Someone has been watching me through my window at 3 AM. Last night, I finally saw their face.

You're listening to a Mum and me podcast. That was the moment Katy Perry, the Australian fashion designer, finally closed the chapter on a nearly 17-year dispute with pop star Katy Perry. But how did the Sydney Mum of 2 get here? Nearly two decades on from being locked in a legal battle with one of the world's biggest musicians. It's the quickie for Friday, March 13. I'm Taylor Strano. For a look at the latest news headlines, here's Clem Irfy. Thanks, Taylor. Australia has ordered all non-essential officials to leave Israel and the United Arab Emirates two weeks after the US and Israel's war on Iran began. Foreign Minister Penny Wong said staff were directed to leave due to the deteriorating security situation. Saying, "Central Australian officials will remain in country to support Australians who need it. We continue to advise Australians not to travel to Israel and the UAE." The two-week-old conflict has prompted thousands of Australians to flee the region, with the government saying on Tuesday that more than 2,600 Australians were returning home on commercial flights. Senator Wong said the overwhelming majority of Australian citizens who were travelling through the Middle East and became stuck when the war broke out had now returned home. The war in the region has so far killed around 2,000 people and caused the biggest disruption to global oil supplies in decades. Oil prices that had come down earlier this week after US President Donald Trump said the war would soon be over, soared back to above US$100 a barrel after an escalation in Iranian attacks on ships in the Persian Gulf. The families of 15 people murdered in the Bondi massacre are worried the Royal Commission into anti-Semitism won't be taken seriously after the resignation of the former Azeobos. The wide-ranging federal probe was called after almost a month of lobbying from Australia's Jewish community and pressure from the federal opposition. Former spy chief in US Ambassador Dennis Richardson, who was originally brought on to run an independent investigation into possible intelligence failures, leading up to the December 14 attack, announced he was quitting the probe, saying he was "sirpless" to requirements. Jenny Rotea, the niece of Boris Teteroyd, who was fatally shot at the Hanukkah celebration, says the families are now worried everything will fall apart, saying we wanted a really close look at the intelligence agencies and their failures. We're becoming extremely concerned that this Royal Commission is turning into a farce. Sabine Klytman, the daughter of Holocaust Survivor and Bondi victim Alex Klytman, said she and the community were shocked by Mr. Richardson's announcement, saying due to his credentials, he would be the best person to get down to the reason behind what had happened. Two backpackers have sadly died in flood waters in Queensland. The pair, a 26-year-old man and 23-year-old woman who are from China were on their way from Brisbane to the North Burnett region to do fruit picking when their car drove off a bridge into the flood water. Their bodies were discovered by a member of the media on Thursday in the submerged vehicle at Kilkavan west of Gimpy. The tragedy marked the first flood-related deaths in the rain-drenched region, as other communities braced for rising river levels with areas of Chinchilla, North-West of Brisbane, and Longreach now in the rising water's firing line. Meanwhile, the Northern Territory still has multiple flood warnings and watches in place. More residents have been evacuated from Catherine, with further river rises expected. In some positive news, the Boyle Water Alert has been lifted for Darwin, but it still remains in place for Catherine and Jook Mingun. The Matilda's will face off against North Korea tonight in their quarter-final Asian Cup showdown in Perth. The Aussies passed to the Women's Asian Cup title became complicated when their three-old draw with South Korea saw them relegated to second spot in Group A. That meant instead of staying in Sydney and taking on World No. 49 Uzbekistan, they had to travel back to Perth to face World No. 9 North Korea. Adding another layer of intrigue to the Women's Asian Cup is the fact that the four teams who reached the semi-finals are guaranteed qualification for the 2027 World Cup in Brazil. The four quarter-final losers will play off on the Gold Coast for two World Cup births. Alongside the Paralympians who are performing incredible feats of strength and endurance at the Winter Games, their service dogs are also stealing the social media spotlight. Australia has three dogs that have traveled halfway across the world to support our Paranodic team at the Milano-Cortina Games. Paraskear Matt Brumbi's Black Lab Willow, Cross Country Scared, Dave Mills, Yellow Lab Suki and Biathlete and Cross Country Scared, Taren Dickens, Chocolate Lab, Gigi. Lieutenant Commander Mills, who's also a Navy veteran alongside Dickens, who both also competed in the Invictus Games, said Suki was supposed to be safely inside a cabin while he was competing in his event. But someone left the door open and the lab decided to compete in her own game of avoid everyone trying to catch her. Overnight, our youngest female Winter Paralympians, 16-year-old Paral Alpine Skier Leana France, finished 15th in the women's giant Slalom, welcomed at the finish line by a giant pink Australian flag with her face photoshopped across it and held up by her family. Australia's flag-barra Georgiagano came 11th in the vision impaired event, along with her guide Ethan Jackson, her supporters holding up a sign which read "Year the Girls" and Ethan. Thanks, Claude. Next, the David and Goliath trademark battle between Aussie designer Katie Perry and Global Popstar, Katie Perry. Two women, one name and a legal battle nearly 17 years in the making. Allow me to explain. Let's start with the women. Katie Perry, the singer, was born Catherine Elizabeth Hudson and adopted her stage name in the early 2000s. Katie Perry, the Sydney-based designer, was actually born with that name and began trading under Katie Perry for her clothing label around 2007, applying to register it as a trademark before she says she even heard I kiss to girl. By 2009, their world's collided. As the pop star prepared for her hello Katie Australian tour, her team clocked that someone here down under already held a registered Katie Perry clothing trademark. And so began a marathon legal battle, starting with a season decyst letter to send Katie Perry the designer and continuing on for nearly 17 long years. For a while, it all seemed like a weird, nerdy legal footnote, a pop star and an Aussie designer battling out for naming rights. Literally. During the course of the saga, Katie Perry, the singer, also known for her brief dalliance in space, was part of a few other legal matters, including but not limited to a very public property dispute with a group of California nuns and a messy court fired over a $15 million dollar mansion with an elderly veteran. Then in 2019, Katie Perry, the designer, took Katie Perry the singer to the federal court, arguing the sale of Katie Perry clothes, shoes, and headwear in Australia, infringed her trademark. She won it first, but lost on appeal. With judges going so far as to say the clothing brand could be cancelled because the pop star's name already had a strong reputation here. Fast forward to this week, the high court has had its final say, and it's gone the way of our homegrown Katie. In a majority decision handed down on Wednesday, the court found that using the Katie Perry mark on clothing was unlikely to deceive or confuse customers, given how well-known the singer is in Australia and didn't reach trademark law. So, victory at the end of it all, but at what stake? From legacy to standing up for small business, and in her own words, justice and the right thing, Katie Perry, yes, the designer joins us now on the quickie. Katie, let's start Wednesday this week. You put this great video out of you at the dining table, laptop out in front of you, when the decision comes through. Do you want to walk us through that moment on Wednesday morning was like? Look, I've got goose bumps just going back to that moment. I was sitting there in front of my laptop just refreshing because I knew an email was going to come through from my lawyer and it came through and there was just two words, we won. And I literally just jumped up. I was like a jumping bean just full of absolute joy. My mum was there. My stepdad, who had been through this whole journey with me and we all just jumped up and down, burst into tears. It was absolute pure elation. It's kind of a weird feeling as well though, right? Because you're not actually in the room where the decision's being made, you're waiting for an email to come through from your lawyer. Is that typical? Is that how things work for those of us who aren't really dealing with the high court that often? Look, I don't know. I thought that because that's what also you see in movies is that you'd be there in the court and they'll read the verdict. But it felt odd just being there all by myself as well and having to deal with this huge news kind of alone. But the positive was, at least I was in the comfort of my own home. For anybody that's ever been to court, that's not my world. You know, I'm a fashion designer. I'm not a lawyer. I'm completely out of my comfort zone in any courtroom. And so your two children who are six and nine years old, they're in the very little still. Their entire lives, this court case, this legal battle has played out in the background. What was it like when you picked them up from school and told them the news? Look, that was actually one of the highlights of the entire day just picking them up and they said, because I hadn't told them that the verdict was coming out purely because I didn't want them to be concerned. I wanted them to keep their routine. And so I picked them both up and I said, today the verdict came out and we won. They were so absolutely excited. My son has already said that he's going to do a talk about me at school. You're going to make his news. He's showing tell on my mind. It's showing tell exactly my mom. And you know what? through all of this, they've been kind of my guiding star, and I really wanted to be a role model for them of courage, of persistence, and just to keep going even when it is hard. I want to sort of walk back down memory lane a little bit because you've been dealing with this legal battle for 17 years. Do you remember when you were first made aware of Katie Perry, the singer, and also I guess her for lack of a better word, cramping-year style? Yeah, look, for me, my label started in 2007, and like many fashion designers chose my name. I had never heard of her at that time she wasn't around, and I think sometimes it's hard for people to imagine a time when no one knew of the pop singer. I first heard of her when she had that song, "I Kissed a Gold and I Like It." And you know what I did? I actually bought the song because I thought, "Wow, that's amazing. There's another Katie Perry out there. I want to show my support." Very different to what then happened to me, which was in 2009. I had just had my first launch from my showroom. I remember sitting around empty champagne glasses and picking up this really thick envelope and opening it up. And it said, "Sis and assist. Stop sale of your clothes. Stop your website and stop any advertising material." And as you can imagine, I mean, I was so scared. I burst into tears and to think that my dream that I wanted to have a fashion label since I was 11 was going to get taken away from me. And I hadn't done anything wrong. I'd done exactly what the government said, "ABN, register a business name and get a trademark." And that's exactly what I'd done. What's the legal standing then? How do they attack that? Because you're Katie Perry, the woman, the fashion designer here in Australia. She's Katie Perry, product of the pop machine. She's a galaer, right? You're one woman. How does it feel to have this entire mass entity sort of coming down on you? Must have been terrifying? It was. It was really scary and the letter was very threatening. And anybody that's ever had to deal with laws, it's scary unless you're working in that field. But one thing that I believe in is justice. And I believe in standing up for what's right. And I just kept on going back like, "I haven't done anything wrong. I'm not just going to buckle." This happens to a lot of small business in Australia. Overseas conglomerates come in, they put a lot of pressure, they threaten with legal action. And so you think, "Oh, well, I'm just one person. I'll just give up." And that's what today stands for because you can be one person and fight. Why was this an important for you to fight this? Because this is what I believe in. You know, I really think it's important to stand up for our values. I think it's important to stand up for small business. Trademag Law is here to protect all and that's what I've always believed in whether or not you have a small business or a big business. You should have that protection. And that's what this case has been about. It's been more than just a name. It's actually been standing up for justice. What does it take to take on a big celebrity then? Because like we've mentioned, you're one lady, she's a big machine. How do you even start to attack that? Look, I think it's sometimes hard to go back because today, obviously, I won and I'm so excited. But there has been a lot that's happened behind closed doors and it hasn't always been rainbows and unicorns. It's been really hard and there's been a lot of tears and moments when I just thought, this is too much. I'm just one person. How do I keep going? And what I kept coming back to is watch what my 80 year old self say. So what would 80 year old Katie say to me? And each time it was keep fighting for what you believe in. You believe in justice. You believe in small business. Your values matter. Life is hard and there are many times that you'll go through things and think, I can't do this for another day. I don't have the resilience. And it's a matter of just getting yourself up and keep going. Have you at any stage had contact with Katie Perry, the woman because from a common sense standpoint, it feels like if you could just sit down with her and say, hey, this is my context. This is where I'm coming from in this situation. The reasonable person would maybe think, oh, we could work out an agreement. Have you ever had the opportunity to do that? No, she won't have anything to do with me. And she actually said some really nasty things about me and personally attacked me. I won't repeat them because they were so horrible. People can always go online and find out what they were. So we've had no contact. Now that everything is said and done though, if you had the opportunity, what would you say to Katie Perry, the pop star? I have nothing to say to her. I mean, I think today says it all I want. I want to talk about the people in your life, Katie, who through the last 17 years have been by your side, who've supported you. Obviously, your family plays a huge role in that. But what about the rest of the industry? Because Australia is a small place. I imagine the fashion industry and the designer community is even smaller than that. Have you had people in your professional life reach out, support you through this? Look, I have not even just in my professional life, but even in the broader community. You know, I do the rocks markets every weekend. I have people coming up and just saying, I saw you, I've heard your story. You know, I've had people just say, I don't have too much money, but he's $20 towards your legal case because they wanted to be part of this and make an impact just before I came on air. I was actually talking to my production manager, my pattern maker sent me a beautiful message yesterday, but it's reached broader. It's actually reached the whole of the community because this is a story that's more about resilience and standing up for what you believe in. So what happens from here now? I imagine you've just been inundated with phone calls and messages and well-wishers and I hope orders as well. Yes, it's been amazing. I've had so much support. Lots of people have gone to my website, which is incredible because it's also part of a story now, like by one of my t-shirts and you're wearing your values, you're wearing part of history. And this has also been about supporting made in Australia. You know, I've always been right from 2007 manufacturing here in Australia. So to have that support on so many different levels really means a difference and every order means a difference to my small business. Is it over now? Is there a chance of an appeal or is this it? We just move on with life. We went to the high court and won. This is it. I get to keep my trademark and I'm so fortunate because now I can start focusing on the future. I've been in this state of limbo. Where am I going with my business? I can't scale. Do I put more money in it? Because at any possibility it could have been cancelled. So I can now go back to doing the thing that I really love. Go back to designing, manufacturing in Australia. I'm actually back to my production house tomorrow in Marickville. So it's kind of back to it and I'll be at the Rox market on Sunday if anyone wants to come by and say hi. I love that it's just B.A.U for you now. It is very, very much. So and I think it is when you've got a small business. You know, it is just me. I don't have a huge team behind me. Oh look, Sydney markets today but Paris Fashion Week next year. Who knows? Who knows? I feel like the future is really bright and anything is possible. 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