Spider-Man Becomes The Biggest Domestic Film Of All-Time - The John Campea Show

well greetings and salutations everybody welcome to the best stand move related show on the planet earth the john campy show coming from right here in my quaint little studio i'm of course your host john campia and this is the show where we talk about the things that we love movies and movie news tv and streaming and all that good stuff i'm awfully glad that you're joining us here today joining us today all the way from new york he is of course christian harloff is here ladies and gentlemen christian how you doing sir i'm good i'm sorry i was out last week what i miss uh by the way i you just told me this morning that i got to bring your full shot up here that game that's an actual console of dragon's lair behind you yes i have never been more jealous oh dude it's when i and i have the old school star wars across here that old school atari star wars one we used to play it like that oh the four bit one yeah oh my god yeah by the way also joining us today of course is our technical producer jonathan voyko jonathan how you doing sir i'm doing all right despite the fact that i have no gaming consoles behind me i'm doing pretty good you got a pretty good office set up there though i don't mind it by the way uh before we get started i should mention this couple weeks ago while we were doing the show uh you many of you guys will remember this every once in a while people throw in some sports questions for me and somebody asked me the question you might appreciate this christian somebody asked me the question out of all the bottom teams from last year which of the bottom teams do i think had the best shot at the playoffs this year and i said and everybody laughed at me i said the new york football giants that's right i said because i think they got a lot of young great pieces a lot of their the only one four games last year but i said a lot of the games they lost they were competitive they took a lot of bad breaks last year uh health and injuries and stuff like that i said and no games last year they lost they were competitive they took a lot of no sport is the head coach more important than in football. And they just got one of the best of all time in John Harbaugh. I said, I'm telling you, I'm not saying they're going to win the Superbowl, but come the last two or three games of the season, they are going to be in the playoff hunt. And everybody laughed at me. Then how about them Cowboys? And then they played the Cowboys last night. They look good, man. Dude. They look good. I mean, how about between dart and likely together, that combination and the running game look real good. I was, I, it was like that scene in major league starting to come together. It was, it was, it was awesome. It was just fun to watch. They've done that before to me in the past where they start out real good. And then it's like, but I don't know. Last night looked really hopeful and I couldn't agree more. Harbaugh really is bringing something special to the team. Tell you what. Eight plus wins this season. They're going to double the ring count from last year. I hope you're right. Again, I'm not a hundred percent sure about the playoffs, but I think they're going to be in the hunt. By the way, one other thing I should mention to you guys is, is tonight at 5 PM, Los Angeles time, that is 8 PM, New York, Toronto time. Of course, Robert Meyer Burnett and I are going to be doing our lanterns post game show. Of course, following up on that firecracker of an episode last night, we're going to be talking lanterns tonight. If you guys want to talk about lanterns in a big open spoilery discussion kind of format, our post game show for lanterns is tonight at 5 PM and we'll look forward to seeing you guys there. All right, guys. With that, all down, let's get things started here, shall we? And we're going to get things kicked off with this. Well, it's the Odyssey's world and we're all just living in it. And the Odyssey following on its massive run of breaking box office record after box office record after a box office record has just set a new one. It's being reported in the rap that the Odyssey has now just passed Jurassic world as get this, the, the highest grossing film from universal studios of all time. Think about the history of universal studios. Think about all the movies that have come out of universal studios. Think about how long universal studios has been around and Odyssey has just become their biggest of all time. The rap. Do you think they sent a gift basket over to Warner brothers for, thank you so much for pissing off Christopher. Nolan. Thank you so much for doing that. Uh, the rap wrote Christopher Nolan's. The Odyssey has taken its place as universal's highest grossing film of all time before inflation adjustment, which is irrelevant anyway, passing the $1.67 billion global record set in 2015 by Jurassic world in its ninth weekend in theaters. The studio record joins a slew of other box office records that the Odyssey is set, including a career best for Nolan surpassing even the dark night rises. The all time R rated box office record, which of course it passed Deadpool and Wolverine for that. And the highest grossing film ever for IMAX. And when you look back to at the films that have come out from universal and what the records were, this is what it looks like. So if you look at what the all time highest grossing movies for universal studios are, you had two of the Jurassic world movies, you have Jurassic world fallen kingdom at 1.3 billion. The super Mario brothers movie is a huge winner for them making 1.36 billion. The fast and furious seven, which I love, that movie at 1.51 billion. Then of course the record holder was Jurassic world at 1.67 billion, but that has now been passed by the Odyssey at $1.68 billion and climbing. And it's probably going to end up passing the $1.7 billion mark. Now look, I've, I've got to say and admit when this movie was about four or five months away from coming out, people would, they would ask me, do you think the Odyssey can be a billion dollar film? I said, well, it's possible. It is Christopher Nolan. I mean, after all Oppenheimer, a biographical period piece almost made a billion dollars. So it could, but I said, it's going to be tough. It's going to be huge. It's going to be a massive hit, but I don't know about a billion man. It, it hit a billion without breaking a sweat without breaking a sweat. Then it became one of only three R rated films in history to join the billion dollar club. Then it passed 1.5 and now it's looking, at closing it at 1.7. And now guys, we're not talking about a movie that, Oh, can it be one of the highest grossing R rated films of all time? It's now legitimately in the conversation of one of the biggest movies period of all time. And in its ninth week, it's still number three at the box office and it's ninth week. It is still number three at the box office, which confuses me. Cause again, I was told, I was told by many people in positions of authority that this movie was going to flop. And yet here we are 1.7 billion. Now, Christian, I know we've had this conversation, but it's been about a month and it continues on. I think the last time we talked about the odyssey was that like 1.3 billion, something like that. It's now approaching 1.7. It's officially the highest grossing film in the history of universal studios. Why is this film continue to chug along? Why does this film continue to be, and they're not just the top five, but like the top one, top two, top three position after nine weeks, it's staying power. And are we now seeing it capping out? And what do you think maybe five years from now, the legacy of this movie is going to be as we look back on it and its success and the reasons for its success? Well, I think the first obvious answer is that right now, Christopher Nolan is the guy he's, he's the Beatles of directors right now. He's, he's just, he, he, there are very, you, we've had this discussion for, I think the last five years is that there are, as we've mentioned many times over, it's not necessarily the movie star that people just blindly go in to see movies for. Now there's a handful of directors that they do it for. And Nolan is the top of that list. They just want to know what he's going to do, what he's going to do next. And then when they announce what it is, then that starts to hype and hype up what's going to happen as far as the potential, of what he could do. Right. But once they said the Odyssey, Oh my God, him doing a swords and sandals, sign me up. And what he's also able to do is that every actor wants to work with them. So his budgets, they're always going to be big, but they won't be as big as they could be because people will take pay cuts to work with him. Yeah. That's why he gets these inflated, big, huge monster, talented cast because everybody wants to work with them. It's like, Hey, you can be in it, but you're not going to get your $15 million. You're going to get scaled. I don't care. I'm in because every single time you do it, awards, awards, awards, status, box office, number one movie, everyone talking about it. And it's also because it's outside of the comic book, big budget movies that everybody goes to normally see that we're talking about with these big numbers or the Jurassic parks, the outside of the IP. It gave everybody else something to go and see in the theater. I talked about when I went to see this movie and I went into this, there were these two old ladies that must've been maybe in their eighties. We're going, I'm going to see the Odyssey. It's a great, everybody wanted to see it. And I think that's an, another reason, the same reason that Spider-Man was continuing to do as well as it was, not only are they both really good movies, they came out at a really good time at the end of July, when all the big stuff started to dwindle down, the only competition Odyssey really had was the other movie I just mentioned in Spider-Man. So then they, people just wanted to go to the movies. Well, I can't go to all the Spider-Man movies are, are sold out. Maybe they had a little bit of that effect of the Barbenheimer type thing because it's like, okay, well, I still wanted to see Odyssey. but i couldn't see it because spider-man was in the theater so i'll go see that now or vice versa so as far as what it's going to be in five years this is just it's just going to be another notch in what nolan continues to do he's just he's a he's a he's a trailblazer you know it's funny i still remember the first time i came out of the theater uh watching this thing and i was kind of stunned by how much i haven't seen a movie in a long long time i i honestly can't remember the last time i saw a movie that really made me feel like this is golden era hollywood epic filmmaking the type you got with cleopatra or ben-hur or stuff like it just had that kind of scope and feel to it and it clearly struck a chord with the eyes also think about this guys this is the first time ever when we have two films you in theaters both in the top three were combined the two films alone spider-man brand new day and the odyssey have combined for over four billion dollars crazy four billion dollars we'll talk about spider-man a little bit more in just a minute guys right now though the question is for you what do you think about this the odyssey on top of all the other records it's been setting is now the highest grossing film in the history of the studio of universal it's a major milestone for them and it just keeps rolling it looks like it's going to cross 1.7 billion which even i never thought it would do whatever you guys think about it jump down into the comment section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys with that down let's move on to this shall we you know when i was a kid the show was a little bit before my time but when i was a kid i would every once in a while pop on the tv and watch these old reruns of this show get smart that i don't know why i just thought it was hilarious and i loved it so a couple years ago when steve carell and hathaway and duane the rock johnson did a movie version of it i was pretty excited about it the movie was okay i mean it was what it was i still love everybody involved with it but i never really thought other than maybe another passive inspector gadget which was just an animated homage to get smart i never really thought we would get get smart again but hold your horses because it looks like the studio is actually looking to do get smart again this time with john mulaney this one came out of nowhere for me when they announced this uh that they're looking at doing a new get smart movie with john mulaney this is what the hollywood reporter had to say john mulaney is looking to get into the spy game the comedian is in talks to star in a get smart reimagining that is an early development at warner brothers the hollywood reporter has learned seth graham smith now you see me now you don't i hate all those now you see me movies um is writing the screenplay for the project that counts charles rovin one of the most prolific uh producers in all of hollywood and andrew lazara's producers peter seagal directed 2008's feature adaptation of the property get smart which starred steve carell and hathaway and duane johnson it collected 230 million dollars globally and the sequel was in development before going dead and i think probably the main reason it went dead was the aforementioned it only really made 230 million dollars all right there's two different aspects of this number one is just taking another swing at get smart get smart the original show to me is all-time classic again it was before my time but i loved watching the reruns and every once in a while when clips of it pop up and i watch them they still make me laugh but i gotta say even though i'm a fan i don't know that there's an audience for it to just to be frank with you i i just don't know if there's going to be a big audience for it um so i have questions about that i'll go see it i just don't know if i'm going to have any trouble buying tickets the second aspect of this is the john mulaney angle i i am an unashamed massive john mulaney fan i love this guy i think he is absolutely i remember the first time my wife showed me his comedy special a bunch of years ago and i just laughed my fool ass off at everything he said and did i love him as peter porker in spider-man across the spider-verse i still think one of the greatest lines in that original spider-verse movie is have you ever floated across the room when you smelled a delicious pie it's one of the best lines in that movie and then he of course had like he he has such a clean image and then it came out that he had real drug problems and drug addiction and then he did this comedy special i don't know if you guys saw it after he came out of rehab like it was some time had passed and he did an entire comedy special all about his drug problem and his rehab and it was one of the most cathartic honest heartbreaking yet at the same time ridiculously hilarious as he layered his latest soul bear about his failings and all this kind of stuff and his addiction and it was truly one of the most healing things i've seen in my life and it was one of the most healing things i've ever seen in my life and seen that ann and i actually went to go see him in palm springs just a month or two ago we went to go see him live and he's hilarious and listen if anybody i think could have the chance of stepping in and actually playing maxwell smart and doing it justice right now only two names come to mind steve carell but he already took a swing at it and the other is john mulaney so again i'm not totally sure christian if even trying to make this movie's a good idea just being honest i'm not sure but if you're going to do it i think mulaney's the guy to do it now i i don't know did you ever watch this as a kid in the reruns what do you think about the casting what's your thoughts on this well when it was on nickelodeon and like the reruns i would i would definitely check it out but um you know the thing is i actually loved mulaney from his writing days at saturday night live yeah because the one of my favorite bits ever is the stefan's stuff that he used to write that hater had no idea what was coming and then it'd be like mtv's dan cortez and like he would he would throw these comments in there and do that and he's just got that that wit about him i think that the dangerous thing like you said is the ip that is from the 60s i mean shoot man look at look at he-man that's an ip from the 80s that people wouldn't go and check out it could be an ip lost i don't think that you try to get people and we're doing a new get smart movie like that's not what's going to get people in the theater what you should do is let mulaney write as much as he can for this character and make it like sometimes it's like you have an ip and you're like oh i hope they stay true to it who cares if they stay true to it make it a mulaney vehicle and showcase his strengths and do everything that you can to just showcase what he can do as maxwell smart in this version of it and the other thing is make it for nothing make it for you not go big budget over the top with this with a lot of big co-stars and big action pieces make it a funny witty piece that you can make for 40 million dollars whatever it might be maybe 60 and see if you can benefit that way because the ip is so long dead that it's just too big of a risk because they're not because one of us isn't really what's i mean i guess you could put it on hbo max and hope that it does well there afterwards too but for the most part make it a mulaney vehicle really showcase on his strengths and make it funny and make people you know it's a really funny movie and go small with the budget and you might be able to pull something out of it by the way i'm seeing i saw a few people in the live chat saying something wait is that was get smart the show that was kind of like the the reboot of uh inspector gadget no no no guys get smart came first inspector bat gadget was absolutely modeled after get smart as a matter of fact correct me if i'm wrong but the guy who did get smart as well smart in the original get smart is the guy who did the voice of inspector gadget um so and i'll have to look up yeah so if you but there's something else you can look up for me jonathan so it was don adams yeah don adams don adams did the voice of uh of inspector gadget yeah there you go totally based off of get smart you brought up a really interesting point christian about how well i mean look we're talking about the 80s nostalgia ip look at what happened with masters can you look up what did liam neeson's new um naked gun naked gun do which by the way i really liked i really liked it i think it i think it barely broke even or or worldwide 102 yeah and it was good and it was good and it only made 102 so i i just don't know that there's going to be an audience there for that and and quite frankly but john sorry i'm sorry to cut you off but like 42 million for that budget so like that's kind of my point right if you can go you can go small with it and then maybe because even like 100 you want you want to get a little better than 100 but that's the neighborhood you want to play in yeah so it broke even yeah it broke even even with marketing it broke even i but there's not a lot of upside like there's not the ceiling doesn't seem to be very high so i don't know and let's face it as much as i love mulaney he's not a known movie commodity i mean people who watch the bear might remember him but i i don't know if he's going to drag in a lot of people anyway guys question is for you what do you think about this i love the idea of taking in somebody taking another swing at get smart i don't know if you're going to drag in a lot of people anyway guys We want to thank a sponsor of today's episode, PrizePix. 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Whatever you guys think about it, jump down to the comments section below and let us know your thoughts. All right, guys. With that down, we're going to go on to this. You know, Monday, start of a brand new week, we thought this would be a good opportunity for us to play a little game of overreaction. The way overreaction works is really quite simple. We jumped on the YouTube community. Tab a little bit earlier, and we asked you guys to send in some of your hottest of hot takes to send them on into us. And then Christian and I are going to adjudicate whether we think your hot take is an overreaction or not an overreaction. Jonathan's got a bunch of them gathered up in front of himself there. So, Jonathan, what do we got up first? All right. First up, is this an overreaction, Christian, from Ben the Great? Supergirl will not matter if Lanterns does great. It depends on what. What doesn't matter means, right? Is it doesn't matter as far as not affecting the overall DCU narrative or DCU or people what they think of it? I agree with that. I think they keep getting wins. Then, yeah, it won't matter. I think that it will matter overall with continuity because they're using her for Man of Tomorrow and other things, too. So, it'll matter as far as the context of the story goes. But as far as people going, oh, it didn't do well. It's the end of the DCU. I agree. If these other things and these other entities are working, yeah, then it won't matter as far as that aspect. It just depends on what you're referring to. Yeah. I'm going to say that I think that's an overreaction because, first of all, Supergirl was a major motion picture, and it was a bad one. Lanterns is still an HBO series, right? And that doesn't quite count as much as the major. I don't think it's a major motion picture release. I also don't think one thing is completely negated out. Like, one bad thing I don't think is completely negated out by one good thing coming in the same way that I don't think one good thing is completely negated by a bad thing that follows it, right? Like, Superman was great. Supergirl wasn't, but that doesn't take away, like, all the momentum, or at least not all of the momentum that Superman got building out. Supergirl was bad. Lanterns may be great, but it doesn't make up for all that. What you need to know is that Superman was great. What you need is a bit of a streak. So, I think, like, if Lanterns finishes strong, and it's been God-level strong up until this point, if it finishes strong and Clayface delivers, yeah, then at that point, guys, I think we're talking about, yeah, Supergirl was a bump in the road. I don't think Lanterns gets it there by itself, but if Lanterns and Clayface string together a little bit of a win streak, yeah, then we'll be going, okay, yeah, Supergirl sucked, but whatever. It's in the rearview mirror. All right, Jonathan, what do we got up next? All right, next up, sticking with you, John, is this an overreaction from Leap? If Paramount can't buy Warner Brothers, Netflix also couldn't. That is an overreaction. You got to remember the legal aspects of this. The main problem and the main gist of the lawsuit and the main reason the judge has already said, yes, it looks like this deal does violate the law with Paramount, is because a movie distribution company, if they acquire Warner Brothers, they will represent more than a 30% market share. And that, according to the definition of the law, violates the law. But Netflix is not a movie distribution company. Now, Netflix buying Warner Brothers would have had its own sets of strengths and weaknesses too, yes, but the main thing is, is that it's not a movie. It's not a movie distribution company. The main problem that Paramount is having is that as a movie theatrical distribution company, buying another theatrical movie distribution company combined makes a level of market share exceed the limits set by the law. Netflix wouldn't have done that because Netflix is not a theatrical movie distribution company. So is it guaranteed that that would have gone through? No, of course not guaranteed, but it wouldn't have had the same legal. Issues that Paramount is having right now, uh, whether it would be better or worse is a different discussion, but it wouldn't have had the same legal challenges because as a combined entity, it wouldn't have exceeded the limits of the law. So I'm going to say that that statement is an overreaction. Christian, what about you? It's a total overreaction because the other side of it is too, is that Paramount wants everything. That's why they're getting, they're running into problems because they want everything and they're like, you can't have everything. Netflix said, we don't want everything. We just want some stuff. Oh, dude, that is such a great point. Cause you got to remember what Christian's alluding to is that Netflix was totally going to spin off all the television networks from Warner brothers, all that other stuff. They only wanted the movie business and HBO, whereas Paramount wants all of it. And that's also making problems. I'm so glad you brought that up. Yeah. They want everything because that's, and that's the main reason. So that's why it's an overreaction because as they said, well, they can't do it. They can't. There's a whole reason why Netflix was probably going to be able to get it a lot easier. Cause like, ah, yeah, sure. We just want this. We want that. Their biggest thing that everybody wanted Netflix, you're still going to put things in theaters, right? That was, that was the thing with Netflix, right? With, with these guys, it's like, oh, they want CNN. They want this. They want that. That's not, wasn't that wasn't Netflix. So you, if Paramount doesn't get it, there's still a pretty good shot that not only will Netflix potentially get it, they're going to get it cheaper, a lot cheaper now they have no competition. All right. Christian, is this an overreaction from H um, Stevens, the James Bond? Yeah. The. The James Bond will be announced on James Bond day, uh, October 5th on prime live stream. I think they mean the James Bond actor. Right. Um, I don't think it's, it's hard to say it's a complete overreaction. I, the only reason I'll say it's an overreaction is I don't think it's gonna happen on that day particularly, but I wouldn't, I don't think it's crazy to think it only because, um, they've said that there was gonna be an announcement by closer to the end of the year. It would be a good time in general to do it, but I think. They're gonna get closer to right at the end of the year, towards the holiday season, to really get people talking about it when news starts to pick up before it slows down completely. Um, so I could see it potentially happening, but I think it's a bit of an overreaction. Is it a possibility? Absolutely. Absolutely a possibility, but is it a probability? I'm gonna say no. And the reason for that is I don't think Denis Villeneuve is gonna have put out or allow to have put out. any of that stuff until after Dune 3 comes out. I think Denis Villeneuve, who of course is directing the new James Bond film, I think Denis Villeneuve wants all eyes on Dune 3. He wants all of his attention on Dune 3. He wants all the internet's attention on Dune 3. And once Dune 3 comes and goes, then they'll probably announce it. Do I think they've probably cast the guy already? Yeah, I do. I think they've already got James Bond cast. And is it possible they could do that on James Bond day? Yeah. I'm not going to fall out of my chair of shock that they did, but my guess is right now they're going to wait till after Dune. So I'm going to call this one an overreaction. All right, Jonathan, what we got up next? All right. Sticking with you, John, is this an overreaction from SuperSmart1256? No studio will want to work with Zack Snyder for a good five years after his last three movies. We're not very well received. Rebel Moon 1 and 2 and The Last Photograph. You know, The Last Photograph is an interesting thing. The trailer came out the other day or a week or two ago, and I said, you know, I don't think the trailer's great, but I'll tell you what I loved about it. I love when directors are willing to step out of their comfort zone and do something that's really different for them. It's something I want to see Quentin Tarantino. He's one of my favorite directors, but he's always doing Quentin Tarantino kinds of movies. You know what I mean? And I love it when directors step out of their comfort zone. And I said, not a great trailer, but I love that Zack Snyder's doing this. Love it. I'm really interested to see what he does. Well, it played at the Toronto International Film Festival, and the reactions to it have been savage. Like, absolutely savage. We're going to take a look at some. This is from The Hollywood Reporter. Nate Adams said, Borderline embarrassing that the Toronto International Film Festival. Let the Last Photograph in. Absolutely abysmal. Darren Moorooz did like it, said, The Last Photograph is a daring departure for Zack Snyder, which is what I was excited about, from his typical filmmaking, creating a more intimate story anchored in photography and brought to life by striking cinematography and Hans Zimmer's musical score, sprawling Colombian landscapes beautifully captured. That's the only one that liked it, though, because Elizabeth Mulfo writes, Put Zack Snyder in director's jail permanently. The Last Photograph is dog shit. It's aimless, contrived. Misogynistic, convoluted, messy, overly long, abysmal, repetitive, slow, shallow, and downright awful. Only positive, it looked pretty. Jason Garber from Film Fest. She's stopped missing words. Yeah. Film Fest wrote, The Last Photograph, Zack Snyder's abortion of a film, is one of the worst to ever play at the festival. Apocalypse, no. Just unabashedly shit on every level. An exercise in incompetence and hubris and an embarrassment to have been screened. At the Toronto International Film Festival. Critic Dave Baldwin wrote, The Last Photograph has all the hallmarks of a typical Zack Snyder film. Viciously violent, questionable ethics, a long, drawn-out running time, slow motion, and cool-looking shots just for the sake of it. I admire his audacity, but have no idea why this movie exists. Gina Von Olago writes, Watching The Last Photograph must have been like when the boys felt like watching Medellin in Entourage. Possibly one of the worst. Yeah, Medellin. Medellin. Possibly one of the worst films. I've had the displeasure of sitting through Snyder, joking that this may be the only time the film screen doesn't feel like a joke anymore. Anyway, it goes on and on and on. I read all those just to set the context for the question. Is no studio now going to work with Zack Snyder for the next five years? I don't think that's an overreaction. Look. When you look at the Rebel Moon films, which truly are two of the worst films I think ever made, they're truly horrendous. And remember, I am somebody. Guys, don't forget this. Up until Rebel Moon, I think there's only been one Zack Snyder film I didn't like, and that was Sucker Punch. Even though I've got a friend who's in it, it's the only Zack Snyder film I don't like. I like all Zack Snyder's films. It is. Sucker Punch on mute is actually an amazing movie. I am a Zack Snyder fan. It's only what other than Rebel Moon, but those things are terrible. I think between what a gamble Netflix took on those Rebel Moon films and totally regretted it. And now this last photograph and looks like nobody's going to touch it. And on top of the fact that Snyder seems to continuously keep the circus going. Alive with his social media, I think just might be something that studios don't want to touch. I'll be honest with you, Christian. I think the best shot we have of seeing Zack Snyder working in the studio system as a director in the next couple of years might actually be with DC Studios because him and James Gunn are tight. Other than that, I think it might not be an overreaction to suggest we might not see a studio film from him in the next few years. I don't know. What do you think about it? I think it's overreaction. I'll tell you why. Because, look, first of all, this movie would cost like $10 million to make. I don't know if he put his own money into it. I can't remember what it was, but it's something along $10 million to make. It'll hurt him as far as, hey, I tried to make something. I tried to do my Terrence Malick film. What do you think? They said, nice try. Go back to slow motion. But I think, though, he's got an audience. And I think that if you're any well, what you if it wouldn't have been overreaction, if it was the studios won't touch Snyder. If it's anything over $150 million or more shit, over $80 million or more, it's like, all right, listen, you want to do another one? Your audience is excited to see it. You got a new idea. Because if you wanted to do another one of those zombie movies or something else for Netflix, they're like, okay, let's give it another shot. How can you do it for, like, 60 or $70 million? I don't think just because I mean, Colin Trevorrow is working again and he went from Jurassic World had a huge thing. Then he had Book of Henry that only he and one other person liked, and then he was doing movies again. Yeah, so it's because they're like, he made a billion dollar movie before that, and Zack Snyder has a very dedicated audience. So if you're a streaming service, you go, okay, we'll give you 60. Do this original idea. Sure, we're not going to give I think what he's done by doing these movies in his last few movies that haven't worked is that he's diminished the ask for how much he can make them. And by the way, he made a little zombie film. What was called Army of the Dead. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I like that movie. I thought that was a fun movie. So I can never not think whenever we bring up Colin Trevorrow, I can never not think about the time he came into Collider, and I believe he was on Christian show, and he was talking about he just got Star Wars, and he was like, Hey, honey, we're going to look for a new home. And that was just so bad because he was the only one that followed the narrative, and they fired him for it. Yeah. Final one here, Christian, is this an overreaction? David Sickles, The Odyssey is already a lock to win best picture at the Oscars. Oh, that's definitely overreaction as much as I'd say. Now, if it was a lock to be nominated, then not an overreaction to win it. We're not even in October yet. All the stuff that really starts coming out and nobody's seen. I mean, you want to go in the same kind of capacity on big budget releases. Dune three hasn't come out. That's right. That's the knee. That's a. Back and forth between the two of those. Who knows what that's going to look like? There's tons of other movies that are usually come out between October until December that all you start getting the word of mouth of, oh, my God, we didn't even see this coming. This could be the biggest movie of the year and not even necessarily box office wise, but because of all the different performances and strong, it's just how it works. It's the system. So a lock to win it. No, a lot to be nominated. One hundred percent. Yeah, I got to agree with. You on this. This is an overreaction. Oh, look, if the Academy Award nominations were going to be announced tomorrow, I would say the Odyssey is probably a lock to win all due respect to a couple of my other favorite movies of the year. Project Hail Mary, The Invite, which again, more of you guys have to watch The Invite. I think it's absolutely one of the best films of the year, but yeah, if it was today, sure, but guys like probably eight of the strongest contenders for Best Picture haven't even come out yet. Is there a really good shot that we could end up having another Christopher Nolan film winning Best Picture this year? Yeah, the Odyssey absolutely could. But at this point, when most of the big contenders haven't even and you haven't even seen them yet to call Odyssey a lock to win right now, I'm going to agree with Christian. I think that's premature and also a big overreaction. And all right, guys, that wraps up today's. Session of overreaction. Thank you so much to everybody who sent in your hot takes. Keep your guys eyes open on the community tab on the YouTube channel for the next time we put out a call for submissions. And maybe you'll see your hot take adjudicated here on the show. All right, guys, with that down, let's move on to this. You know, coming out of CinemaCon, one of the films that I was really fascinated by was this new Paul Greengrass film starring one of my favorites. Guys, Andrew Garfield called the uprising. It looked really good. And then a week or two before its release, they did this mind boggling decision to change the name of the movie, at least temporarily. to the uprising the rise of robin hood to which all of us went wait this is a robin hood movie what and then they dropped the title for it anyway i had a chance to go see the film and unfortunately i did not like the film very much you know despite the fact that i love paul greengrass i love andrew garfield it had some good elements to it was not a fan of the movie unfortunately well looks like i wasn't the only one as indy wire is reporting that the uprising absolutely bombed at the box office it did not even come in its opening weekend in the top five uh despite the last ditch scramble to market the film as a robin hood origin story the folks at indy wire wrote the following focus features abruptly changed its marketing campaign for paul greengrass's the uprising selling the gritty drama about the peasants revolt of 1381 as a robin hood origin story you -the gambit generated headlines but failed to pay off this weekend the uprising debuted to a paltry get this guys 3.25 million from 2 000 theaters uh that's an anemic result for a film that cost 20 million to produce and that's not even counting the marketing and when that stars andrew garfield an oscar nominee and the star of two spider-man films worse the film's b minus cinema score suggests word of mouth won't help the historic epic either all right so going into the film like i this is obviously wasn't going to be a huge blockbuster we could tell that kind of right away that this just didn't have the the dna of a big blockbuster it wasn't designed to be a big blockbuster but man it looked really good and listen i'm not sitting here saying so don't misunderstand me that if they hadn't suddenly done this weird marketing thing suddenly pretending it was a big blockbuster i'm not sitting here saying it was a robin hood movie that it would have done much better they didn't do a lot of marketing for the film the budget was only 20 million i don't think they spent any more than that on marketing so the marketing budget was pretty small for it as well it wasn't a huge amount of awareness but man were they thinking it was going to make more than three something million dollars i mean again to put this into perspective the odyssey on week nine made over seven million dollars on week nine and the one thing that they said in the article is unfortunately very true you see you can get some movies that may be open small but they get a really good positive word of mouth and maybe you can leg something out i i didn't like the film the cinema score tends to suggest the audiences didn't really like the movie either and spoiler alert but they never say the name robin hood i mean it's clearly when you get near the end of the film it's clearly oh he becomes robin hood but they never actually say it and it's not something that really happens until like the very very very end of the film but whether it was that marketing strategy faux pas or whether it was just they never kind of figured out how to market the movie or who their audience was going to be i was kind of surprised like you have cosmo jarvis in it and they never once kind of advertised him as being in it either it just kind of focused on andrew garfield and i understand that but i think it's kind of surprising because i think it's kind of surprising because i understand the appeal of that because andrew's great um but this is one of those situations where it's sad to see a movie do this badly but i can kind of understand why anyway i i still was a little bit shocked though christian to see how low it was like to not even come in the top five to not even make four million dollars on its opening weekend were you surprised to see the box office outcome for this and what do you think are the contributing factors like why was nobody interested in going out to see this movie well because it looks like it should have been a play in central park that's that's the first part um the second is that no one really knew what it was they didn't even know what it was like how do we sell it tell them it's a braveheart sequel they can't do that it's a different time no one's a shakespeare no one's gonna care about shakespeare we have robin hood tell them it's robin hood at the end we'll just do the tag at the end that's fine we'll just give it away and it's like they didn't really know what to do ahead of market it just goes back to the earlier thing what we were talking about where you know we're talking about the movie and we're talking about the movie and we're talking about the movie and we're talking about the movie and we're talking about the movie and we're talking about everybody loves andrew garfield everybody loves andrew garfield but the movie star doesn't sell the movie it's not it's it's it's not just because he's in it it's like okay if it's good and andrew garfield did it that's cool so like project hail mary it's a good movie ryan gosling's in it it's like the new star wars movie star wars movie ryan gosling's in it um but this no one cares and it's and ridley scott tried to do this already with a big budget movie in like the origin of of robin hood and leading into it with russell crowe back in the day nobody cared about that movie and that was a big huge movie that was so bad that movie was so bad yeah and so it's just like it's just it's i hate to say that you know the same type of thing for a lot of these movies but they're we're just living in a very different time where you can't take chances like this in the theater anymore i don't care if we get andrew garfield in your movie i understand what we got garfield we can release it in theaters well we can make at least more than three million opening weekend wrong um so it's like yeah i just think these are movies hey you're gonna do something like this give it a shout on one of the streaming platforms this will be you put a move this movie will do significantly better on streaming because someone like my dad what's this robin hood movie that's what they say that was terrible but i watched the whole thing and then it goes to the views um so i i think you just put it on streaming here's here's a question here's a question so i was very critical of the like one week before release the sudden changing of the title to sudden change of the title to sudden change of the title to sudden change of suddenly introducing the robin hood aspect of it right but let me ask this could this movie have benefited if just right from the beginning they like right at cinema con back in april all through it they marketed the film clearly as the uprising the rise of robin hood from a different history to the the name we all know and the background the story you never heard or like do you think it would have made any difference would that have made any difference yeah maybe but i mean a couple couple bucks or something in the same way that black adam benefited from continuously marking off a superman you know it's like it was like super like you're like okay superman's coming in and it put more butts in the seats but it didn't make it like it made it maybe a little bit that movie probably would have made a lot more than it probably would have without him but um this movie because the problem is like you said you said you said it was a movie that was a movie that was a movie that you saw it's not a robin until like it's not a good movie no and then at the very end of it if if you're selling a this is a robin hood movie from the get-go and it's not you it it's basically what ridley scott did this is a robin hood movie and this is not even robin hood until like the end of it you're like that's a jib i wanted to see uh i wanted to see you know russell crowe as robin hood and so if you don't get andrew garfield as like real robin hood marketing off it is just dishonest i think all right guys question is for you the new andrew garfield directed by the wonderful paul greengrass film the uprising and unfortunately it wasn't very good but man like nobody even gave it a shot to find out if it was good it made just over three million dollars not even in the top five in its opening weekend obviously 99 of you guys did not go to see it what kept you away from going to see it what why do you think so many people decided not to give this movie a shot anyway whatever you guys think jump down to the comment section below and let us know guys we want to take a second and thank a sponsor of today's video better help look guys we talk about mental health a lot around here and a lot more openly these days but actually raising your hand and asking for help it can still feel incredibly hard i mean we wouldn't hesitate to tell a friend it's good to talk to somebody but society still makes us think twice when it's our turn better help is working to bridge that gap they are the world's largest 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presentation for this thing man and it blew my mind i was like i am not even a hundred percent sure what this movie is but all i know is i've got to see it it just looks fantastic you've got an oscar-winning director involved you got tom cruise in there it just looks crazy and i can't have that big of an opening weekend unless you compare it to the uprising which is going to case is going to do great but right now box office pro saying in their long range forecasting, they're suggesting that it's only going to make 20 to 30 million on its opening weekend. Now that's interesting because if that holds up and if it really does only make 20 to 30 million on its opening weekend, which be right around where Practical Magic 2 made this weekend, it would be the lowest opening weekend for Tom Cruise in almost 10 years. If we go over and take a look at what the last five opening weekends have been for Tom Cruise movies, you had Mission Impossible, that final reckoning that made 64 million on its opening weekend. You had Dead Reckoning Park 1 that made 54 million on its opening weekend. Top Gun Maverick, of course, made 126 million on its opening weekend. Before that, you had Fallout that made 61 million. Then you got to go all the way back to 2017, nearly 10 years ago. For a good little bit of time, you've got to go back to 2017. By the way, American Made, I like this movie. I don't think it's one of Tom Cruise's best films, but I like American Made anyway. But American Made, again, only made $16.8 million. So you'd have to go all the way back to that. And for me, this is really kind of interesting because this movie to me looks spectacular. You have one of the best filmmakers of his generation directing it. It looks like this wonky Dr. Zhivago meets, I don't know, meets a Quentin Tarantino kind of psychedelic movie with Tom Cruise playing this larger than life sort of character. And he looks incredible in it. And I got to tell you guys, seeing that projections, when the numbers first came out and said, okay, early forecasting for opening box office projections for Digger, I was expecting 50 to 60. And maybe that's not the case. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But maybe it does do that because we're still a little ways out from it coming out. Maybe if they really start ramping up the marketing, it could get there. But I'll be honest with you, Christian. I'm kind of shocked that the numbers are this low because it's Cruise. I think the movie looks great. I don't know. Are you interested in the movie at all? Like maybe I'm kind of alone in that. And why do you think there doesn't seem to be more interest for something like this? What I'm interested in seeing it very much. So I think Cruise looks amazing in it and I love in Iran too. So I'm, I'm, I'm there. The answer to not shocked at all that this is tracking for the amount of money that it is because this is not a mass audience movie. All the other ones that you brought up mission impossible, top gun at minus like American made that you see it's lowest 16.8 because those aren't like those big, huge movies that we know Tom Cruise from. This is another Warner brothers movie and they did something similar. to this whole i'll be at different budgets with one battle after another one battle after another cost about 170 million dollars to me um there was no world where they were going to have enough people go out and see that in the theater where it was going to be profitable wasn't the intent the intent was to get it out there to get a lot of people to see it to get the oscar buzz on it and then they wind up winning the oscar they did everything that they needed to that was the goal this is the goal here in everything even the marketing for this movie in the beginning of it was going over the legacy of tom cruise before they even showed the trailer of the movie this is aiming to get tom cruise his performance nominated for an oscar so he is the talk of it he's at all the award ceremonies they're talking about the studio and warner brothers is playing with house money at this point you know like hey you know what let's let's put this out there paramount i'll take care of it later it's like let's they're they're they're putting the out there this is for an oscar nominations in general i don't think that they're intending to get maybe they thought they were going to get 50 million like okay we're attacking at 30 but if the reviews are good and the performance comes out that's what they're going for i i do go ahead jonathan i was just going to say quickly it kind of gives me poor things vibes in terms of like the kind of box office pool it's going to get opening weekend more of the art house kind of johnson's talking about the the emma stone film yes yeah yeah so i kind of feel like it might go in that direction i think that's how audio audiences are every time the trailer comes on at the theater and i'm here in in los angeles where they're going to be very movie friendly it still gets a lot of people like kind of like that well that looks kind of odd you know what i mean like they don't know what to make of it it's an oscar movie and and the thing is and you know the difference because poor things what did poor things cost 13 to make you know it's like the different the difference is that you and i love poor things i love it but it's just oh poor things is great i love i love that movie but it's but it's not the reason why even why you're brought this up john it's because tom cruise is the definition of a movie star so when you think of it you're like tom cruise doing only 30 or 40 million this is crazy it's not the intent for this movie yeah i i still i i think part of the surprise for me though is just because i think it looks so good yeah i think it looks really entertaining i think it looks really now look the movie i've said this before i'll say it again the movie i really want to see tom cruise doing is the les grossman movie like if i'm going to see him in a bunch of body makeup doing like an over-the-top kind of character i want to see him doing a standalone les grossman movie from tropic thunder that's what i want to see but still this kind of looks like it's in that vein and i thought the presentations we saw for it i thought were really funny and i don't know here's hoping that as we head into the home stretch for the release of the film that they really start ramping up the marketing get the awareness brazed up show some of the the the quirkiness of the film and maybe it'll have bigger numbers than this but anyway guys question is for you what do you think about this i mean this is shaping up to be the lowest opening for a tom cruise movie in nearly 10 years why do you think that is because i think the movie looks great maybe you don't think it looks all that great maybe i'm alone in that whatever you guys think jump down into the comments section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys that down let's move in and talk about this shall we well spider-man opened with a brand new opening weekend record with 360 million dollars and it has simply not slown down in its seventh week it's still number two first time bumped out of the number one spot and it's still number two at the box office but here's the key question a lot of people have been asking can it catch star wars the force awake ends for the highest grossing domestic film of all time it's not avatar it's not titanic it's not avengers it's star wars the force awakens at 936 million dollars and a couple of weeks ago i said it's got a shot i don't know if it'll get there we'll know probably better in a couple of weeks but it's got a shot well today it happens spider-man brand new day is going to make box office history and it is today going to be passing star wars the force awakens as if we as of right now as we take a look uh at what they wrote over at fiction horizon who wrote spider-man brand new day is getting closer and closer to one of the biggest box office milestones in movie history now it is only a few million dollars away today it's only one million dollars away uh from taking the domestic box office record away from stars force awakens what makes the run even more impressive is how quickly brand new day has reached this point the movie opened with an enormous 360.1 million dollar opening weekend immediately putting it on a different level from most superhero releases instead of seeing its numbers fall sharply after that opening the film continued to bring in strong crowds and stayed at number one domestically for six weekends in a row as i mentioned only now finally falling out of that spot after seven weeks so as of this moment of this recording this is what the highest grossing films list of all time looks like at number five is avatar with 785 million at number four is spider-man no way home at 814 at number three is avengers end game at 858 now currently as of this recording spider-man brand new day is at number two at 935 million star wars the force awakens at 936 million and today maybe even by the time you guys watch this broadcast spider-man brand new day is going to be the highest grossing film at the u.s and canadian box office of all time breaking a record guys that i kind of thought would never be broken i i honestly i never knew if 930 plus million dollars at the domestic box office was ever really going to be a number that could actually legitimately be broken and as of today that's what's happening spider-man is passing you know what i went to go i went back anne and i uh last week you know we went out to dinner and we're like oh let's do something it was like okay let's go see spider-man again and so we went to go speed up see spider-man again i think it was my fifth time seeing it you know what this movie is relentlessly delightful it's it's just such a fun true spider-man movie and the way they worked in now i i could see if you're a hard core frank castle punisher purist maybe some of it didn't work for you i get that but i thought the way they used frank in this movie was great i love the intro introduction of gene gray i loved how they used mj and ned i loved the way they followed up on the last spider-man movie but if you've never seen the last spider-man movie you still it still brought you up to speed really well it had great deep emotional moments like come on come on who didn't feel the punch in the nether regions when he's hugging mj after the kiss and she says that's right peter hold her it's like oh like come on like you had to feel that right or or when he's standing in the party and he sees mj kissing her her new boyfriend or even that scene near the end which you know if you haven't seen the movie by now you're not interested in it clearly but as gene is in his memories and she's talking to aunt may and that moment and the tears come out of her eyes like it's emotionally satisfying action one it's thrilling it has the charm fun and humor of a spider-man film um i just thought it was absolutely phenomenal i think it's the best of the disney era of the uh sony marvel tom holland era spider-man live action films i just had a great time with it and the legs on it the legs on it have just been crazy and again even now in its seventh week it's number two at the box office and it just it's obviously not going to catch avatar it's obviously not going to catch end game but domestically um this is a huge number christian i mean this this is again i thought this is a record we're talking about now that there was a part of me that kind of thought maybe doesn't get broken much like the opening weekend box office record was one i low-key thought may never be broken spider-man did that one and now it's done this one to uh put this into perspective for us historically and i think it's going to be a lot of fun and i think it's going to be a lot of fun historically how big of a deal is this and what does this do for the legacy of the film moving forward do you think oh man as far as historically i mean i remember back in the day on um when we were on um movie talk together and we were talking about how force awakens was set to do something pretty special because it was the first star wars movies in the theater since 1983 yeah so we're so that one we started to set up going okay this could break some records because so many people are excited about it and the hype behind it this could do some big things this was a movie that everyone thought would do well and do really well because it's spider-man and it historically has done very well but these kinds of numbers and to do it domestically means that and especially in a time 2015 as we're talking about with force awakens was a very different time for movies where people were still running into the theater to see movies forever for everything i mean i think they even had like sisters or something was that was what was combating it then i would tina fey and uh and amy poehler right and like those things were they were just there and they were just there and they were just there and there were a lot of those types of movies and that were just out there and those movies did and that movie did well and people were just going to the theater we're not in that time anymore clearly there are movies that people will see in the theater whether it's obsession or back rooms or or you know things like this um but it's hard to get people to keep going back and back and back to watch a movie in the theater you just said you saw it five times you're not the first person to say that and you're clearly not the first person to do that because you can't hit that number without repeat viewing you have to right and and then you're that's what kept happening here because people kept wanting to go through that again and get that feeling of what they loved about the spider-man movies the marvel cinematic universe in general so um i do think i think it'll be tough in the same way that we talk about how if endgame re-release does 200 million overall overall it beats it becomes the first three billion dollar movie but there's still a potential world that depending on how good that does that that could beat spider-man well right now if i'm not mistaken i think they're projecting endgame encore is going to have an opening weekend of 20 million okay well then it's not going to come close to it but as far as like but it's just if you do other if you how long is it in the theater for that i guess yeah i guess the movie will dictate that yeah because there's a couple other releases that re-releases that come out that have been in the between the 100 and 200 million dollar range i can't remember what it was in general so i'm just curious about as far as that but that's worldwide it's gonna be very hard to to beat this in general but i think that the only i say the only record that i don't think is ever getting broken is joe dimaggio's history right other than that anything can be broken uh all right guys the question is for you uh as of today spider-man they may not officially announce it till tomorrow or wednesday but today is when it crosses that threshold and beats out star wars the force awakens to become the number one domestic box office film in the world in history over avatar over avengers films over star wars the force awakens spider-man has broken one last big box office milestone maybe like christian's alluding to maybe avengers endgame encore leapfrogs it again maybe that happens but we'll have to wait and see whatever you guys think about this jump down to the comment section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys with that down it's now time for us to move on to the most important part of our show of course which is taking your live comments and questions just so you guys know i have turned off the super chats because you guys completely filled them up even before the show started uh but we do have all your questions there we're going to get to those in just a second but before we do we have two things we need to do the first thing of course has been good afternoon to the guys who have joined me here today first of all of course our technical producer par excellence jonathan voyko jonathan thank you so much for being here see you guys later and of course christian harloff now before i let you go christian uh you also have i mentioned this the last time you were on as well uh you've got this really exciting project going on that you're working on september 22nd is a very big date uh tell people what you're working on and what's coming up thank you for asking yeah it is really the big one of the biggest things i've ever done in my life um i wrote a half an hour comedy pilot with my um my writing partner and co-star martini paratori we were lucky enough to get uh with my co-star martini paratori we were lucky enough to get uh andrew freed who is the uh a producer on welcome to wrexham chef's table uh that recent charlie chef's table uh that recent charlie chef's table uh that recent charlie sheen doc that came out sheen doc that came out sheen doc that came out and um we are we're looking to really push and um we are we're looking to really push and um we are we're looking to really push to to do this inside to to do this inside to to do this inside we were inspired by i mentioned obsession we were inspired by i mentioned obsession we were inspired by i mentioned obsession or mentioned um you know um back rooms i or mentioned um you know um back rooms i mentioned all these uh with the markiplier movie all these things that have happened and watching how different things are and we want to take that shot with with television and we're really proud of it we have about between five and six seasons kind of mapped out we really uh want people to feel like it's their show as well and kind of like basically lock arms together say we get to decide what we want to make and i've also been using the the guild as an example too to see what they did um and and we were looking to really make it happen so it's september 22nd you can follow the campaign now we're trying to get to around you know anywhere between three to five thousand pre-followers before we launch and that would be amazing you guys could do it all right thanks a lot for being here again christian and uh we were gonna keep our eyes and keep talking about trending thanks so looking forward to it all right guys make sure you go check that out and start following the kickstarter on that one with christian okay and thank you to our friends at mod for sponsoring today's episode of the john campia show okay guys with that all down let's now get over to the important stuff and start taking your live comments and questions here shall we as i said normally we have the super chats open at least for a lot of the show but you guys filled up the super chats before we even started the show so they are currently closed but let's get into all the super chats you guys sent in right before we started shall we're going to start off with yakov who wrote um how slash when will we get secret wars cast announced also correct me if i'm wrong but the only people confirmed right now is robert downey jr sadie sink and no you uh i think that's true i i think that's true about who's already been confirmed i'm not 100 sure anyway honestly when are we going to get the casting announcement for secret wars honestly who cares uh i mean i i can't wait for secret wars i'm super excited about it but i mean the movie is still a year and a half away or close to a year and a half away and i think if they made a lot of official casting announcements right now like if they did a chair watch too right now for a movie that again is still like 16 months away um i mean that could even just giving announcements right now for that could be considered spoilers for what happens in doomsday you know what i think the answer is actually a lot like the question that came up earlier about the james bond stuff is that i don't think they're going to do a lot of announcing who james bond is i mean they might but i don't think they're going to make that announcement until after dune 3 is out because i think denise villeneuve wants to keep the attention there it could happen it could happen but i wouldn't expect it i don't think we should expect to see a lot of exhaustive secret wars casting announcements until at least opening day or after opening weekend of avengers doomsday after that sure but even then the movie's still a year away so i think we're looking at waiting till about then to see it but who knows it could happen any day we'll find out all right next up isaac sanchez writes i hope you had a nice week off i did uh did you get a chance to see the new godzilla minus zero trailer i did it looks great it i mean it it looks really really wonderful um i again i I don't know how many people are going to see it. Hopefully the success of the last one, which also not a lot of people actually went to go see, hopefully the success of that one will compound and build on this one. But right now I think it looks really good. I'm excited to see it. All right. Next up, we got Cutter Halo writes, welcome back, John. Thank you so much. Do you find it concerning that Digger comes out in two weeks and tickets are still not on sale? Is thought they'd be out by now. Why, why would that be concerning? Like, again, let me put it this way, Cutter. How does that suggest anything? Like if the movie's bad, wouldn't they be even putting more energy into marketing it and more trying to get people to see it open a weekend and more? I, I really don't think when the tickets go on sale, same way that I don't think when a trailer drops is anything to be worried about. This is one of the funny things for a year. This goes all the way back to the movie blog days. Like this is going back 15 years. Like, should we be concerned? Like the movie's still six months away. Should we be concerned that the trailer hasn't come out? What, what's there to be concerned about? The trailer not coming out right now is neither a good, bad or indifferent sign. It doesn't mean anything that except that they haven't started the marketing yet. Quite often a studio, if they think they got a stinker on their hands, they'll do it. They'll do it. They'll do it. They'll do it. Double down on the marketing to really push the marketing, to get as many people they're opening weekend before bad where the mouth starts getting out. So them putting tickets on sale now tomorrow last week, I mean, is interesting strategically, but at the end of the day, it doesn't sit, it honestly cutter doesn't suggest anything about whether it's encouraging or concerning like at all. So no, I don't, I don't think it's concerning that they haven't put the tickets on sale. Two weeks out. All right. Thanks a lot for that cutter. Next up. Uh, we got Jake who writes if Supergirl were good, would it still have flopped? That is a great question. I mean, look, I always said like Supergirl is a B level derivative character. It was never going to be massive. I mean, of course, like any movie coming out, it has a shot, has a shot to be massive, I guess, just like any movie. But I mean, really, again, it's Supergirl. It's a derivative character and a B list derivative character at that. It was never going to be huge. I just only wanted it to be good. And unfortunately it didn't even do that. It wasn't even a good movie. Had it been good? No, I don't think it would have flopped. I also don't think it would have been a $600 million movie, but I don't think it would have flopped. If the word of mouth had been good, if the movie myself would have gone to see it more than once, but I didn't want to subject myself to it again because it's not a good movie. Um, so number one, if it had been good, I would have gone back to see more than once. And if I would have gone back to see more than once, I'm sure there's a lot of other people that would have gone back to see more than once. If the movie had been good, I would have been on my show and you would have been in your social circles telling other people they should go see it again. Is that the difference between what it made and being a six or seven hundred million dollar film? No, but could it have made enough to more than break even? Yeah. If the movie had been good enough, it could have done that, but it didn't deserve it because it unfortunately wasn't a good movie. All right. Good question, Jake. Next up, Chef Rigo writes in well, well, well, the NFL is back and my Dallas Cowboys have taken an L. Oh joy. I knew John Harbaugh coaching in our division was going to be a problem, dude. You know, it's funny about the Dallas Cowboys. There's no team I love to hate on more than the Dallas Cowboys. But the funny thing is, you might've heard me say this before. The funny thing is I actually like a lot of guys. Like I really like Dak Prescott. I really do. I like, uh, lamb. I lie. I mean, I, I like a lot of the offense. I like a number of the players on the defense. It's too bad. They, I don't know how they let Micah Parsons get away, but whatever. I actually like a lot of people on the team. I think it's just the owner that I really dislike. But anyway, man, you lost your opening game to a team that only won four games last year. Yeah, not good. But, but then again, the LA Rams got their asses spanked too. And there were people saying they're going to go undefeated. I never thought that, but yeah, but I am glad I am very glad that football is back. My friend. All right. Next up, Dakota Hanson sends in a $50 super chat. Dear goodness, Dakota. Thank you so much, man. That's incredibly generous of you. Thank you for supporting our channel on that level. And Dakota writes, uh, Hey John, your show has helped me get past a serious two year depression off. I love hearing that. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. Thank you for what you do. My question is I've been given an opportunity to turn a book I wrote into an audio drama. Nice. And we'll be directing it for the first time. Any advice? I would say this, especially with, if it's an audio drama in podcast form, whatever terminology you want to use, take your time with it. Take your time. Like it offers you so much flexibility with it being in the audio format to just really take your time. But also big thing when it's done, be done. Don't if you force yourself to always constantly after six months, keep trying to find ways to improve it. It's never going to be finished, right? Take your time, but then when it's done, it's done and it's move on. And I think that's awesome. Congratulations on that. I hope it's a great experience. For you, uh, Dakota. And again, thank you so much for supporting us on that level. And thank you for sharing that first part. It really means a lot to me that, uh, the show and the community here and everybody who's in the live chat right now can, uh, can be there for you when, when life is less than fun. So I'm really glad for that. And thank you for sharing that with us, Dakota. I really appreciate that. All right, next up, uh, harsh rights. If man of steel is your most underrated comic book movie, then which is the most overrated comic book movie for you and why? And welcome back. Bring on the filthy. Um, okay. You know what? I that's what I'd have to think about. So I'll say this one off the top of my head, but don't hold me to it because if I think about it, I'm sure I'd come up with one or two others, Avengers end game. I think it's one of the most overrated comic book films. Now, before everybody starts, jumping, jumping, jumping, jumping. off buildings, remember overrated does not mean bad. You guys know, I really like Avengers end game. I think it's a really good movie. It's got some of the best pure in theater moments I've ever had with any movie ever. I think it's a very good film, but I don't think it should be in the conversation of the greatest comic book film of all time. I think it's a very good movie, but I don't think it's one of the top four or five best comic book movies ever made. And that's often where a lot of people put it. And since a lot of people put it in there and I personally don't think it deserves to be in there, then for me, it's a little overrated, even though it's really good. And unfortunately, a lot of people equate overrated with bad and it's not, I really liked the film a lot, but I think it gets a little too much flowers for what it is. But again, if I gave more, more thought to it, I could probably, I'll probably come up with two or three other movies that I'd put above that as more overrated, but that's just the one that's off the top of my head. Good question though, man. Interesting question. All right, next up we got Mike who writes, Hey, John and crew, I visited my birth country of Lebanon recently and went through a harrowing experience there. Your show kept me grounded and eased my anxiety. Oh, I'm glad to hear that. I've been watching for years. You're awesome. Oh, thank you, dude. And you know what? That reminds me, uh, many of you guys know I'm Italian. Um, I'm, I'm Canadian obviously, but, but my heritage is Italian. My dad and my grandparents all came over on the boat and I have never been to Italy. My wife has been to Italy three times. I've never been to Italy. Despite the fact that I'm from my, my family heritage is Calabria. My dad came over from there. I was raised by the Italian side of my family. My actual real name is Giovanni. I was named after my, my no, no. Um, and yet I've never been to Italy. So I'm, I'm really kind of jealous that you had a chance to go back to your birth country, even though I wasn't born in Italy, but that's my heritage. I want to go there. I want to visit there. And I'm really, really glad you had the opportunity to do that, man. Thanks for sharing that Mike. Appreciate that, man. All right, next up we've got Christopher Brickner writes the fourth Brendan Fraser mummy film, uh, film is now filming. I heard that by the way, did you guys see the images of like, they came out a number of weeks ago, but some images came out of Brendan Fraser. Cause we like, look, look, Brendan Fraser won an Oscar. He's a tremendous talent. Love them. I don't care what body size he's at, but when they said that they were going to make another mummy film with them, we all kind of had the same thought. I'm sure Brendan did too of he's going to have to get himself back into fighting shape. It's one thing to do some of the movies he's been doing, but to come back and do an action adventure film, like another mummy film, it's going to have to get him back in shape. And you know what? I don't know if you guys saw those pictures you put out a while ago. he looks really good. So I'm going to, I'm going to be really excited to see this movie when it does come out. All right, next up, rejecter rights. John can't be a born again. Welcome back, Mr. JC. I appreciate that. We were only off the air for a week. Come on. I wasn't gone long, but thank you for that, man. I appreciate that. All right. Johnny got lost rights. Uh, thoughts on gorilla Grodd photos as a DC fan. I love them. I'll tell you what my, I totally made a one 80 on my thoughts about this gorilla Grodd project, because you guys who watch the show know for a long time, I was like, why the hell are we getting a third Jimmy Olsen thing before we even get Batman in the DC universe? Like a Jimmy Olsen and gorilla Grodd thing. This sounds ridiculous, right? That was me for a month or two. Then they announced that the guys who made American Vandal, which is one of the funniest things Netflix has had in a long time. If you haven't watched American Vandal, you should totally go watch American Vandal. So funny. So the guys who made American Vandal are doing an American Vandal style, true crime podcast, bio thing. In a world where gorilla, gorilla Grodd was convicted for a murder that one reporter, Jimmy Olsen thinks he was wrongfully convicted of and is now, this is documenting, documenting his pursuit of the truth of what really happened to gorilla Grodd. I immediately completely changed my mind about it because I love American Vandal. And to me, if they can pull this off and it's going to be tricky, but if they can pull off, that American Vandal style in the DC universe with a couple of characters like Jimmy Olsen and gorilla Grodd, this could be really great. It could also be a disaster. Comedies can go very bad, very quickly. Just look at She-Hulk, right? But I am now very excited for it. And I'm with you. I saw the pictures and I actually really liked the pictures. Understanding what the project is. Like it's not supposed to be the dark night. It's not supposed to be the penguin. If it was, those pictures are stupid, but in the context of understanding, they're making an American Vandal. It looks awesome. So I'm, I'm excited for it. So we'll see how it goes. All right. Isaac Martinez writes any thoughts on the Korean movie? Hope I haven't seen it. I've seen some good responses to it so far. I am looking forward to watching, but since I haven't seen, I don't really have any thoughts on it yet. Myself, Isaac. All right. Uh, the refugee gene also sends in a hundred, a $50 super chat. Thank you. Refugeen. Appreciate that, dude. Thank you for the support. And refugee gene writes, Hey, John, just wanted to show support. Thank you for all you do. I discovered you guys within the last few years, but look forward to your show every day. Thank you so much for that. Uh, you don't owe anyone anything, uh, doing what you love and want is an inspiration. Thank you all. Well, thank you for that, dude. That, that means a lot. And you know, one of the reasons I love, I enjoy doing, what I do. And one of the main reasons why we do the show live. I mean, it is a thousand times easier. Like if I was smart, I would do what everybody else does, which is not do my videos live. I would just pre-record them, edit them. So you can make it sound like, you know, you always know all the answers to everything. You know exactly what you're talking about and you can like script out what you're doing and make it more well-presented blah, blah, blah. If I was smart, I would do it that way. Um, instead I do it live, which means, uh, you can have brain freezes. You can say the wrong thing sometimes, all that kind of stuff, but that's part of the nature and one of the risks of doing it live. But I love the interaction with our community. I love following along with the live chat in the community. I love being able to turn to you guys saying, guys, what was the name of the actor who played such and such and such and such, and have you guys being able to contribute in? I love seeing somebody in live chat, asking a question, then seeing 10 people in the live chat, provide the answer and the community being a community. It's one of the main reasons why I really love doing the show and doing the show live. And, uh, so thank you to all you guys for that. And thank you for the kind words, refugee, and thank you for the support, man. I appreciate that. All right, next up Hayden. By the way, that's not to say I'll never do the show pre-recorded or stuff like that. Maybe it'll come a time. Will that make where that would make more sense? But the reason I do it when clearly the smart thing is to do it pre-recorded is just because I love the community interaction. All right. Hayden writes just read whale fall. Didn't expect it to be so emotional. First time a book made me cry. Neat, powerful stuff. Pump for the movie. Now glad you're back. Now, again, I have not read whale fall. I just know that nothing shocked me at cinema con this past April as the whale fall presentation did. And I remember we did our live stream after the studio presentation. And we were like, guys, guys, guys, whale, holy crap. I am never getting in the ocean again. Nope, never. I'm not even a hundred percent sure I'm going to get in my own pool again. That's how much that presentation of whale fall freaked me out. And yeah, I've heard a lot of people who've read the book really love it. Of course, I have a rule. I won't read the book prior to seeing a movie because I want the movie to be my first experience. And I don't judge the movie based on the book. I want to judge the movie on its own merits, but, uh, I cannot wait for whale fall. I cannot wait. All right. Uh, uh, receding rights, uh, saw an old Nissan Vanette painted like iron high today. RIP Mr. Cullen, you know, iron hide was one of my favorite autobots. Um, and one of optimists is most trusted lieutenants, but also voiced by Peter Cullen. Uh, he did the voice. So it was, I remember being younger. And when I first found out that Peter Cullen did the voices of both iron hide and optimist, it's just Peter Cullen talking back and forth to himself. Yep. And then that abomination transformers animated movie come out and killed iron hide along with everybody else in the first five minutes of the movie. Also, they could sell more toys. I've never forgiven Hasbro for that. All right. I mean, rights one of two, my quick review of I play Rocky from a TIF that's the Toronto international film festival. Uh, it's excellent. An underdog story, mirroring cinema's ultimate underdog, Anthony, it Polly, you do. I, oh, I'm sure I'm just pronouncing name is the standout completely disappearing into Stallone. Um, filled with sharp humor, heart and fist pumping beats. A great reminder of what happens when you bet on yourself. I think audiences will love it. And Rocky diehards will devour it. Tell you what, when I first heard they were doing this, I am Rocky. Which is the story of Sylvester Stallone and his journey to get Rocky made and to get himself put into the movie as Rocky. I thought, well, that sounds like a dumb idea. And then they showed us the presentation at cinema con and I immediately changed my mind. It's it's, it's amazing. The power of a good trailer, a good trailer can change everything. Which is part of the reason I made a documentary about trailers, but, um, I like that, that one trailer moved me from going, this is a dumb idea for a movie to, oh my God, this is probably one of the top 10 most anticipated movies of the year. Now for me, I cannot wait to watch it. And it looks great. I'm hearing good things about it. I'm not hearing best picture contender stuff coming out of TIFF about it, but I'm hearing good things about it. So I'm looking forward to seeing it too. I mean, thanks for sharing your thoughts on it, man. Appreciate that. All right. Next up KW Garrett sends in a $20 super chat. Thank you. KW KW writes. I finally saw a brand new day recently. I applaud the film's mature tone and bold narrative choices, but I set my expectations too high. Climax was man. I really liked the climax myself. To me, I was bored at times film felt bloated. Clearly I'm in the minority, but you know what? Here's the thing. Movies are pieces of art and art is subjective. Art hits us all in different ways. Like a painting on a wall hits one personally different than it hits another person looking at it. A piece of music will hit one person in a way that it hits another person differently. Neither is right or wrong. It's just art. And it's how does it make you feel for me and a lot of other people, Spider-Man delivered on all that. That doesn't mean it's going to do it for everybody. And if it didn't work as well for you, you may be in the minority, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. I mean, that was your experience with the movie. That's the experience the movie delivered for you. And that's the great thing about art. So yeah, maybe you're a bit in the minority and that's okay. I'm in the minority on a bunch of films too. Like I said, I don't like the original Halloween. I don't think it holds up. Um, I don't like the original blade runner when everybody else does and that's okay. So, uh, yeah. I'm glad you saw it, but if it's not for you, it's not for you. And there's nothing for you to be a part of. apologizing for about that anyway thanks for sharing your thoughts on that kw and thank you so much for supporting us on that level appreciate that man all right next up uh draco writes glad to see you back missed watching your show i've been watching since amc movie talk today marks the fifth anniversary of venom let there be carnage really has it been five years wow you know what by the way i'm going to be introducing a new segment on the show where um it's going to be done four times in a month so every month i think starting this month we're going to do as a segment on one of the shows the movie celebrating their fifth anniversary in september then on another episode we'll do the movie celebrating 10 years in september another episode we'll do the movie celebrating 15 years in september and in another episode we'll be doing the movie celebrating their 20th anniversaries in september and then we'll do that every month at least that's i think we're going to start doing that so i did not know or realize that uh let there be cards you know what i think let there be carnage is a little underrated i don't think it's as good as the first venom movie let's be clear i don't think it's as good as the first venom movie um it's certainly better than the third venom movie i didn't i didn't love the third venom movie but i thought i thought let there be carnage was actually pretty good i don't think it was great again i i think the first one is the best one of the venom films but i i actually liked it and i thought for a pg-13 movie that was a seriously violent film there are a lot of guys he straight up murders that carnage murders in that movie um they just didn't show blood spilling but a lot of people died and they didn't show blood spilling and they i like the film i do i think it's a little bit underrated again i don't think it's great but i think it's a little bit underrated all right next up uh we already had a mean now we got to uh panther's rule rights love the casting of asa german as angel for x-men yeah for those you don't know and the only real thing i know him from was of course he was in gen v right he's the guy who's a little bit unbalanced in gen v that he saw things in puppet thing like he's super powerful but sees everything in in puppet things and his mind talks to him through the puppet stuff loved him in gen v he was also in the last scream movie which is one of the three worst films ever made in history but that wasn't his fault i think he's a very interesting choice for angel it's going to be interesting to see how they kind of approach the character moving forward all right next up uh kal-el sends in a 100 super chat um thank you kal-el that's remarkably generous of you thank you dude uh so much for that uh let's get to seeing what kal-el wrote kal-el wrote uh john back in 2017 i wanted to do movies slash tv show reviews but i couldn't get myself past being on camera i mentioned it to a co-worker he mentioned you i've been watching you guys ever since oh thank you man i get the feeling i'm not the only one who feels the same way oh thank you for that you know i one of the really amazing things about doing what i do is is when i hear from people like yourself and others who have been watching the show or my various iterations of the show again whether it was movie blog movie blog audio edition um amc four-year consideration the collider movie talk the john campion show when i hear from people who've literally been watching for an entire era of their lives you know like somebody who started watching me in high school and they just graduated college i've met several people said john i started watching you my my first year of college i we just celebrated the birth of our third child or something like that right and i'm like oh my god i'm so happy to be here and i'm so happy to be here and i'm so or i remember this one this one this this is one that really whoo this is one that really got me i remember being at one of our movie meetups and this guy comes up to me and says you know john i found your show just after my son was born uh i was a new parent my son was just a few months old and i started listening to your show and all that kind of stuff and he said and then he goes and i brought my son along with me and this kid was a full-grown man the kid was like 15 or 16 but i mean he was a big kid it's like it was a man and i'm looking at this kid i'm like you you started watching and listening when this kid was born that one made me feel that one made me feel it that one made me feel it a little bit not gonna lie anyway uh cal thank you so much for sharing those thoughts and thank you so much for the kind words and and again thank you so much for the support we really appreciate around here so thank you so much for that man i appreciate it all right next up we got robert presser who writes my tinfoil hat theory for secret wars is one of the fox x-men characters gets carried over into the mcu if you had to pick one who would it be um all right it's not going to be this but if it were going to be if there was going to be one and i don't think there is at all just being clear if there was going to be one classic era fox x-men character actor character because not just character being played by a new actor but like one actor who played a role in the classic fox x-men movies in the fox era that is actually going to be brought over if it was going to be one it would probably be hugh jackman it would probably be hugh jackman which i mean kind of in a way they've already done that right but they're going to be restarting all the x-men um obviously deadpool but deadpool wasn't part of the classic fox era x-men stuff anyway so that that's a different thing so we'll see deadpool pop up in but not not in a deadpool 4 we'll see deadpool pop up in some uh kind of uh collective movie stuff like that but i'm not sure if it's going to be a deadpool 4 but i'm sure it's going to be like that an ensemble movie sort of thing but if they were going to bring over any one of them i think it would probably be hugh jackman but again i don't think they are i think all the x-men post secret wars in the new um the new era post what did what did uh uh kevin feige call it the multiverse era after we get past the the multiverse saga i think it's going to be all fresh brand new x-men but if there was going to be one and there's not but if there was it would it would probably be hugh jackman that would be the one you'd probably want to do all right thanks for that robert sam writes it's been bugging me where i know the lantern sinestro actor actor from i finally figured it out he was the main antagonist in banshee with anthony star you know that would make sense why i didn't recognize him at all because despite the fact that i've had a lot of you guys telling me i should check out banshee because i love anthony star as homelander and the boys i have never gotten around to checking out banshee so that would if that's where you most know him from that would probably explain why i never recognize him at all by the way we'll talk about lanterns later tonight for those you missed it i i did announce this earlier we are going to do our lanterns post game show tonight um about three and a half hours from now is when we're going to do it at five o'clock los angeles time but i'll just say this now without going into anything that we talked about last night or that anything that happened in the show last night that episode ended last night and i had to remind myself there's still three episodes to go like that kind of felt like a still three episodes to go which is kind of crazy anyway very excited for us to uh talk more about lanterns tonight on the lanterns post game show i hope you guys will come and join us for that all right uh next up we've got alex von golem who writes welcome back geo thank you man saw the oasis documentary it was awesome a reflection on how music unites slash heals us and on forgiveness what's your favorite oasis song mine is champagne supernova i'm gonna be honest with you i'm not a huge oasis guy don't get me wrong i'm not saying they're overrated or i don't like them i'm just yeah there's a bunch of songs there like i mean obviously wonderful is probably the biggest one that's probably the one that's my my my uh my favorite of theirs and i like a number of their songs i'm just not a huge oasis guy like a lot of people are but yeah i would have to probably say wonderful yeah wonderful would be probably my favorite oasis song all right thank you for that alex next up dildar the glorious writes what's the worst show slash movie you've seen that had one of the best concepts ever that's, that's something I don't know off the top of my head. I would have to think about that. I don't know that off the top of my head. I'll say one, this isn't the answer. Cause I'm sure if I had time to sit and think about it, I could come up with five or six others, but the movie with Kate Beckinsale and Michael Sheen underworld. Now I like underworld. I do. But it is one of the best mythologies and concept for a movie idea and a movie universe I have ever seen. The idea of an ancient war between vampires and werewolves. And then this part, I love this part, the idea of this mythology they created of, there are three werewolves. And then this part, I love this part, the idea of this mythology they created of, there are three