The podcast features a heartfelt conversation between longtime fans and artists about the evolution of music, listening habits, and creative expression. The guests reflect on how early rap culture, particularly through groups like "y'all," introduced them to a raw, authentic style rooted in real-life experiences and vivid storytelling. They emphasize the value of physical media—vinyl, CDs, and tapes—as a return to tangible, immersive music that fosters deeper connection. The discussion explores how streaming has disrupted music consumption, reducing emotional engagement and turning listening into passive, algorithm-driven habits. The artists argue that true artistry thrives in authenticity, as seen in Prodigy’s use of deep-cut slang and Bodie James’ storytelling that feels like a lived reality. They critique the music industry’s outdated structures, like remix deals and label demands, which often prioritize commercialism over artistic integrity. The conversation also highlights how music has become a form of cultural storytelling, where fans now seek real narratives over manufactured content. Ultimately, the hosts advocate for a return to meaningful, personal listening—where music is lived with, not just scrolled through—emphasizing that the best art emerges from authenticity, lived experience, and human connection.
Y'all what the fuck is up welcome to my favorite lyrics podcast where we talk about music lyrics
except for when we talk about other stuff and today we've got some very special guests uh they
honestly i didn't i'm just meeting y'all y'all one of my favorite groups when i was coming up
when i was in high school i remember i remember seeing y'all's shit on myspace for the first time
and really was like yeah this is for me the space man you feel me yeah that was where it all started
you feel me welcome to the show the cool kids thank you yeah yeah i appreciate y'all mikey chuck
thanks for having us man yeah yeah i appreciate y'all pulling up man how y'all uh how's your time
been in new york so far it's been good man just been uh working working uh gone fishing re-release
you know um mixtape that we made in about 2009 with don cannon we decided to bring it back in
physical form put it on dsps now make vinyls cds tapes and the whole nine so we've just
been out here uh you know working that release and doing some promo we did some uh signings and
stuff at barnes and noble yeah you know uh i had a couple other interviews and podcasts to hit so
you know just grinding it out just been running around wait i'm trying to see i'm trying to look
back through going fishing because i like i specifically remember when this one came out
because it was like yeah it was like in the spring i remember this yeah man this was the hammer bros
specifically i remember the production on that being like i don't think i've ever heard anything
like this before that was you really you know what i'm saying i just want to give you all flowers you
know thank you yeah appreciate it you know what i'm saying i really feel like uh you you brought
something that i had never really heard of before you know what i'm saying y'all really had jaws on
style you had your own flavor you know and i really you know i'm a big appreciator thank you
man you know of everything that y'all been that y'all been up to i mean tell me tell me about y'all
hot top fade which just dropped uh last year yeah last october yeah yeah tell me about uh tell me
about like where you where you feel like you want to go next or like where you feel like you want to
move from um it's a good question i think next is the most important word just just next yeah
you know what i mean like building a catalog that's worth keeping collecting
you know kind of like how star wars is yeah um you know having a little bit
more fun with our imagination um experimentation with sounds yeah you know most people say they're
in the kitchen are they cooking or whatever in the lab but are you you know so that's kind of
how i think about it like i'm really putting some scientific you know science like chemical
reactions yeah you know what i mean like what does this go with this does this go with this
you know like what am i talking about today so
i felt like with high top fade it was a really good reintroduction
not that it's we ever gone anywhere but you know from a special edition of grandmaster luxe to
before she got weird you know before she got weird came out during covet i don't think as
many people caught on to it as much as i would have liked but i'm cool with that because
if people go back and catch it yeah it's going to be like it's going to change them the way we
intended it to yeah
and now i'm more focused instead of trying to catch everybody's attention just what's next
let's do what's next yeah and they'll find us i'm not tripping on them me finding them anymore yeah
the covet of it all was really interesting because like i feel like there's a lot of
projects that came out that were really quality during that period of time but i feel like i don't
know if y'all agree with this but i feel like so much of what helps me appreciate music is like
living to it yeah you know what i'm saying it's like really like you gotta really you can't just
listen to it just like it has to happen outside you know what i'm saying you gotta like you gotta
hear it on at a party you gotta hear it while you're driving around you gotta hear it when you
like it's gotta be a part of your life you know what i mean you gotta like live with it right yeah
and uh i feel like it was hard because we weren't really like living lives nobody was living so you
know what i'm saying it was a weird time i was actually like i know we romanticized you know
not having to like do too much and all that yeah that was terrible it was terrible it scrambled a
lot of people's brains yeah i think a lot of people are still fried from that because it's like we never had
an experience of no freedom like that and and and the experience of like uncertainty in that way
yeah and it hit everybody at the same time kind of kind of you know kind of hard and i think that uh
we're still seeing the effects today because people still like people kind of weird you know
people kind of like still scramble bro like the world never went back to like that base level of
like normalcy bro like people are still got some money that's what that's what that's what the
game up yeah what yeah that money was crazy yeah you got it and i didn't i didn't run up nothing i
ain't never had to worry about coming and look for me for running up a ppp too much i got exactly
i got exactly what was getting you know what i'm saying right right you got what you got
i got a couple partners and and people that i know that know other people yeah they never
in their life they ran it up 210 grand people gonna come looking man look
some of them is in jail yeah that's what i was like it feels like enough time has passed they
probably probably in theory the prices was low and people had money yeah the crabs was losing
their legs for sure them didn't have no legs yeah it was it was a fest on the crabs man the
crabs was under attack under the crabs was in trouble
each boy his legs was under the rest
yeah man so there's it's just it's tough to like try to release something during that time bro like
that was nobody knew what was really about to happen or how long this was gonna last
so everybody of course was just still putting out their music as usual and trying to just you know
keep it normal man but like if i would have uh known that it would have extended
as long as it did covet and the effects um
yeah maybe i would have held off a little bit on that one you know what i mean yeah i think i
thought personally that it would have ended quicker i thought like you know the lot we thought it's
gonna be like we thought it's gonna be like six weeks whatever you know what i'm saying
maybe a little bit extra and then just ever lie to me like that
outside even when it was like it's over and it's back open and how weird everything was when they
were trying to like reopen that was like a whole another year and a half during lockdown i wasn't um
we did a lot of it together man we went to vegas to work we worked out there for a minute okay we
went to palm springs worked out there for a minute it would have been nice um yeah because the
restrictions was like like you can go to the grocery store without your mask on yeah not that
i was smart but you know it's just a little lighter nobody hold us now no puff daddy i mean
i'm i'm curious about like you're talking about putting out music during the pandemic how much
thought do you think goes into like the timing of like like the actual like time of the year
that y'all put the album out in like some people i know are like oh i'm putting this out for the
summer how much do y'all i used to think that matters it doesn't matter bro no no it can you
know what i'm saying but it really it it can but you know like the day of the week it matters you
know the time of the month matters but like trying to catch a summer album you to catch a summer
album that gotta come out like in april right right right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
people can sit with it for reality yeah yeah it's not coming out in the sun you're not releasing it
in the summer sure sure to be a summer you gotta let it load up yeah it has to be like
familiar by the time summer hits so people are already into it and familiar with it like it
can't be brand new as the summer is starting and then it's a summer album it's gotta already be
a part of the part of this you gotta take into account this ain't this ain't the golden era
where people bought cds and everybody was listening to it at the same time because you wouldn't buy a
cd and then not listen to it that day right now an album can come out you know you can listen to it
when you can got time to get to it yeah so even your fans or whatever that's why streams are kind
of a scam because now i got the freedom to listen to it when i got time but that makes it look like
you're not getting my listen you know what i'm saying like so in my opinion it's it's whenever
you feel it's like if you got an art gallery or if you got a um some sort of uh kind of an art gallery
um some sort of you know art display it don't matter when you have the gallery opening yeah
people just gonna come to look at it like feels like it's the right time for them yeah so it's
like the world's changed a little bit and now you can kind of make up your own rule
but it's got to be specific to you just trying to chase around people like that when they're
not really that responsive it'll stress you out yeah i think we got good at not doing that yeah i
mean i think there's a certain like level of respect that i have for people who are just like
all right like i see i see what everybody's doing i see what y'all want me to do but like
i'm gonna do it this way i'm gonna do it the way that like feels right to me because they
just gonna talk about you anyway you feel me so or they gonna like it so it's two things
because now you know albums are being listened to on streamer stream and all you're doing is watching
a whole bunch of texts and binary codes come up and it feels very strange to me that should be
a music stream it's definitely crazy that makes me feel old but i'm just like i got a nephew that's
13 and he'll be like so obsessed with this premier music do a stream is crazy yeah that's asinine and
the streamer is like y'all not popping on the kaisenat stream to do it to do a dance when the
song pop up
To me, it's stuff like that.
Like, I understand the world that he brings speed, all of them.
But at a certain point, you got to be like, you know, it's not my style.
Yeah.
I can't go on nothing I don't watch.
You know, like, I watch podcasts.
I watch, like, music coverage.
I watch, like, Questlove shit.
You know, I watch a lot of sports stuff.
So, chasing, you know, an audience that ain't even checking for you is guillotine.
It's a quick way to die.
Yeah, it's pretty terrible, man.
It's a terrible way to die.
Well, because then when you're swinging in a direction that, like, you don't even want to be swinging in,
and then you miss doing the thing that you didn't even like.
Man, people have been doing that on these streams, though.
I've been seeing artists clip their knees, you know, by trying to go on there and be like,
yo, how many followers you got?
A million.
Oh, I got to go on there.
I want a million followers to see me.
Like, everybody.
Everybody got to this level of thirst that we haven't had before now that music is starting to, like,
music is taking a turn, and they're, you know, trying to, like, deprioritize it.
Streaming has already, you know, cannibalized a lot of people's sales and a lot of the money in music.
So, it's like everybody looking for, like, oh, what do I do?
What do I do now?
What do I do now?
And everybody's like, streamers, they're making a bunch of money.
We got to go over there.
Hurry up.
We got to go over there and get some clout.
So, everybody.
It's kind of like tripping over each other's feet to go to these streams, and they be looking crazy, bro.
I be seeing, like, people, and it's not an ageist thing, but, like, it's rappers that be older than me going on, like, you know,
20-year-old guy streams, and you looking wild just because, like, there's no sort of, like, connection between you and this platform.
You're doing something that's not.
The people that are watching you, they're not connecting with you.
You're not really connecting with the streamer like that.
Because you're not supposed to be over there.
You're not supposed to be there.
That's not where you're supposed to be.
And the thing that they meet in the middle on is celebrity.
Like, oh, you're a celebrity?
Am I a celebrity, too?
Okay, then we can both do something because we're both celebrities.
But that's not enough no more, especially with the kids that are watching stuff now.
Like, they have a very big appetite for content and shows and entertainment.
So, they kind of already sniff out when you're trying to promo something or when you're trying to make some money.
They're like, nope, we don't want it.
We want you to hurt yourself, make us laugh, tell us how to get girls.
Uh-huh.
Or sell us.
Don't tell us.
Or don't tell us how to get girls.
Tell us how to not get girls.
I don't know.
The way that I think young kids are learning how to get girls feels.
No, look, because the thing about all of that is if you see the end game of it.
You know, like, when I would buy a CD.
Like, for example, when Blueprint came out, I'm in high school.
No, I don't go get it because it's 9-11 that day.
And I skip school because I didn't feel good.
And then didn't even get to sleep through that motherfucker because my grandmother calls me.
I'm like, we got attacked.
I'm like, oh, my God.
You skipped school on 9-11?
No, I didn't skip school.
I was a, you know, pretty decent student.
And I didn't ask my parents to not go to school.
I was trying to get through that shit so I could get, you know, get the fuck on.
I didn't want to have to make up no classes or nothing.
But, you know, I played football.
And I had a good game the weekend before that.
Yeah, what'd you play?
Wide receiver and corner.
I was kind of like a hybrid linebacker.
Wide receiver, running back.
But what happened was this was a cold game.
Like, it was, you know, fall.
But it was like probably 48 degrees and raining.
So every catch I was getting, I'm banging my fingers up.
I got dirt up my nose, all sorts of shit.
So I just asked my mom, like, yo, that was, I had a good game.
They was fucking with it.
They was like, yeah, you want to sleep in?
Sleep in.
So I slept in.
I can't even sleep in.
I can't even fucking sleep in.
Because 9-11 happened.
Now you're going to war.
But that was just a backstory for, like, because my plan was to go to school that day and get the Jay-Z album.
And then when I get to school and, you know, the black table where we always talking, you know, rapping, all that shit.
I wanted to be ahead of the conversation.
That's what it was then.
Like, you listen to it because you wanted to listen to it.
And there was impact from it.
Like, you didn't just set it down after that.
Like, you know, like.
It was like you said, you also had a physical thing.
Yeah.
And you're just not skipping through, like, you know, the music being on your phone and you got infinite skips.
Yeah.
That's not good for the human brain.
Because it's just like, like how they do with mice.
If you keep on giving small rewards, like, why the fuck would they stop?
Why would they stop and enjoy it if there's another piece of cheese coming?
Yeah.
Fuck this cheese.
Where's the next cheese at?
And it's hard to sit with it, too, because it's like.
There's more cheese.
You know what I'm saying?
I've had situations.
There's a lot of cheese.
It's tight, but there's more cheese.
A lot of cheese.
And that's what big tech did to music.
And they knew it.
They knew what the fuck they was doing.
Of course.
So it's not really like, you know, I don't think that music and streaming and all that is a good marriage.
I think it's a terrible marriage.
What do you think?
Do you think there's like a version?
Do you think there's a version that feels better for the artists that we can.
Yes.
There was one way to do things.
Like, it's one way to make spaghetti.
It's one way to do plumbing.
It's one way to do electricity.
It's one way to make spaghetti.
Noodles and muffins.
I hear what you're saying.
You know what I mean?
The combination.
You can't.
There's only.
Like going and taking your ingredients and making it in the bathtub.
That shit don't make no sense, dude.
Right.
Okay.
So what I'm saying is there's only one way to listen to music.
Through speakers.
Off something that it was copied to or printed to that was mixed that way.
Like, you can watch movies on the back of an Escalade, but that shit, that's not tight.
So my thing is.
Exhibit would beg to differ.
He had a lot of people trying to.
And look at, look at all that shit.
And he did.
TV and anything.
He didn't put a TV in your ass.
He don't pay attention.
That nigga put a, uh, uh, uh, uh, IV drip in one of them girls.
Yeah, because she was a nurse.
He put a fucking operator table.
I see you always dehydrated and sick.
So we threw the IV drip in the back of the Kia Sportage, man.
We got you, baby.
Yeah, we see.
I've seen.
But look how, Pimp My Ride, they have a documentary on how bad that shit was.
Oh, really?
Do they have a follow up on it?
It's like winning the lottery.
Everybody, everybody that had got their carpet out is fucked up.
Yeah, it ruined their lives, bro.
Because it's like you just put 30 fish in the back of my fucking Kia Forte.
Yeah, ruining people's lives, dog.
Now I got, now I'm responsible for all these damn fish.
I don't know how to fucking take care of that.
They didn't think that all the way through.
They did not.
So that's what I'm saying.
I think the future.
Put lawnmowers in people's trucks and all types of helicopter propellers inside of your trunk.
You put a fucking pizza oven in my engine.
Yeah, it's a GameCube coming out the dashboard.
Like, yeah, it's trouble.
It's shit.
I'm just, I'm just trying.
I'm trying to go to my job at the state.
It's catfish grease here.
And your boss seeing your car, your boss like, was that a cheetah in the back of your Jaguar?
Yeah, there's a fucking iguana crawling out of your tires.
Oh, you're a friar, bro.
You can't work here no more.
Yeah, it's ruining lives.
You got your oil chains with catfish, with catfish grease.
Because it's a, it's a deep fryer in the back of your shit.
You got a deep fryer in the trunk.
Because he heard you wanted to make a wing spot.
Yeah, he heard you like chicken wings.
So we decided to throw a whole deep fryer in your trunk, man.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's what I feel like.
It's, I think.
And the original way, you know, CD tapes, vinyls, building your own, you know, digital
collection, it's, it's going to be rediscovered.
Because not every, everybody's going to not feel cool about the fact that everybody's
doing the same thing.
I'm watching, you know, my nieces and nephews figure that out on their own.
They be in class like talking about Led Zeppelin and shit.
And then come to school and be at the. The school table trying to stunt on their little friends with the knowledge that they
just discovered that you can't just have.
It's not on TikTok.
This song don't exist over here.
It's not popular right now.
It's not trending.
Popular is going to be the worst thing you could do in like the next four or five years.
This is, these generations are like, they're starting to like rapidly separate, if you
know what I mean.
Like they're separating in, I guess, all their characteristics now.
So like Gen Z and. Millennials like myself and him and probably all of us in this room, we all got our characteristics,
you know what I mean?
And like he was saying, I'm seeing like the smaller kids or the Gen Alpha kids and stuff,
it's like they're kind of circling back to where like art was when it was like really
exciting in our like generation, you know?
I feel like we came in into music at a very exploratory period, I think it was like almost
like a renaissance.
It was a renaissance of like people excited about music again and finding new music and
the internet was helping that and like blogs and stuff were helping that and it was just
a level of discovery that was new to everybody at the time and I feel like that has kind
of been pushed to the wayside a little bit over the past 10, 12 years because of streaming,
you know, streaming and all the things that come with that and I do see like things kind
of run a course though, man.
I saw iTunes come and go.
I saw CDs come and go.
I saw, shit, we was on the Rapsody platform, you know what I mean?
That was our biggest big commercial that kicked off a lot of us, but that was a music platform,
a technology that came and it went.
Rob Markman: Even the other Rapsody came and go.
Rob Markman: Right.
Stuff come and go.
So it's like I'm curious to see like what this is going to lead to next, you know?
I see people are getting into like a lot more physical media now, like it's becoming really
cool to have physical stuff now, you know?
Rob Markman: Do y'all have a lot of physicals?
Yeah.
I collect a lot of records.
Rob Markman: The only thing I don't think we got is. Before shit got weird
Which we are going to change that
But like I said
COVID was happening
I don't think
You know
It was hard to find
A good print press
I was asking like
If y'all listen to
Other people's music
Oh yeah
I got a collection
I got my
Yeah I've been a big collector
I'm a DJ too
Yeah I mean you strike me
As somebody who kind of got
Young and everything
And I buy
I buy what I want to listen to
You know like
I go to see movies
Ain't nobody going to
Shake me off my square
And then I'm walking around
Acting fake depressed
Because ain't shit cracking
When shit's cracking
I take my black ass outside
Physical makes
It makes music feel fun again though
You know
Even though it's not like
The practical solution
To listen to music
Because like obviously
You can't carry your vinyl around
And listen to it all the time
Yeah you can pull up
An mp3 on your phone
What can you do
You know what I mean
They making boom boxes again
Oh for real
You walking in Best Buy
They got
Best Buy's getting
Best Buy's with everything
Prioritized again
Because it's making it fun again
You can buy tape
It's got a CD player in it
Some of them got a 45
Oh shit
They making them
Them entertainment centers
Like your grandmother used to have
Where we had a TV
With the record on top of it
Yeah
Yeah I got a buddy that has one
They putting flat screens in those now
Instead of just putting it on the wall
Like
And
I knew this was going to happen
But it's a
It's a good reaction
Like now they got
Just TVs with nothing
Right
And ain't got no plug
And ain't got no nothing
Right
No buttons on it
Yeah
Oh man like
Just screen
Just screen
And then
The TV I got at my house
I straight up one time
I was like
I couldn't find the remote
I was like
Wait I don't
I can't turn this off
You can't even operate it
I can't like
For real I cannot do
Ain't no buttons
No I can't do nothing to it
And you know like
They used to have
TVs with the CD
And the VHS in it
That's true
You could really watch movies
Yeah
Now you gotta
Find your Roku remote
Which I know you lost
Yeah
And
Your Wi-Fi gotta be set up
Your Wi-Fi gotta be jumping
Yeah
Your Wi-Fi gotta be going crazy
Because
So much data
Is used on these streaming man
And then you gotta sign in
And then you gotta
Find the profile
You gotta remember
Your password
You gotta set up a
No and
Man I'm at the crib
And we
Thought we was being smart
And
Got the
The fire stick
With all the
Different streaming apps
On them and shit
That's the worst thing
You could ever do
Because it's like
They're gonna take you to jail
And you're going to
And you're going to jail
You're gonna crack
Fire stick
They're gonna take you
Hey man
You're gonna be in there
With the PPP loan guys
Right
It's me and the PPP loan guys
Don't omit that on camera
All types of fraud
Tell them you bought
Your fire stick
Tell them people
Hey yeah
I bought it
I purchased it
I mean we did purchase it
But like
You know
This is the world
We live in now man
Like it's just
A billion
Different streaming apps now
So we trying to find
Like one show
Like we trying to watch
From or something man
I'm like man
Where from at man
It's like
Oh I gotta go
Search for it on here
Nope they ain't got it yet
Oh I'll go search for it
On this
Oh they ain't got it
I'm like dog
I'd rather pay for cable man
Like this shit
Honestly when they put
I'd rather
Just bring cable
Just bring cable back
Go ahead
Give me my 200 channel
I got nine apps
I got nine different apps
That I pay for
Yeah I only watch one
Some of them don't work
And when they put
Sports on Tubi
It's a duh
I swear to god
I'm never changing
Some of them don't work
They gonna start putting
Some sports on Tubi
It's not gonna be
The sports you wanna see
It's even tough
To watch the game now
The game don't even come on
Like regular TV
YouTube won't let me
Watch the world cup
Talking about
Oh you ain't in LA right now
I'm like bitch
I paid y'all $99 a month
Don't get fucked up
It's crazy
They said it's local
He said you can watch it
At the crib
But don't you go outside
And watch it
Especially like
We all travel
We go on the road
Tubi
When you be on the road
Trying to
Tubi if you're listening
We know that you are
Hey you already know
How I feel about you baby
Let's go
Tapping with Chuck
Yeah for real Tubi
Tapping with Chuck
He trying to
He trying to make some shit
Hey Tubi or not Tubi
That's my
That's my
You know
Take that and run with it
Nah they gonna have to
Meet up with us
For real
I wanna shoot a
Low budget film
On Tubi
High budget film
Fuck it
Oh I like the low
I like the low budget qualities
That's the bread and butter
Over there man
That's the good stuff
Have you thought about
What the film's about
Oh plenty of them man
Plenty of ideas
One of our
Maybe like
Uncle type of vibe
A dad friend
Type of vibe
Yeah
He struggling to
Take the block back
You know
He get out of jail
Or something
And he fell off
Oh he trying to
Take the block over
Yeah he fell off
It's a street movie
Yeah it's an old street
Old street
Low budget
Oh yeah yeah yeah
Low budget street
It's like a new guy
There's a new guy
On the block
Who's kind of
Got it cracking
Yeah yeah yeah
He gotta figure out
How to take him down
Yeah he gotta figure that out
Low budget
You know what I mean
Real
Real
Real janky camera work
I wanna see if I get
Martin Lawrence
For one of my movies
Okay
Oh yeah
Yeah yeah yeah
See yeah
It's all type of
Spectrums on too
But you get some
High brow
You get some low brow
You know
Whatever your flavor
Did y'all ever think
About doing any kind of
Like duo
Like buddy comedy
Type thing
Nah we wrote
Yeah we've been
Writing shit for
12 years
Writing stuff
So we
We got so much shit
We just need
We just need
One of our
One of our
Angel investor friends
In the world
To believe
One of them billionaires
That's about to go to jail
To believe in
What we about to do
Cause we got movies
We got brands
We got clothing designs
We got
Techno
We got furniture ideas
And all type of shit bro
It's just like
Once we meet up with
Whoever I'm thinking of
In my head
We're gonna do it
We're gonna meet up
With this person
You got a rich homie
In mind
Nah
I don't even know
Who it is
I don't know who it is
But it's
You know he's out there
Somewhere
He's coming
He's gonna be here
Yeah cause he's spending
His money on dumb shit
Right now
Yeah he's out there
And we're gonna link up
And then we're gonna
Open up this
Emporium of
Cool kids
He just bought
A yacht
For one of his side businesses
He got a baby with
He's trying to hide
Yeah yeah
And then before
The news come out
I'm like bro
Just give us the money
We're gonna tell
I'll talk to her first
Yeah yeah yeah
He's paying for new titties
Not even that
It's past that
Okay that's already
We've already
He bought her a boat
The titties was already on her
Child support coming now
Yeah yeah
Real child support
Now you're on child support
A child support trust
If you're a wealthy man
And you found yourself
Caught up in a situation
1-800
Call the call
Call the cool kids
Call the cool kids
If you're looking for a place
To park that
Two trillion dollars
That you just made
Come on over here
And reach out to the cool kids
Wander with the cool kids
And some of our businesses
Before everybody
Luigi's your ass
Speak on it
That's coming next
Speak on it
Stop doing bad stuff
Start investing in the cool kids
Stop doing bad stuff
No I know
I know that there is
There's a cool
Billionaire somewhere
In the world
Cause when you think about
How billionaires used to be
Back in the day
They used to be kinda cool
Like they'll build a library
Yeah
They'll build the highways
Yeah
Museums
Museums
Put everybody in school
Right
Cause they wanted to flex
It's like our billionaires
Now kinda got a little lame man
They don't wanna flex
On each other no more
They just wanna flex
On the poor people
Yeah
Which is like
No you're supposed to flex
On other billionaires
By doing cool stuff
For the world
Not flex on the poor people
Or they're just trying
To go to space
Fuck you trying
To go to space for
I don't know what anybody
Ain't nobody
I never wanted to be in space
There's nothing up there
There's nothing up there
That I need to be involved
I'm gonna tell you
What's gonna happen
Flex on the other billionaires
Bro like don't flex
On a dude with a job
Don't do that
You're gonna go to Mars right
Yeah
You're gonna get off
That motherfucker
Yeah
It ain't no Uber
Who the fuck
About to pick you up
There's nothing fun
You can't even walk
Ain't nothing to eat
You can't breathe
The air is
You can't get fresh
What are you looking for up there
The game is for sure
Not coming on
No no no
Ain't no dominoes
YouTube TV don't work at all
At all
No not on Mars
Your cell phone don't work
Nah you can't do nothing
You can't do shit
And it took you two years
To get there
Now I get why Katy Perry
Only went up there
For like 15 minutes
Shit ain't go up there
Space
I'm gonna break
I'm gonna be
Real with y'all
Space is the biggest
Scam of all time
Space is ass
Space is ass bro
Space sucks
Space is a scam
Space is a scam bro
What the fuck
You wanna go there for
This is why it's a scam bro
This is why it's a scam
We damn near
Haven't really
Even been there yet
We always claim
We've been to the moon
And all these other things
I don't even wanna
Get into all that
But like
The amount of time
The amount of time
And space and distance
That it takes to get
To any of these places
It's useless for us
To try this
Like we're never
Going to Mars
Like it literally
Would take
Hundreds of like
Human years
To fly there
You're gonna be dead
Unless you do a little
Hyper freeze in space
That's what you gotta do
Whatever you try to do
To make it there
But then if you
You're human body
But you're gonna wake up
And now there's an alien
On the ship
Or you're gonna
You know what I'm saying
Now there's diseases
That you drew on you
While you were asleep
Like you're dead
Now you're trying to
Take one of your arms off
And you're gonna get off
That ship
And you're gonna be
Like the little car wash nigga
That be just flying
Now you're big and floaty
You ain't even gonna
Be able to walk
And they said
Space smells like
Burning garbage
They said it smelled like
Just a smoky garbage
Yeah they said
That's what it smells like
If you can smell in space
It smells like
Burning garbage
Like that's what
The air atmosphere
We don't need to go there
It ain't nothing up there
I won't be going
The sub
Hey that little submarine
Couldn't even go down
In the ocean
How the fuck
Did you go up to space
Right we can't even see
What's in the bottom
Of the lake yet
They did get in the ocean
They got two in the ocean
They got down here
They got down here
Like a balloon
Oh yeah
They popped
They not supposed to be
As far down as they
The niggas went out
Like a coke can
Yeah it's also like
No we can't go past
Antartica
How are we supposed
To be going to space
I'm about to stay right here
My arm's working
You know what I'm saying
The air is right here
It's up my nose
This was made for us
You know what I'm saying
This wood and fire
And air and grass here
And water and shit
But nigga we got cherries
I just bought some cherries
Yesterday
You know what I'm saying
Pineapples
We got pineapples
They don't got that in space
They don't got no pineapples
It rains
Bangles
It rains freezing diamonds
On Saturn
On the planet Saturn
Freezing diamonds
Is that true
They'll slice your shit up
It just rains freezing diamonds
Like what you gonna do with that
You gonna get icy
You can't
You can't live there
Not in the Gucci way
You know what I mean
It's gonna be a bad ice
It's not so icy boys at all
Yeah that's why I'm like
We gotta stay here
Cause there's nowhere else
For us to go bro
We can't go nowhere
They didn't design it for that
And if you ever took
Some psychedelics
And looked up at the sky
You like
Man that shit ain't real
You're like that's for them
That's for them
We took acid one time
And seen the clouds
Turn into ice cubes
Did we not
It's for the God
From today
It was a good day
From the video
He had the hat on
And all that
Yeah
Yeah and a little light
Through the hat
So it looked like
The light
The logo was on it.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm dead ass serious.
I believe.
Right there.
I believe.
So we don't need to go nowhere.
We don't.
Chuck, can I ask you something?
Yeah.
I follow you on Twitter.
Okay.
Start with that.
You just got to start with that one.
This is day two of this shit.
Start with that.
Didn't they say that yesterday?
Yeah.
All right.
All right, what's the next question?
Right, now where does it go?
You be beefing with niggas on a daily basis.
Beefing on a daily basis?
Beefs?
Yes.
You be going back and forth with people pretty regularly.
I pick and choose.
You be going back and forth with people on a regular basis.
It surprised me because when I listen to y'all's music, the music is, it's no smoke in the
songs.
Well, the going back and forth that you catch, I know it's a bot.
I'm just letting niggas know, hey, play with something safe.
Got you.
And I'm not arguing.
I'm just like, bitch, shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up.
Bots.
Yeah, the bot game is different now.
But most of the things I say is hilarious until somebody tries to be like, well, actually,
they're like, bitch, shut the fuck up.
And you will be telling people that.
I'll tell you to your face.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the beautiful part about it.
No, this is about keeping Twitter safe.
Anybody that's ever seen me say something, yeah, we got to keep Twitter.
Keep Twitter fun.
Keep Twitter safe.
Because you be going back and forth.
You ain't heard him.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, he be cutting into shit.
People be trying to ruin, they trying to ruin Twitter and turn it into something that I
didn't initially sign up for.
And I'm not letting them change my.
I'm not letting them change my.
Experience of Twitter.
I'm on Twitter for the laughs and to see some cool shit and have some fun.
Probably talk about some music or something else I'm into.
And that's that.
I'm not, we're not about to do all this bickering and fighting that they tried to turn Twitter
into now and all of this rage baiting and all of this vague posting and weird shit.
Everybody's just trying to get their four cents from their engagement checks, man.
It's like.
They don't even pay no more.
I never even got it.
Because I'm like, I don't, I just didn't even want to give them an idea.
All cyber guys was like $168.
Okay.
And was that like.
Was that like a huge, was that like a huge tweet?
I think I go play every once a week.
That probably was a tweet.
That probably was a tweet with like 20 million views.
And they probably gave them a hundred.
Yeah.
That's the, that's the scale though.
They don't pay you well on there.
That's not worth it.
No.
Yeah.
And that's why I be seeing people on there every day just like getting rage baits and
arguing with people.
Just say the wildest shit.
I'm like, bro, you about to get two cents for that, bro.
It's like you need, you need $80 that bad.
You just threw your cortisol through the roof.
You know, you about to have a heart attack at 29 because of all the stress you under.
It's a.
Rage baiting people every day.
It's a thing that I like, uh, that I find myself like explaining to people who are like
younger.
Like I said, I have like teenage, like nieces and nephews and I'm like, man, like, which
I don't realize the internet used to be like actually a fun place.
Yeah.
It's not.
Now it's like a place to go get stressed out.
Like there was a time where it was like, oh, you would be like, oh, what are my friends
up to?
Right.
I would be happy to go see my MySpace messages after school or something.
Oh, come on.
Come on.
Get on the computer and be like, damn, what's up?
You and somebody's top eight now.
Right.
Like it was, it was a positive, cheerful place, man.
But now it's just like, I literally get rage.
I'm ready for war when I'm going on the internet.
Cause I'm like, I'm not going to let none of these motherfuckers talk to me crazy.
We not about to argue about this and that.
Y'all not about to trick me into something and rage bait me.
Like you got to prepare for war when you going on to these socials.
Now, if I'm about to post on Instagram, I'm like, all right, let's line up the line up
every picture and put the, put the reels together and make sure that the carousel works.
Cause if I don't post it at five 29, then it's going to get fucked up.
And it's like, dog, this social media ratio, right?
It's.
It's war now.
It used to be fun, man, but it's, it's just war now.
And, um, I want to, I want to turn it back into fun.
Like it used to be, man.
But the algorithm, the algorithm ain't going to be your friend, but fuck it.
Yeah, kick some shit over.
You know?
I mean, I mean, y'all, I mean, this has been a good conversation.
We having a good time, but, uh, y'all brought some lyrics for us.
Of course.
That y'all want to dive into.
And I want to get into these lyrics, uh, you know, while we got time.
So there was a song that both of y'all wanted to talk about.
So I'm going to pull that up first.
Oh yeah.
Because y'all was both into this one.
Okay.
So what, what, what are we supposed to speak on why this is our favorite?
Are we just bringing them to.
Usually.
We're just bringing the light to.
Just, yeah.
You can bring like something you appreciate about it or like a bar that really stood out
to you.
Something that felt really like, oh, like this went crazy when he said that.
Or a lot of times on this, it's a lot of like people.
I'll stop.
I'll stop before he hops on the BQE.
Uh, yeah.
Let's say we got guns in the grass.
It's three at night.
I'm about to take the last swallow of the easiest Jesus.
That's E&J.
Who got 50 on the next tree.
I got to stop at the store to get D batteries for the theme music.
So Prodigy to me was always setting a scene and he didn't, like as an author, it wasn't
so literal that you was bored.
So to me, you know what I'm saying?
East side Detroit shit.
I don't really know how New York works, but off that I'm like, oh shit, we in Queens.
Yeah.
Oh, they had guns in the grass.
Yeah.
They need this.
Yeah.
Like they've been trapping all day and all they need is some weed and they ran out.
Do you know rappers never run out of weed on their songs?
Right.
It's always a win.
Nobody ever got a cop.
Yeah.
They never, it's never, uh, they never take losses.
So he said, uh, who got 50 on the next tree?
Got to stop at the store.
We need three D batteries for the theme music.
We took our, uh, what'd he say?
He took it.
What out the, um, what's right after that?
For the theme music.
Grab the biscuits from out the lawn.
So the guns they stashed, they just picked them back up.
Yeah.
He say, Hey, fuck a cab.
Let's take cracked out Yolanda sob.
I gave that bitch two wibbles.
Wibbles.
Wibbles is crack rocks.
I just learned something new.
So this nigga just rented, he rented the car for, for crack.
Right.
So he could hop on a BQE.
He's bartering.
Yeah.
Community system.
Everybody wins.
Yeah.
So when I hear it, it's like when we rap that, I'm like, you can't get more creative than
that.
Yeah.
Then he said, when I sparked a sequel, my niggas got lungs.
When we smoked, that bitch only go around once.
And if you ever been in the cypher and smoked a blunt and you rolled it and it was your
weed and when you got it back, it was no more weed.
That shit's deep.
Real, real, real shit.
How you gonna take over from there?
I'm trying to see.
You kind of danced all around.
No, I'm not.
Then we got an, oh.
Yeah.
You at the BQE.
You said.
Skated off in a bitch.
He said.
Outside the borough.
Done what happened to Queens.
Got something in one, two, one.
Farmers in 116.
They got us on the BQE just to get a taste of that greenery.
Took a smoke out the Coney Island.
Posted up by the Himalaya.
Call it a champagne.
That's St. Ives or Dunn lingo.
All right, I'm gonna stop right there.
Yeah.
Okay.
What is, what's always crazy about Prodigy is like, he would put you on to so much deep
cut slang, you know.
Wibbles.
Wibbles.
The BQE, I just found out, that's the real train.
Like, real, what is it?
The Brooklyn Queens Express?
Yeah.
The St. Ives.
You know, obviously, y'all all know what the St. Ives is.
Do they even still sell St. Ives?
That shit gone out.
St. Ives.
St. Ives.
Malt liquor.
Do they still sell it?
That shit gone.
It's probably somewhere.
But yeah, man.
Like, Prodigy has just put you on so much deep cut slang, man.
And they kind of created a language themselves.
Dunn lingo.
The Dunn lingo was real, bro.
Like.
I remember being in, like, sixth, seventh grade.
Yeah.
Trying to, like, decipher Dunn lingo with, like, my sister boyfriend.
Like, because he was one of the dudes that put me on Prodigy heavy.
So, we would be just trying to break down, like, what the fuck is he saying right now?
Like, what are the, what does this word mean?
What does this word mean?
Like, they kind of came up with a language of their own, man.
And the history behind it is they had a homie that had a speech impediment.
So, the Dunn lingo was because the nigga couldn't say son.
Like, what up, Dunn?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
He couldn't do his T-H's and S's.
So, he swapped it out.
I don't know the nigga, but I think, I'm pretty sure that's, all great things are created
in an accident.
Yeah, true.
You know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, man.
But, yeah, this whole verse is just an exhibition in slang creation, storytelling, man.
Yeah.
Really creative writing.
Slang creation.
Descriptive writing, man.
Visuals.
Like, it just.
It turns into a little movie if you really pay attention to it.
And for those who don't, you know, know what this song actually sounds like, with the beat
with it, too, like, it's cinematic.
Like, you could see him walking through this entire experience, you know?
So, I think this is a verse that is definitely a staple, a cornerstone in some of the best
verses in rap, you know, of all time.
This is definitely one of those cornerstone pieces, for sure.
It's not over-rapping.
And I think that a lot of people think lyricism is just, you know, compounds a lot of syllables,
you know, rhyme after rhyme after rhyme after rhyme, with words that might not even train
track off each other.
That's something I could see.
Like, when you pick up a really good book, and you know within three pages, you're like,
oh, yeah, I'm gonna finish this shit today.
Yeah.
That's what I think me and him share.
Like, we understand.
And, you know, oratorial skills and ways to put words where it excites your, you know,
the imagination that creates the visuals you see when you read.
Because that's why people read.
You can make your own movie.
You know, that's why people complain about how the movie don't look like the book.
How the fuck would you know?
The book don't got no pictures.
But that's good.
It's like you painted it.
You painted the picture.
Being human is cool if you really learn how to use the tools.
And so.
I'm curious about this with any artist, because it's like, y'all brought.
a lot of songs
a lot of songs
y'all brought was from
you know
kind of past era, some classics, some classic joints.
Who are y'all listening to right now?
Who are y'all listening to right now that you're like,
oh, I'm fucking with what they're putting out?
- Man, King Hendrix, man.
That's one of my tops right now.
- I don't know, I don't know him.
- For sure, man.
He from Houston, I believe, but--
- Oh shit, he's a Houston dude.
- He worked with Babyface Ray a lot.
- I fuck with Babyface Ray.
- And a lot of Detroit people.
- Okay.
- King Hendrix.
- He did a couple tapes with Topside, yeah.
- Okay.
- But yeah, he go crazy, man.
He got a way of delivering everything
that's super unique, bro.
And it's a combination of obviously street trapping shit,
but at the same time, dawg, he talking a genius game.
It's kind of the best of both worlds
when it comes to the musicality of it all,
the lyricism of it all, and subject matter too.
- Mm-hmm.
- And even the beat selections and shit.
So when I first started getting into his shit,
probably like last year, two years ago or something,
it was real refreshing.
That shit was super refreshing, man,
to see somebody come in with the street angle,
but creatively and spitting too.
'Cause a lot of times you can win on street shit
just by being a real street nigga.
If your stories are real, you could win being
a street rapper, just as long as you telling your shit.
It's gonna be a crowd for that.
But a lot of times, I laugh with a couple of my friends
and shit, 'cause in Chicago, it's this thing
where like, all right, if somebody was a big street dude,
usually they'd just try to rap eventually one time.
We'd be like, man, here go the street niggas,
always thinking that they supposed to rap.
Like every street nigga--
- You could see it all, you could see it all.
- Every street nigga--
- They sell drugs to rap.
- Yeah, it's like, every street nigga don't need to rap.
- I love the idea of somebody selling crack
on the corner and be like, ooh, I can't wait to get--
- I can't wait to rap about this.
- I can't wait to write a poem about this.
- Yeah, you feel me?
- He chop the wibbles up.
- Every street nigga don't need to rap.
Sometimes you just a really good street nigga,
you know what I mean?
But over the past umpteen years,
there's been this big infatuation with the streets again,
you know what I'm saying, when it comes to rap.
And it comes from a lot of voyeurism of people
from good situations, suburbs and nice places
that want to voyeurize.
They want to voyeurize into some of the dark street shit
and get a feel for that.
And that's intriguing to a lot of them.
And a lot of them have caused this big swell of like,
ooh, is he a real, did he really kill somebody?
Oh, he really killed him?
Oh, I got to listen to that.
It turns people on to know that I'm listening
to a real criminal, this is great.
But that doesn't always guarantee good artistry,
just 'cause you a real criminal, you know what I mean?
- Speaking of which, speaking of which,
I got to give y'all flowers again.
Y'all put me onto one of my favorite rappers,
who really be talking about street shit
in a very beautiful, eloquent way.
Y'all put me onto Bodie James.
- Of course, yeah, that's a archetype example
of like what I'm talking about here, you know?
It's combining the reality of it, the stories of it.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Yeah, and he from a whole another planet with this shit.
- Watching him turn things that I've even seen
into, you know, like real scripture.
- Real like movie scripts, bro.
He'll give you street names and tell you what happened
over here and that's for sure what happened.
- The best part about him is like you obviously,
y'all grew up together and I met him later on in my life
and you know, we got close and I would listen to stories
that he would tell me where we talking about, you know,
shit that was going on in his past and just stories,
you know, and then I would be maybe visiting in Detroit
or something, riding around with him and then I'm seeing,
all this shit from all the songs and all the people
from the songs and it all connects and it's a real world
that he's built, you know what I mean?
And I don't know if people get to experience that level
of like world building with artists.
Like he built a world that like really existed.
He could really drive you through like a,
what's that ride at Disney World?
It's a small world or whatever and he'd point out
all the little landmarks and all that shit.
- I sure used to scare the fuck out of people.
Take you through one of them, you know what I'm saying?
And I think that's what creates like a legendary writers
when they can bring you into their reality for real, you know?
- He has a joint, I was trying to remember what it was.
No, it's not this one.
He has one where he's straight up is just like
telling the whole story and like, he's literally like,
he's like, yeah, I had to drop my son off
and then I had to pick him up
and then I had to go over here and then I was like,
oh, this is like, it's a real day.
- Yeah.
- Like you don't like a real shit, bro.
- There's some real shit, that's, but.
- What song was that?
- That's almost like the antithesis
of what we're talking about.
Where when we were younger, this wasn't,
it wasn't like he was living this life to rap.
It was, he was always good with words.
You know, like we would have like little family functions.
We would play like word games
and I ain't never seen nobody do that shit.
Where it's like, you know, you'll play the game
where you'll start off with an A word
and then you gotta remember what everybody else said.
- Oh yeah.
- Bro, you not beating him at that.
No one's beating him at that.
- Yeah.
- I sat at the kitchen table like,
bro, what the fuck is wrong with you?
How did you, how do you do this?
- Yeah.
- Nah, he ain't hitting it with it.
- And like, he don't, he can go to his concert.
He don't miss one word and it's all in his head.
He write it down one time and it's like,
he just knows it, you know, and got it rehearsed.
He's really rain, man.
But that's, you know, sometimes you gotta have talent.
- Yeah, of course.
And he like, he putting out a new album.
Like I feel like he be putting out like
six albums a year.
- I mean, it's therapy, fam.
- The volume is like.
- It's just what he, you know, it's like hooping.
- It's easy when it's like, you just recounting.
He could just pluck the stories out of his mind.
- Yeah.
- You know what I mean?
Like that's, that's the beauty of it all.
It's not like you gotta create or fabricate something
from scratch that doesn't exist.
All he doing is he just could pluck
one of the billion stories he got from his head
and put that bitch down on a song.
And it's gonna be fresh every time.
- That's why he's gathering such a fan base
where it's like, you go to something he has
or an album release, you'll see every single human.
- Yeah.
- Every single person.
- It's like a real mixed bag of like every type of person.
- It's like literally like the Marvel universe.
- Yeah.
- You know, and physical music.
- Yeah.
- You know, every single Bodie James album
has got a vinyl or something behind it.
So that has a lot to do with what we were talking
about earlier, like just, he don't really, he's not,
he's not trying to find people.
People are finding him.
- Because he's like.
- You know, like I don't, he don't need no joint
for the radio.
He don't gotta get so-and-so on it.
He don't need a hook from so-and-so, like it's his world.
- Did there ever, did there ever feel like a time
for y'all in y'all's career where you're like,
oh, like we got to like, like a label or like anybody
was like, oh, they want you to make like this type of music
and you-
- Oh yeah, that shit happened before us.
That shit was funny as hell.
We was about to, we were getting quartered by J Records and,
I think all through that whole little time
when we was getting quartered, me and him would just laugh.
Like, bro, it's free food.
Like you get to sit up in there and they put you in hotels
and all that, but we not going.
And I remember one time, like, I'm not going to say his name,
but he liked a very big person in music.
- Okay.
- And he's cool as hell.
I love him.
And he likes our music.
So he would come to shows and he said,
"Yeah, sign with us.
We're going to put you on a remix to 'Teenage Dreams'
by Alicia Keys."
I'm like, "Nigga, what the fuck did you do?"
- For some context too, like this is during those years
where the record industry and like internet music and blog,
music and shit were like kind of still fighting to see
who was about to come out next.
So the, the traditional like record industry ideas
of doing shit was still very prevalent.
And back then it was like, oh yeah, we got to get you on,
you know, get you on the hook with so-and-so
and get you on the big remix.
And you know, it was like,
- We got to get Wale with Lady Gaga.
- Yeah.
It was that era still where people were still trying to just
fit a square peg in a round hole, you know,
just because that was the tradition.
- That song aged well.
- That was the tradition.
- I liked that song.
- I liked that song when it came out.
- I forgot that one.
I forgot that one, but.
- But Lady Gaga wasn't Lady Gaga when that happened.
- Nah.
- Yeah, she was still very new.
- She was brand new.
- She was still on the comeback.
- She was still very new.
- No, she was brand new.
- Was that brand new Gaga?
- Brand new.
- In my mind, I guess she's been poppin'
for such a long time.
- She was still new.
- She's just always been.
- I think she had some shit before that.
- She had.
- I feel like she had a little bit.
- She had the "Just Dance" song.
- Yeah, it was just a little bit before that.
- "Just Dance" was poppin'.
- And she was signed to Akon.
- Yeah.
- Which nobody talks about.
Nobody's talking about that.
- I'm talking about Akon.
I remember that.
- She was signed to Convict Music.
- She was.
- Akon is.
- That's crazy.
- Akon, hey, good lookin'.
- That's crazy work, man.
- Yo, Akon.
- That's crazy work.
- Akon saw the future.
- He be seein' somethin', man.
For sure.
Akon a different dude, man.
- You know what I'm sayin'?
- That nigga big up.
- That's a different dude, man.
- That's a different dude.
- He buildin' the whole,
he buildin' the city, right?
- Shit.
- I don't know.
What he on?
I'ma stay out there, man.
Busy.
- Yeah, man.
Nah, he had that Sub-Zero from Mortal Kombat.
Christian Dior fake vest, though, in that time.
It had me dyin', bro.
What was that?
- I ain't drink champs.
I never seen this vest.
- You gotta watch his drink champs.
Yeah, he on there with a Sub-Zero Scorpion Mortal Kombat.
- We gon' let him have it.
- Karate vest.
- You gon' tell him somethin' about it?
- I ain't got shit to say to him, nope.
- Hey, look, you discover Lady Gaga,
you can put on whatever type of vest you want.
- I'm pretty sure Akon is a gangster.
I don't know nothin' to do.
- He look like a nigga to definitely know
a roundhouse kick with the hard bottom.
Some hard bottom shoes on too?
Of course.
He look like the type of nigga
that definitely
hit you with a quick one of them.
Yeah, hit you with the roundhouse.
He hit you with a roundhouse
with them hard bottoms on.
I already know.
Yeah.
Every time a nigga's fighting
and they bring a kick out,
I'm always like,
let's shut it down.
You got to reestablish things.
You kicking?
I'm kicking niggas.
Off the top.
I'm definitely kicking.
What if,
you get into it with somebody
and they first initial move
into the confrontation
is like,
he just crane up on you.
One leg in the air.
You fighting or flighting?
You staying or you leaving?
I'm going to go ahead
and get out of there first.
You don't know shit about doing it.
He's like,
oh, what?
You said.
And then you lift
that leg up a little bit.
You sticking around
or you going to be
not at all.
I'm going to go ahead
and fly.
Hey, brother.
Hey, you got it.
You got it.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, you got to leave.
You got to leave.
I might try.
I don't end up in fighting
situations that much,
but I might
pull that out just so like
just what you got to commit
to that.
Yeah, you got to really
put something.
No, because if a nigga
don't believe that
and you don't got that
crane in you,
he's going to sweep
that other leg.
You're done.
You're getting liquefied.
Put you in a Gatorade bottle.
We got a couple more
bars that y'all brought.
Let's get into those too.
Let's go.
Let's go Twista.
Let's go.
That was you, right?
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
All right.
We got emotions.
We got emotions.
We got emotions on this one.
Shout out Johnny P
on the hook.
R.I.P.
One of the greatest.
Let me see.
Oh, yeah.
You could just start
from the top on this one.
Well, a motherfucker
could never control me.
Only squeeze me
and hold me.
That's what the hoe
came up and told me.
Now, ain't she bold, G?
But my mouth is
what a gold be
because I'll be
pimping it like Goldie.
Got to get paid
in this age.
My fingers ain't made
to just be chopping
up confetti with.
It's already thick.
If it's already thick,
you better study
nigga.
If you ain't with it,
you can get it
because I ain't even
on that petty shit.
You hear me?
Like these are
a lot of very direct,
very direct statements
that Twista is delivering
to you here, man.
I always just fucked
with the way that
the way that he is able
to obviously spit fast,
but still be very,
very clear in enunciating
what he's saying
and like positioning
his breaths,
between words
to where he don't
got to stop.
He don't got to like,
no, he's like carrying
on every, you know,
syllable without even
having to like take
that big breath, man,
because of the way
he spaces his words out, man.
And obviously, man,
like coming from
the West Side,
Twista is definitely
one of the best
player rappers
to ever be.
I think that's what
really, you know,
kind of raised me
and what I was raised
up on, you know,
coming from Chicago
is just a lot of
player stuff, man.
And him and Do or Die
and Crucial Conflict,
a lot of them
were super instrumental
in like developing
that style for the city
and giving us that,
you know, that cadence
and giving us that,
you know, that style
that was our own.
So I always try to,
you know, every so often
make sure that I'm
refreshing my mind
with the stuff that
really inspired me
in the first place.
And the stuff that really
is like the foundation
of how I learned
how to write, you know?
And I'm glad that I learned
how to write like fast first.
Like this is a lot of the stuff
that I would listen to
to, you know,
kind of emulate
to try to learn
how to like position
these raps
and learn how to like,
learn how to pace myself,
you know?
And starting out
with a person
that's like Twista
that's rapping fast,
obviously,
when it became time
for me to like slow it down
and learn how to rap
for real in other ways,
then it was easier
for me because I'm used
to already like having
to cram a lot
into a little.
Now when I'm able
to space it out more,
it's way easier.
I can see it way
more clearly, man.
And that all comes from,
you know,
starting out with a quick
kind of rapid fire foundation
like this, you know?
Can I ask you something, Mike?
You from Chicago.
I acted in a show.
That's what,
I acted in a show
in Chicago where they
Oh yeah, I meant to ask you too.
What show was you on?
It's this,
they're doing,
they're doing
Barbershop the Show.
I heard about that.
Yeah.
You want to know
something crazy?
What happened?
They sent me the script
for that.
Yeah.
And I was supposed
to audition for a role
on there.
Yeah.
I don't know if,
is it already done?
We already shot it, yeah.
You already shot it?
Okay.
So is there,
is there this dude,
is there this dude
on there that was like,
I think it was right?
I was supposed,
that's you?
He took my motherfucking role, man.
That was supposed to be me.
It was supposed to be me.
Dog, that's hilarious.
Man, that's you?
Damn, I can't believe
I'm sitting in front of,
dog,
took the exact role
that I was going to do.
That's crazy.
Who would have thought?
My bad, dog.
I wouldn't imagine
I'm flying out of New York
to meet dude
and his podcast
is playing the role
that I was going to play on there.
I didn't even audition for it,
but they sent it to me though
and they were like,
yo, you want to do this?
And I read it.
I was like,
oh, that could be funny.
That could be dope.
But I think the,
the audition time
had passed by then
or something.
I was like,
oh shit, it's too late.
And I just was like,
fuck it, bud.
I mean, y'all already made,
y'all made y'all acting debut.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, that was fun.
That was fun.
I'm trying to do some more though, man.
That was,
that was fun, man.
That was cool.
What's it like to get killed on camera?
It was,
it was hard work, honestly.
Like we had to fall a lot,
like repeatedly fall and shit, man.
That kind of got a little painful,
but other than that,
it was,
it was pretty fun, man.
Daniel Kaluuya's super,
super, super talented, bro.
Like acting with him,
acting with him
make you feel like a better actor.
Yeah, one day,
one day your XP goes up.
I believe it.
Yeah.
Yeah, shout out, shout out.
Y'all gotta go,
also go watch Widows.
It's a good movie.
It's for real a good ass movie.
No, it's good, man.
And Mike and Chuck are both in it.
I need to go update my SAG address.
I might got a check in there.
Right, you know,
they just sent something crazy.
You got it?
It's an online thing now.
They told everybody.
But you ain't got the money though?
They said,
it's something about the music part of it now.
The soundtrack,
they're trying to pay for that now.
So you gotta sign this online thing
and then they'll start paying you for the music part.
I gotta get my address.
I probably got a couple bands in that.
He's like,
where's the money at?
Go see what's up.
You got a SAG check recently?
No, I didn't.
I didn't get the check.
But I signed up for that thing though.
Have you gotten one recently?
We tried to get to the bottom of it.
Probably a couple weeks,
a couple weeks ago.
But them shits, man,
like SAG checks after the movies, man.
All those people out there
just watching and wondering how show,
show business goes,
they be real dope at first.
And then after a couple years,
them bitches will be $8.
Them niggas will send you a check for 17.
Seven cents.
They'll send you a check for seven cents.
The numbers look cool at first.
Yeah.
When it's in the theaters,
it's dope.
When it first come out,
you're like,
yo, we. Them checks is good.
When it went out to theaters
and they had it on the airplanes,
yeah,
they was sending us Brick Ferry.
Oh, yeah.
It's decent.
It's decent when they get on the planes.
You think like your next check,
you kind of,
counting out the time,
it's been like a couple months,
my shit finna hit.
You going through,
you got the letter opener,
all that,
pull that bitch out.
Yeah, movies are funny, bro.
Movies are hilarious.
It could go from $7,000
to $128.
Yeah, movies are funny.
And if you ain't never had
your heart broke by a woman,
you can get your heart broke
by some paper.
I'm like,
y'all spent more typing this up
than paying me for this.
Y'all could have just kept that shit.
Y'all should just let somebody
just like add up for a little bit.
Yeah, y'all spent more typing this
than what I'm getting paid.
So, yeah,
movies is funny.
Movies is funny, though, man.
The reality of it is,
yeah,
they'll be big at first,
but after the years go by,
you'll start getting
those dollar checks.
That's why I get
why motherfuckers be doing
weird-ass movies.
You be like,
damn,
you was just an Oscar Award
winning movie,
now you in this shit?
Yeah.
Now I'm like,
oh, you gotta keep the bands up.
They trying to keep the lights on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You created a lifestyle
for yourself.
Now you better
get in the next movie.
I mean,
we gotta wrap up,
unfortunately,
pretty soon.
All right,
now I know which one.
Let's wrap up on this one.
I already know we're going to.
Which one you want to go to?
Go to Ghostface Nut, man.
Got you.
I got you.
Okay.
I forgot what he said
he was doing
when he wrote this.
This is a controversial
one right here.
This is real controversial.
A lot of people
like to say like,
oh, man,
he wasn't saying shit on there.
He wasn't rapping.
He was just making up words
and rhyming words.
Whoop-de-whoop.
Nah, man,
we about to break it down
and go into the meat
and the potatoes
of this one.
I ain't got my glasses on.
Can you blow the screen up
a little bit?
Yeah, I got you.
I got you.
I got you.
Hold on.
Niggas is aging.
Let me pull up.
This one controversial.
My skin look good,
but my eyes is fucking up.
My kneecaps, too.
We was talking about
kneecaps.
Yeah, man.
Knees be hurting.
Teleprompter size.
Yeah, I got you.
Okay, so
if you ever heard Nutmeg,
you know, yeah,
you know it's one of the
greatest rap songs
of all time.
But like,
see how this sample comes?
The first time I heard it,
I'm like, okay,
you're going to spit
some real woo shit.
Then the beast.
Like, switch up.
Scientific.
My hand kissed it.
Robotic listed.
I missed it.
You probably missed it.
Watch me dolly dick it.
Scallywally copied to me.
Rock, burn,
foam, hippie,
hippest,
kipsy,
crispy chicken,
virtual,
stone richie,
chop the O's,
sprinkle a little snow
inside the Optimo.
Ring the bond,
micro,
rap, rock and roll,
tiny bowl,
gung ho,
pro,
starski with the gum so,
hit the rum slow,
perot kids,
live Rapunzel,
really high,
the vivid laser I got,
jump in the Harley ride,
clocks are flipping,
lemon pop,
bout it, bout it,
Lord forgive me, Miss Sally Shop.
"Tracy got shot in the face, my house was overcrowded.
You fake cats done heard it first on how I shitted on your turf half-time, keep the links
verse soaked, check out the rap kingpin, summertime, fine jury dripping face in the box, I seen
your ear twitching soon, so I drop off," man, it don't stop.
I know we got to wrap up, but if you just read this, you're like, "Oh, you was smoking
dope."
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Some of that special dope.
Some space age.
Rob Markman: That's why I like the Wu, they was like, "Shit, we used to get dusted and
just say shit."
Yeah.
Rob Markman: And to me-
"Crispy chicken verse, throw up a stone, Richie chopped the old sprinkle, little snow
inside the optimal."
Rob Markman: He said-
They crazy.
Rob Markman: You know what I'm saying?
He wilding out, man.
Rob Markman: Hey yo, even the second verse is crazy.
Yeah.
Rob Markman: And you know, I think, when I think of lyrics, I think of just rap music
in general.
It was always like comic books to me.
You go buy the CD, you pull the CD sleeve out, you're looking at who produced it, you're
looking at all these characters, and now you watching the story play out.
To me, this doesn't age.
Every time I hear this song, it's a brand new song, because I'm like, "You really said
that shit?"
Rob Markman: Yeah.
"You really said it?"
He said, "My man got bigger diamonds, son."
Rob Markman: It's a new line.
It's a new line.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Nah, I think that's the beauty of the woo for sure, man.
Especially Ghostface in particular, man.
Just the way that that nigga, he'll give you six meanings for one word.
One word that means six different things, dog.
It's a slang meaning, he'll hit you with the literal meaning, the noun, the verb, all of
that shit, bro.
Rob Markman: I'm going to look at which camera we look at.
Hey, listen to the Ghostface Supreme Clientele album.
Classic.
For real.
Rob Markman: Get your education.
It ain't nothing wrong with going back, man, and listening to the top 10.
Listening to the foundations and shit, man.
That shit is cool.
Don't let people tell you that knowing shit ain't cool, bro.
Being an idiot is going out of style, dog.
The dumb, just oblivious-
Rob Markman: You look like you got shit on your face.
Rob Markman: I only know what I know from today.
That's going to play out real soon because the younger, young, young kids, they looking
back at all type of old shit.
My niece is 14 asking me about Portishead and shit, bro.
They on some other shit.
Rob Markman: Yeah, they maxed out.
Rob Markman: They're about to spend the block on all of
the creative shit that was really cool to us in the first place, man.
Get your knowledge up, man.
It ain't cool to not know shit.
That's real.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
You might as well end right there.
Rob Markman: We got. I mean, that is. That's a
good place.
That's a good. Rob Markman: We got one voicemail.
Okay.
Rob Markman: We got a voicemail from a fan.
Oh, yeah.
Y'all got call-ins?
Rob Markman: Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I didn't even know we had a live call-in.
Rob Markman: Headphones right there?
Yeah, I'm going to do the DJ ear.
I just got my hair braided.
Rob Markman: I got you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
- The dresses is so big, they got it in commercials.
- Yeah, no he got 'em.
- Or shit that don't even got nothing to do with E-40.
- Right.
- Yeah, he in like a just regular chicken commercial.
They're like ranch, nope.
Blue cheese, yup.
- Oh, that's what that's from?
- Yeah, that's E-40.
- That's E-40.
- That's E-Fizzle, bro. - I did not realize that's where--
- Monzarelli.
- Fody water, man.
- I did not realize that's where it came from.
- That's big Fody water right there, man.
- Honestly, one of the greatest rappers that ever exist.
- Yeah.
- I don't wanna hear no, "E-40 ain't in the top."
- Nah, shut the fuck up.
- Yeah, you gotta get the fuck on with that, bro.
And we wanna talk about creating a slang,
creating a language of his own,
that's one of the godfathers right there, man.
- He got a lot of, every song got 16 words
I never heard of before. - 16 new words
for your ass, bro.
- Bro, you thought Bodie James had a lot of albums.
E-40 got shit you ain't even, you forgot,
you didn't even forget, 'cause you didn't know it happened.
- You didn't know it happened.
- And he been in the game for 40 years or whatever.
- It was the first rap album I heard.
- And don't got no whack verse.
- Never.
- Ain't never came on no track,
and did nothing weak.
- He said, "Izza, Izza, can I save her?"
- Yeah.
- "I wanna be saved."
- Oh, yeah.
- Yeah, see, you watching it, right?
- Yeah.
- See, look at him, look at him face.
- Narc?
- Nope.
- Shark?
- Shark, yup.
- Yo, shout out, shout out E-40.
- Narc, nope.
- And shout out to Cool Kids, man.
I appreciate y'all pulling up.
- Oh, thanks for having us, bro.
This was fun, man.
- Y'all got anything y'all like to plug
before we get out of here for the people?
- Just stay tuned. - Yeah, man.
- Just stay tuned, man.
- Pay attention.
- Follow us on the things, man.
I know y'all hear it all the time,
but that's how we can stay connected
and stay in tune, man, so.
- And y'all got the album.
- Yeah, of course.
"Gone Fishing."
- "Gone Fishing."
- "Gone Fishing" is out.
- Yeah.
- "Hot Top Fade" is out.
We in the studio about to create another one,
so y'all just stick around, man.
Buy them physicals.
Physical media, bro.
Physical media is gonna save music, man,
so make sure y'all just support.
- Open your hands, boss.
- Boss, yeah, hey, yo.
- Yeah, that's what we gotta get out of here on that note.
- With that, with that we gone, I appreciate y'all.
- Wrap it up.
- Yeah.
- All right, man.
- Yes, sir.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The host and guests reflect on the early influence of a favorite group, recalling their formative connection through MySpace and the unique "jaws on style" that stood out in the early rap scene.
A re-release of an old mixtape with Don Cannon is being physically reissued on vinyl, CD, and tape, emphasizing a return to tangible, analog music formats.
The artists stress the importance of authenticity and living with music rather than just consuming it, citing how the pandemic disrupted lived experiences and deepened the value of real, immersive listening.
They discuss the shift in music consumption due to streaming, arguing it has diluted connection and creativity, making it harder for artists to build genuine bonds with fans.
Physical media like vinyl and CDs are being rediscovered as meaningful and culturally valuable, offering a more personal and enduring experience than digital streaming.
The conversation highlights the creative power of slang and storytelling in rap, using Prodigy’s verse as a prime example of vivid, cinematic, and deeply rooted urban language.
The artists praise Bodie James for building an authentic, real-world narrative through his music, where stories feel lived-in and emotionally resonant.
They critique the music industry’s outdated reliance on labels and remixes, noting how such traditions often fail to serve true artistic expression or audience connection.
Summary:
The podcast features a heartfelt conversation between longtime fans and artists about the evolution of music, listening habits, and creative expression. The guests reflect on how early rap culture, particularly through groups like "y'all," introduced them to a raw, authentic style rooted in real-life experiences and vivid storytelling. They emphasize the value of physical media—vinyl, CDs, and tapes—as a return to tangible, immersive music that fosters deeper connection.
The discussion explores how streaming has disrupted music consumption, reducing emotional engagement and turning listening into passive, algorithm-driven habits. The artists argue that true artistry thrives in authenticity, as seen in Prodigy’s use of deep-cut slang and Bodie James’ storytelling that feels like a lived reality. They critique the music industry’s outdated structures, like remix deals and label demands, which often prioritize commercialism over artistic integrity.
The conversation also highlights how music has become a form of cultural storytelling, where fans now seek real narratives over manufactured content. Ultimately, the hosts advocate for a return to meaningful, personal listening—where music is lived with, not just scrolled through—emphasizing that the best art emerges from authenticity, lived experience, and human connection.
FAQs
Y'all's music is known for its unique slang, deep storytelling, and vivid imagery that creates a cinematic experience. The use of regional slang like 'wibbles' and references to places like the BQE or St. Ives adds authenticity and cultural depth, making the lyrics feel lived-in and real.
The speaker credits Y'all for introducing them to a new level of lyrical creativity and storytelling. Their music helped shift the speaker's understanding of rap from just rhymes to a form of narrative art that builds immersive worlds and connects deeply with real-life experiences.
Physical media like vinyl and CDs are being rediscovered as a meaningful way to experience music. The speaker notes that physical formats offer a more intentional, immersive experience and are seen as a counterpoint to the passive, algorithm-driven nature of streaming.
The speaker sees streaming as a disruptive force that has altered how music is consumed, reducing the sense of personal connection and making it feel like a passive, repetitive experience. They believe it has diminished the emotional and cultural impact of music.
The speaker believes music will return to a more authentic, intentional form rooted in physical experience and deep storytelling. They think future music will be less about chasing virality and more about creating meaningful, personal connections through art.
The speaker believes music must be lived with—experienced in real life moments like parties or drives—rather than just consumed passively. The pandemic made it harder to live with music, as people were isolated and couldn’t fully engage with it in the way they once did.
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