‘Speed’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network where you can find the big picture with Sean Fennessey yes sir Flops draft this month yeah what do you think you want in is it did it happen yet no I never get invited to the movie draft Flops draft of course I want in you were just on a draft I want to be on the Flops draft did we not talk about the Flops draft no you're invited as well August 25th Flops draft yeah I thought it would be a good idea great idea yeah any movie what's the threshold is it sub 30 million dollars sub 50 million dollars at the box office we got to figure it out I like how you were like hype involved yeah sub 50% on Rotten Tomatoes you know like what is a flop how do we define it I can't wait to talk about it thanks for the invite you're welcome hey thanks for the invite I appreciate it of course CR yeah much like the people were trapped on the bus in Speed you were trapped with Adam Friedland for six weeks you escaped you're back it was a wonderful bus ride around Los Angeles with Adam talking soccer you were going 50 miles an hour the whole time that's right and you're doing some some Thrones is that done yet Thrones ends Sunday the 9th so by the time people hear this we'll be done are we in the 1300s yet or no 1200s yeah you know King Henry just came came into this picture we're excited about some changes he's going to make with dragons the Vikings aren't in though no alright we are going to do maybe the greatest action movie of all time Speed is next this episode of the Rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny only in theaters August 21st our guy Jason Statham stars in Mutiny the new action thriller from the director of Plane I like that movie when an international conspiracy turns deadly that always happens Statham goes off the grid on a one man mission I love one man missions to take down those responsible and if you're a fan of the beekeeper the bag or the expendables guilty this is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in you've sold me one of the defining action stars of the last 25 years doing what he does best I agree with that think Die Hard on a boat that sounds great Mutiny only in theaters August 21st rated R for strong bloody violence in language there you go for adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms every choice matters Tramphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start Tramphia is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks if your doctor decides that you can self-inject Tramphia proper training is required Tramphia is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis serious allergic reactions increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them and liver problems may occur before treatment get checked for infections and tuberculosis tell your doctor if you have an infection flu-like symptoms or need a vaccine explore what's possible ask your doctor about Tramphia today call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit TramphiaRadio.com you already did a Rewatchables episode on speed in 2017 now you have more categories what do you do? what do you do? yeah we did this movie nine years ago fuck it it's the re-speed I told Eileen that we were doing this and she said no you guys did that already and I was like I've never done a podcast about speed I love speed I was so excited to get the text from Bill about speed and then she was like no I know that this happened because I listened to this episode and loved it but it was almost 10 years ago that that podcast happened who was on that pod? it was Donny Kwok Concepcion and Shay it was one hour four people and we had like four categories it was one of the first 10 we ever did that's amazing was I on it? no you weren't on it I think you were salty that you weren't on it actually I think we had some rare chemistry issues you and me? there was a trade demand wow and then you came and put the rings on the table yeah you demanded we trade it at SB Nation and we calmed it down I was going to say PFT for CR straight up who says no? I texted you guys we were all texting about it Craig is this your favorite one we've done? love this fucking movie yeah this is like when we do film school and it's like let's learn about Citizen Kane Kubrick like this should be an entire not only a class but you could do a semester on why speed is the perfect action movie because I think it's a good movie the art of blockbuster filmmaking I think that should be a class this movie has very specific goals and it achieves all of them and it doesn't rest for really a split second there's not there's one scene where people are standing still which one is that? when Jack gets his medal and then they go to the bar that is the only scene where somebody is not running walking very quickly on their way somewhere a vehicle is moving somebody is falling somebody is running and that seems good because it ends with Jack going I'm going to go have sex you know what I mean? I'm going to go have some sex yeah this is the definition of a rewatchable it's been on for 32 straight years I remember seeing it in the theater it could be on TNT it could be on real cable it's scary but it's not too scary it's really fun to nitpick I couldn't believe how many nitpicks I had I have so many nitpicks I think I have 15 nitpicks but they're all out of love yeah I think it's okay for a movie like this to have some plot flaws because it's fucking absurd it's a movie with a lot of plot flaws it's a movie about a domestic terrorist who's putting bombs under buses right I'll also forgive any nitpicks or flaws this movie has because if you tried to make it today it would cost 1.3 billion dollars because they use the actual 105 freeway they shoot an anamorphic all over Los Angeles blowing shit up like there is no movie industry world in which this is not being shot in Romania now and using a ton of CGI right we need more movies where buses drive into private jobs and explode on screen like that what happened to this country they're like Christopher Nolan man nobody does it I'm like yeah I did this already for 31 million dollars it's funny because it was Die Hard on a bus yeah Die Hard's 88 they're ripping off Die Hard right after and they do this is Under Siege really the first rip off no they're Pasture 57 Under Siege 1 and 2 yeah Sudden Death is being made with our guy Jean-Claude but they did a whole bunch of them Cliffhanger Cliffhanger's another one Die Hard on a Mountain yeah so nobody wanted to be in this and now you look at it they say fuck it they do it they basically Keanu is not the first choice Sandy Bullock's been floating around has made it DeBond's never directed a movie so they do this and for the next three decades everyone rips this movie off I feel like this movie's been ripped off almost as many times as Die Hard at least where it's like let's let's try it it's really fast and it moves like speed yeah but nobody's pulled it off the vibe of it for sure I feel like people are trying to they're chasing the high of this movie which I still don't totally know how they what they did what the chemistry was and a lot of this I have a lot of bias because I was 12 when this movie came out and I saw it in theaters too and I was like holy shit when I got out of the movie but I think it was true for most people I mean this was like a great word of mouth hit people loved this movie well I was doing nothing in 1994 like I didn't have a lack going on for those three years even I knew they moved the movie up yeah it was like it was and I don't know how I would have known that other than reading like magazines because we didn't have the internet but it was like this movie's so good they fucking moved it up and it ends up going a week before the OJ chase which is just you know the most bizarre wrinkle just in general this movie comes out a week later OJ's on the car chase and you're watching it through the prism of like I've never I'm in Boston I've never spent this much time with LA freeways in my life yeah I mean it makes Los Angeles seem like a like reasonable place to navigate driving wise weirdly like I mean like they're almost surprised that there's traffic on the 10 in the morning they're like oh no I'm gonna be late for work yeah but it's like it made it was still a time that was like nitpick number 16 well the three of us grew up on the east coast and we spent most of our life up until you know 30 I don't know when did you move out here how old were you 32 how much time did you spend out here I only knew LA through Beverly Hills Cop that's how I I mean Beverly Hills Cop this movie and 90210 yeah it's like Die Hard Speed Beverly Hills Cop Beverly Hills 90210 like your idea of what Los Angeles is like and speed is kind of different because I don't know like Jack and Annie are like regular everyday people kind of even though they have extraordinary things happen to them I mean Jack I guess extraordinary shit happens to them all the time but yeah did this movie make you almost like sad that this wasn't the LA we moved to like 90s LA like the vibe of it and you could feel it in the old 90210 reruns too where it just seems like you could move around better than now like even at the end they go from they save the bus at the end but then they have to go all the way downtown for the money drop and it's like tome 30 minutes and 24 minutes later they're all downtown I was like that would be like an hour and a half now to go from the airport to downtown LA I always wonder if that's just like movie magic you know we always joke about that with Collateral where they're like where they're getting across town so quickly. if it actually was like half the amount of people lived here, was that actually the case? I mean, that's like when you read, there's like that Didion essay where she was like, we were at our place on Franklin Avenue and then we just cruised over to Malibu. I'm like, what do you mean you cruised over to Malibu? Like, that would take two days. Oh my God, especially now. So when you talk about perfect action movies where you like look out the star, the plot's simple and great, and then it moves the way it moves. Did you make a list? I did. I'm very curious to hear what you guys think about this, but you were there for the 70s movies. Like there was an era of huge action movies in the 70s, you know, that were more event spectacle movies like Towering Inferno and Poseidon Adventure that were massive hits. And those movies, I think if you watch them now, don't really hold up. They're not really that fun to watch. You might have some nostalgic feelings for them if you watch them at the time, but they all feel overlong. They've got these really baggy set pieces. It's full of like all-star casts, but nobody really giving their best performances. It's like they're all swollen. Yeah. But in the late 80s, early 90s, something happens, and it's kind of like this hangover effect from movies like Top Gun, Beverly Hills Cop. Like Hollywood figures out a pacing and editing energy. Yeah. And then everything that comes in the wake of it is basically incredible for 10 years. Now, I have rose-colored teenager goggles on with these movies, but. No, I think you're right, though. So tier, I'll do what I think is tier one. Can I give you one movie, though, that I think defied that from the 70s? The Warriors. Yeah. That movie's 91 minutes. Yeah. Similarly, a movie where people are on the run the whole time. Right. That movie is the same kind of thing where it's like, I don't even know what you would cut. It's just like a filet mignon, which is what Speed's like. Anyway, go ahead. Okay. Maybe I'll do tier two first. Okay. Tier two. Broken Arrow, Con Air, Independence Day, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Cliffhanger, True Lies, Last Action Hero, Last Boy Scout, Demolition Man, Fifth Element, Hard Target, Executive Decision. I'm sure I've forgotten some here and there, but that's mostly what I'm thinking. Tier one. Die Hard, Crimson Tide, Hunt for Red October, T2, Point Break, The Matrix, Blade, Face Off, First Mission Impossible, Lethal Weapon, Fugitive, Heat, Under Siege, and I think at the top of the heap is Speed. I did an action movie championship belt starting with First Blood. Going back that far. That was the first modern action movie where it starts out as a movie and then all of a sudden, action gets added to it, right? But I had First Blood, Terminator, First Blood 2, Predator, Die Hard. It's just the belt getting passed. Lethal Weapon 2, Total Recall, Terminator 2, Under Siege. I have Cliffhanger in there. Other people don't. I think Cliffhanger's great. I think Cliffhanger's aged pretty well. I agree. The Fugitive and Speed. Yes. And you can just see like, so that's 12 movies in 12 years and they're all kind of leading to Speed and Speed's learned lessons. Like, hey, what made the Terminator work? Yes. You know, what made, what's the best part about Die Hard? And then it just kind of was like an AI intelligence of all these other things that worked and they just made it all happen together. So one of the things about Speed and Fugitive, those are two movies of my, one of my earliest recollections of saw the movie, went back and saw it the next day, which goes to show you like the word of mouth that came out about both of those movies, even in the 90s when I was still like a nascent, like, I'm starting to understand what film culture is. Like, even though my dad was in the house, like being like, oh, lots of people like this. It was like, you were running around to your friends like, have you seen Speed yet? Oh my God, dude, we got to go. And both of those movies are action films, but with thriller conceits. Like Fugitive is a Hitchcock movie, essentially like a wrongly accused man. And Speed could have been a Dirty Harry movie. Like Speed could have been like, there's a crazy man, like targeting buses in Los Angeles. But Bomb Squad Detective Jack Trayvon. Yeah, Bronson, Eastwood. It could have been like a McQueen movie, but they turn it into this like widescreen, explosive, never stop action movie. - Yeah, I feel like adrenaline is the thing that they tap into with these movies. - That's exactly right. - It's that feeling of just like you just, you're shaking the whole time you're watching the movie and having fun at the same time. - I would say adrenaline, problem solving. Like the guys that came this next wave of action movie guys, like Keanu, Snipes, Willis, Nick Cage. It's less about like those guys winning fights and being like the strongest, like which was what we had in the eighties. And it's more like, how do we get out of this? I'll try anything. - Yeah. - Oh my God, he's gonna do that. Like when Keanu gets under the bus, it's fucking insane. No normal person would do that, you know? And it's same thing with Die Hard. Like Die Hard, and I feel like Die Hard cracked the code on that. When he's like, oh, what was it? The elevator shaft? What was the craziest thing? What was the craziest thing he did in that movie? Or when he's swaying off the top? - Yeah, I mean. - But he's like a normal guy. Like, ah, I guess I gotta do this. - I just think also like the taping to the back. I mean, all these, yes. It's like, it's using your brain as much as your body. - Yeah. And pretty regular guys. Like Keanu Reeves barely wins a fight with Dennis Hopper. Like he's actually on his back. - Well, the Hopper thing is another, it goes back to Alan Rickman in Die Hard or even Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs where they're also like, the key to this movie is to grab the guy who's Tommy Lee Jones, Dennis Hopper, Anthony Hopkins, the villain who people are gonna be absolutely like magnetized by. And we'll- - Yeah, Connery in Hunt for Red October where you're just like, there's a hugely overqualified screen legend who is like, I'm just gonna let it rip on this one. - This would have been a fun Nicholson part. I think Hopper's great, but it's right in that zone where it's like, you can almost steal the movie if you're in the evil guy part. Hopper's another one. Hackman, I guess. - Yeah, he does it. - But they all kind of dabbled in it. De Niro's one was Cape Fear. Were you born the year of this movie? - Two months after it came out. - See, that's why he loves this stuff. - Born for it. Who showed it to you? How old were you when you saw it? - This was a movie that was like, my dad put it on for me and it was, it just felt like it was always on like TNT or something. And it was a big cable watch back when people did that for me. - Keanu. - Point Break, Speed, The Matrix, John Wick. - Yeah. - Just those four. That's about as good of a Mount Rushmore of, what kind of action movies did you make back in the day, Keanu? Well, you might've heard of John Wick. I made four of those. Did three Matrixes. But between Point Break and Speed, it's a little dicey for him. And that was part of the charm of this movie. It's like, really, Keanu? Just watched him bomb in Dracula. He did like a tough run there. - He was terrible in Dracula, but that was a big hit. That movie was very successful. I think it's, he was trying to do a thing that you see a lot of actors do now. This is something like Chalamet does, where you're really trying to balance the quality work with the mainstream work and trying to find a middle ground for those two things. And you could see that like after Point Break, he kind of very strongly pivots against that. He's like, I'm going to do Shakespeare. I'm going to do, you know, art house films. - I have the movies. Bill and Ted 2, Private Idaho, Dracula, Much Ado About Nothing. Cowgirl Gets the Blues and Little Buddha. This was a fucking bender. - When are we doing My Own Private Idaho? It's a really good movie. - It would be like the greatest zag ever for us to do that. - I wonder how many, have you seen it? I mean, it's the movie that made those two guys best friends. - Yeah. - And then the research, I didn't even realize this, that River Phoenix died when they were filming Speed and Keanu was so upset about it, they had to like fix the shooting schedule. - Yeah, I didn't know that either. - It was his best friend. - My Own Private Idaho would be a good episode. - It's a really interesting movie. - Do you want to participate? - Yeah, of course, yeah. - It's a really good one. - But that's, it wasn't, that's obviously not a big hit. He's making a very specific choice to do something. - He's great in that. I think he's fine in Much Ado About Nothing. I mean, like, he got a lot of grief for it, but if you go back and watch it. - I think Dracula's worse. I think Dracula, he sticks out like a sore thumb. - Dracula's like Laugh in the Theater. - Yeah, 'cause Dracula is a cool movie. That's like a really fun horror movie that Coppola made, and he is not at his best. - It's fine, this, Point Break, it's obviously iconic. It was one of the first ones we've done, but it's kind of fun to make fun of him as it's happening a little bit at some point. - FBI! - Junior! - I think he's just really good in this. - He's a little more yoked up in this, and Jock, like when-- - I like his hair. - Him and Harry are in the office building right after they've rescued the people from the elevator, but they're trying to figure out whether Howard is in the building, and Harry's like, he would want to be close by, and Jack gets up and he just like points at him, like he's Joe Burrow, and I was just like, this guy's fucking cool, man. - He really is. - I love it. - You know one thing I was thinking, 'cause they overthink everything now with TV and movies, and everybody has to have a backstory and all kinds of shit. I like that we just don't know anything about Jack. Where's he from? I don't care. - Do you know anything about Annie's life? - You know anything about Annie? - Yeah, nothing. - Is he a vegetarian? Who gives a shit? - Where does he live? We don't have the scene where he's just like getting ready to go to work in the morning, and he's got like his dog. - Like everybody else in America. - Yeah. - And he does have a traumatic past, but it's not played for any kind of like character dynamic. It's just like, he's just like, fuck you, give me my money. - Don't you think if they made this now, it'd be a half hour longer, which is fat? - Yeah. - Yeah. - And we would definitely see Jack like working out at Equinox and you know, and he just broke up with his girlfriend. - Yeah. - Like they would just add all this dumb shit to this character. - Well, it's even like you think about Harry's death in this. It's like, he takes two seconds to mourn him. He's just like, no! And then he's like, all right, let's move on. We're still on the bus. We can't like, what are we going to do? - I think he does say, I'm going to rip your fucking spine. spine out and he's like you'll do nothing like that yeah it's actually a really good scene because i bollock who's unbelievable in this movie she's so great but she's like jack i need you to stay with me yeah like you got a lot of people counting on you but um he's not just like the typical and that's what they were doing with these movies where they would have your hero but he would also have some sort of achilles heel or he sometimes couldn't handle the moment he might get overwhelmed a lot like watching joe burrow with a bad offensive line that's right justin herbert wow cj stroud you've been doing your research sandra bullock i don't know if this is the does that not apply to drake may shaky offensive line good we're taping this on july 31st good drake may uh performance today yeah oh it can't hit aj a couple times did he yeah the reporters are impressed how are you gonna feel watching aj fine fine that's how i'm gonna feel about jaylen brown i've already talked about something we both win uh sandra bullock i don't know if this was bill i definitely won i got lebron we'll see okay but that's what that's what they said when the trojan horse was delivered we did it you know my trojan buddies were like we did it oh we got it this fucking horse look at this thing lift that thing up uh so jaylen brown is the trojan horse in this scenario yeah wow interesting sandra bullock is this the all-time you're gonna have a fucking crush on me at the end of this movie performance or just on the top shelf way up there i'm pretty sure i saw low potion number nine before this though so it's not like this was the first time i'd ever seen i saw four movies with her she was a demolition man before this she was yeah i think i saw her in that yeah the vanishing the vanishing was that before this oh yeah and she's smoking hot matt yeah and then she's in i'm not sure that's supposed to be the takeaway but no she's in it for you guys see the vanishing smoke show absolutely she's hot that's why it's five alarms three years looking for her it's got posters of where she got abducted and then she's in uh that thing called love whatever that movie the river phoenix music movie bogdanovich movie yeah she's still one of the weirdest things i've ever done professionally is sit in a really small room with you and do the vanishing oh yeah that weird room and you just did the voice like for 60 percent of the bridges voice yeah hello jeff hello jeff i'm bonnie i'm the man you're looking for we should bring barney should be uh one of the voices for the pod i'll do it today this movie be better with barney yeah that thing called love had her and samantha matheson yeah sure did and river yeah it was on my radar i saw it in the theater a lot going on in 93 either so yeah it was but this was i i wrote in my notes a little indy navaretti ish where it's like by the end of the movie you're like that person's gonna be in my life now for 20 years yeah they will be repeatedly casting her in movies she has an incredible ability to have chemistry with any male lead and it does not matter how old or young they are she is like born to be a mainstream movie star she's a good actress but like she's just really good at connecting with other people on screen and then you feel connected to her that's a great way to put it yeah you're right she could be with i mean she was with ryan reynolds yes and that movie works so well and i don't really like ryan reynolds but yeah that was a huge hit that movie to your like what they focused on in this movie and what the screenplay focuses on what what's annie do we know where annie is going to work do we know what her job is she's sped that's i know she speeds she has she smokes cr yeah i'm just saying like she she doesn't just smoke but who it is is it's sandra bullock she doesn't just smoke morning smoker yeah well there's that's a whole level of darkness we'll explain that darkness or lightness like darkness or like the sun just came out because we're having i'm having a coffee and an 8 a.m dart getting on a bus what would you be were you a morning smoker yeah you were i would get up go downstairs smoke go back upstairs when it happened whenever i got like 11 a.m or 9 a.m for the longest time when i was working retail we were not greeting the morning you know what i mean so i but i would get up smoke and then go shower my takeaway knowing nothing on that character is just those things that i'm not used to i'm not used to it i'm not used to it i'm not used to it i'm not used to it i'm not used to it i'm not used to it i'm not used to it i'm not used to it little two tidbits told me she was out till three in the morning the night before yeah yeah okay probably had four hours sleep might not have slept at her own place oh interesting rallied back with the coffee cigarette she's late for the bus fortunately she knows sam she knows are you calling annie a loose woman no i think she might have had a big night the night before okay that's why she's running a little late for that bus the 8 a.m yeah to be like that bus is a half hour let me let me wipe out this dart just takes a couple puffs meanwhile she's great and can drive a bus i mean she was really the dream girl yeah i think when she apologizes when she has the bomb vest on she's like sorry she's she's very special drive a bus is that on your hit list for things you want a woman to be able to do just jumped right in i mean would you know how to drive a bus here uh no i mean i i like what is it is it would you know it's like driving a long car would i know how to drive a bus probably not i feel like just getting a handle on that would take a bit i think turning is probably when she makes the sharp turn uh to get on the the freeway i'm like that's impressive one of the best parts about him uh her and keanu in the movie is when he's like realizes she's done a good job and he's like wow hey pretty good you know that's that's them connecting it's kind of funny that he doesn't ever like say like i'll drive for a little bit that's true there's a lot of time where they're just standing there and she's driving yeah i think as the cop he'd be like i got it well there's what 40 minutes into the movie he's like yeah i might take a crack at this one once we get off the bus she's doing later yeah i think she's thinking the same thing it's it's funny because we did obsession we recorded that one on monday and it it's very similar to indy navarrete in that movie where you're just like i like this person yeah and cinderella always had it she finally put it together and now we're i just saw a trailer for practical magic 2 yes um so it's still going three and a half decades later i was at a cinema con in april and she came out to talk about that movie when i was there and she's like 62 years old or something she looks like she's 39 it's it's insane how many she doesn't really make that much stuff anymore i think i was shocked she had less than 60 imdb credits yeah i think she's basically been two a year max that's it kids this is her first movie since the lost city i feel like it is she hasn't really made a movie in about four or five years i like she gets yeah i actually know it's a long random story but the person she's with now just like normal la person cool yeah that's great but i was she always had the same the bus driver she ended up with sam but she always had the rep for most normal hollywood star because some of them you'd be shocked to know aren't that normal she's one of those people like leo or denzel where like they still matter i like people actually will still just like people went to go see the lost city this is whether or not you like that movie that movie was actually a hit almost entirely because she is still a draw in a unique way well the funny we haven't done Gravity yet it's on the list oh yeah but that's one where that's basically a Matt Damon The Martian like Tom Hanks Cast Away I think that's her biggest hit yeah it's just me for an hour yeah and that's like the last level of movie stardom if you can carry a movie like that just like it's just me guys you're gonna enjoy watching me try to figure out stuff and get mad at myself you also just like if you think about all the different ways you could have shuffled the deck of the two people who could have been the cop and the woman who's driving the bus and if it's like and there's a version of this movie that's like Jean-Claude Van Damme and Natasha Henstridge and you're just like that movie probably is like borderline entertaining but you're not like zoomed in on what's happening at the wheel of the bus and watching these two people kind of fall for each other yeah and also like really magical chemistry with them they're wonderful together in an action movie yeah I agree and I think that and I think that it's more likely that you were gonna get that that's probably the reason why the movie is just is a forever movie it's like they kind of nailed all those particular choices that had to fall into place yeah when you go through the casting what ifs it's not like oh well we were looking at yeah you know Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman but we just it's like this they were like I guess we'll try Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves like nobody knows who she is and he was in Point Break a couple years ago but the same goes for Yonda Bond like it could have just not been him it could have been any number of other filmmakers because it was just like this is like this is a hot script it's a studio movie you gotta pick the right people he'd never made a movie before but you get this Dutch maniac who's been studying under Verhoeven for 25 years and you get a guy who's willing to do all this crazy shit in this movie I mean the practical stuff that they're trying to pull off that they do pull off in that movie is insane and he brought a bunch of new stuff that wasn't like the bus jump was like his idea the whole elevator first 20 minutes like he that was him on Die Hard but even like when when the first bus blows in Venice and Jack is like running up to it and then like the flames are jumping and he's like I'm like is that Keanu Reeves next to like actual active fire probably did they have any oversight that's the thing is the flip side of it is this is clearly a much less safe time in Hollywood but so many of the things that they do in the movie so many of the action set pieces when they were if they were making it now they would have just said ah we'll just fix that in post we'll just we will be able to digitally touch this so it's all fine and some of the sequences wouldn't look as good they'd be like they definitely wouldn't feel as good they wouldn't feel as deep and real also all the stuff like the elevator shaft is all made miniatures, stuff that they built by hand and then shot together. It's just like, it's kind of the last moment, right? It's pre-Armageddon, it's pre-Independence Day, where. It's a year before Twister, or a year and a half before Twister. It's just right at the end of that CGI transition where everything big and explosive just goes into that approach instead of this approach, and it's why it's such a forever movie. I like those movies, too. But this one is. I love those movies as well, but this one is almost entirely done practically. Yeah, it's like The Fugitive. It's like, let's take this thriller concept, but take it to its most extreme, but still plausible and logical extension of have a train crash, have this St. Patrick's Day parade be the setting for a chase scene, and then have buses. And we love The Fugitive, and we've done it twice, including Infernal Lab audience in Chicago. This movie moves way faster than The Fugitive. Sure. Fugitive, there's a couple slow parts. Did you ask Danny Kelly if he would change his name to Ian? Not yet. Does Danny Kelly know that Scoot McNary is playing a character named Danny Kelly? Yes, he was just informed. Somebody on Twitter sent him a screenshot of. Because they talk about the character's name being Danny Kelly in the show, right? Yes, being very Irish. Does anybody call him DK? No, not yet. Okay. Not yet. That was a Bill Simmons note. First year of the pod. Changing to Ian. Can't both be Danny in the pod. And now neither of them are Danny. It's Heifetz and DK. Hopper. Little Hopper resurgence. Starting with True Romance. The Hopper side. I would argue that the Blue Velvet Hoosiers thing is what puts him back on the map. That in 86, he makes those movies. He gets an Oscar nomination despite being one of the well-known maniacs in Hollywood history. Like, literally a crazy person who did crazy shit in the 60s and 70s. And then he makes this crazy comeback. And then he gets like a 15-year gravy train where he gets tons of studio movie parts. True Romance, Speed, and Waterworld. All back to back to back. I didn't know who. I wasn't like a going backwards movies guy. I knew him from Hoosiers first. It's like, oh, Shooter. Wait, Coach is getting kicked out? Let Shooter take over the team? What's going on here? But he ended up having a nice run. And I would love to say, oh, it should have been somebody else for this part. But I think he's like a home run. Yeah, I mean. I think he's so good at this. He has like this. malevolence that can come out of nowhere. Even going back to Blue Velvet. And an energy that you can see in Apocalypse Now and see in any of his like classic performances that is that kind of like aging method, wildcat, untamed animal. True Romance talking about the moors. Yeah, I mean, it's just so special, man. It's just really special to watch. And even though Howard, I'm not even really sure what his ideology was. Yeah, or like what the plan was. Like, it seemed like. So why'd he blow up that house? That was in a nice location. You think that was his house? Whose house was that? It was his house. They tracked him down. He had the chips pushed all the way in. Right, so he blew up his own house just to kill Harry. That's kind of a crazy move. He's like, I was going to move anyway. That's what Mike Gansey did to get LeBron. He was like, just to show you how in I am. He blew up my own house. Then we got Jeff Daniels who pulls off the double Harry in 1994. He's a dumb-a-dumber in speed. Kind of a weird moment where like, he's slumming it a little bit, but it makes the movies, both of those movies so much better that, you know, skilled actor Jeff Daniels is in them playing the fourth lead. It's really strange. I think he, in the research, he was basically saying, I didn't realize this movie was good until I saw the movie. Yeah. But I think he was probably like how everybody felt filming season one of Cape Fear. But it turns out it wasn't good. Yeah, it turned out it wasn't good. But when you watch Cape Fear by about episode five, you can start seeing when each actor loses their will to be in the show. Patrick Wilson by episode seven is like, just fucking kill me. Just shoot me in the head. Have you stuck with Cape Fear? No. It's the worst show of all time. But Jeff Daniels was probably like, yeah, I'm doing this Jim Carrey thing. I think it's going to be big. This fucking Dutch guy, this bus movie. I don't know. We wanted John McTiernan. We couldn't get him. Yeah, I'm only in a few scenes. Like Keanu's the lead. And then he gives the movie a lot. He really does. He gives it like a credibility. He's got a different, different tone in his acting style where everybody else is just like so locked in. And he's like much more laconic and easygoing. I think he's great. Also, he gives it, the face he makes, which I had later for the most kiffable moment from this movie, the, oh my God, I'm fucked face. Yeah. And you just kind of. Kind of the OG Shamit face. Yeah. Have we addressed how the Shamit face needs to be completely retired? How Shamit is now like a god? Have we addressed it? He is. On any Bill Simmons podcast? He got, he got a new contract. Yeah. Yeah. A great deal. So Shamit face got replaced by a Jeff Daniels face? Possibly. Jeff Daniels is about to be exploded into a million pieces face. How do you feel about Dumb and Dumber and Speed, same actor, same year, couple months apart? Six months apart. I think it was like Christmas and summer. Yeah. I mean, that's like an all time two fucking weird parts that have nothing to do with each other. That's got to be up there for any great year for any double rewatchable. movie actor. Yeah. Also probably really helped Dumb and Dumber when it was coming out. People are like, oh, Guy from Speed. Well, yeah, but he was, you know, in terms of endearment and, you know, he was in a ton of shit. I agree that he's important for this movie. Yeah. He gives it some credibility. He's not in that much. He's in 30 minutes. Yeah. There's him and Joe Morton, I think, give it a lot of credibility. Oh, fuck yeah. Joe Morton's incredible. Our guy. Yeah. There's a quality to the screenplay. So Graham Yost writes this. It's his first, I think, produced screenplay at least, but he was pretty young hotshot. He goes on to do Justified and, like, tons of TV stuff. A bunch of movies. But he wrote this script, I think it was almost all on the bus when he wrote his version of it before it started to go into development. I wouldn't say it's, like, William Goldman or whatever, but it is a rock-solid screenplay. And even though these characters aren't real people, they are perfect movie characters. Yeah. Where, like, you can see, like, Harry says, to Jack, you need to start thinking and not just be so instinctual. Guts will get you so far. And by the end of the movie, like, Jack has to think his way through this situation. And Harry, ironically, dies by being instinctive and running into a house that he shouldn't run into. And it's, like, just really good, solid Hollywood screenwriting that's happening while most people are like, that fucking bus is about to jump over a gap. Mm-hmm. Josh Whedon did some rewrites for it, too. I was trying to, I was looking at Joe Morton's IMDb. It's just never a bad thing when he's in a movie. He's probably secretly been in, like, seven rewatchables. He was just in Ali. Yeah. Yeah. He's great, Ali. I think he's really good in this movie. He doesn't have a lot of lines, but he's got great reactions. I love when the bus jump happens and they cut to him and he's just like, fuck yeah. Yeah. He's just like, you're all fired. Yeah. And then I had, he had the screenwriter, director, the score by Mark Mancina. Mm-hmm. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Yeah. Hired in part because he was coming off of being basically Hans Zimmer's number two on True Romance. And they were like, I want some of that energy in this movie. And then, the only other thing I had for the intro was just favorite, like, I'm in L.A. movies. It's weird because this movie's, it's basically L.A. under attack. Mm-hmm. But it's some nice different snapshots of, we're in Venice. Mm-hmm. Downtown. We're near the airport. We're on all the different highways. We're in downtown. We end in two different spots in downtown. We're using the trolley. We're using the bus. I fantasize about being able to get off that exit going to the airport with not a single car on the highway. That is one of the worst places in the universe. Like, I think you have to do it at three in the morning if you want to have that kind of experience. Well, that was literally the only positive of COVID that I could think of. Driving to the airport. Other than having more family time. No, just no traffic. Just flying around. So it was no traffic, then more family time? Family time, 1A, traffic, 1B, then no other happy things. Speed won two Oscars? Yeah, sound, right? Sound and best sound effects editing. Yeah. Who are the favorites this year, Sean? The Odyssey is going to dominate all the below-the-line stuff. Also, they've combined those two categories, just so you know now. It's just best sound. They no longer do sound editing. Do you think Odyssey will be. They have best stunts, right? I think that's next year. Next year. Yeah. Okay. I'm already emotionally prepared. It's a lot like the Pat's Super Bowl where deep down, I kind of knew we were going to lose of Matt Damon being the favorite for seven months and then losing for best actor. He's going to lose to Andrew Scott in a movie called Elsinore that I've not yet seen. But I can already see. I already. I'm just looking at all the. This is what we were talking about with Navarrete. It's going to be so devastating. She's going to win and I'm like, no, she's not. We're not on Rhymes. We said she's the favorite right now, but we also haven't seen. 80% of the movies? Right. Yeah. I got to talk about this for nine months, so I don't want to get ahead of myself, but for whatever reason in my bones, I'm like, this Andrew Scott thing is going to happen. I don't know why I feel that way, but I do. It's the fucking helmet catch for the Oscars for Boston fans. It's like, Matty D, here it comes. Boston people claiming Odysseus. We got this. He's one ass. This kid Odysseus, motherfuckers. You're treating Matt Damon like, Curt Schilling on the Red Sox is so weird. He's a Boston team. Both of them. our guys. They started out from Boston. Has Joe Mazz weighed in on the Odyssey yet? Oh, wow. Great question. I'm surprised. It is a real I'll watch this 10 times in a row. What if I had Allison just ask Joe Mazz don't want you on, doesn't want to talk NBA, just wants to talk Odyssey. No, retown. The retown of Mazz. That's the one he watches over and over again, right? If you did the town with Joe Mazz live in Boston, you could probably sell out the garden. Right? After watching Shane Gillis sell 76,000 football stadium. Did he really? He sold out the fucking football stadium. That makes sense. Cut of a dig. $35 million budget for this movie. Made $350,000. Bang. Pretty good. Fifth biggest 1994 movie. 1994 banger, banger year. I don't have the list. Do you have the list of what was above it? I can look. I'll look after we do the break. 1994 is pulp, right? Biggest touchdown of the whole pod. Roger Ebert. Four fucking stars. I knew it. Speed is an ingenious wind-up machine. Smart, inventive thriller. We've seen this done before. Sold them so well. And then he said, films like Speed belong to the genre I call bruised forearm movies. Because you're always grabbing the arm of the person sitting next to you. Great line. He reused that line on the TV show. I watched him, Siskel and Ebert, talk about this last night. This is what struck me. They both love the movie, right? This was like a critically acclaimed summer blockbuster, which is a very rare thing. They talked about the movie for less than two minutes, and then went on to the next movie on the episode. If this movie came out today, we would have done, I would have done at least three episodes of the big picture about this movie. I would have found a million ways to cover it. It was kind of fascinating to think about the fact that what our media was that was supporting movies, it didn't require all that much to get people to get up and go to see the movie. Would you do one good blurb on a bus for Speed? Sure. Yeah. I've been on an LA City bus before. Yeah. It's one blurb. It's not one good blurb. My bad. One blurb. As the executive producer of one blurb, I didn't mean to. You still wanted to happen. You just come out of the theater. Sean Fennessey just saw The Odyssey. Does he have to introduce himself on his own social handles every time? Yeah. Okay. Hey guys, it's me, Sean Fennessey. Just saw The Odyssey. Just test drive it. A magnificent reinterpretation. Fuck you, Emily Wilson. Sign off. Boom. Boston's son is coming home. Boom. Listen, you guys think I'm kidding. So top eight domestic 94, Forrest Gump, Lion King. Yeah. Saw that on a date. Did you just date with him? No, we were dating at that point. Real date. Speed and Lion King were in the same Siskel and Ebert episode. How long did they talk about Lion King? More minutes. Okay. Santa Claus. Still haven't seen it. The Flintstones, which made $130 million somehow. I still don't understand that. Dumb and Dumber, Clear and Present Danger. Speed, The Mask, Pulp Fiction. Sick. Of the in-year releases. Director of The Mask, Chuck Russell, just passed away. Awesome movie. But then there's a whole bunch of. Wow. 94 was. We've done a lot of these. A couple disappointing ones, too. Like what? Cop 3, I'm still coming to grips with how bad that was. I mean, Shawshank is 94. Shawshank's 94. A lot of good stuff. Is. JFK 94? What year is JFK? 92, I think. We didn't know how well we were eating in 92, 93, and 94. We're going to take a break. We'll do rewatchable scenes. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Imagine you're running a professional sports team. Nice. That would be a dream of mine. Imagine the player contract report is due today. Not so nice. You've got performance notes from the coaching staff. You've got a salary spreadsheet. From your analyst. Three rounds of back and forth emails with the agent and all of it is scattered absolutely everywhere. Well, that's where ChatGPT work comes in. It's a new way to use ChatGPT for bigger, multi-step projects. Give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files and can create real work documents. For instance, spreadsheets, slides, structured reports. You can bring all those to your next meeting and when you don't need answers, you need help just getting the work across to finish. Guess what? 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Yeah, and we had a awesome conversation about, like, his, the arc of his whole career, but he talked about getting cast in this movie in that interview where he was just like, yeah, Jan liked me. And that just, like, set me off on a that guy run for my career. Did he have any memories of, like, how they shot the elevator scene or anything? Yeah, we talked about it a little bit. I mean, it obviously wasn't as exciting as it looks in the movie. Sure. Um, but he was just kind of blown away because it was his first, like, really big movie set that he was participating in making the movie. DeBont got the idea from working on Die Hard and I always thought elevator, chefs were scary and was like, what if we did this? Can I just throw one of my favorite unintentional comedy moments is in, uh, like, in that office building before they get on the elevator, the way that all of the characters, all the actors are about to go on this elevator ride to hell, but they have to do ten seconds of, like, great meeting, dick! I thought the blueprints for that building were excellent! Actually, you know, but you know you're in a, what's gonna be an awesome movie because in that scene, it's not like the camera's set up on a tripod far away. It's like the camera is, like, spinning around in that. In the meeting room, you're like, holy shit, like, Jan DeBont is on one. I think this project's gonna be a rousing success! Crazy Dutch guy. Uh, and then you think the elevator's over, but then we're in the freight elevator. Yeah. And we're doing that whole thing. Great stuff. Uh, first bus blows up. That gives us the pop quiz hot shot. Do you, do you, do you think of Howard shooting them out in the freight elevator and then taking Harry hostage as a separate scene, or is that all the same freight elevator is its own scene? Yeah, I think there's three scenes within the first 25. It's like, the people in the elevator, the freight elevator, and then the basement with the hostage situation shoot the hostage. The freight elevator also has a great moment when they were, like, trying to figure out if he's in the building, and and Daniels is like, I think there's a freight elevator, and Keanu's, like, just on the run, ready to roll. Um, first bus blowing up. The payphone. We're gonna have to do some nitpicks as, as we go through the movie, but bus blows up. Jack's getting coffee in the morning, you know, just talking to the bus driver, just having a, just ready to start the day. Yeah. This bus blows up. He chases it. Now it, like, blows up again. Now it's on fire. We don't know how many people are on, but the driver's definitely dead, and the payphone starts ringing, and Jack's just like, payphone, I should get that. I just, I just don't. He has a feeling. He has a bad feeling. He's an instinctual police officer. And then Hopper, Hopper has it figured out so that the bus is gonna blow up and roll to the spot where these two payphones are, and banking that Jack's gonna run after it. I, I'm gonna say 101 outs. And does Hopper have eyes on the bus blowing up in some way? That's the thing. He must have had a camera. He's, no, he's, he's right by there. He's nearby. He's calling on his cell phone, like, down the street. Okay. Cause he, you can see the flames in the windshield of his car. Right, okay. Uh, not just. Are you answering a payphone right there, or no? Well, I mean, I, I think that it, we, for kicks, like, like, back in the day, I used to answer, like, kicks? Yeah, like, if you were, like, hanging out and smoking a cigarette with your friends and the payphone rang, sometimes you would pick it up. What are you talking about? Would you not ever pick up a payphone that was ringing? No. What? What if it was for somebody you needed? Really? Psychopath? No, not to be, like, pop quiz hot shot, but to be, like, what's up? You never know what a fucking Sandra Bullock was calling, you know? Okay. I wouldn't do that. Well, that, this got stolen for basically every video game where somebody's on a run or doing a mission, where it's like, oh, the payphone's running. There's a whole movie called Phone Booth that is based on this feeling, this vibe of what happens in the movie. I have a quick question about this scene. Another speed ripoff. It is. I'm not, what's up with him forgetting his muffin? What do you mean? He gets coffee and a muffin. Keanu gets coffee, and he forgets his muffin, and then the guy behind the counter's like, hey, Jack, you forgot your muffin. And then, like, so Jack turns around, and at first you're like, okay, so maybe this is so that he doesn't, like, get on the bus or something, but he's never gonna get on the bus. He drove there. I think it's just supposed to be a slice of life. Like, this guy likes a muffin, but sometimes he forgets it. Sometimes he's in a hurry sometimes he's thinking about maybe, like, okay. Like Sandy having the morning dart. Same thing. Follow-up question. Is Jack Traven the kind of guy who eats a muffin? I was asking my wife about that. It's like an egg sandwich. Yeah, like, where are we at with muffins, like, popularity-wise? I feel like they're really falling out of favor, especially at your specialty coffee shops. But some of the donuts came back. Yeah, yes. Well, I feel like the PR for muffins is bad, because now everybody's like, well, this isn't good for you. You can't eat that. Well, they're like, it's 3,500 calories, and it's like. Sugar. Yeah. So you're gonna crash. The thing now that, that, that has been going on is the PR for bagels is out of control and they've convinced like hot people that eating a bagel in the morning is totally fine yeah that we've made the yeast better and it's actually better for you courage and Layla bagels and all these like fancy bagel spots it's like you see these like women in workout clothes at 8am having a bagel I've been team bagel for a long time so this is huge for me you know the fact that I can eat a bagel sandwich Craig just went like full Nithya I'm like that's why I'm gonna change LA you should run you should run for mayor you would win in a landslide courage and Layla bagels they're both they're great both home runs east side we got Maury's we got Bell's people are like starting their day with a bagel every day now because of like the PR spit on bagels it used to be like a hungover Sunday morning you have a bacon egg and cheese it's like basically having pizza start your Tuesday with a bagel I'm gonna have Jewish guys in the east coast you don't have to tell me about bagels I don't know Long Island bagels are a religion yeah we eat bagels every Saturday love the bagels next scene Sandy gets on the bus Sam holds the bus for her makes her run a little bit though you can see her she has to throw down the dart hops on sits next to Connor Roy would you seek out a woman smoking when you were a young man I would have filed it away but like when you saw a woman smoking where you're like you're going on the list I'm interested no it's more it's fellow traveler what did it tell you it's like you're outside you have a smoke break she has a smoke break or you're outside a bar you're in you know like do you have a light it's just like a icebreaker got it it's like when Cruz he's a fellow Scientologist he's like how does he know they're a Scientologist you should talk later about the thetans we're cutting out we're trying to get Cruz on the report no keep it so she gets on the bus keep it I have no secrets she gets on the bus meets all the weirdo people on the bus Keanu hops on the bus hops in his 1974 Bronco Sport god damn that's a nice car one of the best cars ever not a car I'd want to chase down a bus in though no yeah rickety a little wobbly gets in finds finds Glenn they won't let him on gets Glenn Plummer yeah oh yeah out of nowhere tune man hops into the Jaguar figures out how to get on the bus it's just a wonderful seven minutes probably doesn't need to to strike the two doors on the side of the car that felt like he was going a little extra well so yeah I think that there's a cool move the elevator's great the bus blowing up is great when he opens the car door and slams on the brakes to smash off to almost start a 40 car accident that's when that's when the prayer circle starts they just did that he was doing tricks on it that just happened yes like that's just a real thing that they did while making the movie there's a couple of things I don't want to step on great shot Gordo but it's not that important of a category there's a couple of shots in this where I'm like so what was take two going to be like what were did you guys have another Jaguar with the like the exact same Jaguar Dutch directors yeah Dutch directors Dutch directing and soccer just think about this out of the box this 12 months in Jan de Bon's life is he shoots Basic Instinct as a cinematographer he's the man behind the camera for the most notorious scene of the 1990s he finds the key light yes and then he makes speed this guy is fucking crazy and then he's like what's next for me twister cows are going to be flying in the air truly stay on or get off really good one right I forgot to mention it's not a rewatchable scene but I love when the guy the criminal on the bus thinks Jack's there for him and just shoots Sam yeah always fun when somebody just gets randomly shot but lives in an action movie the old lady blowing up moving Sam off the bus the bus and then Beth Grant's character getting blown up is one of my favorite moments in the movies in the 90s I sent you screenshots of this I have to Annie you can see it cuts to her and she's like like almost like a crack addict I gotta say the fucking guy who should be exiled to Siberia is the one cop who's like come on yeah it's like this is like widely communicated that they're not allowed to get off the bus what are you tempting these people for? run just jump lady the bus jump this movie just does not let up every time we're like oh let's get some backstory it's like nope next problem it's amazing they didn't finish the bridge what do you mean? he shoots it like the charge of the light brigade too where it's like Joe Morton watching the bus go off as like the sun is starting to crest and it's like so we I mean we might as well do the nitpicks for this now this is probably the most unrealistic great movie scene in the history of movies but physically possible wow I wish I'd prepared for that the bus goes up if there is an incline there is physically possible but when you look at how they do it it's pretty straight I read on reddit r slash physics I read on reddit I know but I went to like a real reddit board sure oh yeah not one of these fake ones more of the verifiable ones they did a mythbusters episode in yeah they did this 2009 and here's what we found out um it was impossible under real world conditions was was the legacy of this in your face our physics all they're saying is that it's kinetically possible you know what I mean I think you would have to go I think the ramp would have to be like this yeah looks like it hits something that kind of it pops the nose up it does it was like when you'd go over like a little hill with your BMX bike you'd be like got a little jump so this was a little crazy Dutch thing where he heard about that there was a space between the two highways it was like do you want to do a jump? And they just do it. You should do him as gold member. Do you think he just talks like gold member? I love speed. We'll do a jump. They do two tries. The bus collapsed the first time. There's YouTube video of it. Yeah, the bus lands and just like… Yeah, they were like… Every tire breaks. Like the submersible. Yeah. It's like, wow. And then the second one was two days later. It went further than they thought. And there was a camera where the bus was supposed to go right into the camera. But the bus went further and destroyed the camera. So they had to use the side shot. But that fucking crazy Dutch Jan had this like awesome bus coming at the camera. Camera's gone. Incredible. So anyway. I think that became the most famous part of this movie though. The most discussed. I agree. So this is just such a great in the theater or re-watching moment. If you forget it a little bit where you're like… Like they're like, there's a gap in the road ahead. And you're like, what the fuck? Really? Yeah. How are we going to get out of this one? They didn't finish the highway. Yeah. The chopper shot of you see the gap. Yeah. Same thing for when they do the turn when they're getting in the highway ramp. And it's like, we're not going to make it. And he's like, everybody get on this side of the bus. It's like fucking smart. It's great. Jack's just killing it. It's Annie who's like, we're not going to make it. And he's like, shit, we're not going to make it. I will say if there was a gap in the road in Los Angeles, everyone would know about it. Because that highway would be shut down for a period of time. So that would be common knowledge amongst Angelenos. So they're making the 105-110 interchange at this… Is this like the beginning of the 105? Okay. Jack and the pulley thing going under the bus. When Joe Morton says, don't get dead. Yeah. Does the gas screw move. And I just think he does. Okay. There's some movie magic with this one too. I think Jack under the bus is just going to not work. When that… When the bus is like bouncing. Yeah. I don't think he makes it, but it's fine. Because I believe in Jack. It's a little bit of like Indy under the truck. I would like to also know like how close we were to losing Keanu Reeves during the shooting of this scene. Who insisted on doing all of his stuff. Yeah. And he was like, I don't really understand how they're shooting it if it's not incredibly dangerous. It seems like he's going fast. Yeah. Good Joe Morton. How many lives you got, man? Yeah. Harry blowing up. I love the way that scene is shot though. It's such a good scene. Where you see them surrounding the house. You know it's going to go bad. And they go inside. Yeah. Why do you think though… I don't know if this is an unanswerable question or not. But why does Hopper's character put a bomb that has like a light and a timer? Like obviously it's for the audience. But if you had a bomb in the house, wouldn't you just like press the button? You don't need to like indicate to the people that… I thought it was motion censored. Yeah. Oh, is it motion censored? Yeah. I thought it triggered. Yeah. Oh, okay. It was a red lamp. Got it. Bus escape. Bus escape. Getting all the passengers off. But it's just them. It's just Jack and Annie. And then he figures out, we'll open that little hatch. And we'll just zoom out from the bottom of the bus. Again, this is 101 odds. You're pulling this one off. I don't know how long the run time would be. But if they had just ended the movie with them kissing as the… Yeah, we're probably fine. Are we better off as a country? It's a great 88 minutes. I think it's 132 or so thereabouts. Come on, dog. That would have been just good stuff. I know you have to go get Howard. Where do you guys stand on the giant plane blowing up in this scene? That's fucking… Were people in the plane? Do you remember when we talked about… Was anyone… I don't think anyone… I think the implication is that it's a freight plane being refueled. Yeah, it's being serviced. And the guy who was the refueling truck driver does run away. It did remind me a lot of… Do you remember when we did Die Hard 2? And we were like, holy shit, they blew up that plane in Die Hard 2. Like, you could never do that in a movie ever again. Right. 300. 300. people and just get killed. But like in three years later, they just. did it again in this movie. Relationships that start under intense circumstances never last. Yeah. Great quote. Dennis Hopper dies. Yeah, but I'm taller. I have some thoughts about that. Just quick, sidebar. My favorite TV or movie decapitations ever. Here are my top four. Game of Thrones. Hereditary. Black Rain and Speed. Got it! Four best ones. I'm going to go criteria orgasm here and say Kurosawa's Ron. Nice. Incredible decapitation. Bloodsburg. Fucking waterfall of blood. Yeah. And the subway crash ending. Just true love from Keanu. He's like, you know what? If we're going down, we're going down together. If I can get out of this and we don't die, I'm definitely having sex with her tonight. I got to roll the dice. I've been putting in foreplay for eight hours, seven hours, whatever. This is the. I just got to do it. I got to find out how this is. This is sort of a Zee Wataneo thing, but when do you think Annie. lights up after this movie? Like, at what point is she like, God damn it, I need a new part? By the way, why wasn't she lighting up when they end up in downtown LA and she's like, I'm going to take a little walk? Why wasn't that a smoke break? Yeah. What are we doing? Honestly, on the bus, you could just be like, light him if you got him. You know? That would have been a way to get rid of Conor Roy. Spending a lot of time on cigarettes here, guys. Oh, it just made her. made her a bit more attractive. What was the most rewatchable scene? Controversially, I think it's. it's the elevator scene for me this time around. I rewatched, like, the mechanics of it and how they shot that. It's like just a deep cut. Yeah, it's. I think I. That's like you being like, Nirvana. Yeah. Smells like Teen Spirit wasn't the best song in the album. It's actually this one. It's just. this time around, it was so fun to watch that and think about how they did it. Sean? I think in the theater, the most euphoric moment was the bus jump and Joe Morton, you know, doing the fist pump. But rewatching the movie. I don't know. I really like them getting Sam off the bus and then Beth Graham getting blown up. I have Keanu getting on the bus initially in that whole chase scene. And I. Underrated. When Glenn Palmer drives into the water things, I've always kind of secretly wanted to do that. Hit one of the water jugs? Yeah, just to see the water fly up. Like, if you're ever going to crash, that's how you crash. Would you wear a seatbelt for that? Bill Simmons, famed sports writer and podcast. Master tragically died last night after driving his car directly into a water tank on the 101. That should be the punishment for your fantasy league. Just drive into those things at 40 miles an hour. Drive 90 miles per hour. What do you have for most rewatchables? I think it's Jack Under the Bus for me on the little sled. This means it's a good movie when we have four separate rewatchable scenes. No question. Let's take another break. This episode is brought to you by Angry Orchard Hard Cider. Halloween's just better with a scary movie and something good to drink. Angry Orchard's limited edition, glow-in-the-dark thriller variety pack is the perfect companion. It even includes a mystery flavor can featuring the iconic ghost face from Scream. Don't get angry. Get Orchard this Halloween. Find Angry Orchard in a store near you or visit angryorchard.com. Angry Orchard's cider company, LLC. angryorchard.com. Please drink responsibly. Angry Orchard is a hard cider with other natural flavors. Um, I did check on chat GBT decapitation scenes just to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I think I'm now on a government watch list. What'd you find? There were some other ones, but I thought I had the right four. Faces of Death. Did that come up? Did chat GPT recommend Kurosawa's Ron? No. Okay. That's why you're here. Only you can do that. What's the most 1994 thing about this movie? I'll give you five choices. Let me know if I missed anything. Okay. Starting a movie with three minutes of credits and graphics? It just doesn't happen anymore. Yeah. It feels longer than that. We just start with movies now. You know, like this is like this decade, we're off. Yep. This movie now, we're just in the elevator. And yet somehow every movie now is 30 minutes longer than it was back when this movie came out. No cell phones, no social media, obviously. Young Keanu and young Sandra Bullock, like can't be, we've spent 35 years with these people at this point. Uh, no homeless people under the highway underpasses are in Pershing Square has to be mentioned. And then all this time we're spending on the LA freeways, but nobody makes an OJ joke is the most Is it shot before OJ? Yeah. It's shot in 93. Oh, okay. I just feel like if this movie's a year later, there's three OJ jokes. Like, Connor Roy's saying, ah, I think I just saw the white Bronco. Or, Amy's like, maybe I should, maybe we should have gotten Al Cowlings to drive the bus. Like we just would have, it would have been very self-referential. They're just not. What did you have? You missed one. Uh, the nickname for the 1993 Arizona Wildcats defense was Desert Swarm featuring Teddy Bruschi. You know, I researched this because it felt weird that he went with Arizona football and that Arizona basketball. They were like 10 and 2. 10 and 2 in 93. Pretty good. Yeah. But Lute Olsen was there by 93, right? And Arizona had made the final four in like 88. Isn't Sean Elliott like, yeah, like Arizona had had moments. It is the time when that is really starting to happen, right? 94. The football team was going though. I have one more. Yeah. Just not thinking about being surveilled at all. It's kind of, you could say that age is the worst, but I like that the best where it doesn't even occur to Jack that there might be a camera in the bus that is keeping an eye on him because it's a time when you don't, you know, you don't just like get a speeding ticket from a camera on a flashlight. On a traffic light. What'd you have for Floyd Gundale's butter on my ass lollipops in my mouth for something you just enjoyed? I have two. Okay. One is anytime a high concept movie has a ticking clock convention. So like there are a lot of movies in the 90s that are riffing on this. We already mentioned Phone Booth. Nick of Time is like this. Panic Room is like this. Captain Phillips is kind of like this where you're like stuck in a place and there's a certain amount of time before something goes by. But the thing I really like that is really simple is the way that Keanu holds a handgun with two hands and like pivots and turns and turns and turns the way that a police officer always does and he has been using this move in the Wick movies and this is where he learned to do it. It's not Point Break. It's in this movie. When he goes down into the subway and he's looking for Hopper, great shit. What do you have? For Gondoli? Yeah. The Hans Zimmer JV soundtrack of dun dun dun dun dun dun It's like you could put that over playing a video game, making like a hamburger. You will feel epic if you're doing that. I wonder if that should be the new Rewatchables theme song. Anytime we do an action movie. My wife and I have been all week, we've just been like randomly doing dun dun dun dun dun dun It's so good. You want to license Mark Mancini's score from speed for the theme song? I think you can give it to us. I'll just ask Mark later. Okay. See what he's doing. I have two as well. Anytime we have to repeatedly cut to something like the speed limit here where it's like oh, we're at 52. Oh, we're back up to 55. Uh-oh, we're dropping down to 51 again. And it's just like the easiest to keep you locked in on the tension of the movie. You could just do it forever. But my number one is the the crew of super annoying people waiting to be saved that I'm supposed to be rooting for. But an hour in the movie, I'm like, fuck these people. Yeah. Like the lady who ends up dying. Connor Roy. Yep. The fucking criminal. Like half of these people, the one that figured this out the best is a movie we'll do at some point in the Rewatchables probably when we're in the 700s. Daylight with Slice Stallone. Sure. Where he's trapped in this tunnel. He breaks into the tunnel to save everybody and they're so fucking annoying. They're like giving him shit the moment he shows up and you just want everyone to die. And I like when they do this. Isn't Paul Guilfoyle in Air Force One like this, right? Where he's like the secretary of state but he's the most annoying guy of all time. Yeah. Who does Rebhorn play? He's like a secretary or something in Independence Day. Yes. He keeps trying to get him to nuke Atlanta. Yes. What's aged the best? We mentioned young Sandy and young Kruka Keanu. The Clooney-Keanu haircut. The buzz. That whole, the buzz. Clooney did it for ER where he kind of pushed it forward but that had a moment. I tried it out. Mentioned the score. Incredible gum-chewing Keanu performance in this movie. Gum-chewing is like a character to kind of figure out what's going on with him. Bullock learned to drive the bus past yet another thing. Didn't actually have a cigarette puff but did drive the bus. Probably one of those days to be like, man, it's so fun to be an actor. I just get to like go practice driving a giant bus. I read that she passed on her first try. Hopper's quote, poor people are crazy, Jack. I'm eccentric. Yeah. Yeah, that's coming up later for me. Yes. Jack's Ford Bronco 1970. How about a former cop with a grudge? Has that ever not worked in a movie? I mean, specifically a former bomb squad cop who's got his hand taken off for a while. I want to cross that guy. Former blank with a grudge. Did that work for podcasters? It's a former failed podcaster with a grudge. Gotta treat CR nicely. I want to find out. Careful with his sixer season. Stop trying to trade him beat on me. CR's furious about the watch 20 years later. All I got was this watch. This is my favorite, I think. The criminal who shoots Sam and is handcuffed to the bus but then they unhandcuff him. By the end, he's like, He's just part of the team. He's like, sorry, I didn't mean to shoot him. are there charges like he shot somebody yeah is the police waiting for him to throw away everything what happens also like what did he do you know stand or get off just as using that as a what's age the best going forward with pop pop quiz hot shot yeah those two things moved into the lexicon for a while pop quiz hot shot had a 20 year run it was crazy yeah all the stuff about Reeves being performing his own stunts Keanu including the Jaguar to the bus jump I never know what's apocryphal and what's not with some of this stuff but it really did seem like he did most of this I was going to ask this some possibly unanswerable questions but how fast do you think the traffic was actually moving so if the bus is going 50 like did you think is it actually going like 35 or 30 like how fast do you think Keanu was going in that Jaguar it looks like he's going 75 yeah it feels like at least 65 I don't know how you could actually do that at that speed with the actual actor I mean he's the star of the movie it had to be slower than that yeah that's why I always wonder as the years pass like yeah he did all his stunts he could kind of just say anything I do do all my research for the rewatchables myself you do yeah I do it shows thanks no help it shows Bill does all his research do you think so Keanu I think is one of the only actors of all time to have a legitimately great action movie in four consecutive decades yeah I think Eastwood is probably in the mix there I couldn't really think of anybody else Ford maybe Harrison Ford yeah Harrison Ford it's like how Charlize Theron has looked fucking smoking hot in a movie for four straight decades same thing because what Cruise doesn't have an 80s one I mean Top Gun is kind of an action movie yeah so he kind of has four yeah Cruise is on the list I'm not sure Cruise is alive I don't know what are you doing Cruise Cruise might just not be he might be did you get a hard no from Cruise are you zagging on Cruise this would be an interesting zag from you is just like I'm out on Cruise in 2026 yeah yeah fuck him I don't want him I want Jesse Plemons to come on for Digger how about that yeah I think I believe a lot of the Keanu stunt stuff because the John Wick guys are like we have to drag him kicking and screaming to do it with stunt guys well it's also like he's like I have chronic back problems from all the fucking times I've fallen off of things yeah I have two more really good ones but what do you have for what's the best I already mentioned the pre-CGI era of action filmmaking and it's just incredible the there is a shot of when Jack and Harry go up on the roof of the skyscraper to attach the elevator to the crane yeah and there's a shot of downtown Los Angeles and you're like they are on top of a fucking skyscraper like this is really happening and it's that kind of verisimilitude or like that feeling of heightened reality that I think movies sometimes miss now so that's kind of aged the best for me also basically people in Venice dress like Jack and Annie now which is just like cool work pants t-shirt probably costs like $500 and then her socks are back in actually I think the little frilly ankle socks if I could pull off Jack's haircut I would do it in a heartbeat that's the most manageable haircut in the universe it's like half of a Caesar do it cut your hair off I should have mentioned you'd like that wouldn't you no I just think it would be cool I want to see you go for like I want you to go blonde for like the next season or something crazy always wanted to platinum I like Jeremy Sohan style Sean's second year at Grantland when he had like the weird beard oh yeah that's fun every once in a while he'll beard up it's pretty cool it's all white now though for the what stage the best on cranes it's been an action movie thing before where they tie something to like a crane or something but then the thing the bolt comes out I love when it when it bends and it starts and it starts bending and it's always it always works the sound design when it bends is just like oh that's not good also just like it's gonna hold it's gotta hold you know alright my two favorite what stage is the best Alan Ruck being in this movie maybe now this whole new appreciation post succession of you're watching it just pretending it's Connor Roy like it's a young Connor Roy taking the bus for some reason and then breaking the phone out being like the con heads would really love this furniture and me on the bus just doing Connor Roy that's one I mean he was Cameron when we saw this movie you know that's he was yeah it was actually like oh my god Cameron he's alive but the what stage is the best for me there's some iconic Keanu line delivers in this movie reach out and take my hand I'm not here for you let's not do this and then when she hits the car the cart cons why do you think he's Arnold Schwarzenegger he just he stopped saying ours and does this weird I don't know what it is and then Harry tell me some good news man those are my four favorites is that a bad Keanu I don't know now I can't unhear it you know like now I'm gonna go back and watch reach out and take my hand so this is actually my weak link of the film is all of Keanu who's punchlines in the movie where he's being given all of these Arnold lines yeah I feel like they probably even dialed him back and he's like but I'm taller and it's like what that's not by like an inch maybe you had to do that in the 90s or when he's like didn't have anywhere to be just then you know like he's or he's like he lost his head you know those are all commando lines what was the elevator one where it's like the only thing that could stop this thing is like the basement the basement yeah I like it can I add a what's age the best yeah I think the premise in the bus would be exactly the same in 2026 like I think it's just still the same situation would happen I think they would have to use 30 miles an hour though yeah the traffic anywhere in Los Angeles would necessitate it it would just the bus would explode but like bomb under the bus how do we stop it if it can't go below 50 miles an hour I'm like I'm not sure modern technology could do anything about that I think it's too complicated Howard should even do below 50 the bomb the bomb the bus goes up or if anybody tries to get off the bus goes up but like making it both things I would almost if I was him be like you know what for entertainment's sake if you can get people off this thing going 50 miles per hour more power to you right I will blow it up or it's like I'll let you one person an hour you can let off how do you decide yes I think Howard I think Howard was fucking insane so I'm not sure that that was really in play what do you have for great Chuck Gordo so I talked about the door scene the car door but there is a shot when Jack comes out of the coffee shop puts his coffee on the hood of his car on the roof of his car camera pans around Jack bus explodes what the fuck how many buses do they have like it's also it's not like shot of Jack explosion in the background cut sees it's the bus explodes in the background of a shot and I also happen to love when the payphone is ringing all of the flames are reflected in the payphone and it's like man Howard's on the phone but the bus exploding is incredible there's two that I really like that are somewhat similar but they show you the scope of the production similar to what Chris is describing one is just when it becomes clear that they have the police escort and it's just like it's a low helicopter shot and you just see the cop cars riding alongside the bus and it's like a moment of calm because like they've at least figured out okay we've blocked off the highways and this is gonna be okay for a minute and then the other one is just the bus going into the fucking jet and then it explodes I remember being like what the fuck that's crazy how did this movie cost 30 million dollars yeah I would have thought that would have cost 30 million dollars how did they do it how did they blow up the jet must have been like a broken jet I don't know I had a I like when Jack and Annie are the only two left in the bus and everybody else gets off and they do that shot of the other bus with all the passengers it's kind of going away and they're all in the window kind of watching them yeah effective that's good where it's like yeah we don't know what's gonna happen uh Chess Rockwell Brock Landers or best character name Sam the bus driver I don't know Officer Jack Traven and Detective Harry Temple is we can't do better in the 90s Jack Traven did Keanu seem like a Jack Traven it's a perfect cop name does he seem like a Jack Traven no he does to me what's his name in Point Break Johnny Utah Johnny Utah yeah he's always got the very short names John Wick Johnny Utah Jack Traven they're all riffs on John was there a better title for this movie was there a better title it was originally called Minimum Speed Minimum Speed Minimum Speed I was thinking about this what would you think if the movie was called Jack Traven and it was the first in a line of Jack Traven movies I think that they were hoping for that after the success of this movie I'm zagging the other way I'm gonna ask you guys the greatest title ever for an action movie First Blood Terminator Die Hard Cliffhanger Face Off Under Seizure Speed I think Die Hard those are seven fucking bangers Die Hard's the best though right Die Hard or Lethal Weapon yeah those are both good The Terminator's a great title though it is how about To Live and Die in LA yeah it's a pretty good good one but those are just great ones I think Speed's a great title what if it was 50 miles per hour or 50 MPH or 50 sure you can't drive parentheses lower than 50 that's pretty good what do you have for Flex it's a book about medals award for the belatedly best quote or exchange for you're fucking crazy no poor people are crazy Jack I'm eccentric real hopper yeah also kind of kind of funny that this bomb squad guy is like class consciousness so yeah I liked it speaking of hopper Hans Gruber scale villain ranking pretty high way up there for me eight and a half yeah Rickman's a ten I think just the fact that Howard is not physically imposing maybe like a point or two down but in terms of his eight and a half feels like the right number what do we have for the Sean Fennessey word for criteria orgasm name on the truck used by the terrorists in Die Hard and Die Hard with a Vengeance is Pacific Courier and the plane destroyed by the exploding bus in speed has the logo Pacific Courier Freight on its side this is an in-joke by production designer Jackson DeGovia that's very funny wow Butch's girlfriend award weak link of the film it's the bus jump but I don't this movie has no weak links oh really you think I think that's a weak link in the movie well it's just I wish it was going up when they jump it's just the physics of it every time you watch you're like alright so I love the bus jump in the original screenplay I think or at least I didn't read it but the accounts of it are is that Harry is the villain that the Jeff Daniels character had that in Unanswerables yeah and at the end of the movie I think you can kind of feel like now we have cause like the movie should kind of conclude with them getting off the bus and then they're like shit we have to go get Howard and they can't just do Jack and Howard so they bring Annie downtown which is like a huge fucking like what are you talking why would you do that so I just think that the weak link is the need for an additional 25 minutes to like settle this movie because it was maybe written with a different villain in mind yeah so yeah I think the first 90 minutes are like perfect the last 20 are good maybe not like amazing like I felt like Howard's whole speech about like bombs need to go off this is what bombs do I was like oh this feels forced a little bit yeah I have some picking nits around that sequence as well what's aged the worst did you have a butcher's girlfriend weak link Sean or no I already mentioned Keanu's punchlines okay but I'm taller okay give me your hand what's aged the worst Dennis Hopper running it's true not as bad as Nicholson running in the department which I watched recently I forgot how fucking funny it was when does he run he runs at the end when they when they have this SWAT thing Nicholson's like has no vertebrae I have a couple more but what'd you have for this Dennis Hopper watching college football on a weekday yeah in the morning it's like come on just ask the sports are could have just cleaned that up for you I had that in picking nits like is he watching highlights because he goes like yeah he's watching games it sounds like he's gambling yeah so he's gambling on tape delayed college football go go when do we think this movie happens it was shot in late summer to December right oh what time of year I think it happens seems like the fall in early fall so it's gotta be because Keanu's got the Baja on when he's but it's it's not on the weekend because they're going to work yeah so it would have to be a Friday college football game that starts at noon PST not likely sports are could have helped out on this in 93 was there a college football game happening at 3 o'clock sports are would have helped out is he watching Mac again he should have been watching Premier League you know Howard's Howard is a fruitcake you know he's just a nut bar so who knows what's going on I text you the guy this I have a counter seemed like a pretty good hang Howard yeah like gambling yeah but had had an early TV set up like an ice cold coke and a sex doll in his yeah is the whole soda thing just so there's that one scene where he pees I think it's so that you also like see his busted hand in action yeah also like you know he got maimed by his duties and didn't feel properly appreciated this is unanswerable but is he deaf in one ear why does he keep holding the phone on the opposite side of his head I know he's got his hand blown off on the other side but why is every time he holds the phone he's holding it like this I gotta say JDB more into blowing up buses than he is being consistent with how injuries affect people over a long period of time I think Harry's leg limp changes a couple of times it does and then he disappears when by the time they do the SWAT team of the house he's like vaulting over a window on a car continuity errors in this movie the stereotypical bus crew Janine Garofalo has a really great half hour that she did in the mid 90s remember this which is on HBO and she does a whole thing about speed about how when they get on it's the most stereotypical and she's like why didn't they just have an Eskimo and an Indian with a headdress but it's like they check every box of who's on the bus in the in like the character-y kind of way is that the same special where she's talking about how much she loves NYPD Blue and she's like the cops they have their badges on the chain and she's like ah fuck that's so hot yeah she's a great special it's really good I highly recommend it Speed 2 with Jason Patrick yeah I had that making a speed movie without Keanu it is one of the most reviled sequels of all time and I think it really hurt Jason Patrick's career oh yeah for sure and Sandy was unscathed I also hate the breakup story where it's like oh I broke up with Jack because he wouldn't leave the bomb squad I'm like Jack being in the bomb squad is why you're fucking here baby like what are you talking about baby Jack's agent yeah you knew what you were getting into baby exactly when you signed up with me baby you were gonna have to share me with the bombers I live my life like Speed 2 never happened yeah I have I don't watch it it's Defoe I remember it's like a really really iconically bad JVB directed it though right yeah okay he had to um my last one from Wikipedia the character of Annie was originally written as an African American paramedic to justify her ability to drive the bus the fuck does that mean keep going because she knows how to drive a large vehicle but why does what is her being black or white matter yeah but wow get to the second part of this you woke down that was gonna be Halle Berry yes I just don't understand like why why it was written that way I don't see color I just thought it was weird that was good Bill's like favorite sub-jobber is black guy white guy hanging out would be like I don't know why does she have to be a black lady well it leads to them trying to get Halle Berry she would have been good she would have been fucking incredible if Halle Berry was in this movie this is 93-94 Halle Berry boomerang uh roughly hand a ribbon and partridge overacting word the crazy lady yeah Helen yeah what do you have for flex it was the same as Chris's but he used it a different way the Jesse Eisenberg that's good you should be proud of that right there don't worry if you don't make it any further award for best line reading which is comes right before when Howard Payne says do you know what a bomb is that doesn't explode it's a cheap gold watch buddy pretty good line Eisenberg yeah he's on a heater did the smartest I just saw a preview with the trailer where it's got the Julianne Moore oh the debut he wrote and directed but he also wrote the lyrics I'm a little nervous another person who's coming for Indy Navarrete's Oscar is Julianne Moore she has one though she does for Still Alice Sierra's favorite movie um Still Alice is good yeah I like that and I like The Father with Hopkins my two favorite my parents falling apart movies oh god interesting we should do Alzheimer's month on the rewatch yeah let me know I'm gonna go to fucking London yeah Still Alice rewatchables would go crazy that's that's really Still Alice drugstore cowboy no my own private Idaho my own private Idaho people still still talking about fucked up family February that was a great month I loved that month yeah I listened when I was in Hawaii I listened to the first half hour of our Kramer vs. Kramer podcast might have been the peak of the podcast I don't think I can do better I don't think I can do better was that Mal who was on that yeah no yeah me Mal and Sean just talking about divorce in profound ways you just learned a lot about all of us yeah that was a good one yeah I like that the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford how does take a word I have a doozy so I'll go last okay I wonder if a lot of really volatile moments between citizens and cops could be diffused if more cops would just say I don't know you man I don't care about your crime whatever you did I'm sure that you're sorry so it's cool now should we just try it yeah let's just see what happens Keanu doing so it's cool now it does feel like he wrote his own lines yeah I'm putting down my gun and my badge yeah we're just two cool guys what do you have Sean this is the last truly great American action movie and we moved into CGI it's no sci-fi no superheroes no fantasy elements no secret societies no mythology pure action you can make the case for Mission Impossible movies you can make the case for The Rock I might make the case for The Rock which I love you could make the case for Ambulance you know which is kind of a similar movie the Michael Bay movie do you think Wick has too much mythology even the first one I do just the high table and all that stuff is way too much so I would offer you a little movie I've seen 10,000 times called Taken as one of the only ones that has kept the legacy yeah they didn't really need CGI that's true Matrix has too much yeah Taken moves nice at a nice which is why it's been such a great rewatch of us. - I would listen to Batman. Bad Boys takes, Mission Impossible takes. I think that makes sense, but this movie feels like it stands on its own. I agree. Well, I'm going true hottest take. Old school definition. Okay. They're better off just letting the bus blow up. Well, I think that. It's 18 lives. It causes $7 billion worth of damage. I don't know. It's a calculation. This is shoot the hostage, take them out of the equation. So that would be. They set it up. Old Jack before he meets the Wildcat is maybe thinking, I'm not going to. What do I care? Or maybe we have to take these people out. He needs to protect and serve. Yeah, he has to protect and serve, but he's got to protect and serve all of Los Angeles, not just a bus. How many billions of dollars of damage from this three hours with the bus? I don't want you on the fucking bomb squad if that's your attitude. Yeah, but I have. That's why this is the hottest take. I have incredible nerve. I don't get rattled. Uh-huh. I don't. Many people are saying, when are you in high-octane. I think he'd be good on the bomb squad. I think Sierra would be. I think he'd be good. In the bomb squad. I wouldn't know anything technical, but I think I'd keep everybody on level. I'd keep everybody happy. We should do a narrative podcast series about Chris training to be on the bomb squad that ends with him dying trying to defuse the bomb. I think you'd be good as the guy asking what's. What do you see under there? Yeah. Green? Is there a green wire? Yeah, yeah. Can you take that out without cutting the wire? I would be good at that part. Thank you. Appreciate it. Who are you in this scenario? Joe Morton? Yeah, I'm like, oh, you got nine lives, man! Casting what ifs are incredible for this movie, including Speed being under development at Paramount Pictures with Jeff Speakman attached as Jack. I can't name a single. Do you know who Jeff Speakman is? Action star, right? He was like a martial arts action star. He was like. The three guys who were. Budget Steven Seagal. But like 99 cent stores. Or like Chuck Norris. The three people who were up for Jack tells you, a lot about what their expectations for this movie was. Well, Stephen Baldwin was one of them. Yeah. And Richard Grieco, right? Stephen Baldwin was having a semi-moment. He was. Like, he's unusual suspects. People. Richard Grieco, I don't. I can't, for the life of me, understand that one. He said he turned it down. Coming off 21 Jump Street? Yeah. Basically. My favorite is when they have these stories when you research them and it's like, it's the biggest regret of my career. It's like, I would fucking hope so, Richard Grieco. Really? Really? Is he. Is his regret not being in this one? That and not doing Summer Stage. And they said there's this urban legend thing about how they wrote the female role as like comic relief and it was going to be Ellen DeGeneres and then everybody's like, that's not true, but it's funny. The Halle Berry thing is true. She said, she stupidly said no, but when I read it, the bus didn't leave the parking lot. And then there's like a million people who were allegedly up for Annie. I don't know what to believe. I think they wrote, like in the movie, in the original script, I think the bus is just like driving around Dodger Stadium or something like that. And it's going to crash into the Hollywood sign. Craig T. Nelson offered the Joe Morton role, but was filming Coach. Couldn't get out. Too bad. You like Coach? Never liked Coach. Did you not like Coach or you just didn't watch it? I just thought it was bad. I kind of liked it. Yeah? I watched it. Jack's sidekick, Carrie, was going to be played by Ed Harris when he was going to be evil and then they pivoted away. That would have been good and then he gets to do that in The Rock. McTiernan said no. Yep. Rennie Harlan said no. Our guy Tarantino said no because he was finishing Pulp Fiction. But has regrets. McTiernan does, is it DH with a V and then Last Action Hero or vice versa? It's a Last Action Hero then DH with a V. Yeah, because I think like DH with a V is almost like the makeup a little bit for Last Action Hero because it didn't perform as well, right? I'm the world's number one Last Action Hero fan. However, I do think if you put McTiernan in the chair on this, it goes from like a 10 out of 10 to a 10.5 out of 10. Oh. What kind of cap aside from his legal issues like it was Medicine Man, right? That kind of capped his career, right? No, like 13th Warrior and he made a basic. He made a bunch of movies that didn't work in a row. Michael Bay wanted to direct banged on the door and he had never directed anything and they were like, no thanks, Michael Bay. I mean, it's probably best that he didn't because I don't know that we would still have Los Angeles. Like he probably would have blown up the 10. And Bad Boys is one year later. Yeah. Joey Pant's award for best that guy is Joe Morton is not eligible. I don't think so. Is Glenn Plummer available? Sure. I think so. He's coming off of Menace to Society and it's right before Showgirls. So he has like a hot run there. Yeah. My pick was Hawthorne James who plays Sam because he is also the security guard in Seven who turns the music up in the library when Morgan Freeman is researching Dante. That's right. That's a good one. That's a great call. I had a David Kriegel who's the guy on the bus with the like slightly longer hair who's like, that's your plan? He was in Alive. Oh, wow. He's one of the guys? He's one of the rugby players in Alive. I have the guy from Blood In Blood Out who's just amazing in this movie. The guy who's like Jack's helper. The gigantor. Yeah. That guy's a home run. Like easily could have spun him off into a second movie. And Fishler too, I guess. And Fishler, of course. Yeah. Loved him. Dion Waiters award. I think I think he's eligible for that as well. Glenn Plummer. Ruck. Ruck, who I think's pretty annoying. Yeah. I have Morton. Yeah, I think Morton's the answer. I do want to shout out Sam the bus driver pre-shooting. Yeah. Don't you start with me, Eddie! He's doing a couple like just generic bus driver lads. Yeah. I'll kick you off this bus right now! He's good. Recasting Couch Director City. I wouldn't touch it. Of course not. Could you pull this movie off in New York City? I don't think the highway thing would work. It would just have to go up and down the FDR, right? Or West Side Highway. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to do a whole Boston thing, but we just don't have the highways in Boston to pull up this movie. Storo Drive. Yeah, it just wouldn't have worked. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of the action set piece of trying to get across you know, the east side to the west side 34th Street and a bus bombing down a New York City street. Yeah, I mean in some ways McTiernan kind of plays with that a little bit with some of Die Hard with Vengeance, but yeah. Flex? Can I do two quick ones? Yeah. Do as many as you want. I want to bring back the old, we used to have an old category called like five word description of the movie. Yeah. I think you can go down to three. I think it can be bus can't stop and there's just a million questions that come from that. Yeah. Why can't the bus stop? Who's in the bus? Who planned that? Like you could get in an elevator with like an executive in 1993 and you're like bus can't stop. I think Die Hard on a bus was the pitch and they were like here's $30 million. You could also say bomb on bus, bomb on bus. Yeah. It's a good call. I'm also going to give Keanu Reeves the Tom Cruise Award for the most valiant attempt to emulate a normal human when he goes University of Arizona, good football team, Arizona Wildcats and Sandra's like, yeah. It's like the mug smashing unusual suspects but he's the Kobayashi. Arizona Wildcats. Arizona Wildcats. There's like Sherlock Holmes. Wildcats. I used to sing in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois. Half-assed research. This was inspired by Runaway Train, Runaway Train, Die Hard and Silver Streak. This ending is very similar to Silver Streak. The train derailing. Silver Streak was a huge deal and just this kind of died. I don't know if it's just not on. Is that Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor? I feel like when I was a kid, Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor were like the peak of comedy duos. Yeah, they made four movies together. Josh Weed, we mentioned. Oh, here's a good one, CR. Jack is transported in Good Hue Ambulance, the same ambulance service used in Heat. That they blow up. See that shit coming out of their ears, Slick? They can't fucking hear. The prosthetic dummy head of Hopper was too realistic when he got beheaded and they had to use a different angle from it because it was too gross. This is really funny. You should mention that. There have been a couple of beheadings on House of the Dragon this season and I feel like it's pretty obvious that they're using very fake-looking decapitated heads because I bet if you really let a makeup guy cook, he's like, I can get you a pretty good-looking head. I just saw From Dusk Till Dawn at the Academy Museum and there's a bunch of decapitated heads in that movie and they all look amazing because it's the best makeup crew of all time on that movie. I think they're taking a little bit off their fastball now. We peaked with Charlie, probably. Hereditary. So good. Just an incredibly bad performance by the brother. Brings Charlie to the party. Doesn't make sure her food allergies aren't. I'll re-hereditary tomorrow. It's still the best podcast I've ever been a part of. It's incredible. It's a great movie. It's where your long-legs voice came from. Oh, wow. Oh, interesting. Here's good research. Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock developed secret crushes on each other during filming. I bet they did. But didn't admit it until decades later on separate appearances of the Ellen DeGeneres show. I don't believe that for a second. They later appeared in The Lake House together? Yeah. Seen that one? I'm going to say they climbed in the ring and went a couple rounds. Climbed in the ring? Yeah. The octagon? I think they laced them up. When you go home today, you should say, Phoebe, you want to climb in the ring? Because remember, they knew each other. Don't share shots, please. They had a history. They had a history because River Phoenix was doing the music movie with her. Ken definitely visited River Phoenix on this episode. at some point so it was probably on the radar. Did he definitely do that or are you just making that up? That's his best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Is CR going to come visit me when I go to New York next week just to say hi? I'd love to but I'm going to be on a lake. Wow. Must be nice. Yeah. Like the lake house. Yeah. Like the lake house, yeah. Like the Fredo Lake? Yeah. Who do you think if you had to hire somebody to take CR out on a canoe on his little lake who would it be? Craig. He'd never believe Craig. I was going to say Dabundo. Hey, buddy. I feel like Dabundo would take him out. Oh, Dabundo would be a great one. So what would that have to be? Like, would I do. He'd know Austin Gale immediately. It would be like, oh, yeah, this is fishy. Yeah. Ray, I can't get out of here. But my crime would be. Austin, what are you doing here? What would my crime be? Like going on Pardon My Take without asking you and then. And then like I'm on vacation. Yeah. No, it might be the crime would be just saying, just the year of CR has gotten too big for him to take him out. That's right. We're going to shoot him in the back of the head. LeBron going to Philly. The Eagles start out 11-0. Like, this is too much. That would be great for the ringers' business, yeah? Just assassinate me. I think the controversy would do wonders. Yeah. You know, we'd definitely be on the chyron on ESPN. Sure. Was Chris Ryan assassinated by Will Simmons? Stephen A is like, that was my brother. I know this is a business and Bill Simmons had to make some tough decisions. But as a fellow Philadelphia legend. Do you think you would be acknowledged by any figures in the Philadelphia sports world? Do you think, like, would Jalen Brown honor you with something on his jersey? Dude, I think the Sixers would wear black armbands for an entire season. If I got fucking killed by Craig Horlbeck. I think Vijay Ejko would go, CR! Every time we fucking talk. I'm mocked. I was just thinking of the next couple weeks. How bad we would be when people who weren't friends with CR did tributes. Like, this fucking guy, this blogger. Yeah, we would be screenshotting tweets and sending to each other. Going back and forth. Look at this guy. What this guy doesn't understand is CR had to go down. CR hated this guy. Oh, my God. I'm not going to name any names. People posted tributes to you who hated you. Brian Curtis writes and now they tell us. Chris had a fucking crippling steroid addiction. All right, let's take a break. This episode is brought to you by Viore. All right, let's talk about a category we appreciate. Clothes that stay in the rotation. Viore earned that spot. Their core shorts, they're good for workouts, travel day, weekend, whatever. And the Strato Tech T, ridiculously soft. It's the kind of gear you keep reaching for because it's comfortable while still looking put together. Get 20% off your first purchase at viore.com slash rewatchables and discover the versatility of Viore clothing. Exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. This episode is brought to you by Sleep Doctor. 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This is our last year before we run out of baseball for about seven years. Seriously. Like, enjoy it while you can. This is our last playoff. I expect you to enjoy it. I'm expecting nine Mets to have been traded during the recording of this podcast. Apex Mountain, not for Keanu and Bullock. I think it is Apex Mountain for diehard ripoffs, even though it's demeaning to call this movie a diehard ripoff. It kind of is. I agree with you. Yeah. L.A. Freeways? I think it's O.J. Cops with a Grudge? Maybe this one. Or L.A. Freeways. The chase in this one is up there with speed. Yeah, that's a good point. Cops with a Grudge? I think there are other cops with a grudge that we could think of. Name one. Big Boy? I mean, does Popeye Doyle have a grudge in French Connection? I guess not really. I mean, my dad. John's dad. John's dad. Good answer. L.A. Buses? Yes. Okay. How about 1994 L.A. just in general? Fucking crazy year to be here. Yeah. It is kind of weird that they made a movie where you're rooting for the LAPD like two years after the riots, though. A little weird. But the Bomb Squad, I think, is like a circumvention of that. Yeah. I was trying to think of other stuff that was going on in L.A. this year in 94. I think the real world, I think it was here. In Venice? Either in 93 or 94. 90210 and Melrose Place kicking. L.A. Law is happening. All the movies were still being shot here. And then you had Speed using all the parts of it. And the OJ thing, which taught people where Brentwood was. People like us that had no idea where anything was in L.A. I don't know. I just felt like it was in the mix in a completely different way. Was this kind of an irrelevant time for the Lakers? It was. It was post-magic. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Dennis Hopper, no, obviously. Jeff Daniels, I think 94 was Apex Mountain. Yeah, you're hearing Dumb and Dumber and Speed. Yeah, this set up like the next 10 years. Did he win an Oscar for anything? He won an Emmy for Newsroom. Newsroom, yeah. I think you can make the case Newsroom misses Apex Mountain. Hmm. Even if that show wasn't good, he was the star of a massive HBO show created by Aaron Sorkin. 10-minute monologues every episode. Movie characters named Annie? Because you could also go Annie from Misery. I think Annie Hall is probably number one. Or you go Annie Hall. Or you could go Annie, the musical Annie. Annie the Musical, that's right. I don't know what the answer is for that. Probably more. Annie, get your gun. Yeah. Easiest cruiser hanks of all time. Cruise. Yeah. In fact, I wonder if Cruise is like I could have done that shit. Do you think he watches? I think Cruise was furious when he saw this. This is interview with the vampire year? Yeah, he is furious. But when he sees Keanu back surfing on that little piece of plywood. I wonder if this pushed him to make Mission Impossible. I wonder if definitely it was like I can't believe I didn't get a call. He's like, I need my diehard. Yeah. I've been messing around with this new category for because we have cruiser hanks, but actresses depending on what the movie is. 1974 Goldie Hawn. 1984 Sharon Stone. 1994 Cameron Diaz or Sandra Bullock. 2005 Scarlett Johansson. And 2021 Sydney Sweeney. Can I get 26 Navarrete for this? Or 26 Navarrete. Is there any? What's the idea? I don't know. What is the category? Who could have beaten Bullock? Like who would be better? You're always asking the good follow-up. Well, I don't know. I think Bullock wins. I think she beats anyone at any point in history for this one. These are all great actresses and they're all hot, but like what do Goldie Hawn and Sharon Stone have to do with each other? I think this would have been a great Goldie Hawn role. I agree with that. That mid-70s Goldie Hawn, like I'm just a fun hang. I'm a little more talented at stuff than you're giving me credit for because you think I'm a ditzy blonde. 74 is like right after Sugar Land Express. Right before Shampoo. Right. I think I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't change anything about Sandra Bullock. Me too. The Edie Falco and Kapoleon Award for the character that got three times hotter by smoking. We'll never know, Sierra. She never lit up that dart. But she puts it out. She just doesn't. We never see her take a drive. We never have her at the station not realizing the bus took off. Nobody did this for Flex. Because it was in the regular categories this time. Oh, yeah. Oh, did I put it in there? Yeah. You did. The Rick, what is his name? Cassetti? Rick Chachetti or did we say? I don't. This is, this is your category and it's amazing. It was the listener category. Okay. Rick Chachetti Guard Meat Award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential but who probably has a spouse and kids who love him at home. It's obviously the elevator security guard in the first scene of the movie. I think there's three people. Who gets fucking ice picked in the ear. The knife in the ear is insane. Poor elevator guy. Hey, do you have a pass? Yeah. Do you have a work order? The bus driver on the first bus, that guy's just going to work. Yeah. And then, yeah, that guy is the, that same actor is the guy. I think he's the other, the detective from Ace Ventura, the police detective who's a bus driver. But the winner is the, the guy in the subway train, the subway conductor. Yeah. Hopper shoots him like 13 times in the back and then laughs. This is an unanswerable, but what's Hopper doing with that like chrome plated AK-47? Those guys, this, we are still in a full like post commando, like everybody seems to have an Uzi zone. Yeah. Pick a nitz. Keanu answering the question. Payphone mentioned. Why didn't he shoot the tires before it got to 50. Just shoot the bus tires. Great one. Spin it out. Great. You can't. That's the best one. Being able to stay over 50 on the highway in Los Angeles for more than 10 seconds. Yep. I defy anyone to try this. Being able to stay above 50 while doing a hairpin turn. Impossible. No way. College football on before 9 a.m. PT during a work week. Keanu stabbing the gas tank and then has to hold on with a screwdriver as we go 55 miles an hour. Also, stinks of gas for the rest of the movie not mentioned again. And then the gas tank just leaks out but lasts 20 minutes. Isn't that thing that gas tank's done in 90 seconds? Harry gets shot in the leg and has a cane but then he's fine and he's vaulting windows. An LA cop in the early 1990s putting his gun and badge down with a suspect who's pointing a gun. That wasn't a great run for the LA cops here from 88 to 93. The explosion of the old lady blows out the front tires of the bus, I think, and the bus crashes. Yes. It's an explosion but nothing else happens to the bus, just a little walkway. And by the way, if he uses, if he blows out that thing again, can't they now get everyone else off the bus? He's already used the bomb. In 1994, you could just take a bus, go through security in the airport and just drive around the runway. So could other people do this? Uh, but furthermore, why wasn't that like the first thing Joe Morton thought of? They're driving around out. Yeah, get to the fucking airport. He's like, the answer is always get to the airport. Yeah, go to the airport, we'll shut down LAX, just drive around in circles. I think they were very far from the airport at the beginning of the movie. Well, he's in Venice at the beginning of the movie, right? That's where the bus starts? Yeah. That's where Andy gets picked up. It's going from Venice to downtown. Oh, and then back. So I guess they are heading downtown, but like, So they go down, they go from Venice to downtown and then back to the airport? Yeah, they get on the 105 and go back to the airport. And then go back downtown. No way they'd be able to do that. I feel like the biggest thing in that part when they pull into the airport is the tire blows immediately when she drives into the airport because she's going over the reverse. Yeah, how's the bus not going? The bus should just like tip over. It's a bus. You can't have a blown tire in that situation. And it blows later in the movie. My answer for all these things at all times, every time I watch a highway chase on Channel 5, Channel 9, or Channel 10, or Channel 11, is go to the fucking airport. Because the copters can't follow you to the airport. And if I'm trying to escape the police, you get to the airport, you get in a parking garage, and then you just take off. And the whole thing with the choppers, the whole thing is just like freedom of speech stuff. Like, why can't police helicopters be like, ground your helicopter. This is dangerous. We need you out of the air. I don't know the rules there. My biggest one is there's no way somebody as savvy as Harry is like, I'm going to go to a cereal bar at a bomber's house. Just waltz in? And go right in and not think that it's booby-trapped. This guy is conducting all of this from Sun Valley is highly unlikely. How do you feel about remote cameras working on a bus in 1994? I've seen a lot of grief about this online. I mean, I'm willing to go with it. I like the tape loop trick that they play on him, though. That's a clever part of the movie. I mean, there's some like broader stuff, too. Maybe this is more unanswerable than a nit, but like, shouldn't they have just paid him? It's like, he's asking for $3 million. Were they even planning? They're planning on paying him. But what are they, like, it would be, what Jack pulls off is a 99 out of 100 impossible thing to do. Just, he's asking for $3 million. Just pay the guy. Well, it costs $3.7 billion of damage, at least, by the end of it. And then, airport to downtown in less than 30 minutes, middle of the day. No way. The collateral route. I don't care what year we're in unless it's 1944. I'll be doing it tomorrow at 5.30 a.m. It'll take 35 minutes. There was also, did you guys notice, like, at the end of the movie on the subway, when Howard's holding the bomb trigger, and he's like, you gotta keep your hand on this, and then he gives it to Annie, he's like, ah, you're too hysterical, give it back to me, he's holding it. But then, like, 10 minutes later, he has two hands on an Uzi. I totally agree. Where is it? Did he turn it off? No, he's, I look for this, he's holding it the whole time, but it's a little unrealistic. He's fighting Keanu. Where's the bomb trigger? But he's always holding the trigger. Maybe he can turn the safety on it. Keanu takes it from him. So he's holding it? Right as he's getting beheaded, he grabs it from him. I believe he's two-handing the Uzi into the roof. There's also a lot of, like, door close, but then there's an explosion, and when the door's open, like, there's continuity problems all over. Like, Keanu breaks the door. I mean, the biggest one by far is when he's fighting with Jack on top of the train, he doesn't have any paint on him. He's opened up the bag, and he gets the paint all over him, and then when he's fighting him and he gets beheaded, he has no paint on him. Him being like, I got this. I'm gonna go fist fight a 30-year-old cop with one hand? Yeah. That's my final play? And somehow, all of these nitpicks. I'm not bringing the gun? All of these nitpicks don't pass the bunch, don't pass the bus jump. That bus making it that far. None of them matter. And guess what? We've seen this movie so many times, the more nitpicks you have, that just means you've seen the movie more. Yeah. Well, also, just like the fact that it takes so long for Howard to get the news that the bus is blown up at the airport, like, the news would've been on that instantaneously. Even if there are no copters there, that would've been reported. There would've been a cop on the phone with the news in a second. How many months do you think we would be forwarding tweets and tributes about the late CR to each other that enraged us that people died on that? I have been making a list in my mind of the 20 people who would send disingenuous tweets trying to honor him as if they knew him. Like, there's so many people who would be like, Chris and I once shared a beer in an alleyway. There wasn't a nicer and more genuine guy than Chris Ryan. He just did it for the passion. Who would trigger you? Like, J.D. Vance? You didn't know him, man! You know? There'd be a lot of stolen valor from me and Bill. Yeah. Me and Bill Stanton. Me, Bill, and Greenwald. We've been on Team CR deeply, more profoundly than anybody, and that's why we have to kill you. We gotta get Andy in on this plot to get you killed. Dabundo's our guy. Yeah. He'll never suspect it. Anthony, what are you doing here? On this lake? I just want. It's not vacation! We're gonna talk gambling. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. They did make a sequel. And it was bad. And can I just suggest what they could've done? It wouldn't have been as good. For speed, too? Just for. How about Bomb Squad? Just a spin-off. My idea was Howard Payne prequel, Bomb Squad in Atlanta. Oh. I would just watch a Joe Morton movie. Like, Joe Morton with two new guys who have replaced. Who have replaced Harry and Jack. He's like, you got big shoes to fill. You know? I have an important question, but I can't ask it to the two of you because your answer would be yes. Okay. Craig? Craig, I think, is a better litmus test, but his answer's probably also gonna be yes. They. When's the next big movie thing where they announce stuff? What would that be like? An event? CinemaCon, you mean? What's the next one where they announce? Probably not till next April. CinemaCon, yeah. We just had Comic-Con. Isn't there a convention in September? There's a New York Comic-Con in September. What's the film festival? Isn't there, like, there's a Disney one? There's Telluride. There's a D23 or whatever, the Disney thing. Is that happening this year? In August. Yeah, okay, D23. Next film festival. They announce Speed 3 is happening and Keanu and Sandra Bullock have signed up. Mm-hmm. Is that an immediate ongoing? Is it like a heat two situation? Or do you have fear and apprehension? Are they bus passengers? Like, what are we. That's all we know is Speed 3. I'll go see it. Is JDB. Is JDB involved? We don't know anything other than Speed 3 and Keanu. Yonder Bond is still alive, but he is 83 years old. Okay. And he hasn't made a film in over 20 years. I. It's Yon Jr. I'm trying to think of who would I actually be fired up. Like, if it was Chris McQuarrie, yeah, I would be down. What if Speed 3 was they actually end up with each other and they're married? It's a domestic drama about their family? It's a little like The Lake House. But. But something happens and now they're in peril. It's like Howard Payne's son. Work with me here. They're married. They've gotten back together after Speed 2. Now they're in their dotage. They're on a road trip because the marriage is on the rocks. So they go on a road trip to try and save things. He gets on the highway, goes above 50, a little light goes on, and then he gets a phone call. It's Howard Payne's son. It's Howard Payne Jr. He's like, you killed my dad. Now it's time for you. Now you and your wife can't slow your Tesla down to below 50. If the battery goes below 60%. And if the battery. Yeah. They're driving to go to their daughter's wedding. It's about an EV. What if it's like Father of the Bride crossed with Speed? EV IL. They're throwing a wedding for their daughter at a location. Played by Indian Avarese. Oh, come on. Why are we wasting our lives doing podcasts? It's on a ferry going from Boston to Martha's Vineyard. So we have another crack at Speed 2 because it should have worked. While we're talking about this, though, I was thinking about how the best person to kill CR would be Juliette Lipman. That he would never fucking see that coming. You're thinking about this that too much. He would be so excited to see Juliette. The best person. Wesley's the best person. You'd never suspect Wesley. I mean, I would never suspect you. You would, though. You would. It would make sense as you were dying. You know the look Jeff Daniels had when the bomb went off? It was always you, CR. Yeah. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted Levine, or someone else? You missed CR debut Jon Bernthal from The Odyssey in this category. Made a layup for it. yeah for Obsession would you run it back for me did I do it from Obsession yeah I mean no let me tell you a story about a man about Freaky Nicky I was gonna in honor of Hopper how about if Frank from Blue Velvet was in this movie but just if he was bartending when the Bomb Squad is having celebration drinks and he's like Heineken fuck that Pabst Blue Ribbon Frank Booth is good Frank Booth could go on the list do you wanna throw some Barney in here so what part is Barney is Barney on the bus what if Barney was Jack it sounds like Barney's just one of the passengers he's like I need everybody to go to the right side of the bus and Barney's like hello Jack we should do a movie character draft of people you'd want on the speed bus oh my god yeah Barney just one Oscar who gets it obviously sound what about Jan de Bont come on Best Director show some love giving it to him over Tarantino Hopper never won a competitive Oscar only nominated once who won Best Supporting Actor this year this was 94 yeah oh it's a Travis Durex it was supposed to be Sam Jackson yeah it should have been Sam Jackson's Oscar terrible it was Jules probably unanswerable questions um you mentioned earlier in the original script Harry was the bad guy is this a better movie if Harry's the bad guy I don't think so I like what they did I think it's I think it winds up being great the way it is I agree you agree with that Best Yawn Ever Yawn de Bon or Yawn Hammer who's your favorite yawn if you could if you could only how do you feel about including Good Son dropping one yawn what about getting a Jan in there too cause you had Jan Michael Vinson yeah I think it's a yawn try to think of who the best who was the more important yawn for you CR mine is yawn what about Jan Vesely I gotta say I think I think Jan de Bon is a little bit bigger for me than Hammer Hammer great contributions but Jan de Bon directed speed and twisters it is true some good shot die hard and these are great points and flat liners yeah he's probably more important kind of shaped my 90s all those are German possibly unanswerable questions yeah what's the hierarchy of the bomb squad there's a lot of like Colin Audibles a lot of guys just kind of doing their own offensive coordination yeah but you know what I mean where it's just like I know no selling Sadler I'm sorry it took me a second but like Max in charge but like Harry and Jack are like we're just gonna do this we're gonna tie our crane to the elevator sometimes you gotta improvise make choices what CR wasn't just a great writer and a great podcaster he was an even better person who the fuck is this guy CR didn't know him I learned so much from CR I loved when they just let him cook I hope every month is CR month everyone knows that the really great CRs on music exists but most people haven't heard it but I heard it when it came out I subscribed to the rewatchables 1999 just to hear CR's thoughts I got a luminary sub a week a week and a half later awful announcing runs a hit piece yeah Bill Simmons never did Hunt for Red October does he? because you regret it now CR died in vain he never got to do Aliens yeah I had one more so he's like why did CR keep liking these Sophie Cunningham tweets I want the forensic analysis after your death of your socials yeah yeah we're definitely hacking his passwords my only other answer was how far in the movie are we in before Jack realizes he needs to get off the bus not to save the pastors but because of how hot Annie is he might have sex with Annie that night I think we're like 40 minutes in I think it's like you can tell when he moves past Harry so quickly because he's just like the thing is I'm getting late tonight yeah except Matt Annie memorabilia you'd most want from the movie the bomb trigger stick gold watch gold watch I was thinking about how every time I did Metz Corner on Zach's show I would want to wear Jack's earpiece from the opening sequence you see the earpieces that they're wearing in the bomb squad those are awesome one of the buses from the film yeah auctioned off in 2018 for $102,000 whoa wow where do you put that thing in a museum or like in a like on a studio lot tour just outside your house it's a weird thing to own it's like I saw this thing online about Jerry Seinfeld has the world's best Porsche collection he's got like 70 vintage Porsches and they're on this giant glass warehouse that's cool yeah for what one seems fine takes a ride over to the warehouse and it's like I'm going to drive the 63 today it's weird I never understood that level of collection you're surrounded by thousands of movie posters yeah but he gets enjoyment from these he gets to look at them every day Jerry Seinfeld can't John Belushi right there that's him can't drive John Belushi around Coach Finstock Mr. Miyagi Award best worst life lesson luck runs out sooner or later guts only get you so far little cousin of Miami Vice yeah time is luck 20th and I thought maybe I'd get a call this week about a revise like a surprise revise I put the three and a half minute scene of them on the boat going to Cuba yeah he goes and straps the seatbelt on her and she's kind of like it's like a very sexual seatbelt scene might be the number one sexual seatbelt scene Gong Li Gong Li is just they just had a vibe sexual seatbelt power rankings good title for a movie best double feature choice CR I'm gonna go Die Hard which is pretty I had Die Hard as well I had Die Hard as well what do you have Transformers who won the movie this is a really tough one I think it's Keanu I think it's Keanu as well there's a case for Bullock you're going Bullock I had Bullock because I think Keanu was already a star and I think Bullock had had some bites at the apple I just love how they never have to shoot around him and it's just like his running is good all his action shit is so believable and cool and you never have to like cut around like oh but he's not gonna run across the street into a plane do you think is he your number one draft pick for just a cop in a movie like this I think he actually he might be my favorite action star ever he's on the short list who's he going against I don't know Arnold Sly they're so different the styles are so different you know like I really love Cruise anytime Cruise has to go running somewhere I'm interested I want to know what's happening how tall is Keanu Reeves he's tall I think he's like 5'10 5'11 6 feet yeah what's he listed at 6'1 so I think the thing with Keanu I think that's big you can feel his athleticism and his physicality the only thing limiting Cruise is you can feel he's a little short you can just feel that when you watch him so what quarterback is Keanu like Baker Herbert no Herbert's huge but relative to action stars it's all about relative to action stars oh sure like a 6'1 movie star I think Keanu is like a Mahomes 6'4 quarterback sure I think he's like Mahomes-y where he can do different things depending on what the situation is Keanu yeah like Mahomes can have those playoff games when he just rushes 14 times if you put Keanu in the wrong movie or the wrong part like he can't really do anything with it whereas like Mahomes I feel like you could put Mahomes on the Panthers tomorrow and it would be incredible you couldn't put him on the 25 Chiefs I'll tell you that much there you go 6-11 have some Tom Brady never went 6-11 are you okay? I feel like just saying it's been a really interesting watching the Celtics humiliation ritual with you like you've been going in a lot of directions you've been I feel like you're testing the boundaries you've been a little spiteful we're fine still waiting for the Paul George press conference is that coming? the welcome to Boston Paul George right is that happening? week 3? week 4? can I ask you a question? yeah because I'm not going to see you for a while I'm going on vacation I was listening to you and your dad you guys were like circling back to the regular season you were talking about you know 156 games is there any part of you that thinks that maybe like the regular season doesn't matter at all now in the NBA? I mean that was that was a constant podcast subject the last couple years but so why it's almost like two different universes but you've been you were hanging your hat on how much you value Jalen because of how well he did in the regular season I just like when guys show up for work like CR that's right until you kill him until CR is killed by to bundle Lake Tahoe yeah okay I was just curious I was listening and I was like I watched the Knicks they were kind of uninspiring during the regular season and then they won it's the conundrum of the NBA now is you build one team for the regular season and then another team for the 10 weeks which is going to be the issue with with Philly with here we go with LeBron and Embiid having to play yeah I'm just asking if we can see it a little bit first before we start trading people hypothetically to other teams okay yeah if Joel Embiid wins a title as a sixer yeah is that significantly more meaningful than if he's traded for Anthony Davis or something yeah yeah what were your speed takes that you didn't say yet just like the platonic ideal of a movie like this is just all you want in a movie I would pick Sandra as the winner she's probably my number one draft pick 90s actresses. Number one. I kind of love a Sandra Bullock. I think I'm in there too. Like, Julie Roberts, like higher ceiling, but a little more in B-dish actually. She does, she plays a normal person really well. Julie Roberts is like an alien. Sandra Bullock plays a normal person really well. And I do feel like this movie hinges on her ability to convey emotion well. Yeah. Like you feel the stress of the situation through her. Yeah. Because Keanu's calm. Everybody else is kind of in the background. And she is so good at like when she sheds the tear and like when she freaks out when the woman falls out of the bus. Yeah, I don't even know if we really did the can scene, but she's so good when she thinks she's hit a baby carriage or like. Clearly just a kind person. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you gave her a nomination for this movie, I wouldn't blink at it. I think she is so good. Like her, just her face feeling emotions and it is amazing. I think it's a harder part because it could also just be a nothing part or just like a hot girl part. But she actually brings more to the table. Also just like other great L.A.s. Like ending at the Chinese theater, you see the CVS ballerina clown in Venice at the beginning of the movie. Yeah. There's just great stuff like that. It's awesome. It really does use everything but the beach. The beach is the only thing we don't see from L.A. It's too bad that they didn't end like the two of them sitting on the Venice boardwalk being like, wow, crazy day. And then she fucking lights up. The only thing that's the other like redundant move is like at the very end when they're like in the subway and they're like, the track isn't finished and you're like, we just did that. Yeah. It does set the record for the tracks not finished. I don't love that either. Yeah. But it's great. To your point about the practical effects stuff, like I feel like no one now because of the Odyssey, everyone's like talking about that stuff again, rightfully so. But it's so good that you can't have CGI in this movie because they would have, it would have been like, awesome, we can make it even bigger. And the fact that, yeah, there's cars flying up in the air and stuff. In fact, like Keanu would probably be like 50 feet in the air flying in something if you had CGI. The fact that it has to stay as grounded as it is because of what, like the limitations of what you can physically film. The only thing we forgot to mention was the bomb on the bus paper flying off and then landing on the windshield. Another great gimmick. This movie just had great ideas. Great ideas always win, Sean. You know, you reminded me of one other take that I had that I'm going to share with you as soon as I pull it up. It was related to this and it was in a different category. It's not about CR's death? No. I'm happy to keep going on that though. I really enjoy that, Jag. Okay, hold on. I was a struggling writer in 2012 and I sent Grant Lynn an application and CR sent me a really nice note saying, keep it up, man. He'll be missed. We fucking love it when an original genre movie comes out of nowhere. This is one thing I wanted to say. So, what happened this year with Obsession is also what happened with Speed, which is just like, what the hell is this? Who is Sandra Bullock? This happened with the six-year-old Sixth Sense. It happened with Alien. It happened with Get Out. It happened with The Terminator, Inception, Pulp Fiction. When an original movie, Weapons was an example of this. You're like, I've never seen this before. Usually there's one or two people you've never seen before in the movie and you're like, God damn, we can still do new things. Yeah. That's the best thing at the movies in my opinion. Get Out was a good example of that too. Yeah. What is this? What's happening? This movie also makes me think about, I think, the current space for action movies is kind of weird right now because the superhero stuff took over all that and now that's kind of slowing down. Wick and Bourne and Mission are all kind of slowing down and it's like, there's no real big action movies that are made. They're also like, they've gotten so over-leveraged on the CGI stuff that it's like, there's never any real feeling of stakes in these things anymore. There's no action stars being minted. There's no new diehards, no new speeds. There's no big original action movies anymore. I thought you were streaming, the streaming movie star thing was really interesting that you did with Amanda where you were talking about Alan Richson. Yeah. Alan Richson in 1997 would have been an insanely big star and he actually is a really big star but only in one way. Yeah. Like only in On Reacher or in the Netflix movie War Machine. The other thing we didn't mention, well, two things about the movie Big Picture and then we'll wrap up but one was moving it up to June then basically shifted the whole summer movie schedule which we've talked about before. Yeah. Because these were supposed to come out in July and August and then all of a sudden now they're coming out in May and they're trying to get the first jump and stuff like that. The other thing is like the Netflix and Amazon all these people making versions of Speed but for a streaming movie. Like what was that Jason Bateman airplane movie? With Taron Egerton. Yeah. He's the carry on air traffic or security guy. So these were getting ripped off for I don't know 10, 12 years with like phone booths and the cell and not the cell. What was the phone call movie with? Halle Berry. There was a movie she was like working the when a stranger calls? No. Is it One Missed Call? I think it's The Call. The Call. The Call. Movies like that where it's like just this premise and we go and it feels like they've moved to streaming. Yeah. And they're just it's always like the DNA of this movie and Die Hard and a couple others. I also think this is like a big cell phones smartphones kind of killed a lot of attention in these. It's like really hard to be like so you like I could just Google who you are while this is happening. You know what I mean? You would just be like Howard Payne is this. Oh shit. You know? We got him! CR pleasure as always. I hope you keep kicking it for another 50 years. Yeah I hope I make it through this lake now. Wait isn't the line reading that's our scumbag! That's what we're going to say when CR goes down. Sean have fun on vacation. Thank you. I look forward to being on the flop draft. Yeah. Let's get you in there. That I've invited myself to. Craig fantasy football show. We're heating up. Drafts coming. Drafts are coming. A lot of drafts at the end of August. I know. Yeah. You guys getting ready? Yeah. Am I doing it? It's up to you. You're doing it. You're fucking you're going to be there. I think I responded maybe to the invite. You did. You actually responded yes and then switched it to maybe? Wait because you were thinking about how you were treated last year? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which was unfairly and rudely. But you know what? Didn't finish in last. I finished in last. How sweet would it be if you came back and won? Am I allowed to have You're on team now. You're on team. That's right. All right. Thanks guys. Thanks Bill. This episode is brought to you by the movie Mutiny. Only in theaters August 21st. Jason Statham stars in Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of Plane. When an international conspiracy turns deadly, Statham goes off the grid on a one-on-one one-man mission to take down those responsible. If you're a fan of The Beekeeper, The Meg, or The Expendables, this is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in. 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