Spain wins the World Cup, but did FIFA favour Argentina?

This is Infocus The Hindus, current affairs, broadcast For this kind of football like we saw all through the excitement and the kind of play drama and all the kind of stuff very good high level Final is one of under delivered. What did you make of how Argentina performed over the course of this tournament? And what can you tell us about the style of play that they have that is you know so particular to the steam and this nation deserved winners. Spain should have won if Messi had done in the last 10 minutes something and they did come close to an equalizer later on Difficult times for Argentina to say goodbye to what is clearly one of the greatest players of all time Hello and welcome to another episode of the Infocus podcast. I'm your host today Rubin Jojo's of After a month and a half of exciting action the FIFA World Cup culminated in a rather uncharacteristically Tepe final as Spain beat Argentina 1 0 thanks to a great team goals scored by Ferran Torres The Spaniards were deserved winners for not only outclassing the Argentinians But also for a dominant campaign where they exhibited collective brilliance on today's episode We'll be discussing how this team was built and what the future holds But also something that is hotly debated did referees at this World Cup favor on his up Argentina and does the theory of FIFA's hand in it pulled water is the team justified in in what is being called as dirty football as some perceive it or Just another expression of playing the game that their national supporters approve of to discuss all of this I have on the show today the journalist and author Sandeep menin who has extensively covered Indian football for years and is a is a historian of sorts Sandeep I know you wanted Asian and African teams to do well this year That didn't happen but thanks for coming on the show again. Thanks for having me. Yeah, Asia Asia had a poor show African teams at least you know they got into the knockouts. I think nine of them did Of the 10s. Yeah, that was but then but then only Morocco got past that round the San Miguel will look back on it as a very law very bad loss chance right they were comfortable and for them to lose that game But yeah, and Japan also played really well against Brazil Eventually didn't get out of line, but yeah, this is a point information sites But yeah, otherwise African sites can go play really well cover their purpose of the nation. So the world rather So good things are bad but at the end what I was interested in is Probably some of the worst sites were actually European sites right Jack red public who I remember being A decent team and I was growing up was really poor maybe you can add turkey who had a very good squad At least in the Yeah, some in some losses yet today we'll be dealing with the two workup finalists It was a you know largely unspectacular final unlike the rest of the tournament Spain through to their nature was you know patient and eventually rewarded for tactical and you know even technical superiority against an Argentine team that was Was was more physical to say the least did you enjoy that That's news festival was the half-time show more entertaining. I did not was the half-time show. I had to take Like a shower to wake myself up because that That match was very boring It it reminded me of the old finals you know 2006 or 2010 Spain versus Netherlands final maybe in when the Germany Argentina final of 2014 the last two finals with that you know high scoring and stuff like that exactly And I wonder if Spain makes other teams play like this because Netherlands also played very physical and quite dirty final that day I'm a lot older than him. Is that infamous kick on shadow along so Nigel D'Angre. Yeah, I am a lot older now. So staying up is not as easy as before So yeah, but no the final was for this kind of football that we saw all through The excitement and the kind of play drama and all the kind of stuff very good high level Final is a lot of under delivered But then that shows that football is not entertaining right? It's you to people try to package sport as entertainment But sometimes sport is boring because sport is Some it's sport. It's in its own category there is it is entertaining and sometimes and sometimes it is not also What did you make of the performance? So it was it was a very Typical Spanish performance, but also Argentina didn't Live up to the expectation of you know of being a world champion And it was the first team ever to you know not have a shot and go in 90 minutes. I guess in one way it makes sense Spain is so good at controlling the ball and monopolizing the ball That they are able to receive ball in very tight spaces and move it along and they have great structure They have great Sort of chemistry that has been building to the team over the last three two three years for sure Atnantil Lewis Telefonte and if you really look at some of the Historically Lewis Telefonte has come through you know coaching the young age group teams and then to the national team So his under 19 team I think in 2019 2015 who won the euros had marino on ice somewhere on ice him on rodry And then the next generation which he didn't coach had a recursion for Antares all these people and the same Group then had the under 21 euros in 2019 where Luis De La Fonte coach see had a nice him on Fabian Ruiz Micheal Marino Danny all more as a ball So this group has sort of come and playing together for such a long time. There is a great Efection what if you look at Argentina as a whole their whole campaign they played football very good football when they had to So we'll go on and down or two and a down and certainly they have to come back in clutches American say yeah When they played against England like you know they it's easy to write them off saying or Argentina was fouling everybody and You know nasty things and blah blah blah To be fair they were doing some niggly fouls and some hits and all the kind of stuff also in the back But when they wanted to play football they really played good football I can see England can have no complaints of losing that game because Argentina basically won that game So they kept doing this over time and you always felt like they were waiting for messy to have that one moment in the last 10 minutes where He's seen the picked for you know 80 minutes now he knows where everybody is and he'll find his pace usually on the right side of The field and then he can make a difference and that never happened because pain is just they just didn't give him the ball And Argentina has no not a great transition team this time Because I don't have the pace and without messy they all have to drop really deep So to get back up the field on transition is not easy and Spain is so good at stopping transition as we saw against France I mean that was for me the the best game France versus pain Because the level is so high and Spain just and you thought France could beat everybody thought Could beat them with the front line that they had then get a sniff They didn't play dirty. They played very calm and composed and everything So based on their performance and the sort of collective nature that has been built This evolution as they say of say tiktaka football stay one you know all conquering side right 2008 2012 Yeah, and then 2010 World Cup so I I wanted to ask you about that so we had 2010 which was you know the pinnacle of tiktaka football How how you know Vincent Del Bosque really built that team and it was you know a lot of Barcelona influence and all of those things that at that time Guardiola at Barcelona and how that translated into the national team How is it different this time because it's still tiktaka at some level But also it is sort of evolved. It's a little more direct. It's it's a you know they they rely they gave their attackers more to do This time with more goals also is that is that the evolution that tiktaka has had over the last 20 years Yeah, I think you look at their Euro performance are they one the verticality that you know Luminium all and Niko Williams provided With the directness you know on the wings that was a huge change then Of unfortunately, Yamal was not fit and he got fit through the tournament and Niko Williams only Again didn't play as much as he could have or should have that we expected because again he was coming back from misery Although they made a great impact with that assist in the World Cup final as well So their transitions are much faster. They are little bit more direct I think the next Unisimmon is the next level in goalkeeper like Eker Cassius is probably a better keeper in terms of shortstopper but Because Unisimmon is so good off the line. They can play a really high line right kubasi and they all stand up And anytime there's a ball in behind this guy is on it. He smothers immediately messy had a half chance in the Semi final also there was a ball over the top and he immediately takes care of it So that gives them so much sort of fate. It's a sort of like a manual lawyer kind of sweeper keeper. Yeah I feel like it's even better than manual lawyer from From a charging perspective. I'm not saying he's a better passer and all the kind of stuff but That way this little more improved on on on the digita that we saw and what I really like is when you hear The elephant way or your Audrey or any of these people talk they feel like part of a family They feel really close because a lot of them have played together for you know age group teams and come through And age group aims in Spain has done well as well. So these guys are just sort of coming and Uh You have a young boy like kubasi just come in so assured and accomplished in the ball You can't press them him or la portefeuille that matter and they're not losing the ball and they had great options down the off the bit. I mean the if you look at the 2010 they probably had bigger stars right. Chari, India star, Chabilanzo, Torres, Viyad, Aadavid Silva, all these people, big big stars. No not many people might think of Arant Torres or Fabian Ruiz or Oya Thabali, even as these great players, Danny Almo. But they all are really really good and they all different traits right. So you need you got in Pedri and Merino, Pedri is slightly different from the other midfielders they have. You know, Rodri is one way, Pedri is another way. Gavi wouldn't play as much whole other style. So you could take off a let's say you could take off Rodri and you could bring in Ferrant or Ace or Tabi and Ruiz or somebody who will be a little bit more direct. No Danny Almo came into the squad and played that great role in between sort of knitting things together. Oya Sabah is coming in and then Oya Sabah is very creative. He was in the final 30. And when he's leaving the next striker comes in he's more direct. Niko Williams is direct so that when the left finger, Banega, I forget his name. The left finger who played there when he comes. Baina. Yeah, Baina, sorry. When he comes off, Niko Williams is a little more direct. So they had such great opportunity to make changes depending on what the game needed. Do you need somebody to control? Do you need somebody to stretch? Do you need all these things? So I think as a team, they were clearly the best team. It's an agitated one goal. Phenomenal, right? I remember the 2016 Italy that won. I think they considered one own goal and one penalty or something like that. It's even fantastic. So unbelievable. And like Marino is not a major part of Arsenal. But he comes and scores big goals. A lot of these bit part players came and even someone like Ferrant Torres who is ridiculed a lot for not finishing and doing things like that. But just note also I think we Indians like to point out to the Indian connect of how Ferrant Torres was the star of the 2017 FIFA under 17 World Cup over here. But yeah, on the most serious note, he was someone who really had to prove himself if this work up and it's an incredible story. Yeah. He was saying how he was after that goal, he scored and they were checking it out. Yeah, against Saudi Arabia. Yeah. Let's be a good person. Yeah. Because he was that desperate and for him to come and score a new later on in the current whatever is coming from Spain, they're celebrating and Rodri calls on him saying he's such a big player and such an important player for us and a big fan. Yeah. I am a big fan of him and so on so far. That atmosphere of the family, if a like this whole thing is very, very important. Even their defense, right? Pedro Boros was in Tottenham. Tottenham had a really bad season. And he also had a bad season. Yeah. Kokorea anyways, always been a very good player. Rodri, Yamal, Niko Williams, none of them were properly fit. They started playing their way into fitness. Fabian Ruiz missed most of the season with Ruiz. So they had all these and Unai Simon also, there was a huge debate in England saying how can Raya not start? I can't ask you because Unai Simon does something so fundamental for that for that team. And before the first, this is the most amazing thing. Before the first game, everybody is complaining or saying, oh, this is not right. Our team is not good or team, right? In Spain, the discussion was about getting a tattoo of Luis de la Fonte. If he wins the World Cup, can you get a tattoo or will the players get a tattoo? That was a discussion. So it was a very different vibe for them, the whole tour of the game. They did play well. They didn't win. Scott some complaints for that. But then the team, you know, Cabo Le showed that they are no mugs. Absolutely deserving. Now coming to Argentina, they are the reigning champions. They displayed incredible heart and spirit to reach the final. As we always see with the Latin American teams, every knockout game was a thriller and they looked largely they looked largely sapped and sort of without energy for at least the first half of the final before they really started to sink their teeth in and be more physical. Yet, without a sight of gold like how we mentioned earlier, before we get to the referring decisions or rather the controversies that people talk about now, what did you make of how Argentina performed over the course of this tournament? And what can you tell us about the style of play that they have that is so particular to the team and this nation? So Argentina football has always had, like if you want to go a little further behind and talk about the history a little bit, they've always had this to argue like fight for Argentina's soul, football's soul, and this Atlanta, which is beautiful passing and all those kind of say when the other extreme. So when they win in 78, they believe that is the right way to play but then things don't go well so they go the other way and then they win again and then things don't go well. So this sort of amalgamation is what we saw this time I think because that is a team who could really play well and Argentina is one of those countries where the football's importance is really really overblown. That sport means a lot more than to people there than to many many other places. It's easy for us to just equate it and say it's like a religion when we talk about cricket in India but it really is probably a bigger religion there like it's like a air that you breathe for a lot of people there. So in that sort of mythology and sorry mythology and a identification of players and these kind of melting pot that you are coming from it's if you look at the style of football they played it was not great. They slowed things down and then they have this very short quick interchange of pass and try to get everything goes through sort of messy. Sometimes it does get frustrating when I was looking at them playing and they're always looking to find messy. Even if there is another pass and to 90% of the time you give it to messy it's the right pass but in the other 10% maybe some of them should you know look at other options also that that was maybe something they could have worked on but when they really want to play well they play well. For most of the game they go around kicking people and nudging people and committing fouls and talking and trying to get sent off every single so you see the collectiveness in them right. Any single foul against an Argentina player, brain, bench and everybody's jumping out. Every time they win everybody's running and you know it's a different type of collective effort compared to the Spain. That all matters because you're putting pressure on the officials and the overtime it wears thin you know either it wears thin on the official and it gives you a card or the official is sort of like getting you they can do that pressure is biting and chewing on them eventually things go their way a little bit so game management is very important there and they didn't I don't think they ever played nice football other than when they really really had to this is what I keep saying they could have but they didn't for whatever reason maybe they didn't have the players couldn't do it for 90 minutes you know a lot of them are older now rotary go the ball and see they all of them can't do it like that. This pretty much the same team who played like four years ago right. But what is also interesting is you know they had Niko Paz and these kind of next generation of players who I had a lot of expectation from this World Cup hardly so any minutes but nobody complained you all when England is playing you're there's oh in a Kobe Manu should have played or Phil Fordon should have gone this kind of things that keep happening here that was not a point of discussion at all whoever is playing they are playing even the substitutions are predictable one left back the one wing back goes and it's the camping back comes Laothara Martinez will come we know what is going to happen so eventually I try a Barry Glendonine from the Guardian said they did enough you know as it and eventually it reached a point that they just didn't have enough they did enough again the semi final in the quarter final is Kabawe or the award England against Egypt they did enough to win but that blood and thunder and passion and fight and all it fell short in the end because just as much as these guys are a family Spain is also a very tight knit group but in a very different sort of way and they were probably the best football team as a whole and these guys are really good team maybe not as good a football team so I think that's where fundamentally it went wrong but fair enough right I again as I keep saying deserved winners Spain should have won if Messi had done in the last 10 minutes something and they did come close to an equalizer later on once they started playing in the final second half of injury time extra times when they started really playing they didn't come Messi finally got a tatsum and he had a box and Aaron was like what is this the moment it's just that this question is good there are they did they not try to play that way or were Spain so good that they didn't allow them to play that way because Spain made France look pedestrian so they have that ability to make really good teams with pedestrian and really solid defensive absolutely and they made that that's look very pedestrian just about 18 they played they made them look pedestrian so yeah okay so so clearly you know there were a lot of fouls like you mentioned and opta had the stat that said in in the 140 141 minutes and 58 seconds of match time between Argentina's last show shot against England in the semi-final and their first shot in the final, they considered 25 fouls. Now there's been a lot of criticism of how the team plays, particularly in the snark outs. This is a loaded question, but do you think that referees and FIFA favour Argentina through the tournament by not booking players enough, not showing enough red cards, bending the rules, all these sort of allegations that have been thrown at Argentina? So I'll say this in two different heights, which are the answers this people are going to be upset. So the FIFA bit, I don't think there was any favouritism per se towards Argentina. There is generally a propensity in football that people who constantly watch the game, right? They are aware that big teams get away with more. Now that can be machinated under Alex Ferguson, when they used to get away with more, R&B Chelsea under Jose Mourinho, RALMATRID, every Champions League they say RALMATRID is getting a lot of calls there, Barcelona used to get a lot of calls there. So this has always happened because bigger team has bigger fanbase and more pressure to get things right. So it's always 50-50s mostly go in that direction and it will be a leeway also in that direction. The challenge for smaller teams then is to not only overcome the opposition but also to overcome the expectations and the other side struggles that come through in terms of decision making and pressure from the fans and so on and so forth. So in that sense, it's not a bias or favouritism. It's probably just a few decision-vended players are Argentina. But the issue is FIFA as an institution has lost all respect. Coming into this world cup, what happened, Riren before the ball was kicked, you allowed Ronaldo to have a suspended yellow card so that he could play the tournament, which is clearly gimmicking the rules so that you don't lose on any revenue or numbers or whatever, right? So allow Ronaldo to play then as you approached, there was that issue with the summary, Somalian referee who had to go back. Iran was forced to play in a fly-in and fly-out and play like that because of visa issues. A lot of other things were happening. So FIFA was already tainted coming in. Then of all the problems was the Balagun incident. And by that you mean the US player who got a red card and it was overruled because Trump requested for it. Yes, this suspension was removed, right? So you can argue whether the red card was valid or not. Maybe it's a soft red card. But the fact of the matter is everybody is, who has been suspended has always remained suspended. So once you do things like this, then you open yourself to questioning, like if you can do this because one had a state had a word with you and they put some pressure on you, you did this. Then it's fair that people question, are you favoring Argentina because you want Messi to win another? Are you not favoring some other team because whatever. I just coached and alleged match fixing a little bit, you know, hinting at they wanted this thing to happen, that thing to happen. It's easy to alleged. A jokol made a very very interesting point saying, oh, they don't want to fix this but they will go a little bit. Basically he's saying match fixing but by not saying match fixing. So it allowed FIFA opened themselves up to all these conspiracy theories by their own actions. Then there is also the media and social media that has this huge impact because you freeze frame something and it looks very bad, right? So generally, I think referees allowed a little bit more contact in this workup, generally speaking, some harsh decisions would have gone through, maybe in the primarily God in the jamesi, but they allowed for whatever. So then the real burden and will say, have his field day. I never saw a card for somebody who dived for a penalty. How is this fair? Just when Miguel Avneron got her at card for the same thing. So you did see it. They're saying it because it gives you more numbers, it gives you more whatever reactions or whatever. Because everything that is what the attention economy is built on. So I think it went too far in that way and where we started to allege all this. Now if 20 years from now somebody proves that there is match fixing, I'll have to accept. But as somebody who loves watching football and things or any sport for that matter and things about fair play and things whatever happens on the field is the final lab, bitter or final reason why somebody wins or loses. I would rather not accept all these things, especially in this day and age. But it's completely his fault in my opinion that they brought this untold and sometimes I also feel like they made some that the goal that was ruled out for Egypt probably would have let it go. It happened so far. Yeah. Yeah. By the rule of the law, it's a foul. Now a smaller nation have gotten that rule. I don't know. Would you have gone that far back to cancel a goal? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they did. Maybe they would have. We don't know. But anyway, all these things sort of fuel this conspiracy theory and so on. And Argentina did play a little rough. Yeah. Like you said, you know, on one hand FIFA didn't do itself any favors through all of these things. And on the other hand, neither the Argentina, like what we saw after the final, the scenes after that just despicable behavior from the players and even the pushing and nudging and all of that that we saw during the England match and things like that. So it's not like the Argentina players did themselves any favors either. They were also pretty clear about how they wanted to go about their tournament. Yeah. I mean, first of all, that after the final whatever happened was absolutely despicable, as you said. There is no explanation or no justification for what what has happened. You know the punching and the pushing and the shoving and all. Yeah, they have to be banned. FIFA has to take action. Yeah, there's no other option. But in the game itself, I am sort of okay with this because I this is just a theory, right? Since the 2000 late 2000 and 2010s, we have started to moralize a lot about football. We had this, we as a group, maybe driven by journalists or whatever, decided playing the right way that Barça style of football is the right style of football. Of course, the lineage is dating back to Rhinoc Michaels, you know, in Amsterdam with Ajax and then Yuan Krijhe and so on. So we decided that is the right way to play football. And since then, anybody who plays in a different or any team who plays differently, we've seen as a bad thing. So Maurinho had this fantastic season with Real Madrid. When back they were at, you know, Barcelona was at their peak and they won the league and with records and all these kinds of things. But his achievement was not given that kind of recognition because they were like, we played, you know, transition football, whatever, whatever. Antonio Conte, it plays very utilitarian football. The ego's immune. Yeah. So now the ego's immune, which is war of attrition, you know, all that kind of stuff, right? But there is no right way to play football. Each team can always play differently. We were fine with Leicester City playing, you know, on counter attack when they won the league because it was nice that a small team was, you know, winning something. What happens is when the smaller team continues to win like that, then you start racing problems. That is because they are upsetting the order. Right. So Azundina had to play or chose to play by stopping other teams from playing, by breaking their rhythm, by being little cynical, by trying to annoy them, trying to get into their heads and, you know, trying to get them sent off or angry or playing with emotions and all these things, which are all part of football. And finally, they came to a place where they couldn't do this to the other team, because that other team was significantly so far ahead, right? But I feel like it is, there was a huge outcry when Paraguay and France played each other. Paraguay is kicking France. Can you imagine Paraguay trying to play a football and trying to be friends? They could never play not going to work. So you have to find ways to win at the end of the day or playing to win. Within the roles you find a way to win. So if I do win a fouls, I'll get a yellow card. Then I'll have to figure out how to play differently. If you look at the bread card that happened in the final, it was for two very stupid decisions. One was for descent and second one was a tackle. He really could have pulled out of a long time ago. So they did get punished for stupidity also. So, yeah, I think this moralizing and sort of complaining about how other teams are playing, especially from the English writing press and not saying English, English writing presses, I don't agree with it. You find this way. That's also quite a big contrast because like you mentioned, the English-speaking media is perceiving it in a certain way. And you see the post-mortem of this workup and the analysis and all of that of the final. Whereas I was just taking a website had a collection of all the Argentine and newspapers and how they were reacting to it. And it's just a lot of celebration, just praising the team and just going behind them and saying that this is how they showed the heart, the spirit and all of that. So the Argentine presses not even bothered about it. They're just looking at it from the perspective of how the team has always played and how they've done it. And that is one thing that in one way Messi was accused of until the 2018 workup, which is that he didn't show heart and he didn't show passion that someone like Maradona had. Yeah, it was not Argentine enough. And this is a celebration for them even. They say football differently, right? If you look at history. have Argentina, they saw that football developed sort of like in the ideologies in antices to English values. They had that cunning and the virtuosity and street smart and all are considered great you know qualities which in England is probably in a physicality and power and discipline and all these kind of things. So however country looks at their football is different way. Like let's say for example India next plays New Zealand right they are going to play New Zealand that's the plan. I will be absolutely happy if India clicks lumps out of New Zealand and not allow them to play if we can win because we can't play against a World Cup team and you know dominate position and so on. We have to find solution. So if that leads you up to do small small fouls that stop them from playing it's part of your style. Even the man's sister city under God you all does a lot of fouls. The small fouls nothing major. Small when somebody is trying to play something they'll just your Audrey will do one foul or you know Gunn Dagon used to do one foul. So it's not like they everybody played but this is just the way people want to portray the writers and whatever. But what I really didn't like is you everything was so centered around Messi right and at the end of the game Messi's last match he's lost I presume it's the last match right. He's lost at the World Cup final and you would think the entire team would want to be together but they are going around and fighting you know the other team and Messi is standing there alone as if and it's so bad right and Spanish team went to say Kamishar Aitman maybe a lot of them to pay respect to him as well right because he played his entire life in Spain a lot of these kids are laying against him who they consider as their heroes and so on. You had the photo with Lemal did you have other photos with Kubasi and Danny all more and all these things. So at the end when Messi is sitting there alone you are doing other nonsense right that I found very non-right thing to do well like a bad thing to do rather than that I don't really have a problem with how they played or finally you know my last question is you know the contrasting parts of these two teams and what it looks forward you know what it looks like ahead for Spain and Argentina for Argentina it seems sort of like you know on an end of an era sort of feeling with a lot of older players I think the average age of the squad was around 30 and for the final it was 30.5 and while Spain had an average squad of around 26 and for the final it was around 26-27 you know that's the it seems like you know two different parts that the teams are going to take from here one is going to be Argentina is going to have a lot of more change and you know bring in more youngsters and sort of thing and it's going to be like what is going to happen from here on without Messi well on the other hand there's there's so much hope and so much that is looking forward to the Spain side how do you see these two teams and what it looks like ahead I think clearly in the short term Spain is in a better position because they still have very young players Kubasi and all these guys are going to be a spine of that team for a very long time on top of that there are good ones outside who will come in so they seem quite healthy for Argentina this is a end of a cycle there's got to be a big transition I think some youngsters they have who are playing well in European things whether they can sort of playing with for Argentina has not just about playing good football and it's also dealing with everything that comes with being an Argentina footballer so the coaching staff probably is Kalone's time is done he had a great rapport with this generation of you know football players and this generation won a lot right Bay 1 2 Kapa America's and a World Cup and then recent other World Cup panel so this generation has done really really well for Argentina might be a lull period for a way maybe one or two World Cup cycles we will definitely have to struggle to find the next sort of balance and that team is also so much about that heroic Messianic figure right which you had in Messi before you had Rick Walmay or there was Pablo Imar and all these people they need to find the next one I keep batting for you know Niko Paz but maybe new ones will come and you know somebody will sort of come up again but yeah they will have a lull period maybe this is an opportunity for Brazil to get some wins because their new generation is you know Vinny Jr and Estavao and all these players you know Jav Piedro from Chelsea they stood in play the World Cup so them coming in and then they need to find that midfield a better midfield for Brazil once they sorted out maybe it's a chance for them to win and Colombia looked very interesting in the World Cup so you might see some different Copa America winners and the next couple of at least in the next one one or two rounds of Copa America so different difficult times for Argentina to say goodbye to what is clearly one of the greatest players of all time right thank you thank you so much Sandi for your insights today that was a great conversation and thank you for sharing all your thoughts I mean it wasn't a great final but it was a great tournament after all absolutely thank you this episode was edited and produced by Sharma da Venkade Subramanian if you liked it do subscribe to infocus by the Hindu on Spotify Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts from thank you for listening [BLANK_AUDIO]