South Africa Sessions: The Greatest Snake Oil Salesman ft. Sizwe Dhlomo

♪ ♪ 'Cause here's the thing about Elon Musk. Elon Musk is equal parts talent, vision, and bamboozlement, which might be the perfect combination in life. Yeah. RGD2 will roast you with those sounds, bruh. Doesn't even talk. Then you're like, "Ah, how can you say that about my mom, RGD2?" You just heard literally Nigerians being like, "Oh, South Africa, you can't go. I don't want you here. We're going to find you where you are performing. We're going to find you where you are doing." Then I was like, "But my brother, you're doing the exact same thing that you're complaining about." "No, but on a plane, I'm a beast, bruh. You can't beat me on an airplane." "I don't watch on a plane, yeah." "Yeah, you sleep on a plane. Ha, bruh. While you sleep, we grind." That is funny. But the reason why they do it is one, out of frustration, but also because they've seen that no government official is going to come here until the school is burning. Here's the paradox about Eugene, right? Eugene is inquisitive enough to make himself interesting. But also. No, I'm serious. But also hood enough to be ignorant. Don't do that. Watch documentaries at home. Because also with doggies, you may want to research certain things. There you go. How are you researching on a plane? I believe the direction. Wait. This is What Now? with Trevor Noah. Yo You're watching What Now? with Trevor Noah. I have a question for you guys Yeah I need your advice as friends I was thinking of going to Turkey To get a beard No Yeah Why no? Why a beard guy so quick To stop me from getting a beard? He thinks you're gatekeeping the beard Guys He thinks you Are gatekeeping Oh, you think I should go? 100%. I don't think you should go. Why not? Because funny enough, this is your theory, right? So, you can either have hair on top of the head and then no beard or you can have a beard and no hair on top of the head. Oh, you don't believe I'm a two piece? When you old, you can't have both, bro. Imagine if you're rolling with the fro and a beard. It's just too much. Yeah, but I want options and what I've realized is No, let me tell you what happened. So, early on in my life, I gave up my beard rights Because I didn't know What the future would hold Because you guys Forget this now What happens to your beard You lasered it right I lasered it I lasered my beard off Right So What people forget is like Beards are cool now See you guys are all with them But a few years ago These things were disgusting Hey vel Let's Having this on your face All the time I've had accounts declined Because of that That is funny I'm from KZN And like Beards are just a thing Yes As I said disgusting so so what i'm saying is like for a long time beards were considered like unkempt beards you couldn't be in corporate work with beards you couldn't be on tv with a beard yeah you couldn't be a president with a beard you couldn't be like beard was just not considered you know what i mean you look suspicious yeah then i think pandemic was probably the last step but before that beard started like coming into the game coming into the game you you get what i'm saying yeah then you saw like what led him in with a beard john stewart colbert etc yeah so he started seeing like people rocking beers rocking beards now i feel like i've given up my my legacy and inheritance too soon not too soon it's just like i don't have the option you should have considered us before you went for laser to be quite i didn't know us then but how was i supposed to know then guys it didn't seem possible that beards would ever be something you would want to own in a society yeah yeah like i'm not even lying genuinely i could not have seen a future yeah no i i hear you it's like the same thing with circumcision wait tell us more no i'm just saying like if somebody was like bro do you think we're gonna need this jacket ever they're like no leave the jacket at home right then you decide to leave the jacket yes now it's cold you're like yo i want my jacket back you know i'm trying to get you jacket i mean look the jacket i want to go back to circumcision to understand yes but who who has ever and this is i've never come across a guy talking about i miss my foreskin never ever ever yes okay okay then we're on the same page that's my point okay then we're on the same page so why would a guy say that why is this what we're talking What about the beard? He's right. Cesar's right. Why is the guy missing his beard? Cesar's right. He chopped off his beard and now he wants it back. Yes, when you started, you sounded a little crazy. Yeah, but I can see the beards, like you said, are now in fashion. Yes. No one is having conversations about foreskin. What if Jack has come back? What if Jack has come back in the game now? That's what Cesar is saying. Cesar is saying, when you live in a world where it seems impossible, I'm glad he's at least seeing my point of view. You see what you just said? Always remember who he is, the guy who said, don't go to Turkey. But now we're going to get into why Before defending I'm just asking So I'm saying At least you see my point of view You understand why I did it Oh okay Something coming Yeah Now my question to you is Why should I not go Get a foreskin You see now The way you put it So let me tell you why right Wait that's not what we're talking about No no no Let's keep with this analogy I imagine To reattach your foreskin Would be so weird First of all Because now you're going to have like a stitch around your joint i mean we can just talk about beards wait no but the beard is also the same because now when they plant hair like follicles in your in your in your face they do that yeah you're gonna get scars bro no no no you won't you won't you don't it's like a machine that just like it just puts them in well there's different types of there's ones where they like have to do incisions but then there's another one where it just goes like Now that I think about it, where would they get the flare? That's what I was saying. They have to do a graft. From where? Really? Pick a part of your body, bro. No, my man. Pick a part. I'll tell you where. From your elbow. Yeah. Let me tell you something. From your elbow. Guys, from your elbow. Well, not the same. It's like a ball texture. guys guys guys guys i like how everyone is holding their elbow right now but guys you before you think i'm crazy tell me another part of your body and you know it's hard that you would have to use for a graft no no no but remember you know why you can't use it pointing to the your armpit are you crazy you know why would you guys where you're gonna get skin okay wait yeah but also armpit is like cilia yeah now you put a shield on your foreskin if anything oh my god you can use the skin from the armpits for the beard yeah you're sweating in the wrong part you know someone wants to to zoom in with their smell they go like this they retract this you know now you're that guy putting roll on on your face every morning No, you didn't. That is funny. Thank goodness for Rexona. Oh, that's funny. Oh, boy. Rather your face, though. Imagine putting Rona on your penis now in the edge. Guys, can we just talk like ball on ball? Hold the hold. Different, different. You see, to show that skin. I mean, skin is like the biggest living organ. Yes. And different parts of your body. Different parts of skin And different parts of skin Has different sensations Yeah Apparently the elbow Has the least amount of sensation Yes So I wouldn't want to put this Where I need the most amount of sensation But you don't need it on the skin No Everything that touches the sun Is yours my man Why would I want to have Dead patches of network Everywhere the light touches Then it's going to be parts Where there's no Cell phone reception That's funny So my thing is I would graft I think it would provide An enjoyable contrast Also you know that like You know like hot cold therapy Sometimes they lose sensation On their nipples as well That's quite common Look Mina I would go But I think it depends It depends on the type of Boob job you get right Or if you remove one Yeah yeah No it depends It depends how they insert Yeah yeah How they insert the silicon Or whatever they're putting in But Mina Before I would go And get a A foreskin to pay The person I would consult I feel like we've made These points already No no no But now I want to get A tattoo artist No one knows skin Pain And sensation Like a tattoo artist You're not wrong So I would go Which is the most Delicate part to tattoo Because I know This part is hard Fingers no No here Here Inside of the finger Here it's not because Of the skin It's because of the bone Oh okay So here the skin Yeah Sensitive as hell Nala Nala so ikrafti am would mainly consist of can I tell you here here is also good I'll say I will say that but it could grow hair okay then we have a problem means it goes slightly lower then we do you do have a problem then yeah okay can we now go back to my issue yes now that we've gone on this tangent so why are you saying I shouldn't go well first of all like I said I thought it was gonna definitely give you scars no but you guys are saying no now yeah it most likely will not you never know no it won't yeah but there's nothing guaranteed in life So 99%, whatever chance, no, it won't scar. - And then where are you getting the follicles from? - It's also from my hair. - My man, do you, yeah, deuce. - But it's a different type. Hey, hey, boy, but listen, but my point is, it's different. In fact, when I go to Turkey, people are going to be like, is he the main one? You know what? I'm going to be like Neo from the Matrix in Turkey. Guys are going to be like, wow, he's the one. You know what? I'm going to walk into the clinic and the guy there is going to be like, Morpheus is going to be like, I've been waiting to meet you for a long time, brother. You don't know me, but I've known you my entire life. That's going to be me, bro. It's a different type of hair, though. Don't they take it from the back, usually? Yeah, they take it from. No, what I'm saying is it's a different type of hair. Like your beard is not the same type of hair as the hair on the head. Yeah, but they can find. So that's another thing that. Now you're getting braids, yeah. No, but that's. No, just look at his hair and then look at his beard. No, but Cesar, wait. It's not even the same color. But wait, let me explain. You look for the part of the hair and the part of the head that has the hair. So your hair is generally not the same everywhere on your head. So my hair, for instance, the hair right here at the front, and the hair on the sides, the hair at the back, the hair at the crown, all different hair. Yeah. All completely different hair, right? So I'm assuming. But it's not scratchy enough to be beard hair. Beard hair is like very tough and scratchy. Probably Leila, closer to the face, could cover. I'll get you to know, as our evolution, this is the only part that cleared. Oh, really? Is that how it happened? Yeah, like. Wait, why did that happen? I don't know. It's out of my pay grade, Leila. Wait, so. So were you watching a documentary and then you just stopped? No, I just thought so. Oh. Okay, talk us through your process. Because remember. The apes had. So we had hair all over our faces. Yes, because I always think of. No, I'm buying it from that theory. I mean, I'm coming from that theory of zones of hair. Yeah, okay, cool. Which obviously, Lana, the hair, even when you're getting a line-up, Lana, it looks like the hair can go. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it looks like it wants to come down your face. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. And then. Your hair gets gentler as it gets lower. That's what I'm thinking. Okay. Because like Cesar was saying, if Batata Inwele is the coarse and tough and put it here, it will not match the whole setup. What. Actually, I've never known this. Because a beard is much more soft. What is your guy's beard hair like versus your hair? You can't answer this question. Answer there, Eugene. That is probably. You are the one of the red. You are gifted to have both. Cesar and I, on each side of the conversation, you, my friend, are in the middle. Tell us there. I think there's three zones of hair texture. Pubic hair. Okay. Softer. Okay. And then lerna in between. Okay. And then lerna coarse. Yeah. Okay. So that's what I'm thinking. My evolution is like. So you think front hair. Yeah, I hear you. Because even like leg hair is not rough. Like you never see people. That's true. I don't think I've ever seen dreads on legs. You know what I mean? I'm trying to think if your characterization rather. Yeah. is accurate. Because I feel like beard hair is. Coarser, right? But shorter than head hair. It does feel coarser to me. It's way coarser, bro. To me, it feels coarser. This feels like steel wool. Yeah. And then your hair, though. Just in my opinion, mine is like. I don't have a beard to put anything on. But even with you, bro. No, but even with you, look at your beard hair. It feels coarser. It looks coarser. Imagine me going to a store and buying beard things. You know what I'm. When I'm checking out, the person's looking at me like. Yeah, but if you commit a crime. You know how I know. The guy have an afro and a what? They wouldn't say beard. They would say what? Because you know what else? If I committed a crime, no one would say, and a beard. They would just say, he had an afro. No, they wouldn't. If you put him next to my nigga over here, they'll be like. Nope, nope, nope. They would say. Okay, two S.A. legs. They would say. Maybe they'd say like light facial hair. Yeah. But they would never say beard. It's very sparse. They would never. Let me put it this way. Mustache? If aliens were coming down to Earth, and they were like, yo, guys, there's too many of you. We need to have full L.I. hair. Why are you aliens? And then they say the people with the beards are dying. Why are you aliens from Amman's Keral? No. Why must they speak English? Aliens download all the languages, bro. Aliens are like, yo, we know where we're going to invade. We're going to download all the languages. So now they're not going to come to South Africa and only speak. They want you to feel comfortable as well. Because they're advanced beings. That makes sense. Yeah, so when the aliens come here. And they've been studying us. Yeah, they've been studying. So everybody. Every country they'll go to, they'll speak. So in South Africa, they'll land, and they'll be like, yo, guys, there's too many of you on the planet. hair. So we've decided to make it fair amongst the guys. We're just going to say beards one side, no beards one side. Then me, I'll be like, what's happening? They're like, the beard guys, they're alive. The other guy's out. Then I'll go this side. They'll be like, hey, Baba, we think you got confused. One side. Which side is this? The beard side? Non-beard. Bro, I'm dead. Okay. No, no, no. When it's marginal like that. Yeah, when it's marginal like that, you be with the beards. I appreciate every beard, guys. Me and Cesar will vouch for you hard. You be with the beards. We'll be there going, no, you got that. But, but, hold on, listen, hold on. When it's marginal like that, you be with the beards. But when you get there, you're getting roasted for your beard, though. We're like, ah, what is this? Let me tell you guys something. Yeah? You are thinking too much. You know, if you want honesty, ask kids. No kid has ever told me I have a beard. You know what they've asked me? They've said, are you trying to grow a beard? That's what kids have told me. Did you kick them in the chest? Then ask them, are you trying to breathe? That's what kids, Uncle Trevor, are you trying to grow a beard? It sounds like I like it. I mean, I feel like. So, so what I'm saying is, so. Yeah. So I, I, I don't even have an issue with it. What I just feel like is I've lost options. That's what I feel like. Yeah. Like, I feel like I've taken away some of my options. Oh, but why are you saying I should go to Turkey so quickly? No, because I mean, I think if there's a solution for something, let's make it happen quick. Ah, you told me. You're not, actually, you're not wrong. If there's a solution for something, instead of now we're here. You're not wrong. No, no, you're not wrong. And so on. But my worry is, I think whenever I see those people who've done those procedures, like. You can always tell, right? No. I mean, I worry that the hair growth might be too aggressive. I've never seen that. What do you mean? So, for example, if they. It's always. Look at Louis Hamilton. Damn. He got that shit done? Oh, come on. Oh, come on. What do you mean? What are you talking about? When Louis, in his rookie year. Do you remember Louis's hair? Louis was bald, bald, bald. He had a hairline like his dad. Yeah. Yeah. Exact same hairline. Yeah. Exact same hairline, basically. I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. Go back and look at Louis Hamilton in 2006, 2007. And then now look at him again in 2009, 2010. Now it's fresh, bro. Fire. Yeah. Fire, fire, fire. Yeah. But I need to. I'm saying in the face. Don't you think? Maybe if you want to have the option of shaving off, won't your hair be too. No, no, no. It works. It works really nice. I've never seen it come back aggressively. If anything, it comes back weak. If you look at LeBron, he must have. He's tried like 10 times. No, but shame. I don't know the actual procedure, but that's the thing about technology that's tough as well. In medicine or in anything, when to adopt is as important as adopting. Don't go too early. Yeah. So if you look at like, but it's always too early. You just don't know when the next jump will be. Like L-E-B-B-L kind of thing. Yeah. Think about that. Think about. So with hair, that transplant was like, they take a strip out of the back of your head. Like a carpet. Yeah. They'd cut a strip out of your head and then they would like peel the hair out. It was a completely different process. It's almost considered barbaric now when you look at the procedures that are out now. Because they literally cultivate your head. Yeah. Whereas now they take out the follicle itself. They pull those out. And then the one that was considered advanced, the incision one, is now semi-barbaric versus the precise. Like pokey poke one. So I think. I think we're in the pokey poke one. Yeah. We're in the, guys, we're in the golden age of, what is it called? Looks maxing. But that's another thing, right? Because what? Because what if the head doesn't match? With beards, right? You need a lot of hair to make it look like it's together. Do you know how much? It's an eight hour procedure. That's long. And it's more than one person. But what are you harvesting? That's what I want to know. Guys, are you not paying attention to the top of my head? No, I heard you. I heard you. But this here. I can cover all of this. Three times over. I've got hair in my hair, son. Okay. Wait, so your ishaya, are you going to go everywhere? Like even where you have a mustache and a goatee? No, no, no. I would just like do it like. No, but you see, that's what my problem is. And then what? Then this hair might grow longer than this hair that exists already. That's fine. Because also. No, my man. You're right about that, though. You don't want to have. Have you seen people with uneven beards? Yeah, bro. Like naturally. So guys have got like, it's growing heavier. It's patchy. Have you seen those? Yeah, bro. I look like a mad scientist. No, for real. Because they even comb it out here. No, you know, it's funny. Because you did it like this. Yeah. I saw the person. Yeah. Like that evil guy from Sonic. Okay. What's the limit you would do for like changing your looks as a person? Would you do the leg lengthening surgery? Never. Never. I wouldn't do that. No, this is not about. No, never. Oh, I see. You're asking somebody who would like benefit from it. Never, never, never. Why? Because I think if you can't match it everywhere else, let's leave it. What do you mean? Because if my legs are longer. Yeah. Because right now I feel like proportions. Yeah. Your proportions work. Yeah. What if my torso now starts looking off? So ends our munch. No, you just have a smaller torso. It always looks good to have a smaller torso. No, have you not seen, you know who you look at? Models. Models will have like super tiny torsos, long legs. It works. I've never heard that before. Basketball players, a lot of them will have super tiny torsos, long legs. It works. you actually want like a tiny torso and long legs you can you can pull off anything your clothes will look great you look you know what doesn't look great long torso short legs it's over for you but we've never seen that one yeah but my point is it's over we've seen some i've seen people like that with a longer torso short legs some people have mega long torsos and short legs and there it's rough like mega long mega mega i don't think the torso is a big deal but your limbs are a big deal so for example you know the whole wingspan is like roughly your height yes yes because now you're not going to send your arms so your arms will still be short but now your legs are long yeah but guys that has nothing what do you what do you care dude now your arms are swinging at the top you will know you're walking like this now that you got the surgery guys what are you talking about and first of all what are you guys talking about and also you wouldn't be able to tie your laces would you you would you would bend over you wouldn't be able to bend over and touch your toes it depends on where your flexibility lies but you also can't bend down the thing i'd cause is something that would reverse age me what like anything that would be like oh that's what you do yeah that thing i would i would pay pay money money for really yeah i mean that's what billionaires are all because remember remember there's an there's an age where you like you don't care about yourself yeah then there's an age where you start caring about yourself i don't know about reverse age i just care about health that's what i think what he's saying yeah but that's what i mean but i need to remember that reverse the whole process your outside matches your inside so well not necessarily so you know but i'm saying you can you can age and just remain healthy like so certain features will change you go gray right maybe you get wrinkles but you're still healthy i'd take that i don't look like i'm 25 you want to look like you want to look like those cj wants to look like those videos where like like athletes go undercover as an old man to a park that's what cj wants yeah he wants to be showing people up in the old age home yeah i don't know let's see who can jump the high end no but that's what that's that's where i was going i was like there's a there's an age where you don't care what you look like because you're a kid your mom dad dresses you yes you don't care then you become a teenager you're like yeah then but the physique of a teenager and the stamina and how your organs function yeah not you don't appreciate it when it's happening no you don't because you don't have the means to exploit it do you know what i mean the only the only in theory only athletes do yeah the only way you can exploit the optimal level that your body's performing is by being sent by other people okay everyone else sees the use in a young body of the young body and then you get old then you're like okay my mental maturity is matching my physique because now i can defend myself because remember yeah at that young age you're useful because you can't defend yourself okay you know i mean you're at school you are young at your house they can send you because you can't fight them you can't provide for yourself right right so when you reach an age where you can provide for yourself you can think for yourself you can defend yourself that's where you feel like you can freeze time but there's also a mystery of what it would feel like if i got just a little bit older because i think there's people that are older than you that are getting more things than you yes because they have had more time than you and i feel like that age is like 40 45 you've maxed out your talents you've maxed out your abilities and your organs are you know when you go to the doctor like yeah everything is fine blood pressure is fine are you working out well within the range yes yeah there you want shit to stop there i'd agree with you not at 55 when like you look good for 55 when that that reminds me when was the last time you tried to jump over something i jump over things all the time but to his point and maybe to your point as well i haven't reached a point where i feel like my body's betraying me yet oh not yet not yet so when you jump over things what is the height what are you jumping over i don't know like small fans or how do you jump do you jump like two feet same time or do you do like the so you can just do like do you do like a static rep over it immediately or do you do like a little run up and then jump i can do both depending on the height oh no so you're still the farm is probably keeping you younger yes so that's a thing but also that's the one yeah but also i also feel like it depends on how you're treating your body so i don't like overexert my body i've never been a guy who's like you know running 20k's a day or anything like that i've never done that so it's not like i need to i'm not an endurance athlete yeah you know but if i was doing that then i'm pretty sure like my body would be giving in right now so okay we can no longer do this but it can definitely walk as often as i used to walk when i was younger you know what you're explaining makes sense because i was watching this thing about people from hawaii like it was someone was just filming something and i was like polynesian people actually like that you put that because before that point it could just be anything i was watching this thing about people from hawaii and it's like what what is it so there's some cctv footage that i somehow hacked into i got a login i thought it was my ring doorbell but it turned out to be someone else's and it's in hawaii so i watched this thing about these people in hawaii and uh yeah it's quite interesting actually you're gonna get me a this guy's gonna get me like yeah let's listen to all of his friends comments so i'm like look polynesian people they are healthy yeah but they're not thin you know what i mean yeah so like they've got six packs and but they're strong yeah yeah yeah they move around the food that they eat you know they start that's the same as like samoan yeah okay that okay that whole region yeah yeah yeah so that's what i'm saying what you're saying it makes sense because their their pace is they swim they dive they walk climb they climb they farm so they their physique is much like yours do you know what i mean yeah and they're like they don't overexert themselves but their maximum health but they're not skinny thin it's not their thing yeah and some of that has like to do with genetics as well i'm sure you feel like there's some people when you feel him they feel sturdy yeah right then other people feel soft how many men are you feeling no it doesn't have to be a man women as well oh haven't you felt this you know when you said you had five guys at your farm i was like yeah that is what i mean even women yeah yeah yeah there's women like yeah you don't even need to feel them you can just look at the body like yeah yeah yeah there's other ones you're like okay it's seeming pudgy not like in a judgmental way no not in a judgmental way but like even guys are like that guys not in a judgmental way just in a pudgy way okay guys guys guys guys there is positive pudgy there is negative pudgy guys as an example no no no by the way why did you move away from guys i did wait wait wait i'm not even against these were here yeah i actually like what you've just brought up i think in society we must acknowledge that sometimes the correct word is being used for something it is not implying any judgments so when caesar is saying somebody is pudgy the reason pudgy exists is because there was pudginess that had to be addressed describing the person he's describing the pageant judging them at all no no i feel you you get what i'm saying so she's always going i judged him but he said he feels man and i was like then he came out he was like no not just men i was like hey i'm an open mind like that's why you have that walkie talkie in your room i'm an open-minded dude so guys so guys what are you guys thinking about right now yeah guys guys do you ever lay awake and wonder just like just like how the universe would be if like you know what if we're not alone guys what if what if we we've got more what now after this i mean imagine the first zulu guy who said he saw white people coming from the ocean guys must have been like bruh yeah bruh come on yo by the way uh what was i before 95 percent i think i'm 90 now on the aliens you're getting there yeah i think i'm five percent wait what happened what do you mean what do you mean what happened okay maybe phil sees what you yeah because i'm confused okay so eugene um eugene told a story about how in new york he was uh he went for a walk and then he saw an alien that's the short version by the way remind me to come back to you in a minute eugene in new york okay so eugene saw an alien then he wasn't sure but he's like i think that's an alien followed the person the alien they went into a bodega they were like leaking they were super pale they were translucent they were struggling to breathe it was like an apparatus thing they were wearing like a hoodie they were shrouding were they sweating yeah man but i'm just giving you yeah but i'm telling you the details yeah then eugene faked buying a bottle of water in the bodega so that he could like you know seem like he was doing something like that something after he paid left the bodega right behind the alien turned alien was gone both sides of the block were empty alien was gone so eugene was like okay i've encountered the alien so i said to eugene and as my friend i'm honest with him i said and you know this so you know i don't believe you saw an alien okay that's what i but i have to acknowledge the possibility that you saw an alien because i do believe that one day an alien may or may not appear on earth if they haven't already they haven't already right so i can't say to you that you didn't see an alien i mean imagine the first zulu guy who said he saw white people coming from the ocean Guys must have been like Bruh Yeah Bruh come on That is funny No let's be honest Imagine you were the first The first Zulu guy Standing at the beach And a ship Guys I don't even The Zulu nation didn't even have ships They didn't need them So from the ocean And the white people took time Guys To come to shore A floating house Imagine how crazy you were for weeks Then a smaller one comes out of it Yes So how are you even describing this to your friends Yes Because it's a thing you've never seen That comes out of a thing you've never seen And from it Come creatures Like you've read the Zulu You know this I mean you're Zulu But like when I'd read like the history books Zulu people were like Yo these people are sickly And not even human looking Yeah Their skin color They're like yo man it's weird Because remember these people There's no sunscreen Well they were sickly Because they were malnourished Yeah but that's what I mean But they were malnourished Their skin was pale It was burnt from the sun They had red hair They had So the people were like The Zulu people were like Yo man Whatever those are They're like human adjacent But imagine being the first guy To bump into them And then now you run off To tell everybody what you've seen I wouldn't be shocked if people were like Yo bruh No I can believe it You know what I mean But now wait So now to your point So what I was saying to you Gene Are you saying that you feel like Aliens would come in the future Just maybe not now Okay mine is more complicated So here's how I feel about the alien thing I don't believe That we are alone in the universe forever However I do believe there's a possibility That we are in the universe alone For the time that humans have existed Because I think sometimes as humans We make the mistake of thinking That the time we are in Is always the most important time And the most significant time But the truth is All time is significant To anyone who is considering it for themselves Okay So Think of it like In the simplest way You go to a person's house You knock on the door Nobody answers For all intents and purposes There's nobody there Yeah Right You would walk away Let's think of it before cell phones You'd walk away And then you'd meet the person Two days later and be like Yo I was at your house Where were you? Then they're like I was there Then you're like no Then they're like oh I stepped out I went to the shops Ah you were there Just after I left And then I came back Just after you left Yes So And you missed each other In that time Yeah You both existed Parallel timelines But you didn't exist If that makes sense Yes parallel timelines Right I'm glad you bring that up Because that leads me to my thoughts So what I'm saying is I believe there's a possibility That we think the aliens Are in the same time as us But we are such a speck of time Relative to time That I wouldn't be shocked If like the aliens The aliens might get to earth And we're gone The aliens might have come to earth And we're gone And they're like Ah bro There's no one here And then they're gone Or they're gonna come and be like There's no one here And then they're gone And we're like Ah they're out there Maybe they've already existed And gone As a civilization Yeah Maybe they're us in the past Yeah like they might be gone already They might be finished Or they might be going to arrive And haven't Does this make sense? Yeah yeah 100% That's how I feel about aliens So I agree with you Fully But I then Also feel like If the aliens do exist And they are more advanced Then they've got the ability to I guess exist on two different time planes So if for example You're not on this Particular time continuum Yeah But if you've got the ability To time travel Wouldn't you want to come To this time? But time travel is impossible Well You know It's impossible now I mean yeah You don't know if it's impossible In the future You also don't even know If it was impossible in the past Yeah I mean You're not wrong But it's just Everyone's like It's just You're right The way we understand science right now It is impossible And the way we've understood The concept of time traveling You're not wrong Because I think we always think about it As the past or the future Yes you're not wrong Yeah you're not wrong Now Since people introduced The theory of quantum leaping They always go People who think positively Quantum leap easily Because you could be In a situation right now And you're feeling horrible Yeah Everything looks horrible Yes But when you start thinking positively Everything looks great Yeah You've quantum leapt So if you saw me 30 minutes ago Before I started thinking positively You would come back with a notion That I am thinking negatively And I see everything glim Okay And then I go I read a book I heard a thing I had a phone call I changed my mind Everything is great I've quantum leapt I've leapt I've leapt you in that time zone I've leapt you in a timeline Where I believe the one thing so much Yes but that It could be true I understand that And I understand the theory But that to me is still like Perspective I'm talking about The physical shifting of matter Moving backwards or forwards In a timeline And again Like I say You're not wrong Guys there were things That were beyond impossible But again You're only thinking about it With our limited understanding No that's what I'm That's what I'm That's what I'm agreeing with Whatever is not matter What if it's just Backwards Yeah that's That's where I'm agreeing with you On all of it Yeah because we also Even when we imagine aliens We imagine that have a body Yeah Why would aliens have a body? Yes What if aliens are the air That we breathe in right now? Yeah You know what I mean? So then You think that's air You're breathing Yeah So then So when I think of it like that Then I think If aliens do exist Or did exist Then they are here now Or they could be at any point Yes Because why wouldn't they want to go back? Dude Going back into the past Is like the easiest cheat code of anything Why do we always assume That they'd be more advanced than us though? I don't know It's just an assumption I guess Because we always assume That they'd come to us Nobody ever goes We are going to go to aliens Yeah because we haven't even come close to like 100% But remember we Remember when Elon Musk said He's going to go to Mars And then now he changed it Then he's like Guys You see the moon You see the moon guys Yeah If we can change it We can just Guys There's no In life Because it would take something way greater I pray that I can achieve 50% Of the skill that Elon Musk possesses In bamboozling people Because here's the thing about Elon Musk Elon Musk is equal parts talent Yeah Vision And bamboozlement Which might be the perfect combination in life Yeah Right? Yes Because I was thinking about this the other day What was I thinking about? Oh I was thinking about like Like electricity itself And I was going When you read the stories about like Nikola Tesla and all of those guys Yes For all intents and purposes Like a lot of them were dirtbags You know what I mean? Or we would consider them dirtbags By today's standards They were even considered then Even worse When you look at Who was the guy who was competing? Edison Yeah Competing But apparently he wasn't a nice guy as well But that's my point Tesla's electricity was doing great things We've seen it You know what I mean? How he saw electricity And how we should use it Edison wasn't confident That he can compete head to head So then he went on a smear campaign Shut him down Shut him down Said yo That electricity is gonna kill you In fact He convinced prisons to use AC right? Yes Yeah alternating current And he was like To shock people to death Yeah to shock people to death Then he's like Do you see what that guy's electricity does? He's like direct current is way safer Yeah And then Don't put your finger in the plug And then I was going If he had a social media account back then Yeah We would probably think of him He'd be the troll He would be the Elon Musk of now in a way And then I was like Oh Okay So then I went like Maybe People think I don't want to say wrong about Elon Musk But I go He just is how he is And I go The electric cars The way he scales up a company The way he thinks of building systems Brilliant Don't take things away from him Because you hate him in that way Don't be like He's an idiot He's this He's this But There's many other parts Social interactions General You know disposition Fashion sense Sense is even a strong term to use That is funny And then And then he's like His ability to bamboozle Yes That's what I put in the other category So he's a snake oil salesman Yes but But the oil is also real Oh Oh Yeah Does that make sense? Yeah yeah yeah So here's how I think about it If a snake oil salesman is selling you an oil He's a snake salesman No it is snake oil But it's like The oil does work It does work for certain things And it will work in certain ways Yeah it's not an Alexa for everything That's where That's where the snake oil part comes So Elon will come out and say Guys I'm gonna make a car That drives itself And it'll do it by this year And we're gonna make this happen Where The advancements he's made We can't scoff at However You shouldn't forget the fact That he bamboozled you About all the other shit It still doesn't drive itself Isn't that people like No have you seen self-drive? No no no Guys guys guys We've That's what I'm saying This bucket We've gotten very far Way further than most people would have Anticipated However the thing he promised You get what I'm saying Same thing with Mars He was like Guys We're going to Mars We're leaving at 4pm Everyone was like Get ready for Mars And then 4pm came And then he was like You guys heard about the moon Then you're like What just happened here? What just happened here Elon? We bought our Mars clothes Everything Right? That's what I'm saying He's bamboozled He's brilliant with that Brilliant brilliant Sells people Even SpaceX now When they were listing The IPO If you read the prospectus It's like To conquer the stars And the moon And to be an intergalactic species That explores the possibilities Bamboozlement Yeah But You cannot deny SpaceX's fire Like the actual product That you use Yeah yeah That thing is What's it What's it called? Starlink Fire Starlink is fire And the rockets Fire as well Amazing All of these things are great But that bamboozlement level I'm like ah man But so here's the thing right But maybe you need the bamboozlement Exactly To make the thing happen So the people that work in the tech space understand that You can only get any kind of advancement if you have a lofty goal. Ah, so even if it gets shut down, So you reach for the stars and then maybe you fall short, right? And land on the moon. Right. But that's what it takes. You almost have to be crazy first to go, I want to do this. Right. Then you go, that's not possible. Then I'll go, okay, but now let's sit down and think about if it was possible, how would we be able to do it? A lot of the things when they start out, like, dude, this thing is not going to work. Then you need crazy enough people that are going to be like, yes, but if it was going to work, how would it work? And then you start there and then you build. Because there's a lot of things that you wouldn't even attempt if you just looked at the end goal and said, nah, never going to work, we're done, go. You see, what you're explaining explains exactly how people are starting to accept that aliens might be real. And now with the recent disclosures, it's not even about the flying craft anymore. It's about who's in the flying craft. Because remember before, it used to be a thing, when jet propulsion got better and technology got better and communication got better, then we started applying our minds to thinking that this thing could exist. But if you go 100 years back, you would find it very hard to convince someone that there's things flying above them. So you've lost there. Now we go, things do fly at supersonic speed and you can communicate with someone while going at supersonic speed. So we go, okay, what are these type of crafts? Then we go, okay, there's things that fly like this, there's things that fly like. So now we know there's a tic-tac shape, we know there's a disc shape, we know there's a. You know, I mean, when you see how. What was that damn British Airways and Air France had it? Concorde. Concorde, yeah. It was way ahead of its time. It was. Way ahead of its time. So now if you go, fast forward to now, what we know about intercontinental ballistic missiles and Starlink and how people can easily communicate. I always say to people, if you want to see how far technology has moved, for five rand, you can talk to someone in another continent in real time and hear the sound of their voice. Yeah. Because there's kids who don't know what a telephone line sounds like. Yeah. So I'm saying, now that we know that all of these things technologically have advanced to that level, now we go, can you please see what this whole thing is made of? So it's not that we think they're more advanced than us. We go, they might know something that we don't know. They're not going to come and abduct us and take us to the sky because the sky is no longer our goal now. Or other planets are no longer our goal because now we understand we're in a solar system. And if you think about how small we are in the solar system and how small we are in the solar system and how small our solar system is, we're like, we don't want to go to the dark. We don't want to go there. We're going, show us what you look like. We've grown to love Earth so much because we have so much. Like Earth sometimes feels like now to someone who's lived 100 years ago would feel like a house with air con and a fridge that has endless food. There's no reason to leave it. Right. So now we're going, we don't want to be abducted because we know there's nothing there. You don't know that. No, no, I'm saying if you look at Earth, and you look at our solar system, I think we know. And you look at our Milky Way and you're like, no, I don't want to go to the dark. When Elon Musk goes, we've landed in Mars and we've seen things crashing in the moon. We're like, no, even there I don't want to go. We know that other planet, what other planets in our solar system look like. And we don't want to go there. So when you go, my neighbor's already struggling. Why would I want to go to another country to live there? Does it make sense? We don't want to go to Mars. We don't want to go to Pluto. And it's the closest in our solar system. But even then, it's only because of your limited thinking. And I don't mean limited in the negative. In the negative way or the disrespectful way. Yeah, yeah. It's just where we are. You can only envision life the way you've always known it. Right? But if there's another type of life that perhaps is more conducive to the environment. Here's a good way to know. And I think you're saying the same thing. To put it this way. Correct. Who would have thought that they would ever go live in Dubai? Yeah, you're right. Think of that on a low level. Right? Yes. This place was literally nothing. It was sand. Yes. And in our, in like our general lifetime, we're talking about, we're not talking about hundreds of years. It was sand. People discover oil. Some parts they discover gas. The next thing you know, they embark on the most impressive building campaign. We've probably never seen anything like that in the modern era. Probably never, yeah. Well, you will now. Roads, highways, water systems, skyscrapers, living man-made islands. They just go. If you told somebody, to your point, back then, hey, we're going to make land come out of the ocean and then we're going to put houses on it. And you'd be like, yo, that's alien technology. You can't do that. You can't live in the Middle East. And then we're going to have trains that like fly above the ground. You get what I'm saying? So I'm agreeing with you in that like, we wouldn't want to go live in Dubai because that's what Caesar is saying is like, what we've seen, we go like, you can't live on Pluto. Then they're like, why not? Then you're like, because Pluto doesn't have the atmosphere. Then they're like, why don't you just make the atmosphere? Then we're like, oh, we didn't know you can make atmosphere. And even that is still limited thinking. No, but I'm saying we didn't even know. They might be like, yo, dude. But aliens are like, guys, you guys are living on the earth? But remember that- We live in the planet. Yeah, you see now. We take for granted how, you know, the word physical limitation is used loosely. But if you think about in a broader spectrum, we want to take our bodies everywhere. So the only reason why we won't survive, is because this thing won't take us there. We won't see it with our own eyes. So if you think about- But when I, Rick, when I say to you, do you want to use my VR? You say no. See, I like how you understand these concepts when you're doing it now. Yeah. But when I say- Why don't you want to use VR? When I'm like, Eugene, do you want to? Then Eugene is like, what am I doing with this? But wait, why don't you want to use VR? Really, why? This guy is just like, Eugene will just be like, ah, yeah. Some things he's just like, you know, when I feel it, I want to. So that's why I'm saying, we think Asimov was one of those writers, right? Who wrote about the future and technology and robots way back when. Yeah, he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fiction sense. But there's one thing that he said. He said, we must just be careful that our human body limitation makes us want everything to look like a human. Yes. So we want things to have limbs. Yeah. And so even when we're writing aliens and fiction, we want them to have- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he says the perfect robot or alien will not have a human torso shape. Exactly. Because that's already limiting. Yes. So you take, so, so someone who did that well and used it, but without telling us that he's using it is George Lucas when they were doing Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you think of C-3PO versus R2-D2. Yep. C-3PO is, R2-D2 is the perfect robot. One who looks like a vacuum cleaner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't have legs. He's round and he can scan and look everywhere. But you see how clumsy R2-D2 is. Even Interstellar with TARS, right? Yeah, because like this body- TARS was actually a great one. Yeah. Because it's just three blocks that just- Like modular. Yes. But when you- It starts to do things. Yes. If we're honest, all you really need is to be able to like move and then you must be witty. Yes. And by the wittiness, that's necessary though. Let's be honest, all of them. C-3PO, witty, witty, R2-D2. R2-D2 will roast you with those sounds, bro. Doesn't even talk. Then you're like, how can you say that about my mom, R2-D2? Bro, R2-D2 will roast people in Star Wars with beeping sounds. Do you know how witty you have to be? Which is a more intelligent- Yo, R2-D2 could cock block you on a date, son. You'd be there rolling with R2-D2. Someone would be like, oh, so what do you do for a living? Then it'd be like, and she's like, actually, I don't think I want to talk to you. Yo, that's wit. Do you know what levels of Taz is the same thing? Taz is three blocks. But I'm telling you now, after like an hour of hanging out with Taz, you're like, no, Taz, actually, I want to introduce you to my human friend. Taz can run. Taz can swim. Everything. Wait, wait, who's Taz? Do you remember Interstellar? I haven't watched it. You've never watched Interstellar? No. Fana, you know what I love about you? You give me the opportunity to watch my favorite movies again. I was thinking about this. Eugene is inquisitive enough to make himself interesting, but also, no, I'm serious, but also hood enough to be ignorant. No, bro. Because this guy will tell you, why don't you like VR? Just as you. Nigga, what? What is this? But then he'll tell you about the Polynesian people. Bruh. Yeah. Eugene, that's so funny, bruh. No. Okay, tell me about Interstellar. No, we're going to watch it. Okay, we're saving it? We're just going to watch it. We'll watch it. It's one of the. Let's watch it today. It's one of the best movies. We're not leaving here until. Whoa. We're leaving, yeah, but we're not leaving. Okay, we're watching it. Yeah, Hail Mary was fire as well. Hail Mary? You haven't seen it? You spoke about it. But it just came out. Oh, okay. And I don't think it's on the scale of Interstellar. I don't think. I don't think Hail Mary will change your life. I think Interstellar can change your life or your perspective on life or the way you see things, et cetera. Hail Mary is a fantastic movie, but I don't think it's a. You know, there's movies that. Okay, now I've got a question. There's movies that like shift your perspective and they shift the way you see the world. They even. They can shift the lexicon. They can shift the Overton window. Like, I argue the Matrix did that. Yeah. The fact that people. You turned me back onto that thing and I was like, Jesus, I watched it. People still talk about red pill, blue pill, and they don't even know what the Matrix is. They're like, you've been red pilled. You've been blue pilled. It's like, have you watched the Matrix? No, what's that? And you're like, that's literally what you're talking about. Yeah. So the Matrix did that. I would argue Interstellar did that. I actually think Batman, Dark Knight Rises did that. Yes, yes, yes. And then there's obviously like. That reintroduced like superhero movies. but there's also like old movies obviously I'm you know now it's recency bias because I've been re-watching these which by the way actually that's something I want to talk to you guys about yo but when you you look at these movies Interstellar is one of those where once you've watched it it'll occupy some part of your brain forever and something will always trigger that memory or that thought you'll be like oh this this reminds me of like it'll it'll always do that always always always yeah can't wait always always always do you ever wonder where this guy gets time to watch this much TV and movies yeah I know he wakes up at 12 so in between let's just cut less because I'm I'm really bro like him and Anele these guys know every character in every show they've seen every movie I'm like where do you get the time for this no but on a plane I'm a beast bro you can't beat me on an airplane I don't watch on a plane yeah you watch yeah you sleep on a plane ha bro while you sleep we grind that is funny guys let me tell you my system when I get on a plane the first thing I do obviously I go to movies new releases then the new planes now most of them they let you choose your favorites yeah yeah yeah so I go and I put bookmarks on all of them I go bookmark bookmark bookmark I plan it out yes and then I'll even go okay you can always start with this kind of movie because you know like you must remember you're gonna be you're gonna be experiencing less oxygen on the flight so you don't want to concentrate later on that's when you're gonna struggle sequencing is important sequencing is very important in your movies on a plane really important oh wow I see people fall asleep all the time watching like a movie that's me like five hours in they put in a complicated movie then I'm like haha amateur amateur there you are sleeping now the plot's moving then you wake up with the spoiler huh huh oh what it was his father oh brah you're an amateur bro you're an amateur so what you do is you don't start with high concentration at the beginning no what you do is you start with the most complicated difficult movie the drama the sci-fi whatever that movie is that's gonna require your capacity you start with that movie cause you're still fresh right then the food is gonna come while that movie is on so the food is also gonna you remember it gets your system going your body doesn't wanna sleep just like while you're eating so your furnace goes your brain's also like I'm getting fuel concentration concentrate movie's gonna end generally around after the meal right then your sugar's gonna start crashing now right now difficult time to start another movie now people get confident they go I just watched this movie let me jump to another complicated one big mistake blood sugar's crashing buddy what you do now is put on a simple light comedy something that doesn't require your brain light comedy good times enjoy it have a good time superhero film crash boom bang your brain is not concentrating too hard you're gonna enjoy yourself if you're able to stay up past that movie then you can start getting into like indies you start getting into a film that like it's got like a different pace got a different vibe what do you put documentaries in all of this cause before we get to the end ah my man I can't watch documentaries on a flight oh I love them I can't leave the earth to go back to it come on brother come on bro I'm free now you want me to know yeah but now why would you wanna watch a documentary now now I'm here learning about the gangs of Brazil in the sky I'm in the sky bro the problems are on the ground bro when I get back to the ground that's when I watch documentaries I like to watch documentaries cause I'm like yo this shit is happening outside when I'm in the sky in the clouds like where would I let's say cause I need to get home don't watch documentaries on a plane don't be that don't be that guy don't be that guy you don't watch documentaries why would you do that well I don't watch anything you're spoiling the plane vibes but like Doc Steffi nods not on a plane bro don't watch documentaries on a plane there's a reason they're even like in a weird category you have to scroll multiple pages don't do that watch documentaries at home cause also with dockeys you may wanna research certain things there you go how are you researching on a plane I believe the director nah bro don't watch don't watch a documentary don't watch cause Amazon I mustn't even get no don't press anything we've got more what now after this but the thing I go to is I'm like you're going to run around beating foreigners for being in South Africa people who are undocumented let's say illegal whatever you wanna say okay and legal but let's focus on the illegal part of it but then you're not beating the people who are letting people come into the border with fake papers or not even you get what I'm saying yo so what was your question about Eugene with New York yeah so I actually wanted to find out how much do you enjoy it cause your vibe is I guess it's kind of New York vibe right yes so how do you feel in the city you know what I've realized about that place is it becomes anything that you want it to become okay ba ba ba da ba sorry sorry carry on Eugene sorry yeah I don't need you as my friend anymore I need you as a business partner so it feels like anything that you want it to be can be if you wanna work you can work if you wanna hang out you can hang out if you wanna do nothing you can do nothing you know what I mean there's few places that unless you live in an estate and you're well off that you can have that type of freedom not even but I hear you does it make sense yeah I think you can't even but carry on yes but there it almost feels like everything is happening now so if you there's things that I I stopped myself from doing because I'm like no I've done too much now but you hate concrete jungle vibes you love like aimless drives you like riding your bike and seeing nature and outdoors and all those things Central Park is the guys always there oh yeah actually when you're always there you're inside Central Park you don't even know a city exists yeah there's literally parts in New York where you forget and not because you're faking it you cannot see a building you cannot see like the trees completely engulf you it's yeah no what you said is I think the most accurate way to describe it and you see for people like you and I who love the outdoors but then the reverse happens with people like us we love the outdoors but we also prefer the comfort of being inside that place forces you not to prefer the comfort of inside do you know do you know what I mean like I never thought it would make sense for people to live in a one bedroom apartment in New York oh yeah yeah people are always confused about this yeah you and I would die in a one bedroom apartment but there you're like no there's so much the outside is bigger and I love it and the inside can be small because I'm not gonna be here for long do you know what I mean no I know what you're saying the point of your abode is very different very very different so I think once once I accepted that into my head I was like ah okay I see now I gotta be out on the streets yeah if I wanna experience this it's out there so here I'd learnt over the years to create everything inside do you know what I mean but there it's like ah man plus when he saw an alien he was like ah this is my place now I knew yeah because Eugene was like I'm not gonna see an alien in South Africa because an alien knows it wouldn't come here because it doesn't trust our xenophobia that is funny that is funny I'm so happy would you come here if you're an alien if you're an alien ah guys I've never been more disappointed guys can I tell you what disappointed me can I tell you what disappointed me in both ways in both ways was this this is the thing and I mean this honestly one aliens no oh sorry I'm always surprised when I see like anti-xenophobia campaigns but like anyway no xenophobic campaigns or anti-xenophobic campaigns oh no no so let's go xenophobic yeah you're right you're right when I see like campaigns where people are just like beating up foreigners and stuff like that okay especially especially when the reasons people are giving there's like the small version and the big version of the thing so what I mean by it is like I would love it if those same mobs were also at parliament beating people who steal money from the government right does that make sense carry on you want the same energy yeah like so so this is what bothers me sometimes is like I feel like and we do this in society is like we will we'll lash out at the people who are closest to us and the people who we feel like we can lash out the most at yeah soft targets the soft targets but we won't lash out at the people who are more responsible for the thing that is happening to us you said this you used it was a beautiful saying that you said once about a black woman for instance you said when a black man and a black woman can you do you remember it how do you say it it's like when a black man and a black woman are in the street stones are being okay so essentially like the analogy is so you got a black woman and a black man they're in a very safe environment everything is cool then when they walk out into the streets they feel like they're getting pelted yes right and they're getting pelted both of them are getting pelted and they're rushing to get back home refuge yeah exactly and and they rush and they rush obviously they're bleeding and as soon as they get back into the house the man breathes a sigh of relief right but the woman continues being pelted exactly because now not only was she dealing with racism outside she's now dealing with patriarchy inside the house so she's still not safe yeah so when I was that's deep man yeah and that when he said that that stuck with me forever it makes so much sense you're right because it's like not as a not as an excuse but a lot of the time men who are dealing with a world that they can't control right will then lash out on the people they can control inside their house so they'll beat their wives they'll beat their women they'll beat their kids they'll beat you get what I'm saying yeah but it's because not because not because I'm not, that's what I'm saying. I'm not like blaming it. I'm not trying to pathologize it. a lot of it has to do with the fact that they have so little control in the world that this is the one place where they can be like i am the boss and i i'll show you and it's like yeah but why don't you show there why don't you show your boss why don't you show the authorities why don't you show the the system that's oppressing you in that way you know you can't mess around yeah so what you're doing is you're lashing out on the soft targets so i'm saying the thing that bothered me was just this is like i always find it interesting that there's all these massive campaigns and again i understand the nuance of it yeah absolutely i understand the nuance of it people's frustration frustration inequality uh crime yeah crime uh abusing of a system for instance seeing systems that already strain uh crap crippling right because you see people abusing it i get i understand all of that but the thing i go to is i'm like you're going to run around beating foreigners for being in south africa people who are undocumented let's say illegal whatever you want to say okay and legal but let's let's focus on the illegal part of it but then you're not beating the people who are letting people come into the border with fake papers or not even you get what i'm saying so so i'm theory though yeah here's the thing this is where the difference is in theory what you're saying makes sense in reality the world doesn't work like that but that's why and i agree with you that's why i'm saying i get frustrated by it right so my frustration does not negate the realities my frustration is only an expression of how i feel when i see the thing yes because i go guys no matter where you and and you know i will say i think i would have thought of this very differently had i not lived in america for almost like whatever 15 years somewhere there seeing how people's views on immigration so easily sway and swing just depending on their life situation yes it's pretty amazing when america's doing well when border towns are doing well when employment is good when inflation isn't high when things are yo bro immigration is like not even a concern in in people's yeah in the thing about it guys in the zeitgeist it's not a thing it's not a thing then people start thinking about like ephemeral ideas yeah our our security in the world the way we you know our military's growth and strength no watch what happens when inflation goes up and down it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing it's not a thing people stop caring about military and outside they're like yo forget that we got to get rid of immigrants here and there's too many of them then you're like okay well how are they too many what happened from before and i'm arguing that they notice something or something becomes less easy to ignore or or harder to accept as part of your world because now you feel like it is the reason the reason it might be a contributing factor but it's not the reason and so that's why i'm just saying my frustration would be seeing that now the reason i agree with you on a reality is this this is now the part of my brain i guess that makes me a comedian is i also see i love nothing more than incongruencies you know this so i found it funny that not what was happening but i found it funny that while these things were happening in south africa africans ghana nigeria wherever they were like screw you south africans you guys must leave our countries you guys are trash we're not going to support your artists you mustn't come here you mustn't then i was like wait wait wait my brother are you not doing the exact same thing that you are now that you are complaining about because you have said why are you ostracizing and victimizing every nigerian and every ghanaian and every african there we know that some nigerians are involved in crime we know that some of our brethren from zimbabwe slash whatever are involved in illicit activities right but it's not all of them so how are you going around indiscriminately beating everybody and sending them all home then i was like yes but how ironic is it that you have now turned and done the exact same thing to south africans that are in your country but i understand the reasons are different i understand yeah and you know you and i always have this discussion about morals is i go if you believe in the thing if you say you should not scapegoat an entire group of people right because you are unable to it's like burning down your entire garden because you're angry at some of the weeds yeah yeah yeah they're weeds but if you've worked in a garden i remember when i do it with my mom she'd be like we have to go and find the weeds and i was like this is tedious bro let's just destroy this whole thing then my mom's like okay so what we're just gonna have no garden then having a garden comes with weeds you can have no garden then there's no weeds but there's also no flowers there's also no grass there's also no trees there's also nothing else so the two go hand in hand with each other right so what i'm saying is it was interesting to me that in like a not even in a long period of time you just had literally nigerians being like oh south africa you can't go you can't i don't want to yeah we're going we're going to find you where you are performing we're going to find you what you're doing then i was like but my brother you're doing the exact same thing that you're complaining about now the exact same thing and i understand it on a logical level funny enough but i also go it's also funny and illogical at the same time when i see the routine well so you live in farms and you know so here's the thing right so there's the farms if we get into the minutia of it the points that you raised like i said some of them stand but then some of them actually don't correlate because the reason why for example let's say a nigerian or a kenyan person would have felt that way about a south african is able to say that they were provoked to get to that feeling right so that's what i'm saying the reason they can justify it like that yes but everyone's justifying it likewise even a south african who's saying illegal immigrants yes they're not so yeah they'll give you a reason about jobs for example and how the health care is getting throttled in south africa and how we don't have enough just even for ourselves right so how now we're accommodating other foreign nationals right but at the nub of it is people were saying the illegal ones let's go nobody was saying if somebody was here for example with the great papers they were willing to accept that right now to your points about why it is that they didn't go and beat up silver ramposa for example or parliamentarians just because they haven't got the power and the access to be able to do that yeah the same reason why people present exactly and that's why that's why that's exactly what i'm saying where people are unhappy they'll burn a school yes the very same school that they need for their community right yeah but they complain about service delivery but they'll burn the place that needs the service and now there's fewer services i'm completely with you yes but the reason why they do it is one out of frustration but also because they've seen that no government official is going to come here until a school is going to come here until a school is burning yeah and only then will i get access and you're not wrong to these people so that's that's why it's so difficult to lead people right because there's actually no generalization none whatsoever not on an individual level and even when you get there different people have different opinions you can change your mind between what we had and discussed today to what we're discussing tomorrow yeah and how you feel about it will change so that's why for me it's just all is very difficult when it comes to to matters like that you both are absolutely right from these two different angles and i think um what's crazy i was just making an alien joke and now here we go we got deep bro we got deep what the media did very that's funny my man see i swear you know if all the three of us worked in a job you know what our exit interview is gonna be they're gonna sit you and i down caesar after he left the room and they're gonna say guys if you guys just focus and jay you guys would have gone long fine this company says to all my friends in school and then his his ass is gonna be outside going that's funny sorry but you're saying no you're saying so what the media does what the media does very well is to take a slogan or a line and make it the whole entire protest yeah but that's everywhere in the world yeah you're not wrong what they did what they did how they did dirty here the media is saying mabahambe no mabahambe is about jobs then you go no it's about the system first of all if you say foreigners are here taking our job there has to be jobs to be taken first right yeah but and then everyone goes no if they get employed in the formal sector it's impossible to employ them because they don't have the correct papers so therefore that theory does not hold water and that's what was fair to south africans when they're upset until now labor inspectors because of whistleblowers started going to these factories and finding illegal immigrants working there under slave labor yeah under slave labor conditions yeah i saw that so you're like oh so there are in farms there are jobs gotcha gotcha so these are the jobs we're talking about and then the farmers jobs you were saying weren't there are there and now they're being turned they're not even being kept as jobs they're being turned into slave labor and the mine and artisanal mining now all of a sudden those people turned and gas lit the whole country and said okay guys they must all go then this farm is gonna shut down here this you don't like my zimbas yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna keep i must go past yeah because you know when when i knew i said one weekend like guys everything is closed you remember and then when whenever labor inspectors visit these factories and visit these farms yeah and so you guys are contravening the labor laws of this country you are fueling the problem they would say okay guys then i'm gonna shut my factory down then everyone must just go home and then i'm not gonna supply blankets and you know maskopas yeah yeah yeah so now we were gas lit but no one in the media came out and said you guys were right for the fact that legal immigrants and and i will say this won't come to a country if there's no labor to be done so if they're not working somewhere they won't live in a country that's actually i would argue that's a fair assertion yes but as someone who lives their country because they're looking for greener pastures yeah will not build a shack in cosmo and not work anywhere yeah a shack is a result of someone being employed close to where the shack is yeah so everywhere where you see informal settlement it's called informal for a reason and even farmers in certain places around here have gone so far as electrifying those places they're the ones who put electricity there they're the ones who put money together to get containers and put schools there do you know what i mean yeah i'm like you are the problem so no one has come to us south africa and said sorry we characterized your protest and your anger but that's what i mean is like so look the main thing and i think we can all agree on this is yeah one of the things the media has done particularly bad especially like if we talk about like mainstream media right all over the world , and all over the world all over the world not not just here is because a lot of media has to generate income and like a profit right it then unfortunately becomes subject to the levers of profits right what did charlie munger say show me the incentive and i will show you the outcome without fail if you say the purpose of this institution is to make money then it will make money at all costs the same way we've seen with ai if you say to an ai do this it will get there using a path that we never anticipated as humans we're like no no we didn't want you to do it like we we wanted you to pass the test by studying it's like oh i just hacked the other company and now i passed the test we're like ah we didn't think ai would do that but air is like yeah but you just told me to pass the test so the same thing goes for media or any any institution if you give it an incentive your job is to make money then it'll go how do you make money what does it do it starts looking for clickbait it starts looking for um stories that are interesting i i remember talking to a war um photographer she's traveled all over the world she's taken some of the most impactful images she was saying this there's pictures that she's taken from parts of palestine from parts of like western africa from parts of asia that her bosses at newspapers have gone we're just not going to use them right now because we don't think that sells our narrative yeah no but even beyond that doesn't sell yeah yeah they just go it doesn't sound as impactful as they are so they go here's the thing so they go you know what sounds surprised about that because you work under the assumption that i guess news outlets are there to disseminate news but they're not because they were in many ways disseminate news in a profitable manner yeah yeah and that's what it's become so a story that doesn't sell is worthless and you don't matter you know what doesn't sell you know what doesn't sell nuance nuance is the most boring thing in the world and yet it's the fundamental foundation for society to exist to what caesar said no group of people is the same go into a group even go into a group like let's say you find a mob of people beating somebody who's done something and you go into that mob you're like this mob is all in agreement then say to the whole mob do you all agree we should kill them someone will be like whoa we shouldn't kill them they just stole something we should beat them then you go okay should we beat them till they go to hospital someone's like ah that's too much someone's like yeah they must go to all of a sudden the group is not a group anymore this causes started yeah but more importantly it's harder to now tell that story who are those people because it's a group leaves you in a gray area so a story that leaves you with no emotion is like whatever bro and there's no bottom line so how do you sell that because who's the story what's the story there was a group of people who apprehended somebody who may have stolen something they all felt like the person should be subject to justice but each of them had a different definition of how that justice should be doled out some felt like it should be uh really extreme others felt this is no longer it's easy to go that mob was trying to kill that guy leave it there you with me yeah and i think that thing the more news becomes about profits the more news continues to be about profit it's going to be that we even seen it on the internet how many internet videos do you watch just look at the title of youtube clips everything doctors have told you is a lie everything is giving you cancer football is a scam like it's just like big yeah but what i'm saying is and you know what makes it even worse what makes it even worse is the fact that even if you do have the right idea so let's say there was somebody out there who was idealistic and they wanted to just disseminate news they wouldn't be able to survive long enough no no because it requires capital to be able to do that and you're only going to get that sustainably if you are making a profit if your news organization and you're making a loss you end up asking for donations yeah you're gone bro oh bro come on you're gone what are you doing this for you're gone you're you're just you're just at the mercy of the thing capitalism my friend it always wins let's go watch that movie bro you're gonna feel way better you sure my man interstellar you're gonna realize eugene that what we're experiencing already happened and is going to happen and didn't even happen yet and you'll never look at a bookshelf the same chris nolan if you're watching this the next one must be about us what movie something i'm honest i like the lofty thinking yeah i like that you called it lofty think about it like scissor said it he said you must aim for the stars okay and if you crash land so okay i don't mean astri oh no that's what i thought that's what i thought no what do you mean this region of the world oh that's not lofty yeah we can get christopher nolan to make no that's not i thought you were saying christopher nolan guys guys christopher nolan must make a about us let's leave the africa africa can sort itself out guys no honestly why would christopher nolan even know that's why i thought it was lovely i thought it was lovely i thought you were doing the same thing you aim for christopher nolan you're like yo christopher nolan make a movie about us and then we hope it's taylor perry this region of the world africa everything will be disgusting and then every time christopher nolan picks up the phone to dial us you say well we're fine then he goes oh okay they are fine we're not fine uh let's do it bro we'll do it now we're gonna let's go watch the movie this has been fun this is dope let's go interstellar let's do it let's go what now with trevor noah is produced by day zero productions in partnership with sirius xm the show is executive produced by trevor noah sanaz yamin and jess hackle rebecca chain is our producer our development researcher is marcia robiu music mixing and mastering by hannes brown random other stuff by ryan parduth thank you so much for listening 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