Speaker 1Welcome to the Dr. Obedovinga Day Podcast. Dr. Obed is a thought leader and apologist who speaks to life's great existential questions of origin, purpose, faith, and destiny with fluency and grace. He is an author and the president of the Christ Cosmopolitan Incorporated, a vibrant apostolic commission that heralds the message of the fullness of Christ. Dr. Obed has seen his ministry soar to great heights over several years, touching the lives of many across the globe through his various ministry platforms. May you grow in grace and the knowledge of Christ as you listen to mind-renewing and heart-enlightening messages by Dr. Obed. Do enjoy this teaching. God bless you.
Speaker 2Get it, get it. Christ alone, if it is salvation. Now hear this. Then now, the Catholics also claim it cannot be sola fide. No, no, no, no, no, no. It can't be only faith. Because the Bible talks about faith and works. Faith for salvation works for the church life. It cannot be to the glory of God alone. It is the glory of God alone in salvation. But, it cannot be to the glory of God alone in the glorious church. Because we are glorified together. We are glorified together. That's what the Bible says. That's what Paul actually says. Go back to the Pauline epistles. That we may be glorified together. That he is coming to be admired in the saints. And the heirs, heirs of God, join us with Christ. It so be that we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified together. So it can be God alone glorified. It is we and God glorified together in the church. But for salvation, God alone. In the church, we and God. For salvation, faith alone. In the church, faith and works. For salvation, Bible alone. In the church, Bible and tradition. What is the tradition? Read. Keeping the feasts. Keeping the paradoxes. Then, to the glory of God alone. No. Angels are part of the glory of God. We must give honor to whom honor is due. Pastors are part of the glory of God. Men are part of the glory of God. In church life, the woman cannot speak as much as the man. In salvation, we are looking at grace. In the church life, we are looking at glory. So if you never see glory and you are always seeing grace. So can you imagine when I spoke about grace and glory. People, what is grace and glory? Because you know where they are coming from. The theology is limited to Protestant theology. That is only looking at the salvific work. But different of the church life. The Bible says, When he shall come to be glorified in his saints. To be admired in all of them that believe. Because our testimony among you was believed in that day. As if that is true. That is not enough. Now watch the last one. The Catholics claim. Venerations and sacraments are very important. I am not telling you what we stand for and believe as a church. I am just telling you history. So that we can go forward. In the edification. Christ and sacraments. As instruments of his blood. So you realize that. Those who go in that Protestant formation. They now begin to talk against Baptism. They will speak against Communion. They will speak against oil. Don't you get it? Because. They are just stuck in that box. But the Catholic says. The Communion is the body of Christ. When you eat it. You are eating the actual body. And they would even go to the extent of telling you. It is transubstantiated. The very body of Christ. You should be aware. That it is not bread. Once it has been blessed. And made holy. It is more than that. The sacraments. The Catholics will tell you. You see, watch here. There is a time to pray. Protestants don't have a time to pray. So somebody will tell you. The 12 am prayers are nothing. You should get where they are coming from. You see. Something is informing the theology. The mindset. Incense is nothing. The Catholic said. Who born you? Incense is nothing. The traditions of the church. Incense is nothing. Incense is something. The authority of the church to establish. Sacraments. Ordinances. Rules. Affecting the church life. And that is not only faith. It is faith. Prayers. Grace. Hymnals. Liturgy. All of this must come together. In the church life. You should be aware. In the church life. Then now let's go to one more group of people. They are the people I love. I think I am of their stock. I love them. The Eastern Orthodox Church. Watch here. Watch here. Watch here. Watch here. Whereas the Protestants are Western. So that is how come everyday I have been saying. Westernized theology. I mean Protestants and Catholics. Because. Because the Catholics are also. Now there is one group of people. They are called the Eastern Orthodox Church. They believe in theosis. What is theosis? They believed. Now watch here. In Protestant theology you are saved. You are on your own. But in Eastern Orthodox theology. They were the ones that. They emphasized participation. Divine oneness. Synergy. So when you hear. People also speaking. And talking about. The oneness of God. The synergistic effect. Of God and his people. That divine participation. That when a person is saved. He becomes a divine being. Is from Eastern Orthodox theology. Because the Eastern Orthodox theology. Were mistakes. They believed. In the mystical. Aspect of theology. And Christianity. The mystical. Eastern Orthodox theology. Emphasized participation. And for them. They claim that. Scripture with the ecumenical. Councils. Liturgy. Spiritual practices. And directions. They believed. Not just. Scripture with tradition. Scripture, tradition. Prophetism. Ecumenical councils. Liturgy. Spiritual songs. Eastern Orthodox. Now listen to what they say. And it creates a lot of confusion. In the minds of people. The Eastern Orthodox says that. The Bible came out of the church. The church didn't come out of the Bible. The church existed before the Bible. And that the Bible is. Hear this. Hear this. Canon. Of scripture. Not scripture of canon. The Bible as we have it. Is the canon of scripture. Not the scripture of canon. What do they mean by that? That there were the scriptures. The Tanakh. The New Testament. Having a book. Called the New Testament. The Old Testament. The church existed before that was gotten. And that Jesus Christ. And all the other disciples. Along with Paul. The church existed. Before we got the Bible. And that in canonization. It came 300 years. After the church was born. So when the church was born. church existed 300 years they were not using anything called the new testament bible eastern orthodox church and they are not refuting the bible they are saying that for us to use the bible we have to agree to magisterium of the catholic church because and these are hard questions protestants will have to agree to because if you don't agree to magisterium you cannot have an ecumenical council then the only scripture you can use will be the tanakh and you can't come into the new testament and yet they are the loudest on the new testament always what is the new testament saying the new testament yet they have kicked against the magisterium and the magisterium simply means the authority of the church to establish rules and order canon so actually when you look at the matter it is neither here nor there it is not with the catholics it is not with the protestants it is not with the eastern orthodox church church it is with paul it is with paul go and read paul and do what paul is saying just read paul so when you see handkerchiefs and aprons take it from the body of paul that is the church tradition that is what we should do if you want to establish a church tradition that is what we should do if you want to establish a church tradition that is what we should do by the architectural principles of the church paul so if you want to say something else where did jesus and paul do this not apostolic reformation the reformers didn't do this they were short-sighted they only spoke about salvation they didn't touch on their church life and the colleagues who were touching on it stretched of course and that needed the protestants of course and to date present catholic theologians agree to what the protestants are saying in principle they do they do they do agree they are not fighting anybody they agree don't we have catholic charismatic renewal you should understand there has been evolution so don't brand the as if there are some evil people dead people who are against martin luther the church has gone beyond that age because of what apostolic succession if you use tradition you'll match somebody down and the church can so evolve to the extent that they would have come through apostolic succession agreeing to a lot of the reforms that is coming and you are still there judging them with tradition that's how i love calypso and for your information me myself i'm a laborer so i'm minding my business does that mean that i can't talk against listen once the thing is against christ and paul then we attack it but if we find it important we find it with christ what the colleagues are doing is it of paul is it of christ i'm done what the protesters are doing is it exhaustive no church is exhaustive let's attack that one now i didn't say less under i want to attack that one there is not one church that is exhausting why there is no church that is exhausting if you were exhausted would have achieved the bride which church is exhausting not one because he's only coming for a glorious church without spot or wrinkle once there is a spot and there's a wrinkle he's not appearing he's not showing up so whatever you preach so we all come in the unity of the faith who is the one talking paul how can you a plumber you came to plumb and you say you're finished with the building electrician finished with the building carpenter finished with the building because we roofed church since we roofed this building have we finished but you realize that after we roofed things have become a little slow or you have not seen it there are times in your building you get somewhere you realize that my main to me was a car when you go and see somebody digging foundation the rate actually they go up a roof when they finish and you come to the beautification that's where you smell pepper you realize that one money like this that you use to raise a thousand or three thousand blocks will only buy 50 tiles it just swallows it up like that then you know that charlie charlie that thing is not so we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the son of god unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the full-time church and the knowledge of the son of god and the knowledge of the son of god the fullness of christ paul pauline episode pauline episode thank god for the reformers thank god for the charismatics thank god for the pentecostals if only they were here in the positive sense thank god for the evangelicals but none of them is architect we are all messians doing our specific work within the building structure let's finalize on the eastern orthodox church the eastern orthodox church very interesting people that faith means being one with god in the unity of the faith oneness with god in his faith the faith of god the faith of our lord jesus christ it means being one with god not just a faith that says i am saved you are saved but it is the beginning of your faith it is not the complete faith it's in orthodox church what then was grace he said the grace of god has appeared unto woman teaching us so grace does not end with us being saved it teaches us in the church life that what we should abstain from all unrighteousness so that is participative transformation in grace it's an orthodox church what are they saying about symbols that they are expressions and extensions of christ not a substitute but a compliment and should not be removed nor replaced but to compliment so communion is a compliment to christ feet washing is a compliment to christ because he said if i don't wash your feet you have no part in me and now that i've done this you to go and do it to others apostolic succession and that in the glory of god they believed in the veneration of the doxology and honor of all god's workers what were god's workers angels holy spirit are you seeing where these are coming in of all god's workers man abafujuma who whom juma nininara yajitu is still not on our church spirit beings now i'm going to ask a very simple question does it really look like the present methodist church is completely protestant can't you get it they have not only reformed they have had apostolic succession they have not only reformed they have had apostolic succession they have not only reformed the cali church apostolic succession if you like go the last time i was having a conversation with one key assemblies of god pastor one of their key leaders and i realized that the assemblies of god today is not the assemblies of god and new at all so much has changed even in their governance so much has changed what do you think even the church of pentacles you see because of apostolic succession no duku duku because of apostolic succession if we want a church that is vibrant i want you to know that what we stand for as a church today 50 years to come in apostolic succession one person will come and stand in my shoes and commit to you the traditions the paradoxes according to the revelation he's had of the pauline epistles and christ and when he brings it let's embrace it let's embrace it don't say pastor man didn't teach us like that you're crazy that is tradition pastor man yes i'm not sure yet yes i'm not sure when you say when he's speaking say can you show us where it is with the pauline epistles and the christological framework can you show us anything just show us why because we understand apostolic succession but if you limit church to historical christianity you will never go anywhere and there will be no evolution and for your information the church members are there bragging and rapping your voice on them they only come to your church on their own on their own on their own when they have issues that doesn't fit into your solar scriptura and your solar feeding All these things that you are telling them not to do It will shock you that the church member who is sitting there He has used a bifonku when he was coming to church Even one of your pastors has used a bifonku Why must we be open to this? CCI Can I talk to you? From today you will understand why I say I am not a protestant I am not a catholic I am not a Pentecostal I am not a charismatic Those definitions keep us in tradition I belong to apostolic succession of Paul and Jesus And all the apostolic fathers in succession to where we are now Thank you Thank you Do I agree with Martin Luther once he agrees with Paul? Do I agree with John Calvin once he agrees with Paul? Do I agree with Dr. Mason Tabo once he agrees with Paul? Do I agree with Archbishop Duncan Williams once he agrees with Paul? Do I care about names? No, there is only two names I care about Jesus and Paul Can I talk to you? No, no, can I talk to you? Do you know that even demons recognize? apostolic succession Jesus I know Paul I know who are you? Who are you? Bishop who are you? Cardinal who are you? Pope who are you? Pastor Obed who are you? Pastor Reginald who are you? Who are you? As a somebody who are you? Who who who is known? Jesus I know. Paul I know. Who are you? Tiasio Tiasio. So last scriptura. Sometimes when we are talking then we come. He the Holy Spirit is not enough. In your scriptura where's the Holy Spirit? Until you come to the Eastern Orthodox Church. They are the ones that live in the veneration of all God's workers. Do you agree that Holy Spirit is God's worker? No no no no no. Holy Spirit is not God's worker. Holy Spirit is God. Yes he is. But you sing songs like I live in the spirit till your work on earth is done. You believe that? You don't believe Holy Spirit is a worker? What is the Holy Spirit supposed to do? To teach us? To remind us of the things that Jesus said? Today whenever you hear anybody don't fight the person. So last scriptura only scripture as a person under what framework? You'll be shocked. The person doesn't even know what he's saying. All I know is Bible alone. Under what framework? Is there any framework for the Bible alone? My brother can we have some conversation? Can we have some conversation? No no no no no no no. You cannot read anything apart from the Bible. But the pastor has written a book and he's selling it. Sola scriptura plus your pastor's Bible. Why your pastor's Bible? I'm talking about your pastor's book. Look at the Bible. Look at the Bible. Look at the books that these charismatics have written. Yeah they will start here and say "Sola scriptura. Sola scriptura." Then now Sola fide. Sola fide. Faith alone. It is faith alone. We don't need anything. We don't need any oil. We don't need oil. Yet you, you didn't use oil. You use paracetamol. You don't know that paracetamol was also gotten from trees equally as oil is gotten from trees. You don't know it was Jesus who said the parable of the good Samaritan when he met a guy that was wounded he poured oil and wine into his wounds. Friend, no need to fight. CCI, no need to fight. Stick to Jesus and Paul. Whatever Reformation doesn't agree with these two pillars. Forget it. And it must not be one sided. Salvation and the church life. All men saved. All men saved. All men saved. And come to the knowledge of the truth. Give Jesus a hand.
Speaker 3If you have a question. Come and ask. I'm here. Yes. Come. Put a chair. People are already coming. Beautiful. Come and ask.
Speaker 2So the Eastern Orthodox Church will say. We believe. That the unfolding of the church. Is the unfolding of the work of the Holy Spirit. In the church life. And this includes prayers. Liturgy. Worship. Hymnals. Spiritual practices. Meditation. Anything that connects us to spirit. Is part of the edification. Of the church. And they claim they also believe in theosis. When people don't get us. As a church. We know we are not. Only tilted towards. Neither are we tilted towards. Easternized theology. We are tilted towards only two. Christ. And Paul. Listen. Anything you say. Must agree with Christ. And Paul. If it's not Christ and Paul. CCI. We don't want it. So you can't come and be rapping your mouth on us. When did Jesus do this? I'm also asking. When did Paul do it? If Jesus didn't do it. And Paul did it. We agree. Why? Do you have a problem with our church? Are you the owner of our church? If you have some correction. Bring it on. But don't say anything that you cannot explain yourself. Give Jesus another round of applause. Thank you, Father. Beautiful. Let me hear from you.
Speaker 4Shalom, Pastor. Shalom, Church. Shalom. I must say I have thoroughly enjoyed the service today. The enlightenment has been so great. Give Jesus a hand. A lot of things. So Daddy, during the introductory aspect of your presentation, I got to understand the place of Jesus as the builder of the church, the place of Paul, and then the place of everyone. We all participate in the church building. So Paul says that everyone should take heed. How he builds. Yeah, how he builds on the foundation. But then again, I also got to appreciate Jesus not only as the builder, but then as the owner. Yes. And then Paul being the master builder. The wise master builder. The architect. And I also got to understand the place of everyone in apostolic succession. Good. But then everyone is also building. Yes. So please, could you help my understanding as to the definitive position of Christ as a builder, the definitive position of Paul as a builder, and then everyone in apostolic succession as a builder.
Speaker 2All right. Very simple. Ephesians chapter 4. You will see right now.
Speaker 4Yes, please. Let's
Speaker 2start from verse 10. Read it for me. He that descended. He that descended. Who is he? You will be answering the questions for me.
Speaker 4The Lord Jesus.
Speaker 5Okay. Is the same. Also that ascended up far above all heavens. Who is he?
Speaker 4The Lord Jesus.
Speaker 2In reference to the stones, he that descended is who?
Speaker 4The Lord Jesus.
Speaker 2In reference to the stone, what kind of stone is he that descended?
Speaker 4The foundation stone.
Speaker 2What kind of foundation? Very simple. What kind of foundation is in the descent?
Speaker 4The rock. The rock.
Speaker 2Sharp. Carry on. That he might fill all things. So from the rock all the way. What are we? What are we?
Speaker 4building? The church.
Speaker 2And what is it for? feeling who is feeling all things
Speaker 4the lord jesus christ christ all right christ he's the one feeling
Speaker 2all things yes all right carry on 12 and
Speaker 5he gave some apostles
Speaker 2hold on he gave some apostles yes who are these ones are they foundational apostles are they wise master um apostles or they are laboring apostles they're laboring apostles they are all foundational apostles he gave it is jesus who gave us the foundational apostles yes please it is jesus who gave us the wise master apostle who is paul yes and it is jesus who has also given churches today apostles prophets teachers evangelists so they are laboring apostles or laboring apostles apostles okay so that what carry on for the perfecting of the saints did you see that yes please the saints must be perfected for what purpose for the
Speaker 5work of the ministry
Speaker 2for the work of the ministry so there is a work every saint must do it's called ministry yes please for what again for
Speaker 5the edifying of the body of
Speaker 2christ for historical christology or is for edificational
Speaker 4christology for both in which
Speaker 2same same things explain
Speaker 4so in historical things explain so in historical things explain so in historical christology they all had a role to play in christology they all had a role to play in christology they all had a role to play in building the church to where we are today
Speaker 3building the church to where we are today
Speaker 4building the church to where we are today carry on and then in the edification too carry on and then in the edification too carry on and then in the edification too they have a role in they have a role in they have a role in sending us to where we have to be no you
Speaker 2sending us to where we have to be no you sending us to where we have to be no you missed something missed something missed something okay in historical christology yes there okay in historical christology yes there okay in historical christology yes there was edification was edification was edification but that was the
Speaker 4but that was the but that was the the foundation
Speaker 2and that the foundation the foundation and that the foundation the foundation and that the foundation defined what defined what defined what pastor brenna you're right pastor brenna you're right pastor brenna you're right helping the alignment the alignment helping the alignment the alignment helping the alignment the alignment okay so when we look at historical okay so when we look at historical okay so when we look at historical christianity we are looking at the christianity we are looking at the christianity we are looking at the alignment yes please all right alignment yes please all right alignment yes please all right have you ever seen the building before have you ever seen the building before have you ever seen the building before yes the profile defines the alignment yes the profile defines the alignment yes the profile defines the alignment how we are going to go up yes please we how we are going to go up yes please we how we are going to go up yes please we cannot build outside of the profile cannot build outside of the profile cannot build outside of the profile yes please everything will be within the yes please everything will be within the yes please everything will be within the profile the alignment profile the alignment profile the alignment but the edification will be going from but the edification will be going from but the edification will be going from grassroots all the way grassroots all the way grassroots all the way to the roof do you understand yes all to the roof do you understand yes all to the roof do you understand yes all right so he said for the edifying of right so he said for the edifying of right so he said for the edifying of the body of christ the body of christ
Speaker 5the body of christ till we all come in the unity of the till we all come in the unity of the till we all come in the unity of the faith unity of the faith faith unity of the faith faith unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the son of god
Speaker 2and of the knowledge of the son of god and of the knowledge of the son of god who whose knowledge are we after the
Speaker 4who whose knowledge are we after the who whose knowledge are we after the knowledge of the son of god
Speaker 5knowledge of the son of god knowledge of the son of god onto a perfect man this is that this is
Speaker 2onto a perfect man this is that this is onto a perfect man this is that this is the reason why we do church the reason why we do church the reason why we do church it's not because of tradition it's it's not because of tradition it's it's not because of tradition it's because of edification onto who a because of edification onto who a because of edification onto who a perfect man
Speaker 5perfect man perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the unto the measure of the stature of the unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of christ fullness of christ
Speaker 2fullness of christ because christ must feel everything because christ must feel everything because christ must feel everything everything case closed when you everything case closed when you everything case closed when you understand this understand this understand this you will never be against any church or you will never be against any church or you will never be against any church or for any church you will be concerned about is christ in you will be concerned about is christ in you will be concerned about is christ in it is christ in this if christ is in it then it must cause edification if it's then it must cause edification if it's then it must cause edification if it's causing edification it's a master's causing edification it's a master's causing edification it's a master's business business business i thank god for your life i thank god for your life i thank god for your life i celebrate that there are christians i celebrate that there are christians i celebrate that there are christians sharing the good news of the gospel of sharing the good news of the gospel of sharing the good news of the gospel of jesus christ jesus christ jesus christ but i'm not happy that that is all we do but i'm not happy that that is all we do but i'm not happy that that is all we do we must bring men to the knowledge we must bring men to the knowledge we must bring men to the knowledge of the truth and who is the truth of the truth and who is the truth of the truth and who is the truth christ christ is the truth yes please christ christ is the truth yes please christ christ is the truth yes please all right i hope i've answered you yes
Speaker 4all right i hope i've answered you yes all right i hope i've answered you yes please
Speaker 2please please all right or anyway you are not settled
Speaker 4all right or anyway you are not settled all right or anyway you are not settled please i am settled please i am settled please i am settled like the plan line is that we are all like the plan line is that we are all like the plan line is that we are all going into the structure of the mission i going into the structure of the mission i going into the structure of the mission i can't hear you the plan line is that we can't hear you the plan line is that we are all going into the measure of the are all going into the measure of the are all going into the measure of the structure of the fullness of christ and structure of the fullness of christ and structure of the fullness of christ and into the perfect man he intends us to be into the perfect man he intends us to be into the perfect man he intends us to be yes no matter whatever our contribution yes no matter whatever our contribution yes no matter whatever our contribution is we all have a specific part to play is we all have a specific part to play is we all have a specific part to
Speaker 2play yes yes please so that everybody can see yes yes please so that everybody can see yes yes please so that everybody can see christ and contribute to christ yes please christ and contribute to christ yes please christ and contribute to christ yes please and give christ away so if i'm and give christ away so if i'm and give christ away so if i'm feeding you i must be giving you christ feeding you i must be giving you christ feeding you i must be giving you christ if i'm contributing to you i must be if i'm contributing to you i must be if i'm contributing to you i must be contributing christ that is what is contributing christ that is what is contributing christ that is what is important important important do you get it
Speaker 4now yes please perfectly do you get it now yes please perfectly do you get it now yes please perfectly now yes please all right thank you very now yes please all right thank you very now yes please all
Speaker 2right thank you very much
Speaker 3thank you jesus
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