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Well, greetings and salutations, everybody. Welcome to the best damn move related show on the planet earth, the John Campy show. Come right here in my quaint little studio. I'm, of course, your host, John Campy. And this is the show when we talk about the things that we love movies and movie news TV and streaming and all that good stuff and joining me today and discussing all that stuff. Join us on Monday's as usual, the one and the only all the way out on the east coast. We are so thrilled to have Christian Harlow here. Christian, how you doing today, sir? I'm good. Happy to be with you guys. Good to have you here. And of course, joining us from Burbank, our technical producer, Jonathan Voiko is here. Live from beautiful downtown Burbank. Hello, everybody. I miss Burbank. And of course, most importantly, you guys are here. Thank you so much for being here and making our little show a part of your day. And here's how the show is going to go. We're going to start off by talking about a number of predetermined topics. We got lined up for you guys. And then in the second part of the show, well, that's when we take your live comments and questions. You have a thought theory, opinion, question or an issue that you'd like me to address. Go ahead and fire it on into our super chat feature, two caveats. First, you got to be watching live in order to send in a live question. Obviously, but secondly, I'll only answer it as long as I deem it appropriate to be addressed on the show. Otherwise, I'll just thank you for your tip anyway. All right. With that down, guys, we got a number of things to talk about here today. So let's get things started with this. You know, Daphne Keane burst onto the scene in Logan and just blew everybody away. Like as fabulous as Patrick Stewart was. By the way, I still believe Patrick Stewart should have gotten the best supporting act or nomination for that role. Be that as it is. And as great as Hugh Jackman was in the movie and how wonderful the movie was overall. A lot of people came out of the theater buzzing about Daphne Keane. Now, of course, a lot of people got excited when she came back for Deadpool and Wolverine. It was great to see her. But now there's a report going around suggesting that Daphne Keane may be in talks with Marvel to come back and reprise her role as X 23. Now, as we have to do sometimes, as we do this story, I must warn you all that this topic, this story and this conversation must firmly be planted in the rumor mill files. This is not at all confirmed by any studio, any rep, any actor anywhere. This is simply the rumor that started floating around on Twitter. But it is an interesting enough one that I thought we would take a little bit of time here today. Can I ask you, John, real quick? How did you get a million west of us in that picture? Paid of a lot of money. Paid a million. He's not doing a lot these days. So I invite him. That's in between Young Guns 3. So here's the story as it is right now. Okay. So the report goes like this. This is coming to us from the folks over at Geek Tyrant, who wrote the following. Marvel Studios may already have one of its coolest mutants lined up for the MCU's new X-Men. And it's someone fans have been hoping to see stick around. Daphne Keane is at least reportedly rumored anyway in talks. Reprise her roles as Laura, also known as X 23 and Marvel's upcoming X-Men reboot. If the report pans out, Keane could make the jump from old Fox universe into Marvel Studios new generation of mutants after her awesome return in Deadpool and Wolverine. All right. I got a couple thoughts about this. Obviously, whenever something comes up in the rumor mill, we ask two foundational questions. Question number one, do we find it believable? And question number two is, assume for the sake of the discussion that it is true, how would we feel about it? Well, the truth of the matter is Daphne Keane, ever since bursting onto the scene with Logan, she's kind of just quietly gone about turning in really great performances. As a matter of fact, I would even present to you that a dog shit show, like the acolyte, I thought she was really good at it. I enjoyed watching her in it. And she's been in a number of other things. And every time she's been on screen, I thought she's delivered. And like everybody else, I was really excited to see her popping up in Deadpool and Wolverine back with Hugh Jackman again. I thought that was great. The her relationship with Logan in the movie Logan is seriously one of the best little dynamics and emotionally resonant relationships I've ever seen on screen in the last bunch of years. I just thought it was great. I really loved it. And I love her. So the idea that Marvel could be looking at somebody like her to bring her back into, you know, the new MCU, even though she's arguably already done that with Deadpool and Wolverine, I don't think it's the most unbelievable thing in the world. So I would say there's like a 30% chance in the question of, do I find this believable? I think there's enough there to say it's a valid possibility. So I'll go 30% on it, not much higher, but not any lower. All right. Well, what about the second question of, let's say it is true. How would I feel about it? It's interesting. And here's the problem that it poses. It poses a Wolverine problem because if you do bring her back in at X 23, is she then a de facto replacement for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine or whoever would be playing Wolverine at the time? And I don't think that would be a wise idea at all. I don't think you retire the Wolverine character with Hugh Jackman. Wolverine is just, look, there's no debating it. Wolverine is by far the most popular mutant character in Marvel. He's the most popular X-man. There's a reason that they've done so many things with Wolverine. Could they use a little bit of a break from Wolverine? Oh, there's an argument to be made for that for sure, but you cannot simply discard Wolverine like Wolverine is just too popular for character. So if you're bringing in X 23 to bleed to be a de facto replacement for Wolverine, I don't think that's a good idea. On the other hand, though, there is also an argument to be made that will listen Logan is old enough that even with a brand new Logan in Marvel, assuming it's not going to be Hugh Jackman, even with a brand new Logan, that Logan is still going to be pretty old. And not that the actor will be old, but this Logan will could argue been around for a couple of centuries, depending on how you want to play it. And so the fact that he could have spawned a child or whether she is like in Logan, just a genetic reproduction of him or a child or whichever way they wanted to go, you totally have some foundation there to say we can have both Wolverine and we can have X 23 in this new universe. So if they decided to go with that route, I'd be okay with it. I just don't guys want to see them replacing Wolverine when they haven't even got this new X men. It would just seem to me to be silly to start a new X men universe and not have the most popular X man in there. But if they could fare a way to do both of them at the same time, I think I'd be down with it. So anyway, Christian, let me pose those those two questions to you as well. Number one, how believable or realistic do you find this rumor that's going around? And number two, just for the sake of the discussion let's assume it's true. How would you feel about it? Well, I agree with you 100% on accolades. Not only was she great in that, as you say, dog should show, she was she was she was also probably they could have made that show work had they actually made that show about her. If that yeah, if that entire show, the acolyte that would she would have been the acolyte because she's so strong of an actress, I think it could have worked. That's another conversation. As far as the rumor, how believable, I think it's would these types of rumors when they start to pop up right before d23, I always give a little bit more credit to because that's when people like to start talking and talking to people that, you know, could potentially get their word out and they want to get their scoop out or whatever it might be. So this is good possibility and she also lines up to the age range of the people that are being cast or rumored right now. So I think it I'll give a little higher than I'll go 35, a little higher than yours. Just a little price is right. But I think that the other side was what I like to see it. I would because again, what I just said about her, she's really strong actress. She's going to bring a lot to it. And if they could make it work depending on it, it really also depends and this is going to talk about every bit of this next answer that I give because it's all going to depend as it always does on the writing and how it makes sense from doomsday into secret wars into this. Right. Are we going to finally get rid of all the multiverse is battle world going to create one particular universe that we're just there for because if that does happen and she from secret wars carries on into this, that works. I think what's going to happen because I I actually would prefer not Wolverine's my favorite accent. I would prefer to not have Wolverine in any of the X-Men movies until X-Men maybe two or three because I'd like to see them build out the strength of the other X-Men first because you don't have to rely on what you Jackman has done. However, I actually think because they're going to the all the other X-Men are easier to recast because you didn't have as much of a connection to it. Replacing Hugh Jackman is going to be the toughest thing. I think Hugh Jackman is actually going to be in the X-Men movie. I think Hugh Jackman as this will green eventually transferring and going away from it. And having him with her would probably be the way that they're going to do it. So I think Hugh Jackman will still be around for the extra movie as old Wolverine. And I hope it's not true, but I just feel like they're going to keep milking that tea for a long time. But okay, but doesn't that wouldn't that present a problem in the sense that look, you can only play let's let's be realistically till you're 90 is great to say, but aren't you then creating basically a future where you can't have your most popular character? Like great, you make him the Wolverine of this new universe. But then you've backed yourself into a corner, haven't you? Then what they do, they do about Wolverine moving forward. What I'm saying is that the Wolverine of I don't think he's of that universe. I don't think he's supposed to be there. Okay. I think he's I think he's going to be there. And maybe the Wolverine of that universe is a striker and getting. So do both and so have a Hugh Jackman and replace him. Yeah, and that Wolverine that Wolverine's under the knife and he's not and he's nowhere to be found at that point. And then you when you introduce him in the second or the third movie, you know, he comes in and then you're like, okay, that and then you can enjoy. We had a Wolverine whatever they want to do it. But but I mean, and again, I'll make it clearer. I don't I would I would want that. I would much rather than just have no Wolverine in this. He pops up in a post credit scene or something or shows up in the second movie. That to me would be a better way to do it. But I just feel like Marvel's going to try to market the new X movie and show we still got him coming back for one more run. All right, guys, the question is for you. What do you think about this? There's a rumor going around that they might be looking at talking to Daphne Keane to have her come in for the new X movie as her Logan character X 23. Two questions same for you. Do you believe this? And even if you did believe it, would you like the idea? Whatever you guys think about this, jump down to the comments section below and let us know your thoughts. All right, guys, with that down, let's move on to this, shall we? Well, it's the beginning of a brand new week, which you all know means more records being broken by the Odyssey. The Odyssey, which is a film that, hey, listen, I got to admit, right up front here, that initially, if you go back, you know, six months or whatever go, I thought this, it's a Christopher Nolan film. It'd be huge. It'll be big. I had my doubts that it could hit a billion dollars. I thought it was within the realm of possibility, but I had my doubts that could hit a billion dollars. I mean, it's going to be R rated. It's, you know, all this kind of stuff. Then again, Oppenheimer got close, had my doubts. Well, it got to a billion dollars, no problem, and it got to a billion dollars fairly easily. But now it's crossed several more major box office thresholds as the folks over at Deadline are now reporting that the Odyssey has become Christopher Nolan's biggest hit of his career. Yes, it has passed his Dark Knight movies and now sitting at $1.1 billion. Christopher Nolan's Christopher Nolan's biggest film of his career. And by the way, it's still rolling. It's still rolling. It's still, it made a bunch more money this weekend. It's going to continue to make money, which is absolutely crazy. But there's a couple of other significant little things to note in all of this, one of which is that not only is it now Christopher Nolan's biggest film. It is now the biggest film in iMac's history. And that really probably doesn't surprise a lot of people because the Odyssey, I still get messages from people saying I still had to book my ticket six weeks out to go see the Odyssey. If I wanted to go see it at the 70 millimeter iMac. So like, it shouldn't come as any surprise. It's made a little under $300 million just on iMac screens. And again, for iMacs, that is an all time record for them. So it's now the biggest Christopher Nolan movie. It's now the biggest iMacs movie. But also it's achieved some pretty neat things here in this year with the results of this weekend's box office. The Odyssey has now leapfrogged over films like Super Mario Galaxy movie. These are all billion dollar films. It is now past Super Mario Galaxy movie. It has passed Michael. It has passed Toy Story as the Odyssey now sits only behind Spider-Man brand new day as the biggest film of 2026 sitting right now at 1.1 billion. It is also by the way past Joker to become the second biggest grossing R rated film in history. It now only trails behind Deadpool and Wolverine at $1.3 billion. A mark. I said the Odyssey could never catch. Well, I might have to be walking that one back too in about two weeks because it actually looks now like it does have a shot at passing Deadpool Wolverine to become the highest grossing R rated film of all time. And again, it is notable to see that not only has it passed movies like Toy Story, Michael and Super Mario Galaxy to be the the highest grossing just behind Spider-Man brand new day which we're going to talk about that movie a little later in the show. But it's the speed at which it's done it. Like it has crossed the billion dollar mark faster than any of those films even got to 800 million. So it's still on this ridiculously high pace. Again, want to remind everybody. Just for historical context, this only became the third R rated film in history to join the billion dollar club in the long history of big R rated films. Only three have ever done it. Deadpool Wolverine Joker and now Odyssey and now Odyssey's past Joker and closing it on Deadpool Wolverine. So this to me guys is absolutely insane that it is still rolling like this. It is still making more money. I have now heard from certain websites guys that the Odyssey needs to make $3.7 billion to breaking it. That's the word going around. Now it's $3.7 billion. It needs to break even but be there is it may. Christian Nolan's biggest film ever. I'm Axe's biggest film ever has passed all the other films of 2026 and not only sits behind Spider-Man brand new day. And again, and now taking the second spot of to be the biggest R rated film of all time. Which one of those four stands out to you as kind of being the most notable most impressive and what are you thinking about the run this things on right now? It's what you said before. It's the speed in which it's doing it. And it's also the fact that I when this movie was announced and when they started to have the trailers and everything and the hype started getting around it. A lot of us and this is going to be another because I said, look, Oppenheimer, a movie about the guy who made the atomic bomb made almost a billion dollars on his last one now. He made that most most directors might get a claim might be able to put together all that stuff that you know puts together for Academy Awards and everything too. But very few directors are able to put together that type of story and get almost a billion dollars. I don't care about barbenheimer and all that stuff too sure that helped but it also was a fact that no one's name and what he brings to filmmaking got people excited. So when this movie, which is way more accessible to all audiences was announced. And the fact that if you when you make a good sword and sandals type movie based obviously off of one everything that this that everyone read in high school, you have an opportunity. I thought it would make a billion. I always thought it would make a billion. I just didn't know that it would a make it this quick and b, I always thought, you asked me what do you think would have been more money? Toy Story or the Odyssey. I said, well Toy Story is definitely going to do it because Toy Story is going to is an hour and a half. It's going to it's the next one in the franchise. Parents can take their kids to see it and you know, and because kids can't see the Odyssey. So yeah, probably like 1.5, 1.6. I thought Toy Story even had a shot to be Spider-Man. How stupid I was as far as that goes. But but this movie honestly be Toy Story. And it's going to continue. I think it will be Deadpool Wolverine because I went to the movies over the weekend and I was walking into and it's all these two old ladies walking into the theater and I took my kid to see Paw Patrol and I said to the ladies jokingly, I was like, you guys hear see Paw Patrol, right? It's like, no, we had to see the Odyssey. I was like, oh, and they were like probably in their 70s going to see the Odyssey. And I'm like, it's just talking everybody's going to see it. And so I think the fact that it did that and that it is going to be probably, I don't, it won't be the number two movie of the year. But it will it'll probably it'll probably be number three for for the entire year, which is worse. I mean worse. Well, what could be what it could be? Doomsday. Doomsday. I think Dooms Spider-Man. I think people keep saying, look, there's no one that would be happier if Dooms hit in the kind of numbers that people have been predicting. I just think that that movie is too, I don't know. I don't know if intricate. It's the word. But it's I just think it's too detailed. I think the movie is going to make like 800 million. And it's a big number. I and I actually, if I had to put five bucks down, that's where I think it lands. Yeah. Is there the reason I'll say I think it's got a shot. Like I won't fall out of my chair if it also crosses that billion dollar mark is number one, the momentum of the last film. Number two, this the radical jump in box office from one to two. If it can repeat that from two to three, which I'm I'm not saying that it will or that that's a given, but if it could, if all of it didn't have doomsday to compete against right now. Now what some people might say to that and what we have to actually wait and see is does the opposite in fact happen where it enjoys a barbenheimer effect where the rising tide raises all ships uh. i'm not saying it will yeah i'm not saying that it will at all i'm just saying i acknowledge that possibility is there so i think i think you're right i think three the three spot is probably exactly where it ends up i'm just saying i'm not going to throw anybody out of the room if they think that dune has a possibility of maybe overtaking it as well but again i think i'd worse to comes in at the number four at this your force three or four spot is fine but i think that the atmosphere of this year and movie going and whatever is in the water uh. what we saw was spider-man in odyssey with this record breaking crowds coming to theaters we're going to see again at the end of the year i i'm a firm believer and it's not all going to be a hundred percent because of dune's day it will be because of dune uh. there's just so much enthusiasm for going to theaters right now so i did you guys see that um i think it was bloomberg had this cover article called the year we went back to the movies yeah which is really it was really quite interesting talking about also the generational shift like pre-2019 it was a certain age bracket that was the majority people going to movies now it's a different age bracket that's majority going back it's pretty interesting and well but i i think there's a lot of fascinating things to see what happens when dune stay happens i agree but i think that all those movies whether it's obsession or um back rooms or the spider-man or this movie all four of those movies treated the audience with respect all four of them treated uh. the audience with intellectual stories character building emotional storylines and they didn't just rely on you know uh. sloppy you know c_g_i_ and oh just shove popcorn in your face and watch the same shit that you've watched a million times over that a lot of these studios do again and again and again go how come nobody's seeing the movies because we've seen it a million times it's why like supergirl could have been something interesting with the actual graphic novel but instead it was just a broken story of you know it's edited together nonsense yeah that and i use that as just an example that the studios keep doing again and again and again will they take note or will they keep trying to just make copies of everything else who knows and that's why i think dune three has a shot at maybe hitting a billion dollars maybe my five bucks would be completely grim with you christian i think eight hundred is the realistic that's still the number it would be a big number yeah huge couple of our rated film anyway guys the question is for you what do you think about this the Odyssey continue striking passing several more major thresholds this week which one is most impressive to you how big do you think it can be do you think it will ever get to that ever moving break even number whatever you guys think jump down to the comments section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys with that down let's move on to this showy you know one of the movies that i had been paying no attention to going into cinema con this past april in Las Vegas was this little film with you and McGregor and Anne Hathaway called the end of oak street and then they gave a presentation for it and i'm like oh my god i can't wait to see this they've put out a few more trailers since obviously and the film is opening this week and i got to tell you i am legit i've crossed that precipice into legit excitement territory like i i cannot wait to watch this movie now it also looked like one of those movies that could very easily end up being a dumpster fire but the first reactions are now out for the end of oak street and they're really good and not only are they good they're not what i was expecting even if they were good i was expecting to hear about one kind of movie but it sounds like it's another kind of a movie let's go over to our friends at joe blow who mentioned some of the uh the first reactors here and take a look at what some of the things they had to say Brandon Davis of course many of you guys follow Brandon Davis he wrote the end of oak street is a vicious blast Anne Hathaway is so all in on dyno terror does it have a ton of logic maybe not but is it pure fun thrills apps of fucking lootly i think this is the best dinosaur movie in a few decades i don't know if that's a high bar but definitely the most fun it's insane bill bria wrote that the end of oak street is a thrilling amblin-ish adventure isn't surprising yet the layers of melancholy and pain that david rubberate Mitchell brings into it's in between its abundance of thrills and heart is its idiosyncrasies are as unforgettable as it's delightfully nasty dinosaurs eventual forever wrote the end of oak street is an absolute home run once the dyno stuff gets going it's pure fucking adrenaline pushes the PG-13 rating to the absolute limit tight as a knot while still living room for legit pathos and humor my favorite blockbuster of the year redhead films wrote the end of oak street is a minute to get going but once it does it's a ton of fun the women of the film act circles around the men and he's giving it a hundred and thirty percent mazy stella has some great scene work split uh. diopter shots out the wazoo i'm guessing that's a dinosaur we're gonna see uh. in this movie as well also uh. law uh. wrote end of oak street is bonkers it's not the movie i expected it to be it was better the family plays very well together and the spectacle and dinosaurs set pieces are so much fun and outright scary and hathaway can do anything starbucks that's a very good boy anyway i read a whole bunch of them online got a lot of reviews and they're all saying that now when i saw both the presentation and the trailers for the end of oak street yes got it there's going to be some dinosaurs got it but it seemed like it was going to be more of a two thousand eleven jj abrams kind of mystery sci-fi about it the real question how did we get here is this the island from lost that we're all on i really thought it was going to be more of that with some dinosaur stuff hopefully some good dinosaur action what we're reading here though guys seems to be oh no first and foremost this is a dinosaur action movie and that is completely off the page of what i was kind of expecting to hear i i so despite the fact that it's very different from what i thought we were going to hear from this it sounds like everybody had a really good time with it so christian i don't know if you've had a chance to see this one yet or not or what your anticipation level has been what are you expecting from this movie i'm going to see this movie in about three hours nice i have the screen of that tonight i'm going as soon as i'll be wrapping up with you and not too soon after that i'll be hopping on a train and go see this movie i'm really excited for this movie because this everyone talks about the years and day everyone talks about the year of Tom Holland this is a year and halfway this is like our fifth or sixth movie really is this year and she's got variety coming out it's she's got tons of movies coming in and they're all and they've all been you know even if you didn't love devil wears product too many lot of money she's though she's doing pretty good for itself and and she commits and he can't say anything about her she commits and everything that she's in she's she's one of the best working today and she was incredible in the honestly um so when and here and john goes back to our conversation that we just had about treating the audience's respect now i haven't seen this but looking at like brand and davis's uh tweet and other people what they're talking about is the kind of playing with the story and leading into also having a fun dinosaur movie this movie was made for about i think 80 million dollars this is what Jurassic Park should start doing again they should start doing things like this instead of this like i said the same really it's Jurassic Park so just do the same thing over and over again with no real story don't be characters and nothing really that you get excited about this one seems like you're going to be interested in what's happening um i was locked into because of the cast that they got in general to do it and because of that kind of you said that lost uh feel to it i like the mystery side of it which is going to feel like an amblin movie but now the fact that they actually really putting full effort into just going let's just go batch it crazy with some really good actors attached to this yeah these are the kind of movies that we need again these are the kind of movies as johnathan was saying this is the type of stuff that if it is good and the word can catch on the people go i heard that thing was pretty good it's got anathaway it's got you and regret it let's go check it out it's a dinosaur movie that's what i want to see and that's why i'm pumped to see it tonight let me ask both you guys this johnathan will start with you like i was a little bit a few days ago realizing that oh it opens this week wait a minute it opens this week yeah i am kind of oh is it just me or does it seem like they really haven't done a lot to market the film like i feel this is just kind of snuck up i don't know johnathan do you feel the same way i mean i i think they they've done what they can i i've seen the trailer pop up in recent movies and you know okay i can tell i can tell you this this last trailer the official final trailer i was already gonna go see this movie but this sold me that let that final trailer was great that that's what actually where i pulled those stills from um and then like you i was like i thought this was at the end of august i thought this was like a week or two out it's sort of i didn't believe it so i'm really excited because i still have the rush of so much spider man and Odyssey and I still want to go You'll see that Tony bio pick at some point, but I definitely want to see it this week. - Appreciate the fact. - Guys, we want to take a second to thank a sponsor of today's video, Ultra Pouches. 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After you purchase the laski where you heard about them, please support our show and tell them that our show sent you. - G'day, I'm Justin Wolfus, host of the Platypus Economics Podcast. If there's one thing I've learned from a career teaching economics, it's that your life is shaped by economic currents you'll never see. A single price tag can explain things a thousand experts can't. People who understand economics, they make better decisions in their careers, their finances, their relationships, in their communities, and I want that for you. Listen to and follow Platypus Economics, available now wherever you get your podcasts. - Yeah, the fact John, that's in an early August means that the studio still has confidence in it. Like late August usually means and just put it there. Good luck guys. The beginning of August means yeah, we have confidence in this thing in general, but I will say that I do think the marketing is from better than maybe you think that it has because I think where they're really marketing is they're heavily marketing YouTube. I'll tell you that right now because my eight-year-old, when I told she said she wanted to see Paw Patrol and she's like, "I want to see 'cause there's dinosaurs in it." I go, "I'm going to see a dinosaur movie." She was, "What are you going to see?" End of oak tree and I go, "How do you know about that, man?" - That's funny. - And she goes, "I see it in all my YouTube videos." And I said, "I don't even know what it's about." She was like, "I'll tell you." And she told me the whole premise of the movie. - Yeah, and your kids, your kids so funny, man. - She's hilarious, but she told me the whole premise of the movie and I was like, "Oh, I didn't even know that." So I'm going into it with all this knowledge from my eight-year-old that she got from watching her YouTube videos. - Yeah. - All right, guys, the question is for you. The first reactions are now out for the end of oak tree. You guys know I've been really interested in this film ever since they started previewing it and I love the responses we're hearing from it. Do you think it sounds like the movie you were expecting? Does it sound a little bit different like me? Or are you like me in the fact that you're kind of surprised it's opening this week? I don't know, whatever you guys think, jump down to the comments section below and let us know your thoughts. All right, guys, with that down, let's move on to this. Well, the twists and turns of the Paramount Warner Brothers potential merger continues to keep rolling and going. As many of you guys remember, Ellison made a promise, at least he made a declaration that the combined studio, he said that we would put out 30 movies a year, which seems like a lot. But now he's going one step further. As in this new story from Deadline, he's now saying, I'll put it in writing, I'll make it a contract that we will guarantee 30 films a year, this is what Deadline wrote. When it comes to Paramount's legal wrestling with 12 state attorney generals, anti-trust case, over the Melrose Lot's possible merger with Warner Brothers, the key is to divide and conquer with exhibition. Deadline knows that Paramount has a written commitment to at least one of the top two circuits, specifically regal. For 30 films annually, over three years, with an exclusive 45 day theatrical window and a 90 day window to streaming. There's buzz that AMC has also had a written commitment from Paramount, but the circuit's boss, Adam Aaron, emphasized to Deadline on Sunday afternoon, AMC has no comment on this story period. Nor have we ever had any commitment on this, or comment on this story. All right. It has a couple of things to note here that I think are at least relevant to the discussion. The first thing is, as it pertains to the lawsuit, it doesn't matter what movie theaters do or do not like. This is now an issue for law and the courts at that point. Now, the second thing that needs to be brought up is that this all sounds very good. And I don't say that facetiously. I mean, making a firm commitment and putting it in writing that you will commit to putting out in theaters 30 films a year, and you're gonna put in writing, unlike with some of the other, like there are some other studios saying they're making commitments now to 45 day theatrical windows, but they're not putting it in writing. To say I'll put it in writing, that's gonna be a 45 day theatrical exclusive window and at least 90 days until it starts streaming. That is also very good. I like hearing that. I really do. There are however, a couple of devil in the details, little things. First of all, it does say for three years. Three years is the length of a cell phone contract. So some of them at any rate. Three years comes and goes real quick. What happens after those three years? Why not a 10 year commitment or a 15 year commitment? Those would be hard. Those would be very hard to do, but those would be real commitments. The second thing though is, they don't say what kind of movies they'd be putting out. It's great to say you're gonna put out 30 million, or 30, I should say, 30 films a year. That is great. It's absolutely wonderful. However, are these gonna be $30 million dollar films or is it gonna be $350 million dollar films and $27 million dollar films that aren't gonna make anything at the box office or bring anybody in, but hey, we met our commitment. We did say 30 films. Are they gonna put 10, 15, just bring it back in. Paw Patrol, 47, I don't know. - Yeah. - So like when you say you're gonna bring in all this stuff, what are you saying you're doing? Like is that gonna be in writing too that we make that on, we're gonna do 30 films a year that on average will run a production budget of about $75 million. I mean, I would be okay with that, but they're not putting that in writing. So what kind of films are you putting out in theaters? Because at some point it becomes cheaper just to crank out cheap crap and say you met your commitments. But there's also this other little elephant in the room guys that I have to bring up. If this, if the best case scenarios happen across the board and everything goes the way that Paramount wants this to go, when it's all said and done under their best case scenario, this is a company that will be 111 billion dollars in debt. Running up five plus billion dollars a year in interest on that multiple millions of dollars a day in interest. Is this a studio, despite best intentions, that is going to be even in a place where it can produce 30 legit full theatrical films a year. There might be some creative accounting dancing around to do that, so maybe yes. So look, in general, I like what David Ellison is proposing. I like a written commitment. I like committing to 45 days theatrical into it. I like a lot of that stuff, but it still leaves several huge questions on the table. Like, okay, why is it only three years? What budget of movies are you talking about putting out in theaters? How much of a commitment are you making? 'Cause it doesn't help the movie theaters at all if you put out 30 films, but you don't spend any money on marketing those films. What kind of a marketing commitment are you making for those 30 films? And lay out for us exactly how you're going to pay for 30 films a year when your company is going to be over 100 billion dollars in debt. I just think these are big, again, I like what David Ellison saying, but I would like to see these questions answered as well. Now, in response to this thing that David Ellison put out, as well as some comments David Ellison made recently about saying, oh, this is really just about CNN. The attorney general at the lead of this lawsuit, Bonta from California, he wrote an op-ed piece today in deadline that addresses all the things that David Ellison's talking about. And this is what he wrote. Bonta wrote the following. He said, despite the spin you may have heard in recent weeks, the lawsuit my colleagues and I filed challenging the Paramount Skydance and Warner Brothers merger isn't about trusting the intentions of one company or one man. It isn't about trusting that CBS News and CNN will remain independent and credible under one umbrella. It isn't about the future of streaming. The lawsuit is about antitrust law. It is a straight up antitrust enforcement case, one that is very cut and dry. One that seeks to prevent the long-term structural impact of the loss of competition and impact that cannot be remedied with a few one-off piecemeal promises. So while others may try to flip the script and distract from the facts, I will lay out this case. And basically he just goes on to talk about the fact that, you know, things that we have talked about on the show before that this is not just like, say, the Disney and Fox takeover because Fox still exists. Fox is his own company still. Disney just bought certain assets from them. Distreaming world was not what it was today. This is not just one of the biggest movie theater or movie production companies. It's also one of the biggest distributors and one of the biggest streaming networks merging in and taking over another one of the biggest studios, biggest distributors and biggest streaming outsets. And basically what it all comes down to is a simple thing. Does this merger violate section seven of the Clayton act? And when the attorney generals brought this to a judge and asked for a initial restraining order to be put in place to bar Paramount and Warner Brothers from closing their deal, the judge looked at it and ruled this. Yes, it does seem that this is a violation of section seven of the Clayton act. And the judge ruled since it appears that you are likely to prevail in this case proving that this violates section seven of the Clayton law, we are going to grant the temporary injunction. Now when the judge granted that injunction, it sent really Paramount spiraling. They knew they were going to lose the next hearing. So they agreed to put it off for a year. Now with the trial date set guys for March, I don't see any conceivable way. They're going to be able to finish everything off and proceed before the June 4th deadline when Zazzlav can come in to clear the deal off and collect a seven billion dollar check from Paramount. So it's interesting. I still think there is an avenue here guys that David Elson can propose something radical, something very big that the attorney generals can then go, okay, if you do those things and they would have to be big, they would have to be very, it's not just CNN, it's got to probably be several other major pieces on the board and say, we'll exclude this and this and this and this from the deal. I think a deal can still be reached and they can go ahead and merge their companies, whatever that merger would look like at that point. So, you know, Christian, I like a lot of stuff. I'm hearing David Elson say the 30, the 30 films commitment, the 45 day theatrical commitment. It raises questions about how are you even possibly going to do that? And at the end of the day is, you know, the California attorney general is now jumping up and saying, this lawsuit isn't about any of that. This lawsuit is about section seven of the Clayton Act and one judge is already ruled. This is in violation of that. So, I don't know. What do you think about these commitments that David Elson is now making to the theaters? What do you like about them? What makes you nervous about them? And how do you see this whole thing ending up now? Well, the commitments, I said this before, what it sounds like is that someone, there's Jonathan was mentioned before, people want to go back in the theater, people want to see movies in the theater. And it sounds like a guy who is running for high school president and goes, guys, if you know, if I win, you get pizza every day and you have to bang the head cheerleader and the quarterback in the toilet whenever you want. And it's like, really? I don't know, I don't know if I buy it, but it sounds fun, but 30 days, 30 days, 30 days, 30 movies is a lot. And so I don't necessarily know if they can swing that because the other side of it is too. It's not just a matter of John, like you said, with the marketing and all that. It's a matter of is, people got to want to see them. Yeah. You know, it's like, we're going to make all of them. Well, great. You're not going to make 30, you know, you're not going to make 30 Spider-Man's. You got to like, you've made, or maybe, I mean, that's kind of the goal. And like you said, what else are you going to make? And are you going to be able to put these things if it is? Is it also a caveat of, well, we would probably make this for streaming and it'd be four Paramount Plus. But we'll give it a limited theater release. Technically, technically, we're putting it out in the theaters. Yeah, 10 theaters. Right. It's technical. We did put it out in theaters. So there's always those little caveats here and there. But what they, what I do like about is that even without the Warner Brothers acquisition already, they're, they're, they're making moves and trying to do stuff with their IPs that they have. The GI Joe thing, the Transformers thing, the other thing is the Star Trek. They're trying to make things happen of the existing IPs that they already own. If they start to get into the Warner Brothers side of things and they can make the DC movies, this is another reason why the entire, if, if this commitment is actually real, there's no world where the slate, the James Gunn and Safran put together of side quest movies, they're going to go, we promised people 30 movies, get Batman and Wonder Woman in the theater already. That's what's going to happen immediately. In the same way that they have, maybe you'll see a cursed child Harry Potter movie, maybe you'll see the game of Thrones movie will, we'll push forward even more so. So they'll be, because of the acquisition, 30 movies becomes a little bit more doable. But the legal side of it all, this is why I watch your show for that side of things because like when I'm, when I'm looking, it just hurts my head when all the, the deals and the things that are going to happen and potentially could happen. I do agree with you though. I think that the money that this company has and the money that this family has, they're going to, say, listen, we pay, they're going to tell their lawyers, we pay you guys more than anybody pays lawyers, figure out a way to make this happen, figure out a way, what do we need to do? What do we have to get rid of? You know, you know, who, who, like, who do we have to bribe? What do we have to do? And they're going to do and a kidding course with the last part of it. But they're, they're going to say, what do we need to do? And they're going to make some kind of deal and they're going to do everything that they can because like you said, John, they don't want to be continuously losing billions of dollars in order to get this thing because then it's going to be like, why are we even doing this? Just a quick note to, to, I see some people in live chat saying, and I've heard a lot of this saying, well, you know, it's, it's a biased Supreme Court. So the, whatever it is, the Supreme Court is just going to make it work for the essence. Here's the problem. The problem is, and this is what I pointed out, the timeline of this legal process makes it as such in that legally, this cannot get to the Supreme Court prior to that June 4 deadline date. That is when, you know, the folks at Warner Brothers, David Zazlev has the contractual right to call off the deal. And it won't get to the Supreme Court by that point. And so that's why there's going to have to be a lot of dancing. I think there's going to have to be a lot of dancing. So, Sean, did I, did I ask you this before, because if we talk about any trouble before I apologize, but I just, I thought, do you, is there any world? Because I know you think you, you know, you give credit, a lot of credit, I call them Zoloft, but he, I know you give him credit. He's a very, he's a smart guy. There's no doubt about it. He's a very smart guy. Is there any world where he kind of, Emperor Palpatine this and saw this kind of coming and said, look, if we sell it, great, we sell it, we get this money, but the chances are, we're, they're going to have to owe us so much money for this deal never going through. Well, that will just operate on their money, like once we're able to, he has that, if John, if you want to tell him about the memo that he internal memo to the boy, so this happened a number of months ago, and this was, this was in variety and all that has up. David Zazlev sent out, there was kind of a town, a virtual town hall thing with, with Warner Brothers employees. And a question was asked, well, what happens if the deal doesn't go through to which it's a very short statement, but it's one that says a lot. And he said, well, if it doesn't go through, we carry on with business as usual, and we collect a $7 billion check. Right. And it was at that moment. It was at that moment. Yeah. And I went holy crap. David Zazlev is playing 3D chess here. Well, everybody else is playing checkers. This may have been a part of his plan all along. I'm not saying this. And Sarandos is looking out his window, like Penguin looking out over Gotham City. Yeah. So think about this. Think about this. Remember Netflix and Warner Brothers had a deal. Yeah. And the only way that deal could be broken is if number one, Paramount pays Netflix a 2.0 something billion dollar breakup fee. So Paramount had to pay Netflix to something billion dollars for nothing. And have it written into the merger deal with Warner Brothers that if we cannot complete, you guys get a $7 billion check. So I can just picture Zazlev and Ted Sarandos on the phone one night, like Sippon Bourbon and going, all right, let's do this. You get a $2 billion check. We get a $7 billion check. And then we do the merger anyway later. Just like a year or two. Again, I'm not saying that is what's happening. I'm just saying it would I would not doubt it if that's the case. The problem is is that if we've thought about it. - They thought about it, and we're about a hundred percent. - All right, guys, question is for you. What do you think about that? David Ellison is, in honesty, and to give credit what credits do, I think he is saying the right things right now. I'll put into writing a 30 day commitment. I'll put into writing or a 30 film commitment. I'll put into writing a 45 day theatrical window commitment. It's just that it still raises other questions that need to be addressed. And then the, you know, the states are saying, none of that matters. This is an issue of law. So I don't know. What do you see happening here, guys? Whatever you guys think, jump down into the comments section below. And let us know your thoughts. Well, look, it's Spider-Man's world. And at this point, we're all just, you know, temporary occupants in it, because not only did it come out and set the all time opening weekend box office record with $360 million, which is just absurd, became one of the fastest films ever to reach a billion dollars. It's already like doing crazy numbers, because it just had its second weekend, and it just had the third biggest second weekend in movie history. And whereas Spider-Man no way home, because of how much money it made on its opening weekend, it had a 70% drop off in its second weekend, understandable, because so many people already saw it. Spider-Man brand new day only took a 59% drop, a 59% drop despite the fact that it had a $360 million opening weekend. Again, making it the third biggest second weekend of all time, only behind Avengers Endgame, which had a bigger second weekend, and Star Wars The Force Awakens, which had a bigger second weekend. And that's it, so it just continues to pile in the money. And as such, two day ladies and gentlemen, Spider-Man brand new day will cross into the top 10 all time movies ever. It's happening today. These numbers are as of yesterday, but right now when you look at the biggest films of all time, as of yesterday, Spider-Man brand new day sits in the number 11 spot, with $1.665 billion. I don't think I'm going out on a massive limb here to guess that Spider-Man's gonna make more than $10 million today. I think that one's pretty safe. So I'm going to call it, as we go it on this ledge here, Spider-Man is going to cross and surpass Jurassic World today, to become the number 10 film, and then in the next day or two, it'll probably cross inside out. And then not too long after that, it'll pass Zootopia. Anyway, we also see at number seven, Spider-Man no way home at $1.9 billion. Avengers Infinity War at $2.05 billion. Star Wars Episode 7, The Force Awakens at $2.07 billion, Titanic at $2.2 billion, Avatar of the Way of Water, 2.3, Avengers Endgame at $2.7, basically 2.8. And of course, Avatar is still the highest-grossing film of all time at 2.9. When Spider-Man today, probably already by now, by the time we're recording this, when Spider-Man does make $10 million, and passes Jurassic World, it will have cost, it will have crossed the top 10 and crossed into the top 10 all-time box office films in just 13 days, 13 days, to become one of the top 10 all-time biggest. It is absolutely nutty. Now, for me, the big question that this film proposes now, as far as its success, is this. Can it catch Star Wars Episode 7, The Force Awakens as the biggest film at the domestic box office in history? I still think that's a question mark. I know there are some people think it's a foregone conclusion, and listen, there are good reasons to think that. There are totally some solid reasons to have that assumption. But it is right now pacing $100 million ahead of Star Wars The Force Awakens. But that pace has diminished. It was, after its first weekend, like $180 something million ahead of pace of Star Wars The Force Awakens. That pace gap has now been shrinking. As a matter of fact, you just saw the numbers we talked about. Star Wars The Force Awakens actually had a bigger second weekend than Spider-Man did. It's still on pace, but can it get to that to become the highest grossing domestic film of all time? Of course, Star Wars The Force Awakens sits at like $900 and something million dollars domestically alone. Now, the analysts at this moment are projecting that Spider-Man will probably get around to the $2.5 billion mark, which I mean, that is just a number I can barely wrap my head around. If it does indeed get to $2.5 billion, that'll make it the third biggest film of all time. Some people think it'll go past that. Some people think it won't quite get to that, but it's certainly pacing and we'll see where it gets. But again, to me, it's about can it catch that domestic number and pass Star Wars? Again, it's ahead of pace guys, but the pace is slowing and the pace is shrinking. So Christian, let me put this over to you. We've talked before about Spider-Man and just how ridiculous the success this film is having. It's obviously maintenance legs just taking under just under a 60% drop going into its second weekend. It's already joined the billion dollar club, as if today it's going to cross into the top 10. Anyway, what is the most significant number here? And now that we've had a couple of weekends of its track record for us to watch, how big can this movie end up being, do you think? - So given the significant number is the one you didn't mention and that's the worldwide drop was only like 49% or something. - Yeah, it's got great legs overseas. - Yeah, so the entire thing was a crazy drop because I think that number, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that number did beat Star Wars as far as the overall did. But the fact that you now have the domestic side of things, I think it'll get close to the Force Awakens. Analysts, as you said, analyst said that it's probably going to tap out of 2.5. Well, analyst said it was going to be 550 million opening weekend. So they were way off. I don't take too much stock in that anymore because I think that more people want to go and see this movie, more people are excited to see this movie, more people viewing, more people are now seeing it in IMAX. I think that the first, as I mentioned as a few times, I think the first $3 billion movie will be this year, but it's going to be endgame when we release that releases in theaters in September. That will be the first $3 billion movie. Now, the crazy thing, I'm with you John on this that I don't think that it could happen, but we are in an area and a crazy world where there are three movies that potentially could eventually all reach $3 billion starting in the same year. You could, I mean, there's a chance with Spider-Man, although I think it's going to tap out it around 2.7 if you're going to ask me, but it's a chance. Endgame will hit that $3 billion this year and then Doomsday could take all of this, depending on what endgame then does with those extra footage. You talked about the re-re-- You talked about endgame on core adding to the existing box office. Correct. Actually, here's the thing, though. I think because they're releasing it, now I'm going to need somebody to correct me on this, but I believe because they are adding extra footage and changing the name to a sentence, I don't know that it's going to count towards this box office. I'm not saying, well, don't quote me on that. I'm just saying, I think there's, I heard a question raised about that and I'm not actually sure what the answer is. It's like Barry Bons' steroids. Barry Bons' steroids. I don't know because I'm looking at no way home and they added new footage to that and it counts it as, you can break it down to the 22, 24 and 25 re-release, but when you go to all releases, that's that 1.9 is counting that. Well, and to that point, when they did the re-release of the four-hour extended cuts of the Lord of the Rings films, they also counted that. The big difference that somebody brought to me that I simply don't have the answer for. Again, I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm just saying I don't have the answer is that they are literally giving it kind of a different title. They're calling it end-game encore. And again, I just don't know the answer to that. But, if it does, if it does, yeah. If it does, you could be right here, Christian. This thing could theoretically cross. And the thing that's gonna do it is the fact that they're teasing this little post-credit scene that'll tie into Doomsday. And if it is effective and it does put the viewers back in the seat and get it to that point, that's going to help Doomsday significantly. - Yeah, and that's the thing we've been saying for a long time is that the biggest thing that Doomsday is either gonna help or hurt it is Spider-Man. If Spider-Man comes out and is a big disappointment, it's gonna hurt Marvel's momentum in general and it's gonna hurt Doomsday. But if Spider-Man is great, it's gonna be the best piece of marketing that they could possibly have for Doomsday. - This is from the Independent and it says that the box office revenue for Avengers End Game Encore will be tracked [BLANK_AUDIO] added to the overall lifetime box office. - There you go. Following standard industry and box office reporting, tracking practices for theatrical re-releases. That's the independent. - There you go. I have no reason to refute that. So there you have it. It will actually add to the domestic, or to the overall box office of that, which could theoretically, I mean, will $200 million worth of people want to go out to see a movie that they can watch on Disney Plus right now? - But that's, but you can't though. You can't, though. You can't see this one on Disney Plus. That's the whole truth is the version of it. - Not this version of it. And this is, this is the standard. I keep saying this, as we're spider, even though there are all these movies that came out after No Way Home. Spider-Man brand new day is a direct sequel to No Way Home. After you see this credit scene in Endgame, Doomsday is going to essentially serve as a direct sequel. - Sure, there are other things that happen now, fantastic forward, thunderbolts, all that stuff. And this is because I had someone who's like, "Well, it can't be a direct sequel "because all these other things "and they have all these different characters in it." Well, the Hulk and Punisher showed up in brand new day. It was still a direct sequel. It's a direct sequel. So as of today, the, one of the biggest box office movies, number two, as of today, probably number one real soon. And if it is number one, you're putting that sequel out there and pushing people towards it. I think it will hit that 200 million. I think worldwide, people will wanna see what the hell is gonna happen. - Yeah, that's why, go ahead, John. - I also believe that just like with the Odyssey, showing that exclusive footage of Dune, Messiah, Dune Part Three, I fully believe that they are going to be releasing exclusive Doomsday footage in front of Encore. - Yeah, probably. And listen, I remember like it has been a big topic that a lot of people write into question about. Is it possible? Like a lot of people believe that Spider-Man brand new day could actually end up being the bigger film of the year over Doomsday. And my response to that has always been, well, okay, take everything else out of it. The thing is, the better Spider-Man is, the bigger Doomsday will be because it's gonna get everybody hyped about Marvel again. And so I agree with Christian, I think, at the end of the day, the number one film of the year is still gonna be Doomsday. I still think that's not really a question. No matter how big Spider-Man is, is Spider-Man gets to that 2.7 million? I kind of agree with the 2.5, but Christian, I think you could be honest something with the 2.7, even if it gets 2.8, I still think Doomsday is gonna be bigger. And partially because Spider-Man was so good. So it's, oh yeah. - But John, you and I said this last time and we stick by it, right? Like it also, it is all about how good Doomsday is. That's it. Doomsday's gotta be a good movie. It can't just be subpar because no matter what, you can only carry it so much. If the first reactions or reviews come out and it's like, it's fine, then that's gonna hurt it dramatic. It's dead. - That makes secret wars even scarier though, if it gets. - Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it's opening weekend is gonna be insane regardless. But once the opening weekend happens, 'cause everybody's gonna go see them, everybody's gonna have their ticket spot long before the first reactions and the first reviews come out. But the thing is once the opening weekend happens, if the movie's on par with the running average of the other Avengers movies in quality, sky's the limit. - Totally. - If it's Captain America 4? Oh, it's gonna, you're talking about a 75% drop in weekend too. - I just think that Russo's have a better hold on the Marvel Universe, but-- - I agree. - But as far as, as far as secret wars go, Jonathan, the only, what I would combat you there is, what secret wars has that Doomsday doesn't is Spider-Man. - Yes, and they're gonna market the shit out of Spider-Man on, especially now, he's gonna be all over secret wars, that even if Doomsday doesn't perform, this will be essentially the sequel for not really as far as story goes, but it'll be the first time you see him since this $2.5, $2.7 billion movie comes out. - Right. Spider-Man brand new day just had a ridiculous second weekend. It's the third biggest second weekend in history. Today, it's gonna join the top 10 films of all time, which is crazy doing it in just 13 days. How big do you think it can actually end up being? We're getting a sense of its pacing right now. We've now got two weekends under our belts. How big now do you think this movie can be? Whatever you guys think, jump down in the comments section below and let us know your thoughts. All right, guys, with that down, it is now time for us to go on to, of course, the most important part of our show, which is obviously taking your live comments and questions. But before we do that, we're gonna take a second to bid good afternoon to Christian Harlow. Christian, where can people find you online and the stuff that you're doing? - Thanks, John. My channel is Christian Harlow. For me, we're trying to hit that 300,000 subscriber mark. So if you can head on over there and check us out, that'd be great. I got some Kickstarter coming up in September and I love being here. So I won't be here next week. I told John that, but I'll be back the following week. - Right, and we're so glad to have you here, man. And of course, Jonathan Voiko. Again, all the way from downtown Burbank. Thanks. We'll talk to you again tomorrow, Jonathan. - See you guys tomorrow. It was fun. Bye, guys. - All right, guys, with that all said and down now, let's get over to the real important stuff, your comments and questions, shall we? So now, just so you know, I did turn off the super chats about a half hour ago because you guys just packed out the super chats. So I have turned them off. But we're gonna get to all the ones that you guys have already sent in here. And we are starting off with, I believe, with Wayne. And Wayne writes, "Hey, John, "only way I think Paramount does 30 films a year "is if they count acquiring films from the festivals "for distribution and release under them." Well, yeah, but that's perfectly fine. That is normal movie business. Warner Brothers and their various sub studios often acquire movies. Paramount acquires movies. Disney will acquire movies. Then they become Disney movies. They become Warner Brothers movies. So yes, that will absolutely be a part of it. But that's not a loophole. That is just standard operating business. That's standard operating business. I still don't see how a company that's gonna be $111 billion in debt is gonna do a lot of that. But that is an option open to them, Wayne. And it's a totally valid one for Paramount to use because all the studios do that. All right, next up, we've got Zach Taylor who writes, Paramount offering the movie studios third to movie a year is kind of like a scene and the other guys were Will and Mark characters, get bribed for tickets. You know, it should be said here that it was also noted in that article. We didn't get down to the paragraph that this part was in, but it was also noted in the article that there would be penalties put into the contract if Paramount fails to meet those commitments. But the question becomes, well, what is it? A million dollars if you miss it? Is it $200 million if you miss the mark? Is it $500 million? Is it $20 million per film that you're short? Like, is it, we commit to 30 and we'll pay a $10 million fine if we're short and then they only put out two. So there's short 28 films. Do they just sign a $10 million or do they sign a $10 million check for every movie that they're short? Or is it a $10 million check to every single movie theater chain that they were, I mean, it's great that they're saying there would be penalties put in, but what kind of penalties, how strict the penalties, how across the board would it be? Again, I like what David Allison was saying in this. I do, I like it. But it raises five or six other very important questions that need to be answered to give any context to what these commitments are. So we'll see what happens there. All right, next up, Luke writes, "Hey, John, I saw Zack Snyder post a pic of him visiting the Warner lot. Is it likely he was there to pitch his escape from New York remake? I heard you was making." I doubt it's that. I doubt it's that, but it could be a lot of different things. Like Zack Snyder, I mean, obviously everybody wants to rush to, he's coming back to DC. No, he's not. Actually, let me walk that back for a second. I have said before, I would not count it out of the realm of possibility of James Gunn, who is buddies with Zack Snyder, of James Gunn bringing in Zack Snyder to direct not a Snyder versus movie. That's dead and gone and buried because it was awful. And it's results were awful. I mean, I liked most of the films, but let's be honest, it got run into the ground. Either way, I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that James Gunn and Zack Snyder being buddies, that James Gunn would say, "Hey, why don't you come in and direct "one of these movies I've got?" I don't think that's likely, but I don't think that's impossible. What I think is probably the most likely scenario here is that he's visiting the studio like any other filmmaker going into Pitcher Project. I think that would be totally normal, and I don't think there's anything much else to it. But hey, that's just what I think. Who knows? Maybe he was there for somebody's birthday party. I have no idea. All right. Next up, Eric writes, "John, have you seen the film, "The Drama?" I have. I really like the film would love to hear your thoughts on it. I honestly thought the movie was terrible. That's not to say you should think it's terrible. If you enjoyed it, awesome. But I was really disappointed in it. And it's really too bad, too, because I thought, the performances given by Robert Pattinson, by Zendaya, were both fantastic. I love the idea of the film too. The problem is it has this big grand idea and then doesn't really do anything with it. And it breaks a lot of rules of logic. And I gotta say, I remember Ann and I went to go see it. I think I did an out of theater reaction to it. I'm pretty sure I did. And I gotta say for me, I thought that movie was a real missed opportunity. I thought it could have been a really special movie. I walked away bored. I also walked away thinking it didn't give me anything. I wasn't, yeah, I just didn't think it was a particularly good movie. But listen, man, the important thing is you liked it and as long as you did, that's all that matters, man. All right. Next up, we've got Dean Tock's movies for rights. Hey, John, I met Charlie Cox, nice. Yesterday at the Dublin Comic Con, he's currently filming here in Ireland for a show called Kin. Don't know if you've heard about it, but I'd highly recommend the show. I can tell you I've never heard of the show. That's one thing, but I do love Charlie Cox. Man, I've loved him ever since Star Dust. For those of you who know the ramble I'm about to go on, Star Dust is the singular, most underappreciated movie I think ever made. I'm not saying it's the best movie ever made. I just think it is a movie that a ton of people have never even heard of. And I think it is just a woefully underappreciated, undervalued, underrated movie. It is fantastic. Star's Charlie Cox, but it also has a Hussu, I mean, Ricky Jervais, Michelle Pfeiffer, Robert De Niro, Henry Cavill, Clare Danes, Peter O'Toole, Mark Strong. I mean, it just, it goes on and on and on. It's huge. It is the, I call it the spiritual successor to Princess Bride. If you haven't seen it, watch Star Dust. I love it. I think it's absolutely magical. And I think it's the most underappreciated movie ever made, personally. All right, next up, Emanuel writes, "Hey, John, "finally down to a week left until lanterns "can we expect an after show." I, ah, man, I don't know. I'm very excited about lanterns, man. I'm very excited about lanterns. But do I want to do an after show for it? (sighs) I don't know. I certainly can't do one on Sundays because we have D&D. We have Dungeons and Dragons. That's Ann and I, we have our Dungeons and Dragons game on Sundays. Well, John, you just did a post show on last night of House of the Dragon. Yeah, because we didn't have one last night. We just have, so I was available to do one last night. So I don't know. I mean, maybe, maybe a Monday's, that's the problem. I can't do it the day of the show. And normally I prefer to do after shows the day of the show. But you know what? Tell you what. Here's what I'll do. I also don't want to start an after show if I don't like the show. Because I don't want to start if I then have to stop it. Right? And I don't continue to watch a show if I'm not liking it. I don't hate watch shows like some other people do. If I don't think a show works for me, I just tap out and move on to something else I do like. Life is too short to spend times worrying and bitching about things you don't like. So and so I want to be careful. So I'll tell you what I believe, correct me in the live chat if I'm wrong, but it starts Sunday, right? Let me know. I think it's Sunday that it comes out. Okay. If it is Sunday that it comes out. And I like it. And I think there's a good chance. Dimash is saying, yes, Sunday, okay. So if I watch it Sunday and I enjoy it and I think this looks really solid and I think it has a chance to stay good, then we will do an after show. And we'll probably, we'll have to do it Monday nights because Sunday nights I have Dungeon and Dragons. So if it's good and I really like it, after show. If not, then Monday morning on the John Campy show, you'll hear me complain about it and then I'll never talk about it again. All right, good question though, man. Thanks for bringing that up. Let's see how it turns out. I am hoping for really good things about it. I hope I am hoping for really good things for it. All right, next up, Cameron Burnett writes, "While the green lad variant which could be Sylvie, by the way, there's not just one green lad variant which, there's a host of them." That was just a costume that the lad variant which is where? There is not one single lad variant which anyway. Could be Sylvie, it's not Sylvie. What do you think about it being Morgan Lafay from the runaways on Hulu, Elizabeth Hurley? No, because none of the audience would understand that anyway. The only point, the only purpose of bringing in outside characters like that is because the whole audience would go, "Whoa, like it's so and so." Nobody knows that character from runaways. I think me and seven other people watched runaways. So there's that, Elizabeth Hurley, like, I don't know, as Satan, is that Elizabeth Hurley? What was that movie she did with Brendan Frazier? Help me out, guys. By the way, how stunningly beautiful is she in that? And I love that movie, but what's the name of it again? I'm freezing out. The Brendan Frazier, Elizabeth Hurley movie where Elizabeth Hurley is the devil. Anybody in the live chat know it? Bedazzled, yes, CLS is the first person to put in. Oh my God, I love Bedazzled. So do you mean Elizabeth Hurley from Bedazzled? That would be kind of fun. No, no. I think the Latvarian witches are literally going to be Latvarian witches. I don't think it's going to be silvy. I don't think it's going to be the girl from runaways. I don't think it's going to be Elizabeth Hurley. Although I would get a kick out of that if it did. But no, the whole point of it doing something like that would be to give the audience a big dopamine hit. But when it's something that nobody ever watched. So and again, they're Latvarian witches. They're witches from Latvaria. So yeah, I don't think, and by the way, I don't know who the witches are. I know a lot about Doomsday. Now everybody in the world does too. But I mean, I honestly don't know who specifically is under the mask. I don't know that ever becomes an issue in the movie. I just don't know. But I don't think it's going to be that. But it's an interesting theory camera. All right, next up. We got Patrick Stewart who sends in a $50 super chat. Patrick, thank you so much, man. For supporting our show on that level. That's incredible. Thank you, dude. And what does Patrick write? Patrick writes, on Friday, I saw Spider-Man for the fourth time. I made my fourth viewing of the movie in IMAX format. Nice, the sound could be felt in several scenes. I'm trying to find seats for Dolby close to Washington DC and I'm struggling to find available seats. And you know what, it just, it probably will be a struggle for a little while. Give it another week. But if you like sound, the sound in a Dolby theater is second to none. Like it's absolutely second to none. I love IMAX. Love it. Love it. Tonight, I'm doing the first. I have never visited a screen X before. Never been to one. I've never even really known where there were one existed. But I found out there was one in Orange County, not far from me, about half hour from where I live, at a cinema, and they have a screen X. So me and Anne are going to go try our first screen X experience tonight. We're going to go see Spider-Man and screen X tonight. So I'm kind of excited for that. Anyway, that aside, I love IMAX. Love it. But I gotta say sound is part of the reason that my first choice is usually a prime Dolby at an AMC, not just because the projection is top notch, but the sound is incredible. The sound is really incredible. So I hope you get a chance to experience the movie in that format as well. I'm still only on my second viewing, Patrick. I've still only seen it twice. So tonight will be my third screening of the movie. I'm really excited to go back and watch it some more. All right, next up, and by the way, Patrick, again, thank you for supporting us on that level. That's incredibly generous to everyone. Really appreciate it, Patrick. All right, next up, Eric writes, John, my favorite scene in last night's episode was Helena calling out Renera saying, "Everything you care about is ugly." Yeah, I don't want to go into any spoilers about last night's episode of Fouls the Dragon, 'cause it's only been out for a few minutes. I mean, listen, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. If a show comes out on television, I think it's fair to talk about the next day. I know not everybody agrees with me, and that's fine, it's often lonely being right. But like, when a football game happens on Sunday night, on Monday, you can't expect people not to talk about the game that happened last night and what the final score was. Like, if you don't know what it is, that's on you. That's your responsibility. It was available. It came out. If you wanted to watch it, you should have watched it. Everybody should be totally free to talk about. Well, it's amazing how, you know, the, I don't know, the Philadelphia Eagles beat up on the Seattle Seahawks yesterday, 36 to 21. It's totally fair game. I think the same thing about television shows. Totally do. But for House the Dragon, I will, I will read it. lent for a day and not talk about spoilers in it, but I think that should be open to think, but I will say this. Yes, that moment was great. I didn't open spoiler discussion of the house of the dragon episode last night. I loved it. I loved it. I think the whole season was great. I think it's my favorite season. And it had some of my favorite moments of any game of Thrones verse show, whether it's seven kingdoms, Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon. I love this season. I thought last night's finale was an absolute banger. All right. Next up, Assistant Professor X rights. John Higgs field made the world's first 90 minute action movie, Hell Grind, and it's impressive. They just released a second two action hour comedy. Don't care. Don't care about AI generated movies. Really don't care at all. Now, look, I am not a technology rejecter. I do believe like the development of any tool, if a tool can come along that can be an interesting tool in a filmmaker's holster, figure out a way to use it and to use it right. I remember a lot of people were very angry when computer animated graphics came around. They were very angry, but it's still storytellers telling stories, right? But I got to admit, right now I don't have any interest in like whatever Higgs field does or whatever modeling, image modeling thing that they have. I'm just not interested. It just doesn't move the needle for me right now. All right. Next up, we've got Rich Reviews who sends in a $20 super chat. Thank you, Rich. Appreciate that, man. And Rich writes, a film I am excited for is the documentary once upon a time in Harlem. The footage shot in 1972 now being released is the director at a house party of Duke Ellington and other illuminaries of the Harlem Renaissance. Okay. I have not heard of this project. It is now instantly on my interest list. That sounds fat. I had no idea what it could be about when you said the title of it, but that is now very high on my interest list. I want to see it. I want to see that now. All right. Thank you, Rich, for not only sending a question, but but supporting us on that level. I'll really appreciate that, man. Thank you very much. And thank you for bringing that movie to my attention. All right. Daniel Harmon writes, Hey, John, been listening for eight months and love the show. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate that. If you were Feige, would you build another interconnected MCU saga or focus on making individual franchises great first? I think it's a misnomer that you have to do one or the other, right? I think that's misnomer. I think, look, what made the MCU successful in its first three phases was not that it was an interconnected universe. It's that they made great individual movies for the dark world and Iron Man, too, not withstanding. The thing that Marvel did not become the biggest thing in the box office history because they were interconnected movies. Did that help? Sure. But none of that would have meant anything if the individual movies weren't beloved. Having Samuel Jackson come out at the end of the movie. Here's a great example. Okay. Having Samuel Jackson coming out at the end of Iron Man and saying, working on something called the Avengers Initiative, that wouldn't have meant anything if the movie hadn't been great. You know what it would have been? What was the name of that movie about dragons? That was the big hits, a book series. Agathon or what was it? It started with an A. It was the name of the dragon. Help me out, guys. Agilon, Agathon, a Pom Pom. Oh my God, a Pom, whatever, whatever was called. Aragon. Okay, there it is. It wasn't A. It was an E. Aragon. Okay. If Iron Man wasn't as great as it was, that last moment of Samuel Jackson saying, I'm doing the Avengers Initiative, wouldn't have meant any more than the post credit scene of Aragon. Do you guys remember the post credit scene of Aragon? You guys remember the post credit scene? It was basically the same thing. I believe it was John Melkovich going over and like pulling down the drape and he's got his big dragon. Oh, that means it's a sequel. It's going to be a big cinematic universe, but nobody cared. Nobody cared because the movie was bad. So nobody cared. Samuel Jackson's big pronounci- pronouncing that all. I'm doing the Avengers Initiative. Yeah, huge pop, huge thing at the end of the movie, but it was only that way because the movie was great and people loved it. Being a big shared cinematic universe certainly helped. Absolutely did. I'm not taking away from that. But again, none of it would matter unless the individual films were great. So you got to make great individual films, whether the individual films are with one solitary superhero, two or three of them teaming up or a team of six or seven. It doesn't matter. But at the end of the day, the individual films need to be really good. Otherwise, none of it matters. So that's that would be what I would say to that. Anyway, all right, good question, Daniel. Next up, Richard Views writes in again, he says, do you think the deal between Ellison and the state's slash WGA is possible or is the well too poisoned? I believe a deal is possible. Yeah, I said that a little bit earlier in the show. I still believe a deal is possible to make this all work. Now, the deal will require paramount to give up significant pieces. And it ain't CNN. It ain't CNN. CNN will not do anything to satisfy the section seven of the Clayton Act clauses at all. It's going to have to be big significant pieces. Because as the states, the AGs wrote, not only is this one movie company controlling X amount of the movie industry, they're also going to be controlling 50 of the largest television networks, like at the same time, like both of them. So they're going to have it. Honestly, I know this sounds ridiculous, but it may actually involve them having to adding HBO Max out of the deal. How do you separate HBO from Warner Brothers? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just spitballing here, but it's going to take something big and significant. And then the Ellisons will have to decide if that big significant thing is too big and therefore have to abandon the deal or if it's worth swallowing in order to get the rest of the deal to go through. And it's not going to just be one big significant thing. I think it's going to have to be a collection of big significant things. What that would be and what the AGs would be satisfied with, I don't know. But to answer your question, yes, I still think a deal between the states and paramount in order to clear the way to make the merger happen. I do believe a deal is still possible. The question will be if the price tag of that deal is going to be too big for the Ellisons to accept. But we'll see. I do think there is a compromise out there that can be reached. I just know that they will. All right. Good question, man. Eugene Wright sends in a $20 super chat. Thank you, Eugene. Appreciate that, dude. And Eugene Wright's honestly really deserves to beat Deadpool Wolverine. Well, nothing deserves anything. You deserve as much as you make, right? Like the great NFL coach said, we are, you know, we are who we are. Our record says who we are. I think it was Bill Parcells said that your record tells you who you are. There's not about deserving to be better. You are what you are. Anyway, Odyssey really deserves to be Deadpool Wolverine. I hope it does. Not only is it an epic masterpiece, but also I think it's doing well because there are so many deep themes in that there are that are so resonant with people today. Oh, listen, I think Odyssey is fantastic. It is, I keep, what is my third or fourth favorite film of the year? No, no, no, it is my favorite film of the year so far. I'm trying to think about which is three or four because the top three right now from here, easy. My favorite film of the year is the Odyssey. My second favorite film of the year, I believe, is Project tell Mary. Then you're getting down to the third film. No, second favorite film is the invite. Second favorite film is the invite. Third favorite film is Project tell Mary. And then in fourth spot, sheep detectives or Odyssey or I mean obsession, I mean, or obsession. Yeah, anyway, listen, the movies at $1.1 billion already. I mean, not already. It's been out for a while. It only has about 200 plus more million to go. It can reach it. It can reach Deadpool's numbers. It can. I'm not saying it will, but it definitely can. So let's see where things are at after next weekend, but yeah, next weekend will tell us. I think after next weekend, it will absolutely tell us if it's going to cross Deadpool or not, but it's definitely got a shot. All right. Thanks for that Eugene. Mios T's. I'm sure I'm saying that wrong, forgive me. Right? It's prediction. I think frozen three will make two billion. Well, I mean, first of all, I think frozen three will make two billion. Because we gotta see if Frozen 3 is any good, right? We gotta see if it's any good. But the Frozen movies have been phenomenons. And listen, I'm not gonna lie, they're not made for me. But I love 'em, I'll just tell you right now. I love those movies. I am definitely not their target audience. They're definitely not made for me, and that's okay. I still love them. I don't mind telling you I love them. Man, I love the music in it. And you know what, as good as that big song from the first movie, let it go. I mean, that song's amazing. It's been overplayed, but it doesn't take away from that. It's a phenomenal piece of music. It's so good. But I think the song from the second film into the unknown, I think that song is almost as good as let it go. Like, I think that is a banger of a song. I think the music in Frozen has been so good. And I love those films, and you know what? If the movie's good, when you look at what's been happening with Inside Out 2 and Zotopia 2, I wouldn't put money against Frozen 3 making $2 billion. I mean, I don't think it'll be $2 billion, but I'm not going to bet any money. You guess it? Let's see how good the movie is or not when it comes out. All right, Drew writes, "I am loving the casting updates for the Zelda movie. Yulee, I'm sure I'm going to say the name on Latu Ekfu as Gan. And Lydia Peckham are great additions on top of an already fantastic cast." Yeah, again, yesterday I just discovered, I'm sure other people already knew, but Yvonne Strachowski has been added to it. I've loved her since Chuck Lover in the Handmaid's Tale. I think she's great. Looking forward to seeing her. But again, the big thing for me that has gotten me really interested in this movie is the kid playing Link, the kid who plays King Darren in House of the Dragon. I love this. I think this kid's great. I really like this kid. I think he's been fantastic in House of the Dragon. And so that's been the piece of casting news for me that has really kind of put me from being really interested in this live-action Zelda movie to being straight up excited for this live-action Zelda movie. All right, basement dad writes, seeing Hugh Jackman live tomorrow, tomorrow night with the Boston Pops. Nice. He'll be performing songs from his Broadway and movie career, Super Stoke. You know what? I remember a year or two ago, he was going around and doing like on tour as a one-man show. I would have loved to have seen that. I think when he was in L.A., I think I was out of town, but I absolutely would have loved to have seen that. I think that would be great. So I'm kind of jealous that you get to go and experience that. I hope you have a good time, man. All right, next up, Alex Mercer writes, "Hey, John, man, this is you Spider-Man brand new day in 4DX and RPX at the regal. The entire theater room was basically an Xbox controller and it was a great experience." Listen, I have, if I've gone to, I can't remember now if I've gone to see one or two films in 4DX. That's one where the chairs move and all that kind of stuff. I remember the first movie I went to go see in a 4DX was at a regal. I think it was at the regal at the Irvine Spectrum Center. And I went to go see Twitter, was it Twisters? Yeah, yeah, that's the name of the novel. I like with Glenn Powell. That was the perfect movie to watch in 4DX. Now, I remember coming out of it saying, I don't know if I'd want to watch a lot of movies in 4DX. It has to be the right one. But man, Twisters was perfect for 4DX. I wonder, I wonder if Spider-Man would be good. Again, I'm gonna go see Spider-Man in a different kind of theater tonight with a screen X. I wonder how I would like Spider-Man in a 4DX. Anyway, glad you had a good time, Alex. Next up, McCray writes, "Hey, John, have you noticed or seen these artificial intelligence movies will have your boy Henry's face as the main characters or characters is crazy?" You know what? No, but my wife Ann has, I don't know the name of them, but she's been watching these Dungeons and Dragons, this Dungeons and Dragons movie that's being released in like 10-minute chunks. And it's like, the main character is a tiefling. If any of you guys know in the live chat what I'm talking about, but they're on YouTube. And they come out once a week, I think, in these like these 10-minute chunks and they're done with AI. And the story's actually pretty good. The AI, yeah, the AI is the AI. But she's been watching these and they're actually pretty okay. But one of the first things I've noticed is that a number of their characters faces absolutely look like Henry Cavill. But worse than that, the main character, which is a tiefling, his voice completely sounds like Henry Cavill. So somewhere, there's an AI circle jerk club. And they've all got little statues of Henry Cavill. My boy, Henry, who I have standing here watching vigil over the studio. I have some kind of club where they are all very, very committed to Henry Cavill because it seems like a lot of these all either look like Henry Cavill or as in the case of this one that my wife is watching, very much sounds like Henry Cavill. So Henry Cavill seems to be the poster boy for AI influence, I guess. Alright, Brandon Bowers writes, where are we at? One of two, I'd argue that price gouging is a bigger reason to be a cynical of modern box office and inflation between 2015 and 2026. US inflation rose 35%. However, in 2015 and 2026, the average movie ticket went from $8.43 to $15.76 respectively. That's an 87% increase is a lot more than inflation. So I did, because of all the Spider-Man stuff that with Spider-Man breaking records and all that kind of stuff, I've had, again, as I've had my entire career. Always have people writing into me saying, "John, whenever you talk about box office, why don't you talk about inflation?" So I finally made like an editorial video this weekend about why I don't count inflation. Like I think inflation is a false equivalency. It takes one era variable while ignoring all the other error variables. And I just think it's a pointless exercise. Much like different errors in sports produce different results. Therefore, in sports, we just take the raw unaltered numbers, right? Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs. You don't adjust that for anything. You just hit 60 home runs. How do you compare that? It's not a perfect system. It's not, but there is no perfect system. Actually, I have to get around a little bit later because I've been informed that my friend, Dan Merle, who is brilliant, by the way, I love Dan, huge respect. I'm not bitter at all that he handed me my one single solitary singles movie trivia defeat. I'm not bitter about it at all. I don't lose sleep over it. I'm fine. Anyway, apparently I've been informed that Dan, after I made my video about, because so many people kept asking me, "John, why don't you count inflation?" I made this editorial about exactly why I don't count inflation. And you shouldn't count inflation. Apparently, I've been informed that Dan made a rebuttal video because Dan does count inflation. And he made a rebuttal video about why inflation does count. And listen, inflation is a real thing, absolutely. But when it comes to how we evaluate box office numbers, it's a cherry pick stat because it ignores all the other variables. And that's why I reject it. But I do have to go and watch Dan's video to see what Dan had to say about it. Again, I'm sure he's gonna say some incredibly salient and very, very smart things, but I'm gonna have to go and watch that at some point. All right. Next up, we've got Keaton, who writes, us, we don't want 30 minutes of ads before movies. AMC, somebody get these beggars out of here. Don't, I'm not gonna take the bait. I'm not gonna take the bait on going off on one of my 30 minute tangents about showing 30 minutes of ads in a movie that you paid to go see. Not gonna do it, but yes, it's awful, it's terrible, and it's gotta be stopped. But I'm not taking the bait, Keaton. I'm not taking the bait. All right. Next up, and the last one today comes us from Zach Webb. And Zach Webb writes, "Hey, John, do you think DC Studio should come out and address the status of projects that they announced versus the direction they seem to be headed now?" I was excited for Swamp Thing, but haven't seen a thing about it, thanks. No, they shouldn't, and the reason I'm gonna say they shouldn't is because unlike Blade, which was like at the center of the conversation for a very long time, Blade, where they literally had the casting and marched the star, Mahershal Ali, out onto stage and announced at Comic-Con. Reveeeed! Unlike that, 99% of the average movie going public has no idea DC was planning on doing a Swamp Thing movie. That's just a fact. Like 99% of the movie going out doesn't even know, never knew. So I don't think they should address it until they have something to say. Like once they decide that they're gonna move forward with it and they're now in development, say that. Once they 100% decide, We're just going to- in a different direction now we're not going to do swamp thing. Then say it. For now, what would be the point of addressing anything? Just to be honest, I could be right, I could be wrong, but it just seems to me, if you don't have anything to report, don't report. Report when you've got something to report. Report that we're now starting development of the movie or report we've decided not to do this movie. But I don't think for a movie that 99% of the average movie going on, it doesn't even know exists or heard of or whatever, I really don't think they need to come out and say anything at this point. So let's reevaluate as we move along as they would say. All right, guys, and that will do it for today's installment of the John Campy Show. Thank you guys so much for being here and making this little show part of your day. Big special thank you to the thousands of you guys here in the live chat. You guys make this show fun doing live. It's great watching your comments and even when we hit things like we don't know this and we ask you guys and you guys give us answers and just watching your conversations with each other makes it a lot of fun to do this show. So thank you guys so much for being here and making this live show a part of your day. Also, big special thank you to all you guys who sent in the super chats. Number one, because again, it's great fun things to talk about. But number two, you supported this channel as you did it and everybody involved at the show. Thanks you guys so very much for your support. All right, I'm going to go off and watch me some Spider-Man now in a screen X theater, which I've never done before. I'm kind of excited about my experience. I'll talk about it a little bit tomorrow on the show. We've already got a few items lined up for tomorrow's show. We hope you guys will come back and join us. Big thanks, of course, to Christian Harlowff and of course, our technical producer, Jonathan Voiko. That'll do it for me for now, guys. My name is John Campier and until tomorrow, my friends. Bye bye.