Spain Prevails, World Cup Winners and Losers, and Damon Vs. Leo With Chris Ryan and Anthony Dabbundo

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There is a skill to it. I know everybody wants to scream about corruption and FIFA var, all that stuff. But like, there is a skill to the dark arts. Like C.R. was saying earlier, being able to just toe the line and only occasionally cross it and and they've they've matched it. Well, the thing that drove me crazy about this match, though, is that Argentina has been winning their matches. Three, two, two, one, like actually like at least going getting some shots on. Like to not have a shot on goal is absolutely obscene when you've got messy. You've got letaro Martinez still on the bench that all they're doing is bringing on more and more defenders and more and more gangsters. And it's just kind of like, you guys like, this is it. Like, there's not a tomorrow. Messi's probably not coming back for the World Cup in Portugal. Like, go for it. Go for it right now. And if you die on your shield, you die on your shield. Like, that's what it's going to be. The fact that they seem to be playing for pens so early was really disappointing. I'm not sure they couldn't see our that's the thing. Like they just Spain had just did this to France too though. The France was trying to score. They just couldn't keep the ball. Here's a crazy stat. So since the World Cup, they have track a day tracking data back to 1966 in the World Cup. And I asked Paul Car from true media are good friend for this. Brazil previously had the record for fewest expected goals conceded at a World Cup 3.6 in 1994. That was a dominant Brazil team 3.6 in seven games. Spain just gave up 2.3 in eight games. Nobody sniffed their goal except for one trial to cut the line header in eight games. Well, that was cousin. South said if it went into PK's, they're going to have to wake up the Spanish goalkeeper because he was napping for the entire second half basically. I don't I still don't know his name. I watched all the Spain games. He was in he was in so long. Yeah, he was in so infrequently. I just can't remember. He just won gold and glove at the World Cup. I think I don't know. Yeah, I don't who actually was the best goalie in the World Cup. I mean, when you just get one goal. I know, but how many actual how many of you are you it? M Martinez was, yeah, I mean, I mean, Martinez is pretty good because he just stopped like it should have been for nothing. You know, like, I mean, Martinez can't be great. If the Cape Verde Verte guy won one, one, the one that they brought him out and they're like, Hey, Debundo, you tweeted this earlier that Spain was six to one on July 6th. Yeah, that's with only two weeks left in the tournament. Yeah. And I think that Cape Verde game really fuck people up for how they thought of Spain, right? I know it did with me. It was a couple rounds where I was like, I watched that Cape Verde game. Like, I don't they they're not going to win. They could barely beat like a team that had less than a million people in their country. But it just felt like they got better as the tournament went a lot. They did. And like, I don't know, this game wasn't that different from the Cape Verde game where they just camped out on a third, tried to score ran into a hot goalie. You know, Lamine didn't play that much in that game. That's the beauty of the sport too, as much as we hate it. And we were heading toward one of them all time stolen results in soccer history. If Argentina won that and shootouts, like that can just happen in a game where like in the NFL, you can't get your your ass kicked for 60 minutes. And then all of a sudden, be down three to the level that that happened. And then all right, so the game, it can just happen. And like, sometimes the ball doesn't go in. And that's that's why we love the game. And that's why we also hate the game at the same time. But yeah, I mean, Uruguay game wasn't great either. You know, they played they kind of slogged their way to a 1-0. And the reason I never stopped believing was that defensive number. At some point, if you never give up any chances at all, it's going to be really hard to beat you in a world cup. If they had had a basically a world class striker, I don't know, like that this tournament would have been within touching distance. Like it might have just been a walk. But the fact that they were basically playing like, "Almo, and getting goals from Marino and Olythabo." Like it was, it was like not a vintage, like there was not a vintage center forward playing for Spain. If they had had a Fernando Torres or a David Viva, like they would have been like miles away from the field. Yeah. And also, like everybody else, all the other big stars, I think that's part of the reason Spain went out of the radar too. It's like in Papay and Holland and Harry Kane and Jude Bellingham, everybody else's stars turned up and we're scoring goal after goal after goal. And William was in fit. So it was like, "Well, I don't know about Spain." You know, I did feel like they were shading dudes over to his side. They were seemed pretty determined to not let him do anything. And then on the messy side, it was so interesting watching him in the England game. You guys talked about this on Wednesday where he kind of shifts to where the or basically where your scab on your arm is and then he shifts to where that is and just starts picking it. And for whatever reason, he ended up on the right side in the England game. And they never adjusted to it. And this was the thing. I listened to a lot of stuff after that game and a 24 hours after and everybody was just like, even fucking Trump said it. Trump's like, they let messy on the right side, just doing his own thing over there. But it just seemed like today, Spain was like, we kind of know where this guy is at all times. Yeah. I don't know what I'm going to kick him. If he gets any sniff of the ball, there was a couple of times where Messi did have a, he did get the ball and he looked at turn and it's like, nope, we're kicking you right here. You can have your free kick. There was one problem. Got him pretty high. And I was like, oh, but yeah, look for it dropped him at one point. And then like, it was like, we're not let, they the same thing. No, at least say in the France game. There's a version of this. We're like, messy drops deep into midfield. Kind of where Harry came plays and tries to play more as like a central playmaker, but that's Roderieville, you know, that's where Roderie controls the middle of that field for Spain. And there's really nobody better in the world than him at doing that. So one of the things you guys were talking about over and over again was that Argentina's back was going to be the thing that killed them. And that sometimes when they fall behind by a goal and they would have to put more offense in the field, that's when they turned in Argentina. And they had all these goals in the last, you know, after the 75 minute mark all this stuff. I wonder why they didn't try to play that way sooner instead of going more thug ball. Like, what did you think is your watch night AD? Would you have gone more offense and tried to make it a more wide open game? Or you think played for me playing that way. Yeah. So you think the way they did it was the right move probably. I don't know that we know how good Argentina actually was. Like if we go back and do the revision as history, and this is very 2024 chiefsian, right, where, and this is the comp everybody's done. They have them a home's character and then it's like, well, they're skating by and they're beaten some bad teams and they're doing some comebacks and then they run into some calls. Yeah. It's like, well, and then you start to do the revision as history, right? Like Switzerland was the better team for now. Yeah. And then envelope throws himself to the ground gets sent off and then the game's over. England was the better team for 70 minutes. And then they stopped playing. They evacuated the game, like they evacuated America in the 1770 CR. They were just done. I was literally evacuated. I was like, don't make a dunker joke. What CR have been, what have been a loyalist in 1777? I would have been able to be able to find him with this Philly is Philly people. I still, the England thing I can't get over. I just think they were better than Argentina. And I know this is soccer and this is how it goes. Can I ask you guys a random La Liga primarily question? So these are Argentinians that are on these teams. Do they all play like this? Is it the same level or when they get together, do they gain strength from each other? And it's, it becomes even more dangerous. Like, what's the? It is a little bit like the guys in old school. We're like, when they're home, they're like, yeah, I'm going to go to Home Depot. We're going to see if we can put together a nice little Saturday. But when they see Frank the tank, they're like, so you want to kick a guy up in the air? Yeah. They have a couple guy. I mean, Christian Romero's had his fair share of red cards at Tottenham. Enzo Fernandez might be the most hated player in soccer, period. After this point, I mean, outside, I certainly learned that hate him. Even the Chelsea fans are like out there with Zen with him. Lesandro Martinez has had his moments. I wouldn't say all of them. I think there's, there's, it's a combination of factors probably. Well, Trump picked Argentine to win the game before the game and Drake bet $1.5 million on them reportedly. And I think we've now learned a valuable game with us. And if Trump and Drake are aligned on a, on a thing, let's go. All right. I had a, I wanted to go through winners and losers. Unless you have anything else you want to hear from that game. Was there any other, any other storylines? It's a pretty boring game for the most part. It was compelling drama, but it was not competitive. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I made this list. I didn't consult you on it. I have my biggest winners and my biggest losers of the World Cup. Siara, who do you think was the biggest winner of the World Cup other than Spain, obviously, because they won the World Cup? Who would be your number two runner-up winner? Holland. Erling Holland. But I'm kind of, I'm guessing for you almost, but Erling Holland would be up there. So you think just because Holland just because just because for the casual fans, they didn't fully understand until the cup. Yeah. If you don't watch Man City, this is your first exposure to him. And you get to see the Viking row. You get to see this guy like basically not touch the ball for 86 minutes. And then the two times he does these scores two great goals. And he looks cool and everybody's just like what the hell is up with this guy? So definitely a big breakout tournament for him, I think he's also extremely Gen Z. He's so online, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, I mean, I mean, we have that are regularly posting snapchats in 2026. I'll tell you, he also won over Van Leith and I don't know if you saw Holly's girlfriend. Is he a city guy now? No, he's a, he's a Holland's girlfriend guy. My biggest winner of the World Cup, oh, you go AD. Who is your biggest winner? And you could still make the cases Leo Messi. Yeah, I mean, he was the best player at the World Cup at 39, 39 and I know that Argentina had to change some things up to get him, you know, to build the system around him. But he's so good that it's still worth doing. And for him to, you know, he didn't end up winning the Golden Boot because there was some, you know, third place games, that padding, maybe, but he had the most goals plus assists. Like he's behind him by paying, like he's up there doing, doing the stuff. And none of what Argentina did in this tournament is possible without Messi doing this. He hasn't played top level club in years, right? So I don't think anybody knew what to expect. He didn't play that much in the qualifiers relative to past, past qualifiers. So it's like, well, what are we going to get? And then, oh, right, he has a hat trick in the first game, he's the best player in the tournament still at 39. You grew that's here? Yes. And he also, like, ended once and for all any whispers about, like, is it him and Ronaldo or is it him and Faradana or like, it's, it's him and then it's everybody else. So I had him as my biggest winner other than the team that won. I was thinking about my life, like the, the biggest stars ever, just the people that we were just like, that dude, because before we were born, there was like the Babe Ruth types, right? And then Ali was the first one like that, where everybody's just like, that guy's the fucking greatest. And like, if you had a counterargument, people get mad. And then that turned into Jordan. And then that turned in a Tiger in the 2000s, right? Tiger hit a point, especially in the 2008 that us open when he's playing on his bum knee before the car accident, where it was like, this guy's the greatest golfer we've ever seen. And it's funny. Messi's starting to ascend in the late 2000s. That was right when I started really watching soccer for, you know, for fun. That was really when Messi started to take off. That was when my daughter started playing AYSO and she was like, for the fact that he's still around in 26 as this guy that has to be doubled and watch constantly and is the most feared guy in the entire tournament. It's incredible. Like this is kind of what LeBron wishes. We discussed him like these days at age 41, where I'd be like, oh man, LeBron got away. And it's like LeBron hasn't been that guy for five years, right? And Messi is somehow still this guy, but yet he came here to play soccer, right? He's playing in Miami, and this was supposed to be like his, oh, this is the next stage of his career. It doesn't feel that way. I don't, how many more years does he have AD, but he could play at this level? You know, the demands of like European club are vastly different from the demands of international. And you do tend to see like some of these guys that stick around longer at the international level because there's not as much pressing. You can build your system around one who just has a magical left foot or right foot, right? Why wouldn't he play Copa America in two years? I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but he could. I don't doubt it. Would he be the star player playing 120, 90 minutes every game? Maybe not, but I'm not going to bet against the guy. I think it basically depends, it depends on whether Scaloney stays as the Argentina coach. Because like he's that guy want a World Cup. He's been to another World Cup final. He's won several Copa Americas. If he wants to go coach in Europe, he can, but he's been, he and Messi have been like lockstep this entire, this entire cycle. And Messi has had problems with Argentina managers in the past, not like throwing tantrums kind of problems, but guys who have been like, well, we're actually going to make Messi part of a system and not play entirely around him. And if they get some coach in who wants to counterpress a lot and run like crazy, he's not going to be able to do that. Right. It seems conceivable to me that he could play at 43 in the 2030 World Cup. Because one of the things like watching him, and it's a little like for somebody that reminds me of Jalen Brunson, these guys that are low to the ground, but strong. There was a couple plays where sometimes Messi will just, he'll get low to the ground and he'll carry somebody in his back and is able to keep the ball and the guy will go flying off his back. He's just so low to the ground and sit like there's been running backs like that too. I don't know. He could keep going. There was a moment in the England game where he like shrugs off shed, spends turns, Declan rice and then like rides the challenge of Ali Anderson before they get wiped out right in the midfield. And you're like, he's how old 39 doing that. Like against two of the best most athletic midfielders in the world who are in their physical primes. What about that pirouette he did today when he was on the right side. And somehow did like the 360 and was going to the middle of the field. He is amazing. The past day that was on that outside of his boot across the field to Simionie who tried to draw a foul on Cucurea, but like, it was like the DPI I was like, that is the DPI fast and it was this moment of genius and it gave me to get the ball as much. My favorite thing about Messi this tournament other than the obvious like heroics has been when there's been like a contentious play on the field and the opposing team players try to get up in the ref's face and start yelling at one of the Argentina code his one of his teammates. Messi like will kind of wander into the scrum and everybody's like, Hey man, my problem's not with you. Right. Like this dude's five seven, he's not going to like knock anybody out. Yeah. And he's just like, you're God. I'm sorry. I'm just sorry. Well, there was one player who trash talked him. I don't know if you saw this gift. There's been going around. Yeah. Jude Bellingham and there's a there's a gift of Messi just kind of smiling and smirking out. I'm like, hmm. Yes. Ironic. Ironic. He brought this up. That was my number two winner of the World Cup. The team in Messi. The Messi meme, I think it's going to be a top five meme of all time. Like when you think like the Alonzo morning meme of him being doing the whatever on the bench when he's like sad and like, we've had a couple of these. I think this one. I even got a great email about it. DeBundo, it's you should thank your lucky stars you're here because I'm going to read this email to CR from Jeff B who wants to know because I had the same thought. How much Messi looked like De Niro in that moment with Bellingham when he made up. So he said, what was the most appropriate De Niro movie and moment that captured the Messi face and that scene? And he gave us five options. Number one was the Jackie Brown. Don't say another word moment right before his shoots bridge at Fonda in the parking lot. Number two is Deniro and Pesci facing off in the desert and Casino. Number three was the heat diner scene with Pacino that is a flip side of that coin. Number four, this was the one I had. Jimmy Conway decided to whack Mori our favorite scene in Goodfellas. Yes. The greatest cigarette anyone's ever smoked. But he said option five going Deniro adjacent. Can we go to Niro adjacent for this for best scenario? He's going with Vincent Hannah's okay mother fucker and in he okay mother fucker. To me, it reminded me of De Niro on the pay phone calling Van Sant and being like because there's a dead man on the other end of that. That's good. All right. I think that's the answer. All right. I have that I have that second after Messi as the non Spain winner of the World Cup. Holland was third. So I know you all didn't have the like he didn't even score today yet. He basically had hockey assists and whatever. I still feel like it was a great world cup for him from a visibility. People knowing who he is. I thought the photo him and Messi which nobody believed was real for two weeks. And it's just like I think overall like a really positive world cup for him where it's like this is the foundation you can see him coming back in 2030 and being the biggest star we have. He was obviously playing hurt. So I would have him on there. Is that a bad opinion, Adi? I think we'll look back in like six or seven years like well, you mean you're all one the World Cup with Spain and nobody will remember that he wasn't a star player. You just get you kind of get credit for it. It wasn't an emboppé level World Cup right in 2018 when emboppé just electrified all of us. He scored all the goal and did all the athletic freak moves, but you know, it is crazy how much timing plays into this because you all was incredible last summer, incredible two summers to go at the Eros. Yeah. Wasn't great this summer because he wasn't even a great two hamstring injury where they showed him on Friday and training still wearing a bandage on the leg. So we'll never know and these things only come around every once every four years. So hopefully he's healthy for the next one. But I do feel like he'll probably look back and be disappointed in his own thing. And if he'll say, look, I won the World Cup, what are you going to say? I mean, he's already won the World Cup. He's already won the Eros. He's won La Liga. He was the best player at the Eros two years ago. And now he's, you know, the, I think he can won young player of the tournament at this one. I haven't, I haven't been watching, but I mean, what I, all he needs to do now is what go win the Champions League with Bar And he's got the most accomplished resume of a sub 21 year old of all time. Well, like my wife didn't know who he was three weeks ago, now knows who he is. Like he, and I watched the game with my 18 year old son and at halftime, we're like, isn't it crazy? You're the same age as the right wing who's drunk two guys over. Like I saw it. I think when you put it in that context, we're like turning the bend and be like, what are you going to do something special? Like, what's happening? Congrats, you got into college. I would say my caveat for what I mean is, is that you could, you could make that Barcelona in parentheses because they had five guys on the Spain team. Pedri, Frantora's, Kubarsi, the defender. You say Pedri? Yeah, Pedri and Almo and, and, and you're all so it's like, if you want to go watch more of that Spain team, you can watch Barcelona. I thought Pedri was really good in this tournament. My, my fifth winner is America, because it seemed a little inconceivable that we're going to pull off this 40 location World Cup when the heat and we don't have domes everywhere. I thought it was great for the country. I thought, anecdotally, just everybody that went, I never heard bad experiences of like, oh my god, I went to the World Cup and fucking sucked, it took eight hours to get it in and out. I like being in the different cities. I like that it was, you know, some eight traditional cities like Kansas City, Dallas, and, you know, Philadelphia, Boston, even though it was Foxboro, but I just thought it was cool. I thought, and then having Azteca and Canada too, but I really, I thought it was a huge win. What do you think, CR? Yeah, it was really, really awesome to see American sports fans and American football fans take to all these different nations being camped at their, at their cities like the Lawrence Kansas Lgeria story was fantastic outside of Philly. They're like, hey, he was there. I think I've recosed was there. So it's just been like very, very cool to see people embrace other cultures and embrace other like sports cultures that way. And I think if you had told us in like May, you know, everybody's going to be doing Viking Rose and Lawrence Kansas is going to become an outpost of Algeria. Like you'd be like, what are you talking about? But this was a really heartwarming experience for the most part. It was a perfect example of phrases that have never been uttered before in history of being uttered. It's like the Ecuadorians and the Ivorians are playing flip-cup in a Philadelphia parkin lot against each other. Like, wait a minute, what? And then, you know, there's a lot of like, we are the world piece in love and the halftime show really leaned into that today too. And Tom Cruise with dramatic readings of soccer ethos and the global game and all that stuff is nice. But it actually happened in real life. And like, we watched it happen for months, you know, the Mexicans in the Korean singing, Gagnum style in the streets of LA on opening day when they both won. Like the those kind of things are what make this tournament so unique. And there is nothing else in the world, not even the Olympics that come close to that. I think this is my favorite summer sporting event since 2012 Olympics, London. There's number one for me. Yeah, I far. Trying to think 2012 Olympics was great. I was also there, so that made it even greater. Well, all the stuff you mentioned about the different cities and the people and the different cultures, not to get corny, but I would say our country kind of needed it. We needed some positivity and some, you know, I'd like to think about like what happened in Boston. The Scotland Boston thing went so well that we apparently are going to do some sort of combination things with the two cities. Like joint events back and forth. Like what's going on in like cultural exchange? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what's going on, but it was really cool. And when you think like I don't even know how, if how many bad things happen, but there was a million good things, you know, and I don't know, I was a little worried. The heat was seemed okay. But just in general, I hope we get it back again. More years ago. FIFA, I don't know if you've seen this, but FIFA has kind of rigged it in a way because they supposed to rotate continents. Yeah. And the next world cup is 2030 and it's Spain, Morocco, Portugal. So that knocks out Africa and Europe. And they're doing these ceremonial games in South America to commemorate a hundred years of the world cup. So they're knocking out three continents in one world cup, which means for them, they can go back to Saudi Arabia in the Middle East in 2034, Qatar in 22. And then in 2038, the only continent left to host the world cup is North America again, where I'm going to expand the world cup again. So I would say we're nods on favorite. Was that was that Trump infantino press conference where he's like, it's going to be in America and in China. Was that him just making something up as he was going along? Or is that yeah, I'm going to say travel wise. That one does. That would be tough. Yeah. That would be a tough one. It's tough, tough playing foot. Uh, quickly more winners. Cape Verde we mentioned. Awesome for them. Yeah. The messy Yomal photo got two days of internet content for everybody. Jude Belly him. Kind of controversial heading into the world cup. People thought, I don't know. Is he team player? Should we even keep him on by the end of it? People are like, is this the, is this the most talented soccer player who's ever lived? Uh, I would say that was a win for him. Um, and then finally that last goal he scored at the meaningless third place game. And you, unless you bet on the over for goals, which Diplano is urging us for, uh, like double the over, right? It's like tripled the over, right? I mean, I also bet France. So kind of lost on that one. But we did over. Yeah, it was two and a half and then it went to three and a half CR. Come on. But yeah, did you see that in Jude Belly hamps here? Uh, I had seen that the year previous, the two years ago at Madrid, he looked like the best player in the world. And also really the most clutch, which is what he was for England until that Argentina match where I don't know whether it was a matter of him running out of gas or Argentina just game planning for him, but he barely seemed to get a look in, uh, during that match. So disappointing end of the tournament. But for, for him, it was like such a huge, huge, huge like statement tournament. And like, you know, he becomes now the centerpiece of the England team for the next generation if Cain goes away. Also, just like for England in general, the wonder wall thing. I think this was a very likable England side when there have been England sides that you could be like, I could kind of take her leave these dudes. And for the most part, like a really, really like easy to cheer for side. Yeah, I was in Hawaii for the game they won on Saturday. And we were in the car listening to the radio after because we watched the game in a place and they did the wonder wall thing. And my wife didn't know it was going on. And she's like, this is awesome. What is this? And I was like, they do this after every game. And she's like, that's unbelievable. It's ever better better. She was going, that's about it. But it is like the perfect sports song. I feel like we have a new wave of sports songs in the 2020s because Mr. Brightside's another one. Yeah. That's taken off. I feel like we finally shed some of the 90s 2000 ones. Your generation, Debundo. I think we're cooking. I don't know. Yeah, I think you're cooking with some of these songs. Talker does have some of the best ones. Like freed from desire is such a great, you know, dance song, titanium. People love titanium. It's like a perfect pre-match anthem. But why don't NFL teams college, like college teams have, I guess, with the, you know, the alma mater of the schools. But so many of these pro teams could lean into this a little bit. Yeah. The patriots had the outfields, your love that they would play in key moments. And there's this famous, you can look it up on YouTube. It's probably the best Patriots fan clip. The Ravens game where we never should have beaten the Ravens. When we came back in 135, 31, when they did the double pass cheating at the line, that whole game, they had a defensive stand. There's a timeout. And the whole crowd is singing your love for the entire time out. I gotta tell you an awesome. Yeah. Pittsburgh has renegade, right? But they do that. Yeah, renegade is good one too. Yeah. When I go home today and I look that up on YouTube, like, I guarantee you, it's the first time I will have YouTube search Patriots fan clips. And I was like, I'm like, how do you clean your love? Yeah. Quickly more winners. Embape, even though France, France, you know, they made the final four, but he certainly came out of this tournament. I don't think he lost any standing. I would say. He needed it. He needed it. Yeah. Also, only say I think was the guy who like, like Holland, if you hadn't watched a lot of Bayern, we'll always say just left off the screen to people. Yeah. I have Terry on Ray. I thought he was awesome. I really thought he had a couple great, that one time it was like a week ago when he broke down Spain for like five minutes, how they play. It was one of the best broadcast clips. I thought he had to do a lot of work on that set. We'll get to more on that later when we get to the losers. I have four more winners gambling. The World Cup is incredible to gamble on because you can get a little risky and, you know, like you can roll the windows down and put your arms out and just do the straight up 90 minute win lost bet. You can bet the draw. You can go to the one to advance, which is the one I settled in, but you can parlay stuff. I actually really enjoyed, and I felt like I was getting pretty good at it by the end of Bundo. Now, probably partly because I was listening to you a lot, but I had the winner today. I had Spain with a DDP sunny, great three team parlay CR. That's the fighter. I think. Yeah. Are you the only guy in the world who bets Spain and sunny, great today? No, that's not what I meant. It's just me and so. Other, the game was really fun. I thought Beckham was weirdly a winner for the World Cup, even though he's retired a million years ago, I felt like he was everywhere and there were a lot of celebrities all over the place, but it felt like he, it felt like he was like the royalty at the World Cup, and I don't really understand why. And he was in every ad too. David Beckham, everybody knows him. As Tekka, I have his a winner just because it was fun to have them involved. And then last but not least, people that bitch about US soccer's infrastructure banner week for them when we, uh, when we lost, we was really a lot of soul searching about how we, uh, how we come up with our strategies. I've been, I've been reading, uh, about the Chinese Communist Revolution to try to, to go right, to close, come say with a general, general sale, documentary, any other winners before we get the losers really quick? Darren Fletcher and Owen Hargraves, his broadcast team. I know there's a really interesting dynamic that I've now since learned about, uh, the Brits don't like him. And I think I, I think I know why. I mean, he's a little bit different than the traditional commentator. I think if I listened to him every week for a year, I might get a little annoyed, but for him to come into the tournament and steal the show and make it such an entertaining broadcast. Him and Graves are fun, Hargraves are funny together. They bounce off each other really well. And I think everybody was like, why don't these guys call the final and look, I love Stuholden, but, uh, yeah, yeah. Fletcher and Hargraves were, were the, were the star commentary team. And I know awful announcing just a rankings. And they got by far the highest score. And it felt that way. Also, shout out to being in bars and having the bar play. Tell them window, uh, every once in a while, that really hits hard. Yeah. I in general bars. I think we're winners too. Yes. It was really fun to watch. It's the best part for it. It really is because it's, you can kind of, you can come down here and be in a conversation, but monitor and you know, it's, you can kind of jump in and out of games. You know, you're going to be at the bar for about like two hours, two and a half hours, 100%. My big, my team is in a big game. I like my teams I root for. I need to be locked in in like a living room setting, quiet with friends or close small group. I cannot watch a big game in a bar except for soccer where like the whole entire bar is involved and invested in the game. That is the one sport that I feel like, maybe I'm not going to be able to analyze it to the level that I would hope to, but I'm still going to enjoy it a lot more than if I go watch a college football game or an NFL game or my favorite team in a baseball world, like a playoff game, forget it. Like I got to be on the couch. I watched the Cape Verde that the three two game. Yeah. I watched that at a bar with my daughter and a boyfriend of my wife and the place was out of its mind. And then penalty kicks in a bar is really fun too. That's anybody. Everybody's paying attention to that. I got to tell you I was watching Argentina Cape Verde on my phone at a hotel pool. And it was like two, two and I or whatever. And I'm like, I can't believe like this might be the greatest sporting upset ever. And some guy in the pool is like, I bet Argentina. And I was just like, congratulations, man. Yeah. You can really tell the future. What a call. Well, the topless pool or regular pool. Regular pool, but thanks losers. England's coach. I'm starting with him too cool. You bring them in because it's like, you know what? We're not going to be fucking pussies anymore. We're going to we're going to attack. We have a really good, you know, we've all this talent and offense. And we're going to be the aggressors. This is a new version of us. And then all of a sudden they get a one nothing lead against our Argentina and just fucking turtle, which is fine. You guys talk to business on Wednesday. If it's as tech on your down a man, I get it. But why are you doing that in this game? And you could feel the goal coming for 15 minutes. And then I just, I just don't understand it. And I and I heard people talking about it after. And the best point I heard, I can't remember who said it was like, find me the one England fan who's like, no, no, we did the right thing. The person doesn't exist, right? Everybody was against this. So why? I think that he felt like they were losing control of the midfield. Like they could not keep the ball and that he did not have the right options to put into the game to keep the ball. So we had to put the options into defend. That's the only argument I can make for what he did. He did it 15 minutes too early, at least. That's how I felt. You agree with that, 80? I do. And you know, there's one guy you got a key in on. If you're going to play that strategy when you're playing Mexico, they don't have the one player who you really need to watch out for, right? Argentina does. We know who he is. And to get done on two separate situations, one of which where, you know, is a one on one messy draws a second defender. Nobody's out on Enzo Fernandez, who is an excellent long-range shooter. That can't happen. And then you just let Messi sit on the right side and just ping crosses and that's the desk ends. But I think I think the most jarring thing was the soccer, the soccer element. Yeah. It's an elite outlet and a lead at keeping the ball. He can be play on the transition. How can he not give you 20 minutes? Why are you bringing on concept for Gordon when you could bring on soccer for Gordon and immediately changes the whole complexion of the last 20 minutes just by having him on the pitch? Yeah. And it's also like he was brought in partially to be unsentimental. And he had this whole phase of the first part of his time with the squad where it looked like he was falling out with Bellingham. And he was just like Bellingham needs to play like for the team and not play for himself. But at the end, I thought he was way too sentimental about Kane, who I thought like looked completely gassed in that match. And he could have brought a walk-ins to be an outlet or Tony to be an outlet. And he just decided to stick with Kane, who was kind of anonymous in the last half an hour and you know, he was able to close down UNZO too. He's part of that. Yeah. It was interesting on the podcast Wednesday hearing him right talk about that. He was pretty critical of the Harry Campees. Yeah. Especially when you think about it, like you could also just put your fastest guy in the team at high-forward. So they at least have to think about, oh, if we're pushing everyone up, like that could happen. I got a bunch of emails about levels of losing with the England loss because it wasn't a typical loss because you have to factor in the history and the fact that the World Cup is every four years, right? But remember, I mean, I wrote and rewrote the column. I can't remember how many times, but I had the different levels. And there were two levels that I felt like it was a combo of the guillotine, which you felt the guillotine, the moment they turtled. And then the stomach punch of the second goal, I think the combo of those. So it was somewhere in that, it wasn't like the last level, but it was somewhere in there. I thought it was an awful loss. I think the scariest thing, not even the scariest, but the when the Enzo Fernandez scored that first goal, it did not seem like anyone on England was like, game on. Let's go. Now it's right. Okay. We're going to go back down the other end and put it right to them, but they were like, shit, we have to play for 20 more minutes like that. Like it just, it just was a really, really bad miscalculation. That was like the weight of that's, you know, franchises, countries, whatever can have the baggage of the losses. Like we said this up on the Buffalo Bill sometimes and depending on the sport, these teams, but the next even had it when the next fall behind by 29 in game four. It's like, oh my God. And then all of a sudden that flipped. And it just never flipped back for England. Right. That last 30 minutes, the baggage came, but then they never had the, the Americans, they never had the OG tip in the guys to do it. Like who's going to go to the goal now? Like Nico Riley as Reconsa defenders. Dan Berr was playing striker. It was great. A couple more losers. Pulist, Pulisic. I think when you think about what was sitting there before the tournament versus how we ended where it was just a three day argument about how much we see to blame. And does this guy have them and Lee and Donovan came flying it off the top rope. And this is kind of the moment for him. Like he's at that set. What is he like 27 27, right? This is 23 to 27 is supposed to be. I feel like one of your athletic peaks is a soccer player, but not only did it not happen. I had more questions about him after the tournament that I had before, which is durability. How good is this guy? If this guy's your best player, how far are you going? Do you feel worse about him now? A date or do you have all these things anyway? On the field. My opinion doesn't really change. He's still their best player. I know nobody wants to hear that right now. It's such a fall or fall though. Like the first 45 minutes against Paraguay, he was so amazing, right? And this is like this is his moment. And then he gets the injury and that's kind of the story of his career. But off the field, I think it would be impossible to not have more questions about him. One, he's always had this captain America moniker that he was handed. Has he ever actually wanted it? Not clear. He never seems to like the attention of all the documentaries and stuff. But he likes to walk around like he's their best player. And like he's everybody's supposed to know it. He's not the captain of this team. And he wouldn't have been the captain's second choice if if Timry wasn't 38 or wasn't on the team. He wouldn't have been second or third or fourth choice for captain. That's always alarming if my best player is never close to actually wearing the arm band. I don't know what his relationship with Pudge Tino is, which could matter going forward. And yeah, like he just doesn't display the kind of leadership that we look for from our best players on our best sports teams. We expect that. And he's never really given it. And I think that's why you start to feel these, these things bleed into the on the field stuff as well. Incredibly bad sign that all those ex players felt like they had the green light to tee off on him. Yeah, right now. It's so coordinated. It was like if you guys do this, there will be no pushback. Feel free to go in your pods and rip this guy. And that's not that's not a positive development. No. Well, this isn't new. It's not new. Last summer, Pulisic's dad was arguing with land in Donovan using chat GPT over whether or not Christian Pulisic should or should not sit out the gold cup. So this isn't new, right? You know, the land and stuff. But then when Carly Lloyd throws her hat in the ring and Sydney LaRue, she whipped her hat and a lot of people are throwing their hats in the ring, getting ready to get their shots at the piñata. So something when they're smoked, there's fire. I think it's very obvious. Talked about this with Closterman about, you know, is there an edge that we need? Is that going to be the thing that makes a difference to being one of the 16 best countries in one of the four to eight? And you can watch our Argentina the last couple of games. It's like, we wouldn't fucking die to get some. They would absolutely bullied us the whole time. Another loser, FIFA, everybody hates FIFA and that did not change after this World Cup. If people was looking to rehab their image at all, mission not accomplished. People just don't like them and that's not going to change. Here's another one. God damn, I hated these. The hydration breaks. Yeah. They're just commercials. Let's call them what they are. These aren't hydration breaks. Like some of these games, it was 70 degrees outside. I understand when we're in the fucking Middle East playing soccer. I get it when it's 100 degrees in the field. But these are commercials and, I don't know, ADU care about soccer as much as anyone I know. Like, this isn't soccer. You're supposed to play straight through for 45 minutes with three to nine minutes of added time after you're not supposed to just stop halfway through. Yeah, they have it in place in the Premier League for very specific circumstances. They have it in place for other leagues. If the temperature is above X, we will enable for a brief hydration break. I don't like, I mean, look, FIFA kind of also stuck it to us because now the Americans, the boogie men of soccer to everybody else in the world, we get blamed for instituting hydration breaks. It was FIFA's decision, FIFA, this as a, as a, as a grab, as a money grab and try to level the playing field indoor games with hydration breaks. They were like timeouts and you could literally see teams like, Oh, we just got to get to the hydration break and then change up our tax. That's not how the game was designed to be played. If you want to break it into quarters, that's a different debate. That's basically did, but they, you know, did that without doing it. And I think that's why it feels deceptive. I thought it was interesting to see managers tactically evolved to knowing that they had to get to a hydration break or something could change after a hydration break. But more often than not, the hydration break ruined momentum within the match. And that I would be very curious to see a simulation of this world cup without those breaks and see how many, what kind of variance we got in results. Because I think that there was a way in which it kind of like anytime the underdog was threatening that the sort of favorites had this hydration break to be like, Okay, let's go get our shit together, guys. Like what's going on? Ultimately, like I saw one clip of Mo Salah saying does a lot on like, thank God we had a hydration break out there. We would have been dead. But I think that was like in Houston or wherever he was playing, it was hot. When you see guys getting hydration breaks in air conditioned stadiums, it's just, it's kind of beyond the payoffs and something. Yeah. Like France, Paraguay, July 4th and Philly, they needed a hydration break. It was 100 degrees. Yeah, but you know, the semi finals, Spain and France, when it's 78 indoors in in Dallas, man, don't need it. Don't need it. Don't want it. Who wants this? Most of the time in England, they're playing. It's like 40 degrees in reigning. So it's like it's like when they hit the 80s. Yeah, it's like, all right, maybe we need a break, but yeah. If you're in a dome, you don't need a hydration break. What's what's just all agree on that one? Yeah. I had Ronaldo as a loser. We don't need to go in that. Side line reporters, something I know, our man Jeff Shrieves. Don't listen to no, like we, I'm so used to football and basketball, especially where we have to go to side learn reporters, even when they don't really have content to give us. But anytime somebody gets injured, even a little bit, we have to go and it's like, oh, there's Lisa Salter. She's in the tunnel and it's like, oh, he, he, his finger bent back. They just put it back. He'll be back in a minute in the world cup. There was mystery with like, who was the team where it was like a week ago when the team's goal, they just left. It was like, yeah, he's injured. He said, who was the goalie? I'm blanking on the country. Was it Courtois or Belgium? Yeah, yeah, Belgium. Yeah. Yeah. And he's just like, yeah, he's heard. It's like, oh, he's coming out of the game. And it's like, what happened? This is like their second best player. This guy is out of the game. The backup blew the game. Even back up to the game. And we never had Lisa Salter's been like, yeah, the starting goal is out of the game because of this. And I got to be honest, I kind of liked it. Yeah, I liked the mystery of being like, yeah, I don't know why that guy just left. We're all going to be fine. We don't need an answer sometimes. Anyway, it's harder to work them into the game. This is so flowing and so quick. Right. President Fowell, you know, like, all right, there was a pun. We're going to have like 48 seconds. Right. We have time. I think it makes it all the more profound for a loser that I am sure you're going to mention at one point bill, which is bar. And that's like less that. Wait, hold on, VAR. Because that's my last. I had lawless. We don't need to kick a dead body. But lawless just could not have been a worse six weeks for a lot of a couple of times. He'll be back in two summers. He'll be back in two years. I'm sure he'll, he'll be on a Netflix deal to do the women's game. And then he'll be, no matter what happens, he can't kill me. This is what I listen to you. Lawless is over there. It's just turned. It's just no, no interest in hearing anything. He says, um, I didn't love the main team either. I thought Stu Holden. He's fine. He's good at like breaking down the big picture stuff. But you got to talk more about when a team is doing the roughhouse shit. It was like, he was really afraid to be critical of, oh, I don't know. We need to replay that. It was almost like he didn't want it. He wanted to be the opposite of Jeff Vingundi when Vingundi kind of lost his mind with the reps and what is, oh, my God. What's that call? He did the opposite. There were calls that first goal that got taken away today. I still don't understand what the penalty was. Yeah, that was definitely a penalty. It was like, it was marino stepped on Otamendi's foot. Was that what happened? But it took like an old man is sold the shit out of it. Yeah. But the Spanish players in the box up in the stands, like to David Vien, all those guys seem to know, like, oh, they're going to call that off immediately. And Stu Holden's like, what, what, what, like, yeah. Right. All right. Last one other than bars was Turkey. The team that they made them flag. They didn't give them. Or Uruguay. Or Uruguay. There's a lot. What a tough fright flight home. And then last but not least, Var. Okay. Make the case. Make the carry. What's in the defender? What's here? Look, I understand why people don't like Var. Var gets so many more calls, right? If you wanted to bait the offside rule, if you wanted to bait the red card rules, if you wanted to bait what isn't as an penalty, and how the game should be wrapped, that is a fair thing. But Var is a good application of the current rules. And everybody overlooks just how many bad calls were made in the prevar era that would have made ridiculous goals stand or vice versa. Because now Germany Germany handball 2002 CR. Yes. Look, I as somebody I've been watching Premier League since '05, about like for the first 10, 15 years of watching it, 80% of the coverage was about refereeing. Like it's not like this didn't overshadow the sport the whole time. I think it just takes away from what makes football amazing, which are those cathartic moments where you think something, you know, when something incredible has happened, and the crowd goes wild, and the players go wild, and then all of a sudden, it's like, well, we're going to go look on a screen for 45 seconds to five minutes. And I just need it to be about very specific things, whether it's off sides or whatever. And I needed to have a cap on how long they can look at something. And I do think some of the fouls that they're looking at, they're looking at in like stop-motion like slow-mo when it really should be more evaluated is what happened in real time. The balligan situation being the perfect example of that, right? The other problem that Vaar now has is actually Vaar has created a problem in and of itself because they're letting plays play out now, right? Yes. Black used to go up in the old days, and there wasn't Vaar. The ref blew the play dead immediately because the ref made the decision. There is no review. But now when the flag goes up, we watch the next 10 seconds of soccer happen. And then the goal, and then, oh, no, the flag was up. This is Egypt, Argentina. It's Egypt's second, right? Yeah. We see that with a ton of goals now. Like, call back because they know they have Vaar as the safety net. They're letting extra things play out. So we're seeing more almost goals that again, would not have been goals ever because the referee did put his hand up. And so I think we only look at the times when Vaar gets it wrong. If you wanted to, again, if you wanted to bait off side rule and where where should the line be, that's a totally different debate. But Vaar, I still think is good at adjudicating that Brian Phillips did write a great piece though for the ringer, which I enjoyed reading on why Vaar sucks. And I don't agree with him, but I always read him. I hate Vaar. I think if you're going to have it, Vaar's going to catch more stuff, right? Vaar is basically, it's the camera at a four-way intersection and you went through and you thought it was a yellow, but it was a red and it nails you. If you're going to have Vaar, I do think they need to rethink the card system because, and the perfect example is when they called the flop and the guy got the red card. What game was that? All these games buttoned together. But I do think they need it. And Baogan was another one where they almost need a third card where If you get sent off, maybe you get sent off for $50,000. a blue card. Maybe it's like, oh, he didn't mean to do that, but that was definitely something. So you're gone for 15 minutes. For the next 15 minutes, you guys are playing 11 v 10. Yeah, there's some sort of better version of this that the two yellows, that second one, which could go any given way. And it could really change who should have won the game. And I don't like that. Yeah. I mean, I'm up to minds of it. End of Fernandez today is a really good example of like, he gets a yellow for descent. He probably should have gotten five yellows over the course of the match. He deserved to get kicked up. Yeah. Yeah. That kubarcy play is very bang bang. I mean, he definitely helicoptered him, but it wasn't like the d'yong tackle from Spain Holland from like years ago when d'yong kicked Shabby Alonzo in the chest. It was like a pretty bang bang play in midfield, but like, he's got to know better. He just got his first yellow eight minutes ago. Yeah, he needs to know, like, if I get sent off in a World Cup final, we are going to lose. And I like watching guys have to play with that kind of calculus sometimes just because it makes the game like have that much more extra. It's the five thousand basketball, right? Or it's like, okay, I can't challenge that shot anymore. I have five. Okay. Now we can attack Wendy. He's got five files. Yeah, exactly. Right. Right. Yeah. I just, it feels like there's a better way to do the whole system because they're on the one hand. It's like, well, yellow card red card. This is how we've always done it. We'll be you didn't always have var. Right. So if you're going to change that part of it, then maybe the rest of it should evolve. I feel the same way with the, with the NBA too. Like, you know, may there's got to be something better than just flagrant fouls, tech flagrant one, flagrant two. Like I do think we can evolve with that. I don't like var. I thought it ruined at least 20 of the most fun moments in the tournament, but it's like, oh, let's go. Oh, it's not because here we go. I also think if you're going to have the bar, maybe the offsides, maybe they can be a tiny bit more leeway, you know, where it's like, oh, he was, you know, this far over past the guy. It's offsides. Like, is it? It's like eight inches. There's a couple of like proposals out there to how to adjust offsides. I don't know if any of them will ever get passed. And if they do, do they get passed by you a foot, but not fever or what, but like, Venger, that's a different offside rules would be fun to referee, huh? Yeah. The rule is basically that the wenger rule is like arson venger, arsonals, former manager wants to make it sort of any part of your body is in line with the last defender. You are on. You have to have so you can be basically like, my hand is back here with the guy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I wouldn't be opposed to way better. But yeah, you have to have it. You have to. That's a way better one. My last losers, Raheem Palmer refused to watch the World Cup. I got one more too. Realme admitted, admitted. Raheem Palmer admitted he would rather watch HBO boxing on the smart channel. And that's what he was watching during the days over like World Cup semi-finals. I thought you like sports for him. Jesus. What would you have, AD? Real Madrid is a loser. How does a team, and I like those, we can do a whole pot on that. But like, Real Madrid have Vinnie Jr. Embape and Bellingham. And they have under achieved dramatically for the last two years. There's fights within the camp. There's literal players fighting each other. I mean, CR did a good pot on this as well back in the spring. The fact that they have all this talent and can't put together a coherent team that can challenge for the Champions League or La Liga is embarrassing. But this is why we love team sports like the Red Sox. The Red Sox have somehow one 13th straight. They're under on when the Red Sox were going to get mentioned in the World Cup. No crochet. Roman Anthony, the next Ted Williams is out for the whole year. I think our most expensive guy's Trevor story who hasn't played at least for two and a half months. They have so many utility infielders popping in and out. You most likely don't know who's who at this point. And then they have these two guys in the middle of order who are crushing and every start to go six innings. And the team has chemistry now. And it doesn't make sense. Sports doesn't make sense. And I feel like that was soccer. It's got to be the same thing where you can load up all these. You can basically have an all-star team. But you end up like that one Eagles team that year with awesome one. All those guys. Oh my god. Oh wow. And Eagles dream team reference partly. Yeah. Austin Red Sox reference cash. Yeah. This is kind of why I mean like even though like PSG definitely got nation state funding to build their club up, like it's kind of amazing to watch how they had him pop it. They had Bessie. And they got rid of like a lot of their star players and now play like the most perfect encapsulation of club football and of one multiple Champions leagues because of it. Well, I won last announcement before we send Debundo away. This is my daughter's last soccer season this year. This is it. I've been riding with her since 2009. I'm going to get back into Premier League and LaLiga in a real way. And I'm doing some real scouting now. I'm trying to figure out who to attach to. And it's tough. It's tough to wait in, especially as old as I am now. Just like, oh, you are now my favorite team. Like this is an issue. But I think the answer is pick a team every year and just put a big bet on them before the season. And I think I'm going to do that this year because and I don't know if it's going to be Premier League or LaLiga. But I'm going to obviously be consulting with both of you and try to target a team. And that's just going to be my team for the year. Do you have any residual Tottenham affection from your original like your original. It's a good time to buy low bill. Let me tell you, we could not be lower. I don't. I don't. It's not really low, but we could not be lower. We I do think this could be a like a mid-August podcast because I did the column 20 years ago and I picked my EPL team and I had all these different factors. This is this could be more of just the heart wants what the heart wants. It's like, can I just refer Holland for an entire season? Just put a giant man city bet on and maybe that's just where I refer. I don't know. I'm willing to accept suggestions though. Some of the guys that jumped out like I did enjoy beling him, I got to say. And that's probably. I can't mess these out because he's an MOS. I can't jump on his bandwagon. So I don't know. I'm going to need some guidance from you guys. Well, you are. I mean, you could pitch Liverpool. They're fun team. I can't because of John Henry. John Hunter is a non-starter. Yeah. I can't. I can't do it. I can't have you get your two John Henry teams. It's new castle. They didn't get relegated, right? No, they're fine. Yeah, but they have sold their best players to meet financial regulations. They have a hard second apron situation. That was the one when when I was trying to pick a team. That was the one that really captured my fancy, but it didn't pass the if I travel to go see the team play as in a destination you want to go. And that was like not great for Newcastle. But I've always enjoyed I enjoyed the fans and the whole thing. Anyway, how loves Arsenal Bill. So you have to you could choose another you could choose Arsenal with Jeff. I would advise against who's who's that in Friedland's team? Is that Arsenal. Yeah, yeah, that can't they seem to be I think they might have surpassed Man United in recent years. This is anecdotal, but like in terms of their popularity in America. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was the most like rooting for the Yankees because that's so I don't want to pick. Manchester United, I think United. Yeah. Who's the most like rooting for the Lakers? Hmm. Is that would that be city? I mean, cities more like new money like they they're more like. So they're like the Dodgers. Yeah, that would be more like the Dodgers where it's just like every good player winds up there because they just have the money to buy them. And Chelsea are spending money like the Dodgers. They're run by a group that own the dog, but they're run very poorly. I'm going to figure this out. I'm going to be consulting you the bundle. Thanks for thanks for coming on. We're sending you away in CR and I have to do a Matt Damon versus Leo DiCaprio battle. Once I'm for all, we're going to figure this out. Thanks to Bundo. Good to see you. We'll see you in the ringer gambling show this week. All right, CR. Here we go. It's time in 2016. When I had my failed HBO show, we did some sort of ad campaign and one of my takes was every Leo movie would be just a little bit better of Matt Damon was in it. And people got mad and said, I was a Boston homer. Now we're 10 years later. And Matt Damon, in the best movie of his life, the Odyssey, a movie you and I have both seen. I'm not going to do. We won't do any Odyssey spoilers on this podcast, but I might not my Wednesday podcast. But Damon kind of needed this for the resume. This was like like the late 30s, messy World Cup title to just vault them up to a different thing. Let's go big picture Damon versus Leo. And then I have a whole bunch of categories that I didn't prepare for at all. Okay. Damon versus Leo go. All right. So Damon essentially has twice as many movies as Leo, right? Like he is more of an everyday player, I think likes to play. He'll go calm and do a cameo. He'll do a supporting actor part. He doesn't have the sense of self that I think DiCaprio does where there's like Leonardo DiCaprio knows there are Leonardo DiCaprio parts with Leonardo DiCaprio directors. And he is fine sitting out five years to wait for one of those. I think that Damon has played a bigger part in my movie going life. And in a weird way, I just have more affection for him because he's more approachable as an actor and as like a celebrity, whereas DiCaprio still seems like a space salient to me. But you can't deny that if you take Leonardo's five best movies and put them up against. Because Damon's five best movies, well, I was gonna say you can't deny it, but I don't know. We're going through this obviously, I'm team Damon, but I had a whole bunch of categories, and as we go through this, I think you're going to realize, because I think the general perception would be, oh, Leo's had a better career, Leo's a better actor. So my question is, are we sure? Best movies by decade. Okay. So 90s, 2000s, 2010s, 20s. So Damon now has Goodwill Hunting that imparted the Martian and the Odyssey. Yep. Leo has Titanic that imparted, I would say Wolf of Wall Street in one battle. Yep. That's pretty tight. Maybe slight edge to Leo. I go to Capri other. Yeah. But not. But it's kind of. It's by giving them both the departed. It's a little bit of like a push, but yeah, I go to Capri, I still iconic rewatchables. Damon has interstellar oceans, interstellar, we have not done yet. Interstellar oceans 11, rounders, born identity. I'm all doing movies. We, I did these categories so that if I mentioned a movie, then we can't mention it again. Because obviously, Goodwill Hunting is an iconic rewatchables. So four more movies. Iconic rewatchables we have mentioned yet, interstellar oceans 11, rounders, born identity. And then for Leo, once upon a time in Hollywood, catch me if you can in the aviator, I would say, or three, I think, I think Damon wins. And if you go actual rewatchables, we've done, Damon, we've done 10, we've done seven. We haven't done all the borns. But I think, I think Damon wins that one. Yeah. This speaks to like Damon being willing to be the third lead of oceans, you know, like and Capriode doesn't do that. Oscar bait is our next category, Damon, Ford versus Ferrari, true grit, Invictus, the Good Shepherd, Seriana and talented Mr. Ripley, which is a key part of the Damon case if you're gonna, that probably his best performance in any movie. Leo has don't look up the Revenant, Django and Shane revolutionary war in the aviator. What do you mean? Yeah. I mean, it's Leo. Okay. Yeah. Slight edge or just a full Leo? I think Leo full, full Leo for Oscars. And especially if you look at the totality of his work, he's like more often than not. If he acts, it's going to be considered an Oscar nominee. It's a little like the Kyrie Irving. I play 55 games a year and my stats are awesome. Where's Damon's like, I'm here to entertain my fans for 82 games a year. Plus playoffs. Move Michele Bridges. Yeah. Awesome team player movies, Damon, Oppenheimer, Margaret, Saving Private Ryan, Contagion and Dogma Leo, Marvin's room and other than that, not a team player. No interest is Damon. Yeah. Yeah. But Leo's not interested in being just, you know, setting some picks, grabbing some rebounds and a couple of threes. Damon. Damon's happened to be hearing in Steven Soderbergh movies that like 11 people saw. Yeah. Yeah. Action movies that we haven't even mentioned yet. Damon, the Rip, Green Zone, Elysium and the whole Born franchise. Leo's basically body of lies and blood diamond. TIA. Damon. Damon wins this one. Yeah. Exactly. Daddy. Fun movies. Just like, fuck it. Let's do it. Damon's got air. We bought a zoo in the Ocean's Trilogy. Leo hates fun. Doesn't really make fun movies. Not interested. He doesn't. Like, there's no midnight run in Leo's. No. Leo's question. You know, this would be fun to do this for four months. Noble swing movies. Damon has the last duel, still watered, downsized in the informant, Jerry and Promised Land. Where it's like, eh, take a swing. Yeah. Kudos. Leo has killers of flower moons, Shutter Island and gangs in New York. I, I think Damon takes more swings for swing movies. So I edge him though I admire what Leo will like go and get his name behind. Okay. Three and a half hour murder epic about Native Americans in Oklahoma is like a pretty big swing. Next category is gotta keep working. Damon has the great wall in the instigators and Leo has great cats being body of lies. Are you body of lies guys here? I am a huge body of lies guy. Are you really? Yes. Sneaky Oscar Isaac Deon waiters in that in the first act. Great one to revisit and acting really, really fun movie. Never, never took with me. I think those Leo's movies are better. Best cameo Damon has chasing Amy and then Euro trip where he plays the guy with the shaved head. That's the song. Things to ban, which is really funny. Leo's too snobby to do cameo. So what about Damon and Affleck also reprising good wall hunting for the Jay and Simon Bob thing? Right, right. Yeah. He's gonna pop in for regret he shows up everywhere. Yeah. Regrettables is gonna be a loss for Damon Leo has Jay Edgar celebrity man in the iron mask in the beach. I don't think he would do those for over again. Damon has suburban con the monuments man stuck on you, although he did meet his wife on stuck on you. All the pretty horses legend of bagger vans and brothers grim. Mm hmm. Tough fun. So Leo wants that. Last one is younger movies. Movies they made before they became who they became Damon has now Damon's four years older school ties the rainmaker Geronimo courage under fire Leo's got Gilbert grape this boy's life quick in the dead basketball diaries and Romeo and Juliet and Damon also turned down the quick in the dead. So Leo is so tight for me because I it's not like I'm like a big let's throw on Gilbert grape on a Friday night guy yeah, but I really like basketball diaries. I really like quick in the dead. I'm going to I'm going to edge it for Damon though edging because the school ties yeah and courage under fire is really good and he's really good in courage under fire. Kind of should have been nominated Damon has a couple should have been nominated since so does Leo. Okay. Now we're getting more fun part biggest flaw. So for Damon I had said yes too much. She has a hundred acting credits and for Leo it's said no too much. She only has 48 that includes all the TV. So I think that's a I think that's a draw movies with the guy trying to get home just trying to get home. Sure. Damon has the Martian interstellar the Odyssey and Private Ryan and Leo just has the Revenant. So Damon kills that and that's like there Damon not really trying to get home in interstellar. He's more try to stop other people from getting home right somebody's trying to get home. Yeah. Comedy Damon has multiple SNL guest appearances including playing Kavanaugh is all the Kimmel stuff that's been like a 25 year joke running joke 30 Rock got nominated for an Emmy all the Kevin Smith movies all his poppins and that and then who he played notion Leo no comedy at all. Counterpoint has Damon ever been as funny as Wolf of Wall Street. Is there anything as funny in Damon's whole entire catalog that tops Leo and Wolf of Wall Street throwing the orange juice. He's really fucking funny. That's good. Oh, that might have that's at least a draw then I mean Damon really has a big body of work. Leo is also a hysterical in one battle. It's fair. All right. We'll do a draw. Villain Leo has Django. Yes. Damon, interstellar, departed, talented Mr Ripley and school ties. That's a fucking Mount Rushmore. Damon easily. Yeah. And this is a great example of volume over over hits like Damon has more at bats being a villain than Leo does. Damon is a great asshole dick. Yes. Right. School ties. As soon as he realizes Brennan Frazier's Jewish like it's fucking on. And then I just watched it departed. That's a category coming up Damon's unbelievable in that. I just think he's a better dick biggest regret. Damon not being able to do Manchester by the sea because he was booked to another movie and had to give it to Casey Affleck Leo not doing boogie nights. He says is his biggest regret. But that also would have been he didn't do Titanic. I bet it's it's I bet it's Damon just because Manchester by the sea. Even though he said the right person got that role and it's really hard to imagine anybody by Casey Affleck in that role. But because Damon is such a huge supporter of Lonegan, it's kind of I would have to imagine that's a bigger regret than Leo passing on boogie nights to be in the biggest movie ever at the time. I agree. The biggest movie roles turned down Damon, the famous avatar had to turn it down because a born identity and it would have been 10% of the box office if he had done it. So cost him $250 million that he didn't do it. He also had the Heath Ledger part and broke back mountain that he decided not to do because he jokes that I was. already in a gay cowboy movie I can do too. Leo has the matrix. He turned down Neo talented Mr. Ripley turned that down and they gave it to Damon. Boogie nights, American psycho could have played the great male part. Yeah. And Anakin Skywalker and the second Star Wars prequel. So I think he wins that. He wins pretty good. It's pretty good. podcast interviewed talk show presence. Damon. I think Damon is an A plus. Yeah. David also becomes self-aware where he's like, I know exactly what you need, which is really good anecdotes. And I have a billion of them. Yeah. Yeah. Here's my Jack Nicholson departed story. I've never told it before. Yeah. I've seen him do it. Television. Damon has SNL behind the candle labra with Michael Douglas. Sure. Project green light, 30 rock entourage. She has seven Emmy Nams for TV. Leo basically is growing pains in parenthood. So I think Damon wins this one. Box office gross. Damon is higher, but he's made twice as many movies. He said estimated like close to 12 billion. Leo's at six and a half director buddies. Yeah. Leo has Scorsese in Tarantino. I would say at this point is Tarantino has to be a director buddy. Sure. And you could, I mean, obviously PTA, he wanted him for book units. He got him for one battle. I think that they have like a pretty movie though. I can't count PTA. Okay. Damon as Soderbergh. Like Soderbergh could be like, I'm throwing something in my garage tomorrow. Damon's like, I'm there. Yes. Is known as official director buddy for him. I feel like he is. Yeah. He's been in the last, he's been in the last three, right? So he's, no, he wasn't in tenet, but he's done Oppenheimer, Interstellar, No Odyssey. Yeah. I think that counts. Lonergan definitely. Kevin Smith. Yeah. So would you go to Soderbergh, Nolan, Lonergan, Kevin Smith or Scorsese in Tarantino. I think I draw a caprio. I think, okay. Life long, famous buddies. Damon has been at like Casey, Affleck and Krasinski. I think counts because they've had 20 years together. Leo has Lucas Haas, Toby McGuire and E for Montorage. With all just due respect to Lucas Haas and E for Montorage, I'm going to go with Damon here. Okay. Great. Roll model potential. Damon devout family man, stepdad, friend, charity guy for clean water, feeding people, 100 credits because he's just trying to feed his family. Uh-huh. Leo is banging models cares about climate change. He does care about climate change. Uh, I, a role model for me or a role model for her life. I, uh, I think Damon has the kind of life I would love to have, which it just seems like you work a lot, got a cool family. It's, yeah. Screenwriting Damon won the Oscar for Goodwill Hunting with Affleck. Leo's rent nothing. So he wins that. Okay. These are big ones. Most iconic movie moment that you can describe and forwards or less. For Damon, I have beating Teddy KGB. It's not your fault. And Tommy has the peeping. And I don't know what would be from the Odyssey, but is that more of a, a Philipsy more Hoffman moment? Damon's dead. They're, they're together. They're like this. Leo's got front of the Titanic. Dead guy's phone and sleeping in a bear. What would it be from the Odyssey? What's the forward great moment from the Odyssey? I think it was, uh, plucking the bow. When Damon plucks the bow. I think Leo wins. I think that Titanic thinks more famous than anything Damon did. Yeah. I mean, there's like five things in Django where you're like, Oh, my God. Best picture Oscar movies. These are movies. They appeared in that either got nominated one. Damon had three winners. Oppenheimer departed, St. Preparion nominated for Odyssey, four versus Ferrari, Martian, true grit, and Goodwill Hunting. So he's got three that one, five nominated. We don't know. He probably will get nominated for Odyssey. We don't know that yet. No, I'm saying the, the movie itself. Okay. Odyssey will, Odyssey will get nominated for best picture I'm guessing. And we'll probably win. So that would be the four. Leo has one battle departed Titanic all one. Killers of flower moon and don't look up both got nominated. I think I blocked that out of my mind. Don't look up nominated. I didn't. Yeah. Okay. And once upon a time in Hollywood. Okay. No, once upon a time in Hollywood, the Revenant Wolf Wall Street Django inception, the avid or Gangs in New York. So he has more better batting average too. Um, he also wins for nominations because he won for the Revenant, got nominated for one battle. Once upon a time, Wolf Wall Street blood diamond, the avid or Gilbert Grape. Um, Damon got, he won best screenplay for Goodwill Hunting, got nominated for the Martian Goodwill Hunting and Invictus. And he's going to get nominated for the Odyssey. He's still less. I think he got robbed for talented mysteryably. And I think he got robbed. I think he should have won for Will Hunting. He lost a Jack Nicholson in as good as it gets. If we're doing that over again, I think Will Hunting wins. I agree with you. I still think for Oscars. So we, Leo had what were Leo's nominations again. Do they? Leo has more one battle. Once upon a time, Wolf Wall Street blood diamond aviator and Gilbert Grape supporting and got robbed honestly twice for Titanic and catch me if he can. He should have been nominated for departed. He wasn't because it was the same year as blood diamond. Remember, he should have been, oh, that's why I think they had to pick. So he still wins. Um, all right. Two more range. I'll give you five characters for me. She told me more impressive range. Rick Dalton, Jordan Belfort, Q glass from the Revenant Billy Costigan and Jack Dawson from Titanic for Leo. Okay. Damon Odysseus, Colin Sullivan, Tom Ripley, Will Hunting and Mike McDee. I think if you also factor in things like behind the Campbell candle, Abra and the informant, I think Damon's got more range, weirdly. Is that is that a crazy thing to say? I don't think it is. I think Leo is very good at knowing exactly what he should do. It doesn't mean his stats aren't great. But Damon, I think what is, I think he's like a rock band who's like, look, like we simply, we just can't play clubs anymore. Like it would be pandemonium. You know, and play the Middle East, you know, to be like, they can't play like a 600 cap room. They have to go play like arenas because that's what they're and Damon could still like just show up and be like, Hey, yeah, I'll be in 30 rock. Head to head. The departed. That's our last category. We debated this. We did the departed. We did the re departed. We talked about who won that movie. Um, so there's three questions. Who won? Who had the harder part? What happens if they switch roles? I think the cap real one. I think Damon had the harder part. I think the movie is still incredible if they switch roles. And I remember, I don't remember exactly how we put this when we did the pod, but I think part of the part is that we didn't totally know Leo had that in him because it was like, you know, we grew up watching him as a kid. We were watching grow up as a kid and become a leading man. And he was like, Titanic, catch me with you, Ken. And then we didn't think he could be gritty, Boston crime movie, Leo. Then he pulled that off at the same time he pulled blood diamond. I do think Damon had the harder part though. Damon has the harder part, but Leo shows things like in those therapy scenes. Yeah, he's like, for me, you know, where you're just like, this guy is like hearing Jimmy right now. Like this is electric stuff. Damon's like really good at being a closeted prick who is leading a double life. And it's a very hard part. And the audience is going to hate him for the whole movie pretty much as soon as they find out who he is. But the caprio is just so electrified when you watch that movie. Just fucking kill me. Just fucking do it. Um, okay. We laid out all the categories. caveat. If Damon wins best actor for the Odyssey, they'll now be pretty even with all this stuff. I actually think it's a real conversation now because if you're going most impressive acting career the last 35 years, I think I would have said Leo, right? Yes. Daniel. I also think that there is like a kind of the caprio when he is in a movie like that movie is almost guaranteed to do pretty too very well in the box office, whereas Damon has been in some clunkers and his association with the film does not necessarily make it a blockbuster. So when Leo does a movie, it makes you go, huh? Leo did a movie like your, your, your interest is peak, but Damon's pumping out three a year. And we've kind of learned that. Oh, every once in a while there's going to be the insigators. Yeah, you might go make the great wall. Yeah. Right. Every once in a while, it's like, Oh, it's a, it's a Matt Damon quencher. We'll be fine. We'll get them now. next time, whereas Leo, every time there's more pressure on it, this all leads to, I thought Damon, I thought that was the best I've ever seen him in a movie. And I also thought very similar to the Revenant without, I don't want to spoil anything yet, because I know a bunch of people haven't seen it, but just a grueling movie to be in. And Damon's talked about that a lot with some of the interviews that he's done, where it's just like, I don't think this was, I think it was a rewarding experience. I don't think anything was fun. We had to lose a ton of money, a ton of weight. He had, there was a lot of stuff on water. And, you know, juice is basically getting the shit to that. He had to grow this giant beard. Hey, age of 30 years, he has to, and you know, like that movie is somewhat segmented where he's acting with certain people who are like, man, that was a great three weeks of shooting. So later Matt and Matt's got like six months. He really was in, I mean, he's in like 80% of the shots of probably one of the most demanding film performances I've ever seen. Yeah. And I was thinking like who would have been, because I've heard like Van Raus saying I would have been a better Christian bail movie, which whatever people could have opinions. Only one I can think of in the last 30 years that I think would have been as good as Damon and this is early 2000's Russell Crowe. I totally could have seen him in this. So the thing again, not I don't want to get into spoilers about the Odyssey, but it's not a gladiator part. It's got to have two elements of it. It's got to have a guy who's been kept from his family for decades, but it's also a guy who's working through why that is. And yeah, a guy who kind of steps on his own dick a couple of times and, and, and screws things up for himself and other people. And so it's not as simple as this is Maximus. He's awesome. And everybody follows him. It's got to be a little bit of of Colin Sullivan in there too. A little bit of like I've made mistakes. And, and I think that that's what he brings to the role that's so special that I'm not sure Christian bail necessarily would have. I could see bail getting very lost in like a method or a look or a voice. And Damon gets to bring all the associations that we have with Damon to that role so that we are like, yeah, you know what? Like, I'm cheering for this guy to get back even though I know one of the reasons or some of the reasons why he's not back is him. Right. I do think Russell Crowe could have done it back in the day. Yeah, it's, and more like it's a little proof of life. Right? There's like I said, do you think no one is like really thinking proof of life meets, meets Homa? I don't know why I'm giving him. I like it. Who us, who us could have played it? Like, I don't think I was talking about this last week when when I guess hosted and we were talking about like this would have been a very cool Heath Ledger part. Yeah. But I mean, Heath Ledger has been dead for 20 years. No, yes, I'm aware. But like it could have been at a different time. I wonder if someone like Keanu could have done it. But it's hard to imagine Keanu as a master tactician, which is what Odysseus is. It was interesting. I, the only other one I could think of from the last 30 years was Denzel. Yeah, sure it would have been, would have been really interesting for other people that go nuts about the casting of the Odyssey. Yeah. I think Denzel, like, the Denzel role given like how much you could physically expect from a guy his age at this point would have been like, maybe like mental. Yeah, or yeah, or even like was almost that would have been interesting. So did you think Damon had this in him? I'm trying to remember the last time he's done something so physically demanding. And it's been a while, right? I mean, the Jason Bourne movie. Yeah. I mean, I guess he's yoked in the rip and he's got his Odyssey beard in the rip. But it's nowhere close to this. It's nowhere. He's in his mid-50s. One of the things that I thought was cool about is it's a little like we were talking about messy before. Like you're at the tail end of where you could beat the guy in a movie like this, right? I think four years from now, no way. And I do think it was important that it was a truly famous actor in the role. I'll talk about it more on Wednesday, but I just was blown away by the Odyssey. I thought it was incredible. I think it's also awesome that he and all the things he said about this movie were like, this was going to be it for me doing a movie like this this way. Like maybe I'll do another born reboot where I'm bringing along a new Jason Bourne person or maybe I'll do another action movie, but it's never going to be like, hey, I need you to get on the ship and you're on the ship, man. Like you're strapped to the mast. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think Leo could have been in this movie? I do, but I'm glad it was Damon. I really am. And I think I think if like what we got out of these 18 months was Leo in one battle and Damon in the Odyssey, then we got the right handle to us. Playing the each guy playing the perfect role for whatever their life is. Yes. This is fun and time. Yeah. If you're doing the switches, I don't think Damon could have been in Wolf Wall Street in the same way. I don't think it would have been as good. No. Not at all. I think it brings like that kind of arrogance that Damon often undercuts with like his his own like, approachability and like his kind of humility that he has. I don't think Damon could have been in Titanic either. I think I don't I don't think that I don't think I know that this wasn't a one-to-one, but as an example of what Leo couldn't do, I don't think like Leo could have done the Martian. Necessarily. Where he's just by himself for an hour. Yeah, but where he's also being so funny and like kind of playful. It seems like he'd be like more like, no, my garden blew up. You know, I think Damon could have done Rick Dalton. I'm not sure it would have been as good. And then on the flip side, Leo as Mike McDee and rounders has my interest. It does. It's a slightly different performance, but I almost think he would have been better as warm with a leather jacket on just being a scumbag. I always wanted to see that version of him. But Damon is Rick Dalton. I think he could have done it. I wouldn't have put it. Damon got to play with Booth and that we had like the departed guys back together. Maybe that'll happen. And then I don't think I don't think Leo could have hopped into Ocean's 11 as the. But like Damon will do stuff that I just don't think Leo would have done. Leo is not going to be like, I'll be here to support Brad Pitt and George Cludy on a Caper movie. Right. Facial hair. Last category. I mean that beard was fucking unbelievable. Is it better than the Django facial hair? I don't I think it is. I couldn't believe it wasn't it wasn't a real. I couldn't believe it wasn't a fake beard. I found that out after the movie. I thought for. Yeah, for a year. Crazy. How many times are you going to see the Odyssey in the theater? I'm going to go see it with you this week. So I'll be two and I'll probably go see it a third time. Because this is one of those where you're like, I really want to see this as many times as possible on a big, big screen. I don't know what our final verdict was. I'm just glad Damon's in the conversation. I never gave up. I was mocked. I think your point overall point is that after the Odyssey, if if it's not, Damon could be in the lead and it's pretty close if he's not. Who's career would you rather have? I was just going to ask you. Would you rather than 100 movies? I would rather have Damon's. I think it just seems. I would rather have been in more movies with more people and had more experiences, but I also get why Leo played it the way he played it. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot of you. You got parties. I thought Leo got a little Scorsese heavy too. Would be my other thing. I think Damon's spread around a little more. That's a good point. You could probably make the same argument that Damon got a little over invested in Soderberg, but I think it's also paid off both for both of those guys. Do you see any way the Odyssey doesn't win Best Picture? After seeing it, it's kind of hard to believe. It's kind of hard to believe that the whole entire town wouldn't be like, hey, this movie is going to make a billion dollars. Like, we'll never be able to do something like this again. It's pushing the limits of technology, and it is really, really, really great. It's hard to imagine like an indie studio movie from award season and people are like, that's better. And there might be movies that are a better quote-unquote films, but it's really hard for me to imagine you guys going into the Oscars and being like, yeah, that was nice. The Odyssey. You can get a bunch of technical awards. And I think Damon, we got to see who else is going to be in that category, but I would say he's has a good chance. It was also really cool just this last Oscars to have sitters in one battle, and have it be like two movies that lots of people had seen. I think it's good for the Oscars to have it be that way. I liked what you and Sean said about on the pod on Wednesday about the greatest directors embracing whatever the newest technology is and trying to get ahead of it, which was, you know, people like Kubrick. That was one of the things that made him special. Yeah. I thought the same thing watching it. It was like, all right, there's only 41 i max theaters in the country or whatever. It's like, all right, cool, but there's still 41 theaters. and anyone else who sees this in any other theater is still gonna think it's awesome. But if you're lucky enough to see it on one of the IMAX theaters, it's like, I've never seen a movie like this. - And if they're smart, they'll do what they did within our stellar and they'll re-release this, you know, intermittently over the next 10 years 'cause people will turn out to go see this. - Yeah, I agree. All right, so yeah. How are you feeling about Jalen Brad? - Has it given a press conference yet? - Has it been acknowledged them? - There has been like acknowledgement through Mike Gansy, that the president of the team has been like, and being super excited. But I was like, pretty surprised that he is not given like the team press conference yet. And I couldn't tell if that was because there was like another deal in the works where it was like, we don't want to have to have him sit down and be like, I can't wait to play with this person and then have that person traded. - Then he's like the backup for the clippers if they can't get Kauai. - Yeah, but I just find that strange, but otherwise I'm like super excited. I'm so excited to have like a fresh coat of paint on this team. - The maps caught my attention today with the weird three way trade they were in. We're ludicrous. - The resuscitation. - Yeah. - They get resuscitation in Dallas. They use some of their exception for it, which I thought was the spot. I'm not telling my resuscitation yet. I thought he was on the wrong team. I still think there's something there. But it did make me think I still feel like the S&B team, if it ever happens. Dallas. - Yes, you mentioned. I have to say that that was in my time to Philadelphia, that was a take that was roundly rejected. - That they would train them? - Yeah, I just think it's like, it would be really weird to do that without seeing and beating Jalen Brown like together. Now I know you would essentially want it like, if you're going to get off of and beat, why not get off before the season starts? But I, I want to see them give it a shot at this line up. - Did you watch any summer league? - Who'd I watch? Oh, I've watched, uh, LeBaron. I watched some Philly summer league. Yeah. - Who'd go finally got it going in the summer league? Well, we, we don't get to have, it's excited 28th after that, it's like that God. We still don't know what's going to happen with LeBron. He's just dragging this thing out. And I don't really want to talk about it. - Yeah, but did you see like at it? Silver was like, this is, this is like getting a little bit problematic or schedule making and stuff? - Yeah. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's, 'cause if he goes to Golden State, that team's gonna be on all the time. - Yeah. - I mean, it's the only one I don't believe is Philly, 'cause I just, you know, he's got a 12 year old daughter. He's just gonna be like, hey, he's got a 12 year old daughter. - A little bit of Philly. - Why not, then is Cleveland really in the cards? If it's, if he's got a 12 year old daughter and the most important thing is to be home? - And she's like a big volleyball player apparently, but I just, I've had a 12 year old daughter. I don't think she would have been psyched when she was 12 of, we were like, hey, we're moving. We're going to Philly. - Yeah. - You're gonna make all new friends. Like, I just don't know how well it would go. I still think it's, I've never wavered. I think it's gonna be Cleveland. It was interesting, the calcium market, in the polymarket, all the prediction ones, all spiked, that it was gonna be, that it was gonna be Miami. And it got up to like 55% of the problem. - Philly's press conference, where he was like, we're still on one day going away. - I don't know, this feels like a long con. I would still bet on Cleveland. I think that's gonna happen. I just think they're trying to figure out how to, actually get them on the team where they don't have to just pay them the minimum. - Right. - 'Cause you have to like trade somebody or whatever. - I think you should go to Golden State. I think it would be such an amazing story. I think it would be must see, I would be so excited to watch him and stuff play together, even if it was kind of like a seniors golf tournament. It would be awesome. - I have been rooting for that since April. I hope it happens. I feel like it's gonna be Cleveland. How was your guest hosting appearance before we go? Do you know what? - Hosting's hard, but it was really fun. It was just when it was like, "Dah, this is a little harder than it looks." (laughs) It's one thing to like, Bro Ali used to Greenwald for 55 minutes. - Yeah. - Some of the things. Yeah. - Well, thanks for doing that. - Yeah, my pleasure. - Good to see you. Thanks to everybody who watched the Netflix. Thanks to Gowon and Eduardo and Jack and everybody behind the scenes. I'm gonna be back on Wednesday with one more podcast and then rewatchables hitch. And then there's rumors we might be doing a live rewatchables on Netflix a week from Monday. - Yes. - Stay tuned. - I'm excited for that one and nervous as well. 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