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Spain Win the World Cup, Messi’s Farewell & Jude Joins the Elite! | Stick to Football EP 144

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 Spain Win the World Cup, Messi’s Farewell & Jude Joins the Elite! | Stick to Football EP 144

The transcription captures a post-match discussion about the Copa América final, where Spain defeated Argentina. The speakers express sympathy for Lionel Messi, who cried after the loss, but acknowledge Spain's deserved victory. They critique Argentina's poor gameplay, noting fatigue from extra-time matches, the loss of key defenders, and reckless challenges. Spain is praised for their tactical discipline, ball possession, and ability to tire opponents, with young talents like Lamine Yamal and Nico Williams making an impact. The conversation highlights Spain's footballing DNA, rooted in Barcelona's tiki-taka style and youth development, which has produced a cohesive team. The speakers then debate the tournament's best player, with Jude Bellingham and Rodri as top contenders. Bellingham's unexpected influence and goal-scoring are noted, while Rodri's consistent performances are respected. France is criticized for failing to deliver as a team despite individual brilliance. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the importance of collective effort over individual talent, with Spain exemplifying how a unified system can overcome even the most gifted opponents.

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Just before we get started I just wanted to say a big thank you to our partners Skybet and please don't forget to subscribe if you like. I hope you enjoy this episode. Well that's not. It must be my time in Spain that I got used to Spanish. Next welcome to Spain. Yeah, there you go. I'm almost the resident of the country. Yes Jack. I'll be home. Maybe I'll. It is the two look I just we just have to buy them off with with with strawberry milkshakes. Just to buy Royal and Ritey off with short strawberry milkshake. Simple as that. Right. Exactly. Your shake-shack milkshake. Shake-shack milkshake. I want to get out while we. It's kind of so kind of. It's not his way. No. Because Trump's like us. No, no, he's trying to get in. Oh, okay. Baby we were born to run. Well. It's done, girl. A bit of happiness. A bit of sadness. A bit of everything. I'm delighted though. A bit of. I'm excited. I'm sad because I didn't like to see Messi that crying like that. He's sort of meant to him. But I'm quite happy for Spain. Yeah. And I don't think that the way Argentina played today, I think maybe the three different like extra time games under the 20 minutes Messi played all of those. It's just done when he's finished. Both the center halves going up. Going off, yeah. You know. Fernandez getting center off. Well, that was just a. There's a lot going against them to be fair. Yeah, but they say go against them. That's not going to be a big deal. No, that's just crazy. He's just crazy. No, what I mean is he the manager, you're like, you two center halves go off and one of your players that's experienced gets sent off your like. If Messi's got. If Messi goes in addressing them and he's that player to say to somebody what they've done and because he's captain and you're going to dig someone out, he probably digging him out. You want a yellow? What are you doing? But like I said, it's like paraders. It's like they didn't care that they were on a yellow. It's like they knew something we didn't like. It doesn't matter. We're not going to get booked to it. It was crazy some of the challenges they were doing. It's crazy. I love it. My name is. You're smart, Roy. Yes. You're smart, huh? If we said you'd just come in. You're a tissue, then. You just went in there. Fresh and up. Oh. You brought me stuff back over. Did you? Everything. You'll be warm upon that roof. Now let's have a feel in there. That's a great ball. I've got a bit of a good. I think I want to be the. I've got a precise one. Is that the size of one that? Is it the real one? Is this the real one? Because this is like plastic like. Yeah, that's not real. That's not real. The real one's got proper. It's a good topic. What position would you have been? I think I'd want to be a catcher. What is that? A wide receiver. Can you have a defender out wide? You can't, can't you? Obviously, yeah, I've been a defender out wide. Oh, it's cause you have to pull back. It's because it moves and then you have to pull back. I'll tell you what, by the way, my throw. I used to be able to throw it pretty well. Roy's got a. How about Roy? A bit of throw. Now, let me see. No. Yeah, give it a go. No, that wasn't a good throw. ID. That was rubbish. That was really. In order, like. I've asked you your position. Not one of you said what position. What do you mean? - What would you be right? - What would you be? - Like, all about your GB. - What would you be? - What would you be? - What would you be? What would you be. I'd be on special teams or something like that. The clicker. - The clicker. - The clicker. Harry came wanting to be a kicker, didn't he? - He did. - Yeah. He did, yeah. - He could do some training with me. - He could probably do it. He could do some training with the Patriots. You'd have to think that that's. Cause he's agent now. Could you imagine? He could probably do that, could he? No. Right. He could probably kick it. He's got the power. I could probably do it, Harry Kane. Ballon door, champions league, euros, World Cup. That is like the completion of football. - I'm pretty glad to say it's a good one. - Unbelievable. - Bobba did it. - Let's see the ball together. The roll. That's my bug, isn't that? He can't kick a World Cup final off like, I mean, he literally has 40 years to play on the ring. I'm a beginner with a marathon, anything goes. I would forget my pool last night by myself. That was a bit of a sudden. Did you lose? No, there was an argument at the end of it, yeah. England could have literally tanked if they're not due, Belly Gumball. Can I ask you something? Did you enjoy Anthony Barry's little. Yeah. You know what I liked about the first one? It's like, said, right, we're wanting to go out. Just be. Just go on telling what you've got. And then the first of the camera, we was like, you know what I'm saying? - What are you saying? - In the second summer with World War One. It's an ugly, just like, easy to feed it down a little. - You knew it was something. - Yeah. I liked it. (upbeat music) You're not right after the game, are you? Are you all in to give me just to have a little? I feel like a bit of a little. 20 seconds, yeah. A bit of a little bit of a. (sighs) - It's like the end of a road. The end of a road. - I was just saying. - I was saying we'd meet again. - Yeah, we did. - Vera. - Vera Lynn. I was saying I was quite pleased that it weren't Argentina, but then I was really sad to see Messi crying like that. - I don't want to have an agnolition, right? - No, tonight. - No, tonight. - No, no, no. - I think it's a disrespect for the Argentina. - No, I don't think it disrespects for you. - I look good on you. You have to find different ways to win. - Yeah, but like, Roy, they do. They are very antagonizing you. - I'll be right on after, like, a little bit of it. I admire it on my little bit. - You're right, it's a bit. - I first come back to the world. - But you played like a bag of shit. - That's be clear. They played really poorly in the game. So, what I would say is, to stay in the game as long as they did, you've got to get an end to them well done. - And the same way they played like a bag of shit. - Yeah, but when they played against. When they played against Egypt, we were saying, "Oh my God, they're saying over with them." You respect what they capable of doing. - You're asking sometimes if it looks like shit, and it smells like shit, it's shit. And to be fair, what we watched today, to be fair, was a performance that was really poor. And they played it times poorly. They've got massive chemistry and fierce competitiveness that gets them through. And they've got an incredible player up top that should be fair, get some. and get some over the line. Without him, I've said this in last tournament, they are to be fair a team that probably would struggle to get to this. - But we talk about the Spanish DNA, that being the Argentinian DNA. And the Spanish have a dare DNA. Everybody's different. - Yeah. - Every country's battling. - But they were poor today, all right? - Yeah, they were. - No, but the game, if you heard some of the players get an interview afterwards, they were saying the pitch was like really right. - Yeah, it told you. - So it was terrible. - You're fair right, you're fair. - It was hard to tell when you're watching, can't you? The sympathy I add with them today is playing against the Spain team. They're average 80s, 30, they've played loads of football, 180, 120 minutes, all. To get to where they got to is incredible. They lost both the center of halves. - That's where I said we should give them a little bit more. - Yeah, at the end, I said, look, you've got my other players. - They just ran us. - Yeah, I'm not saying you didn't. - They ran us, then. - Yeah. - And Messi, then Messi, he's still nearly done it, no? Didn't he, right? - But everyone's saying football is a winner of Spain, but. The Spanish are brilliant, but other countries have to find different ways. They can't be just. That's not be. - It's not beable, if you don't understand. - The Spanish are this? - Interest in what all the answers. - When Messi's gone, because he can't say. A couple of years. - They said that when Maradona left him. - Mm, delivered a place. - Someone's coming. I wonder if it'd be another Argentinian. - And you'd have to ask from the top, delivered them to. - Yeah. - Oh, really? - It was a disappointing feeling to show myself from the point of view of the level of games we've seen throughout the tournament, wasn't it? It was a. I had a feeling I was going to be a type of game, though, did you? You know, in a prediction. - How so I wanted that? - I said three, two. It was going to be one of those, but it was going to be. A few goals, even though Spain don't score many. I just thought it was going to be one of those games where. You know, Spain might have nicked one, and then Argentina would get one in Spain the way they played. They might have got another one, because, you know, on the break, you can catch Argentina. That's how I thought they might have got more goals. - You know, we haven't got the ball. - And you're cheers at right? But you know, if I was physically. - Yeah. -. tying mentally, tiring, isn't it? - Or for. - You're trying to get to somebody and it just pops at one, doesn't it? - Nobody else calls. - Yeah, beat you up, doesn't it? - Just getting out. - And even when you play Spanish teams, even though. Not, I don't mean Nestle, but Barcelona. Even the lesser Spanish teams are going to keep the ball out there. When you obviously use that, you've found out. - Technically, and tactically, they're. another level right now for the last 10-10 years. - Just the coaching from a young age. Is that all it is for that? - I'll tell you what, did you film well as well? - Well, I was in that, Cubarsky. 19. You know, you look at your fingers. - I think the position in it, when you're talking about. We're not talking about just, in any country's backline, in Spain's backline. - But is it easier then, if you don't make it right? - Well, maybe, but he's a footballer and he's got the pace. And he's got. And they just trust him because it's a high line. - Rugby is obviously a star, the Minion Miles are star. But if you look at the rest of the nine of that team, I say. It's a team that you've put together and you think, "Oh, we know obviously Cucurreo, Le Porto, Winoporo." So you found me really easy as a good player. - But, you know. - Well, the last two games, I mean, the hide and place, France. - Oh, they stepped up, and Argentina. - And I think because they keep the ball so well, the tournaments, I don't think I was draining from. It's not like emotionally where it's true to come back from Tunele or it's extra time. And they got to play goals. Because they, they're waiting to look after the ball, it looks as if. - Do I under the radar, didn't they? - I'll, almost all the way to the find. - No, because remember, they drew the force game, they're. - Then do we keep the early member? - And everyone, and you're not a dab? - Everyone's right, they're more than the time to put a bat on them. - Just to say, again, writing them off is a bit strong, but yeah, they said, "Do you know what, maybe don't I rad it?" - And they've got a goal track. - Yeah. - I watched them beat Uruguay with one matter, what late one night I was doing it with one matter, and. And. And I remember saying to one, they just don't look right. They got over the line that game was a bad mistake by the U of Y. Keeper I think. Yeah, I'm really sorry. And he just said, "Yeah, no, they just don't." No, he said, "Not quite right, right." You know what I mean? This was at least like four weeks ago, five weeks ago, and then he just, he just. He forget about him a little bit. He can't just take it at the right time. Well, to beat Fram's how they did was amazing. That was amazing. That's when they tried with him. They won the competition really in the semi-finals, so that was the final really. They were the two best teams, probably. Spade of France. They didn't even took a lot of Argentine. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Every game, probably for our team, it was like, "Come back every game, won it?" Guy, you said that we would have given Spain a better game than Argentina. I think we would, because just computer because of more energy, probably. I think that today, we went through, we've had a few late ones as well. Yeah. Extra timers. But again, as we got back to players off the bench, to Wonder World Cup, last European fight against England. Yeah, Torres. Here's off the bench. Torres today, Zubin Manning came on. Yeah, me as well. But winning goal against England two years ago. Yeah, it's a basket. Winning goal to the same day. So at this stage of the season, for players, the Subs are even more important. Yeah, it's called big-sides. He has a ball, he came with the bench to it. Yeah. Yeah. So. When he scored against the Euro, that's right. That's what, five out of the last ten tournaments, is what they've won? Is it 2006, 8, 10? And then the obviously won the last two. Something like that. It's a massive thing. Somewhere along the line, it must be some 14-year-old wizard forward, once he gets involved in Spain or go again. What's the pep influence, I think? That Javi and Yester Busquets era. And then the defenders that they had with P.K. and Puyol and sort of really great defenders. That's just influenced the whole of our imagination, this new generation of Spanish players. They're influencing generations when you sort of do things like they did 10, 12 years or 13 years old. This is after the new generation. I mean, that picture of the Minimal as a baby in Messi's arms is incredible. And that Barcelona team that pep had is just influenced. That's just time and sometimes players coming true and a Messi on top of all that. Well, if you look at that Spanish team that won back in the day, it came out of the best Barcelona team ever they had. Puyol, P.K. Javi and Yester Busquets, David Vier, Pedro, Pedro, that's seven. They had seven players and then they obviously had a couple from the Kiseas, Ramos. So the majority of the team was like the Barcelona team from sort of peps team and then obviously you've got, and through the Academy of Barcelona, by the way, a lot of them. From Africa. So you think about the influence that you should have to create something though? Yeah. You did that, like the French, the French and some brilliant players, but you said that's the bond together. I wonder if there was, because obviously not Real Madrid, was there issues years ago where you think in Basin, Real Madrid? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. So you might have all the best players to be self-depressed. They still want to, they still want to work up with the Barcelona team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, in the realm of the Real Madrid. So not at my point, some of those things, just the talent of the law might be enough. You have to get people on the side. That's where the management comes into it. And even though you look at them in the last few games, they're a proper team out there. I know when you're winning everyone feels like there's a great team spirit. The managers don't, and even at the last euros, they were the best team in the euros, weren't they? Yeah. And such as if you, I know, I obviously, in some places, the best team don't always win, but they're, they're producing. I love the way that Spain will play a young player about people talking about all what she's in minutes. And let's make sure we keep denying him. They'll play La Minha Mal when he's 16 in a euros. You know what I mean? Seven Nicole Williams at 19. And with this, this, the center of sabasca, you know, they'll just play him. Just come play. And the beauty is when you're on a boat like a kind of tippy-tappy football in the euros, there are two wide players with brilliant hand in the nose, either full backs or normal g'da. And then this, this final today when Williams can imagine you're, when you put yourself as a defender for Argentina and this tippy-tap and you're getting tired of it, as you said, your full legs, particularly the full backs, legs are getting tired. But then you've people running behind you. He's just cute, right? That's the one I love that. Oh, just the one who's beautiful. Just the one who's beautiful. Kills people. The tippy-tap is tiring, but someone's running behind you. And the thing is, when you're playing right and you're, this is what, I met my children Graham, said it all the time. He and even if it just go, they don't want to, but they have to. And you know, you're, oh, he goes again. That's where the mistakes come. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybeth. Right, best player in the tournament. I've got a list here that you can select from or you can dismiss. Lino Messi, Zhu Bellingham, Harry Kane, Killingham Bappé, Michael Lee Say, Roderie, Alathabal and Harland have been named. The best player I've ever told you, the best player in the tournament. But it just says player of the tournament. Who did you say at the end there? Last couple. Alathabal and Harland. Roderie, no, you're not. Roderie's in there. Are you guys about, is that for East from Spain as well? Yeah. I think that it would have been, I think, Roderie and I probably would have, Jude would have been close. Absolutely, Jude would have been close. Can I pick one? Yeah, I would go to you, Bellingham. I think, look, the reason being is I think that I almost expect that from Roderie. The standards, the levels, the consistency that he's set. I'm not to get it for granted because I think he's just to be fair, you say it before. I think he's just completed football. It's completely gratulated, Roderie, unbelievable. I think Bellingham's World Cup was a little bit unexpected and sort of to go and get seven goals, becoming England's alter. And I just think the influence he had on the tournament was massive on not just English fans. I think he lived in Fluence fans around the world. You know what, girl, I've been, I went to, because they had to play New Zealand and Costa Rica at the start. He was playing in the New Zealand game. Roderie, I tell you, he was playing that game as if it was the semi-final of the tournament. He doesn't let up in the game. He really puts his shift in. He felt he had something to prove this tournament. Well, yeah, but, Roy, remember not long ago, he left him out of the squad, I was thinking was that's my point. He felt he had something to prove here, that bit of anger in him and that bit of hunger. But I think that he did. And I think that's why he came like he did, like he did have a point to prove and he proved it because there's no way you can think of an England team without him. I think he could share it around. He finished third, English finished third. It's had an Argentinian sort of French. So you think you put the Leicin and Bappie in, but when he missed that chance against England, I think it was 4-4. But I think the Leicin and Bappie not getting France into the final to be fair is a problem for me because they were the best team and best squad. So they have let themselves down as wrong, but they did not deliver at the moment where they had to step up. I think Spain should do more of a team than the French. I think they were the most fans to be in France. The point was expecting Spain to be better at football than France, but expected France to counter attack and go through them. What I was disappointed with France was to have that many great individuals played poorly. Yeah, a great one. That's what I mean. I'm surprised at that because we're talking about players who are playing high level in their clubs, know that they have to play a certain standard in level and we're now talking about what was the semi-finals. I think, look, probably apart from Harland, if you take out Bellingham and Harland, without Harland, no, I would have probably dropped not qualifying out the group, but England could have literally sank and tanked if they had no idea of Bellingham. You think about the influence he had on getting him through these tough games. To me, I just think that Messi deserves a mention because he, I mean, unbelievable. I think if Bellingham and if it was England and Spain in that final, I think Bellingham would have probably could have got the player at all. I think he could have, because of the goal. Who's picked that FIFA player at the tournament? I think that because he's in the final and. What does it say to you that? Let's say Messi equalises with a minute to go. Does he get it then? I was like, who chooses it? Who chooses it? Who chooses it? They have a panel, the most. Yeah, it must do. And it's the coincidental right. It's always the people that are on the pitch. Of course, obviously. The winner is Jimmy Murphy, but he's already gone back. So that's what I mean. So it's always so, so it's so many people. It'll be interesting. I think it's a point, the point I'll try and make is, if Jude is in the final with Rodry, I think Jude could have got it. But he wasn't, so. So who are we going for? Can they share it? No, definitely can't. Do you join? I'm up at your point. Yeah, come on. Let's go Rodry and Jude. Yeah. We'll join winners of the Stictiful Ball player at the tournament. Yeah, of course. We have more standing than the FIFA one by the way, Rodry. So just letting you know. Best young player in the tournament, the people we've got listed here are. The Minimal, Niko O'Reilly, Dezerre Duet, Cubassi, Mora and Nusa. I think it was like Cubassi, the most. 100%. Yeah. There's no one's even close. I mean, literally, because he won gold in the whole tournament. In Army games, eight. Eight games. Eight games won gold. I think he's one to know. Yeah, I don't know. And just if you think about. Look, I said a little bit about the Santa Razz for Argentina, but when you can see seven goals in five knockout games, you can just struggle to get through all those games. You can see no goals in the knockout games. You've got a great chance of winning it. Yeah. I mean, ultimately Spain back in 2000 and. Oh, tended to win it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't concede a goal in the knockout game. They didn't concede a goal in the knockout phases of, I think, the three tournaments. They won the Euros and the Worlds. They didn't concede a goal in the knockouts. I do like that. That's a good start. Again, we're incredible. We watched football to be entertained. Strike as a tack brilliant and we've just been speaking about amazing attack players. By doing level, people have, like, pried and defended. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know that. You go out there thinking we're not gonna see. - That's a good chance at the end of one. - The Argentina one. - Yeah, that's a big chance. - You know something, it's semi-honoured young, yeah, I'm glad. - It's a big thing. - But again, we spoke about when Messi don't, and people said, people said, "Yeah, well, what do you expect?" He's in the box, he's easy going to, you saw him with semi-honoured, "Is it easier?" - Was this an easier one, right? - You know what, it's not even a case of easier. - Not getting the tag, are you? - He's got to get like, Messi's instincts, was all the basics were just right, he was over it, he could, he was over it. - It looked nice, didn't it? - Yeah. - I mean, you just think, that's the chance. That's the chance. - Okay, I think to fair though, what we do need to say is that the Spanish team were helped by the best goalkeeper. Simon, Martínez, Manion and Azari from Galvestis to the Spanish goalkeeper. - Does something that. - He does frighten me, though. - We didn't talk a lot about the one that you come out in the first half on Messi early on. - Oh my god. - By the way, Messi's to do. And I'm thinking, if he just gets a nick there, Messi, he sent off, he's the one goal. - And you know what, we're not talking about, when you see them like the 10 yards of 15. He was like 20 yards out of 10. - Against france, unbelievable. Against france, and he's that. - Yeah, but that high, but this is what I was saying about the high line, and the manager says, listen, that line's, you go, you go. - I know, we see it. - I know, we have a bit of banter when the game's run about. You know what people say, great stat and position from a goalkeeper. I think, well, we're expecting to be like in the box, but he's positioning. - You know, when you see, 'cause all of a sudden you see, - That's the key, his position. - Yeah, yeah, because you see Messi going and you think, they're obviously, the goalkeeper come out and you think, wow. - So that's as your high up, he's statin'. - Really? - And it's interesting, 'cause it's that the tournament, you would have said, because we are obviously looking at the Premier League all the way up, right, right, not playing. Why's that? You're thinking that a little bit, aren't you thinking, that would be right. You've got to be some goalkeeper to not be playing for us, but in the way he's played for Arsenal. And by the way, he is some goalkeeper. - A best goalkeeper? - He's easily. - By a mile. - He's the arching, sorry. - Okay, the best defender in the tournament, I'm gonna disagree with a few on this list to be fair. Just naturally, 'cause we're correct. - We're correct, we're correct. - We're correct, we're correct, we're correct, we're correct. - So, Poro, Cucurea, I'm gonna stick on there. Cubars, LePore, Celeba, OpenMicano. I think Jed Spencher get a mention. - Jed Spencher be on there. - Yeah, I think Jed Spencher get a mention. A keyme is on here. Christian Romero and Los Angeles Martins are on here, as well. - Them two gotta be. - Treen, them two in it. - Ooh. (laughs) - It's been a day, that injured today, didn't it? That didn't help, did it? Argentina? - No, no. Both of them going off, inside, 'cause five minutes, not helping at all. - But like, he was injured for a season though. Wasn't during the season, both for them two. - Was it a narrow injury, do you think? - Two or three, two or three. - It was injured, but was injured, where he come off, or do you subbed him, dragon? Or today, I think? - Well, it was something must be wrong. - Well, he was injured for spores towards him, wasn't it? - That's the thing. - Games, games, games. - Yeah. - To talk to them. - Yeah, who was selecting as the best defender, I think. - I think Oopamacalos probably got a good shot. I thought he was very good. - I think the port's been credible. I mean, look, actually, when I was at manager of a lense, we played against Bill Bale, three times, and the port played, left Santa back for them, in all three games. Oh my God, he was unbelievable. He was young that time. What would you have been back in the 2015? Very little port. He was incredible. I think it was the city, I think, while what player they've got, and he played well for them, and if I'd quite a while, then obviously, Pep sort of. - Judd Spencer's, Ab. Judd Spencer's Ab best defender. - Definitely. - Yeah, best defender. - I put, Gage did quite well, I thought. - No, but I thought that Judd's been in the tackles he made, and I thought he made a decisive tackles. - Cucurera, I think, I mean, I'm quite like him, to be honest, he's one of the. - For some reason, very tenacious. - Yeah, people, people giving him a lot of stick in that, but when I watch him, I watch him a lot against Sakur, against any winger he's up, he's just. - All in, he's on it. - And he'll get forward, he's got a certain quality in the box, he'll score a goal. You know what, Gail, he's close for me, he's close for me out of it in this. - And you also think that semi-final, in Dan Belly, was. - Yeah. - Just, you know, he's. - Just snuffed. - Yeah. - Snuffed. - I wouldn't be against. - I'm gonna go, I would say Cucurera. - I'd say Le Porto Cucurera. - Yeah. - Can you share it? - Roy, we'll share it, both of them. - No, let's give it to one of them. - I would probably go on the port, just maybe, but I'm up to Eucucurera. - Yeah, no, I go on the port. - I go on the Cucurera. - Okay, we're going on the port. - Two, two. - I will go on the port, back in 2015. - He's about 2021. - 2021, two, one, yeah. - Okay, best midfield player in the tournament. We've said the best player is Roddry and Bellingham, and they're both in there, ends off in Anders in there. I think he deserves to be in there. I mean, he didn't obviously cover himself in glory today, but he's been brilliant in the tournament, I think, and he's got a lot of port at the decisions by him today, though. - Again, yeah, mate. - Sean, he'd actually come into you as a midfielder. That kind of decision, what he's made there. - We're talking about his ability, you know. - It's the basic. - It's the basic. - But I think when you're on slow down, right, you're on about the important to the game, and footballers get frustrated. - I think if you were to train or down, you'd think it'd turn out. - So the head's gone. - Yeah. - But to do that, just slow down. - Just let it. 'Cause he's on the ar. He's on the arthway line. - He's on the other cat. - It was coming from a mile away, weren't it? - One of them. - Yeah, we could see it coming, you know what I mean? It was very difficult to not see an Argentinian player get sent off, and to prefer, pray there's. - I think the callister was quite looking at that. - We have to do the same with the player that we've given both to Jude and Roddry, then we've got to do this as well. - Oh yeah, Jude and Roddry share it. - Yeah. - Yeah, okay. - Let's. - We've got to give Honorable mentions to who? - Well, Eurotillum mentions in the. Elliot Anderson's in there, almost in there, he's. - You know something, Elliot Anderson should get a mention because he's done well up to it, certainly. - You know what I mean? If you're looking at how best it was Ari and Jude were doing the business for us, he was probably the next. Obviously, Jude spent kind of like. - Why, he'd have. - Emerged as well. - Saying that, right, he'd have been happy to give him prayers. - I think he's done better for the first call. - No, first call. - He's gonna call us too quick. - He'd just be half and half, he'd just. - Well that's just an endless. - Yeah, yeah. - He'd kind of almost forced to pass by, "Oh right, you're letting him under. " You watch that back. He should just maybe slow down a little bit. - And he does that a lot. - He left obviously a lot more when he goes to city, but just sometimes just like. - He's doing it. - He's doing it. - He's doing, I think, he thinks Messi's gonna cut inside. And so he's thinking, I'd rather. I hope this is what he was thinking. And I think I would have probably. If he'd stayed with Enzo Fernandez. - And then Messi cuts. - I didn't say I was a close. - And obviously I must have stayed with Enzo. - Cut a little bit half and half. I've cut it out where you go. Again, you go back to it, you have to multitask. I'm ready if he does this. - Yeah, I can get to him a bit quick. - That's what Gary was saying about Messi. - What we should have been doing with Messi when he was coming in, Gell. Just come across a bit more. Remember what he was saying when Messi's in space on his own. - Well, we couldn't have left him with that much space there. It was ridiculous. - Yeah, just call your jets, that's it. (laughing) - Call your jets, that's what you said. - That's the old one. - As this did the other day, we just said, "Call your jets, you said, 'No, I'm not calling my jets.' - Yeah, it's my jets, so that fucking heart. - My jets are heart, it's untrue. - My jets are all. - GAS, call me your jets. - Call your jets, now I'm not calling my jets. (laughing) (upbeat music) - This episode of Stick To Put For is brought to you by Skybeth. - Best forward, we got Lina Messi and Bappe, Cain, Harland. - That's tough. - I'm gonna go with Messi. - Yeah, 39. - 39. - Gold is for your insist. - Incredible. - The moment they all turn up though. - Can I just say Harland for me is close out of all of it. Because then Bappe is brilliant as well, we've seen him do Harland coming in with the rep, you know what I mean, he's not playing one before. - Can I ask you, if you're all getting 789 gold, that type of vibe. Are defenders getting washed up? - There are some of the attackers getting better. - I think the speed of play, I think defenders are obviously more limited in what they can do now, in to, well, look at the Spanish we're able to do. - Yeah, yeah. - Look, I don't know. - You can't give it to anyone, park from Messi at 39 what he's done here. - What about Messi's gold, where the one where he controls it against Kate Verdes. - Good for you. - And then just like ball is. - People underestimate it simply because it was against, but the ball for a start was amazing, right? But the first touch sets the whole goal up. - Okay, there we go, best forward. Okay, surprise package. Who's that surprise package? - It's Verde. - Yeah, we got Kate Verdes, Switzerland, Egypt, Mexico, Canada, USA, it's got the Kate Verde, I know. - As USA and it was the right package. - Beautiful. - We're all this list. (laughing) - Who sticks you me up here? - I know I switched off. - Give me a break. - It's in the match, we've won you. I'm not saying it didn't expect me. - You've got France in it. - It's a prize package. - England, England, there's a surprise package. - Is there any other surprise package? Think I was saying about a quarter of fans. Did you think Norway would get to the quarters? - Yeah, they'd done well didn't they? - Yeah, well they'd say that's a surprise package. - Norway, yeah, Norway, surprise package. - Probably they could have gone out. - They could have gone out. They should have went out too. Was it Ivory Coast? - Did Belgium get to? - Senegal, they should have gone out. - Where did Belgium get to? Where did they get to? - They got to the quarters. - The quarters, yeah. - The Spain. And that was. - I think Norway. - That was a mistake, but they keep it, weren't they? - Yeah, I think Norway. Norway, Norway should be got beaten by Spain. - I think it should be Norway, Gal. - That's when the Australian last, is it Australian last? Should have just squared it. - Well, you can't say Norway, because he had him as the dark horse. He knew they might get there, whereas Cape Verde no one expected what they did against Argentina. I think Norway, to fed, there was an element of thinking they might get to like. - It's true. - I mean, Cape Verde. - I think Cape Verde got to be a surprise package. - Scotland. - What's it going to go? (laughing) - Was deflected, unfortunately, as well. - And you're the surprise package in the torn, any other thing that surprised you about the torn man. Anything, just to talk a little bit about today, I didn't mind the spectacle, but I tell you what, that wasn't half a long old day, was it with the extra time and half time, you should've seen the match too much. - It was my first time. - You got to respect a game. I know we're a pretty similar in American, and I like American sports, and DNF fell into raspberry toast. - That was a lot of me to get. - Just a bit too much, even before half time. - No, time was opening ceremony. - What was Tom Cruise in? - He was just, he was-- - A lot of his message. He was basically delivering a speech about how it brought the world together through football, I think, and stuff. - Oh, yeah. - But just the game kicked off late. That's one for giveable. - That's not good. - Well cut, sorry. - Six minutes late. - Was it six minutes late? - I mean, you can't, that's fine. - Same as well with it. - If you kick off late in league two, you get to find, you can't kick a world cut final off late. I mean, you've literally four years to come from. - One way to, one way to do the-- - You're four years to come from doing it with America and anything goes when it comes to what they're doing in this practice. - Yeah, but they can be strict with all of stuff, right? - They can do nothing. - That's the strange thing about it. - Yeah, but when it suits them, is-- - Every restaurant you go to here, you're going to shake, you have your book, you know, you have your book to tell, you know, there can be strict uncertain thing. But then six minutes late for the world cup. - So, the best part of the-- - It's a terrible pitch. - Terrible pitch for the standard and the players, and the caliber players that are playing on it, a world cup final on that pitch. God, so bad. - Okay, well, we've got some other categories that might bring that out later on. Big best game in the tournament. My favorite game was definitely Argentina, Egypt or Argentina, Cape Verde. They were a special game. - Argentina, Cape Verde for-- - Okay, I did both of them, I thought they were amazing. - Yeah, I'm thinking you're amazing. - Going into the Argentina Cape Verde, we're going in and we'll-- It's a game we're just going in, and I want Armani for Argentina. - Yeah, four nils. - You know what I mean, we're thinking that, and then this Cape Verde side, they just play-- - Well, each, it's been-- - The not-satting around. - Yeah, that was close. - I've tuned it up with 10 minutes to-- - Unbelievable, that was-- - I don't know, I'm not talking about it. - That was incredible, that-- - You're going to go that one, Egypt. - I go with that one, I think. - Egypt is so-- - You know what, it's heart rate-- - You're going with 10 minutes to go, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Two and a half minutes to go. - Well, the other game is to prefer England V Mexico's and the others, yeah. - Yeah, that's a good one with 10 minutes. - Three and 10 minutes, yeah. - We've got Belgium Senegal, which was Ackham, but that is crazy. - I do not believe that. - How's any goals? - Honestly, I don't think they'll ever get over it. They'll just have to just write a one down to, okay, because we'll never get over it. Let's just move on over here. - Portugal Croatia 2-1, last 32. Morocco 1, Netherlands 1, Morocco win on penalties. And England France, yesterday 6-4. - Yeah, but that's not the same. - No, I don't think we can count that. Well, players get interviewed after matches. And for the last four or five weeks, we're here on about players that carry knocks, rice, and we're just getting feedback. I'd be nice if one of these players, when they're speaking to the media, are on social media. Just a sack is a great example, because over a couple of years, he's not right. He should come up maybe after a week, you're going to go, I feel great. - I'm ready to go. - Everyone know I've got a good job. - I'm ready to go, because all we're here and is going, is he fixed? - Is he ready? - Is he carrying knock? And then you get no feedback from the press officers, obviously, with English airfare. But when the player just come up and go, I'm ready to play every minute. I'm suddenly even a manager, and I go, because, oh, do you not think it was one of the negativity around? - Well, they weren't right with it though. I think things, we knew that they weren't right, because of what's happened during the season, Roy, with the fact that they have these injuries. - Yeah, but sack is a justice. - And if he was good? sack is a justice after the game. I felt good, and I was ready to play. - If he does that right. - And I don't just mean, I'm not just talking about yesterday's game, because obviously, different pressure, the jeopardy's gone, and the odd player would be free. I'm obviously six, four, France could have scored 10. - No, for a player to come out, you're on the tournament. If there's any negativity, we're gone. I'm good to go. - I think that would be terrible on his point, I wouldn't work out for him with the manager, because they're, they're, they're, they're, simply because, - No, he just doesn't, I'm good to go. - He's putting a pressure on the manager. - No, not on the manager, I'm on about this stuff in the media coming out, he's struggling, he might be feeling this, going, "No, good to go." - I think if he denies it, I think they're then he's effectively lying, because we know that he's got a problem with his ankle, is it kill his, whatever it is that he's had this last few moments. - Did he not say yes to the, he felt, he feels good. - Yeah. - Did he not say that after, yes. - Am I imagining things here? - No, no, no, but. - So, but you're not, all right, but there might be another example through tournaments, and we, we sit in the studios and we're gone, somebody might be struck. I know people put a little snippets out that out and true something, but I'd be nice if the player just came out and got, "All is concerned about my fitness, I'm good to go." I could play every moment. - Well, yeah, I was surprised that Rice played yesterday. - It's not having to go to the manager's scene, I'm making it clear I'm good to go. - Do you think Rice wouldn't have played if Manu would have been playing? I think, I think, Rice was brought in because one of them had to play Rice or, and the simply, because Manu would have played when they if he wasn't injured. - I think that's, I think that's, that's our Manu stuff. - That's our Manu stuff, so he got injured, what, and training? - I don't know. - So, yeah, exactly. We don't know, and all these teams, the FA, they give obviously information to the media, but at this one, nobody knows anything about his injury. - It's a mystery one. - It is a mystery one. - I was surprised. - Big mystery. - Rice was playing, especially, he's having problems with his back, it's a neural problem. - It's a neural problem. - But wouldn't, right, a great example, Rice, again, everyone taught Rice that was he ill a couple of weeks ago, and then he'd take another last game, and yes, everyone's surprised when he was playing, and this Tord 4 player. But if he's after the game, just, I've got a bit of a stiff back, a couple of weeks ago, but that's perhaps been a footballer. - I have an ex-fame. - He was quite clay watching Dekalmerise, he wasn't himself, because he came off in two games, three games, he would never be taken off. - But one of them was like, an illness thing, what happened, where he'd be the last train, where he didn't train with the players, I get that. But sometimes puts up no, even positive news, even if you go, listen, I feel an injury, but I'm just going to get out there, and I'm good to go. Hey, come on. Okay, so what's the best game now? Are we going Kate Verde or Egypt? - Egypt. - Egypt, we're going, okay, excellent. The best moment in the World Cup, I think we all say it was a Kate Verde goal versus Argentina. Is the best moment off the pitch or surrounding the World Cup that we're thinking? - You know what, do you got to say that, it's like when Iceland done that, a funber club, when Norway done it, when Norway done it, - Oh, it's not mind you. - It's just to see so many ballroom. - What are we doing? - See the ballroom together. - The ballroom. - What? - That's mind-boggling that. - Double Tisera. - Do that. - Do that. - Oh, I just forgot. - Scotland fans are basically in a bagpipe. - How do I remember? - Go in, Ben, a bagpipe. - No. - You can do that any day or the week. - It was brilliant on the day. - How do you remember? - The bagpipe. - Oh, I love the roll. - It's all the way. - I'm giving to all of the people. - Oh, yeah. - We see my dear Porta Marl, I'm going to the bin up here on my flight. If there's a guy with a bagpipe, my flight. - Everyone's, oh look at that. - The roll. - What's the roll in them? - I'm talking about the roll. - I know, but the bagpipe. - The roll was amazing in Times Square. - It was brilliant. - It was amazing. - It was amazing. - It was amazing. - I love the roll in Times Square. - That's me too. I love it. - It was amazing. - Come with us for the roll in Times Square. - It was great. - It was great. - It was great. - It was amazing. - It was amazing. I was like, oh my god. - It was amazing. - I was like, oh my god. - That is neb to be honest. - That's our own thing. - You're leggings on, yeah. - You always look into the, you always look into the side of neb's face when you're ever - Yeah, I know. - What else is there? - What was the baby? - You dodged me and broke. - I'm going dodged me, man. You dodged me the last bit. - I haven't brought you, because you've gone even, you've not even been on your phone. You've been brought. - My Mrs. took my phone off me for a bit. - I actually just come to baseball for a night and I, he said no. - Yeah, you're with your wife and kids. - That's what he's doing. - You're doing this. - I'm going to have boundaries. - I forget my pool last night by myself. It's a very difficult play and pool by yourself. I played killer by myself. - You're going to play pool by yourself, did you? (laughing) - I wonder if it is that. (laughing) - I'll give you a kiss. - Did you lose? - You're playing a lot. - Right, honestly. - There was an argument at the end of it. - When you were missing, it came over. - I gave you a space because I was like, you know, boundaries. - I still reach out to your door. - I'm one of it, my family. - Would you play pool on your own? You play killer on your own. (laughing) - Cool. - Best moment in the world, Cup, Best moment in the world. - I just said, you've got the Norwegian's rowing. I like that one as well. - Yeah. - Any of the moments that we think of? - You know what? I like to win Belgium beat the United States. - After all the ascending off. - Yeah, I like that. - I just felt like, you know what? - I just felt like, that's how football desires are. - I just felt like, you know, that's how football is. - I just felt like, you know, What did you know? It's not like you don't want to be the next one when you're like, I'm messing with time. I'm messing with time and time. I think I'm going to. That's why when Messi was crying, I felt like I was going to. Because I felt like. I'm going to be like, "Oh, really nice." Did you see? I was getting emotional. It's probably. What about the ITV studio? Amazing. Yeah, honestly, the Mac and the guys, they done brilliantly with that one. That was cool. They kept talking about, "Oh, we're going to do a really nice studio." You think, "Yeah, okay, when you got there, it was quite. Brilliant, that helped." When it said to me, it's looking over Brooklyn Bridge, just like. Yeah, good, brilliant. Yeah, good. And then you get there and you think, "It's amazing." "Oh, I did it." "I did it." You don't get sick of that view, do you? No, no, no. Every time. Every time. No, no, no. Brooklyn's been good. Excellent. Okay. Tom's up to Brooklyn. Absolutely. He's being brilliant. I'm going to miss it here. I might move over here. Come in on a 12 months. Come across here then. Come on. Need a few more. Need a few more Bob-Bomb. Oh. Brooklyn. The biggest controversy in the World Cup, so I've got five or six for you here. Five or six. Somalian referee. No, no, no. There's one or two in a World Cup. You're an American Somalian. You'll be talking about referee because he was. I do. Somalian referee. He's sent back, despite having a valid visa. Scoundrel. Argentina versus Egypt, VAR, controversy. There's the goal where, obviously, in the corner with the. The fouls. Yeah. Balagun's Red Card reversal after a direct intervention from Donald Trump. Wings, Miami. Yeah. The World Cup ticket price. Christopher Rana Ronaldo being allowed to play the first two games, having been effective a little bit off in the semifinal. Oh, but that was sort of like before the World Cup. Yeah, but beast controversy. And then the last one is the Iran Treatment. Well, the Iran Treatment is somewhat totally different because that was just this bicker boy in itself for sportsmen who were coming to play in a tournament, treated like that, in respect of the travel and the recovery and everything. It's obviously effective. And I think that that should be something totally separate. That's just unacceptable. But I think if we're talking about a football point of view on a pitch, the red card. The red card, like. The rescinded was. Absolutely scandalous in respect of. And I think that. Oh, it's despicable. The effect of the team's on it, didn't it? I really just said that, Padley. You wouldn't know how to. No, I was not. You wouldn't like that level of pressure on you where people think you're. Create a lot of negativity around your squad. Yeah, you're gaming the whole tour. No, I felt. You know what people don't understand and they have a. Very disrespectful to it. That real American football soccer fan really is in. And once it all to be right and once. You know, everything about the American soccer. And to be like how we have our football. And they're bang on line of it. They embarrass my that. They're very embarrassed by that. I think on a round and look, you think about the American national team, they're landed the free. You think about the statual liberty in the background. And all the things of message in America about. And then they're doing that. Of tolerance. And you've got a country that obviously at this moment in time, you know, certainly hasn't got the same beliefs in America and they're obviously having a battle with them. Yes. But if you're letting them. If you're hosting the World Cup. Let them play. Then you will unfortunately have to. For America. Give them the same opportunities as everybody else. Absolutely. You know, that's why. That's what made me feel bad for them in their way. But like. It's the Balrogon Red Card being rescinded was. It was everything wrong with it, integrity and everything again. To be fair, when you look at Donald Trump's comments about sort of what would be Thomas Tuchel's tactics of making Harry Kane into a defender. I mean, it's bizarre, because if you think about the states. What did you say about that? No, I'll say something. But the states been like. No, it's not. The president of the United States. And he's talking about a football match tactics. Did you say they would drop him back quite a bit? What is it? It should have gone up. But his point was a good one. You can get him on it. What was it? What was he saying? No, he said that he turned Harry Kane into a defender, which I just don't. I mean, to actually get involved in the weeds like that of life. When you're actually to be fair in that. That was only giving me a tender. Was that the one to do it? Was that the only giving me a tender? Yeah, it was. It's not a Trump. You can't be surprised at anything he does, because he does what everyone. Exactly. That's my point. It's not really bizarre at the same. He says what he wants. That's what he wants. Like, he gave him a peace prize in Fantino. You know, it's really weird even seeing them both walking with the. With the World Cup like that, Harry. No, I can't. It's just so weird. And then at the start of the game, they brought it up. It's like he said, "Somebody bring it up. Let me have a look at it." Like, "Don't call it only. Where is it? Bring it over. Let me touch it." That thing. Let me touch it. Yeah. Just like. I just don't like the way it's been here. And I don't like the way it's interfered in the World Cup. It's just beautiful to that trophy. It's just gorgeous. It's amazing. It's just beautiful. It is beautiful. When you see it, it's probably when you look at it. You see, you don't know, touch it or something. You're not, you're not. You're not. Only if one is like heads of states and people have won it. It's the same with the Premier League. If you try and touch the Premier League, you're not won it. They'll keep. They can pack it up and just walk out. You're not allowed to touch the trophies if you haven't won them. I don't mind that. That's pretty good. I always say to people, "Yeah, you touched me and I'll touch it." Next one. The most annoying thing I've got a list here. What's your list? In Fantino on Match Coverage Every Game. Well, that's come from. Is that just looking to port the bear right there? A little bit more. Of course, they're not match, what's that? Tipping in the USA. So he's got to. You know what they're doing now? Can I just say, let's do it really tipping. Is it 18%, 20% and 22%? Yeah. So, you know, I don't know what to do. So I always give them 20. The other day I gave a tip that worked out at $80. My Mrs was going crazy. She was always tipping that much for us. The service was really new. You've got 18, 20, 22. Yeah. And you've got custom tip and you've got no tip underneath. They're very low down at these things. Really low down. You can't even see them properly. But yes. And then the way they say, "Yes, you have to do this before once a pain." "Make you feel bad." Like, "Are you going to do it?" Hydration breaks is the next one. Jesse Mars, saying I'd rather be us than them when Canada lost to Morocco. World Cup half time show. Anything else? Is that just because we run out of ideas? Yeah, we try. Anything else that's annoyed us during the World Cup? Is it annoyance? But the caliber of some of the pitches are being really quite poor. Is that my all going too far? I'm trying to find something. The entertainment wasn't good at half time. I didn't think it was good. If you think about the world, it looks like we've failed. I'm not a great fan of NFL. I'm not a great fan of NFL, being honest with you. But the Super Bowl half time shows. I watched a lot of them on YouTube. Some of the memes they said was Madonna. I thought it was Madonna. I thought it was great, Madonna bit. It's Madonna bit. Yeah, I thought it was great, Madonna bit, with Rinaldena and Ronaldo. Driving. I thought Rinalda was steamed, didn't it? Just to beat whatever he was singing. Just to beat Madonna's song that was so long. I thought it was so long. The song that Scott made people dance. I thought Berla Boyle was good because I don't know. The NFL, the Super Bowl, the song, I energy stuff. It's perfect. It's the elite artist in the world, isn't it? You'd have thought they'd have had lights say, 'We pretty much is all right. We're robbing.' Why can't they do the half time show where it's in the air? It's good. Yeah, but she's very good. Why can't they just do it where it's the time, half time, 15 minutes? Why can't they just do 15 minutes, bam? They come on 15 minutes. How about a text from the side, because I'm a superstar. How long was it in the end? 26 minutes, 27 minutes. But from when they came back. It's a long time. Yeah. Nothing should interfere with the game. No. These hydration commercial breaks, I mean, Spain, Morocco, Portals, and they're hot, do they understand? Probably, yeah. I hope not. I think not. They've made a lot of money and they're able to use it for advertising in that space. There is no way in those hot countries they're not going to be doing. They will be doing it. It's here to say that is. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by SkyBet. We're on to the England Awards. I think most of them they'll cross over down there, really, in some ways. England's best player, Jiubellingham. Yeah. The breakthrough star for England, one that's. Jets Benz. Do you think you don't as well as. I think he was that good. Who's Jets? I think you're. Don't get me wrong, bro. Who are you saying? No, there's not really a break. That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying to break it through because we remember. Nico, Nico. Nico, yeah, but Nico's. And the cinema's Anderson's. Anderson, yeah. We're talking about somebody that. Or Riley. He didn't start, but then he came in and all of a sudden he felt invaluable to everything we needed. I think he's caught the eye of people in this tournament, Jets Benz. I think he's caught the eye. Yeah, what's. What caught me at his speed? Yeah, yeah. When he got back for that tackle, he. I think Nico and Riley probably would be for me the breakthrough start, though. I mean, to play 19 in a World Cup first gear. He's only played for City for a season, I think I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, I'd go Nico and Riley. I've got chance. Biggest disappointment in England awards. I mean, obviously, that last 15, 20 minutes against our team, isn't it? Yeah. There'll be an autopsy that will go on for quite a while around that, won't it? Yeah. It's a. It should as well. Yeah, it's a pay for. Should as well. You know, the manager's. I'm just talking about. What does he say about our DNA? Yeah, and keeping the ball. You know, well, for me, that's more talking about the FAA. That's a Saturday night when I'm lemon-what-lid doing money they're plowing into. into, like, St George's Park, into the strategy, the national strategy, what we're supposed to be doing, the 10 million a year on grassroots. And he's saying that. He's saying that it's in our DNA. So they've got to look at themselves, and then you've got to think of yourself. We're getting a culture outside of England, so we've got to look at the culture side of it as well. I think it's. Listening to him say something about the DNA and the FAA, we can't produce those things. players and they're pouring in that money and we have to get coach from another country. They're going to be looking at what he's saying, man. That don't make no sense to me. He shouldn't be saying that. Right, this is not sort of revisionism because I said after Sven and Fabio Copelo had managed England for six to eight years. No, maybe longer actually, maybe eight to nine years. I said we can never, ever think go back. We have to, if we're going to select international cultures and they're not going to do any better than the English coaches that we had like Bobby Robbs and Terry Venables and Glenn Huddle. And obviously now Gareth Scott was to semi-finals and finals. I just, I feel very strongly, but I do think Thomas Tuckles has seen this out because I think we should definitely go and do the euros. But as said after Copelo, we have two unbelievable coaches that are dominated in sort of Italian football and umbrilliant jobs like unbelievable jobs. I just don't see how we could go back to having an international coach. That's not a two-cal thing to do with him personally. But then people throw the argument out, you have Serena and obviously the worst thing that they've worn. Yeah, of course we're in, so you're a little bit torn. But Gow, but we're talking about, um, with Thomas Tuckle coming in and you know, he's meant to be the guy. And when you listen to the interview, um, when you listen to the interview today, what you saw, he was the guy pre-tournament, as well, didn't you? You think he's the guy because, yeah, because I think, yeah, because he shot the bravery in certain people. We left out, we think, well, okay, we'll see how it goes with that. So you're thinking, well, he's brave enough to do those things. We saw the way he changed, he made some of the substitutions we're thinking, whoa, that sounded okay. Let's say, he's brave enough to do that. And then he's before the tournament, he was talking about being brave and going to play and being progressive and going for it. And then we saw what happened in the Argentina game. So if he's coming in to take us away from that and take us to the bravery place and it doesn't happen, then what was the point? What were we doing? I don't know, you know, just that's. That's how it's from getting a result. Yeah, but then we should have got a result. You know, we should have got a result because the way he was talking about it before and what we wanted him to come in for is to get us over the line. He's managed 22 England games, 23. Yeah, but he's. Yeah, no, no, no. But his mantra is to be progressive and to go through it and we did. And our team didn't, our team didn't, that's it. What do we think? I mean, look, we've had chats here. We're all the conversations we've had as we thought England would get to a quarrel for us, you know. Yeah, we said so. So I don't know what the big inquest is. I don't. We all thought that just. I was so close, it was so close. That's right. The last bit's down, it's not that. I don't think it's that, because I think it's the way in which it happened at the end. I think it against France when we got knocked out at the quarterfinals. I think everyone was accepting that you can lose that game the way we did. We played really well in that game. Yeah, we did. I think the fact that we lost the way we did in terms of sitting back. That was. That was shut to me. That's caused the problem in the sort of. You were forced back. Ah, that's not good. Yeah. Yeah. Just quickly. Look, what do we think. What do we think September's going to be like? I mean, look, I think finishing third in the world, I mean, bronze medals is incredible, by the way. And I do think the England players deserve a lot of credit to do what they've done. I think that's the. Yeah. Become the third best team in the world. And I agree with you, right? I've never expected them to sort of get to the final. But to well done to them. Do you think that when they leave the tournament. Do you think all is rosy there? Do you think that basically when sort of folding comes back when Trent comes back if Palmer comes back if these lads come back? Do you think there is something there that could raise it so we're heading in September? But it's honeymoon's over, isn't it? Yeah. I think the problems when they made up in September, there'll still be. The energy and the questions that manage the bribes, they'll still be dragging them back to the World Cup and the decisions they made instead of trying to move on. And do McGuire, Palmer, all these players you left out, what do they all come back in? Obviously, it depends on you doing a clublet and if they're off to this. Like, Palmer, which, I mean, Palmer back in forwarded it up. Or you love Palmer, don't you? And we all do, but you. If they start the season, yeah, he's just one of the examples of players that have left out. Right, if they start the season, well, they're good enough to be in the scoyce. It's not like you think, oh, sorry, you can't get it down. Or they're becoming back in a bit later on. I'd afford that they would have been a bit of a bit of a vix. Or what would happen when McGuire. Because he. You don't know. He came up with all sorts of things. I'd be a bit of a vix. The manager and now Roy, to like, getting them back on side, listening, I've made those decisions for whatever. You've got to get them back and make them want to come back to them. Is there a country they're playing for? No, he's just the manager. He's coming back to play for your country. They did lack leadership in the centre of defence that got them out of the box. Maybe Harry couldn't have done that either. Maybe he wouldn't have won that header that went over the top of John Stonzer. Maybe he wouldn't have got them five yards up the pitch. But he was more like. Then maybe he would have won. He was more like. He was more like that he would have probably won that header and got them five yards up the pitch and then probably the other side. Well, I want to know how deep he was offended against Rexham yesterday. What was he playing? What happened? Did he play? Yeah. What was the game? The last game was going to Rexham. The last one was going to Rexham. You know some of the touches in and finish. It's either that or Harry's that one. Harry's one where he touches this. That's it in. I think probably Berlinam's freaking. Berlinam's fucking. I think probably Berlinam's fucking. I think maybe to be fair, Berlinam's his hard of him. Hard of anybody. If you said, who looked both are hard. But Harry's turned and then he's hit it, which is hard. But to control it. Yeah, it's free of all sorts of things with a pass that was wrapped in. And then control it again and then hit it with your left. Yeah, yeah. Probably different. Yeah, probably go away. Yeah. And to go away from the defenders. But I told you that when someone like passes you with that pace, it's easier for you to deal with it in a strange sense. Because obviously if you take a good touch, you're just going to go away from the defender. If you'd slow your weight and the lads are closing you down. So I think the speed of the pass certainly helped a bit. The touch is a good thing because of that. But when you do, do you mean Norway? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The importance of that. Yeah, an England's best moment. Dan Burns had a. You can't be doing that. What can we say the best? What's the best moment? What's the performance against Mexico? Wasn't it the whole build up and. Wonderwall? Hey, Jude. I don't get that. The best moment. I don't get that. That was nice. I don't get. Everyone's standing there singing and just looking at the crowd. Did you know. I thought the ITV rap party where the team was singing "Hey Jude" on Thursday night was good. Was they singing it before? Jude always they singing it just because they were. No, they were singing it before the pit stop. I think they were singing it. I generally think they were singing it. But you guys came. I generally think they were like. We weren't happy with the music that night. Well, I left I had to go. The music was very sporadic and wrong. They got it wrong. Let me try and find out. There was no flow. You also had your faces, but you're something. They were giving it a right. I do generally believe Jude is absolutely loved in the country. I believe he's loved by people and loved by fans. But can I be honest? You know. Can I be honest? You see the song "Hey Jude", right? When you're at a party and a do, and you're at that time and a night what we was, and you put that on regardless of Jude Bell. People are going to sing Jude Bell in it. Yeah, but the reason they. People are going to sing like that. But you know, is that kind of song? I'll tell you now though, right? People, you don't put that song on in an ITV rap party, unless you're doing it for Jude. They put it on because of him. Of course they did. We were not we, the team were managing the actual recording. Of course they were. I can't remember it. I can't have them got it now. I didn't join in today. You joined us. I saw you singing it. Nice, it's nice. What a world cup it's been. Across the tournament, £375,000 in ITV 7 jackpots have been won by players taking on the challenge. There's still plenty more to play for though. So if you haven't already downloaded it, the ITV 7 app, keep making your predictions and good luck. 18 plus T and C's apply. - Oh, Golden Ball. - Not in that. - Not in that. - Looting today. - What's Golden Ball? - It's best player, isn't it? And it dates back to 1994, 'cause there's a player on here that's won it twice. - Last seven World Cup Golden Ball winners. - Yes. - Zadan, I'm just trying to hold down. - Zadan must be one, is he not? - So. - Zezia. - Embaepry. - Do you want to lock that in? - No, he looked like he was trying to find it. - No, no, no, no. - What's the Golden Ball? Like, when you've not the best player in the toilet? - No, the best player in the toilet. - So Roger, you want it today? - Oh, okay. - Roger, you know. - Zadan must have won it. - Surely, is it? Zadan? - 98, who won it? Zadan. - 2002, we won it all. - Zadan, 2002 in Aldoay. - Oh, Ronaldo, Dino. Ronaldo, oh, Ronaldo, Dino, 2002. - How would you rate Nick, I attempted to do that stuff at Medana today? - Money. - It's true. - Absolutely. - Simple as that. - Absolutely, no doubt about it, money. - Right, 22 must have been messy. - 100%. - Yeah, very true messy. - I can't see. - Yeah, I can't see. - I want to say Zadan. - I know messy. - Good to check. - Zadan, 22 and 2040. - Zadan. - 24, you messy. - Locking that in? - Yes, I am. - Oh, yep. - Zadan is correct. 2006. - R9, Ronaldo. - R9. - R9, Ronaldo. Correct. - There he is. - 1998. - There's got to be a couple of duds, you want? - Right, well, I think he must be Rinaldeano. - Rinalde won it here, Brazil. - Yeah. - Rinaldeano. - What can I say? - Yeah, Rinaldeano. - Yes. - No. - Two's up front with him, Ronaldo. - Rinaldeano. - Rinaldeano. - But is it him or her? - So, we just lost her life. - Yeah, that's one. - This is Brazil, in 2002. - Yeah, just wanted to say that. - You think it has to be. - Zadan didn't win it in 2006. You got sent off in the final and he still won the Golden Bull. - It deserves a flat. - 2010. 2010 here was Spain. Is that going to be in Yester? - In Yester. - I think it could be. - In Yester. - Yeah, in Yester. - No. - Did you say it? - We didn't say it. - You said you didn't see your luck in it. - Yeah. - I'll let you out of that one for free. - Right, because you don't see your luck in it. - Yeah, I agree. - Do a problem. It's about 2018 here. Then, it was 2018, the best player. We went to France. It's French-Argentine. It was France V-Croatia. Is it Maudrich? - Maudrich, yeah. - Pogba. - I think it was Maudrich. I think Maudrich. - Yeah, yeah, we got Maudrich. - You're lucky. We are lucky in it. - It's correct. - Yeah, it's good shot now. - Well done. - Come on. - Good shot. - This is 2010. This is the year that Spain won it. I think in Yester. - Who is the disemnise? Can you remember? Diego Foulan. What year is that? - You're lucky in that year. - I think I must say. - I want to say Diego Foulan because I remember it. You know why? Because I remember he had a poor season and then he had a really good World Cup. - Well, he could be right then. - What year is it? - 2010. - No, Foulan. Diego Foulan. Yes, man. Put it in. - It's correct. Thank you. - I remember he wasn't called it because I was thinking. - Hold on. You got a big move after that. - You have an oriental in it. - 94 here. I think that's Romario. - They won it in the Brazil. - Romario. - Yes. - In 1990, you. - I think that's Romario. - You remember it. - Right. - You just remember it. - You just been the garage. - Romario. - Romario. - Romario. - Like in that end? - Yeah. - Correct. - The best player I ever played against. - These two here. The best two players I've played against. - 2002. 2002. - Mm-hmm. - That's the career that Japan will come. - But that's Brazil again. - It's in that World Cup. - Germany. - Did Brazil win it? - Did Brazil won it? - I said no. - I think we're in a Valdor, you know? - Or Cafu or Carlos. - Who was in the final? - Was it Holland? - Was it Bird Camp? No. - That was two-ton. - This argument before, we just. - We were sending off. - That's not the kick in the game. - Holland's get this. - That was the young. - No, that was 2006. - That was Spain. - That was the Euro's one, eh? - I'm trying to think what was it? - I'm trying to think it's. - Not in Italian. - I don't think. - He lies, we got left too. - I don't think we're going to get it. - Two, two, two. - Two. - Will we kick ourselves? - I don't know. - Who's the Brazil beat? - He has just been answering the I-7 before. - It was Germany, they beat, wouldn't it? - Just the goal. - No, who played in the final? - Well, South Korea in the semi. - It was Germany in the final, wouldn't it? - I'm not sure. - I remember he touched on the goalkeeper that I was arguing about last week. - Don't think I was. - No, I don't know. And I've got a mind blank about 2000. So, 2007 was a tournament. So, but who's in the final? I'm sorry, I passed. How many days? - It was definitely who won it. 2002 was Brazil, wouldn't it? - There will be Germany. - Right, so in 2002, Ronaldoino's goal was of David Seaman's head. - Drember. - Balak? - Drember. It's that tournament. So, England got beat the quarter final of Brazil, didn't they? - And then the striker, who was the striker we went to last week? The German striker got loads of goals. - Well, closer. - Yeah. - Feel it, my bones. - Right. Close. - You're locking that in. - That's not right. - It's not right. - What about his mate Mulla? - He's been an answer in the ITV7 before. He said that's why. - Yeah, I know, I'm just a rubbish clue. - It's a rubbish clue. - No, because that's too easy there. - It's a real rubbish clue. - Yeah, it's obviously your team. - I think it's goalkeeper, maybe. But then he would have got. - Is it Edmund van der Seer? Was it Holland? - No, it was Germany in the final. - I can't say. - I've no one listening to me. - That woman in the fast show, no one listens to her. - She gets all the right answers. - You said that. - Of course. - German midfielder. - Fyne Steiger. Back in 2002, would it be Schweinsteiger Balak? 100%. I don't think it's Balak. Balak's not been used before, by the way, as an answer. Balak's not been an answer before. - Did he score a winning goal in the world final? - No, you said that you said a player. - Those were different Real Madrid. - I was up way before him before Schweinsteiger would have been there. - He would have known. - We're not getting this one. - I can get into the German team from that era, because we played them in 2000, in the Euros. And I think 2002, we'll have played them in 2001. We're Kevin Keegan, because they knocked out the group. So that German team would have had in it. Roy Schumel, the place from 1999, by Immunic, would have been around that. We played by Immunic around that time, with Owen Agrives in it. When the quarterfinals, Salamadic, was the big massive in Winger called the IPL you were playing against. - Big striker, I'm not saying it's him. - Yeah. - What was his name? - Jürgen Kohler, people like that, you know what I mean? - Maybe it is Balak. - Balak's the one that's the star player. Because Balak in 2002 was that the year we got knocked out by Levy Cusen? - I don't think so. - And Balak was the player for Levy because he went to buy it. - We were also in the midfield, we got to it all childhood, didn't we? - We were also in the midfield, but we're Balak. - Balak's a good job. - To be fair, Balak is the only. Balak's the star of that Germany team. In terms of. - We've only got one left, Balak. - Balak is the star of that Germany team. - But we've won the money anyway, haven't we? - Balak. - Yes, you've won the money for Jürgen. - Okay, we've got to go Balak. - You're luckin' that in? - Yeah, you're luckin' that in? - Yeah, it's wrong. - It's correct, and Roy, you were on the right lines because the correct answer is, "On the Khan." - Oh, wow. - It's the goalkeeper, he must have won Golden Glob. - 'Cause we mentioned. - You're the only goalkeeper. - My issue is that he'd want. - You want the. - Why did I go back to Balak? - This episode of "Stick to Football" is brought to you by Skybeth. - Well, that is it. "Stick to Football" done for the World Cup. - And how's he. - How's he been doing the World Cup for the podcast? - Been good. - Yes. - In raccoons breaking, almost like him. - So that's six weeks left. - Seriously. - Well done. - Seriously. - Well done. - Can we say thank you to people for the Gary Jesus. - Yeah. - You say thank you to everybody. - Thank you very much for tuning in. It's been a tough one for us. Well, it hasn't really, hasn't it? It's been a good, enjoyable one for us, but like. - I can't explain. - Doing these have been good in this nice little kind of. - Excuse me. - Oh, sorry. - We should do a tour. - We should just be able to show everyone. - You know something, where we are. - Thank you very much for all the support. - Take a moment to say it. - Yeah, take Sean Brooklyn. - Oh, no, no. - Can we take a pamphlet? - Very much everybody for your wonderful support. We appreciate it. You're the best. - Thank you. - In fact, well done Ian. - Well done Roy. - Well done. - Well done. - Well done. - Here everyone, come in. Team coming in. - Come in, everybody. - You're the best. - You're the skipper. - We're all coming in. - Yeah, everyone can take your view first. - We're getting better numbers, we're all chilling. - He's that one we're saying. - Yeah. - See you, Jamie. - Hey, Beth, look, I got a present for you. Beth, this is for you, because I love you. - Nice job, everyone. - Well done. Good job, team. Good stuff, brilliant. This has been a global Andy Overlap production. miss an episode.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The speakers discuss the Copa América final, expressing mixed feelings about Argentina's loss and Lionel Messi's emotional reaction.
  2. They analyze Argentina's poor performance, citing fatigue, injuries, and disciplinary issues, while praising Spain's tactical discipline and team cohesion.
  3. Spain's success is attributed to their possession-based style, youth development, and the influence of Pep Guardiola's Barcelona era.
  4. The conversation shifts to comparing individual talents, with Jude Bellingham and Rodri highlighted as standout players of the tournament.
  5. They critique France's underperformance despite having strong individual players, contrasting it with Spain's collective strength.

Summary:

The transcription captures a post-match discussion about the Copa América final, where Spain defeated Argentina. The speakers express sympathy for Lionel Messi, who cried after the loss, but acknowledge Spain's deserved victory. They critique Argentina's poor gameplay, noting fatigue from extra-time matches, the loss of key defenders, and reckless challenges.

Spain is praised for their tactical discipline, ball possession, and ability to tire opponents, with young talents like Lamine Yamal and Nico Williams making an impact. The conversation highlights Spain's footballing DNA, rooted in Barcelona's tiki-taka style and youth development, which has produced a cohesive team. The speakers then debate the tournament's best player, with Jude Bellingham and Rodri as top contenders.

Bellingham's unexpected influence and goal-scoring are noted, while Rodri's consistent performances are respected. France is criticized for failing to deliver as a team despite individual brilliance. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the importance of collective effort over individual talent, with Spain exemplifying how a unified system can overcome even the most gifted opponents.

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The speakers felt sad seeing Messi cry, but were happy for Spain's victory.

They described Argentina's performance as poor, saying they played 'like a bag of shit' but praised their competitiveness and ability to stay in the game.

Spain's success was attributed to their technical and tactical coaching from a young age, ball possession, and ability to play young players like Lamine Yamal and Nico Williams.

The speakers considered Rodri and Jude Bellingham as top candidates, with some choosing Bellingham due to his unexpected impact and seven goals.

They believed France had great individuals but played poorly as a team, failing to deliver when needed.

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