're right, you know a motivated Gino out to prove people wrong Whether it's grading his mind or not. That's it. That's a scary sight. I mean he's look great since he came back and I'll get I'll get more I'll stay with you even a little bit more here because your guy our guy actually the guy who kept us in the league For one minute longer with those PTOs in St. Louis dog arms strong. He's no longer in charge of team Canada He stepped down. What are you showing me right now? I DMed Malcon Okay, I said I said you know how much do you want for contract with two times four equal eight million total get it done And he just never responded. Yeah, you just see red and no answer ever But biz armies out He said that he it's time for a change. I've enjoyed every aspect of it Obviously, you wish you go out on top, but it would be selfish to want to do it again It's such a great experience and I think more people should enjoy it. That's pretty cool Also, he was the GM of the 2016 World Cup of hockey. They won that they won the World Championship in 2023 four nations. He was on iserman staff for the gold medals in 2010 2014 and a name popping up to take over who miss his Kyle Dubas So I wonder where they go with that I see at one point if you said that you know the way Toronto had gone down the beginning of Pittsburgh people What are you talking about but he has earned the right to be in the conversation now? I would say if he signs Gino before playoffs, I would allow him to be GM with a Canadian team Biz I think you made a good point with now. He has the reins like it I think there's something in Toronto where the GMs aren't getting a fair shake at it It's it's a little too corporate for my liking. Okay, and once again, let's go back to wwwd What would Wendell do they should they should bring him as part of the roundtable him and doggie It just him. Yeah them to sit coming back boys. That was just enormous I thought it might be a little bit longer shocking That's sarcasm. Not just came back. He was fucking going out of his fans from the penalty box Punching guys in the face Would he have one and one does that would he finish with or one and two? He is now 10 points shy of surpassing Steve iseman Seventh all time like now we're getting into numbers. It's like holy shit And I love that person's coming on because of the crossby stuff we talked about we should have brought that up that like You knew he was gonna be special, but he's climbing the numbers now He's climbing the ranks we're looking at what could be the own the second only player to touch two thousand points Does he get there? I believe he can I mean considering that when he came in you you didn't even think this was possible Even if he was as good as advertised it wasn't this with the game the way the game is changing how offensive it was back then So Pittsburgh in a great spot even though loss it was an OT loss and and they're just not slowing down So it's a cool story Carlson in the last 10 games with five goals 11 points 11 assists 16 points plus six like that's for fucking elite numbers right there. And that water spoon that he's playing with too. Like they compliment each other really well. He looks so good for them. It's the old guys there to just taking care of business. I love it. So also some news came out of Florida somewhat near near you and I Keith in that the GM meetings went down. And Mike Russo and Pierre LeBron did a joint article on the athletic apparently there was a now I don't think it's that crazy. I think that there's been instances of GM's and Gary going out a little bit. I guess it was a Tulski sorry excuse me in in Carolina where Batman mentioned that there's an owner unhappy with lack of protection for players with the head shots type thing. And he said does anyone have anything to say here in and Tulski's he's like yeah me is like I guess we know who the owner is in terms of Tom Dundin and Carolina. That was an aspect. Gary another aspect just stick it to his guns on the playoff format. I we've been over this. I don't agree with it. I know year by year you're just going to get certain instances of the Minnesota Dallas or Minnesota Colorado match up this year. But it just doesn't make sense. But he is adamant that they're all about the first round. That's kind of what he's saying that our first round is the greatest. Okay. So listen, like I don't I think we can all agree that that from a business standpoint in the way the league's been ran. Gary has done an exceptional job to get it. Oh yeah. It is now like no one's gonna it's just I think it would be hard to be him in a sense of how much criticism you're taking all the time. Fuck and we were chirping last podcasts with the fact that the states isn't getting a game in the world. Couple lucky right. So you're constantly dealing with that type of criticism. So I could understand why in some cases he would be a bit on edge and pissed off of that. Now as far as the head shot stuff, I kind of I can't be a hypocrite here. I'm actually happy with the median place that it's arrived to because going back like what five to eight years ago that window of time where every guy was getting suspended for touching somebody. It was like it was painful. And like Tulski's obviously a bit of a puppet for that or yeah, right. And like what I mean, Angela, he's like that. I guess we know who the owner is. Yeah. Exactly. So I mean, as far as the head shots, like when's the last time a guy in Carolina's got a head shot that that's gone on called where we're like, no, it was one earlier this year. Shit, it was in the article. Pitlick hits somebody. It was Jalen chatfield. Jalen chat. Jalen chatfield got one, but oh, you mean the guy who fucking judo slam the other guy and play off what they've done is they've they've made it so that if your first point of contact is the shoulder, the chest, and then it runs up and buries the guy in the head. All right, we're not that's not a head shot. No, I like that. I like that. If you're not if shoulder directly to the face, you're still in trouble now. Yeah, I think right. But if you get a guy somewhere else first and then, you know, whether his movement or you're finishing of the head gets him in the head, it's like, well, that wasn't the first point of contact. And we're not going to take hitting out of this game. So that's something that like fans are probably like, I'm with Gary. Now the fans, I definitely think aren't with Gary on the playoff format. And the first round, I'll be still didn't get one game for that that that body slam. Yeah. And the guy's helmet was off too, right? Wasn't his helmet out like and keep in mind like, I don't want to see guys get injured from head shots and stuff like that. I'd love to see the hit that he's talking about specifically, but I mean, I might do an Afro Afro man song with a surveillance of of Tulski standing up. That is your song because I got high. You sent it and I couldn't fall. I didn't know who it was till you said he's the guy who's saying because I got high and know that song. I do not know the story. So Afro man, like, I think he was just at home chilling. And next you know, his doors get broken down and cops come in because they ended up having like a what do you call that when you can go in a warrant a warrant. And basically saying that he like he potentially had like he was drug trafficking and had somebody captured there. Like had like a kidnapping the kidnapping. And so they got in there and they were like going through a suit pockets. Apparently they took money from them. So after this all played out and Afro man's obviously like all I'm doing in my house is smoking weed and I don't have anybody kidnapped. Like I'm not breaking any rules. I have a cat though. What's that? He had a cat. That was the problem. Oh cat in that case throw him in jail. Put him on Guantanamo Bay. Re-open Alcatraz. Get him in there solo mission with all. Yeah. Catnip catnip chicken liver catnip catnip please deliver. That was yeah. No shit. He wrote those bars. So after seeing all the surveillance that he had set up in his house, he must have had those ring lights everywhere. He basically created a whole album clowning all these cops who are flexing this fake warrant. And then it ended up going to trial because the cops wanted all these defamation these defamating lyrics and music videos taken down. Well, when you're suing someone on defamation, like obviously you're saying that the claims are false. So the one guy gets brought to the stand about how Afro man was singing the song that he fucked his wife, the one cop's wife. They asked him, well did Afro man fuck your wife? And he was like, I don't know. So completely nicks his own case. So it ended up getting like thrown out. The defendants didn't win nothing. Afro man's allowed to keep all these songs in this whole album up. And he's just clowning on every single individual cop that came into his house. Like whether it was a female cop, you got to go through and watch all these music videos he made clowning on all these people. And obviously these cops were morons and he clowned them and they're not happy. But the whole internet is having a field day with it. So if you don't get the kids together, I'll get the kids together. We'll watch the videos tonight. Oh, Margy already watched it with them. Oh, Oh, the Afro man, you Ryan, when you get back next podcast with psych. No, it's Margy. Margy. Margy stole my wife. I don't know. I don't know. Sure. My kid's 15 candidates. He's now on with the fuck. Oh my god. How do we even get there? I have no idea the other thing I took away from Wednesday night was another Hudson is in the NHL bulls call Hudson. They're taking it over. Cole iseman also signed with New York. I think he's going right to Bridgeport. But Cole Hudson, he's right into the capitals lineup. They beat the senators for one. He scores his first goal. Empty netters funny because I think was it Mick Michael. He was looking to pass it. Mick Michael's like, no, shoot it. Shoot it. Which I get that. Oh, he was like this, though. I know. I know. I'm like, oh, fuck, he looked awful. I would have been sprinting to touch it before I went in that lake to chop on the back check for a few years ago. But the kid looked, he looked nasty. Just a different player than Lane, but but dominant in his own right at least in college. I'm interested to see how his career plays out. I will say this. There's a difference, I think, between being confident and cocky. I think he might be a little cocky. But that works for people. That was American. Who cares? That can work. That can work. And he's Canadian too. And oh, yeah, his dad said Lane could play for Canada. So who knows where goal could play, but these are world junior gold medal. He's a world junior gold medalist, incredible player. So the caps with Leonard, himself, the other pro toss coming when OV does move on. I think their fans are pretty excited about the future. So I was good to see him. Another BU guy making immediate impact. Do you want your first goal to be an empty nutter? I know you just want to get it over with. You see an empty nut. But I mean, well, I'm going to say, I'm a guy who scored on Kerry price. His first NHL goal, not a big deal. I wasn't looking at the puck and or the net. It just hit my skate and went in. So I can't. I don't really have a dog in this fight. We need a cat. It's as long as you get more, right? If it's a guy who got a call up and gets one NHL goal, it's empty netter. Yes, you have one NHL goal. But in your mind, you know, it's an empty netter. This kid's going to score plenty of goals. So I don't think it's I do want to put US on alert, though, that I will be getting a surrogate mother. And I'm going to start dumping some loads because I'm sick and tired of all these, these brothers that could chuck brothers. You got the huge brothers. Yeah, but what if all you want to fall your, what if all your sperm producers, bouncers, it's strip clubs and guys who work at Abercrombie for the discount and then other guys who maybe go to have important flunk out like, what if it goes the other way? I think you're overhyping your jeans. Yeah, I think you all said it's like, oh, your hands and your vision. It's like, what if it's just your knuckles and your teeth? That's a good point. That's a good point. Unless, maybe you could find this. Maybe you could find a surrogate mother who is a really good hockey player or or at least athlete, good at something. Yeah, but you got you got the size. You're big. You got the hockey frame, but you got to find some skill in there. I'm going to counter your argument with we got, we got a brotherhood coming out of Canada. And Papa Sean talks about it. Rick James Celebrini, RJ Celebrini coming up. You guys are absolutely fucked right now. We're going to fall So all you Canadian fathers out there, make sure you're having at least a couple boys, maybe you even like a how can you like program it to have twins now? Yeah, it's a computer. You just put in the code. That's a HGTP call dash twins that pp.ca Dude, James Celebrini might be American though, because he might have been born when it's time. Don't even start man. Don't even start. I'll stop on your couch. I will say that Celebrini, I think has said that that RJ is better than he was at that age. You guys are fucked. Yeah, we could we could be in trouble, but we, you know, we got past Celebrini once already, best on best. So I'm going back to Canada and I'm just going to start. I'm just going to start dumping with you guys are absolutely fuck. Oh, I mean, that happened. Yeah. All right, with that, let's sort over to Papperson. I thought we're going to talk about the World Cup. Oh, I forgot. I forgot. I miss something. Are you kidding me? Well, kidding me. I think it's, you know, it's crazy. You guys are how much money do you guys have? And you guys are going cheap old mode on the NHL won't even outbid Canadian teams given your dollar. It's a, it's a buck 37. You got, you want American dollar is a buck 37 Canadian and you guys are getting outbid by the Canadians. You guys need to look into fucking mirror before you start bitching about why you're not a host city. Okay. Well, well, people know there was a bid. I want to put a bid in for the most serious. Made you should be hosting the World Cup of hockey and you're fucking back yard on that ring. Yeah, I know. I know that's like the old style Bingham. It's like the size of the Bingham tin rink. We used to play in the shoe box, but I think people maybe confused. They did turn out or I maybe it was known by everyone. I didn't know until Jeff told us that it was a bidding process. Calgary and Edmonton had the highest bid, I guess that's by the way, we never argued games in Calgary and Edmonton, also spot. Yeah, I guess the some of these cities. They now granted like the amount of concerts at MSG at the Boston Garden. It's not like they needed as much as Calgary and Edmonton where in the summer, I know they have concerts in the new building in Calgary. I'll have plenty going on, but there's just a lot of stuff happening in the city of Boston, who is giving the bid out I'm guessing in terms of like we don't necessarily need this. Oh, no, it's not even in the summer though. It's March. So that didn't make any sense. I got nothing to say there. I wish we bid more. I think there should be games, but I do have something to say to the people who are like, well, look at the world junior crowd. It's a are we serious right now? We're comparing world junior crowd in Minnesota. That's some of the internet crowd has been pretty stupid with the response on this one. I would say that that has like a maybe maybe like a half a percent factor, maybe less 0%. Yeah, I don't listen. I will say though, it is a bit of a difficult look that the state of hockey is getting 500 people to like a sweet and check game or whatever it is in world junior. That's a bad look. I think a lot of them were at the leaning center when the games are going on. So that is like that learning. No, there was no there was no there was no end. The leering, the leaning center, the leering, the leaning and the leering. But that's a bit of a tough look due though. I think that they took that into account. I don't. I don't. I think it was probably decided on before that. I think it's actually crazy that they didn't at least throw up a strong enough bid to compete with keeping some games, not not even half the tournament just even getting like three or four of them. Also the other thing and we talk about it at the end of the papar saw thing. The amount of people that want to tie in politics, the decision making, I think is so it's so dumb. I'm so sick and tired of people being like, look at the political state of the United States. Why would people want to go play a hockey game there? I mean, people wanted to go when the four nations is there and that was literally the heat of it. So it just it's just annoying. I think that people who answer with that themselves are kind of they're telling on themselves. They're so wrapped up in it online all day every day. Just like like people saying like, oh, you think people would want to travel there. Guys, you're not. I saw that Afghanistan. Have you turned on the news? Turn on the news. In 2025, 77 million international people visited the United States. So I'm going to go with the fact that it's a pretty desirable place to come visits still 50 different states. And maybe even. A they're booking a they're booking trips to Cancun in Kabul in Port of Ierta. Meanwhile, the cartels taken over half the city. And they're talking about coming to the States that it's not safe. Like come on here. Like turn your fucking brains on some of you. It's not even. And then you'll get the lot of the couple tweets. Like, oh, and they're just it's just it's just it's a fucking mind month. It's it's my if I was if I was playing in this tournament though, I would be begging and praying to be in that prog division. What a city. How much better would that be to be over there than in Calgary or Edmonton? So he, I don't know. I would I would push back on that if you're like a hockey truest and you want to play and in in like a heart. I mean, I went to the Stanley Cup finals like Edmonton was playing. It was insane. That was the best hockey atmosphere I've ever seen in my entire life. I agree. I agree. But prog in terms of how nice the cities and you don't get to go there. Like you do every season. And if you're I don't know, man, did you see the ice district? Yeah, that's coming. That's common. No, I'm saying it's already there in Edmonton. What's the ice district? That's where you call that whole area. Some great bars. Awesome. That's what are the mosquitos. I mean, you know the mosque and I would also put Edmonton women on par with with women from prog. I don't think you're going to get a ton of agreement on that one. I don't I don't think I love Canadian women. I think they're very natural and very beautiful. And I'm going to stick to my guns. Yeah, I know you're going to stick something else around Canada, too, based on your earlier your earlier comment. But the other thing that came on, I think was it Andy Strickland. Gee, correct me if I'm wrong that reported that Sweden, Finland and check won't play if Russia's in. Yeah, that's correct. Okay. So that's that's big news, right? In terms of the IHF having no say they're banned Russia, right? With the war with Ukraine. Now it's the NHLs to just say we could do whatever we want. We get to anyone who's going to play Russia should be in. I love Sweden. I love Finland. I love Czech. I would rather Russia in than those countries that that mesa, but to see that buddy, I'm saying obviously we want them all in. I want Russia in. I want to see Kutrov. I want to see the gold tending trio that they have. I want to see Paneren. I want to see Caprice of I want to see Russia back in a best on best. If those countries say they're not playing. If that's true, then Russia ain't playing. They might not play even without those countries saying who said that from those countries, though, like the head of there. I don't know. But if that's their opinion, and I can agree with that because they're a lot closer over there. Yeah, we don't know. And that's fine. And we're trying to be respectful of that. But once again, I'm not going to say sorry to the fact that I want to watch the Russian hockey players play in a best on best. Like I don't. I'm separating the two. And if I want to watch Russia in best on best, I don't give a fuck. I'm not going to apologize for that. That's why we watch sports is to get away from your real world shit. Like whatever's going on, you watch sports to get away from it. To have those guys in there, like we've missed out on them. The last two best on best, right? And you know, it's thanks not watching them because they're so good. They're so entertaining. And, you know, as an American fan, I'd rather them not in it. Just because they're such a good team. And, you know, that's another team that could beat you. But I think as a, you know, fan of hockey, you want to see the best teams playing it with the best players. And, you know, it'll be a blast. So we'll see what happens. I also am down. Final thing before Brisson. I'm kind of down. If we're looking to figure out what teams will be in there. The World Cup of hockey in 16 had the young stars team. I think I'm like, down with that again. I would remember when they beat Sweden. Biz, I know you made the look. And it's not then you're not dealing with every country. But just to get a couple of young guys who are nasty that wouldn't necessarily make their national team. I think it could add a lot. I don't think it'll happen based on that. I'm really going with the countries, but I kind of was like against that. And then think it back to that one game when McKinnon scored. That was fucking incredible. So we'll see what I just put Russia in and just give them the jerseys that don't say Russia. Yeah, no, they did. They did that the Olympics, didn't they? Yeah, they were like, um, they forget the name Olympic athletes, something. I don't remember. Yeah, but smelly tracks, you know, wearing lovers. What didn't I thought I saw something that if Russia is in then either like Switzerland or Slovakia will be out. I don't know what they're going to do because you have Canada, US, Sweden, Finland, right? And then check when you're talking about Germany and Switzerland, like, I don't know, like, you can't, can they compete like they compete, but it's like, if you can combine something and then check in in Slovakia, very good, but imagine them combined, which I don't think they'd ever want to do. I don't know, I want to, I can't wait to get already. There's an opinion on what he thinks if if Russia should be in it, like, well, after persona, we're going to throw it over to all right. So let's talk to Patrick Passon right now, a great interview. Everyone, please enjoy him and we'll go to over to R.A.s world. Hey, chicken fans. We're going to take a quick break for a message from one of our partners. 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Oh, I'm you coming with a puck here. I got it somewhere, guys. I don't want to tell you, but it's somewhere here. Oh, I was going to warm him up is I was going to like, was it my son? We're not warm and shit up, buddy. When we get these agent, I know how you agents treat these owners and these GM. So we're not warming nothing up. Yeah. Okay. Um, you know, what I get's interesting is all of us here. I mean, we, you guys, like great careers. You played me NHL and all that. I didn't play me NHL, but my goal was to be an NHL player. I grew up. I was a pretty good hockey player. I played midget triple A, played four years in the Quebec league and I played in Europe and all that, but my goal was to be a, but an NHL player and, and, and, and to fast track, I, I had an opportunity to play with Luke Rubatai and we were on the same line. Pad Burs was our coach and actually went and grits the own the team and the, the Hall Olympics. Yeah. In 1986, geez, I'm aging myself now. And then we, we, uh, we went far. We lost the Memorial Cup final. Then I went to play prune Europe for a year and then I came back to North America and I came to visit Luke actually during his rookie year and, uh, I enjoyed Los Angeles. I enjoyed what I saw. I knew I wasn't going to become an NHL player at that point. My dream, I was still dreaming about becoming a pro player, but then I system opportunities when I was here. It was a year before Gretzca traded here, but there was a lot going on, Bruce McNull just bought the team. And so I made a decision a year or two later to, to, to, to move here in '87 permanently and, and quit hockey, uh, for, you know, as far as my dream to become a pro player in it, I started. I mean, I did so many little jobs like car wash business, teaching hockey and all that stuff, but I found quickly that I knew, I knew the game. I grew up with the game. I grew up with the, uh, playing the game. And, and after each game, there was with Luke or Steve Bushane or, you know, like then Bernie Nichols, all those guys who were there, um, we talk hockey after games. I used, I was hanging out with him and I knew I understood the locker room very well. And I said, this is, this is my connection to the game because this is what I know best because I was trying to find out what I was going to become, what I was going to do. I was dabbling in so many different things, but every time I came back to players used, were opening up to me, you know, after games and talking, I was able to talk to the game. And, and back in the days, too, we were able to go in the locker room after games and sit there and shoot the shit with the boys. You know, have a beer and pizza and all that. And, and, and, oh, you know, LA was great because, you know, one day, you know, after a game, sometimes you have John Candy visiting the locker room or, or Tom Hanks and I sat there next to Luke and then a year later, when Gretzky came, it was a whole different package. But I connected very well to the locker room, the players well and, and then obviously with Luke's, you know, help and terms of believing in me and, and quite frankly, Mario, the Mew and he gave me an opportunity to start doing their marketing deals. And then I, that's basically how I jumped into this in 1991. So a long time ago. Is it true that you were sleeping on Luke Robotized couch for a little bit? I sure did. I mean, I sure did. I would bear it. I came here actually and I I didn't have the I Luke Luke took care of me for five years. I stayed with him and I started a little car wash business with a buddy, mine Jean Smith and we were washing cars, watching the players cars and actually my biggest client was Bruce McNull. He had 12 cars. Oh, for sure. $1,000 a month. And when you don't have anything, man, you start you, you, you, you know, you grind and so yeah, Luke and Steve Dushane and all the young guys who are there, we hang it out and that's how I started. I want to know what kind of cars McNull had with what did he have? Like, are you a big car guy? Yeah, he had, he had the Mercedes, he had Toyota Honda. I remember, you had a driver bringing those cars in actually. 12 cars. I remember that and it was a big account. It was a thousand bucks a month. There's a lot of money. I can't imagine for you, like, you, you, you're now, I think, at $1.4, $1.5 billion in contracts and like for a guy, the way you started out, like, when you hit that billion number, it's got to be, there had to be a moment of kind of reflection. Like, I can't believe where this has brought me at this point. You know, we have a great team. You know, I don't do it on my own. I was the mayor. I have a great partner and I have great partners here with 32 people. It's, it's really a team effect. I know people see the, it's magnet. Oh, Padverson Represon X or GPberry, but it's really a, and I mean it and there's no clichates. We approach every file as a team. Um, first time I really pinched myself actually was when I, I did Sergey Fedorov's contract. It was a hard one out of Detroit. I, we didn't want Sergey to leave Detroit. I didn't want to leave Detroit, but it was $40 million in the, uh, Anaheim. That's why I pinched myself the first time. This is crazy money. Um, and, uh, you know, when Cindy went first overall, the old five was a very special moment. First overall. I mean, I may never get a first overall again and knock on wood. We've had nine at last 19 years. Oh, like it's been, but I say we, it's not only me. I mean, it's sincerely. We have a great team. So did you, I mean, I played in the Quebec League. I know the schooling is in, you know, the main priority there. So did you have to go back to school and get your law degree and stuff like that? Or did it just kind of start? Yeah. What I did is, uh, in Quebec, you have something called CJAP, you know, you go to CJAP for, for three years before you go to college and your two, three three years at CJAP gives you two years of college, essentially. So I did three years of CJAP, and then I went to Ottawa University when I played for the Hall Olympics. Um, for one year, I did not finish. Uh, I went to Ottawa University for a year in marketing, actually. And then that's when I had four or four years of school back, you know, I felt it was fine. You know, uh, and, uh, but I went to play in Europe. And then when I came back here when I decided to move to California, I didn't know what I was going to do, but schooling was, I thought about going back to, you know, working with Tom Rich and Steve Rich, they were highly educated lawyers. This, Tom was a, a pioneer in baseball, one of the best in history. I learned so much from him and, and Steve, unfortunately, they both passed and Steve passed last summer. They were great examples for me. And I learned, I looked up to them a lot, they were great lawyers. And I thought at one point to go, go, go, go back to school, try to do a law degree, but I, my virtue would have been doing for three, five years now. I've learned a lot. And through what I'm doing, essentially, I, at times I would say, I could probably teach a law school in a business, a class in law school somewhere after all the experience they got, but you, you learn on, on the job as well too. I mean, like early days, you said you were grabbing beers in the locker room with the guys even before Wayne got there. Like, how much from that point to now has the industry changed? And just like, I mean, the money involved and just like how crazy it is with the, with the growth of the league. It is crazy. Like everything else, like every other sports, because I remember we used to look up the baseball and how the baseball players were not only the money they were making, but it all started there actually when my first real deal actually for Luke was the baseball players were making, I would say seven to ten grand for like a two hour appearance to go sign autographs in the mall in malls and shopping centers and all that. And Luke got a call from this guy and he said, uh, he said, I'll, I'll pay you $500 to come and signed for two hours. It looks like Jesus is great. I was saying, you know, those baseball guys in the form club and these guys are making at least five to seven grand cash. And, you know, I mean, you look rookie the year, you look robot, you shouldn't be making at least two, three, grand and so he said, "Why don't you call the guy back and just, you know, I'm your representative, and I couldn't even speak English. I remember like calling the guy and I probably didn't understand it. It's all I said to him. I said, "Look, it's worth $2,500 for." And you guys, I can't do that. He said, "Well, unfortunately, Luke won't do any." He said, "What about $2,000 when he come and do it?" I said, "Yeah, we'll do it for two." So I went to Lucas and we went from 500 to two grand. So we went to do the appearance. So these agents aren't completely useless. Yep. No, really. Actually, he gave me, I remember he left and he gave me half. He gave me, he gave me a thousand bucks and a thousand bucks. He took me two weeks to make a thousand dollars back, at least. I almost start crying. I said, "Oh my God." He said, "This is amazing. Luke said, "I want to do this." He said, "I'm not going to give you 50% going forward every time." But yeah, it changed everything. I mean, hockey's going in the right direction where it was. And when Wayne came to California, it changed so much. I mean, I used to go to games where the place was pretty much empty and you could buy a seat. I mean, then I had to buy seats. You know, three tickets from Luke and the boys, but you could buy a seat for 20 bucks and then find a seat in the forum. When Wayne got traded there and the place was packed all the time and who's who was in the forum called all the business people, all the music, television, you know, the junior Brock armors, the Tom Hanks, the Tom Cruise, everyone was there. And there was such a vibe. And then Anaheim came to fruition in '92, I think '93. And then there's such an amazing buzz. I was able to build our business here to people who say, "Well, you should be on the East Coast or should be Montreal to be in a service business for representing players." And I said, "Well, you know, California is an amazing hub because you guys remember when you used to come here. You didn't fly private. You flew commercial. You were here for three, four days sometimes, even longer. And we were able to have the games go out the next day and spend more time here with players. Actually, I spent some quality time with players and that's how I was able to recruit and build our business. But things obviously changed now. It was quick, but still it's still an amazing hub. And the sandals they came after that, so California. And not only that, the roller hockey in California was a huge, they're so impactful. That's why you see so many young players now from California making it to the NHL as well, too. To fall that one up, like around the time when you said that you got there when Luke was there, was it still really faux pas about the players kind of interacting about what they were actually making? Because I feel like maybe that was holding back the players a little bit that they were told not to kind of disclose to each other what each other were making. And therefore, like, was that the case in baseball or is that something else that you took from baseball where it's like, Hey, let's open up the floodgates and put a little bit of pressure on these other teams. Yeah, that's a great question. It's something that I learned watching Tom dealing with baseball players because it was a lot more open and and and make it a more public. And you know, he came, it was a time also where Bob Goodnell came in and you guys dealt with Bob there a bit too. He was all about, you know, you know, no air and use player salaries and making sure that everyone knows what you're making so we're disclosing. So it was a time other sports were ahead of us for sure in baseball. Goodnell was pushing hard on making sure to disclose. And my first real interaction actually locally here was when Dave Taylor, that's a long time Dave Taylor that Charlie Simmers and Marcel the young line, they were just about to retire when I came here. Ron Salser was an agent, started then we're on and Ron was really, he pushed them. I think Dave was making 600 grand a year, which was huge. He was able to raise the tide right there. That was a really first sign. And all this happened, I would say because of all the noise that we were able to go through in California in a form club like with other sports, it's changing information. So a serious question is that's exactly how that started and and and and and McGoonow came in. It was about every player's contract got to go up and he used to give us shit when we didn't, you know, why you should have got seven 15s that are seven and a quarter, what the fuck were you doing? You know, like, okay, you know, no, nowhere. So, so I mean, I need to hear about your experiences with Sid. Obviously, that's a big part of kind of why I'm doing what I'm doing for sure. And just the 8.7 number is so funny. It's like such a great storyline with his career. Cause I imagine at times you're like, Sid, please, Sid more wit or pie me. I'm like, Sid, you must have been Sid, please, please, but he is that superstitious that it's just been funny. That's always been the number. Yeah, he's very superstitious. As you guys know, we played with him and the number, yeah, 8.7 playing with that, but the first contract out of entry level, the first one out of entry level, we're looking at everything. And I remember Mario and Ron Berkel were actually not happy with us because they wanted to do a 10 year deal. I don't blame it back then. You can do 10, 12 years. And you have such a great asset like, like, Sid. And it was at the time. Also, the penguins were potentially selling because they sold to this guy boosted the graduate one point and they felt through and, I mean, there was a hundred million. Can you imagine? It was a hundred million. And when Sidney, when Sidney's ball, the lottery ball came, you know, with no point in thinking about it, when Pittsburgh won the lottery, they changed the price to 110 million to 140 right away on that day. But but to fast track here, when we negotiate out of entry level, I remember they want us to do a long term deal. And then we decided to do short term and 8.7 made sense out of entry level because it was about 16% of the count, which is in, we were looking at eight, eight, eight, four, eight, five, eight, six, nine. That's the first time the 8.7 came again from a financial standpoint and, you know, made sense. The second time around, the second time around, Sidney had a major concussion as well. No, he was out for almost a year. He came back, he played 15 games or so. So then his contract was up. He was able to extend. He came back so we sat down in the office in Pittsburgh. I remember Mario's there, the ratio, David Morehouse, Ron was on the speaker phone. We're going back and forth and people think it was easy, but you're not that easy. And, uh, because they couldn't ensure Sidney's contract, the second time, they couldn't ensure his head is head. So we go in and we're, we were talking about certain numbers in certain time, length of time, and, um, we're talking 60, 70 million or whatever. And, and, and we decide, Sidney and I are having many conversations. And it says, you know, 25 years old. I'm not going to play at 35 years old. I don't know where I'm going to be in 10 years from now. He just came up big concussion. The way he plays the game, guys, you know, he grinds it. He goes traffic. He said, why don't we do a longer term D will lower the AV? And I'll be happy. So then we're talking to talk about 100 million, 104 million, the 12 years divide. Then it then we're again, we're close to the eight seven. But then Ron Mario and then while, while, while this is a lot, not that it was a lot of, it was a lot of money, but it's a big guarantee. When God forbid, it gets in, he gets hurt. Because of the concussion, it happens, some things that happens again, and my career might be over, then ownership's on the hoop 100 million. So there was a debate during longer term, shorter term, or at the end of the day, we, we've all agreed that this is what Cindy wanted to. And this is what we all wanted and made sense. And with all the respect, this is the building that he held building. The team would be, it'd be Kansas City now. The team would, no one, no one, or a debate of that. And ironically, sign a 12 year deal in the last three years, because we front-loaded the contract. He's making three million a year, because we didn't know the question. And then last three years, he's making three million a year. Well, his guy should be making 50. And he did well for himself, marketing and all that. He's never, you know, I mean, I do believe that superstars in our game. 2K assigning still. Is it a 2K assigning still for said? Can I take the page of the Luke's book, 2K 2K for assigning? Okay, the first, yeah, yeah, the A is, is it a fact that that team was moving to Kansas City? Like, no doubt if, if Sid's not there. Oh, a, the team was sold. The team was sold, guys, for, I think it's about a hundred and a hundred and ten million. It was sold. And then, remember, that's the year of the lockout. So they had a pure lottery draft. And Pittsburgh got balls. And, and they had five balls in in the thing there. And they ended up winning the lottery. So it was on July 22nd. I remember, I was in Halifax. I remember exactly where I was when I remember me too. My brother ran out, ran out to the front yard. He's like, Pittsburgh just won the lottery. Like, they're getting cross-been. I'd already been picked. I was like, what? Everyone remembers that. I was like, I'm going to, I got a new line made. I said, the ball hit. I said, perfect. Let's go. We're going to win a cup. Oh, yeah. And well, busy, y'all almost ended up in Kansas City. They - Yeah, man, if it was, you know what, that's what the team was somewhere for sure. Boots, they'll be agile at the rights of the purchase price. He was lagging to find a bonus, I mean then a bonus, but a payment for some sort. So they kept pushing the date. And July 22nd, if I'm not mistaken, occurred shortly when the lottery, Ron and Mario talked and all of a sudden, oh, the price went up, it's a difference. Ron was like, and he's a great business man. He's a, unfortunately, he's missed a couple payments. He paid on time, we wouldn't have the choice, but now we have to, the deals got to change. And now the price went up, and so the price went up. And then it's that old thing when the Balcili from Blackberry got in the mix too. You guys were all part of it. - Great movie, yeah, it's a great movie. - It's true, true stuff. And then, so again, they were talking about selling a team, so why would Sydney commit to 10-year deal even out of actor level when there's a lot of turbulence? Not knowing if there's gonna be a new stadium. And so they have to get a casino license in order to get the right to be that stadium. And then fast forward again, the team went from 140 to what they sold three years ago. Nine in the quarter and now it's work. They just sold for 1.7. - Oh my God, it's great. The numbers and what you've seen is just so wild. But quickly back to Sid, was it, what was he, about 14-15? Like I'm wondering about how you ended up getting him. And that's like the, 'cause that kid, I mean, you heard about him when he's 12. And all of a sudden the race to sign this kid, it was on and it was on early I'm guessing. So take me through, you know, Meetin' Troy's father and kind of meeting him as a kid and seeing how he was wired. 'Cause it was different from the start. - Yeah, we totally agree. I mean, he was actually 13. He played in the tournament in Toronto in the spring tournament. He was playing two age, two age, up used. And 87 playing with 85s. And so someone called me and said, you gotta come and watch this kid. He's unbelievable. And I always use 13, 13, it's, I don't, it's two, you gotta see this kid. And as far as Troy Crosby, you played against Troy. I said, yeah, played against Troy. He put his goal in. And we're done. And I knew Troy a little bit. It says, he really, so I went to the tournament. I get there, it says the smallest kids. He got a jersey going on his knees and he's short. They won four two. I remember four two, he had three points actually. I was going to assist. And he dominated the game. He had the puck on his stick goal game. And he was driving every place. And so I spent some time with his dad during the game and after the game, I got to meet Sid. He came in and looked at me in the eyes and started asking me really great questions like there. Not so much about the CBA, but about the business and about development. Like, I'm talking to 13-year-old kids. And he was asking questions of an 18-year-old kid like way ahead of his time. I wear everything. Like, you know the eyes, you see it? And I got to meet the second kid. I saw like that was Maclin's celebrity. I was just going to say that. We interviewed him. I was like blown away by his maturity. Same age. And I got to see Maclin too. I shot up with my younger son and at the Chicago steals. And I got to see the steps. But I saw Sid point 2.0. You know, that focus determination. I must admit that most kids first, second overall, they do have that special chip. Young, they do have that. But yeah, Sid had that amazing drive and knowledge, both on and off the ice, out of conduct himself. And he hasn't changed. That's what's in the market. I know, it's crazy. 38 years old, he's the same, same, same pattern, same ways. So, then we invited him to a camp in LA. And then he turned 14. He came to, and that's where Gretz saw him. His Gretz came to watch one of our skate. His Eddie Mio was working with us. And Eddie said, "Gretz, you should come and watch this kid." And that's where Gretz, oh my god. And everyone, I mean, you could see. He was three years ahead of his time. Then we put him on the ice a year or two later with pros. I mean, Shelley was on the ice with him. And I remember that at TSC here in Shelley called me after. And he says, I mean, I gave the kid the gap to jump in. You know, as a D, I gave him, he didn't bite. I bit first, and he went around me. And Shelley fucking slashed him though. He gave him a shot. He was, you know, and I've met Shelley told me, "I've never seen, I don't see NHL players taking this." Usually, they take that space. I get a smart guy. He gave him, and at 15, Sid didn't bite and got around, you know, at Hall of Famer, Chris Jelio. And I said, you know, probably the last time he went around him, that way. And then we had our camps in LA, 'cause we did our camps here. We did our development camps where we bring our prospects here to teach him about nutrition and development. I'll fight everything exposed him to a lot. T.R. Goodman, that is a memory guy state. T.R. Goodman in a gold gym there with Blake and Glenn Murray, all those guys. And so we brought Sid into that environment was very good. And Sid was already starting to work with Andy O'Brien. And he was learning too. And Mario used to come in and train also. There's an amazing environment environment, but again, Sid was absorbing like a sponge every day. He made us all better. He made the game better. He made me better. I mean, you guys as well playing with him, you know what I mean? So it's been a fascinating right. Then when you get a guy like Sid, and I'm sure everyone wants to be one of your clients, right? Is there one guy that maybe you said no to that like the one that got away, that you kind of kicked yourself a little bit? I have a few. Oh my god. I mean, I could say, I mean, I remember Nick Suzuki, Bob's father was an internament with me. And we were his son, his younger son Ryan was playing as an all-on, my son Brennan's an all-on, playing the tournament and sweetened with the, the, what do you call the selects? So we're in the tournament together. And Ryan's playing with Brennan, good player and all that. And Bob, his father was talking and we're having great conversation at least. I have an older son. He says Nick, he's two years older. He's a good player. He says he's probably going to need an agent. People are calling. And I said, let's wait a little bit Bob. How old is he? I think he was 14, 15. And so we should wait, Bob. And then six months later, he calls me, says, you know, he says I think he's becoming more, more serious. And we weren't even sure yet. We were, you know, and then a year later, a cycle of Bob is a path too late. I got an agent now. So I ran into him in Montreal. Six months ago, we're talking. And I said, was I was I wrong? Oh, what about you son? I'm so happy for you guys. And we already wait till it happens today. Listen, it's hard enough on NHL Club to draft a T year old. It's, we got to have their 14. So I, we made a lot of bad and good ones, obviously. That's, that's the thing that I'm curious about. And I've talked to different agents now about before, you know, yeah, superstars, 14 years old, even 13 was said. But now it's everyone at 12, 13 years old. And it's like, nobody wants to do it. But you guys all have to do it. And I get it because it's like, all right. Well, everyone else is doing it. But I guess the toothpaste is out of the tube. It'll never really come back. But then it creates this like, all the sudden the kid's 16, he hasn't developed and you're sitting there like, ah, you know, I imagine there's some issues with that for, for all agents. Well, sure, because we want to make a commitment. You make a commitment. We made commitment to kids who were 14, 15. Never got drafted. They end up laying in Europe or the East Coast league. And we, we followed through with our commitment because that's, it's our business. We're in a service business and it's important. Our words are, are important. But, but to your point, it's too young. My opinion in Sweden, they have a great law, a great rule, which they follow very religiously, 16 years old. It's January 1st of the year that the kids are turning 16. So we have viewings in November, December. We, we have our development group there in Sweden watching these prospects. And then we go in on the first of January. We make our presentations. We target four kids. We end up with two or three sometimes. And that's, we're happy with it. Now, here it's your point. Crazy. Should be, we wish, we hope that at one point it could change. 16 would be a good age, 15, 16. Let the kids be kids, like I was telling someone, I was at a P. We tournament in Quebec with my kids when they were 12 years old. And people were saying, are you here to watch this kid or that kid? I said, I'm here to watch my kids. And shape, you shame on anyone who's trying to talk to 12 year old right now. Let them be kids for a little bit more in game and other games than hockey. But at the same time, by call of 14, 15 year old kid, where were you two years ago? Sometimes. So we have to manage that expectation. It's, I don't want to use the word pregnant on us, but some of these kids that they become two also, the thing they're arrived. And my biggest cliche is is, if you're, if you, if you, if you think you're arrived, you as good as gone. Yeah. And I applied that on me as well every day. You know, you never arrived. So these kids at 15, they think they're arrived. Good luck with that view in your background. I think you arrived. Yeah. You ain't going anyway. The weather's been nice this year. Yeah. Um, you mentioned that rule overseas. Like so if, if an agent over there or anybody tries to reach out to them, like what type of penalty is there? Like how do they enforce it? They're all the agents are all licensed in the suite. And so all our agents are saying and they think it very very seriously like you can't even talk to the parents or like how does it You thought you could talk to parents to hey on on January 1st You'll be getting a call from us. You got to be very careful. They don't they follow the rule. It's good good archable They've added for like I would say 10 to 12 years at least and every year we talk about it internally Wow, I can't we do this here North America as well and and and look at their development and that's just a small aspect Of a country with what 10 million people having a hundred and eight cellars. It's like it makes you look at everything that they do over there And that's something I didn't even know about. It's like there you go There's another thing. I feel like they just with they just don't get wrapped up in all the bullshit Excellent culture Excellent culture. You're rainbow. They don't get wrapped up in all the bullshit and the loyal once you make a commitment Fantastic to work with and they have an amazing platform. I agree and and the bullshit stuff because here We have too much stuff coming at the kids all the time sensory overload That's actually like I was talking to like to somebody about even the like the bedard stuff where someone said that he Toned it down a little bit on his training because they see all this other stiff stuff that all the other kids are doing So they almost get like over stimulated. They feel like they need to do it all in order to get to that level So like it kind of just goes back to what you're saying it feels like they say a little bit more more just focused and And do away with a lot of the nonsense. We talk about all the time I've never played with a bad Finner a bad suite. Yeah. Yeah, all good character with but it goes back to Sid too and that like He's never switched. He's just stayed like you're saying like I have I can get better There's more for me to do so for you to have that as your guy It's okay. Hey listen everyone. You guys want playing the NHL this kid has never ever like thought he'd made it and it's crazy And then you could show that in not when he was 17. We had brands coming out of us He made he was making pretty good money and I put the moles for a kid before turning pro Big brand good brands as you know that Tim Horton said Gatorade he was with sure with it. I'm any sort of the Reebok pump that became a big thing And he had a press conference Sid during the lockout. Yeah, 25 riders had showed up in November Oh four and he made an amazing he was 17 16 at that time an amazing presence presentation, but I remember having a meeting with him after that and he says you know what? It's time to turn down a little bit. He said I haven't played a game in the NHL What do you think the NHL players are gonna think of me? Yeah, like I I Haven't earned. I'm not there yet. So I learned we learned from him like well As a young agent what? Telling me these things like he's he's thought about them. So that's how we've used now He's more open-minded today when we talk about the younger generation about. It's a different world social media Kids branding more He understands that and most older players understand that a little bit better now because it's inevitable It's in our lives every day like how we approach Gavin McKinnon or or macris celebrity They're entitled to Start doing but as long as it's managed as long as your priorities are in the right place But Sid obviously was raised the right way if he's even thinking like that at such a young age I feel like the onus has to be on the parents a little bit more nowadays with my kid needs an agent my kid needs It's like just let your kid develop. Oh, they get caught up. Yeah exactly. They get caught up parents get caught up at Troy and Trina They're not get caught up. They were amazing that way. They were hard. I'm gonna love from them And then we remember I mean down your dad will used to I used to sit down with you that and Troy We had practices sometimes you get you that way and talk to them and Troy was there. He watched everything but he very humble very you knew what he had in his hands But he also never got ahead of it. I mean you got emotional like we all do But it's starting to parents are extremely important. I appreciate it Troy because like you said he knew that this was different But he was he was never at all cocky or or arrogant about it He was there and he was focused, but he presented himself as very normal guys because that's what he is So it was like that definitely is there what Keith saying that matters because if the dad's old pump in his chest What the hell do you think the kids gonna do? 100% he was always even feel that way have you had to talk to any parents and Over the years I'm in like hey, you got to settle down a little bit 100% 100% I do it more than ever like him Obviously very comfortable what I do been doing for a long long time So I tell tell the truth. I'll tell the way. I think I believe it should be And they respect that to the most part, you know, if you tell the truth I mean though I think what it's coming from as well and we've had a lot of experience in this business and so we give good examples of why we think it's important to I mean back off it's You know we want them to be closer kids. It's not the issue. We're never gonna replace We're not here to replace it, but they have to understand the role at time and and we give them examples and I've had situations where I didn't we didn't see eye to eye and we prefer to stay away and it's not worth our time either I'm wondering about about Caner because the fact that like he breaks the record most points all time for an American, right? But when Sid was coming in it was evident to everyone. I don't think anyone thought oh this kid's not gonna light it up It was everyone knew but Cane there was questions, right? He was a little bit smaller more like slight, but you yourself were you like oh, no, this is a no-brainer Just like I'm seeing the same type thing. I Well, I can say I can't say it's a no-brainer, but I do remember. It's a great story, too I do remember because they spend more time at Pittsburgh Mario Sydney live with Mario I went to see Caner play in London and He scored a goal He comes in the slot. He's a lefty comes in the slot He's about 15 feet from the slot and he puts the puck like you know when you have an orange ball in your stick And he could go whatever you want because it's light. He's got the puck and he roofs the top shelf not not moving his body We're just going like this And I'm like I don't know if people see what I just saw that I could do that with it all But you know what I mean just like and he's I came back I was going to Pittsburgh because they went to playoffs and I actually went to dinner at Mario's house and were downstairs It's a great scene and I I was privileged to see Sid is sitting there with Mario too Legends and I walk in there. I said guys. I just saw kid play last night. He did something I'm not even sure any of you you do you two can do the pocket. He looked like excuse me Excuse me. I said guys drug test. Yeah, but what I just fucking witness this is sick and he kept doing shit on the eyes That I you know what Mario's got crazy hand and I coordination but just a way and they both look at all really I said no guys And I said and you know, so Canner Well, what he became also he became that you know, I'm sure of course camera canner and the tapes and all that they Looked up to Sid and how he did things but canner became the guy that a 15 year old kid wants to wants to watch because the way plays the game and When he was 20 when he was 25 30 35 even at 37 Canner is still canner the same slip like, you know the skill skill even with our endorsement deals with Bauer like at times you know Players towards the under career. They're not as attractive to the younger crop. They're looking up to biscuits and sticks canner never change because he's always been such a Target for a young audience to look up to because he's so skill so special Now he went to Chicago Perfect timing, you know, obviously had a good team around him, but he was able to and great coaching and he was able to do What he you know when cups and all that and he had his setbacks in all body he he managed this extremely serious I mean he's is an amazing example For all players and work ethic determination. What guys what he had to go through Last surgery the hip to resurfacing. Yeah, we spoke to Six doctors and he ended up with the rehab and he was working Four to five hours a day Rehaving this thing to make sure they could play it's it's it's it's remarkable the fact that he is age You can still do what he's doing. He broke the all-time record. He keeps going and amazing career. It's a privilege. They document it We we we do have well we documented more Jack Eichel's Surgery that's an old different bite. We documented a little bit more footage, but we have a lot on on Caner with the rehab with E-Mac entire actually and with Eichel we had Mark Lindsay because the rehab is key. Surgery is a very important. Don't get me wrong But the rehab the determination these guys E-Mac entire shut out to these guys and Matt my mark Lindsay what they did with those guys in terms and the players You know We'll power to make sure that they rehab correctly Those are amazing examples because they were far out. I mean the two surgery was talking about Caner It resurfacing well, I look at the list of guys who have done it like like like nobody's really come back like back Shroom tried to never look the same Job both like who who I see pretty much the only guy that's ever had a successful like recovery and being able to perform at the level that he has By far now he is the only one yes by far and a new going in though I say, "Newly will." was going to be a tough one and he was so committed to this. He moved to Toronto. He was there like he was so focused. Again, we're witnessing greatness when you see these guys, not only breaking records, but they have that. You can't teach that almost. It's fascinating. How many more years you think Caner's going to play? I'm comfortable to sing a couple years. You know, Jesus Christ. I'm comfortable for him. As long as this guy we're going to have to take him. You know what I mean, he loves the game. I mean, so much. If Detroit doesn't want him, we got a team in Greensboro. We can put him on. We need a little help. We're in the basement. If you want to put an investment in too, we'll take that as well. We're trying to get some better sticks and helmets for the players. I let him know. Caner is one of those guys, right? Like you mentioned, he had some setbacks. He just broke the record, but you look at every single one of those guys in the team, USA that just won it. Like he's pretty much every guy's favorite player going in and obviously with the shit that happened, you know, earlier in his career, like how proud are you of him now? Like just the man that he's become? Because you see all the clips with him and his son before games and you got to just be have a sense of proud, pride of him. I'm so proud of him. Again, we're talking about family. We're talking about the parents influence about Donna and Pat Sr. Fantastic parents, fantastic family sisters. The family environment there, the support that he had during these tough times and and and the willpower of making sure that he makes the right decisions and does the right thing going forward in the support of his of his wife, Amanda. I mean, he's an amazing example. We're talking about him the other day too. And all our players, one of the most responsible is Patrick Kane. Like if you text him, if you, it's it's it's like clockwork, clockwork. So he's an example, both are on and off the ice. He's an amazing, again, for a young American, no, a young hockey player to look up to him. And that's why I keep saying that his style of play hasn't changed. It's it's so attractive to that generation of players who won the gold. They were all looking up the canter. But if you look at all the kids coming up that even even Gavin McCann, I know, they look up the canter still, you know, you have a story that you can share in a player that you maybe once represented would be okay with you sharing where it was a crazy deal that you basically had teed up that it never ended up going down. Like what are some of the like the craziest contracts and moves, maybe fans are unaware of where they're like, wow, that guy almost signed with this almost like a Klingberg type thing where yeah, yeah, I'm thinking a quick quick on that one. Well, it's also hard to because you like if you don't know there are no, they are stories for sure. They are like you guys are retired today. There's so many. Like another one, like, and one I could think of too is like when Wayne, I heard that he told us that he was offered 20% of Vancouver connox. Like I don't think we'll see a player ever get any type of equity in a team, which if I was Connor McDavid, I would probably at this point be asking that for some yes, but but is there any like any equity stories that you have or no equity stories other than before before before before before when it first started when when when Luke came here Bruce McNull got Luke an apartment in Malibu in the beach, you know, that year rookie year. So that's what we that's one reason why I'm still here too. By the way, we had an apartment in in Malibu on the beach where you put Steve Dushan and Luke and I there. That's the couch that I borrowed. It wasn't a bad couch at all, but but at the time owners were able allowed to do gift cars or pay mortgage and all that. Since the CBA was, you know, in I had probably 94. After then the whole four after that, it was probably changed completely. The crazy stuff that I we've had situations with players that great options they decided to. I mean, like a tough one for Danny Breyer was when he decided to go Philly. Montreal was in his heart. It was a big offer as well. I remember that out loud. I'm thinking out loud with a table Danny because the flyers are in town this weekend. That was a tough one. Grew up in Montreal. That is huge offer on the table. Probably a little bit more money actually. One point he was making. He's signed 52 million. I think 6.5 might have had an extra million on the table per year. Danny Breyer was one of those kids player. The time will almost quit and went through Europe when he was 22 years old. He had an offer for 200 grand and he turned it down. I actually better meeting with him at that time. So let's give yourself another year and he ended up playing another year and end up. So, but that's but there's I'm sure there are more of his great stories. I put you on the spot. I didn't know if there was a great thing. You know, I can pull a rabbit out of your ass and give us a story for all time. I got a question about a guy and that's that's the dog Nathan McKinnon. Now, when Sid agreed to sit down with us, it was it was huge for our show. It like it was a big moment in spitting chicklets. And because of Sid, you know, Nate agreed to do it up in Halifax. And I was amazed that the interview is so open and honest about when he went through the struggles, right? Like he ended up seeing a sports psychologist and the difference that made. And I'm wondering for you with the expectations when he wasn't lightening up and it was the 50 point years, how was it for you dealing with them? Because the pressure he puts on himself, I can't imagine, you know, the phone calls you're getting in those years of him not becoming the Nathan McKinnon we see today. Yeah. Well, he he was also very young. He started. He's a late East is a September first. He came to the league. He was turning 18 high expectations. He's put a lot of pressure on himself to start with. And being around Sid was a great thing too. Because Sid was there with training together competing against them with him. The first three years in NHL, he had higher expectations for himself. And he put a lot of pressure on himself. And in year three, that's when we did that extension. And I remember meeting with him and he said something that I know it can be very good in this I could be good in this league. But I got to be great. I got to find a way. And we're talking about, you know, as Nate, I know you got the heart. You got the will. No one's going to push you. He's one of those tame and Malibu is the opposite. You know, you never have to push him. It was for him to find a way to apply the right energy in the right areas that he figured out on himself with his sports psychologist. And he figured himself out where when is it time for me to apply the right amount of pressure? Because he was always on like, you know, the valves is on 100% and he was able to learn to manage himself better and apply the amount of not only efforts, but you know, focus and determination was there. But just managing, I would say, schedule and his amount of focus in the right areas at the right time. He learned it pretty much on his own. And with this person, he was talking to and within a year, he went from 47 points or something. Because we did a deal. He was at 47 points and he had 50, he went from there to 95 points and he finally took over to another level. I mean, again, he was young. 18, 19, 20. He was figuring himself out. There's never made a question that he wasn't pushing hard enough. He was just, he was pushing hard on all cylinders all the time. But then he learned how to channel the right, the proper effort or proper energy in the right areas at the right time. Had you ever had a client prior to that to take that path as well, who was maybe having some some mental blocks and needed a little bit of guidance? Like, had you ever seen it before that time? Because I feel like maybe it was a little bit like, not, not frowned upon, but maybe old school guys weren't as open to talking to a professional. Yeah, they usually we found it with players who didn't have his talent. They were applying a lot of pressure and themselves just to stay in the league or like, you know, like to. But for him, he was, we all know that he's got a special talent. He's got a gift, but he had both of them and the approach was different because because again, he had high expectation, first overall, super talented. And so the difference that I've seen in the past with players in a similar situation, they didn't, they weren't first overall. They didn't have the same expectations in themselves. They were more trying to kind of stay in the league a little bit more. It was, but to your point to biz, players didn't open up much. Only if they had a few beers back then, like, like, like, I've had situations are very confidential where I've had players like meet me there and they like, and we, you know, with 10, 12 beers in front of us and we just talk it, talk it back. That's how it used to be, our therapy, you know, and just before he got off the bus, he was all, yeah, a few, the player had a few already, he was already, it was the way for us to cope with at least getting the essence of the message in which he was trying to express to us. Things have changed and now we, and we welcome good voices with our players like, I don't want to have all the answers. We don't have all the answers. They're professionals that don't know anything. I'm a hockey, but they're just, they understand other pieces of life that makes them connect in that bucket that they need to connect in order to balance their life. So our responsibilities goes there as well to find that person and helping. Sometimes it's an uncle or something to someone who actually, but most part, they don't even know shit about hockey. Yeah. Interesting. You know, being in LA for as long as you have and, you know, having a guy like Anzacopatar, that kind of two-part question, did you have him before he was even drafted? No, we got Colpy here and after Zentral Level contract, we brought the seam a lot here and [BLANK_AUDIO] relationship and so we got him and his third year here just before second contract. What's it been like just being around him and you know he's another guy seems like a you know no maintenance guy just goes out there does his job every single year leads by example just the great ambassador for the game as well. Amazing I call it autopilot like you were talking about still our career low maintenance consistent seat and other level. Yeah from a one to 10 he's a 10 plus like taking care of himself they can care of his teammates they can care of his family producing winning cups. I mean come on. I mean copy is the is by far isn't that bucket with with Crosby like he's right there is right there like a enrollment like I guess auto autopilot like like rarely need you'll take care he's extremely smart and again I find that most if not all those guys are brilliant they're smart guys if they if they weren't any players a lot of them they've been doing something since they're they have a gift I call the chip a lot of times you know what I mean they had that special was the copy. Again I've been privileged to be working with him the past but 18 years it's been unbelievable it's kind of sad he's retiring but we understand what he's at and he's such a first class everything about him and Ellie's going to do a lot for him once you be tires I mean he's arguably been not the best most consistent asset they've ever had in this franchise is 60 years I know another phenom you have Gavin McKenna and I don't know if you saw this pitch on the podcast but after that incident that went down I did I said yeah this is the fishing lure idea the right hook by Biz and Gavin and actually we have some prototypes here are we going on we hope we get that number one lottery ball because that's a a Toronto Maple Leaf one right there I know it has my name in the middle but it will be Gavin's when we end up launching these what does he think of the pitch and and what do you think of a revenue split for for my genius idea well you know I like the 50 50 you know that from the get that's how you started me too I love 50 50 just like just like a marriage yeah and he you know grew up you know we got the animal in the show we told you about his fishing experience and all that so I think it's in the brainer biz we gotta we gotta focus on that after the season's over before and I'm saying it publicly out loud we got we gotta we gotta clip this careful though you be careful we're gonna do a personal guarantee off of Gavin's first contract to by the way you might not want to play you might have too much money with the right hook but you so be careful guys he's offering a minimum guaranteed that you've heard this and you start with a minimum guarantee so that's good start what I thought was crazy though is the fact that he has to travel and not be home in the summer because they don't have an arena that has ice in the summer so what better idea if we ended up doing the right hook where maybe all proceeds go to like building a rink in his hometown named after maybe his grandfather who he idolizes yeah the the light bulbs going off over here busy got me sold it's a great pitch honestly and you touch all the right buckets he wants to give back this community wants to build a ring there it's very important we've talked about it so now we have to we gotta find the right distribution the right deal first of all right distribution and then we're gonna start a campaign forget body armor and power I think it's a category we can explore it's not equipment it's not quick service restaurant something fish we know we should definitely look into it and and business out of pitch I remember is a is a bucket challenge there off the helicopter that was that was genius was in the banana hammock I remember he still got loans out he's got a pay on that ice bucket challenge yeah I'm wondering for an agent I had to pay for therapy for all the people who saw me in my banana hammock that's where all the money went um draft weekends kind of wild right and and I remember you know my experience and I I wonder for the agents right like you had a kid Gavin mechanic this year and probably goes first overall but are there times where you know it's going to happen with Sid and stuff but there's other times you're like hey you might go first you might go second and are you always kind of doing your best to figure out you're able to tell them where they're gonna go before the actual event yeah I would say I would say 90 98% of the time we've known who was first okay when John the verse went first Edmund what second D'Shane went third we represent D'Shane and the various I remember Garth snow Garth's not that he wasn't tell me but I was trying to fight out you know Garth's you know it was hard to read and we we felt John was going to be first but other than that we pretty much have a good idea I would say four months in advance but within a week or so so yeah as any guy ever said I don't I don't want to go there you know like a Eli Manning type thing no I haven't had a situation where the well Indross I didn't represent at the time where Eli Manning that we didn't never had in juniors we've it's a different draft we managed that different but not any show you mentioned that said kind of was like hey we're doing a lot too many endorsement deals here let's just kind of stay focused it made me minimize it what is the craziest pitch other than the right hook what's the craziest pitch for an endorsement deal and or what's the craziest amount of money that you were offered from a client for a client perspective for an endorsement deal I had it we had an amazing deal without it's hard to mention the money I mean around the Olympics we had an amazing 2010 a year before where pretty good brand offer me a lot of money and it didn't work out I mean I'd like to give you more specific I'm trying to help you here I know your question is going like like like eight digits like well there been there's been some deals where we should have took equity let's put it this way like vitamin water like we did a small deal where we should have gone all equity you know but sometimes what are of these deals you go equity most of them you go equity a lot of them that's why we want a minimum guarantee the fish the fish the hook that one debating if I want to go equity if I want to go with what do you mean we're gonna own this mother we're building that the ground up so so vitamin water was the one that you guys got involved with that you think eventually popped off the most based on what it's yeah we're a couple players doing fine with it it's amazing if they would have convert their their their stock into their cash into equity even if it was 150 grand or 200 grand that 200 grand could have been three to five million yeah but if you do that all the time with brands and most of them are startups they you gotta be that's why you go in with the minimum guarantee or it's worth your time but it's like now all the AI well they don't need us right but the AI there's a lot of opportunities out there but if you only go stocks you never know if one pops I mean it's crazy so yeah you might end up in the same place based on like all the yeah um what was the craziest product one one another one that we could have gone in with equity was a whoop you know like whoop they were looking I remember they had a second phase of investor investment so we could have dove with a little deeper into that and then but could have sure that we're the those are two out of 500 and the other 500 probably didn't go you know so but we also rely on our experts we learn that a lot of times our experts which are financial advisors they're no experts either because most major venture capitalists they'll invest in 20 companies and two or three will pop high and probably 15 of them won't work as much in the average so we're trying to stay in our late what do you think a number would have to be to get Sid to change his jaw strap he's a he's a creature of habits man I to change that I he's a many opportunities to change I mean look he still has everything the same crazy yeah yeah it's stitching it together still what about with what about do you like a joint do like his junk molded it and like that's the cup yeah that's like that one yeah I love it keep it in with that one I actually am coming around to it right now okay I just needed a second to think about it but I'm wondering for McKenna this new kind of crazy age of NIL like how did you even go about approaching that and figuring out yeah we're gonna leave medicine hat we're gonna go to college now we can make money in college like yeah how did you figure that out and and now it's a it's a uncharted territory probably becoming a little bit more comfortable with so yeah again our team you know Matt Williams and Bernrich Jr team around Gavin we start talking to Gavin a year ago when he was in Western Hockey League about hey you know what a lot of players at 19 years old will be playing NCAA you've been in the you know CHL for a couple years now probably time for you to move up and once he made the decision to start exploring schools we all knew he had many offers it never came about the NIL he we ended up talking to four schools he had his mindset on Penn State so much some personal reasons he made it again I go back to the chip like he made it he did his home home his home work we talked to four schools with good offers you know good money and it was never about that I mean it sincerely, it had to be within the ballpark at the end of the day, but the first determination focus is for him to pick the right school. There were other schools offering really good money with and also really good environment in order for him to continue to become the player that he is or he continues to become. But more importantly for him was the overall package more than the NAL. N-I-L is important just to the next stand, but it's not like I was talking to a basketball guy yesterday. I mean just even basketball women basketball, they're talking about three to five million dollars. It's crazy. We're not there in hockey, we're not there but we're navigating this world right now with players should be gaining, some of them should be in 50, 7,500 and then why not? I mean it's, it shouldn't be, the decision shouldn't be made on that because your goal should become the best player, best version of yourself to become the best NHL player. And then at that point, if you make a decision to go in a different market, make less money, or more money if you have the ability to do so, then it's fine. I'm wondering about Quinn Hughes this season, right? It's a crazy deal. He decides, I'm not going to resign in Vancouver. The madness around that behind the scene, it must have been crazy because I'm sure there's where he are. Well, what are they going to think about me? I don't really care. I don't want to be here anymore. That part for you had to be difficult along with, you're probably behind the scenes figuring out different spots, right? Like it's not just the GMs doing that. Are you involved in that at all? Yeah, we were very involved in this case. You didn't have an O-Trey clause or no move clause, but we, our relationship with the Vancouver would rather fit in Alvin and Mr. Aquilini. I mean we were very transparent from that. I wouldn't say from the beginning, but from the beginning once we made a decision, in October, I would say that it's got two years left before an extension or a year before an extension that we wanted to Quinn wanted to explore another market. We were very transparent with them. We did it in a very professional manner and they worked very closely with us. Where we knew which thing they were talking to, we were also privileged to know that a bit what package was offered to a certain extent. Not that it mattered to us as much was more important to know where he was going to end up. And once Billy showed a lot of interest in getting Quinn eaten mess around, he made a really good offer right away to his credit. Remember talking to Billy and he said, I'm interested and I'm not going to, I'm not going to waste any, any one's time. Whereas we were talking that there were other teams who were taking a little bit more time perhaps in their approach. Billy, Dr. Soxoff and Quinn was looking forward to go to Minnesota based on the other teams who were there as well. He respected the fact that Billy G went hard quick and that's also a great team. So that's how with no promises, you know, we were very clear with that because verbally promises of the summer to extend and we'll cross that bridge once we get there. The communications with GM's, I'm sure for you has changed a ton, even in the beginning of our careers, like even talking to the GM, I remember GM's coming in, don't have your fucking agent be call me if you're not yet night, like shit like that. But it seems like it switched a little bit, maybe more. It's because you were around these guys, you kind of grew up with them, but you know, and did you have any run-ins with Lou? Well, great question. We, when I first started this business, it was taboo for us just, GM's didn't want to talk to us, like Harry send them, and I started it. Bob Pullford, these guys were tough. They didn't give shit about you. And he told the players as well, they don't want to have you like you said, don't have your agent call me. I ran into a lot of tough ones that made me stronger than actually, it built my, I mean, my character, I had a lot of fucking fights with them and owners, tough ones like really deep ones with them. Would you, would you get fired and you tell them to fuck off right back? I'm a kind of guy. I'm pretty even keel, but when, when I go there, I go there, like, and I, on behalf of my players, or what I believe, 100%, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today if I didn't have that. No wonder we're gaffing on it. You can't. It's Grand Flaw that was a golden glove, remember? That's true. That's true. It's important. So you, you have to and, but the general managers today, ownership group, team presidents, everyone communicates way better differently. We do drop the gloves at time. You have healthy debates. You start to fuck your debates too, but communication level communication is way way way way way bad coaches. It paversers my coach in junior. He, he's, you know, and we remain of friends. I mean, we, we add an amazing relationship after, you know, I retarded it, but coaches today, even the way better with players. I mean, everyone communicates better. So as long as you make your point across straight and you're, you believe in, in your arguments, but you got to debate the right way and you have to, but both sides are now more, in other words, we earn the respect more in the past 15 years or so that we did when I first started. It was, we didn't have a voice. Didn't listen to us. They didn't give a shit. I'm wondering now we've talked a lot about the cap and where it's going and what we're hearing. It could be in three years. You've done, you know, the McKinney eight year deal. You've done long term deals. Are you town superstars? Hey, in my opinion, sign the four year because God knows where this thing is when that ends or is it more of the security of the eight year all up to the player? Like, do you see where people are now saying, Hey, if you're the best of the best, why you sign in eight years almost? Yeah. Yeah. That's great question again. So the business of hockey is going the right direction. We all know that. Now we are 50, 50, theater revenues are going up, the cap's going up. And because for years, we have players in the early 2000s who were making nine, 10, 11 million a year. And then we went from here to there. And now we're going up again. Our biggest focus for player coming out of intradable most of the time who has leverage who should have a great career. We'll get the potential injuries. You want to make sure that that players financially set. Hopefully God forbid. You know, so when you add a player like whether sit or came with thaves, the various out of intradable signing a five year was six years at six. At that time, 35, 40 million, you're set for life. If you if you make 40 million dollars and you, you spend a lot, if you, if you're broke after that shame on you now, shout out OBJ. Yeah. No, now it's the same 40 million you can probably get in three in four years. So you could do a four year deal for 10 now. Why not? And so we're all now hockey is a very physical sports, this potential injuries and all that. Unfortunately, but you also have, you can have this ability insurance prepackages. So I like the shorter term deal with the higher AAV now, depending also where you're at, financially and where you add on your team, you guys know better than than me. Going to the rake on happy is not fun. Going to the rake to practice. Once you have your contract, you don't even look at your paycheck everywhere. You know, you look, but you, you're going to rake. You want to be happy in the locker room. You want happy playing the game about a lot. So that is important. Very important, but financially being set, being able to now, because the cap going up, taking 12 million instead of eight times six, take 12 million times four, why not? And it's going to be more and more of that. Yeah, like you like maybe if not saying this is the case, but if you're Leon, you might like be looking at the caprisov deal and I say, I want a bit of a redo and should have maybe went to the Bouchard route with the four years times ten and a half. But I was going to ask you, so you have Jack Hughes as well, correct? Yeah. And you have Sidney Crosby. So we have a very interesting situation that just happened. I joked about it off the hop where Sid was cool with it going to the hockey hall of fame. And then Jack Hughes is kind of like, well, I kind of want the puck. I'm not taking a side here. It's actually a, it's actually a really good conversation to figure out like, does Jack Hughes deserve that puck? Like obviously, I think to grow the game and having on display at the hockey hall of fame is nice. But and then also the rule is is like the, the double IHF, at least the Olympics, they always hand off the memorabilia to the hockey hall of fame. Like they have a worked out agreement. Yeah. I'm just interested to get your thoughts on like what you think should happen and your, you have two clients on both into the spectrum at this point. Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, yeah, I'm glad you're asking it because I want to make it clear to very clear to it. So, so when Jack scored the goal two weeks ago, three, which so a few days later, we start talking, he say, where, where's the puck? And where was the puck? You know, I said, you know what, let me look at pronger does. Yeah. Oh, it's got it. And I, I said, let me look into it. So I call the league, uh, they say, you know, it's, it's the hall of fame as it. But the league doesn't also control the hall of fame when it's non NHL stuff. So took three, four days. It wasn't a priority, Jackson. Where's the puck? We just want to know it just. And then we found out a few days later that the IIHF and the IOC, I guess they, they do have a, some sort of an understanding with the I, uh, hall of fame. So I spoke to the PA as well, I spoke to Marty. So is that true? Because we just want to understand what the process is. When Jack was a few, a few days ago, Someone asked him where's the puck. Yeah, I said I'd like to have my puck Once Jack was explained last night after the game when we spoke Jack the puck is at the Hall of Fame because there's an An agreement with the IOC the IH strips. Oh great I'm honored to know that there's an agreement in place, and it's there. I'm fine And he said it publicly after the game last night. It was he was Could have been our fault to would inform him correctly. All he was asked where's the puck I'd like to have my puck, but he was so honored and he said it publicly last night to know outside of the Hall of Fame And Sid was asked a question not knowing Where it came from either so Sid wasn't taking a shot at Jack. No, and I didn't know I actually though Deeper yesterday. I met a few calls. So Sid needs puck in 2010 because you know it's 16 years. I don't I was tired of Brian or worth that framework, and I said Brian where he says Pat Remember it's it's the Hall of Fame because they have a deal as okay It's something that we didn't know really, you know It's the process now we understand that I guess they have an agreement between the IOC and the IHF The puck or certain pieces of equipment including the net maybe in the netting. Who knows? I don't know It goes at Hall of Fame. So for us We're good. Jack is good. He's fine with it now if he if he wasn't the case if The puck was just somewhere else and no No rights were given or granted now he probably want Absolutely. I just sometimes it's a little frustrating because like people say oh We want hockey players to be a little bit more animated and and not robots And then fucking this guy who just scored the biggest goal or one of the biggest goals in America hockey history I think he said originally maybe he wanted to gift it to his father to like show love to his family for what they did for him So I didn't really understand why everybody jumped down a throat I just was more of like wondering like oh like and also like the The fact that that was a pretty good agreement the double IHF slash Olympics get to use all the NHL players for free And then in return they get they get the puck. That's kind of a good deal. Yeah, it's a hell of a deal That's a bad agent with right hook It's like a luke robot. I was negotiating it In light of this conversation, you're right It might become a topic going forward who know between the IHF and the and and in this next agreement with the Olympics They made it may they may bring it up. I don't know, but you know, so But I just want to clarify because yeah, Jack was bombarded with it. It didn't even know crazy It reminded me remember the Red Sox wit it I think the first basement was that Miller guy and when the Red Sox won their first world series and whenever and he caught the last ball And just put it in this pocket and he's like I'm taking this bitch. No It's dugman cabbage. So I wonder if he even still has it, but like Why can't they just give it to the players and then put a replica in the hockey hall of fame? Like they scored the goal. I don't know. I feel like they should have it I didn't know how animated this would become like it just be can't it had a life of its own All of a sudden people are throwing shots at Jack use them. No, I think it's just a sensitivity of the fact that America is like basically They're they're flexing on candle right now because they did the clean sweep and candle is a little bit sensitive to everything right now So they use that as like oh look at our guy. Oh, he's all about growing the game where Jackson's like fuck dude He's like he's busy with super superstar icon pop stars right now. I mean, let's give the guy a break But you like when I broke the record for consecutive games they told me before they were like we're gonna take your stick your gloves Whatever it was I forget exactly what it was, but they told me before but how can they tell 40 guys before the game? Hey, if you score your sticks come in the puck's going like it's gonna be hard to figure that out But do you think I believe the NHL could have they have the rights also say we'll give him the gloves We'll leave it there yeah, but apparently apparently no quote me on this the iHF And the iOC have an agreement with the Hall of Fame. That's when it is yet. But you may change it's a process that Now we know now we're clarifying the next buck where it's going. We don't know yet. Who has his helmet? He chucked his helmet 400 feet in the air. I don't know that ended up. I don't even know that see He likes to throw things. He threw a stick in the crowd after an OT winner early in his career And he's chucking his bucket. Don't start this shit is American hero. He's an American hero. Don't take don't start see there's this yans was jumping down my throat Just like all the Canadians did to jack. I was pumping his tires. Jack is calling for you can back it up You saw him on a mac your feet did a hell of a job. Yeah, and now everywhere the kid. He's got it He's still comfortable. He's got swag. He can speak It couldn't have happened the better Spokesperson person for a game. Do you think we've ruined our opportunity to get him because of all the tape macrae stuff I was I was kicking up like did I that I fuck our chances? Oh, I don't know you're you're right in their biz I think he's gonna he's gonna come on and I am though We're gonna come up another item that we can probably partner with you What if we get what if we got what if we break into the Hall of Fame get the puck and then give it to him will he come on done That look it visits they've done already gone. I'll just pretend to be a crack head and like walk in there and like next thing you know do Yeah, where you leaves Jersey though you gotta have to put something else actually you know what we'll get our rate to do it So I would imagine those since that goal the amount of of brands and and companies coming at you for jack must be like you've never seen before No, I it's gone you know 10 fold for him in every category is there's a lot of demand though So memorabilia, you know that special moment with the flag and Picture with the smile in the broken teeth and that's why I did it. I actually just rip mine out to be more like jack. So pretty a little blood there too Yeah Yeah, it's it's it's it's been great It's been it's been good and so we're evaluating a few things now in the teams playing better since They're back from the Olympics. Obviously it's gonna be hard to meet the playoffs But he's been playing a great brand of hockey and and there's a lot going on Not only about the concept of endorsement deals, but also the story The story behind the scenes. There's a lot of things we're exploring right now. We're looking Here off obviously at CA with having a television division and motion picture. There's a lot of vibes What's interesting here guys is I walk into the the building and in Non-hockey fans people know really hockey. I mean, I would say I would say I get out of 10 people that I talk to right now They know what I do They they're amazed with with the Olympics and the story of hockey and in what it brought so much attention to our game It's so good for a game the Olympics and Again in this market here non-Canada, but this market here has so many other options for people to watch and see in this building here I mean, it's been So strong the level of attention for hockey since the Olympics What what's your opinion here because we're gonna be like we talked about it earlier in the podcast What's your opinion when you saw that there was gonna be no American buildings hosting any of these world cup of hockey games? I always is appointed um, I looked at the market and okay Calgary and Edmonton I mean there's no brainer no brainer. I was uh I was surprised and I don't know what took place. Why I was very very surprised and at least on the east coast I understand it are due to I don't maybe Vegas might have sold out like crazy Everywhere would have everywhere so so couple things apparently that the bid wasn't strong enough for many of the American cities Which I was also shocked to hear considering the US dollar and and where it's at Um people like you always get the internet idiot to say that Like the do you think that the world junior and the fact that the state of hockey Outside of team canela and team USA games were drawing horrendously. I don't I think you're comparing apples and oranges But you feel like they they they value that at all on on basing that decision Well, I think this decision was probably made prior to the Olympics going through the Olympics in my opinion and to your point about the world Junior's disappointment of the crowd that we had in Minnesota. I was there this year It probably played a factor Um, I'm assuming again, I'm not part of these conversations at the By December old 2025 they had pretty much a good idea of where they were going And they were looking at revenues and say you know well juniors or but post-Olympics right now I bet you that They revenues would be much higher and they would read If they had an opportunity again, I'm just giving you my opinion to reopen this They probably throw in 102 American cities in there. There's no doubt my mind vagus would sell or Another American. I mean, of course the east coast for sure Boston for sure in the york Um, and there's so much excitement after the Olympics in the US on the hockey front I'm seeing it here in a non-really hockey market more than I've ever seen Yeah, and call me naive you you also get this one too or the people I love these comments like oh turn on the news like oh you're like It's just like I could give two fucks about the political climate of of the United States or what's going on And when talking about hockey some of these people are so wrapped up in it where they're like oh jeez turn on the television That's why they're not playing any games in the states where it's like oh my god Well, there's too much to this a climate we live in unfortunately it's in our face every day and everyone's good that appear and I stay away from it as much as possible. And our players, and if you saw a lot of our players and handle the situation extremely well in their comments, don't get Trap into that bullshit. They're just I feel like they're just in their little the little little political world online We're just like nonstop where it's like a nobody care. We're talking about hockey here. Exactly the positive side of things That was awesome, dude. I don't know if you guys have any other ones Yanns or what? Oh, Pat. Thank you so much I I appreciate our our 20 minutes. You gave us your time and congrats on everything We we appreciate having you coming on with us. Well, I appreciate you guys. You're doing a great job I have a lot of respect for you to watch your show and you guys are doing fantastic And I'm very proud of you guys too because you got great hockey careers too hockey gave you everything Well, you did something even more you have even the better I mean their career going forward You had a lot ahead of you so congrats boys and thanks for your time and two quick ones on the way out Is there anything that we didn't ask you that you kind of wanted to talk about and the last one you talk about these 13-year-old Thin Oms like Crosby is that we should be looking out for right now I'm like a 12 or 13 year-old or your brother. I RJ RJ Celebrity we were sitting there when when the Mackin God is a Holy Baker last year two years ago and We're sitting there with with Robin and the Rick the parents and then RG sitting there Adon is old the brother But I just today with a little tie. He looks just like Mackin and he's observed I go back to the eyes. He's got his brother and I turn around. I was at Matt Williams and And Rick I said this kid is gonna be there one day I and the way he's playing the game that we's approached It's just carbon copy. It's unbelievable. I think he's got 150 points in 30 games, right? What does it stand for RJ? I don't know James Rick James get Rick James bitch Rick James Celebrity is unbelievable and you know, they have a daughter at Charlie. She's a great tennis player one of the best tennis player in Canada She's 70 they have four kids, you know, they're fantastic athletes Adon's oldest is drafted by Vancouver working hard on his craft and you know Hopefully becoming an integer player one day. We know about Mackin Charlie is an amazing tennis player and And RJ and and and Rick is the head sports scientist for the Gold State Warriors and Rick was a great soccer player And Robin was a great tennis player for my understanding great athletes who family again We go back you you guys asked a question before The leaves don't fall too far from the trees, you know Amazing is RJ looking for representation? He's already got him right you looking at him Or you're pitching bizz you may or you may have a chance to get to get at him before me I don't know if you but you know you don't do it. You don't need this frickin agency business Right hook day of fish hook and we're going to be billionaires. I'm so hooked to this now. I don't have a toy look at that I'm so exactly where Macklin's gonna be or not Macklin exactly where Gavin's gonna be playing here's you laugh I'm gonna rig that draft wow tank and We got rid of Bobby McMahon. He's got fucking ten goals and four games of Seattle We're just giving everybody away just to get Gavin. There's a chance the chance right there All right, Pat. We appreciate it. Thank you guys have a great one. Yes, it is. Thank you time boys. Thank you guys. Thank you Hey, Chickles fans. 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That's very funny Kooch is on a pace unlike anything we've seen since Mario Lemieux basically he has He's got 111 points with his five point outing on Tuesday night He became the seventh player in NHL history to post four straight 110 point seasons Brett ski bossy La Flore espisito McKinnon and Marcel Dionne that is you don't want to see that guy playing in the world cup. I know Geez he's a freak of nature And Cole Caulfield he scored his 24th go ahead goal of this season the only players with more in a single season or Bret Hall Pavel Buray and David Pochner along with Sackik LeClair and Neely, but he's at 24 Neely LeClair and Sackik all did it 25 times pasta did it 26 Buray did it 28 How did it 39 times in 90 91? He also recorded his first career 40 goals season the first Canadians player to reach that Marksons Vincent Damfouce and the first American player to score 40 goals in a season for the Canadians patchy ready scored 39 in 2013 14. That's pretty cool for the history of the Canadians To do that. So I I want to I want to shout out those guys. I had a bad bad stat that I heard Did you realize that the Colorado Avalanche is the 30th in the league in that power play that's going to be worry some going into it doesn't make any sense going into playoff So like you have to score on the power. I know I know Coddry was asked about it on the bench in one of his first games like the pregame intro in terms of you think you can help out and He's just like, yeah, I hope so, but it is weird like with those I got a bad feeling about Colorado all the sudden worse I do what I heard that's that I had it too. I'm like it's Dallas's year Dallas beat him in the shootout on Wednesday night. McCarrie actually scored a power play goals is 20 after night three straight years 20 goals or more from McCarrie. That was incredible. So maybe that gets him going but biz that's interesting. That's interesting I mean would you have that will you have that bad revealing in the first round if they get Seattle or San Jose Are you more talking the run to the to winning at all? Ah, I fear if they run into Bobby McMahon. Yes. Okay, fair way things have been going from my leaves I really fear that all of a sudden he wins the cons mith we gave him a way for a second before maybe you restart them though Um let's go to our race plan. It turns into a third Hello everybody and welcome to our raise world here in these spittin chicklets podcast good to see you boys as always Biz you sound like buddy Hinton from the Brady bunch. That's a wicked deep cut. You must watch the Brady bunch. He throw it right I did well. I know you didn't in Canada but so buddy Hinton was he used to make fun of Cindy Brady because of her list Baby talk baby talk. It's the one you go out and I was her brother suckers. I'm not suckers. He drills them And then buddy. He's like, Oh, you lose my tooth. I hear you sound exactly like fucking buddy. Okay. All right, the Brady bunch baby Little deep cut. Uh, once the broans last week like I mentioned to see Macop close sat right in the class man The kid he didn't and it wasn't his best game of the season but like I honestly, I know we said before he is said 2.0 I mean, I don't know if he's more skilled than but what he's doing at 19 years old right now in this league is unbelievable And I'll tell you I've been to you know, zillion games at the old god the new garden. Uh, all kinds of teams in town I have never in you know 30 years of the garden that new garden never saw that many San Jose shirts and that much cheering when When they scored like you think it's because he went to be you No, absolutely not it's because of how good he is. He's the it's the Mac fact like this You know, people like to jump on teams with superstars I mean, Jordan was awesome everyone was a bolst fam back then but I had never seen it like that Like I said this kid is unbelievable special Also, too, but they played much y'all the night. I don't like the fish. He got the picture there and other awesome Fucking photograph when he scored his first goal and watch you all the other night. He was like giving it to the crowd Oh, yeah, he taught them dude, you gotta look after the show like grab that picture and zoom in on every friggin face in that picture dude Oh, look at the mustache guy. He's unbelievable kind of looks like your dad is The beer vendor dude here is like the one guy with his girlfriend or wife, like he's like he's like mad. She's like Yeah, look at it. It's just like it's like I love to highlight some of the photos that these guys take. I'm gals take I couldn't find the name before the show, but also congrats to San Jose assistant equipment manager Tim Leroy worked as 25th hundred game that night 25 hundred games. There were three guys who did, oh, you said referee. No, no, this is a assistant equipment manager. Yeah. Okay. So there's been three equipment managers, the guy from Minnesota who we had the cost of Detroit. And wow, there's been three for 2500 in the last like 10 days crazy stuff, man. Also too, and it did end up coming to fruition, but there was an e-bug at that game as well. Um, the, the delk of it's played. I don't know what ask her off the, I don't think they could get there like minor league guy in town. So they got to e-bug. This kid Kyle Chavette, he finished his college career Wednesday night. I want to see what the UNH took a test that Thursday and then was the e-bug for the game Thursday night. Like let me play this last college game the night before. So no, he didn't get in the game, but yeah, we always loved those e-bugs stories, but pretty good stuff. Yeah. Um, and speaking of weird rules, actually, did you see there was a, this woman last week Nicole Sherman. She on earth like this weird rule. I don't think anybody knew about. She said, today I learned that if the officials don't show up to an NHL game for whatever reason, and nobody can agree on replacements, both teams just pick a player to play it from the home team acts as the referee while the visiting player gets to be a lion'sman. This is an actual NHL rule. And she shared it. If this is a layer through misadventure or sickness, the referees and lions persons appointed that are prevented from appearing. The league will make every attempt to find suitable replacement officials. Otherwise, the managers or coaches of the two clubs shall agree referees and lions persons. If they're unable to agree, they will appoint a player from each side. They need this needs to happen. This is like I, it did. Actually, it did. It happened back in 1983 between New Jersey and Hartford for the first period. Guys, I don't think they were in the line of that night. They were referee and lions, but then the referee showed up before the second period started. So just say some wild chit so it became sort of not like a real life meme. A lot of people were asking teams like the social admins were asking players like who, which guys would you want to ref or not ref? So I don't know if you've seen anything. It was pretty cool. You know, a little tweet gave us some nice content. But like when it was Dallas, every guy was like not ranting and not ranting. And we're like, who would you want to ref? Like they all dump it all over ranting. And so pretty good stuff. This other stat to what you probably start after 135 games, McDavid McDavid. McDavid's 60 goals 98 assists for 158 points. McDavid had 50 goals 107 assists 157 points. Like again, I know we're always there's the kids say glazed and whatever, but this is glazed worthy. It's just you know, when these young kids are getting mentioned with these like, you know, legends. It's good stuff. So I mean, actually one more point in the first 135 games. So down to the Macbans. Great to see my impression the other night. I know you mentioned cold last minute, a little while ago with trying to give them personal congratulations. This family is very nice to me. We're out in Vegas for the draft that year. You already mentioned the coach stuff. Here's another one though. 93 points in his last 45 games since November 19th. That's more than the top score had on 25 different teams for the entire 2025 24 or 25 season. It's the best 45 games since Mario back in 95 96 with what coaches don't just like unbelievable stuff. Overtide Gordy for the most 25 goal seasons. Sebastian. I hope just the eighth fin to hit 700 points. Sergei Burbrowski undrafted became the 18th glory to hit 800 regular season games. You mentioned Cole Caulfield first Canadian to score 40 since Vinny Danfus. And best of luck to my old pal at North Adams David Flint. He's the coach of the North East women's team. They're playing today Friday afternoon for a clock frozen for with the ladies and hopefully when they're in the frozen for. Yeah. Yep. They won last week. Yeah. Yep. They're playing out today. Well, today Friday at 4 o'clock. And then Wisconsin Penn State at 730. And the winners play this Sunday. And they just played last week. And this is something I think the men's frozen for it needs to do that whole week off between, you know, that's the final four for the basketball. Yeah, but moving to Sunday. Maybe just, you know what I mean? I just I think that's all too much of a layoff. I know the Super Bowl doesn't, but I don't know. All right. Did you win any money at the Oscars? Sean Penn was my only cash. I got him at minus 150 back when I hit that Jerry Jersey, Jerry Pally. He actually went up to 350. And I love he wasn't there. I guess he was over Ukraine. And what's his name? Cole Caulfield was like, uh, Sean Penn couldn't be here tonight. Uh, he just didn't want to come. So I'll accept that on his behalf because he's like kind of an an abrasive fellow. So yeah, I only hit that. But uh, Amy Maddick, did you watch weapons? Any of you guys that I saw it was awesome. What would you think of it busy? Um, I thought it was great. I don't watch a ton of movies. Like I was actually surprised, but somebody said it was really, I think Jeff recommended it. And, and yeah, I thought it was great. I thought that she was good in it. I was very suspenseful. Um, it brought you in right away. Like, it was very quick at bringing you in and getting you invested. And yeah, I don't think the movie was too long. I thought she did a great job. It was a freaky character. I was surprised that she wanted given how little she was in the movie. Me too. They in the academy typically doesn't award horror. And I watched it. I thought it was so, so it didn't like tickle my fancy all that much. She was great. But it felt like one of those like career awards. Um, you know, like she's been around for 40 years. I mean, she was in field of dreams. Amy, Amy Maddick and she's like, you know, hell, he would legend. But I thought the, the ladies and um, sent us in one battle to, you know, a little bit better. Well, that girl from the Ozarks is a good actress. Oh, Julia Ganna. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's, she's good shit. But did you see the, the opening with Conan O'Brien? I don't know if you guys watched any of it at all. Some of it. So he, like, he, he came out like the, like the first thing he had that makeup on. I don't, did you see the, the makeup the lady had on with any of the previews from weapons? It's like we could pay a white, with like, yeah, it's weird. So Conan come out dressed like her and all of sudden, like, the Beastie boy sabotage comes on. All the kids are chasing down the street and he runs to like every nominated movie. It was, I mean, I just smoke with my brother. So maybe that's why it was so funny. But I thought he did a pretty good job as a host. You know, he's a funny bass, a little, little quirky. So, uh, yeah, Sean Penn, my only cash. Uh, we got to do this one today at hockey history. Copy 78th birthday. That number four, Bobby, uh, absolutely. Uh, and on his 21st birthday back in 1969, the blue line has scored his 21st goal of the season, setting the single season record for goals by a defenseman way back then. He'd be the guy called Flash Holland. That's a hockey thing. Backed down with the trait in 45. Uh, coffee is the currently that he had 48 goals in 86. Uh, but Bobby was also number two, five, six, nine, 10 and 19 on the all time goals. Got to give Bobby's props. Uh, also, I got to feel the happy birthday. Charlie Simmer, Dennis, why I've been Nick Letty, Dick Paul, Justin Fock, Trevor Zegress. And more props, Mario, live you on this day in 1993, Mario scored four goals for the second game at a row and a nine three win over Philly. Four goals, two in a row. He owned Philly. It's a good year. I don't know if he owned him like Crosby has, but, uh, that's four game, four goals, two games in a row. All right. I mean, good thing to see who has more points. First Philly. Cause Sid is, I think Sid's all time leader. Yeah, I think he is. I think it's two points of game on that. He's all time leader against your owners. Hey, speaking of Philly, did you see Meech cough running away from that fight? Like, from the other Russian, if the Philadelphia flyers back him on this, their fans have really changed because that's like, oh, yeah, no, all the, all the ones are like, oh, look how funny. They, they baited him into an appendly. It's like, ah, they both went to the box. And then they'd always set up, he set up the game winner and over time, like, okay, guys, okay, Bobby Clarks probably spit in his tellers and watching that. That's not, that's not a broad street bullies hockey right there. A couple more quick ones. And I'll get to, my Russia take that you were asking for, uh, uh, on the same day that Mario did that. I got to give this one out of motes set the Bruins season record for most assists by a center with this 70 80 finished out with 97 only bought Bure as more assistant a season for a broom with 102 back in 71 and 55 years ago. Brothers faced each other as opposing goals. And this for the first time in NHL history when Ken Dryden and the Canadians beat Dave Dryden and the Sabes five to two now, neither brother started the game. Biz, uh, Ken was called it to duty after Rogatine Rogi Vashon was hurt the second period. So then the Buffalo coach punch him like immediately pulled the starter and put David to make this good move by David Rogi. Good move by punch. It goes back to our brother's theme too. Yeah, absolutely. Now, yes, Russia should 100% be in the world. A couple hockey because it's an NHL event. It's an NHL PPA event. How does the union tell, uh, you know, what, 20 guys you guys can't do this. Everybody else is in this. Now I know there's all the geopolitical stuff going on, but, you know, like you said, Biz, don't put him a Russian shirt. Make a, well, calm all the independent states were, but I just don't know how the, the union will justify excluding these guys. And again, I know they'll report what Sweden, Finland and, um, I, I don't know, uh, check that wouldn't play. Now it was an, I don't know if it was a source report. I don't know if it was, uh, uh, a lot of validity to it. And again, it's up to the players. It's not, it's not the nations. It's not the, it's not the presidents of the fucking premieres or whatever the fucking country is talking about. It's these guys. It's a union NHL issue. So if, if the Swedes, like, and I can't imagine, I mean, you guys all played, I mean, a couple of coffee street hockey, but no, but like these guys have to want to play each other, right? I do, I mean, do you honestly think what? All right, I think that's a hell of a point. Dude, great point. I'm on your side. Like, I can't imagine, like, there's fit and it, dude, the fans of the Ruskies, they get pretty rough history together, but they've played all these trends before. I can't imagine there is a fit in the NHL who doesn't want to fucking go take a Russian's head off in the world couple. Let's end it on some uplifting news out of a tragedy. We brought up Colin Dorgon last week who played for Blackstone Valley High School in Rhode Island, the vision to state championship. He scored an overtime to have his team move on to the finals. This kid who lost family members in that horrible shooting at senior day a month ago. He scored with less than a minute left in regulation to tie it and Blackstone Valley won it in the fourth overtime to take down the D2 state title in Rhode Island. So just such a senseless tragedy and they end up on top and he played an enormous role and it's so happy for that kid and that team and it's pretty crazy about Colin too. Like he only scored two goals all season and then once the playoffs started he scored four goals. Like that that's I mean there was something bigger there. There's something bigger there helping him out and he said that he his press conference after the game like to have that maturity at 18 years old was so incredibly impressive and how he how he touched his the initials on the shoulder that was just it it'll bring anyone to your see you should do like a 30 for 30 type thing on him. We should be absolutely sure it's a great idea and I get a live reaction on that thing I just texted you guys this the neighbor leaves playing Simon says or something like we're talking about what would Wendell do and that you got your team playing Simon says on the ice right now like what are we doing I don't even know what's going you sent out on the AI when Simon says on the ice and NHL arena like come on. Yeah. Yeah. I say I'm naughty. But jump back on a call on dog and I just want to like the poison that kid after the game like them with the maturity after what he's been through him. He let's his mother's brother's grandfather and go through that emotional stuff. I just I don't know the kid is mature of you on his years. So I just want to give him a little shout out not the way he goes afterwards and I don't know if you guys maybe mentioned Brian before but Chris Gellius's mom had passed away. I just you know a friend of the program he's a buddy of eyes it's when I give I condolences to Chellia in his family as well. So Chellia we love you but oh no that's terrible. Yeah and I was about to go back to having a little hell a little end up with some fun classic recommendation. I know you guys probably didn't watch master and commandeer had hopefully some of the the listeners did but this week one of the top three comedies of all time airplane the movie absolutely hilarious if you've never seen it come out in 1980. It's it's basically sort of the 70s disaster movies that it kind of spoofed all those but what's interesting about it with it was actually they bought the rights to a movie it's called zero hour it come out in 1957 and it's the same plot as the airplane but it's a serious movie so they bought that right to that and used all the lines because if you watch the trailer for the zero hour the guy goes I took the wrong week to stop drinking and like but it's like a serious line so you know when back in the airplane the guy's like I took the wrong week to stop stiff and glue like every like half hour during the movie so anyways you guys never seen it have you seen it playing with you're looking at me I have seen it I have seen it I legit top three funny movie of all time and finally one pick for this weekend Toronto Ottawa always a goalfest I don't know what the line is now if you could find six and a half Saturday night pound it over six and a half Toronto Ottawa first two games 12 goals then seven goals so get at it hope everything's good love you guys all right all right appreciate you stopping right here and Biz thank you for your surprises you're beautiful Jersey the landing McDonald Dave Bayback I mean Babbage and everyone thank you so much for listening have an awesome weekend we'll be back to you on Tuesday hey chicken fans we're gonna take a quick break for a message from one of our partners on game day get substacked high at Jersey Mike's like the number 13 original Italian loaded with meats cheese and toppings or the number 56 big Kahuna cheese steak with grilled steak peppers onions and mushrooms topped with jalapenos and melty cheese get your sub fix on game day in order in store or the Jersey Mike's app all right now back to the show