The speaker recounts their journey through public speaking anxiety, triggered by a childhood trauma from watching Jay Leno’s talk show. This fear led to years of avoiding stage performances, including school plays. For months, they prepared intensely for a Today Show appearance, taking a beta blocker to manage physical symptoms, and genuinely believed they would faint or pass out. However, the experience turned out to be manageable and empowering—host Craig Melvin made them feel at ease, and the segment moved quickly, allowing them to share key talking points without pressure. They also discuss their debut novel, Phoebe, a story about a 30-year-old woman with severe intimacy anxiety who discovers love before her 30th birthday, set for release on Netflix. The episode reflects on broader ethical questions about incest, emphasizing consent and power dynamics over biological ties, while also exploring the emotional toll of media portrayals of tragedies like the Idaho murder case. The conversation is balanced with light-hearted book recommendations and sponsor promotions, highlighting personal growth, self-care, and the importance of hydration and convenience in daily life. Ultimately, the speaker feels a profound sense of relief and empowerment after successfully navigating a high-stakes public appearance, marking a turning point in their confidence and career.
[MUSIC] There's my leg, there's my leg, there's my damn little Dining leg. How are you? Hey, guys? How are you? What's that from? I don't know. How are you? How are you? Sure, sure. What is that from? I don't know. How are you? Okay. No, that wasn't it. Let's think. I honestly don't know. How are you? It could be the office. No. When in doubt. I think this is one of those classic timeless pieces. Okay. How are you? I'm actually hang on. Okay. I want everyone to picture. Everyone close your eyes. Unless you're driving. I want you to picture your whole life leads up. Your life's work leads up to a moment where you've traveled across the country. And you're presenting your first born piece of piece of work that's just the beginning of your lineage, your career, your body of work. This is the concrete, the foundation that it's all going to be built on. And you go on the today show. Okay. And you present that work to the world to America in the morning. The first thing they see when they wake up with their fold your third hour and the third hour and the third hour. You know, my ass hits there and watches three hours of today's show. I told you that. And then I want you to picture. Heading over to chat with me for two hours. Okay. I want you to think about what that must feel like. You know, I have the exclusive interview with today's show. You may know it from the today's show alum. Make some noise for Brooke Averick. No, Averick. Aver E.J. Welcome in. How you doing? So last we spoke. It's kind of confusing because last we spoke was two days ago in terms of that I saw you and spoke to you two days ago. But in terms of people that are listening to this podcast, the episode that we recorded two days ago when I said I'm not going to make it out of the today show alive. Came out actually after the today show as well. So that's really confusing. But in as of in this moment, I just came from the today show. It makes it makes sense to go. We recorded on Monday. Right. When I was bald. Yeah, when you were bald, that was two days ago from where the today. Monday, we record. We traveled to New York. Yeah. Bricked us today show on Wednesday. Oh, yes. Tuesday, we traveled in New York. We sleep. We wake up. Bricked us today. Show she heads right from today show to record. So it's Monday, Wednesday podcast, but like both pre both posts today show, which is where both are posted a show. The first one, the first one I had not yet done the today show. And my feeling during that was that I genuinely in my heart. In my heart, believed I was going to die, like genuinely die on stage. I did not believe there was life after the today show was their live audience. So I legitimately said goodbye to my cats. Like I did not think I thought this was the end for me. There was no live audience. There were a lot of camera people. Yeah. So there's probably like 10 to 10 people in the room. That's a big part. But let me I want to explain to you like a little bit about like my history with public speaking and being front facing so that you can really understand like the severity of this. Okay. Yeah. When I was a little girl, take me all the way back. I'm going to take you all the way back. I loved being on stage. I loved being in the school plays. Wanted to be an actress. Did the plays all through middles. Do you want me to take that tag off for you? I'm going to get it. Keep talking because you're in the okay. Did the plays all through middle school. Then we get to high school and my mental health is starting to starting to dis deteriorate in a different way than it had before. And I was watching Jay Leno. Yeah. This was probably like 2010 or 2011. And I just had this thought. I don't remember who was on Jay Leno. But I thought never in one million years could I put myself in that sort of position and be on a stage like that. And then the next morning I woke up with the biggest pit in my stomach and just I had developed late on set stage fright from just receiving that episode of Jay Leno and feeling like that looks to me like the end of the world. I can't ever do something like that. And so for two years after I saw that episode of Jay Leno. I didn't get up on stage ever. I quit all the plays. It was really sad because that was stuff that I love to do. My mom had to call my teachers and say don't call on her because it was literally I couldn't even answer a question in class. I just had a permanent puke lump in my throat and I just kind of like was pretty quiet for two years. And then, you know, I kind of used myself back into it. I could do like a class presentation, but like I didn't really really see myself ever like getting back on a stage again. So that's why when we started the podcast and you were like, I want to do live shows, I was like, I ain't going to happen champion. I recall ain't going to happen champion. But you know eventually few years happened worked up to it. But keeping my Jay Leno was still in the back of my mind. Jay had that much real estate in your brain. That is truly like with an OCD brain like you have one thought and it just doesn't ever go away. You just ruminate on that one thought over and over again. And for whatever reason, mine is just seeing Jay Leno up there and thinking nope, like that just seems like the scariest thing in the world. I have no idea. I just remember seeing him doing a talk show and thinking like never like that feels that makes my stomach feel really horrible and bad. And I feel like I'm going to throw up just watching Jay Leno up there. And so the book tour stuff that was kind of like really shocking that I was able to do that even. And so when I got this email to do the today show, I was like, you know, first person I thought I was Jay. And I said, you know what, like up to this point, like I have been so scared to do every single thing and I have done it. So we are going to do this today show we're going to push ourselves. And for the past month, I have not slept. All I have thought about was the today show. It really it almost it drove me to madness almost and I just didn't see a world that where I would survive it. Like I truly believe I was going to be the first person to projectile puke and faint and die on on that stage. But weirdly, I woke up this morning and I was just like, okay, like it whatever happens like what happened, you know, and I did take a beta blocker. Oh, good because you know up until this point, I had been too scared to actually take one. I had been taking them for practice like in moments in my home, but I had never taken one like when I need to like do something front facing, but I did take one today and I do think it helped. But I kind of just got there and I did you notice, did you feel it or was it like so usually like the panic for me when my heart starts to race and my palms start to sweat. But it works me up even more and I'm like, so I am having a panic attack and then that just makes the panic attack come even faster. But the beta blocker stops those physical symptoms from happening. So I don't get the like, okay, well, my heart's already racing and my palms already sweating, so the panic attack is starting. So I missed that part, which was really helpful. Like I was still nervous, but like I didn't have the physical symptoms making me think like it was even worse than it was. You know, so then I kind of really was just like surrendering myself once I got there. I was like today's the day like Hunger Games vibes when you're in the when you're in the when you're in the thing that shoots you up. It's like all right. Well, I mean, like today is the day and you know got up there. And Jason sedacus walked off. I said, hello, sir. And he seemed pretty chill. So I was like, all right. All is good. I sat down with the hosts. Um, Craig Melvin, Dylan, blanking on last name, deferred to the second. I will get back to you an outroaker. And I, you know, I said to them, I said, listen, like, what will you do if I faint? And they were like, oh, you're not going to and, um, but they did say they would cut so commercial break, which really helped me. And so once it started, Connor, and they introduced me, I can't explain what happened in my body. You're so professional. I said, I think I love this today show. Yeah. Yeah. And I just kind of started talking. Yeah. And Craig was being LOL, like making me feel so comfortable. I heart, Craig, like so much. Um, and it was a lot quicker than I had imagined. I had a lot of talking points because I was recommending books. So I had a lot of talking points for each book, but they after like my first talking point. They were like, all right, next one, because I think they were running behind. So that made me feel even better because I was like, I really don't even have to say everything that I wanted to say. And then, you know, I cracked a few jokes too.
even. I'll get into why I couldn't watch, but like crack a few jokes and then guess what Craig had said to me. Favorite guest of the day. Wow. Well, you know, Jason today because I just left. Favorite. I don't know. Favorite. Everyone loves it. Well done. Then Owl gave me big hug. You hugged Elroker. Yeah. And then Craig looked at me dead in the eyes. He said, come back anytime. I walked. Did you say, did you say, what does that mean? What does come back anytime? I said, okay. I'll be here tomorrow morning. I also like once Craig was wrapping up and he was like, we'll go to commercial break. I just looked at the camera. I will be right back. And that wasn't my line. I think I did. I will need to pull the clip. No, we don't need to watch it. No, I need to see it. You haven't seen anything. No, I just saw what everyone else posted. By the way, I couldn't go. They run a very tight ship there. Even that Brook has like, do the golden ticket to like go whenever she wants. Like I was not allowed in the video because they only yeah. So Brook had to bring her team. Um, fuck them. But yeah, I so I was like hoping to watch. I'll tell I'll tell you why I think I know I couldn't want. I wouldn't be able to watch somebody who was nervous do something live. No, Brook, I can watch you do something there. Yeah, I went to the yeah, I went to your New York shirt. Like, yeah, no, I wanted to watch. I was up stage right four people. I was up. I was awake. Yeah, yeah, you did. I was at a hotel last night. Yeah, because I can ask why? Yeah, I'll tell you why. So your flight landed well before mine. Um, my original flight, I moved back and then it got delayed two hours. So I ended up landing at about midnight and I wanted to download something to watch. So downloaded that like the Idaho murders documentary that they just put on Netflix. And it's like a limited series. And like, I watch stuff all the time, but like something obviously it's like unsettling because it's, I guess I never really doubt about like something being like real and can happen too. And so I was landing in New York. Yeah. And I go, there's not a world where I go to my underground apartment tonight. Could not go. You should know hotel. Got a hotel on hotel tonight. Where? Hit level 13 on hotel tonight. And like right next to my apartment. Wow, your apartment's not bad. I couldn't go into it at night at midnight. Wow, are you back there now? Yeah, that's why it was a little bit behind coming here. Got it. Um, but then my hotel obviously didn't have like live TV. I just had like information. I'm not having this today show. No, it's like all delayed. And it's like all the new TVs now in hotels are like local news. And then modern family. Friends are the office. And then like something on discovery that's like not in my wheelhouse to watch. Like not even like mummies. They're doing like Arizona, you know, it's like stuff that. And then yeah, so I couldn't watch it. So I texted you. And then I'm like, I'm looking at like Hannah or our agent's story. And I'm like, oh my god, cool. How long was the segment? It was supposed to be five minutes, but I think it ended up being closer to four because they had gone over. Dang. I want to see it. I'm gonna. You want to, I mean, we can walk in. Oh, it's here. Yeah, please. But let me add if I have to tell you something before it starts something. Something happened. And it's not that bad. But I got really thrown off because at the end, they were supposed to ask me about Phoebe. But Al said, so tell us about your podcast. Oh my god. Phoebe. So I was like, oh, shoot. And so then our big break. I should have said something about it. I do think I over so undersold our podcast, a pretty significant amount when I said, that's nothing. Oh, I should hang out. I said, that's nothing. Let me tell you about my book. I want to apologize. I love our podcast. I don't mean it's nothing. I just panicked. I didn't say it. I don't think I said, it's nothing. I think I said, we talk about nothing. Oh, good man. Just our lives work. No, I said it and I was like, no worries, man. You don't know. I'm going to come out of your mouth. I start crying. I panicked because I didn't know how I was going to get to Phoebe. First ever, Brooke and Connor walk off. Seriously, no worries. Sorry. No worries. I don't worry about it. You I don't want to watch. No, we have to watch it. Time's best seller. She's also well, who the fuck is that? Okay, Junior? The job of your podcast, Brooke and Connor, make a podcast. Oh, I was on a two-per-second. I'm spitting my coffee on my shirt in the clip. Okay, they didn't want to they didn't want to do a clip with my face in it, huh? So let's serve this. He's got right into it. Yes, this is Lost and Found by Tara DeWitt. She's one of my favorite romance authors. Okay. She's the master of writing things that are the perfect mix of emotional and see me. She deals with some really, but doesn't wait. It's never too heavy. This one deals a lot with grief. So our main characters are B and Silas and they're both kind of on these grieving journeys independently. B has just lost her best friend. My crotch out is kind of dealing with the aftermath of a very traumatic firefighting accident. Yup. And so they kind of come together and help each other heal. Okay. And during that process, you know, sparks fly and romance and so on. You did not do the like Tristan Channing. What am I supposed to do? Oh my God. Oh, you're getting better undercarried. You're genuinely. You coulder is like, but you it's a classy way. It's a romper. It's a romper. It's a romper. It's a romper. It's a romper. Okay. Oh, it's a romper. I think I went on too long for that one. Hey guys, we want to take a quick break to thank a sponsor of today's episode drip drop. 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Yeah, a bad thing happened. A flu pandemic kind of wiped out most of humanity. And a pilot lives alone in an airfield. Well, not alone. He lives with his dog and his plane. And one day, yeah, yeah, a little bit alone. But he receives a transmission in his playing one day.
it gives him hope that there are still some survivors out there. And there's going to be a movie? There's going to be a movie with Jacob Alerties, a very good friend of mine. Yes. I've never met it. [LAUGHTER] They like that. They like that. Oh, absolutely. Oh, wow. So yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. This next one is kind of like a grown-up version of the breakfast club? Yes. It's very feel-good, laugh-out, laugh-funny. It's about a woman who is-- Do you want to memorize all this or do you just know this? I need to memorize it. I'm at the corporate lab there. But then finds herself completely unemployed and aimless and finds herself in the position of becoming the super for her apartment building. Yes. And so her tenants are what make this book really funny. It's such a quirky cast of characters. And it's such a great book about finding yourself and it never being too late to stop. You got some good pictures. This one's a thriller. I like a thriller. Yes. I do like this one. You like this one. I love Craig on an island in Vermont. We're a hundred years ago, a group of women went missing. They just-- Rowan Oak vibes? Yeah, what happens to them? And in the present day, they're making a movie about these women who disappeared. I like a gay crew. Go to this island. Mm-hmm. And so, yeah. So one by one, the cast and crew also start disappearing. Wow. Yeah. We all know. And so it really keeps you turning the page until the very end. It really didn't give the other young woman a chance to say a word, huh? We'll try it out. My podcast. I get it. My podcast. We really just kind of talk about a lot of nothing. OK. Yeah. But I can tell you about my book. Yes. Sorry. Do you know what I'm going to say? My debut novel. You're busted. I mean, was everybody in your box over my face again? Sorry. Oh, good. I'll go away. I want to hear what you said about it. I'm an anxious person, which you probably know, based off of what I was telling you before we started filming. But I wanted to write about an anxious woman in the romantic space. So Phoebe is a hopeless romantic who has very severe intimacy anxiety. And so she is about to turn 30. And she has not yet lost her virginity. I say virginity on the street. Oh my god. I was shaken up by that. I'm not going to say much more than that. But basically, she goes from having zero love interests to three love interests. Yeah, she's giving herself the 30 days before her 30th birthday to kind of make everything happen. And this is going to be on Netflix. It's going to be on Netflix. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Thank you. You're great. You're great person watching. I remember watching. Hi, my mom and pop up. They made me nervous. They said they told all their friends to watch. So that's why I was feeling kind of sick before we started. Now I'm feeling better. And you didn't pass out. So I did knock that out, which I was scared of. But thank you for making me feel so good. I could have been behind you. Thank you. We love your energy. I love you guys. To see all recommendations, just go to today.com/books. No, they cut. We'll be right back. I'm sorry. And they cut your-- you are a favorite guest. Maybe that was offline. That was engaging. That was incredible. I was watching the whole thing. I was like, I was watching the whole thing. Yeah, you described all the books really well. Thank you. I had-- I mean, I wrote in a notebook. All of my bullet points, and I rehearsed for 24 hours. Just on loop, on loop, on loop. But I barely got to any of my bullet points, because they were like, all right, let's move on. And I love that. I'm a scrag. Crag is my new obsession. I want to get Crag on the pod. Let's ask. I feel bad, though, because I didn't-- If you didn't get his number after-- He said you were the favorite. Yeah. Of the day, over Jason Harris. I heard Crag Melvin. You should probably follow him on Instagram. I did. Did you? Oh, oh, Connor. Did you message him? No. I don't-- I feel like Crag-- I don't know, but maybe he wouldn't be running his own account. I think Crag is running his own account. Do you? Yeah. I don't know. And then I got to meet Jenna. Oh, cool. Yeah. Who I love. How was she? Lovely. It was I only met her for a second, but that was great. And I really-- the second I finished-- Crag on the vacation. He's just the greatest guy. Lastful day of paradise. And the scruff just got approved by the most important critic. I hope you have another vacation soon. You've been working so hard. Oh, yes. OK, 60,000 likes. Anyway, I'm feeling major relief. Yeah, that has to be a load off. That's the last really, really hard thing that I had to do of this entire summer. And so I express gratitude to you. Likewise. I'm putting up with me and my stress. And you'll notice my lip is healed completely. That was diagnosed as stress. And I think I was biting it pretty intensely. That's all I have to say about this morning, I think. Good. I mean, not good, but like a job. Thanks. It's over. It's over. Are you-- is there any-- Are you seeing any, like, what happens? What is the exposure from today's show? Well, I did walk out. And I was like, I want to be-- What are they called on that today's show? Correspondence. I want to be one of them. Like, I want to be a correspondent. I think I do really well on my TV. And like, I really-- I like I want to work on this today's show. That's how I left, like, the immediate adrenaline high. It is crazy, because literally last week I was like, I could see you and I doing like a morning TV show. And she-- she broke word for word goes to me. My long-term goal is to never be in front of a camera again. That last week. That was the-- but it was the adrenaline talking. Yeah. So I am-- Oh, so now you're back. I am back to wanting a more secluded life with an openness to making appearances every now and then. When Craig is on-- When Craig is available. And hosting. And not on vacation, it's on his last day in Paradise. I will go. When Craig is on Paradise, although when Craig and I get together, it is periodized. Periodized. Yeah. So that's it. I feel great. And tomorrow I head to Block Island, Rhode Island. Why? For my new sister's bachelor at. Oh, sick. Yeah. Block Island. I've never been to Block Island. I don't know what that is. I don't know-- I don't know the vibe, but it's kind of like an antucket-esque situation. You're like nice and the weather is really nice. I don't know if you notice when you walked around outside. So I have to take a ferry. Cool. Oh, cool. Oh, cute. Cute. So that'll be nice. And that's it. What's new to you? I saw you on Monday. I know. And all I have to talk about, obviously, is the Idaho murder case. And that's not like, I don't want to follow up your today's show, then, with like-- I don't know. I'm just back to my feeling about the-- it's a really good example of like, there's no like story to expose. And like, no message should be told where it's like, you know, it's just like a tragedy. It's a tragedy. And I'm like, I'm confused why they made a documentary. I was about to say, aren't you very anti-documentary? I am. No tragedy. I like, forgot. Because it's just like an interesting case. But usually when you do it, it's like-- or when you read-- or when you watch these documentaries, it's like, oh, there were all these tragedy things. And we want to tell the stories of the-- and it's like, there's actually no story being told. It's just like a horrible thing that happened, you know? And it's being monetized. There must be a plus side for like, the families of the victims. Because like, I really-- it's like hard to grasp that where all like, ooh, like, let's sit down and watch the documentary about college students being murdered and asleep. Awareness of what? Well, because of like, this was my daughter, you know, and like, she was a person and remember her. And also, like, this man was a monster. But I don't know. It just feels a little-- I bet it feels different to every family. Nefarious. I bet each family feels differently. Yeah. Because I know, look, I have seen some of these murder documentaries where the parents, they want to be there. You know, they want to be-- They want to be on TV or they want to be sharing their story. Yeah, on the documentary, they want to be speaking about their child. They want justice for their child. They want people to be aware of the case. Yes. This is already-- No, they're-- aren't they reopening everything? They're reopening it because he's like, withdrawing his guilty plea. He's saying that he was, like, convinced to plea guilty. And it was like a cover-up. No. He's like, no. It's crazy. That's what I'm saying is, there's no like-- we want justice. We want this. It was like a failure-- a failure-- a failure-- the justice system didn't work. And it did work. And it's like over. So it's like, it must be painful to bring this back up. I don't know. I don't want to be like-- I don't want to talk about that any further, but I turned it off. I was like, let me just not do that. But it did stick with me long enough to get a hotel room last night. Do you want to talk about incest? I'm going to jump right into incest. I was telling you the conversation. We might-- yes, I obviously want to preface this with-- so this is something I-- there was a silence at a party a few weeks ago. Can we preface by saying, when we-- yeah, OK, just go ahead. Well, I have a lot of disclaimers that I will make. Well, we asked-- we asked on-- I wasn't sure how breakfast-- if breakfast was going to be still standing after today's show. So I put on online today, give us some deep dives to go into, because we both enjoy deep dives. And I said, please, no mattress firm, like in Spiracy.
triangle things, no dinner airport. And incest did come up a couple times, but like in different ways. But Brooke has an incest deep dive. Well, I don't have an incest deep dive. I have just like a conversation that has come up a few times in my life about incest. And so there was a silence at a party a few weeks ago and I asked the question, which was if a brother and a sister came up to you. And let's say they like didn't grow up together and they came together when they were like they were like 18 or something. Okay. And they came up to you and like we are brother and sister full. Both we have the same parents. We are in love and we are getting married, but we will not have kids. I mean, I'm not going to hang out with them, you know. So yeah, but also like what point is love love? Look, what is wrong? I'm not going to be an incest sympathizer today. Listen, it's obviously like everybody's gut reaction is like that's not okay. No, but you're yeah, but your gut reaction should be that's not okay in the people that are the brother and the sister. But here's where it gets difficult is that homophobic people and I'm prefacing this by saying, y'all know that like my issue is gay rights. So when I have engaged with homophobic people before and and fought them on their on their belief on their home turf on their views, they always bring this up because they're like they bring up. They bring up what I'm like, well, love is love and then they throw at me like, okay, well, what if a brother and a sister wanted to get together? And they always throw that at me. So at what point are you like, no, well, the the issue the issue is definitely like the kids, right? Yeah, having kids. So I'm saying they are not having kids. You can imagine how the conversation was going. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it must have been. Oh, it was amazing. People loved me. I was incredible. But I'm saying I used to have this really homophobic person that I unfortunately had to interact with quite a bit. And it was like the bane of my existence and like my life, my life's mission for a very long time was just fighting with this person. Like I hated him with every fiber of my being and we were just fighting all the time. And he would always, because I would always be like, who, why do you care? Like it's fucking weird that you care this much. And love is love, blah, blah, throwing everything I had. Like it affects you in no way. Like who are you to blah, blah, blah. And then he would always hit me with, uh, okay, well, what if, and then I was kind of just like, and then I would always be like, because I just was like, I was like, then I think that's fine. Oh, no, nothing. So I don't know if I was doing, you know what, you know what? You know what, you know what? No, you, we know your heart. And it's because of that damn school that led you to that damn school. Your Quaker school that like took you so far in your direction that it actually go, hang on, hang on, come back. No, but it's actually a really hard argument to have put no, you just say, well, the, the, the gay people aren't hooking up with their brother as far as me, hooking up with their, their siblings. That's a different conversation. No, but then the person like, let's, he would be like, you would say it makes me uncomfortable, right? If the reason if they're not having children, you would say it's just wrong. And then the homophobic person would say, well, I think this is just wrong. And it's the same thing. And that's what they would argue. It's the same thing. Do you see what I'm saying? Let's roleplay. Your homophobic. Okay. I want you to be homophobic. Obviously, both of us fuck with gay people heavily. Okay. You're homophobic. You're already fired up. Like I wish. I know. You're beta blockers. I mean, I'm wearing off this feels like I'm happy. I'm on set with Candacelle here today because this is, this is something I used to get into all the time. I know people think I'm apolitical, but why not? I'm, I'm really not like so. Okay. You're homophobic person. Perfect. I'm broke. Okay. May, hey, man, why do you care to say that like two boys shouldn't be kissing? Two boys shouldn't kiss. Hey, man, first of all, why do you care? And love is love. It affects you in no way who are you to say who can love another person? What about a brother and his sister? Well, that's a different thing because if they have kids, you know, that raises some issues. Okay. What if they aren't having kids? They don't want to have kids. They can't have kids. They're, they're infertile. This is when, you know, you kind of gets confusing. Here's the thing. Oh, my god. Wait, hang on. I know that's what I'm saying. Oh, wow. Because you know what? Like, because that, that's how they get you. Because then I would be like, well, they shouldn't be together. And it's like, why? And it's like the same exact, it's not. No, I actually like wish that we were talking about the Denver airport right now because this is going to get taken. You know, I'm, I'm being genuine. Like, I am, I don't know the answers. I don't know the answer to this argument. I don't, I'm like, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm at like, I don't want to do this anymore. I just really interesting. Anyway, this is what was happening at that party. I was fighting for incest of the party. Pretty heavily because if it means being pro, if it means that a man can, if I have to say, sure, a brother can kiss a sister and not have kids, if that's going to get gay people married, fine. I'll do it. But like, I don't know if it's right. Oh, my god. Does that make sense? No. Okay. I feel like it, I feel like you do know what I'm saying, though. We need like, we need like an expert here to like give us like the one expert on this. Hank Greene, probably. It's incest okay. 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What is the real argument? - As long as it's between two consenting adults and there's no chance of pregnancy, sure it might be abusive power dynamics involved, but tons of other relationships have that too, such as one coworker and their boss. - No. - I think it's making argument against siblings who grew up together because that seems. - And those are typically seen as morally wrong as what, so this is like a, this just when it goes back to like, I don't wanna be around a boyfriend and girlfriend that are biological siblings or like boyfriend that are biological brothers or sisters. - Oh, I didn't even start with gay and sex. - Oh. - Do you want to? - No. (laughing) - I don't. Oh my God. It kind of makes your brain hurt. - I think it's really painful. - But anyway, this was something that I dealt with a lot, thank God this person is on my life anymore. That's what I'll say, but know that I was on the front line stealing with this for a little time. - Did I meet this person? - No. - Okay. - You did not. - Holy mo- Did I think that it was gonna be that long of a. - 'Cause it's a debate. I would love to watch a high school debate team tackle that. - No. - And so, as always, every time I've had this conversation with people, we leave with no answers. I wonder if it could be like a question they have in ethics class. I don't know if it's an issue of ethics, but. - There's morality involved 100%. - I'm obsessed, yeah. - Yeah, well, and here's a good example of that. When you look at the people in the Appalachians, that we all, the famously, there's a family that's so inbred that they can't speak and they can't, some of them can't move. - I would argue against that. - Well, yeah, 'cause they're reproducing, of course, but they haven't been exposed to any education in that sense or any morality. There's no, I guess you would inherently, if you had some level of education, you'd be like, I'm not gonna have sex with my sister. - I actually do think, at one point, they knew that that wasn't the norm. - Great grandpappy, probably. - Right, but now, I guess they don't know, but, yeah, I mean, if they don't know, they don't know, you can't fault them. Is that something that, to someone intervene, or no, you just let them be. - Oh my God, is someone intervening? They're in specifically, I do think that they- - I don't think so. - Or not being intervened with. - I don't think so either. - Huh. - I would genuinely never in my life if I wanted to really go back to school since I graduated, but this is something that I would study. There was one class that I was not in, and it was a larger lecture hall type thing, and a bunch of, I think two of my friends had this class and they were like, you guys have to come sit in on this class, and it was like the only class that I went to, I would get my lunch and I would go to this class, and I would sit in, and then everyone started coming. They had to get like a flex chairs to put in the back of this room because everyone started coming, because it was like the professor would open up the big questions and then people would stand up in the class and it'd be two people, and there was like, there was one guy in the football team that stood up, this is that UT, and he's like, yeah, like, I think if my girlfriend was leaving the house and I wasn't going out, she was wearing, and this girl stood up and the front goes, "Oh hell no!" And I was like, "Oh, I'm coming every day for the rest of the semester." And I went to that class, they just went back and forth, the professor was like this. - That professor found like a really good niche. - It was like, it was like Mari. It was like being on set at Jerry Springer. It was race, gender, and the pursuit of happiness, I think. - This sounds good. - Yeah, we had some fun class. - I honestly think that was a class where they could discuss the interesting. I don't think like the level of intellect that was in that class, it was just really there to like, it was like a prerec class. - You know what? - I don't think there were any ethical. - I would call Lindsay, because I bet she would have just the most brilliant take. Unfortunately, she isn't Pakistan. So I don't know if I'll be able to reach her. - It's beautiful this summer of year, I've heard. - Ah, yes, in Islamabad. - Elbows on the table, thoughts? I'm gonna take us far away from where we've been. - I would like, that's like a such a non-issue. If anyone ever told me to get my elbows off the table, bye. - We should go to dinner with my mom. You could fight her. - Would she get elbows on the table? - She was never like manners, manners, manners, but there was like certain stuff where it's like, what do you do, like that kind of thing? But elbows on the table, I don't, yeah, I guess. - I'm not sure I ever got that as a kid. I mean, I definitely got, please try and chew with your mouth closed broke and keep the food in your plate and off your shirt and stuff like that. But I think elbows on the table for me, it was like, that's the lease of, I'm a bad eater, so. - I'm a bad eater. - I'm a bad eater. - I'm a bad eater. - But yeah, elbows on the table for me, I'm just like, get grow up. - Elbows on the table to me are, I'm engaged. I'm here. - I don't know. - It's not comfortable to knock. Imagine me sitting like this and you're talking to me at dinner. I'm like this. - Yeah. - I travel. - Do you even, yeah, who started with the elbows? - I don't know, I posted it on my story the other day and a couple people are like, are you serious? Like, whatever happened to manners. No elbows on the table rule comes from medieval times, ancient warnings driven by unstable table set-ups, crowded spaces and posture habits. - Okay, you know what else comes from medieval times? Incessed. - The headings. - Leeches. Leaching out your blood, blood leeches. - Stoning people in the-- - Geoteen. - Geoteen. - Geoteen. - Starvation. Polio. - Corsets. - Smallpox. The black pepper. - The yellow fever. Did you have to read yellow, that book yellow fever for school with the girl with a yellow eye on it? - No. - Oh, you would have loved that. And I'm being serious. It was really like, that one. - No, I didn't read it. - It was 1793. - It was 1793. - I guess that's not the middle ages, like even remotely, but the yellow eye. - Ooh, she looks like cure nightly. - I could see that. - I could see that. - I watched on the flight yesterday. I started with something easy. I watched fool's gold again. I do want to say again, this is what I think so much about Phoebe is like, when I'm looking at these casts and these movie posters for these movies that are like the wedding singer, I'm like, maybe what we're missing here is just like how I said "Love Island" and "Love Island" UK is excluded from this conversation, but like "Love Island" now, like everyone wants their like, everyone wants this to be like their big break, their moment, their viral clip, like "Love Island" and like all these like, romcoms are coming out and it's like, we're doing this 'cause this will be a funny like clip week in post or whatever. If you look at the wedding singer, for example, that movie poster, they're having fun. That cast is like friends. You can tell them like, they're coming out these movies that are objectively like kind of corny, but they were fun, they were all having a long campali, they were having fun. - Wait, what's that have to do with Phoebe? - That I think Phoebe has that like fun gene, you know? - Uh-huh. - Really sweet. - And I look at Fool's Gold and I'm watching Fool's Gold on the plane and like obviously, just the perfect casting, Kevin Hart's in it and I'm gonna even say he was the perfect casting for this. - And y'all have beef. - We don't have any beef. - I thought you would beef with Kevin Hart. - Me and Kevin Hart have no beef. - Wasn't he the one on the flight that was like you guys are so annoying.
"Oh my God, I forgot about that." I don't have beef with them. - You make that up? - No, I don't have beef with them 'cause he was right. - Okay. - We were being annoying. - Fair. - That was back when I learned how to use Photoshop and I was editing everyone's eyebrows. - Yes, yes, yes. - And I was like, this is the funniest thing in the world 'cause we didn't have filters or anything and I was learning how to edit eyebrows off when I was laughing and I went to ask for a picture. And he was sitting in very back of the plant and with us. And I was like, can we get a picture? And he's like, no, you guys are the most knowing people I've ever met, but I don't hold that against him. He was right. - I would say even if he was right, I would say, hey, I acknowledge you were right about that. That would still hurt my feelings. Two things can be true. - That was, I think 'cause of the friends. I was with, I was like, yeah. Like I was like, I don't need, and I was pre-like clout chasing, so I didn't really need the photo anyways. But that's a good memory book. I forgot that that had it happened. I was like, are you sure you can reach your bag? I can get it down for you, but he, but I'll get it down for a picture. What do you say, champ? And so, great movie. Just so sexually charged those two. - No. - Matthew Minkana and Kate Hudson in their prime. - Anx and sexual tension. Tink-train. - Tink-train. - Sexual tension. That is what makes, that is what a movie makes. - And what's funny is that she said that their makeup scenes were so foul for her. She wanted, she was gagged. - Because she feels like incest vibes with Matthew Minkana, hey? - It could be bro and cis. - Yeah. - That wasn't, they could still do that. But no, they just like weren't a match. And that's just a testament to their acting. - Well, this was after "How to Lose a Guy", right? - It was in the same two year period. And I can't remember who came first or next, but. - I would be pretty mad if I was like, making out what someone for a movie. And then they did like a press run that was like, making out what her was so foul. - That was like, recently, she said that. And they were going back and watching clips. - I'd be pretty mad. - It was because of the swimming makeup scene when they're in the water. - Yeah. - It could have been 'cause she was getting water in a mouth, but they had to do it like 10 or 15 times in that movie. And she was like, I was gagging by the last one. Anyways, so I watched that. And then something drew me into this movie. This like war movie. You know, I love those war movies. Not like new war. I also have a commentary on war that's not going to be well received. And why not throw it in this episode? 'Cause I don't think that everyone's going to really. I've never received this one. - Yeah, there's going to be a very polarizing episode. It's like, we never do that. We're usually talking about me pooping or something. So this is great. I'm watching this historical fiction movie. And I feel like even war has lost that war thing. 'Cause now it's all like computer war. Everyone's on their damn phones, even in the wars. - What war movie were you watching? - In 1917, and I'm watching it. - Is that Andrew Scott? - Yeah, so I'm watching it and I'm going, this is without a doubt one of the most phenomenally shot movies and the scoring is so well done. And this casting is brilliant, this acting is brilliant. How am I like, how did no one hear about, don't say, how did no one hear about this movie? How am I the first person to see this movie? I type in on Google, did 1917 get any accolades? Why did 1917 not get its flowers? Three Oscars? Best motion picture, best scoring, best casting, Golden Globe for Best Movie of the Year, and two Grammys. I believe. - In your defense, I only know of it because I love Andrew Scott. - Benedict Cumberbatch was in it. - Remember that movie with him? - Yes! - Alan Turing, get Icon. - I don't remember, I don't know. - He did something pretty extreme. What did Alan Turing do, Izzy? - I don't even know, I don't know who Alan Turing is. - He did something, he decoded some sort of, - He was a mathematician. - He was a mathematician and he decoded something pretty intense and he was gay. - And he was an incest. - No, there was no incest involved. - His work in cryptography, theoretical biology and artificial intelligence made significant contributions to the war effort. - He cracked a main code. He cracked an extreme mainframe that helped in the war. - Huh, what war? World War II. - Why, him being gay was somehow significant. - He castrated him? - Really, it's a, it was a really sad movie. - They chemically castrated him? - Something sad happened. - It made some exceptions for the father of modern computing. Something really sad happened. I remember being very moved by that movie, if you all want to watch it, but I did watch it like, oh, whenever it came out. - The man who cracked the Nazi code. - He freaking cracked the Nazi code. - This is so interesting because obviously I went to a 1917 whole last night. - You would like this. - I will watch it. I will watch it. I learned about something. Did you hear about the Zimmerman telegraph, do you know what that is? - No. - Things like this don't like not come across my desk 'cause I love this shit. I love this bullshit. The Zimmerman telegraph was a telegraph sent from Germany to Mexico to try to convince them. Was I wrong? Okay. Okay, Germany. - No, I love that you can act in. - I'm gonna try to, Germany to Mexico to try to convince them. And I think this was during World War I, like 1917, probably around it. And, wrong? - No, you're right. - Okay. - Did this happen in the movie '19? - No, no, this is like completely adjacent. I was just wondering like, I was just googling about World War I because it is fairly random if you look into the origin of World War I. It doesn't entirely like, why did we do that? But. - My friend Izzy just texted me, the producer of our podcast. - What did she say? - She texted only you? - Yeah, she was giving me a time update. - I can't help it. - I can't help it. - I can't help it. - Oh, I see how it is. - Yeah, sorry, I was just talking to my friend Izzy. You keep going. - Oh, okay. - Izzy, when you text me again. - Like the app, today's show comes out. We kind of talk about nothing. Incess World War I. (laughing) Take that, Al Roker. He's gonna be a listener now. - I tell you, I'll give me a big hug at the end. - Yeah, that's special. - He's big, like a hug, kind of. - Like bear hug. - Yeah, okay, so Germany sends Mexico this telegraph and it goes through and it's kind of like, hey, if you join us in this war, which is like, so excited to just picture Mexico being like, you want us to, they were like, we'll help you get Texas back. - If you, Germany wouldn't have contacted Texas. - Yeah, I think that that, but it was intercepted by the British. And because they, Germany had used an American line to send it, because they'll never check the American line, but the British were tapped into the American line. And then they held it. They held on to it to wait until they could leverage it to get the Americans to join their war. - Wow. - Which is pretty fascinating, 'cause I didn't even know that we were doing all this horse shit. - Who knew, how did they know to intercept this random piece of mail? - I think that it was just like spies. They were so into spies back then. - Spies were so good. - Spies were good and cute. - Very interesting. Thank you. - Yeah, those, - Then ask what you know about World War One. - Yeah, it began from like a Serbian side. And it was like pretty confusing, because there was a lot of like, it's not, what is it called when you're like for your nation? - Nationalism. - Nationalism. But it was like the three, it was like two, two sides with like three big guys each that got involved, because they were all like nationalist. I think it was like Britain, France. And one more. And then it was like Germany. No. - Austria, Hungary. - Austria, Hungary was one. And then Russia was an ally of the US, but France. It would be a assassination. - It would be a assassination of our shook for France. - Yes. - Yeah, but then there were the powers to be. It was like three versus three. And we were an ally of like Russia, Russia, Britain and France. I think it was Russia, Britain, France. And then there was like Germany, Germany, Austria, Hungary and Italy on the German side. - Italy and Germany are cohorts. - Because of the Mussolini piece. - That was two, I think. - Anyways, so they started fighting each other. And then we weren't gonna join and then the Germans, I think the Germans sunk like an American ship and it killed a bunch of people and we still didn't join. 'Cause there was like a freedom of like, the waters were free for submarine warfare or something. I don't know, some bullshit. But we joined eventually. And that's all I know. - It's crazy that it's just like World War II. It's like everyone knows about World War II. But my World War I knowledge is pretty damn limited. It's pretty limited to the Archduke, France, Ferdinand and it ends there. - The Archduke, Archduke. Come over and play-- - But then after World War I, Austria and Hungary separated and became different places. - Yeah, due to the fact, due to the facts that be. Who took Archduke's place? Who gives it shit? - Wait, what was he the Archduke of? What's he the Archduke of? - Ferdinand. - No, no, this is his name. So I honestly bet there wasn't another one after him because they became different.
came two different places. He was the heir to the throne. - After his death, Archduke Carl came. - Oh, oh, Archduke Carl. - Wow, imagine going from Fred, Ferdinand to Carl. Absolute slob. - All right. - Okay, well that's enough for that. - That's enough for that. - Enough of that for now. - Do you wanna touch any of the messages that you got? - Yeah, I have a bunch, I really can't believe we got that far with. - No, I told you that incest conversation carries. - Yeah, really curious to far away places. The thing about these things that people send in for deep dives that we could go into, I don't even know which ones would prove interesting 'cause I've never heard of a bunch. - Sure. - A bunch of people did send in the word money and at how money works, I don't really know what that is. What's a flock camera? - I don't know what a flock camera is. - Can we look into flock cameras? - Yeah, it's those like government. It's what the cities have been using, but now they're like surveillance. - Flock cameras are automated license plate readers, systems made by the flock safety. Unlike standard video cameras, they do not record continuous video use facial recognition. Instead, they snap still photos of passing vehicles to log license plates. Vehicle and make a model. Okay. But the issue now is-- - Why is that bad? - Surveillance. - They think, or they know that it's constantly on, so it's monitoring people all the time. - I think at this point, we just assume that's the case, right? - Yeah, everyone's, there's cameras everywhere. And they make such small ones now. You could put them in your, - Yeah. - You could have a real magic school bus situation. - There's way 'til you get home. - Jesus Christ. - We could do magic school bus. There's a world in the next 15 years where Netflix says like a live action magic school bus, but not with real people, like they put a camera up your. Tuckus. And then they go up. Wait. Up your button around the corner to three of your tubes and out your boobs. Magic. - Show out your boobs. I guess you could out the nipple duct. - I can. - I know you can. - Get like me. - Can I ask you a question? It wasn't a question, but do you remember when people tape over their cameras on their computers? - Yeah. - Or are they still doing that? - I think everyone has kind of moved, I know a lot of people still put the like, in and out, there's like a little windshield wipe or type thing when they cover it up when they're not using it. - Do you believe that people are watching you through your computer camera? - Are you asking me like a point blank? Do I believe people are watching me through my computer camera? Like, do I genuinely believe that? - Yes, that's what I'm asking you. - It's just, it's, the only reason I will say it's heart, like I don't think someone is sitting there watching my computer camera because like, we don't even have enough baristas right now, you know? Like who is sitting, people would take that job. I don't know, I don't think so. I don't think we have enough workforce to be doing that. - What about, here's what I'll ask you. You've just committed a pretty intense crime. - Yeah. - They're doing recon on you. - Okay. - Do you think that there is footage from your computer that has been recording you this whole time that they could then pull? - I imagine if they are watching your computer, it would probably be a flock camera situation where they could like, there's been still images. Like, if that's the case, I don't know if that's the case. I'm out of storage on my phone. I bought two terabytes. There's no way that they're constantly recording and saving and uploading unless that's what the data centers are for. We are genuinely stepping into conspiracy theory level. - I'm on, I'm just asking these questions, you know? - Oh, I don't know, but I don't have the, you know, my fat ass does not have the answer. I have always been of the elk. Like, there's nothing I'm doing on my computer. Like, what you're watching me with like my face like this on the camera? - I'm just saying like, think criminal minds. Like, could, Patelope Garcia access footage taken from the computer, even when the computer wasn't recording? If she believes that the unsub committed a crime in front of the computer. - No, I don't like it. - That's not been done in criminal minds. That's not been done in criminal minds. - That's never come up. I also think a big fear was like, people being like, your camera is on and like it'll see you naked. - Right. - Then it sees me naked. - Sorry, I'm just seeing if Craig has followed me back. - Has he? - Not yet. - Did you change your phone back, or your phone case for this? - No. - Oh. - I thought you were gonna say, did you change your phone back on a Craig? And that's one of your business. - If they be closer to the mic. - No, I don't. These mics can pick up from far away, right? Yeah, these mics can pick up from far away. - Okay, sorry. You know what, I do get like a lot of, I'm sure a lot of people get the FYP. I'm really just scrolling on reels at this time 'cause I have removed the TikTok app for my phone for a little bit one month. And I've just been amazing. I had to read download to watch that video of Karina gagging at her Sephora. - Did you see the other one I sent you? - No, 'cause I don't have the app. - It's just as good, Izzy. Do you have your texts on this computer? Can you pull up the second video I had sent you all of Karina? - Yeah. - Afterwards, I have like a genuine conspiracy theory that I'm pretty like. I'm not tuned into, but it is amazing to me that so many people, so many people with Instagrams with families believe this one and they're commenting with their chat. - Oh, I'm curious. - Oh, you need to. - This is the only person that if they had a podcast, I would listen to it, I think. Karina and Jonathan Groff. - Karina, is this about that? - Look out. We're doing what do I sound like this? - I'm wondering. - And I was coughing and I think I choked on my throat up. And I can still feel it. Like there's still something coming up. - Call us back. - I'm trying to do abuse. I have crackle seal to try to absorb it, but I really do not. That's not a good way to wake up. - Right. - A nap. - Another thing. - Is your stomach just then? - Nothing is. - She goes quiet to let it speak. - I think it was also moving her throat. Boop. Is that I'm just sitting here and I'm like hearing and hearing, like something I see like an Amazon dry. I'm on the end going, they back into my driveway. I thought they were backing into the house. So I was like paddicking. I'm like, no, this is not great. - I love her so much. - I thought they were backing into the house. This is not great. Can I see the comments? The comments like. I thought they were backing in the house. I think you're a coming girl. - Are we ever okay? - Dancing on live 30 minutes after boasting this is so funny. - She's just like, I just, like I have the impulse every time I even like, I'm a little bit nauseous to, to post. And so the fact that she just does it so shamelessly makes me feel so safe and heard. And like, she, I would say, she is my influencer, like she makes me feel something out of everyone, like I want her on dancing with the stars. - She needs to get a doctor. - She has, she definitely has. - She shouldn't be nauseous every day. - I think it's also just like, I'm nauseous every day, but like I think I'm a lot. - She might have girls. - She might have girls, but like, I'm thinking about being nauseous all day. You know, and it makes me nauseous. - Sure. - She has a lot of health anxiety. She's just a girl. - No, I know. - So I mean, I like truly, like she's my favorite person. Anyway, what were you saying about your conspiracy theory? So we have time, is he? We just had an hour. Do you want to do a conspiracy theory in the bonus? - I want to do one really quick really, because I want people to let me know if you have seen this. There's a new thing that people are saying about the sun that during COVID, they installed a new sun. - And someone came on and was like, my sunflowers don't know where to point. They're all pointing in different directions now because this is an artificial sun. And it broke. You say, ooh, like I hope this person has a really good support system. There's support system right there in the comments. I knew something was off. I haven't gotten tan since 2020. All those kind of people need is one other person. - It's community, it's community building. You can build your community online. Now, there's no way that it helps that person's mental to be like, oh my God. I was right, the sun is not, this is not the sun that I grew up with. The sun is different. - It's like, what do you do? with the, I don't know how to like respond to this.
types of people just like know that that that person is going to like Thanksgiving with their family and you could be sitting next to them hearing about how the sun isn't real right honestly I've got I would have one of those at Thanksgiving like that would be a that would honestly be a more engaging conversation than put the ones that I have sometimes I have to say I have one person at Thanksgiving who believes that uh Ivanka Ivanka Trump's Ivanka Trump's mother is Princess Diana let's say that does that not true what that's that's Prince Harry and Prince William's mother and she's past and there is someone at my Thanksgiving table who would say that her and Trump had actually had a child well I would encourage you to keep an open mind about Ivanka Trump nice one legend legend status such legend status it's cute as well it is cute okay man I hope everyone really enjoyed that and I'm sure they did sure they did I'm sure we'll have a brand new audience next week I'm scared is it you think that was fine to say yeah yes I mean it's like so interesting please no more of once we get through the hour to be like do you think that 15-minute segment was okay like if we're going to cut something we have to do it real time I'm genuinely fine now that I've I have not read comments in months so I don't know I don't know what people are saying please if if anything if you and I won't know what people are saying if you made it this far and you have something to say keep it to yourself probably watch something I'm curious if now that I've connected you know with Craig and Al and I kind of didn't give them a lot of information about this podcast maybe they get curious and they will listen to this one maybe they have some downtime in paradise that could that could happen I hope they listen to this one you will never know by the way this one started what was to follow on God fact all right love you bug bye guys listening we'll see you next week this week I'm close friends this gay incest is so much better than straight incest I just went to the dermatologist that is the skin color mold do you want to see it honestly I'm not kidding you might not think of me the same way who's about to have real girls head face wait no three two one sword I mean three two one rock sign up on tmgstudios.tv to watch the full bonus episode
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The speaker shared their intense fear of public speaking, rooted in a traumatic childhood reaction to Jay Leno’s talk show, which led to a two-year silence and severe stage fright.
They prepared extensively for a Today Show appearance, practicing for weeks and taking a beta blocker to manage physical symptoms, believing they would faint or vomit on stage.
Despite initial panic, the experience went smoothly—host Craig Melvin made them feel comfortable, the segment ended quickly, and they didn’t deliver all their talking points, which they appreciated.
The speaker described their debut novel, Phoebe, a romantic story about a 30-year-old woman with severe intimacy anxiety who navigates three love interests before her birthday, with the book set to be released on Netflix.
The experience was emotionally transformative, helping them overcome a long-standing fear and opening the door to future public appearances, especially with Craig Melvin, whom they now admire.
The speaker expressed concern about media portrayals of tragedies, like the Idaho murder documentary, arguing that such stories often lack depth and serve more to exploit pain than to provide meaningful narrative.
They discussed a complex conversation about incest involving a brother-sister relationship, emphasizing that while many view it as morally wrong, the debate centers on consent, power dynamics, and societal norms rather than strict biological lines.
The episode included recommendations for books and sponsors, with a focus on self-care, hydration, and convenience, reflecting a balanced mix of personal growth and lifestyle habits.
Summary:
The speaker recounts their journey through public speaking anxiety, triggered by a childhood trauma from watching Jay Leno’s talk show. This fear led to years of avoiding stage performances, including school plays. For months, they prepared intensely for a Today Show appearance, taking a beta blocker to manage physical symptoms, and genuinely believed they would faint or pass out.
However, the experience turned out to be manageable and empowering—host Craig Melvin made them feel at ease, and the segment moved quickly, allowing them to share key talking points without pressure. They also discuss their debut novel, Phoebe, a story about a 30-year-old woman with severe intimacy anxiety who discovers love before her 30th birthday, set for release on Netflix. The episode reflects on broader ethical questions about incest, emphasizing consent and power dynamics over biological ties, while also exploring the emotional toll of media portrayals of tragedies like the Idaho murder case.
The conversation is balanced with light-hearted book recommendations and sponsor promotions, highlighting personal growth, self-care, and the importance of hydration and convenience in daily life. Ultimately, the speaker feels a profound sense of relief and empowerment after successfully navigating a high-stakes public appearance, marking a turning point in their confidence and career.
FAQs
The speaker felt extremely nervous and initially believed they might faint or vomit on stage, but they managed to stay composed. They took a beta blocker to reduce physical symptoms and found that the experience was less terrifying than expected, especially after a calm and supportive interaction with the hosts.
The speaker had a deep-rooted fear of public speaking triggered by a Jay Leno episode when they were young. For two years, they avoided any stage appearances. Over time, they worked through the fear through preparation, mental rehearsal, and eventually taking a beta blocker, which helped manage their physical symptoms during high-stress moments.
No, the speaker could not watch the broadcast because their flight was delayed, and their hotel lacked live TV. They only saw clips and were unable to access the full episode due to technical and logistical constraints.
The speaker promoted their debut novel, 'Phoebe,' a romantic story about a woman with severe intimacy anxiety who navigates love and self-discovery in the 30 days before her 30th birthday.
The speaker felt comfortable and supported, especially by host Craig Melvin, who made them feel at ease. They appreciated the hosts' professionalism and the fact that they were prepared to cut to a commercial break if needed, which reduced anxiety during the appearance.
After the experience, the speaker has returned to wanting a more private, secluded life, though they remain open to occasional public appearances, especially when hosting or when with Craig Melvin, who they admire.
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