SOLO: Why We Need to Talk About 'Diary of a CEO'

(upbeat music) - A list, nap, production. - It's a lot is recorded on Gadigal land. We power respects to the traditional custodians of this land and to elders past and present. We also would love to extend our respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people listening today and remind you all that sovereignty was never ceded and it always was and always will be Aboriginal land. (upbeat music) - It's a lot isn't it? (upbeat music) - Hello everybody, wow. First solar episode back for this year. We tried to record this last week, but I am constantly vomiting now because we think my medications are a bit whack. They're a little bit jacked up. But look, I ate this morning and I didn't vomit and also it's for good reason. Yeah, it's really great. I did feel nauseous driving in, but I sculled my protein smoothie and it actually stopped the pain. So there we go. Listen everyone, there have been many things that I want to talk about. There's so much going on in the world. Donald Trump is trying to invade Greenland, which then would make America not be a part of NATO. Now that's really important because that's our alliances. You know, there are allies. If NATO crumbles, yeah, things are a bit fucked. So that would kind of cause war after war after war. That's not good. We're not talking about that today. All right, let me have a bit of fucking moment of fucking reprieve from that, okay? You go and Google it. If you want to know what's going on, look it up because I can't handle it anymore. Every day, there's 45 million things that Trump has done and every day I think I was right. I was right. I was right. I hate to make this the focus of everyone, but I was fucking right. I'm fucking sorry. I told everyone, they should care about this. Everyone said, you're being stupid again. Why do you get it? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Well, now we're about, someone's going to hit the nuke button. And I bet we're all going to be obliterated. I honestly, last night was it didn't with Adam and sat there and I was thinking, a nuke could just come and make us into gas. Just to solve us, we could just, we're in Sydney city right now. We could just be nuicked. If Donald Trump, if Albo says something about Trump's weird, tiny hands, you know, if anything, that man's ego was so fragile that he probably would nuke us. And I was thinking, time to live life, because we probably could get mutually assured destruction at any point, which by the way, we haven't let talk about in the past 30 or so years because we all kind of thought everyone agreed to not nuke each other and to not break it NATO alliances, but look where we are. Yeah, so that's not what we're going to talk about. I can't get into that. There's been a whole lot of other shit happening on the internet and there was one thing that I saw a few months ago when it first started to go viral and I went to stitch it and my stitch ended up being nine minutes long and I said, I haven't even gotten through what I want to talk about with this. So I'm just going to bring it to the podcast. You may have seen it. There is a clip going viral right now from the diary of a CEO. If you've seen all the discourse about it and you go, I've heard about this hang tight, because I think I have a bit of maybe an interesting take because I listened to the whole episode. Guys, I did research, I listened to two episodes of the diary of a CEO in full so that I would have an understanding, okay? Thank you guys, research, research, research. Someone, oh no, give me a prize of some kind for actually listening to the podcast that I'm talking about. No, I usually do that, but these ones are so long. They're like, "I love long." But so there's a clip that's gone viral and I do want to dissect it and talk about it. And I guess I'll play the clip first so you understand what piqued my interest and then we can go into other clips that I've seen. Because this guest that he has on, called Dr. K, it's a recurring guest. So we've got quite a few clips of what he said. And yeah, it sparked not only debate, but it actually sparked mainstream press coverage. This clip that has gone viral from diary of a CEO. Now I will say this podcast is not really seen as a, you know, Manusphere Redpill podcast. And I would say that it actually isn't. No, I would say that's inaccurate. I don't think that it is a Redpill podcast, but it is interesting the way that it leaves space for the Redpill Manusphere entitled patriarchal men to feel safe and not feel called out and not feel like they are being held accountable for their actions. So we're going through exactly how I'm seeing this as a gateway into the Redpill Manusphere thinking or how it allows those kinds of thought processes to fester and supports them rather than cutting them down. But let's listen to that clip that by the way, I can't find it anywhere in full on the internet anymore. I think maybe it's been deleted. But I can find any of all stitches. This episode is from a few months ago. And here is the clip that went a little bit viral. And I'm going to pause in between and talk about what's being said. A huge amount of men between the age of 15 and 50 will not pass on their genes. They will effectively die out of the gene mating pool. So people will hear that and many people will go, "Well, that's evolution." Yeah. But I want to understand if there's a counterpoint to that. It should society intervene. Why is, you know, in the short term, we're going to have a lot of men who are disillusioned that become in cells, find themselves in pocket to the internet are resentful, all those kinds of things. But should society intervene to cause correct that? Should we put systems in place to make sure that those men meet partners? So we are. So that's the first half of the clip. What Stephen is saying, the host, the host is same Stephen, the doctor's name, Dr. K, okay? The quote unquote expert that we've got on the show, okay? So he is saying, he's the one with the English accent, if you're listening at home, if you haven't seen it before. The English one is the host, and the American one is the guest. So the guest is Dr. K, who is a hardward train. I think he's a psychiatrist. And he's obviously a very intelligent man. And they're having a conversation. And all of their podcast titles, Dr. K, are things like, there is a crisis going on with men. Explanation, excellent action mark. I did find the full episode of this that you were talking about. Yes. Dr. K. Colin. This group of men are slowly going extinct. Yes. So, no, they're not. Obviously, there are many worrying things here, but I'm going to go from the top. The way that it is framed, the way that Stephen Bartlett frames is. And he says, so what you're saying is, men aged half of men aged 15 to 50 are not going to pass on their genes. The way that it's framed is like it's some fucking crisis, as though men have the right and are entitled to pass on their genes. I'm going to be honest. Who gives a fuck if you can pass on your genes? I don't give a fuck if I can pass on my genes. If it was 15 to 50 year old women, half of them aren't going to be able to pass on their genes. I go, I thought, the way that it was presented, I think this is very sneaky and we'll get more into how this is sneaky. The way it's presented, when I first saw this clip, I thought that he was talking about microplastics in the balls and the scene and the saying they won't be able to, because the language sounds quite medical and quite scientific going. Half of men aged 15 to 50 won't be able to pass on their genes. That means they are, it is not possible for them to pass on their genes. But that isn't what they're talking about. They're talking about what they call the mating crisis. What the actual hell, the reason why these men aren't able to pass on their genes is because, sorry, they actually aren't viable partners in whatever way. They are not entitled to have children. They are not entitled to pass on their genes. There is an idea amongst men, particularly those who are indoctrinated by patriarchal thinking deep down to their core, that their value comes from their offspring. And we see this throughout history and it honestly used to be a real value. The more kids you had, the more help you had around the farm or whatever the hell you were doing in when you were a peasant in the 1700s or the 1500s. That was a genuine real benefit, right to have more help around the house. It has now come down to be sort of a status symbol. I've sent the podcast a few times before that men who are married with children tend to get paid the most and get the most promotions and get hired more frequently. Some studies show because they are seen as more reliable because they have a family and it ups their social standing and also because they have a wife who will take care of those children. Whereas women who have children and who are married are seen as less reliable because they will be assumed to be the primary parent and they will be the one second care of the kids and it's seen that they'll have time off. And if they get pregnant again, who knows what's going to happen? So men do benefit from having children, right in society. That does not mean they are entitled to children. That does not mean that they have a right to have their genes passed on. And I think this whole conversation is just about male entitlement and patriarchal entitlement to have children. The fact that it's even being spoken about as though it's a crisis in this scary way and it's only talking about men is really interesting because if it's a mating crisis wouldn't it be 15 to 50 year old people half of the month going? Because you actually do need two people to make a baby. In fact, I would say you need women more. You actually, all you're doing is donating you a little bit of a cell. You're giving me a cell, popping it up there and seeing what happens. You give me like a million cells going, we'll see what happens. I'm doing the rest of the work, darling. I'm cooking it. I'm mixing it in with the eggs. I'm mushing it up. I'm letting it eat my food. I'm not drinking. I'm not smoking. I'm not doing anything. I'm sitting here, letting it grow inside me and then I have to squeeze it out of my pelvis that actually has evolved to be small than it should be. So actually childbirth is much more painful for us than it was for primates. Anyway, I've also been watching a lot of YouTube about evolution when I can't sleep moving on. So I find it really interesting that the wording of this is about men and how this is the crisis for men and how it's a worry for men that men aren't able to pass on their genes. By definition, would that not mean that women also aren't passing on their genes? Yes. It has to. It has to, right? But there's no mention of women because there isn't an assumption that women have a right to pass on their genes. They have a right to anything or entitlement to anything. It is just men that are missing out, not women because we know women are choosing to not have babies. We know that the reality of the quote unquote mating crisis is that women actually have autonomy and they have to give consent to have a child and they are able to consent now because they have things like financial independence and they have their own jobs. And now we're going to kind of think, hmm, why am I doing all this labor and cooking the goo inside my womb to make a baby for you when when the baby comes out, I take care of the baby. I know I'm at the home taken care of the baby. I know I'm a takes care of the household. I'm the one who has their life permanently altered by this and you as a father can detach yourself from this child at any fucking point because let's be honest, so many men leave their fucking families or are present in the family but aren't there emotionally and aren't actually doing the child rearing. This is not all men, obviously, before people messaged me saying, "My husband's wonderful!" Then why are you getting so upset? You know what I mean? If your husband's so wonderful, why messaging me? But I think you saying not all men is also part of this conversation in that I think it's strange for them to be calling this a crisis and be discounting the fact that there probably are a large group of men who have made the conscious decision not to have children and they're lumping these people in as being part of a quote unquote crisis. Victims. Yeah, that they're victims and it's like, well, maybe these people have just made this choice and completely disregarding any socio-economic factors that contribute now to people not wanting or not being able to have children. They're making it out as if it's this moral crisis. And the way that it's worded is that men are the victims of something and when you leave that question open as to what they are the victims of, of course, a man watching that that is dabbling in red pill rhetoric and again, I'm not saying this podcast is red pill because I really do not think it is. But if someone does have that mindset already, they are going to go, well, there's a victim here. There's a victim here. There has to be someone who was doing this to men. There has to be a cause for this and it can't be the men and this is an in this clip. It is never said that it's because of men's inability to have any emotional intelligence or better themselves. It is just left open-ended. So in this, the way it's presented, even in of itself, is clinical and presented as scientific. But in reality, there is no, there is an omission of what is actually happening and that is that women have essentially gained more independence. And also, like you said, Amy, there are other socio-economic factors. The fact that we're almost going to a war, the fact that climate change as well, like these individual men's autonomy is actually stripped by this conversation and they are put into the category of a victim. When in reality, they could change that or they also can live without having, they don't even give birth. Again, they just get the cell and forget about it. It's set and forget, you know what I mean? They're doing a fucking turnkey operation there. They're just buying an apartment ready to go. But these men are being presented as victims and as though they have no autonomy and that it is the fault of women. When you fill in the blanks, it does feel like the answer is, "Well, men aren't going to pass in their genes." It is even presented with the language of the fact that it is a mass extinction event. What are they? The fucking dodo? What the fuck is going on? Oh, it's a mass extinction event. What the fuck are you talking about? That is, they aren't going to, they're not getting killed if they don't have children. They aren't getting punished if they don't have children. They are actually just going to keep living and they don't get to have children. In this clip, Stephen Bartlett then goes, "Well, some people will save its actual selection." Yeah, yeah, it is natural selection. If you, again, they're all about the fucking free market, all these fucking, all these patriarchal men on the internet. They're all about the free market and, you know, if you want something, pull yourself up by a bootstraps until it comes to getting a root, until it comes to impregnating someone, they go, "Oh, look, I don't know. I don't know about that. I actually can't do anything about that. And actually, I'm a victim. And I'm a victim of a mass extinction event. But aren't the women who aren't giving birth and who aren't consenting to give birth also part of the mass extinction event? No, because they actually, the issues that they choose, they choose now to not have children. So then they can't be part of it, because they're the ones that have autonomy, but men are left here just without any control over their lives. And it's all because of evil women that are not allowing them to have children, to have their birthright. Right? So, again, I can't find out on the internet anywhere. And that clip actually clips a little bit earlier than what I'm previously, I have seen. But the way it continues on, because I've watched it so many times, is that then Dr. K, the expert, does something that's really interesting. And this is repeated time and time again in the podcast, where he goes, "Well, I'm going to answer your question with another question. If there is a virus that is killing out a large portion of mankind, should we intervene?" And Stephen Bartlett goes, "Well, yes." And then he goes, "If there is a genocide happening, should we intervene?" Stephen Bartlett goes, "Yes." And then he says something like, "If there is a new cancer or something, something that is killing a lot of people, should we intervene?" And Stephen Bartlett says, "Yes." And so, when you're using language like that, again, you're acting like it's life or death. And to his credit, in the episode, Stephen Bartlett says, "Well, it's a bit different, isn't it?" But they don't explain how it's different. So, what they're doing is, they're throwing these things out, along with the question of, "Should society intervene?" They're leaving breadcrumbs of many of the victims, that's the first stage, many of the victims, they have no autonomy, they have no way to change this, they are going to be extinct. Huh? How are they going to be? Everyone's going to die. Sweater, we're all going to die. Sorry. And you having a baby actually doesn't carry on anything. Like, it's a lovely thought. If you want to have children, that's wonderful. But that doesn't mean you live forever. That actually means you still die, probably alone in a nursing home. Let's be fucking honest, you know? A lot of you aren't going to be great fathers. If you're sitting on the computer, complaining or fucking down the internet, your kids aren't going to be around you anyway. If you can't even get a woman to like spending time with you, are your kids going to come and visit you in a nursing home? Probably not. You know, there is why men alone lay a lot of the times because of their own actions. Anyway, the way that they just presented us, so you're getting fed this information that sounds scientific, it sounds reasonable, it sounds true. And it could be true, right? It is true, half of men age 15 to 50 aren't going to pass on their genes, but we're omitting the information about that also. We were not going to pass on their genes. The focus is on men and the victimisation of men. Then you have the question, subtly asked or, you know, oh, I'm just asking questions of should society intervene? What the fuck does societal intervention actually look like when it comes to men who aren't good enough, are interesting enough, or emotionally intelligent enough to get a fucking root? What does it actually look like? Does it look like forcing men to. So forcing women, sorry, to have the children of these undesirable men, of these loser men who are victimising themselves constantly and that can't find a partner, is that what it looks like? And the thing is that question by itself is not outwardly misogynistic and there's what I want to talk about this podcast as a whole, is that it has this plausible deniability and I think this is in some ways some of the most dangerous content on the internet because it has a plausible deniability and if you call it out, you're called crazy and you're called, you're told you're overreacting and that isn't misogynistic, all they asked, all they did was ask a question. He didn't say society should intervene. He asked an expert guest if society should intervene. That expert guest then said, well, should be intervened when it comes to genocide. And of course the answer is yes. But it's a false equivalency. That's not the same thing at all. And oh, Stephen Bartlett pointed out that it wasn't the same thing but there was no explanation as to why it wasn't the same thing. And if you're going to put, if you're going to put ideas forward such as intervention, you need to be clear about what that intervention looks like. If Stephen Bartlett had sat there and said, well, there could be intervention such as therapy for people. That could be useful. There should be teaching about patriarchal conditioning when children are in school or about interpersonal relationships. There should be some sort of funding that goes towards community centers and encouraging young people to be involved in community without having to be affiliated with a church. Because right now it's very hard to find community. Instead of putting forward actual solutions that would not be toxic and would not imply that men deserve to have a partner. So what are we going to do about it? If you did that instead, they wouldn't be an issue. But with this open-ended question, it has caused a lot of fucking commentary. And I agree with it all, right? And so I saw this clip, and I was like, what? Because like I said, he's not a red pill podcast. And I thought, what an interesting clip to choose to put out there. Because nothing of substance was actually really said. But a lot can be derived from it, depending on where you sit on your understanding of feminism and patriarchy and also of in-sell culture. Like I told this to Adam. I was explaining it to Adam. And he was like, well, intervention could have been like therapy. Like I was saying, he thought the best of it, right? Because he's like, well, there should be intervention for these freaks. He's like, there should be intervention for these men. They need to get the fuck out of the house and get some fucking friends and talk to women. And I'm like, yeah, but the way that it was presented previously was that poor men, poor men, poor men have to help these men find a partner. They deserve to have kids as well. And this is a pattern that I saw when I listened to the whole podcast. Because I thought surely this podcast could not be entirely this. And also in that clip, no question was answered. He answered the question with a question and there was no, there was no outcome. There was no solution to it. There was nothing there. So I said, I'm going to listen to this episode in full. Because I want to know if there's, if I am overreacting. And I also want to know if Stephen Bartlett has gone down this red pill manuscript weirdo-ness, which you could argue he does tea to on with his guests. But again, there is this plausible deniability of, well, I'm just asking experts, kind of like with Joe Rogan. Everyone goes, oh, he's doing his interviewing people. It's like, yeah, but I'm not getting on an antioxidant. Tell me that drinking bleach is going to fucking help me. Like, am I? Like, you have some responsibility of who you platform and who you speak about. And of course, you can disagree with someone. They want something. You, you can't even find a person in the world that you agree with entirely. You can have different views. You can learn from that person. But when it comes to things that are like factually incorrect or are a warping of reality and incorrect conclusions are being drawn by the audience because of the information that you're peppering throughout your podcast, it becomes irresponsible in my opinion. I think that is where the irresponsibility comes in. So, I listened. Mm-hmm. There's only a few things that I would say are worth commenting on in an hour-and-a-half podcast. Because this, again, this Dr. K, he's been on the podcast quite a few times. And he is a highly intelligent man, he's Harvard trained. He is. And he's like an addiction expert, right? That's sort of the framing of getting him on that podcast. Yes, he's an addiction expert and he gives some really decent advice about how to break addictions and, you know, urge surfing, which is where. I think I've spoken about it on the podcast before when it comes to DV because I did like addiction counseling for my abusive relationship to get out of it because it's a very similar chemical thing. Oh, well. Yeah, so why did you like addiction? My therapist is like, we're going to do addiction stuff because you have a chemical addiction to being with this person because it open up in rises and falling and rising and falling. So, urge surfing is when, say, if you have an urge, I guess, to text your abuse in my. Or to go to their house to be like, "Oh my god, I just need to fix this, I need to fix it." And he get dopamine, I get dopamine, when they're nice to me, when they're nice to me. They're mad at me right now. You've just got to sit there and you've got to try and wait. It's a certain amount of minutes and then see. It's like you're allowed to do it after three minutes or something. Right. And then usually after the three minutes, your urge has dissipated and you can get on to the next thing. So, they do this lot of an addiction counseling. So, he talks about pornography addiction. He talks about the negative aspects of that. And it's all really valid, but I've noticed. Not all, sorry, a lot of it's really valid. But I've noticed a pattern in these kind of gateway red pill podcasts that I think is really worth looking out for when it comes to what you're listening to and also when it comes to what your. Like, many in your life are listening to and if you're a parent of teenager boys, what they, or even if you know any men, that are kind of going down this pipeline. And I think it's really interesting to look at the pattern that occurs and I think it's important to keep your eye out for this pattern. I noticed this first when I was watching Jordan Peterson when I was about 19. Obviously not for fun. But because I was like, "What are these weirdo misogynistic people talking about?" Yeah. Because everyone's with a much broader curiosity. And I was like, "What also you have to ask a question? What are people actually getting from this?" Yeah. Because again, no one normal is listening to a podcast straight away that is entirely just Andrew Tate Esk misogyny. It starts with things like this, opening your mind to a different way of thinking or like, "Have you ever thought about it like this?" Or, "Here's some facts, you come to your own conclusion." And I find this a lot with this gateway podcast, what I would describe as a gateway podcast. And it can be a gateway into positive things. Because again, sometimes the guests are great. Sometimes they're a bit interesting. It's a few things that would be problematic. And the pattern that I've noticed is this. They'll say fact, fact, fact, that I don't disagree with. That we wouldn't disagree because it's a fact. They can't disagree with facts, facts, facts, facts. And then they'll ask it, they'll ponder a question. And the question is left out in the open, despite the fact that you're the fucking expert. Why don't you answer your own fucking question? Why are you seeing that going? And so let me answer your question with the question. No, no, no, answer the fucking question. Answer the fucking question. What would societal intervention look like? We'll get back to that in a moment. But there's this pattern that emerges throughout the entire episode that I know is Jordan Peterson. An example that I have is when I watch Jordan Peterson clips, I watched this one really long one. Back before, people really knew who he was. And before he was full-blown Jordan Peterson. And he would do these psychologist lectures. And he would talk about the workplace. And he would say, essentially he was implying that it's a conspiracy to get cheaper wages in the workforce when we had women come into the workforce. So what he says is this. He goes, it's basic economics that if you keep demand the same and the more supply you have, then the cost of those goods will decrease, right? Right. That is basic economics, supply and demand. So you go, yeah, correct. He then goes, so when women enter the workforce, we essentially double the workforce. And you go, okay, yeah, I guess so, not really double. That's a bit of a push, but I get what you're saying. It increased the demand the workforce. To see how we've gone from fact to half. Fact where you go, yeah, but for illicitive purposes, you can say that. You can say that it doubled. You know, sure, whatever. I'm not going to go. It was actually 33% more people. It's a large chunk of people, right? Then the conclusion that he makes from that, and this is over 45 minutes, by the way, this is not in, you know, not as a sink to this. Then he goes, so really, the reason why your wages are lower, men, is because women entered the workforce. And the solution to this is to prevent women from being in the workforce. And it was a big conspiracy by feminists and by the CIA. I don't know if he's the supposedly, but this is what they, this is what they derive from it, sorry, online. People, these, in cells, genuinely think that women being able to work was the CIA infiltrating the economy, despite the fact that Jordan Peterson is Canadian. The CIA infiltrating the economy and pushing feminist agendas so that corporations would be able to pay people less money. As though they grandpa, he wasn't getting paid four cents an hour to be in the coal mines. We had to fight for the weekend. Yeah, yeah. And they're going, it's actually all feminists. So this is a pattern that I see occurring time and time again. And it happens on this podcast repeatedly. Now, not as extreme and not as explicit in the conclusions. But again, I think it's just as dangerous when you leave the audience with a question when you are the authority. You are the authority. You are there being interviewed. As the host, you are also partially an authority. And people look to you for answers. And you have power in that. It's one of the biggest podcasts in the world. And there is a missed opportunity throughout this entire podcast to hold men accountable at all. And I believe that is by design. I don't see any other way that you could have these conversations I'm about to talk about. And you don't give some examples where you hold men's feet to the fire a little bit. I think it is by design. I think it is intentional. And I also think there is intentionality when it comes to the clips that they choose to put on the internet. Because the clips they choose to put on the internet. And I've got a few that we can go through. All this kind of borderline red pill or red pill conversations said with the piano music underneath. And said in intellectual ways. And said in you know plausible deniability. And I don't think I really don't think Stephen Bartlett is an evil evil person. I really don't think that. But I think that this is a way to get clicks and engagement. Yeah. And I think that it is an easy way to get people to engage negatively. Because they go what the fuck is this. And also for men who feel seen my face content to engage positively. And they don't listen to the whole podcast. They don't listen to the context in which this conversation is happening. Because let me tell you fucking something. When you listen to the context in which this conversation is happening. It actually makes it much more understandable. It's still nothing. It's still like that's still dangerous to say. But when you have the context leading up to it. And when you hear them say things before and after these clips. It actually does dilute the red peeled them or the misogyny that's there. Because I don't think these men are maliciously misogynistic. But I think they have negligence. And I think in my opinion it just is a lazy way of doing podcasting and having a conversation about difficult topics in my opinion. Because it allows the people listening to not be challenged. And I'm going to give you some examples. So the podcast starts one of the podcasts with Dr. K starts with them having a D&M about a huge issue that needs to be addressed. And that is post-nut clarity. Post-nut clarity. Yeah, Oscar, have you experienced this? No, I don't think I have. I mean, you feel good after I think anyone would feel good, right? But I don't think you get this sort of clarity. The hell bump on apparently. Well, so men, men apparently experienced post-nut clarity. And women can too, where they have an orgasm. And then they have a drop in a certain hormone or an increase. And I don't fucking know some science. It is real. Where after you have sex, after you calm, you can feel disgusted by what you were doing. I've also heard on Dan Savage's podcast and do not quote me on this. But I heard someone say on Dan Savage's podcast that it also could be, there's speculation that it could be also because sex is inherently quite a gross thing. And it would have been really gross before we shout and stuff. That you're like gross receptors have to be turned off while you're rooting. And then when you come, you have this like shame, where you go, the fuck was that, right? So it's like this idea, because he was talking about it in the context of porn. Because this guy was talking about porn addiction, right? So the conversation is that porn addiction and I go, cool, great. Interesting conversation. He knows what he's talking about. He's talking about porn addiction and how to minimize porn addiction. He's saying, you know, don't use it as a crutch. Try and don't try and go call Turkey. We know for it. Da, da, da, da, da, da. Right? Valuable, valuable, valuable. Then they talk about how Steven Bartlett, he talks about one time when he had post-nut clarity when he was young. And he wanted to go and have sex with this girl. But she would live 55 minutes away. And I think he ended up wanking and then he said, and then I had post-nut clarity and was like, why was I going to go to have sex with this girl and drive an hour away when like, I just need to come, whatever. And then I'm talking about like, how people are driven by sexual desires. Which again, see how we go from fat biology, then we go to, okay, yeah. Like, sure, anecdotally, for your experience, that's how things go. Then they are talking about post-nut clarity and the negative effects that it could have. And they speak about how Steven goes, you know, when I speak to him and about it, they get offended. And they get quite upset because it feels like, you know, men objectifying women when they say that post-nut clarity makes them not really want to be around and they're not cuddling anymore, right? And he goes, you know, and he said, you know, and I understand why. And the doctor goes, yeah, and for a good reason, right? So they're agreeing that it does feel objectifying to women. Then Steven's going, yeah, and I think it's really important to be, I know it sounds really crude and I know it sounds really like objectifying, but we've got to be honest about these things to be able to fix them, okay? So you go, okay, how are we going to fix them? And so then, Dr. K says, and this is a quote that I've written out, he says, it's a psychological thing. I think the key thing about whether you're good or bad is the way you manage it. You have to understand what is happening in your brain in order to then willfully take a step back. He's, you know, saying that there's a good or bad way of managing it, right? Now, if this podcast was holding men's feet to the fire and even was going to give men any good advice, it's not even about like scolding them. If it was there to lead men into bettering their lives and to not hurting women, you would think that they would give some sort of prescriptive advice saying, you know, you can masturbate before you go and hang out with someone. If this, if you're talking about science and hormones, you can go, this would be a really good solution is to masturbate before you go hang out with people. It also could be a good idea to think about, I don't know, women as actual human beings. You could think about like empathy and even if you feel like you want to get up and lead, you could actually stay and communicate that and you could actually just maybe go to the bathroom and wash your face and then maybe that, well, I don't know. Here is my way to start this conversation to talk about how you're feeling. Yes, or here's some ways that you can even physiologically. You could do some breathing exercises. I don't know, but there is no solution given. All the solution is, well, it depends on how you handle it, it could be good or bad. So that then gives these men, they've heard that they're the victims because they have post-nut clarity, which by the way, Oscar has just said that not every man does and he and you are a gay guy. So you have insects with lots of men and lots of men. I think it also has to do with Madonna Hall complexes to be honest. Like if we're really getting down to the psychological element of it, this is just my opinion and my understanding. But I think if you're having sex with women and you are immediately disgusted, that is something that you need to have a therapy for. I understand that you can have a drop in your hormones and you can have a change in your hormones and it will change how you feel. But when I come, I want to go to sleep immediately. But you know what I do? I get back in that horny zone until Adam comes. Because usually I need to come two or three times and I'm exhausted. Okay? So I go, get back on that horse. He's making you come three times now. And I love it. And then I go, loving it again. Like after I come and go, I'm exhausted and I go, but he's still so hot. Keep on fucking me. You can change your mindset. There also isn't any advice like, if you've noticed yourself objectifying women, maybe you have a break from having sex with women and try and work on that and see where that comes from in your core. Because the way that they present it is a zoobiology is an excuse for everything. And there are good and bad ways. So we can't say that we're saying that men can do whatever they want. We just don't say what the good and bad ways are. We leave the audience to fill in the blanks. And this is not analysing like, where is this shame coming from? Exactly. They don't have any deeper thoughts. Even though he's the expert and we've got an hour and a half of this fucking podcast and they couldn't spare two minutes to talk about it. So that was the first topic. And I go, what an interesting pattern. I'm noticing I'm going, isn't this wild? The next topic is pornography addiction. And essentially, again, what he's saying is, you know, the reason why people seek out pornography and have addiction is it is addictive. And you can get what you want from, you can get your biological needs. You know, he says, as animals, our main goal is to procreate. So you see how we're going, oh, yeah. Cool. And also in episode, I don't know. I was pissing. In episode, the doctor goes, yeah, so he's the word procreate. And Stephen chimes and he goes, that means having kids. And I go, how dumb is your aura? Who are you? Because I don't even know what it means. I think he's a very intelligent person. You know, I'm on saying that he's an idiot, but I go, the fact that you felt you had to say what procreate means tells me that the audience is not really, they're not keeping up. So basically, he says, you know, there's a biological need to procreate. So again, we can agree with that, right? Then he says, you know, so porn is an easy outlet for men who are lonely or who don't have any sexual partners to get what they need. You know, because their main goal is to procreate. So their bodies want to come. So they, if they can't get human interaction, if they can't get everything that goes along with having a partner and having sex. If they can't get that, then they at least need to have the baseline need of having sex. He described it as like, you know, if you're starving and you have the option of nothing or having shitty a burger or something that you hate eating. You're going to eat the thing that you hate eating or something that's bad for you, right? Like, which again, the logic makes sense. So see, we went fact, borderline false equivalency, but still you can see where that person's coming from if the conclusion is correct. And then he finishes essentially by saying that they're seeking it out for a supplement for a relationship and the reason why men have porn addictions essentially is because they can't find women in real life and therefore we need to find men partners, mating crisis yet again. So yet again, the implication there is that it's women's fault and that because they aren't getting partners that not only are we responsible for the fact that they aren't getting children, we also are responsible for their pornography addictions because they're taking the crumbs they can get and they're then in an addictive cycle. And really, if they would have given a chance, they would be able to see the light. So just as a quick little example, this is the way they speak about it, right? So speaking about pornography addiction. But there is a fundamental societal issue which is driving men towards pornography and also addresses this kind of thing where relationships between men and women are getting harder. And as relationships between men and women are getting harder, there's a part of the brain, more often the male brain, that is getting starved for something because we no longer have sexual connections, emotional connections with women. And so. So do you see what I mean where it goes? Yeah. They're getting driven towards, again, as they are the victims, they have no autonomy. They are getting driven towards pornography. Again, if there is no evidence that men are experiencing loneliness at higher rates than women. So why aren't women having pornography addictions? Why aren't women having this post-night clarity? Oh, because of the biology. I mean, I don't know, not every woman doesn't have that and not everyone has it. Oscar feels great after he comes. You know why? I think he's going to have a deep-seated shame. I think because you're a normal person. And I was like, yeah, I've experienced it, but at parties where I'm off my head and having sex and go, "Whoa, why am I at this random house party having sex?" It's more about the environment going, "What are we doing? What are you? Who are you?" The shame is about, "Oh, fuck, we're in a bathroom and we're in a ward." You know what I mean? Like, things like that, totally. But I think the core of the shame derives from your natural shames. And Oscar has no shame in a bit of a route. And that's lovely. And that's what we need in life. Did you ever have any shame when you would mess about. Did you ever mess about it over women? Yeah. And did you have shame after that? You know, but I'd shame when I fucked women because I was like, "But internal shame, not about them." I wasn't like, "Ugh." Yes, yes. But yeah, that's actually a good. Similar, yeah, when I was in the closet, like when I was young, and you know, my friend similar, we were both the same. Like, you'd feel the shame. Again, it was the internal shame, obviously, because, yeah, you're in the closet, but not about the actual person or anything like that. That was probably it. Yeah. And they failed to mention that. They failed to speak about, "Well, where's the shame deriving from?" Again, you are a psychiatrist. Like, why aren't you saying there has to be an initial trigger. They're looking at things in such a basic way, and it all implies that women are driving men to porn. Women are driving men to do this. Women are denying men the right to have children. That's the implication, but it isn't said outwardly. That's the implication that I get from it anyway. So, then they speak about people who can't date, and it's very interesting the way that this is framed. It's quite a long clip. I may pause it, but they're talking about what Stephen would say to an 18-year-old that was having a hard time, right? It was an 18-year-old, and I came to you, and let's say I'm your nephew or something like that, and I'm like, Stephen fully formed adult, hence a man in relationship. I'm struggling to date. What should I do? You want me to give you advice? Yes, fuck. I think you should work on yourself. Especially as an 18-year-old man, because I think you need to, especially at that age, create some advantages. So, working on yourself could be. So, let's talk about that for a second. Good advice. See, this is what I don't think that Stephen Barlett is some maniacal. I don't think that he is a misogynist. I actually, maybe I'll be proven wrong, maybe I don't see enough. I don't think that he, I think, is in, I don't think that he is an outright malicious misogynist, but I think that he is pushing misogynistic narratives without realizing, and that could be too generous of me to say that. But I think that he is being honest when he says, "I think work on yourself, work on yourself, right?" But see, it's interesting the way in which these men speak about working on yourself, because this is what I speak about when I talk about men in the red pill monosphere, when they get further down the path in this podcast, when they get to much more in-city as podcasts. They are told constantly that they need to be a certain kind of person to be worthy of love, and they are kept in this cycle of victimhood and insecurity, because these men are the ones telling them that they are worthless, not the women. But these men are telling them and say, "Women think this about you, and no one is, and women do not think that about them." They have no life experience to even know if that's true or not, they're 18 years old. They have no one to see what women are actually like. The issue is they've been isolated by these forums, and then of course women don't like them, so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Where they go, "Well, I don't like you're a fucking widow, because you're saying this red pill she's gonna see, women do hate you, women don't care about you or care about what you think or how you feel." So I would say working on yourself is a great answer from Stephen Bartlett. Let's see what he expands. Lining, reading, going to the gym, building up the ability to provide for someone else and to protect somebody else. That's kind of really where I'd start, and again, that's biased because that's what I did at 18 years old. I think that's decent advice, right? I think it's to learn, to read, going to the gym, this is where I go. Guys, why are we upset? All these men think, "Okay, it's a pretty long screen recording, but all these men are obsessed with saying, "Well, we ask how women will like us, and we go to the gym, I don't give a fuck if you go to the gym." What the fuck? In fact, it's actually a turn off, because why are you, not going to the gym for an hour every day or whatever, but these like jacked 8% body fat freaks, sorry, you're not freaks, you're like, "But I go." But I go, "It's a lot of time, it's a lot of dedication. You're probably grumpy because you're probably hungry. You're probably on roids as well." You're trying to do this beauty standard that again, men are telling you what the beauty standard is. Women aren't into that. No woman that I know, and I know a lot of chooks. I know a lot of chooks in my fucking time. Never once have we sat around and go, "Eh, washboard abs." We've gone, "Wow, I love a man that can like, it's a trope to say I love a musician, or like a poet, or a man that like, "Oh no, at uni, he's doing, he's doing, I don't know, fine art or something." I guess visual art, miles, our beautiful camera operator, he did that, and he's happy in a relationship with a beautiful wife, and a beautiful child. So look, he won, you know why? Because he's interesting, okay? Because he worked on himself and got some interest. He didn't go to the gym, sorry. And you didn't go to the gym once in your life, and I'm not sure he did. But his focus was not that, it was being an interesting person, and I guess it wasn't even intentional. It would be, this is what I'm interested in. So I'm going to focus on that. Because he didn't have the import of other men telling him, "Go to the gym otherwise, chicks won't fucking like you!" Because there was another clip, one of the other clips that was sort of going viral, the people were talking about, was this guy, Chris Williamson, going on on Diorevis CEO, an ex-love island person, who now has one of, yeah. But now has one of those podcasts where it's like, has some stupid name, what's called like, I don't know, it's called like, something with the equivalent of like, fucking modern genius or something, shit like that. But, fucking socrates. He was also talking about all this like, self-improvement stuff. Modern wisdom, see? Someone who's called. Yeah. I imagine the shit you were sorry, but imagine the shit you would get if you called your podcast modern wisdom. I should call it that. I should call, we should change the title as an experiment to see. Yeah, modern wisdom. I mean, do a new segment. But the, you know, immediate chat about self-improvement in one of these episodes when I was going through bits of it was, you know, go to the gym, was immediately the first example. And when I think about men in my life who are either in really long-term relationships or have recently gotten into relationships or whatever, zero times has the number one changing factor being, or depending on fashion being, he went to the gym. Like, that's so true. Never happened in any of my friends ever. It hasn't been like, finally they went to the gym and then they got a relationship. They go, these men think women in the business world where it's like, I don't like him because he's, Amy showed me the clip before and they reference Skinny Fash, which Amy goes, what is this 2003? What the fuck is this? So funny, very good joke for Amy had to get on the record. Thank you. But like, they body shame each other. And they act as though women are walking around with a fucking little pincer to measure your body fat to go, what's underneath here? Sorry guys. ASLBMI. Yeah, they're going from the sky. I take you to the shopping centre. We're one of those things in the toilets where you pay a dollar and they go figuring out. Like women, that, like, that's never happened. I don't think anyone's gone, oh my god, and now he's jacked. If you're still a dickhead, you're still a dickhead. If you weren't a dickhead and you changed your body, then that would have been shining through anyway. Aren't men the ones that claim that they're the visual creatures? I think there's a bit of projection from them to be honest. Not from these two individuals, but from men in general going, they do care about bodies. They are vain and shallow in a way and see women as objects sometimes. I think that maybe they're putting that onto women, saying that women feel that way about them, and also they are being told this by the manosphere. They are being told that Jim is the way to make yourself better. That is not the case. I think in the list at Stephen Bartlett said, sure. I think, yeah, go to Jim. Was it also does help your brain function? It does make you more energetic. But that's not what they're talking about. They're not talking about health. Most of the time, what they're trying to communicate often with this is discipline. That's what they're trying to talk about. The only example they can use is going to the gym. You're doing this every day. You're working really hard, but it's like, you can actually be practicing the piano every day. Going out and then you get called a homophobic slow. Then you get called an F slow. Then you get called a Cuck because you're a musician. It's all tied up in masculinity, that the only way that you can be disciplined is by doing something that is working on yourself physically. It is really sad and they're trapping themselves in their own little cage and then blaming women. And what happens is they say, women only care about your body and your bank account. Women only care. And this is not what they're saying. I'm saying again, I'm further along, minus your podcast. Women only care about your body and your bank account. Body and bank account. No, we don't. We actually don't. Because we actually have their own jobs now. And they end up resenting women and going, you're a goldie guy. I go, sorry, darling. I'm not a lot of us. How much gold have you got? Let's be honest. Like you're sitting on the internet all day. Like let's be fucking real. So I'm just going to continue this clip. Because I do think it's really interesting how it continues. Doctor K's chiming in. So Steven just said, you know, reading, gym, learning. See that I also mentioned. I'll go to therapy though. Yeah, you could be disciplined with therapy. There's a thing whenever I mentioned therapy is on the internet from then they go, not all men can afford therapy. I go, oh, okay, but you can afford a bag every weekend at the pub. You can afford the creatine, the pre workout, the gym membership. Yeah. And the bag. And the bag. And you can afford to be stiff in ketamine festival with your passion meeting when you do a stick. You can afford to make you do a stick. You can afford to go to Los Paradise. But you can't afford to go to therapy once a week. I'm fine if you want to do that. I think of a fuck what you do with your body. But I do think it's interesting that everyone claims they can't afford to go to a therapist, but they're all doing fucking cocaine every fucking weekend. Isn't that interesting? That's not going to help your fucking mental state. Is it? That's why I fucking touch the shit. What the fuck? That's not going to help you in your life if you are going, oh yeah, I can't afford therapy. But boys, let's sit around and kick on until seven in the morning every Saturday thinking about podcast ideas. Sniffing off a fucking table. Go and yeah, no, no, no, that's so fucking. That's fucking junior smear. Go to bed at nine o'clock. Go for a walk for your mental health. Do a run without some music in and journal in the afternoon and maybe do a water color and then call a therapist. And that's only 169 dollars for a therapist. That's half a bag. Anyway, that's what I thought. I just know that this morning. I want to drive a go because whenever I post it, they'll get really mad at me. And even women are like, well, you're innocent. No, everyone can afford therapy. And I go, your boyfriend's doing coke every weekend. I'm sorry, genuinely, they are. They are. All these people who claim they can't afford to go to therapy are doing coke every fucking weekend. And at the same time, that the same kinds of say, I'm not going to give that person on the street any money because they could spend it on drugs. They're going through something. They need something to dial the pain. You live in pot's point. Fuck and get it together. You go, we're going to pitch street every fucking day. You're okay. Stop taking bags and go to therapy. Anyway, I'll continue with Dr. Kenny. I actually didn't. I think I've been on five dates in my entire life. Okay. So let's say I do that. Yeah. And it doesn't work. Yeah. Okay. So I'm like, hey, I'm on this growth journey. And I'm sure you've encountered this. And they're going to be people in the audience who are like the reason they're watching this podcast is because they're trying to do that. They're still not getting dates, right? It's still hard to find a girlfriend. Then what do you have to say to them? I find it really interesting the way this conversation is framed as though getting a girlfriend is an achievement, like getting a job or owning a house. That's right. This is not an achievement. You just don't want any girlfriend. And this is what again is really subtly worrying. And I think that the doctor has more of an idea of what he's doing with Stephen Bartlett, but that's just my feeling that you're saying that getting a girlfriend is the goal. A girlfriend, any girlfriend, I just want a woman around me. That is not the way that you should think about relationships. And I understand that, of course, both genders think about this and they do have this rhetoric. But when you become, I think you more have that rhetoric when you are 18 years old. What I would say to Adam's nieces, who I would say are my nieces as well now. The eldest is 11. If she's 18 and she came to me and she was like, I'm trying to date and I can't find a boyfriend. I go stop thinking about the boyfriend. The goal is not to have a boyfriend when you get older. You realize getting a boyfriend is not the goal. What you should do is put energy into your hobbies and your interests and to your girlfriends. And whatever's going to happen is going to happen. And if you don't find a partner, that's also okay. And maybe even better than being actually definitely better than being in the wrong relationship. That's what you should say. But these men reiterate and reinforce this idea that the only way that a man is valuable is by having a child, having a wife, having money and got a gym. And I just find it really, really concerning that this is the ideology that is being put on to men. And this is why this is kind of a gateway in my eyes, because this reinforces the idea that women are objects to be obtained. It is not that I like this person. If you are, if the question was, I have a crush on a girl and I'm trying to get her to come, she won't go out with me. And I don't know how to ask her out or something. That's a different conversation. That's about, well, why do you like her? Maybe you could ask her what hobbies is she have? Maybe you should ask her to go do an art class with you or you could go for a walk or you go to a movie that she likes or something like that. You could ask what she's reading. That would be an answer, but it isn't about a specific person. It's about the idea of obtaining a girlfriend that is so juvenile, to even have this conversation to be honest, the two grown men are sitting around having this conversation. It's so juvenile that I really do, I am suspect of this conversation, because I go, this feels intentional, because what grown adults, and Stephen Bartlett's been in a relationship for seven years, he knows better than this, like he's not, he's not an insell, he's not a loser, like he has his life together. Again, he's, I would say very intelligent, very successful. Why are we saying, well, go to Jim and read? I also think it's funny the way men say read. They're often doing these weird self-help books rather than reading things written by women or fiction, even read some fiction, because fiction actually is very interesting and informs a lot of life and it's interesting to talk about as well, going, I read this book about this thing. That's more interesting than the art of war. I'm going to be fucking honest. Adam told me about it last night, I just wanted to do a little reference there. Adam told me about it, but not in a man's way, guys. He was like, "Oh, you know, it's something." I'm like, "Yeah, I'm sure it's got value, because it's got value." But it's like, it's been around for this long. Yeah, and I think a lot of, I think I just worry about the idea that the goal is to get a girlfriend, any girlfriend, and then I'll be valuable, because that is again the insell rhetoric. This is insell rhetoric saying women are the goal. Getting women is a goal, also saying that having children is the goal, and also saying that essentially, well, implying you could derive from this conversation, that it's also the pornography addiction is no fault of your own. It's biological, and if anyone wants to blame, it's those driving you towards pornography addiction. We don't mention women, but we say there are people who are driving men towards pornography addiction. Because they don't have these factors. - That's just saying what it is. Yeah, in the same conversation we're talking about, if society should intervene, in the same conversation we're talking about post-night clarity. Well, it's real, but it depends how you handle it. No instruction. I'll contend to see what. So he says, "What if it doesn't work?" Well, if it doesn't work, then you say, "Well, you haven't found the right person yet, right? You'd be normal." I assume that the reason it's not working is because they're not in this frame of mind to find love. And when someone says, when a dude says, "I'm trying to do everything right," what is the most common response that they get? - A hotter or like. - Yeah, right? If you look at Twitter, what you'll find is people will be like, "It's impossible to find a good woman," and then men will be, let's say a dude says that, or a woman says that. It's on both sides. It's impossible to find a good man. And then people won't be like, "Yeah, it's impossible to find a good man." Maybe some people will be supportive, so you'll have a woman who says, "It's impossible to find a good man." There are a lot of people who are like, "Yeah, like men are trash." And then a lot of people will be like, "You're not trying hard enough, you're not going to the right places." That gets. We as men get that a lot more because there's a societal bias that men don't need help, right? Men get a lot more from other men. Again, this is other men telling them, "Just try harder. Go to Jim, go to Jim, bulk up." Would you say before creatine or whatever that? I don't know what these creatine is. Adam's got all these concoctions, but you know what? I never fucking hear about him. I never hear about him. He takes so many vitamin pills because he's touring and he's got to keep his immune system and he's all really strong. And I go, "I don't want to hear about it." And he doesn't want to talk about it. I don't care what potion you're doing in the cupboard. And this is where a fact comes in that is interestingly put. So we've got, again, we've got a scenario put forward. We have a reasonable-ish conversation because, yeah, exactly. Maybe you want the right frame of mind to find love. I don't know if that's, I would fully agree with that. But I understand, you know, okay, sure. Again, it's putting a bit of pressure on the individual. Then he randomly says this. If you look at like the comparison of scholarships, male-only scholarships versus female-only scholarships, there's about $4.9 billion worth of scholarships given out in the United States from private sources. Female scholarships outside of athletics are way higher than male scholarships. So if you look at athletics, the numbers way higher for men. What does it have to do with anything? Well, it has to do with the fact that men are told to try harder and men aren't given any sympathy when they're struggling. So then he goes to this. And again, cool, that's a start and that's a fact. How is that related? It's not. But it's peppering, again, the idea that many of the victims and men are hard done by. Right? So then he says, "We've got. " Sorry, there's just one more that I really, really wanted to talk about. Oh, here we go. Okay, it's about a minute and a half. I'll play it in four, then we'll discuss. All generation of men that is like, we are literally watching them die out in real. Bye-bye. Sorry. We've got 32-year-olds, 35-year-olds who do not have children, do not know how they're going to ever have children. Some people just put yourself out there, just work out, work on yourself, and things will work out. But they have something in their makeup, something in their attachment style, something in their tendency for social anxiety that allows them to put forth effort and succeed. And then there are these other people over here who will go to therapy, who will work on themselves professionally, who will show up on dating apps, and because of the shape of their face, which cannot be fundamentally altered, or some other thing which they're not even aware of. There's this whole crop of people who I think are trying really hard. I don't think they're losers, I don't think they're like pathetic or anything like that. I think there's something about the architecture of how these people are built, so that standard advice does not apply to them. I almost wonder, is there a mechanism in a human being that if your genes know they're dying out, what would they trigger in your mind? And I think what they would trigger is exactly what we're seeing. This like existential panic, angst, even aggression, entitlement, because if these men do not behave in this way, they're literally going to die out. No, they're not. They're not going to die out. They're not having a gun to their head. They're actually just not going to be able to reproduce. Also, if all of you are so fucking desperate to be fucking fathers, you could foster a child, you could adopt a child, you could do any of those things, but what you want is your genes. And he's saying that there is an existential threat that these men are literally dying out. That is not true. That's eugenics. And also, what do you mean they're dying out? Oh, they can feel they're dying out. If you're desperate to have children by you, you know who's desperate for you to make children, sperm banks. If you want to know that your children are out there running around, sperm banks are desperate for donations, and you'll know in your little heart that there are more of you running around. If that's what you want, if that's all you want is to have children by yourself and you don't have a partner, go and give to a sperm bank, and then if you want to be a father, if you want to be a parent, you can actually adopt a child or foster a child, but I actually wouldn't trust anyone that has this sort of mentality to take care of a child, but if you're also desperate for it, fucking go for it. I also think it's interesting the way that he says, there are some people, see how again it's this victim mentality. It's this, well, I can't help. It's something about how they're wired. It's something about the way that their face is shaped. First of all, men, news, flash, you're allowed to get plastic surgery. If you all hate your face so fucking much, and if you're saying, I can't do anything to fundamentally change your face. As though women haven't been pressured into changing their faces and getting plastic surgery by the media for fucking ever, and then also simultaneously ridiculed for it, but it's not the conversation. Men, you're allowed to get a nose job if you want. You can get a chin implant, you can get jaw implants, you can get a facelift. If you want to, your hair plugs, you can get threads, you can get Botox, you can get filler. You can do all of those things. You can do all those things. It costs money, it costs time, it is painful, it is exhausting. But welcome to my world. You can put a makeup if you want. You can put a makeup. You can do your hair differently. You can go to a barber once a week. You can dress differently. You can go to the gym if you really want to. You can change your face. You can do washer every night, you can get a new face, you can, you can pin your face up, you can go get skin needling, you can go and get laser, you can go and get some and sperm into your fucking face like we do. You can go into all these things, but no, that isn't mentioned. There's no way to change your face. Yes, there is also again, how many men do you know that it's because of my face? I know heaps of men who have this face, this man is talking about in theory, and because they're interesting and cool and sexy, well they are sexy because they're interesting and cool and they're well read and they're like male beauty standards. What face do they think is the ideal beauty standard for a man? Even when we look at Hollywood, there is such diversity of what the ideal man is. If you look at the sexiest man alive every year, it tends to be someone that looks different from the last year. Of course, there are common features like a strong jawline, whatever, but not always, not always. Do you know how many people went off to Tim Curry in Rocky Horror Picture Show? Me? At least one. Would you get posted on clarity after that? Never. Never. Just played it again. How do you do I? I hear that. He's Tim Curry, the most conventional attractive man in the world. No, well he is, but these men wouldn't say he was a giga-chad or whatever the hell they're calling it. Mum taught me that word, by the way, Mum takes you outside. She goes, "I'm pissing myself laughing. They're talking about giga-chads on YouTube. I can't stop laughing." She goes, "They're doing this looks-maxing. Oh, it's hideous. Oh, it's hideous." I go, "Yeah, we should get Mum in to talk about these things." But so, in summary, I think it's. If you guys want more episodes about this, I think it actually is more interesting than men's rights, right? Because men's rights when it is funny, but I think this is an interesting conversation in recognizing patterns in the way that people speak about these things, in the way that this subtle misogyny is really pervasive. It does get the most clicks, and it does get the most engagement, because both ends of the spectrum are engaging, and they either agree with it or disagreeing with it. Of course, I think these podcasts are going to get increasingly more red-pillar-lined or implying that. Or the clips they shoot, yeah, go. I was just going to say, or it's just whether this podcast itself might just stay the same level of whatever neutrality. The danger is, like, we know how quickly young men can be pushed into far-right pipelines, or conservative pipelines, or these dangerous in-cell pipelines, from places like this. It doesn't take long. Yeah, it does not, and even their algorithms can be straight there. If they interact with that or like a comment that is misogynistic, then their whole algorithm is fucked. The thumbnails that you see, it's really not far from the really, really alarmist content that you see. The thumbnails for the die of CEO content are very like, "Here's this one trick that will help you." Or like, "Here's how keto changes your brain," and they're teetering on the edge. There was a BBC investigation that showed that they had made multiple false or misleading health claims that went against scientific evidence. I've seen the health claim once, and I go, "Scroll." I go, "I don't fucking want to borrow this." But when we should go into it more, just because I think it's interesting, and I think the way that this logic plays out on this podcast. If you listen to it, I would say go and listen to it, and let me know. Comment on this on the post, or DM me, or tag me in stories, or do TikToks or whatever. I want to see your thoughts, and if you recognize this pattern, because I feel like I'm a little bit, I was saying when I came in, I'm like full-blown-conspir- I feel like I'm seeing something that no one else is seeing. You feel the red string are? Yeah, I'm going guys, because everyone's ever saying it's outright misogyny, or it's completely fine. I'm like, "No, no, no, no, it's actually worse than both of those things." It's actually like a really scary, because when you're listening to it as well, the podcast is titled, "What men are getting, there's issues with men or something, is the title, is something extreme right?" A couple of the episodes that he's done, Dr. K. We are producing millions of lonely, addicted purposes, men and women. Okay. But also, there is a crisis going on with men. We've produced millions of lonely, addicted males, and then the other one, this group of men are slowly going extinct. Yes, oh god, as other than the Neanderthals. I mean, borderline. No, actually Neanderthals don't deserve that. Again, I've been watching a lot of evolution stuff in Neanderthals. Actually, we're incredibly intelligent, and they don't deserve to be compared to these men who are going extinct. Okay, sorry to Neanderthals. I've got some Neanderthal DNA, all of us do in this room. So thank you to the Neanderthals for rooting the Homo sapiens. Anyway, that's the summary. I wish I'd gone for longer, but we've been going for an hour and a half, and I feel like I'm turning into. So I oversee you. So, I don't think it's the worst podcast in the world. I really don't think it's evil, but I do think it is incredibly irresponsible. And I also think that it is a missed opportunity to capture an audience and give them genuinely helpful life advice as well. And this is the other thing, is that it isn't giving them any advice. It isn't helping these men that do need help, that are maybe on the cusp, that aren't red pill, that just want to know how to date, that are about 18-year-old example that they give, how do I date? And essentially the answer is, nothing will work, you're a fugo. And there's no hope, so go and wank into your computer. All right, guys, let me know what you think. I would love to see you speak about this, because I love all my little chukilalas. All right, one. It's a lot, isn't it? [Music] Listen up.