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NMLS 910457. Snake Eyes, 1998, it's under 100 minutes. It's in Atlantic City. It's Nick Cage. It's Brian Dupalma. They say the title in the movie multiple times. There's a fixed boxing match. There's an assassination. There's a cover up. There's a dirty cop. Sean, they just don't make them like this anywhere. No, man. You know, I was thinking about this rewatching it last night. There's a certain kind of movie that's that I like to call the water slide movie where once you sit down like you can't stop. Right. You just go down. It doesn't mean that the end of the ride is going to be the best part. And this is a situation where the end of the ride may not be the best part. It may not be the best fall, but the slide down in this movie is so fucking fun. So I'm excited about this one. It's Nick Cage. Nick Cage had a great point in his career. I threw this movie at you and wasn't surprised that you were excited about it. Loved it, saw it in theaters. It's back to back years of going into a movie thinking that I knew what the movie was going to be. And then in the first act going, wait a minute. This is different than what I thought it was going to be in 97. It was Eves Bayou. Okay, which I thought was going to be a straight horror movie. Yeah, it ended up being this American, this great American Southern drama. And then when I went into this one, face off was like a couple years before this. So I think I expected more of a bombastic action film. Yeah, then this kind of scene by scene, like totally kinetic driving spy craft espionage type of deal. But I totally was in girls, but we'll talk about the palm in a second. Nick Cage. I'll start here. I'm trying to think is there a better actor to play a crooked cop who has to make a choice whether he wants to do the right thing or not that we've ever had in the history of American cinema. I don't know what it is about. I have some nominees. I mean, then I was done this couple times. Harvey Kaitel, Ray Leata. Yeah, eat your selba. I think has that kind of vibe to it, but it's it's I don't know what it is about an actor matching it with this. Like I wouldn't buy McConaughey as a dirty cup. Right. Bruce Willis. I would still feel like he was Bruce Willis. There's got to be some sort of scumbag. Sleeziness. Sleezzy. But I'm still rooting for you. And it's a really hard tightrope. And I can't explain it. It's really unusual though that that is the energy that he gives when you look at his background and the kind of roles that he took early in his career. And just the way that he is as a person if you ever see him talk in real life. He's an artist. He talks like an artist. He's from a very established, famous filmmaking family. And yet he does seem like a sleaze ball. He's got like the chest hair going all the way up to his neck. His hair line. He's just kind of you know, I think that part of what makes Nick Cage, Nick Cage is or is exactly what you're talking about. It is a rejection of I am from a filmmaking dynasty. I don't want my last name Coppola to influence the way you think I should be doing what I am. I don't want to be the Francis for Coppola of acting. I want to be this almost for force of nature on screen. That goes from playing like one of the hardest to watch movies I've ever watched and loved was leaving Las Vegas to then cash or Troy to this raising Arizona, which is the first time. All of these offbuilt off kilter things almost like a rejection of what you would think a Coppola would be doing as an actor. I like that you flipped him made him a Coppola. He is a Coppola. He's he's Nick Cage. He is changes them. He did, but he's when I is funny when I first learned that I look at actually on Saturday life. Yeah, I learned that he because there's this kid that they do where they're talking about it goes like if we're talking about good bodies, why don't you mention Sophia Coppola or something like that. That's my cousin and I'm like, what? That's why I kind of found it out, but he's in his career. That's something that for whatever reason, he definitely did not want to be. I think it's colored the way that he's taking roles and how he's acting and other things. It's weird, though. I mean, he appears really early on in Francis for Coppola movie. Right. He's in Peggy Sue got married. He's in Valley girl. He's in these movies in the 80s. He's in raising Arizona where he's got this more like comic goofball persona moon struck is kind of an oddball. Yeah, and he finds a way to pivot into this like really pain deep sincere artist in the mid 90s. And then pivots out of that into these kinds of parts, these like action star parts with guys who are a little greasy, a little untrustworthy. You're rooting for them, but they've done bad things in their life, you know, con heirs like this face off is like this. It's just a, yeah, matchstick man. Yeah, he's just a really weird screen persona. He's kind of transformed many times. He went to the Oscar for leaving Las Vegas. Before that, he was kind of the, he was a draft pick for, hey, who could win an Oscar someday? He would have been a guy that was mentioned. And he rips the movies he rips off after that it was inexplicable as it was happening. And there I had in when I did the action hero championship belt. I think he actually had the belt because he's in the rock and face off and con air. The city of angels, which not an action movie, then snake eyes in a millimeter though like five of his six is next six movies are just like these action movies are action thrillers are all movies. I like, by the way, we've done the rock face off con air. We've done five, the five of those six unrewatchable. Yeah. But as it was happening, we're like, you're a serious actor. You just want an Oscar. What are you doing? But also think about those characters to Sean's point. Yeah, those are not characters that really fit into the archetypes of action movie stuff. Yeah, it was like 2.0 version. Yeah, it's like in in the rock. He yeah, sure. He is the driving force of this big action movie, but he's a scientist. He's a scientist and kid nerd type of guy. Yeah. And then in face off, he goes from being this magnificent evil at the beginning to play the version of Tom of. I can't remember. Yeah, anyway, but and he's like, got to show all of this sensitivity and all of this stuff. He always flipped it and con air. I remember seeing con air. He's a real action movie. Yeah, he's ripped even that though. He's big and he's got the hair and it was kind of like that was a way that you hadn't really seen him before. He was wrongfully imprisoned, roughly imprisoned killed the guy defending his wife in a rainstorm. Yeah, and shouldn't kill them because he the army ranger. He's he had these skills that he shouldn't have used on other. He had to go to jail. No, it's like circumstances never happens in real life. But in these action movies where they have to figure out how to get a guy in jail. It's never like, yeah, he had this 15 year old girl in his neighborhood. He never like gross. So it's like, you know, he had these skills and he had to defend his wife and the guy he didn't know the guy was going to die. And even not seen in con air. Isn't that one part where he's just looking up going like he's so far out of it. They go so far to make you understand that he's not a bad guy. He's just good at playing guys with baggage with darkness with this like unresolved problem. You know, Moon struck us like that too or is he Arizona is like that too. His best movies are always guys where you're like, what the hell happened to this guy? Yeah, why is he like this? This movie is kind of like that too. It's just like why is this such a scumbag? Why is such an operator? Don't you just get the feeling that almost more than any other actor, he just likes having fun on screen. Definitely this movie is a good example. So when do you think when do you think the wheels kind of started to come off with him as a best actor type of guy was that this movie or face off because these face off he's dialing it up. Yeah, and because I was that with Hachino when he did sent of a woman, he just kind of morphed into the center of a woman guy. Yeah, yeah, I feel like face off he never shed face off in his brain and just felt he's nuts in this way, which is why I like it. But if you watch Vampires Kiss, which he made before this, that's one of the craziest movie performances of all time where you can feel him just being like screw it. I'm taking this movie over and I'm doing exactly what I want and it doesn't matter if any other actor is doing this. And he does tone it down and movies after that like Red Rock West, right? He's really like Loki.
cool. But he even in the early days was just like screw it. This movie, Safety Off, I'm doing whatever I want. Safety Off is a good way to put it. Yeah. And that's a good, that's a good list. The safety off list. That's Pacino and devil's advocate is like, Safety Off. But he meets his absolute match in this movie because De Palma is one of the great safety off. Yeah. Like encouraging performers, filmmakers, because like he did this twice of Pacino, Scarface and Curledo's way are amazing safety off performances. So they're like, they're so good together. Something, it's funny about Nick Cage. It is a little unfair the way we look at how his career played out because he's been not just safety off. He's been bazooka safety off for like the last 10 years. But even after this, matchstick man, the weather man, all of these movies, there are some real understated performances that people really don't give him credit for. And even like national treasurer of all the movies that he's played where he's kind of played them straight up and down, national treasurer might be one of those things. So it really for a long time, for a long time, even after this, there was a great variety in the roles and some of the roles were a little bit more understated. He was a high volume shooter. His next five after eight millimeter were bringing out the dead, gone in 60 seconds, the family man, Captain Crowley's Mandolin along with a millimeter. I remember Captain Crowley's Mandolin. That's when it was kind of ending for Nick Cage, where he was becoming a little bit of a punchline. It is interesting. It's like a different snake eyes. It's not apex mountain for him. It's a different, it's almost like last title or last, it's almost like the 1998 Bulls with MJ for the Nick Cage. The last dance. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's almost like last dance for him where you go to stink eyes because it's him and diploma. I still have faith everybody's going to make the right decisions. And then it probably ends with eight millimeter of movie that I love very much. The film is real. Well, that movie with that subject matter, he is the only guy, one of the only guys to me. And maybe you guys can think of somebody else on his level of star that would have went on that journey. That would have been like, yeah, show down with me and machine in a cemetery. Yeah. He was, he was fearless and he was really into kinky transgressive stuff. He's still really good though. He's had like a little mini renaissance in the last five years. For sure. He was in pig. He was in dream scenario a couple of years ago. Like he's not a huge box office star anymore. But he's still a really interesting actor and like, long legs. Yeah, every third or fourth movie. And he's still trying, he's still trying stuff, you know, like even if you don't like long legs, he's going for it in that movie. He's doing something totally new. There's all kinds of stuff surrounding him about like, you know, stuff that he's done off screen and stuff that he's bought. He's fucking crazy. I mean, he's like a lunatic. He is legitimately, to me, one of the freest artists of my generation made it as far as actors. There are other guys out there, but Nick Cage is totally free. He makes movies like the movie that he made free. I mean, bockers, no, I mean, free, like, he's not, he's not free to be judged. He's not afraid to be judged. Like he, he puts the movie out there. The premise of the movie could be crazy. Like Craig, but that's like Craig, you know, he did make a film called Bangkok Dangerous and we're of course here with Bangkok. Craig. Oh, that's right. I forgot about Bangkok. Yeah. He's right over there. But even the whole Bangkok, Bangkok Dangerous era, that movie and then knowing, knowing. Yeah. That's a movie that on paper should have been amazing. And then you watch it and you're like, God damn it. What the hell happened? So it's not, it's not a movie that is great, but it is a movie that is better than you remember it. Yeah. Yeah. And he, he says, he has a thing. Before we start recording, we're talking about movie stars. He's got a thing where he can just hold a movie on his shoulders. No matter how good or how bad the movie is, an hour and 10 minutes or two, you know, you know, an hour and 40 minutes, like you can hang with him the whole time. And that is rarer than we realize. Yeah. Good. Remember Ghost Rider? Yeah. Of course. Yeah. That was when the wheels came off for him, but I still went, I saw that in the theater because I was like, ah, this movie looks nuts and the cages in it. And Ghost Rider, if it was released in 2017 and the Marvel machine back then would have been cool. Yeah. Fantastic. Cause you might have got a different take on it. There's also a Ghost Rider sequel that is like, almost a lot. Spirit of vengeance. Spirit of it. Spirit of vengeance. Yeah. It just helps. And now when it's very, very hard to watch, tough one. But um, he's also like a huge comic nerd. Him. He's, he's into that stuff. That's a cool character. If you're that type of star, maybe Johnny Blaze is not the comic book character that you choose to play. But that's the one that he wanted to. Dupama. We've done this is number five. There's a few things left on the bone. What do you, what, what do you really? I have long term. I mean, Scarface. We haven't done yet. Carly does way. We haven't done yet. And there's one other dress to kill. Just kill. We have done it. Yeah. That's, I think that's the big three that are left. This, I found a night. We haven't done carry. Oh, we haven't done carry. Wow. I found a 1998 premiere magazine where they interviewed him about snake eyes. And it was a Q&A. And the question was, you're leading men often seem ineffectual, dwarfed by insurmountable obstacles. Dupama's like, yeah. Here's his answer. The establishment kind of overwhelms the protagonist in my movies. And it's like the tar baby. It's very difficult to beat. You keep sucking it. But you just keep on getting another limb sucked in. Jesus. Dupama. I mean, fucking weirdo. I love this guy. He is the best. He's just a maniac. I think of all the directors that are out there, the like the, obviously, he's a really important director for was new cinema. Yeah. He his movies are the ones that I feel the closest to. He's a freak like you. Yeah. I'm glad you said it. He's a freak. His his movies are the ones I feel close. It's almost like one of the, I was going to have this in one stage to worse. One of the most disappointing things about this movie is he kind of suppresses his freak a little bit. When they're when we're going over the hotel rooms, 1970s early 80s. Dupama would have had some crazy fuxing in one of the rooms. It was like mid 50s. Dupama like, I don't need to do that at this point though. Aren't we at the point where Dupama is most flirting with mainstream cinema? Yeah. He's coming out of Michigan possible. Yeah. He's on, I think he's on the mountaintop. I mean, this is really the highest, the pinnacle of his commercial appeals of filmmaker. But you you think that that might have like muted his desire to show some of that stuff with it, right? Like there's there. There are ladies in the movie that their sexuality plays a big part in the film. But there's a little bit of holding back to me of that stuff that some of the movies that he made in the past, obviously like Scarface. It's just like just, well, trust it. We did body double. I mean, you know, yeah, but in this, you can feel those urges being rolled back a little bit for the sake of, I want you to see the story and how the story shakes out. I feel like we're doing something really smart. All the movies are about, they're not about the women and they're not even about having sex with the women. They're about men watching the women. That's what all the movie, they're all about voyeurism. So the movie is still like that. It's just that like, I guess the women don't take their tops off in this movie, but for the most part, yeah, it's just, well, it seems like the same movie. It should be a PG-13 or an R and I think it ended up, they said, fuck it and went for R. Speaking of that, when we're doing Fit Fattale. Well, I would argue that's his last great movie. I know. Which one? Fit Fattale. That's a couple years later. Yeah. He saw something in Rebecca. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, like, you always know when it's his film. I think that's the, it's like, we always, Sean and I would always talk about back when, uh, back when our fingers used to work. When we'd see other writers and you could cover their byline and knew who the writer was. The best feeling. I know who that is. Right. DiPama. Like, you know, I know how the camera is moving. Yeah. As soon as the camera starts moving and you see what it's what it's looking at, then you can tell he's always going to take one big long shot swing at some point. Just to kill he does it. This one might be the granddaddy. Which is why I always thought, I mean, looking back on it, he was the perfect director to get the mission impossible for Manchester. I started. Well, he agrees because it allowed him to do movies like Snake Eyes because it did well and he made money from it. It's still shocking to me, though, how that worked. How so? Because he's, he never made anything even close to that scale of a movie. Scarface is a big movie, but it's only got like seven characters in it. Yeah. And him being able to pull off like the tunnel scene at the end of that movie is stunning. Oh, just the set. Just the scope of that movie is so big, but it's so, I still love the original. It's so good. And it's it's the headiest one of all of them. Some people would argue that the movies became more and more ridiculous from a plot standpoint. But what's your favorite debaume? Ever? Yeah. Carlitos way. What's your shine? It's probably blow out. I mean, we talked about it on the blow out pod, which I just think is like a perfect movie. But that whole stretch. I respect blow out the most, but I enjoy Scarface the most. I fucking love Scarface. Scarface, we haven't done a rewatch post because it's like I don't want to waste it yet. I know all those movies are great. Carlitos way is great. There's like a 15 year period where he is unmatched enabled being able to make a sequence in a movie. His sequences are so cool. You know why I can't have a baby with her many? Home womb. It's so polluted. We'll keep going. Yeah. But like Scarface. So the reason why I like Carlitos.
I can't say that I like Carlitos way more in the Scarface, but it's why I'm more connected to Carlitos way. It's because Carlitos way feels like Al Pacino and the Palma and Sean Penn together doing an actual thing. Scarface is legitimately take the reins off somebody, let them fucking go until they can't go anymore. It is like something to behold and while Carlitos way does actually really, really deep themes of connection and betrayal like recidivism. There's bad hair. Yeah, I feel real me being a, I love Penn's wig in this movie and that movie, it's so good. Dave. Yeah, I love that. I love that character like when we do Carlitos way between Sean Chris and Van, if it's a three person pod, we should have some sort of reality show competition where two people could make it. Yeah. The third one just gets voted off somehow the running man, but yeah, bowling at lucky strike. Just like that. You're out of a bowl off. It's a bowl off to see who gets the two spots. There's an incredible Carlitos way homage in this movie. Well, here's the other thing, the long shot, which I think is the signature from a rewatchable standpoint. It's so amazing how they do it. And he's never really said that it was 12, it's 12 straight minutes. Yeah. He never really admitted it was all 12 straight minutes. So then in this premiere magazine thing, they ask him about it and he says the movie starts out on the board, blah, blah, blah, blah. The shot establishes Nick Cage's character as he wonders to arena in the bubble. It's a steady cam shot that goes on for about 12 minutes. Then he says one continuous shot can really only be the length of a 30 and 35 mm magazine of 400 foot load. In bonfire, that was one five minute shot. We went as far as we could go. Of course you can make it look longer like Hitchcock's rope have somebody pass from the camera keep going. You need an awful staging and very good actors. So I think he's saying it was five minutes and they figured out some sort of cheat code. And I was watching again and you can see like, I think it's four cuts ultimately. Yeah, yeah. He rounds the corner one time on the wall. You can kind of tell down at the fight floor, they do it once. Yes. He definitely is cutting, but the staging of the scenes even with the cuts is crazy because of the size of the of the fucking boxing in a freaking arena doing this. It's amazing. Goosebun goes down the escalator at one point and you're like, how the fact that they do all this around that court. Yeah. That is just wild. I mean, looking back on it when I watch this because I hadn't seen this in a while, this is a technically really impressive movie. Yeah. I agree. One of his most impressive. It's one of his least interesting thematically, I would say. It is very relevant right now, which I'm sure we'll talk about. But unlike "Dressed to Kill" or "Curledo's Way," it's not like a heady movie about the way that people really feel in the world. It's kind of trashy. It's like a trashy noir movie, but he's using it as this vehicle to do all this cool shit with film. He takes that image, does say one interesting thing now at the end when he was like, basically, he's like, well, at least I get to be on TV or whatever. There's something about celebrity going on in the late '90s that I think Dupam was interested in, but I don't, he didn't really hit it hard enough. The movie is good and it's one that I really like when it came out. It's not quite as smart as it probably wanted to be. It needs like 10 more minutes, weirdly. Sorry, Craig. 108 minutes might have been able to nail it. There's some sort of thing about instant celebrity and the most interesting part of the movie to me is the fall after, where it sets them up as the hero. And then you're just like, hey, by the way, he was found with cocaine and then all of a sudden he's just done the boardwalk and he had his moment, it was gone. But that, I think that's a reshoot, which we can talk about why, but I don't think any of that stuff is supposed to be there in the first place and you could have made the case that if they had thought about it more that they could have made it more this far about leaning into like what you want out of celebrity in life, which is like a part of that character. There's other ideas in it that are kind of interesting about conspiracy thrillers, but there, it's more like the classic Dupamist stuff of being about other movies. Like this is very much, you mentioned rope in that quote, he's constantly being compared to Hitchcock who's this great inspiration and he's always like looking for a way to take a framework to Hitchcock has and then elevate it. So he has some movies, you know, like obsession from the 70s with Cliff Robertson is kind of like this, find raising cane is kind of like this, where they're like more exercises than they are great movies where he's like, let me see if I could do this. And they're still crazily entertaining, but you don't walk away from them with the same feeling that you do is like dress the kill or blow out. Yeah. The movie here is like surprisingly straightforward. Yeah. Like there, the things happen, right? You find out that Garrison East is your bad guy. There's no levels to that that just continues to play itself. It's revealed and then goes is revealed and then it goes and there's not a lot of, oh my god, I did not see that coming in the movie at all. That's why the technician part of the movie and it is so important because you need that to keep the kinetic energy of the film going. It's kind of like what's going to happen next from your eyes and not what's going to happen next from your brain. So it's like what the next thing you're going to see rather than the next thing that's going to happen plot wise. What are you on bonfire of the vanities? I don't think it really works very well. I do think that sequence that he's talking about is interesting, that long tracking study camp shot that they do, but it's like totally gratuitous and you can, he's just a mismatch with the material. Like I think if you had a different filmmaker make that movie, even if you had Scorsese make that movie, it would be a little bit more interesting, but I don't, I never get the impression he's like interested in that world, you know? That's why there's been books and podcasts and everything else done about that movie because it's was such a great piece of IP. And then every choice that man, every actor that cast was wrong, he was the wrong director. Yeah. It's pretty tough. Every like five years, I forget that it's bad and I'm like, oh, you know, I'll give this a world. You're going to defend it. Here we go. I always liked it. Oh, my God. I'm sorry, my bad guys. Hanks is, Hanks is bad in it. It's weird. He's also miscast. Yeah. He's just not good in it. I always liked it. I think I was at a time in my life. He just would have, you were destined to like, yeah, where it was like Willis, Hank, Smiley Griffith, like all in a movie together, being like that entire, but when we were also, I liked, you know, at that time, anything set in New York and I hope to, who's that girl? Madonna? Love the movie. So like, I just, I've always liked it. And I've tried to go back and watch it and find reasons to like not like the movie, but I always go, oh, man, I like this. Well, that came out in 90. It's kind of over after that, like he didn't really have the commercial movie after that. That's kind of the end of the run, which is interesting because it's also the end of some sort of, it's some sort of invisible line with the end of the Nick Cage run, even though we didn't know yet. He says something. He did. I read a couple of interviews then around this time. I wanted to read this to you guys, something he said right around the release of this movie. He said, I think that something new is coming. I really think that the conventional movie making world is over and the greatest work is behind us. I really do. The industry sort of peaked in the 40s, 50s and 60s mainly because of the turmoil, wars, all that stuff. European influx into Hollywood. That was the beginning of movies and it's over. It's never going to be again. I think the next thing that's going to happen is going to happen on the internet with interactive media. Now you can have all this video technology, your own little video camera and at its stuff at home. You can make movies like novels. Now you really can. You can make them inexpensively with your friends and put them on the internet. Wow. He didn't even see the prestige TV coming, but he basically nailed 95% of it. Yes. That's 1998. He said that. He was early, but he was definitely right. Also his whole class, which we've talked about before, that there's been books written about with Spielberg and Lucas and Coppola. All of them are kind of hitting the end of some sort of road, right? Of course, this is about to transition in those 2000s, which were really interesting. He's about to take off and become kind of the winner of this coming moment, which is really interesting, because Dupalma for a period of time was kind of big dog in the world. Lucas is transitioning into, I'm just going to redo the IP I did before. Of course, a corporate dog. Spielberg has his crazy minority report, like he's moving into that post-save and private Ryan world. Dupalma kind of does nowhere to go. He demands a lot of control on his movies, too, and you can tell that he's not able to convince people to let him make the stuff he wants to make. I mean, he's only made four movies in the last 25 years. Some more stuff to talk about this movie we're going to take quick break. This episode is brought to you by Paypal. Let's talk about holiday shopping. Make the most of your money with Paypal. They give you the flexibility to pay in for. No fees, no interest, and save the offer in the Paypal app to get 5% cash back when you pay later. So whether you're shopping for an ugly sweater or a work gala, Paypal helps you make the most of your money this holiday, all you have to do is save the offer in the Paypal app. Expires 1231, see paypal.com/
[email protected]/payin4paypalincNMLS910457. A couple of actor stuff to talk about this. Evil Gary Sinise. That's great stuff. So I was thinking we were one evil Sinise movie away from evil Sinise month we could have done. Ranger Game. Stake Eyes and Ransom. We already did ransom. But you want to reransom. I got to say I love ransom. We could have evil Sinise then is ransom the peak of evil Sinise. He is. So I'm going to ask you what's the most evil Sinise? I think it's ransom. I think it's ransom. I got the reindeer games in there.
right? Rainier games is in there. But Rainier games is not as, I like Rainier games, unfortunately. I like it too. It's like, it adds a go to pressure, but that was a DVD classic for me. Yeah. That was it. We got to do Frankenheimer month, you know, 52 pick up around get that going out of Frankenheimer. But like, when is it about Sunista that you just make it like, oh, man, this motherfucker. He's got that thing, like even at the end of ransom where the kid his, his, here's his voice. Yeah. I mean, himself like Gary has that thing, that intensity, that face where he can go from somebody because he does this in, does this in ransom and also in this movie. Yeah. When he goes from a face that you're supposed to trust. And then as soon as the turn happens, he is legitimately a face that you can revile in one thing. And like, and he does the flip, he's, he feels like he's evil. And then he looks at the end like he's like, it's, he can do either things. So effectively, that it works in moves. I don't, what is, who is the modern day garrison? There is. I mean, these kinds of actors who are like, he was pretty much a star. Yeah. You know, Academy Awards. Because he had the pilot 13 piece too and gun and gump. I'm gump. He's so famous. Yeah. I mean, that's a really interesting thing where it's he's got this incredible stage background. He transitions to Hollywood and he gets cast in big Hollywood movie after big Hollywood movie, whether he's the hero or the villain. And he's not a heartthrob. He's not always the villain, right? He's not like JT Walsh or something like he is, no, he feels like he's a little more lady man-ish. But he's like that we're really weird blend between character actor and leading man, right? Where like he could carry a movie. It's probably not ideal if he's carrying your movie. But if he's in the number two spot, like in a movie like this, he's got to be good. Yeah. It's like he is a super duper talented, like backup quarterback. Right. Where the Jeff Hostet learns of movies, yeah. So where you kind of don't know like what to do with them, but he can definitely be a crazy addition to your team if in fact he has to carry the team. What's your Sunnis relationship, correct? Gump and Apollo. Just see that. See, he's a good guy in those movies. Yeah. But just a really awesome steady, it's like side character. Oh, yeah, it's good. Everything. I like Gary Sunnis. Yeah, I don't know who he is now. Who's like that guy who can then be the bad guy and stuff like. But you know what? Can I tell you something? The American character actor of that ilk, like you've talked a lot about, I think it's an interesting observation about sort of the next great Italian American actor that can like, you know, what you're talking about, Leo Doe or, you know, the rest of these guys and running the narrative. Like just the stalwart American character actor, like who are those guys now? They're on TV. Yeah. I mean, it's not something movies are even sold on anymore. They're plenty of them, but Sunnis is a, is an unusual one. So I was just thinking of one of my favorite Sunnis parts is a, he's Stu Redman in the stand adaptation, which was on TV in the 90s. And he's, you know, I always love that. That's kind of my bonfire, levandities where I saw it in an age where I was like, this is my favorite thing of all time. If you watch it now, it's a little harder to sit through, but he's so good as Stu. And that's serious. Yeah. But that movie is still terrifying to me. Yeah. I love that. Who's the guy that plays Randall Flag in that one? Jamie Sheridan. Another stage actor. Jamie Sheridan. Like, that's a mini series, but that's still like a haunting, terrifying, weird movie. Sunnis is good, because it's like, he's a stage actor. He didn't really want to get into Hollywood, but he really loves it. And he really takes it. And then like 10 years later, it's like, see you side in New York with Gary Sunnis. It didn't need to jump like 10 years. You're seeing it on the bed, get the blue lights. Well, money's good, right? That really likes money. It's up to you every minute. It's like a fucking set set. New York set. That's great. If you look at him, William Peterson. Yeah. Like, a lot of those guys ended up finding their homes on shows like that. Their trusted faces that let you know that a procedural or something like that is a serious piece of art. And who came up playing cops and detectives in movies and then they transitioned, yeah. And then they killed movies. We need to Peterson interview for the 40th anniversary of to love and die in L.A. You're guy Bill. Yeah. He has an acting in 15 years and they asked him why and he's like, cause I've done everything. I don't need to do anything anymore. I love when I hang out with my kids and my grandkids at live in Chicago. I have a great life. That's nice. I played every part I've wanted to play. I respected. Yeah. I loved it. I was like, you do your thing William Peterson. I just gave us man Hunter. Man Hunter. Fantastic. Like, I just kept waiting for the role or the moment. I guess JK Simmons is one of those actors that we were talking about. Yeah. I kept waiting for the role. I kept waiting for the JK Simmons moment like the later in life, but yeah, the big supporting part. The I'm in whiplash. Now you guys. So it wasn't fair with Mark Wahlberg. For you. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. I fuck with that movie. It's very hard. I mean, people keep hearing me saying it's very hard to mention movies that I really don't fuck with. Yeah. Well, like 1991 to 1997. It's kind of like, they're all good. Yeah. They really are. All the way to 99. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching the last hour. I was doing some work and I wanted to put on something. So I was flipping cable and fight club was on, which we've already done. And I was watching the last hour of fight club kind of halfheartedly as I'm doing football stuff. And then I just started watching the last 50 minutes and then it ended with the pixie song. And I was like, we just, I was and things are blowing up and he's staring at the window and whereas my mind comes in, I was like, man, we used to fucking make great things in this country. I think we have enough to make that one now. The movie interrogates too many things. I mean, it's a nuts movie. If they made it, it would probably be a little over rock, a little two-self-series. That movie's winking at you a little bit in a way. It's very faithful to the book, too. I don't know, man. What? Adding to in one battle, these movies are pretty angry and pretty much about what's going on. Like, it happens. It just doesn't necessarily happen in the same way. They are, but they're and they're and they're there. They're there is a specific great movie. There's a specific critique and question that Fight Club asks that would turn so many people off now. It feels like the whole conversation around masculinity, the fact that hurting people makes these guys feel there would be a thousand really annoying thing pieces. There were then. I mean, it was not, it didn't happen. There were more of that perception. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. I guess I was part of one of those things. I was a very angry 17-year-old who came out and I was like, this is clearly the greatest film ever made. I like this. There will never be another better movie than this. I've had like a weird relationship to it over the years, but maybe you could cite that movie as kind of like the end of an era in some ways. Like, it is, it is 99. It is kind of like closing the book on that. Why 2K really did shift us from here to here and it's hard to explain. Not literally. Not the computers. It just felt. Everything felt slightly different after why 2K and I don't know why and then 9/11 was the other big catalyst, but it just that that late 90s just felt like something. And snake eyes came out. I was like, every movie will be cool forever, you know? Like to go see a movie like this in theaters, you're like, yeah, of course this was pretty good. And I do. I think I came out the same weekend as Halloween H2O and saving Private Ryan came out the week before. It was just like, that's kind of what we did back then, right? That's right. I was just so in the movies. Yeah. I was in, I was at a city place, so I was just in the movie theater. But man, Stefan worked there. He was definitely was looking up at the tickets, like I would, he was definitely was the man. But like I was just so in to movies, I was found myself there all the time at that point. And I think that it used to be that it was like, you could just make a movie and cool was the barometer. It's just cool. Yeah. It's just like, you make a, I was watching so I made it an axe murder. Yeah. All the time classic. Like a couple weeks ago. Well, they made this movie now a movie where it's, well, they, it's just a, I mean, there's a whole MTV type of ecosystem because you have the making of the movie type of, like Marzo and I haven't taken about this. Yeah. Well, they made just a cool story now that didn't like, so I'm very, they made that movie. One thing I'm really surprised hasn't happened because we've talked about many times over the years, the SNL to movie pipeline on pods, how there has not been a streaming movie pipeline for SNL actors where you're like, oh, this, this person's kind of, like Chloe Feynman's got, kind of got something, but maybe he doesn't need her own TV show. But maybe let's give her a $20 million Netflix movie and see what happens. I mean, they kind of take this off. Please don't destroy it. It was on peacock. Yes. And it bought. But that was supposed to be a theatrical movie that shot Apatab produced and like it didn't turn out and then they put it on streaming. I'm talking about like, shouldn't there be like a little decision or a thing where he's like, right now he's a perfect example. Yeah. I'm like, that guy's just funny. He could tell he's funny. He could carry something, make it low stakes. So I'm right next murder isn't the greatest movie of all time, but it was like, it was a road tester. But this is the problem with comedies now and why horror movies have, have just keep ascending and they just have not figured out comedy at all the way that we had them in the 90s. Because now it's, you just put them on Netflix or Amazon or whatever it's been, no money. Let these guy, young guys take some of that. They don't want to take the abats. I'm with you. Yeah, I get back to snake eyes, but I will say about that particular, I know, I know, I know what I'm saying, but I will say it with that particular movie. If you, you look at the movie, right? And as Mike Myers during this thing, it's like almost like a pilot for awesome powers. Yes. Because he plays the dad. Yeah. He's singing the, um, it's going to cry himself tonight on a huge bill. Yeah. Yeah. The whole nine right. Son. He moved. He's doing all of that stuff. And you're like, it's a virtual planetoid, right? he's seeing the raw stewards all
it's, it's terrible, right? And it's almost like proof that that guy can play those characters in a movie that it works as proof of concept. And it's kind of like they don't do that anymore. You know why? Because they ever think everything. We talked about this with dirty work. They're just like, Norm McDonald's will figure it out. We don't need a full script. Yeah. Perfectly said he'd be able to have two days on the set will figure it out. I think they spend too much time over thing. What do you think it is, Craig? I mean, part of it is your generations fault. Yeah. You guys killed comedy. Yeah. Well, we're trying to bring it back. I think that SNL doesn't cast the same type of people anymore as also part of it. Like they're not. I don't think there's a lot of people who are trying, who are like character actors on SNL anymore. Yeah. It is, it's rare that they bring somebody in who can do like 10 different characters. It's not really like what they do anymore. So I don't even think the pipeline is set up to work because it's completely different and casting now. Yeah. Shane, Shane could have done it. I mean, Shane doing tires is basically like a 90 minute comedy in the 1990s. That's it. That actually replaced his movie, his dirty work. Yeah. Back to this. We never talked about Carla. Who's going to go first? Count Dan. This is a real Venn diagram for Bill Van Sean. Yeah. This is one of the real like, you know, we've talked about this. We got to be professionals. We met on a cold, dark night. Yeah. This conversation stays in a deep reddit board. Yeah. Look, man, sometimes people just don't find the right. Sometimes they just don't find the right roles. And there's, we talk about like in the 70s and 80s, it was just because they didn't have good roles. In her case, the role, I just, I don't know whether it's her fox. She couldn't read the scripts like they know which ones to do. No, no director saw what was sitting there. I'd love to know how many great roles she finished in second place. Right. And it was, and you guys got to think, man, we're talking about, first of all, I want to say she's having fantastic career. All right. She is great career. She is great. Very successful. In the 90s, where we're talking about, we're talking about the rise with Julia Roberts as a strength hole. But then right under Julia, they're Sandra Bullock. There's Cameron Diaz. It, this is, but don't forget the friend's thing. And it's like if you put her on friends as Rachel, I think she's like an A puslister. She's just never had the one thing, but all of this though, this is a crowded, crowded feel. And she took the Sarah Jessica Parker who she was in Miami. Well, she was in Miami Rhapsody. That's exactly who I was going to say. I was like Sarah Jessica Parker had the kind of career she could have had. She could've been it. Could Carla have been the Carrie Bradshaw? I definitely. Because the thing about her is she could be in a romcom. She could be in a movie like this. I think she could've been in like an early 80s to Palma movie. Like she could have played the Deborah Sheldon character and body double. And every guy was in love with her. Devastating. And I thought she was a good actress. And she's funny. Like at the end when she's turning on the charm with Nick Cage. And you're like, this guy's a fucking loser. Why do you worry? But I believe it. Yeah. There's a hot moment there where both Carla Gugino and Connie Britton were on SpinCity. And I was like, what is what is happening? I was thinking about how long it took for Connie Britton. It took and then it was Coach Taylor. And it's like, oh, yeah, Connie Britton. She's arrived. Yeah. She's just, I'll just be very frank, just insanely hot in Snake Eyes. Like it is insane. How hot she is, at least to me in this movie. And it is weird because she's like still working and doing really good work. But there are a few people like we've talked about on the show over the years, where you're like one turn of the dial. And it would have been a different career. Right. You see her now. She's in the Mike Flanagan stuff a lot. She's doing a lot of different stuff. She's all she's a presence and a deal. But yeah, it's weird. The last seven, eight years was probably the best run she's had from an IMDB standpoint. Well, she had she had Karen Cisco. That was supposed to be a big TV show. That didn't pop, you know, but she did she was in the Cameron Crow roadies that show time show. That didn't work. That seems like it should have. It's it's it's once again, it's somebody that you always feel like is who's having a great, great career, but you feel like there's one role away from that next echelon of startup. Like she probably was looking at Aniston, like I could fucking have her lunch. I'll be honest with you. Well, I'm looking at the list of roles here. It's very, very she took my I'm a rap city as a movie that I love. It's really fun. It's really fun. It's really fun. She's really going to need Carla. She's great. Yeah. Sarah Jessica Parker, Antonio Bandaris. It's kind of like free willing. Jeremy Piven, story of love and relationships that takes place in Miami. It's like really interesting. There's some Amanda Pete parts she could have played. That's a good comp too. It's just I just think you're right. I think it was a load added comedic activity with dramatic draft class. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then you know, later on, her career just keeps shunning. She's in Sin City, which is a role that I really, really enjoyed from her. Did you? Yeah. That was what you think was the best part. I thought she brought a lot to the table in since yeah, like a lot. Anything specific. Not some things were unexpected, but I liked that it happened. Yeah. Well, if you guys want to just get into the whole thing, it's good film. It's funny. Like she never had, like even if she'd put that on Pompeo part in old school, some sort of thing that just was like on all the time for 25 years. She never had that movie. She's like, oh, my wife, which is True Beverly Hills. Oh, come on. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. To Eileen, she'll always be the girl from True Beverly Hills. Oh, no, you love it. Well, in this movie, she tests missile results for power aircraft. They're building it. Which one? Speak on True Beverly Hills. Just I want your opinion. I'm never having seen it 45 years. Whatever. Yeah. Beverly Hills. What up? Can we talk about how Carla was? Carla was testing missile results, which I'm just getting rid of this. Yeah. Special category. We don't get to give up much. The Elizabeth shoe is an Oxford electrochemist award for most ridiculous casting. I was hoping that would fall to me. Didn't get me that category. That was going to be yours. Yeah, of course. Wow. My bad, correct. I knew it was going to go. What does, because I always bring this roll up when we do this one. Denise Richards as that's the, that could probably be the title of nuclear businesses. Her name is Dr. Christmas Jones. Yeah. I remember she's on Jay Leno and Jay Leno coast. Nuclear scientists. Dr. Christmas Jones. And she goes, I can play science. Like, what, when we do this, is this category? What do you need to play a science? I think it's more age is the issue. Yeah. I don't know why 26 year old missiles. They're so specific about this. She's like, I'm 26. You could have been 31, right? 26. It's very strange. We also have a very crowded that guy, and graduated that guy group. This is, is this the that guy movie of the 90? There's been others, but it's a good one. Louis Kuzman Stan Sean, John heard Mike star, who's the guy who dies for me. The peppers and thumb and dumber and was in a million. My movie is great. Paul on that being Mike star. Yeah. Kevin Dunn, who was that guy from Dave, who was the dad and mad love and was just in a lot of 90's movies. Yeah. And then Michael was foley, who was grandma and rounders in this in the same year, and you're going to the soprano. Yeah. Go for the soprano and finish the second again, though, Phoenix, tough 98 for wrist bowling. He must have really felt like the world was right in front of him. Yeah. You know, he's I'm going to Brian to Palm movie. I'm in this exciting movie with Matt Damon and Edward Norton. I'm going to be Tony soprano. Yeah. The same field show is Jackie, right? Yeah. Yeah. He is up as Jackie. So it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy. You miss one. Janard Burke's. You know, that is, which one was that? So in devil and a blue dress. Remember the movie, devil and a blue dress? Yeah. He plays in the movie. I never forget this. It's one of the great cuckings in any movie that's ever happened. In devil and a blue dress, it takes place easy, goes over to this guy's house, and he has sex with his wife while the guy is sleeping. Do you remember this? Yes. Least in the cold car. In the old room. Yeah. Yeah. Continue. Yeah. He has sex with his wife. That's his life is sleep, huh? That's, that's this guy. He's like, he's like a, because he says, at least in the cold car, since Karen, he goes, your man is sleeping in the other room. She doesn't care. She's like, he's so drunk. He's knocked out. And then they do it in John Arbor's place. The guy that gets cooked and it was shout out to him. He's been on a lot of stuff. But there's a that girl in this, too. That girl from devil's advocate, the black witch lady. Oh, yeah. She's in the first scene. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What's her name? Now it's her. Tamara Tunis. I don't know him. Yeah. I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah. Written by David Kep, who apparently is the fourth most successful screenwriter ever by box office. He wrote Jurassic Park among many other movies. Four of the worlds. Carlito's way, Mission Impossible, Spider-Man, also directed set of movies that weirdly, the trigger effect, Stirre Vecco's, Secret Window, they're all kind of the same weird, strange movie. I, I, he's had a amazing career. Really good. He is considered one of the like geniuses of screenwriting. Have you guys done the trigger effect? No. Would you do the trigger effect? Probably not. I like it. Another movie that came out in the 90s where I was like, the - The concept alone is so cool to me. - Elizabeth Schoo. - Yeah.
Another actress that's right there crowding up crabs even last day. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. For Carly, would you like another? It's I'm telling you it's a deep. She got boxed out. Yeah. We could have had that first sight, you know, with, I don't know, is that now? Now it's another one here. Sort of you know, she was also there. What's in your sort of thing? I'm telling you there's a lot going on with Paul. I'm thinking of the same. Towards the end. It's like a lot of. You know what at first sight is? No. It's a drama that's now comedy. Okay. Valkomers blind, but there's an operation where he can get his sight back. So he can see things for about 30 minutes in the movie and falls in love with Maris Serbino. But guess what? The surgery had after effects and he's going to lose his sight again. And now he has to decide what's important to him. They go to a hockey game at one point. Why don't we do dramas that are now comedy months? I have it. I have it. I've done all the work. At first sight, regarding Henry Driven Month. I saw at first sight in high school on a first date with a girl who loved it. And I broke up with her after that. That was it. That's true story. You're over it. Regarding Henry as unintentional comedy is going to be a really interesting movie to do. There's another one for dramas that are now comedy month that I might be the only one that thinks it's funny, but legends of the fall is hilarious now. I haven't seen it in a long time. It's that was like a very serious drama that is now like laugh out loud funny. Man, that's just another movie in a never ending chapter of my mama's white boy thing. There's every once in a while, my mama would say something that will really piss my dad off. You want that to be a month fan? Yeah. My mama's white boy thing. My mama watched legends of the fall. I told you about the The Man Louise story. Yes. Yeah. My mom goes. Your mom's like Brad Pitt. She goes, I just saw the finest white boy I ever seen before in my life. And then she's watching legends of the fall. And she just says he keeps getting finer. What's going on? My father could not handle it. She just think when she went to see once, once upon a time in Hollywood, did she go? No, she didn't see. She's over it now. She's militant again. 73 million dollar budget for 73 million dollar budget for snake eyes. It made 103.9 million dollars. And our guy Raj. Oh no. He won't start it. I think the fourth one star he got from Raj. He said, it's the worst kind of bad film. The kind that gets you all worked up and then let you down instead of being lousy from the first shot. Damn. Yeah, settle down, Raj. Come on. He said he loved the steady cam shot in the beginning. And then he just thought it fell apart. Man, oh man, oh man. Interesting. Yeah. He get howling two two stars. And this movie one star. Yeah. He was sometimes Raj was just being a bad mood. Cranky. Yeah. Cranky. This is a this is a tough review. Oh, you read it? Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough one. Most of you watchable scene. It's brought to you by the Home Depot. Black Friday happening now at the Home Depot, which means it's the perfect time to add to your collection. And right now when you buy a select battery kit from top brands like Ryobi. Ryobi. Ryobi. Ryobi or Milwaukee. You'll get a select tree for free with black Friday deals like these. The Home Depot has got you covered. We mentioned for the first rewatchable scene, the opening one shot. In the running for best overacting of Cage's career. He's going because I was big for the sewer, baby. I'm the king. He's just screaming for no reason. It wasn't like an ace mature moment for me. Like when I sit down and watch Ace from door, it took me 10 minutes to be like, yo, why is he acting like this? And then you got it. But when Tyler, when you got, when you saw an occasion issue, like, yo, what the fuck is going on? He's supposed to be on cocaine. Yeah, he's like, he's well, there's the cocaine. My ass line at the end of the movie. I think indicates he likes to indulge in this fight night. I think it's a reasonable to assume that said. Cage is kind of like this in a lot of movies. Yeah. This is a nine and a half out of 10 on the cage. He's nuts. Yes. An all time dial up by him. Really cool scene. It's great when you can see him nailing the synchronization with the crowd. Like there's a moment when he is watching the fight and he stands up and as he stands up, the whole, and he yells something and then the whole crowd stands up behind him where it's like, that is to get that many extras to work at the same time is master filmmaker Aplushit. That's not CGI. All those people in the crowd. That's like hundreds, maybe thousands of extras. I think it helps the rewatch ability of the movie too. Because it's it's like it definitely like I have a fuck that they do this for 10 minutes. Also very skilled. He's going back and forth between the girlfriend and the wife on the gold flip phone, the pizza with the wife, the birthday with the girlfriend. Yeah. And they let you figure it out, right? They're not like over explaining everything. You're just the movie just drops you into his world. You get like one second to set up and then we're going. The shooting scene itself. Pretty good. When he watches the video, the knockout punch, where he realizes it's a sunny list and situation right into Carla wiping blood off in the bathroom. So I just put it for Van. That's seen alone. I think it's worth spending some time on alone. Yeah. Just right there. Hey, the blood. Just the angle that he chooses. I think it's really interesting. You know, you get the blood off once again, the palma. Yeah. You keep thinking that he's going to go for it. Yeah. There's a change of clothes happening to something. Yeah. I admire the restraint. I admire the restraint as well. Um, as a girl, who is it? Maybe the next scene I wrote down stand shot and Nick Cage screaming at each other. Uh, it's in all time. Ruffalo, Hannah Rubinick, Partridge, combo overacting work. They're just screaming for two minutes. Yeah. Well, I'll come back to that. Flashback, um, to the redhead pulling, um, pulling Sunnis away from the fight. That whole, I like when the palma goes backwards. Oh, it's fun. The elevator chase, the overhead shot of the Atlantic City rooms. I'm thrown in the Malley Rubin word for it. This movie need a better sex scene here. I feel like one of those rooms could have had some freaky Atlantic City shake going on. The palm is like, you know what? I'm older now. I'm wiser. I'm not going to put that in. Not the spray beer on each other, you know, which is just weird. Yeah. That's right. Uh, Carla tells her story to Nick Cage on the staircase. I thought I'd get fired, not killed. Um, the palma goes split screen. As she's telling the story, I always liked how the palmo would use boxes and split screens. I just feel like a not enough directors do that. I think multiple things at the same time. By the way, even when the Dodgers won the World Series, I would have gone split screen multiple boxes so we can see three different things happening at the same time. Yeah, that was discount. What are TVs are better now? What do you do with the things that were like for the Dodgers? No, like we're, we see the people on the mound celebrating, but then they split screen and we also see the people in the dugout celebrating. I got to give a shout out to my friend John Dimarsico who does the directs the Metz broadcast because he's, this has been written about many times when he's a huge centafile and in the baseball broadcast that he directs, he constantly is using all of those. Oh, really? He has like a huge, he's a huge department fan has all kinds of department, you just Google him and look up all the stuff he's done. You'll just be watching a Metz game and he'll just pull a move from Scarface in the middle of the Metz game. That's really cool. I'm talking about. Okay, sounds like you're soul mate. He is the man. Does he hate his sports life like you do or not? I don't think he has as tortured a relationship to the Metz society. He sees them as a vessel for his creativity much like De Palma sees Karla Gugino in this case. You almost got passed by Earl Hawani this weekend because he almost had the back-to-back days of the Blue Jays, the Blue Jays series, then the bills blow in the Chiefs game. Yeah, what we share, Ariel and I share the next. Yeah, and you had the Halberton game in May. Thanks for reminding me. Yeah, sorry, great stuff. Cage finds the hidden video of Sines, the classic, you're like, oh man, you just have your back to that door for too long. We're gonna see the legs going down this. And there it is. It's Sines. I really like when bad guys explain why they did what they did and you're kind of like, I see his point. Yeah. He's trying to save the country. You feel like Sines has a point. He's trying to save the country with something that doesn't really work. He's a bad guy. But at least he seems a little conflicted, but I think he's just a good actor. He seems a little, as he's telling it, he's like, I know this is kind of fucked up, but here's how we got to this point versus like, I'm evil. Is he just rationalizing his own greed? Totally, totally, but I bought it. It's been doing it. Yeah. I was like, okay, it's also you guys see House of Dynamite. Like this is a plot point in House of Dynamite where it's like, this technology might not work. You know, it's like there's only a 50, 50% chance of these anti-ballistic muscles. I saw the first episode of House of Dynamite. I didn't get to say so yet. Okay. I saw the part. It was it was about to get to where the bomb was and then the credits came up. So I just, I'm going to wait till next week to finish it. Okay, let us know when you finish the season. Yeah. It's not, I mean, it's not good. It's really not. It's, again, in the second one, he has a curse in the first one. By the way, Nick Cage smoking this, these Sean Penn, I brought my own pack of word for excellence on screen smoking underrated smoker. Nick Cage. Yeah. Just kind of kind of could have it dangling in the right way. It was a very believable. Yeah. Almost as though he has partaken. We also, Van, we get somebody says the name of the movie in the, in the, in the dialogue. Love that. You got nothing kiddo. Snake eyes. The house always wins. Great. You did it. Love it. You worked that time. He runs it back too at the end. He runs it back. Yeah. There's no we Kevin. You got snake eyes with the chest suicide, which we don't see a lot in the action thrillers. I have some notes. I love it. Yeah. But you like the chest suicide. I think it's
smart, open, open coffin, but he's like, I have to turn my back, he's thinking he was looking at his family on in your brain. Chesu said, you don't see it in action boot. You think he'll be getting like a really a formal military funeral after his actions? And then last but not least, the fall of Richard Santoro, which happens for reasons we'll discuss later. But let's share about three watchable St. John, steady camp. So the opening scene is no question, the best scene, the most memorable scene in the movie for me. Good, you know, notwithstanding. But I do like all four flashback sequences or basically all of the POV sequences. So you get, you see it through Rick Santoro's eyes in that opening scene. You see it through Tyler Lincoln's eyes when he's telling his version of the story. You see it through Kevin Dunn's eyes when he's telling his false version of the story. And then you see it through Julia Castello's eyes, Gugino's character when they're sitting on the steps. You know, it's obvious homage to Rashomon and a lot of movies about the failure of memory. But you mentioned it when you were describing them, like every time he goes back, even though we're seeing something that we think we already know, he manages to turn the key just a little bit differently, which makes it to me a huge improvement on a movie like House of Dynamite, which does a very similar thing way worse. Yeah. And there is a way to do this kind of storytelling and make it very exciting. I don't know if how this movie concludes, find the final 10 minutes a little tough, but everything leading up to that, I think is really engaging. So the open is obviously like you're saying, the best stuff to me. However, the specific scene where Gary Sennese, he turns bad and you see that he is really bad, not turns bad. You actually see what he is. For me is, was I just way more compelling than I remember it in this particular time where he's executing his accomplices and all of that stuff. To me, it just, it worked a lot better, like after that, that's a real turning point in the movie to where this guy embodies, scumbag, asshole, well acted, very high leverage. So that really worked for me. Do you guys buy them as old friends? Good question. They have, they have different energies. They do and they need it something else, they're needed to be, their old friends, yeah, cool, we get it. But they're needed to be something else that undergirded their friendship. Are we supposed to believe that they were in the service together? Either that or like high school. Well, it's said that they were friends like childhood friends, but did they all, did, was Nick Cage's character, did he serve, like I couldn't figure that out. Gary Sennese's character has such a faith in his ability to come work for like the state department or something like that. It's almost as if he knows that he has a set of skills that can be useful on the federal level because of something they can do together, yeah. That was today's most re-ratchable scene brought to by The Home Depot. Time to check out the Black Friday savings that The Home Depot, so go online or in-store to check out the best deals of the season. Stock up on tools for all your upcoming projects. Black Friday savings happening now at The Home Depot. This will be fun. Next category. 1998 thing about this movie, a couple nominees for you. Okay. Huge heavyweight fights in Atlantic City. This was my number one. Yeah, that's the obvious. The 90s were like, Atlantic City was the place for nine years and then it died. This was right in the heart of Tyson Holyfield when those two fights formed at a couple there. Yeah, yeah. Those two fights were right in that 96, 97, 98. Vegas was making a very direct move to become like not just a place where you gamble and have, but the actual entertainment capital of the entire world. There was a very direct corporate move to Vegas and that's what ended up happening to Atlantic City. Just Vegas just had the support of all the big hotel chains. Vegas got it back in the early 2000s, the fights all came back. Yeah. I mean, at the end of it, it started to be like you couldn't have a big fight in AC anymore. Yeah. You couldn't be out there. Next 1998 cell phone, that's the other one I wrote down, the golden bossed flip phone. It's the most 98 thing ever. It's like you could you couldn't even fit it in your jeans pocket. I saw people caring about the defense secretary. What do you mean? Pete hangs out this in the news every day. Just people like, oh, he's here. He's at the fight. It's like 1998. I would not have cared that the defense secretary was in a fight. I have people clapping for the defense secretary, still a situation to where people went, hey, somebody high up in the government, yay. The only other one I have is at some point, one of the characters says, we got a goddamn Columbo around running loose. You know, Columbo is only because of poker face. Okay. Oh. What's the Columbo hasn't trickled down? Columbo. Not really. I was, that's a good show. Steve Kathy Bates to bring him back. It's a very enjoyable TV show. What is the best for you? Yeah. Yeah. One more thing. Yeah. One more thing. If someone's having it like, you're watching it, you're like, you're fucked. Columbo knows. I like Quincy. I was a Quincy guy. Never saw that. That's what the doctor corner MD. Yeah. The Quincy MD of all of those detectives. If you're in a draft of TV detectives, what do you got to tell you, Savales? Well, Cojack. Cojack. Cojack. Cojack. I guess is the answer. Dan Taney. Robert Dirk. He got down. Even his like a system was high down. He was just surrounded by the latest. That's not what we were talking about. We were talking about. That's my favorite one. Who's the best at solving crimes? You freak. Oh, Quincy. Quincy could use corner shit. Well, I feel like he was a cop who could also do all the tops of the victim. Like nobody can beat that. It's crazy. I did for TV show. It's not enough to just be a detective. You could also fit a quarter. Well, he would he would look up at Sam as assistant and go, it wasn't suicide. Sam, it was murder. Okay. Just different situation because one guy is legal and the other guy is medical. Yeah. As far as doctors who are also somehow detectives, yeah, do you have Quincy or House M.D.? Because House M.D. House M.D. House M.D. House M.D. House M.D. Was looking to some shit and give you House M.D. was the man. House M.D. Was good. I didn't watch it. Yeah. No interest. What's the best in athlete falling into debt and having to do something legal? Huh. Shit. Wow. I wish that wasn't topical right now. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. It's a couple of these. You're going to be able to say, man, don't just talk about the players. Show them off you. Oh, yeah. It's my people. Yeah. I don't really want to talk about it as much. Uh, what do you have for what's your best shot? Uh, interesting how you kicked it to me. I mean, this is a very topical film right now, right? Let's do that part later. Okay. Yeah. I have another spot for that. Um, I think the, uh, my stro movie is like a thing where it's like, let this guy cook. Like, we're going to, we're only making this movie because this guy knows how to make movies feel fucking awesome. Like, this is something that is also kind of gone now from movies. But as I said, like, this is maybe the 10th or 11th best Brian De Palma movie. Yeah. But it is one of the most watchable movies of the 1990s. And it is only that way because he can see the movie in his head. And he makes it so special in the style he has. So I don't know. There's just not. That has aged nicely. We don't get those as often as we used to. Cool. I have the moment in action thrillers when we realized someone we thought we knew is the bad guy. There's always that. Like in this movie, he's, Sinese is walking the hallway and he kind of, somebody's going ahead and he kind of stops and he looks around and you're like, oh, no. It's you. You're the bad guy. Yeah. And he just gets on his phone. But those moments are always fun. Um, Sinese has a bad guy. We talked about, did we have another acceptable loss? Like acceptable losses. Yeah. But a good fantasy team name. Um, in a word for the random guy who didn't do anything wrong in an action thriller but has to die anyway, we might have to consider for this next batch when we do our 26. In this case, the guy who thinks he's getting laid by Carla and takes her up to the room. And that guy just gets shot with the silencer. It's like, did that guy do anything wrong? That's what's aged the best to me. What? That guy getting murdered? Yeah. That guy being used by. I thought the same thing. I forgot the guy's name. He was on Malcolm. It's not Josh. It's not Josh. It's pre Josh. It's pre Josh. It's got before the cat. Yeah. Um, pre got that guy being used by a hot woman. Yeah. For her own thing. Yeah. Thinking that he's the man. I never understand. So you're that dude. Shout out to the Josh guy. Josh God. Yeah. Josh God. You're that guy. Yeah. You're at AC. Yeah. One night. Carla Gino. For some reason, shows interest in you. It's over. Yeah. She's, she's wearing a white mini skirt and a black bomber jacket that zipped up with only a bra underneath. And she comes up to you and's like, yeah, let's go up to you. And you don't in any way. Do you have air conditioning? I do. Yeah. Right. You don't in any way. Think. Because as a guy, that guy just knows he's hot. He came to AC to fall. Yeah. And now it's about that. Whatever happens in AC in Vegas. He's not a very nice guy. That character. You know, when she's like, I'm in trouble. He's like, did he just put that wedding ring back on very pointedly? Okay. So I was a silencer. So here's the thing. No, he's not.
a nice guy and the wedding ring thing is fucked up, but him actually at the moment that he realizes that it's not going to go down putting some distance between him and her, that's smart. Yeah. Hey, I don't want there to be any type of, like, you know what, you're not down. Let's, let's, let's end the night right here. Well, let's age the worst for this is in now in 2025, you just assume this, this woman who's all the sudden randomly interested you is going to drug you in your room and take all your stuff. Yeah, because there's been a lot more awareness of that, the last 25 years, especially in Vegas in the Atlantic. Literally. Literally happen to a friend of mine. I will not say who that friend is, but literally happen to a friend in New Orleans in Las Vegas. Um, I blame who? Here's one for Sean. I'm not casting any blame. Here's a one stage the best for Sean, to palm at Easter eggs in pivotal moments that we circle back to the bring that you're watching this live for the first time. Here comes the pain and it's basically the owl and blow out, but it's like, man, he's really interested in this owl and then it's like, oh, he's John Travolta's character is going to watch this video and it's like, oh, there's the owl hooting before he says that though, we do see that he's wearing in your piece. And that you, that's a dead giveaway that something is up. Yeah. Yeah. Um, dirty cops who decide once and for all, nobody's going to buy me anymore, I was like that movie. Oh, I've been bought for one last time. I think another time I've seen that, um, I just have to mention a Palestinian sniper terrorist assassinating someone over their cooperation with Israel is topical in 2025. It is. I'm going to move on. Snake eyes was the last brand to palm of film for which Steven Spielberg viewed the rough cut. It's an official end of the group. Oh, they're not fucking with each other anymore. And they just kind of got old. It's like college buddies who don't really talk anymore. God damn it. Are you telling me that there's an end to the bill image Joe House run for me? Wow. Wow. No. So I will say the Palma is interviewed in the new Martin Scorsese doc, Mr. Scorsese. And it's a, he's great in it because he's known Scorsese for 60 years. But he's still a little competitive with them. And you can tell. Yeah. Like, how come this guy got five parts but that better is 100 minutes when, when, when I was getting into movies and I just thought there, those guys' relationship was so awesome. My Spielberg comes on the set of Scarface and he's like, dude, dude, dude, that, all of that stuff. And then one day, like all things, it must end. It is cool though that it's like, let me just call it my best friend who's also the greatest living filmmaker and he'll just help me on one day. That is fucking awesome. And like, this is the way, and then that scene becomes fucking, but it's, it's also a testament to the collaborative nature of these guys and, you know, it's like when Craig asked me for advice from the fantasy football show, I just pop in like Spielberg. Cortes, move this around. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever thought about hyphids? Maybe not doing. So Craig, this Spielberg in this, in this analogy, like a Soderberg. The pump. Yeah. I have one last, what takes the best. Trump. Who I think would have heard out his at Lanx City Casino for just about anything in the 90s, being like, yeah, this is a little rich for me. It's this whole evil casino owner. So can you make that the pal millennium instead and they don't use the Trump? Yes. Very surprising that he did not allow them to use this or that he didn't appear in the film himself. Yeah. That's the rule you would have thought. Trump's right there to start. Yeah. So something must happen. John heard though. Love John heard. Hey, it's time for the Sean fantasy word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. One of the great categories of wonderful show. My favorite is the scene when Gugino and Cage are sitting on the staircase and there's an overhead shot of the staircase and showing you all the levels of the stairs and it gives you this sense of disorientation, which is a direct lift from Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo. There's a scene near the end of the film in the in the chapel where we see Stewart looking down the staircase and feeling the sense of disorientation and obviously Dupalma. I think Vertigo is his favorite movie of all time and also one of the most perverse movies ever made about wanting to have sex. I want to actually do it for rewatchables of 2026 because that movie is full-fledged off-the-rails bockers. It is the origin point of so many of our favorite movies in favorite directors. It would be hilarious if they just released that movie in March with Sydney Sweeney as the Kim Novak character and they just gave nobody any context. People would be like, "What the fuck is happening in this movie?" I mean, I will kill myself if that happens, and yet I would watch it like I need to see it first and then kill myself. Would you have for great shot, Gordon, or for most cinematic shot? I had the overhead AC rooms that had a long shot just because I always think about like, "Hey, how'd they do that? Do they have to build all these rooms one by one on a set? Do they still have to match it with the casino?" I think, yeah, I mean, I think it's all sets that they've built. There's a recent example of that in John Wick 4. There's a very similar sequence where they enter an apartment building and it's the entire action sequence takes place overhead that is fucking amazing. But I would not be surprised if they looked at this to do that. It's long. No, have you seen that sequence? Yeah. He has the fire gun. It's crazy. Apparently, in Episode 4 of "Has the Dynamite," there's something like that. I haven't seen it yet. For a minute, a screener. My cinematic shot is when Carl Gugino falls to the floor and her glasses fall on the floor and the camera is all the way on the bottom of the floor and it's just looking at the glasses and you're like, "Oh, no. Somebody's going to step on those glasses and then crunch somebody steps on the glasses." It's good, man. Mine is, there's a sort of pretty long shot through a cracked door at the party with the two guys talking. Yeah. Where it starts with a bunch of hot models smoking crack, and it's like, yeah, it's smoking crack cocaine, which I didn't realize. In Tyler's room. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but there's a long, and it stays there for a second, and you look like you're watching something that you're not supposed to be watching. So it puts you directly, and I like when the camera or the style of the movie puts you in an emotional, like, situation. And you're like, "Is that Bobby Brown?" I don't know where. New addition, getting back together. Just rock well. Brockland is the word for best character name. Lincoln Tyler, the AC executioner. That's pretty good. That's good. AC executioner is really good. I do think the main characters' names are really good in this movie. Yeah. Detective Rick Santoro, Atlantic City PD, and Commander Kevin Dunn, US Naval Service. Commander Kevin Dunn. And they had a Kevin Dunn in the movie, but they didn't change the name of Commander Kevin Dunn. So there was the actor Kevin Dunn from Dave, but then there was a character Kevin Dunn. That's been confusing. What do you have for a flex category, Sean? I chose the, I used to fuck guys like you in prison award for Craziest Quote. It's kind of more of an exchange, but it's very fast. It starts with Kevin Dunn saying, "How's Angela?" And Rick Santoro says, "Fat, fabulous, fantastic. I love her." Then Commander Kevin Dunn says, "How's the other one? What's her name? Candy?" And Santoro says, "Oh, Monique, skinny, mean, expensive. I love her." That's just a great moment in this movie. That's a cage-cooking. The line reading is perfect and sums up what an asshole this guy is. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Week link of the film. Well, let's talk about the title wave. There's supposed to be a title wave in this movie that ends the movie. It was filmed by Industrial Light Magic. You can see some of it online because the original ending or part of it is in there. And for some reason, they bail on this in the post edit, do the different ending, but it explains why when you're watching this. It's thunder, it's rain, people are looking up, the movie begins with them talking about a storm, and then there's no payoff. And I have no idea why they cut it. He has talked about how he ultimately didn't feel that this is what this movie was about. It wasn't a spectacle movie. It was a movie about that entry that Van was talking about at the top. But how did they not know that before they committed to this title wave thing? I think that they weren't happy with how the title wave looked. You can watch the title wave sequence on YouTube. It's on YouTube. It is okay. This is kind of getting into my hottest take, but I think my hottest take is that it's significantly better if you put the title wave back in. Even what's existing. That's why I have it as the week link. I don't know why they took it out. Yeah. It's like that we dance toward it for 90 minutes and then it just doesn't happen. We just deflates and also the Kevin Dunn self assassination, you know, is just weird. Like that whole moment is very strange. Returns us back to the camera and then does put the gun down. We know who you are. It's like how do they know who he is? I think the movie ending with the title wave is to me, like a natural evolution of the chaotic nature of the film. The escalation. Yeah, to where something just kind of like random or not so random, but something that's been building comes along and sweeps everything up. Totally agree with that. You pro title wave. Pro title wave. Yeah. I thought I think that's the very end. Like the Cajun Gajino on the beach, like the kiss, it felt like very outside what the movie was. It felt a little too buttoned up and rom-comy. Yes. What's age the worst? I think if you made this movie in 25, there would have been all the cameras. They would have been trying to, they would have figured out so many weird things about this assassination. How did this girl in the White Tress with the Bon Wiggle and it fell off and who is this and we would have had all this. Are you arguing that? No, I'm saying just 1998, you could get away.
away with an assassination thing like this at a fight and not have people, they didn't even know that blimp thing. No, no, who it was. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, obviously, this whole assassination thing made way more sense in 1998, I think, than it would in 2025. It's an insanely elaborate plan. Right. I mean, with a lot of the people attempting this and with a lot on the line, like at this particular time, it's almost there's one of my picking this is that there's a more efficient way to do what it is that they want. Why did this boxer have to take a dive for them to kill this guy in the front row? I don't fully understand that. Obviously, the enlisting the Palestinian to be the trigger man, but then immediately killing the trigger man is very, you know, shades of JFK, obviously, in this. And then also, I don't really understand Carla Gugino's characters plan either. Like why does she have to use this event to go to the secretary of the fence? It's simpler, much more straight to the point way of everyone getting what they wanted to get accomplished in the movie. You can now watch rewatchables on Spotify and the ringer's first ever television channel. Yeah. You heard me available exclusively on Samsung TV plus the subscription free streaming destination bringing you the best of TV, also really good TV Samsung rewatch some of our greatest hits like Back to the Future, Alien, the Sandler, and many more on the all day ringer channel. You can also settle in and catch up with the other ringer favorites, including House of Bar, the big picture, even highlights from Book of Basketball 2.0. To watch, all you have to do is open the Samsung TV plus app on your Samsung TV or Galaxy mobile device, navigate to the ringer channel and boom, you're in. Fan, you're up with a flex category. My flex category is Van Lathen. How would you have gotten out of this? Oh, yeah. Which character are you playing? So I'm Rick Santorum. Okay. And so you have a wife, Rick Santorum or Santorum? Excuse me. Santorum. It's taken a political way. You should be Rick Santorum in this, in this story. We still call him as Rick Santorum. As Rick Santorum. So you have a wife and a girlfriend that you have to explain where you've been. Okay. It's like something's going crazy. That's all this stuff going on, but you haven't been home. You're not really on the phone anymore. You have a wife and a girlfriend. It's two completely different ones. So you have to call Angela and Monique. Angela and Monique because they're both calling you and they want to know what's going on. The wife is Angela, right? Yeah. So you talked to her first and you let her know that, look, honey, I don't know if you know what's the home voice name again? Yeah. Man, Kevin, this guy is not who I thought he was. Yeah. Kevin, not coming back to Christmas, baby. No more. No more Kevin. Kevin is like one of the most, you know how he picks up. He plays with the kids. He does all of this stuff. Yeah. That's not the guy. This guy's a killer. This guy's an asshole. She's on the other phone. Like, I always told you there was something about him and I didn't like, I saw the darkness in him. I could look at him and I could tell that there's just something wrong about that guy. You're like, baby, you were right. You were right. This guy's out of our life forever. Look at my face. Look at what happened to my face. That was him. He had the heavyweight champion of the world assault me. Baby, you were right about him. Totally different situation with the girlfriend. The girlfriend's name again is Monique. Monique. Monique. Where have you been? I haven't. Hey. That's not how our relationship goes. What did Jay-Z say? Our time together is our time together. Our time apart is our time apart. So you love Rick with your mind and not with your heart. I got a whole family. You don't call me and ask me where I've been. That's not what you do. Now I will tell you this, the rooms at this hotel in AC are amazing. So if in a couple of days after this all blows over, you want to come check this out. That's cool. If you want to have some fun, that's cool. But I got kids and a family and a wife. Don't call this phone no more after 1030. Wow. A clinic. I had to deal with the Goubar. One thing I really like when he's talking to his wife early in the movie is she's asking about what pizza order they should do. And he's given her the details about what's on the different pizzas. And he's like, I don't fucking know. I'm not going to be eating him. I'm not going to be home. You know, it's a very relatable fight. Also, why does she, can his wife not order a pizza? Why does he have to bring the pizza home at one in the morning? But see, this is the order of pizza yourself. This is, but that's the kind of, that's what he got in his, in the heat of man, of his family. I guess what he got going on. Yeah. Like maybe y'all let y'all women have free reign order pizzas and stuff like that, but not rigged. I feel like since we know that Monique is skinny, mean, and expensive, she might push back a little bit on Rick's attempt to manage that scenario. Yeah. And we know his wife is to use his words fat and and fantastic pizza. So let him be the late night pizza for me. She better. He had better. Might have been her second pizza the day. We're going to take a break and then do how to steak. All right, let's see our things Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how does take a word. Sean, do you do your? So the title wave would have been a much better ending, but I do think the less classy the material, the better the Brian De Palma movie. So like, obviously we talked about Bonfire, the Vanity's, very classy novel adaptation of a Tom Wolf book, not a successful movie. The hot take part is that I just don't think the untouchables is very good. It is like the classiest of the De Palma movies, and it's never been one of my movies. I've never really cared about it. I don't think it's that interesting. And I would much rather watch blow out or dress to kill or body double or this movie than the untouchables. Now, do you think those movies are better or do you think the untouchables kind of sucks? I don't know if it sucks, like it obviously is so well made, I just find it kind of dull. Hmm. You agree? We did unrewatchables. I, there's some, it's got the denier stuff that I love, it's got the cost and I like it more than Sean. I get it. I get his take. It's just heat. If a different director had made it, I think you would like it more. That might be it. It's like, I'm like, this is a missed opportunity. Like switch this, like two directors should trade again. You're watching Jason Kitt and the triangle offense going. What's going on? So this guy to ball and let him go. So yeah, that's kind of the thing, right? When a director like him with like De Palma plays it safe and straight up and down the line. Yeah. It kind of weighs on you a little bit and that is a very, it's like when that goes on CNN. Um, I'm a rabble, Roswell. You did, you did hell razor. You did, uh, the glaze moment, that was, that was, that was good. You did do. That was really good. Do you ever had a steak? Um, I do that it's not a better movie, but it might be a more interesting movie if the leads roles were reversed. Yeah. Uh, Cinease as the hero, Cinease as the hero in this and Nick Cage sort of playing up, but Nick Cage dialing it down and Cinease dialing it up and Cinease pull off that shirt. Maybe not. But maybe you get something, maybe, maybe Cinease wears, you know what he could pull off a notorious big, uh, B.I.G. Versace type joint. Oh, yeah. The sweater a little louder. And so if I thought you were going to go triple to cage reunion, oh, that works too. You're either of them could have played either part, but you know what, Travolta can dial it up. He could have been Kevin Dunn, I think, because he's got the general's daughter in him. We know we can wear the uniform, right? General daughter. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So unfortunate film. Yeah. As I saw the movie, I kind of felt like in this movie at a certain point, Cage was doing what he was doing. Yeah. And Cinease was doing what he was doing. And that was what I was saying. They had different energies. They're kind of like not really on the same wavelength in this movie. Right. So he switched it up. Each guy would have subverted something and it might have been a little bit more interesting. My hat is take Nick Cage, number one guy all time you could cast in any part of a Vegas or Atlantic City movie. He could play all the parts. Oh, yeah. He could be a blackjack dealer, cop, cricket cop, gambler, bookie, fight fixer, pimp, security guard, name, name anybody that works in a casino, Nick Cage could play that part. Hmm. Great to. I can't think of anybody else you could say that about. Also, it can be the every man that kind of gets his girl stolen by James Cone could have been in the car with Vince Vaughn and John Favreau, younger Nick Cage, just like the third buddy. Yeah. We like Vegas. Couldn't have done everything. Great takes. Casting with ifs. Wow. Depama offered Cinease's role to our guy, Al Pacino, who turned it down. You would have been a, what a need an older actor to play the other part. If you do that, right? I was with Rick, say tomorrow, half an hour ago. He of course is the original utterer of here comes the pain. And then this is where you'll be big time big time. This is where it's so good, I've been with me, guys, connected, guys, who you've been with? I love that. Van, this casting, what if is going to break your brain? Okay. Let's see. Offered Cinease's role wouldn't take it because he won a 20 million and they offer 12. Our guy will Smith decided to do any of the state instead. We all won. Good movie. Yeah. Good. Two winners. Look at the incestuous. In me of the state, he takes his talk.
I'm Cruz turned it down who wore the palm of his gospel like the whole not interesting movie with Will Smith in this movie, man, could it also could have played either part, but I think him as Commander Kevin Dunn, Will Smith never played a part like that. Right. I actually would have been really interesting. I would have believed the one he never plays sleazy guys, he never plays sleazy, never really plays villain. So like he needed. How about this? Give Wilson the fucking 20 million, it's 1998, like that's, he was the most bankable. It's kind of surprising for me. The 40 guy that we had. Yeah. I'm just kind of surprised. It's a long line. That's the title wave. Best that guy word. We went through all the candidates. I think it's, I think it's Michael Rispoli even though we know what his name is. I think he's the most that guy of all of that guys. I have done Rispoli in my star. I think those are like elite that guy actors. I have Berks just because Denzel fucked his girlfriend in the other room while he was sleep in devil in the blue dress. Who do you have for that? Damn. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's the first time hearing of this. Who do you have for Dan Waders? Carla's that eligible. A woman named Jane Heitmeier, who plays Serena, the redhead aka the blonde, who is my pick for the C.R. I would throw my life away for her. There you go. Wow. She's just, she's just, she has the juice. The palm of the movie, the redhead and gambling and a lot of things that check Sean's back. Very comfortable. Carla for me. Yeah. She's like a prototypical Dan Waders in this world. Yeah. Like prototypical. I'm down with it. Recasting couch director or city. Can we talk about Stan Shaw being a little bit too old to be Lincoln Tyler, isn't it? He was going to be my weak link. He's like, looks like he's 47. Yeah. We did have older champs at that point. Like Foreman was older. But if this is, if this is, he's like, he's almost 50, but yeah, but if if this is Michael Clark Duncan or Ving Rames, aren't you like, yeah, I buy that it like, I like him as a boss. He played a boxer at Harlem night. That's all that stuff. I love him as an actor. But when you watch it, I know he's supposed to be a little bit older, but he's drawingly a little bit older in this situation, like drawingly old to me. We're two, it's two years too early, but this would have been a great 50 cent part. Two years too early, because he wasn't 50 cent yet that come out and like 2000 to be a heavyweight. I was trying to think this, it felt like a good stunt casting. It's hard because there's not a lot of actors who could credibly play a heavyweight. Yeah. You have to be tall. By the way, he didn't have to be a heavyweight. He could have been a Walter waiter in middleweight. It didn't really matter. That's true. You know, I guess, but at that time during the 90s, there's probably a reflection to the fact that we only really really, really at that point in the 90s were really super caring about heavyweight boxing. The only guy that was really drawing someone at the lower waist was Deloho. And the executioner's obviously modeled on Tyson in a lot of ways, right? There like hasn't been knocked out in 28 professional fights and a song in the gold gloves. I don't say they could have just cast Tyson. Could have tapped. They could. I always like it. That's what I have something later on, but like I always like it in these movies where they go with actual fighters. This role is a little bit maybe too much because then you got to act. He's got some real scenes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like when they get like a real fighter, somebody. Big Rams could have. He could have done it. He could have been a boxer and undisputed. Could have kicked the tires. Maybe Carl Wesley Snipes is agent being like too small of a roe for Wesley. 98. Too small of a roe for Wesley. In the late 90s? Blade. Same year. Yeah. Craig, you used to have your fights category and now a lot were swiped. I was going to bring up Lincoln Tyler. I got the Elizabeth shoe for a good, you know, also like why did she have to wear that wig and dress? Why didn't she dress super understated? I don't understand why she looked like that. That makes no sense to me. Yeah. She could have worn like a hat and a brown wig. Yeah. Doesn't make sense at all. This one might not go over well. I don't know about the title of this movie. I don't think I has anything to do with the movie. I feel like Snake Eyes is more of a casino term. There's no dice in the movie. It's about boxing. I don't think Snake Eyes didn't make any sense. So I think we could have had a better title called Fight Night. Well, it's a double on title. It's a good title. Double on Tondra, because it's like, how silly is it? No, but Sinese is the snake, like he's the one who you think he's one thing, but he's actually the opposite. And then he's trying to title it. He's lowering you into his trap and he's a predator. Everybody loses. Everybody comes up Snake Eyes. Well, like, the house always wins, like, well, there was the house, like, there wasn't, there's no real casino gambling. Well, it was the missile defense system, which eventually gets pushed forward, which was about the Gilbert Powell, who was at the seat of power wins, as a power always does. That's the house. So I don't think it would go over well. Get your head out of your ass. Craig. I'm saying Craig. I like it. I like when Craig's eggs. So what, what's the good title there? Fight Night. I'll use it. You did say fight Night. Fight Night's good. Fight Night works. Everybody's fighting. Their own battle. Sure. Yeah. Apex Mountain for Cage. No. The Palm and No. Fix Boxing movies. Cool. Respoly. Yeah. Respoly. Yes. I have a Respoly. Carla. No. At Leonex City as a viable destination for a movie like this. Yes. Now, I think the answer to that is the movie Atlantic City, the Louis Moll movie. That's what Lancaster Susan Sarandon, which is an amazing movie. But this would be number two for me. You know that movie. Never thought. That's a throw your life away. Susan Sarandon performance. She's. What era are we talking about? 1981. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's her throw your life away here. For sure. She's very attractive. That's another movie that's gone. That's one of those 80s, 90s movies. There's no record. Older guy. Character piece. No, it's like gone. Oh, watch it. Yeah. No, I think it's like doesn't exist. I think it's one of those that's just out. I have thoughts about the older guy character piece. I love those movies. I love them. I love movie where it's like this guy. 63. But they won't look into his fingers because the older guys. They want to be too young. This is the problem. You know, criterion, the streaming app, which is really good. And every month they change the movies. And they'll have some that haven't been streaming for a while. Their programming is amazing on that service. Them and AMC are the only ones left that would have a movie like Atlantic City. But for the most part, they're just gone. And I don't know whether it's like a rights thing or but it's really frustrating. Especially for this show because there's movies we can't do because they don't exist. The revenge of the nerds is gone. Do you know like this is interesting that we're talking about this. Like a month ago, like I'm at the crib. And I was like, I want to watch the Mac. You see the Mac? Yeah. I want to watch the Mac. I could not find a Mac to watch it. Bernie Casey? No. The Mac is the Mac is Max Julian as. That's what it was. Yeah. So like the close student comes watching them watch it in true romance. That's what Drexel Spivey is watching on the TV, right? Yeah. Right. You see, I know I'm pretty. But I'm not pretty as a couple of titties. But like it is. That one's gone. Yeah. The Mac. Couldn't find a Mac. Wanted to watch the Mac. Couldn't find a Mac. Watch it settle for Superflog. As always, I'll just say my physical media. You will always have access to these movies. Yeah. That is true. Some of them. Oh, Atlantic City is. You can rent it. Max somewhere. Great. Recommended. Yeah, somewhere. I know we got it somewhere. Atlantic City. Anyway. All right. Move it on. Oh, it begs mountain. How about this? Yeah. Boxing matches and non boxing movies. In a movie that's not about boxing. There's nothing cool. What else is in there? Like in a movie that's like a fiction. There's no, we don't see the fight at all. Like think about it. This movie is not about boxing. Normally boxing matches come in movies that are specifically about boxing or about the sport. It's a very good call. There definitely has got to be another example. There's got to be. Yeah. It's going to come. Now, I mean, it just be haunted when I forget. It's a name to his. His own criterion closet just looking for a box. Well, there's a lot of movies in the 40s. Yeah. 50s like this. Right. Like the harder they fall is technically about the 50s version with Bogart. It's technically about fights, but it's not a fight movie. But there's a fight in it. Right. I'm trying. I just got to be a good example of this. I can't think of it. Yeah. I'll think of it about nine hours from now after the pot's already done. Stand shot. No. I do like stand shot. Yeah. It's awful. But a little miscast in this. Oh, 100. He's too old. Yeah. But I think I was trying to think what his. He's been in a lot of good stuff. But I think that number one is probably great. Santini. Oh. But he's also in this movie that doesn't exist anymore tough enough with Dennis Quaid. We're Dennis Quaid's in a tough man competition. And stand shot is like his. I think he's the other guy in it. But he's been around. Stand shot was in five boxing movies somehow. I feel like I know him. What do I know him best? Does he have a boxing background? Because he must. Oh, I know him from monster squad. He ever seen monster squad. Oh, yeah. The kids. They they all get together and they're going to go fight the monsters. Because the monsters come out of the the vortex, right? And Abraham van Helsing. He comes in at the end of the movie. But then let the end before he comes in. They have this girl. She's supposed to have a virgin. Read this. Incantation. That's going to send Dracula back to this thing. And they have one of their friends of the monsters squad. They have their sister read the incantation. And it doesn't work. Because it turns out she's not a virgin. And that you didn't know this. Because you figure it's like she's like 1617. This movie doesn't exist. It's facts. It is. It's a quote. I definitely haven't seen this.
It turns out, and then they have one of their little sisters, who's a little girl. She reads it. Van Helsing comes back through the thing, gets Dracula pulls him back through the vortex. They win. I think Shane Black wrote that. He did. What year is that? It's started by Fred Decker. It's like 86. All the monsters come back to this town. It's Dracula Wolfman, Frankenstein. I appreciate him. I appreciate him. The Black Lagoon. All of them. It's a perfect gateway horror. If you're eight years old and you see it, you're like, I'll watch horror movies forever. They're fucked with me because I learned about the lore of the Wolfman because they killed a wolf man in the movie. Wolfman's got nards. Wolfman's got nards. They killed a wolf man in the movie, and then a wolf man go love, thank you, because he's been released from his curse. I felt for him. Stan, Stan Charles in that movie. Cruiser Hanks. This is going to be my other hardest take, but I didn't want to stop on this category. Which be Cruiser Hanks, Cruiser is Santoro, and Hanks is done, and then when Hanks, it's revealed that Hanks is the bad guy. It's the most shocking reveal of the 90s, and this movie would have made $900 million. You leave the title wave in, you get an extra $50 million in the budget because you've got the two biggest stars of the era, and it's directed by Brian De Palmo, who's just worked with Cruiser on Mission Impossible, and we know it will be great in the movie, and Hanks, of course, was already in Bonfire of the Vanities. Could you make the same argument for Cruiser and Wolf Smith? They're not the same age. To me, you could go ahead. They would get away with, I think, Cruiser Hanks being the same age. If it's Cruiser and Hanks, this movie is the espionage version of Interview with the Vampire. It's like two titans coming together to wear just the fact that their names are up there together, sparks a whole bunch of interest for the movie. Is there a spot for Cruiser to run in this movie? Maybe he's running through the back always? You can always find spots for him down the hotel room. Maybe he, oh, he has a whole lot of hotel hallways. Yeah. I think he would have put that in his, in the negotiations. Contract. Yeah. He's like, I read the script, when Rick's on the 35th floor, what if he's on the wrong side and has to sprint the other way? That's Coursesier Spielberg, this is obviously Coursesier, it's sort of been a cool Coursesier movie. Yes. And what part would Philip Seymour have played? I think Cinease's part would have been pretty. I wrote Gilbert Powell. Which one was that? The Donald Trump figure, the John Herd place. Oh. When he gives the big, he's yelling at Cinease's character about all of his plan and what's going to happen and how he needs the millennium to open. That's just a very PSH kind of moment in the movie. What do you have, Van? They're having a full-on party with Crack before a heavyweight title fight. They're smoking Crack. It's pre-fight. Now, I know that boxers get crazy, but I don't know how many times I've seen them go to the bat where the fighters are getting ready. And there's a full-on model party happening in the dressing room of the boxer where they're getting down. I think that might have actually happened during the Tyson post jail era, maybe, before the fight. She's covered in blood and she's running through the thing. One guy stops her other than that, nobody really gives it shit. It's the whole time she's covered in blood. I'm like, I'm trying to think of any time I've ever seen someone even with a bloody nose. You're like, "Hey, man. I don't know if you know, but your nose is bleeding. It's got blood all over her." You wanted a cop to set her aside full-body cavity search. That's all you wanted. All search. Yeah. And why don't you get out of those bloody criminals? Yeah. And those are the Tyson movies I like. He's running security, Garrison Ease's friend, Garrison Ease's running security. He, however, gets his boy tickets to the fight. And there's been no security screening of any kind. He just chills right there with the Secretary of Defense. I'm like, is there no lyric or no piece of dialogue where you go, "Hey, man, I'm glad that you guys put me through this extensive security search where now I get to chill and sit right next to the Secretary of Defense." All of that stuff, none of that happened, it's just, I'm the bodyguard for the Secretary of Defense. Hey, my friend. Come to the fight. I don't think that it works that way. I don't know why. It popped in my head. Another thing is, wow. You're really bringing it to the table. There's one more time. Just one more. Just think guys in it up. These are some slightly high BMI heavyweights. Now I am not in any way. I thought that same thing. I'm not in any way. This looks like an ESPN Friday night fights fight. If you guys look at me, I'm not in any way, shaming anyone. I'm just saying, this is a two heavyweights fighting that in the 90s, this wasn't the heavyweights. It was Lewis and Tyson and Holyfield and all of that. Race of Reddit. Race of Reddit. You know, you had maybe a couple of guys, but these are some high BMI heavyweights. That's it. That's all. Well, I mentioned already that Carla Gugino's plan is incoherent, Craig also points out that she's dressed like Marilyn Monroe in an attempt to get the attention of the Secretary of Defense at a fight. But then as her whole intention is to be a whistleblower, to have this whole plan destroyed and then so she would put herself out of work and theory. You know, for years I need to get her attention. He invited her theoretically. More importantly, we have fucking email in 1998, sent him an email. She said she wanted to deliver it by hand, because I think she didn't want it to get. No. We have email. There's specifically some mention in this movie, somewhere of an email that was sent. But it was a mention that was said in a way where email was still kind of new and it seemed conceivable. She wouldn't be able to get an email time. No, but she says something in the movie about either she sent an email or there was an email or something in the movie. I feel like she could have gone up to him before the fight, versus during the fight, rather than during the fight. And maybe given it to everyone. When every camera's on him. Yeah. Everything is on fire. I agree. So go on to the press. In theory, yes. Probably worried about her. Although because he was being applauded, maybe he was a beloved sec death. Right. You know? You forgot about the beloved. You could have been a hero. I have a really stealth boxing nitpick. The crowd is just too energetic and into it an upset in the first minute of the fight. They're just booing because there's not enough action. No crowd has ever been in the stands in the first round. But initially they're booing because there's not action yet and it's like the fight just started that never happened. Can we talk about Jose Pacifico Ruiz for a moment? So I didn't know where to put him. I don't know if he should have been in overacting. I don't know if he should have been weak link. I don't know if his character is hard. It might be a new category. It might be the Jose Pacifico Ruiz where sports will be character. First of all, you know, I'm sure he was a wonderful boxer. His acting is abominable like he is absolutely terrible in this movie. Also when Stan shot really is his name sucks Jose Pacifico Ruiz. If we're to believe what Tyler Lincoln says, this guy was also on the take, but he's fucking up the plan because he doesn't know how to box like what exactly is going on where he pulls back on the Phantom Punch, he doesn't go for the kill when he's supposed to. He's kind of jabbing him. You know what he's describing? And he's talking shit, yeah, he's talking too much shit. He's losing sight of what the job is to do. He think he even knows that there is a job. Isn't it clear that he's a but he's supposed to know when he hears the sign too. Yeah, I think they're both they're both in on it, right? I think they're both in on it. I could be wrong. It's terrible. Good put push on here's my biggest nitpick. Why isn't Carla wearing contact lenses? It's 1998. Hmm. Just like if I lose these glasses, I just become Mr. McGoo like, you have a job working for defense. You know, over your weapons analyst, you can't put in some contacts. There is really, there is one really funny Mr. McGoo style pratfall moment though where she comes out of the bathroom after she's cleaned herself up and she's walking back into the arena and she bumps into the wall and she like looks at the wall because she can't see. Like a nice reminder of the fact. Also, if she was that blind, the glasses would be way thicker and I say this is somebody who's blind and I've never had a pair of glasses that those look like reading glasses. Yeah. Like come on. Contact lenses A plus. Love them. Where would I be without them? The actual. Oh, nobody notices the heavyweight champ punching out a cop. That one jumped out to me. And then obviously Carla making a move on Nick at the end. Where does that come from? No sexual attention to the whole movie. And she's batting her eyelashes and being cute and being like, maybe you should look me up sometime. It's like, what? What is happening? They did that. This guy's a loser scumbag. She does make a move on her earlier in the movie when he sits her down before it gets real and he learns that his friend has betrayed him. But so there's some indication that he wants to he's down. The only 90s movie that had the sense to take out the underlying sexual energy but between the man and the woman was the Pelican brief. Yes. Because America's racist, right? That's part of it. Yeah. And that's where the sense came from missing a major chunk of that movie. Like that's the only movie that was like, you know what? You think they showed full penetration and that scene they cut out. I think they shot a world rock. I think they should have gone with the Pelican briefs. Like you make that movie, right? I'm surprised I haven't come out with that but this movie have a porn parody, you know. And so like but everything else they just had to do it. Like they had it. They had to do it. [BLANK_AUDIO]
have to make the people have some type of energy. They always had to do it. I guess they didn't do it in, um, didn't they take out of, uh, of, um, you can't handle the truth. If you good men. Yeah. They took out of that one too. Joe. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Joe doesn't get it. She was with the galactically stupid. Oh, wow. So defeated. Oh, my God. I never seen you be so defeated by your own category. I think this movie's fun. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do. I, I, I think a prequel about Rick and Kevin growing up is kind of fun. Okay. And then we see Kevin's dark side, but Rick can't see it because he's kind of a scumbag. Mm-hmm. Oh. Is this movie better with Wayne Jacobs, Danny Treo, Mad Dog, Rousseau, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Bill St. Jackson, no, Byron Mayo, Tony Roma, Chris Consort, Dana, Plainview, Longwanks, or Wilford Brimley, in the firm. I, I have a new new combo for this Joe Davis and John Smoltz announcing the fight. And there is another knockdown, John, whoop, gunshots. The secretary of defense is down. And John Smoltz goes, yeah, we've never seen this before, Joe. This is pretty crazy. That's all I got. Is the idea there that they don't have enough energy? Yes. That's the idea, Sean. Oh, well, I, but if, but if, but if Shohei Otani was present at that fight, they would have cut to him and said, there he is, the greatest man in the history of attending fights. Otani again. It's Joe Davis that bastard. If it's a Dodgers moment, he really gets his dander up. Yeah. I should have put in something about them bringing up the Joe Carter homerun. Yeah. They're in the Lincoln Tyler fight. Just fucking just stop bringing the fucking shit up. Joe Carter. It's like. Particularly painful now. Yeah. Now it's tough. A moment for Blue Jays fans. That was brutal. That was brutal. And Lincoln Tyler is down again. He sure is Joe. I do think I can't adequately do this because Chris is not. Here, but I, I do think Byron Mayo would be incredible in this movie. He was like, Kevin Dunn, my old friend and meet my friend Serena. Oh, in the backstage. Yeah. That would've been good. What was Carla's name in this movie? She's Carla. And notice you lost your top. I'm going to take you to the gift shop. Carla, I've got air conditioning. It's more questions. I just don't know why all bad guys don't use a silencer. What's the downside? Great note. It's good. Incredible note. Is it heavier? What is it, Craig? It's bigger bulkier. Harder to pack. It's longer. Harder to conceal. Yeah. Just like if I was ever an assassin silencer every time. But I love a scene when I, when like two assassins are getting ready to go to work and they start screwing the silencer on. I'm like, this is, that's movie magic to me because you're getting ready to do it. Action's going to happen. Yeah. Fan delivered. Yes. Yes. Fando line for Lincoln Tyler versus Jose Pacifico Ruiz heading into the fight. Yeah. Like Tyler minus 650. Yeah. They said he was 10 to one. Oh, they did. 10 to one favorite Ruiz. Ruiz was. That wasn't favorable. Well, that's why he was getting this. He was so fucked up about the bed. Yeah. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I could offer you the bloody $100 bill. I could offer you Nick Cage's jacket, which you could wear. I could offer you an actual poster of the fight. Mm-hmm. You could frame that. What would you take? I have another answer. Go. The ruby red ring, which is revealed in the concrete slab at the end of the movie, at the end of the credits. Oh, he could point. Yeah. Which is the ring that Serena, the red head, wears and she's killed and then they're pushed off into a into the concrete slab. That's like, there's all this, this big sequence where after he kills them, we see them getting loaded up into this truck, which is really a weird way to dispense and the two dead bodies are inside of that concrete slab. So you'd want the ruby red ring. Yes. Chip that out. Coach Finstack wore a best life lesson. I'm naive. There's worse things to be. Yes, that would be it. Don't be naive. Best double feature choice. Blow out. Face off. I'll put face off. I'll put face off. Just run it. Run it right back. Nick. What do you have? I have five nominees. Which one you like? Okay, cool. Dressed to kill JFK in the line of fire. No way out. Oh, LA confidential. Which of those you like? No way out. It's pretty close. No way out. It's pretty good, right? Where you're like, this is a sleazy crime drama set in the world of high power politics. Craig ruined no way out there. Why? He said Sean Young wasn't hot. I was one of the greatest in life. I was one of the classic generations. Honestly, let's get a poll going. Let's get a poll going. I'm just embarrassed. No. Cause the poll has to be. It's just like in like actual. No, no. Gen Z kid participate. Like we need like, we need like, Geo blocking, but for a generation where the cameras get to vote. Yeah. Sure. It like says me. Okay. I mean, maybe amongst your generation. The ones that shy. No, I'll take it across the board. I'll take your generation. Yeah. It's like, but dude, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a tough one. I also remember she is finkled to me. She is ironhorn. Yeah. It was a whole different relationship with her. It's fair. It's a stellar performance. That's for that film. But also, she's not good. Who, uh, who wants to thank guys for your guys? I mean, I don't think he's ever lost a movie he started. Oh, interesting. I don't. A movie where he's the guy. He says, now that would have been a great hottest take. He has this overwhelming energy that like, I just, I don't think he's ever lost a movie he started. And Dupama. I mean, you know, I thought about Carla, I did test rap Carla, but I think it's Dupama. Carla's bra. Well, because it's Dupama's last. One that actually made some money and was memorable and that was my other probably unanswerable question is, did Dupama quit or get fired from the role of major director? Like what actually happened? He makes mission impossible, massive sensation. He makes this movie, makes money. It's a well-known movie. We're doing it on the show right now. And then what happened? It says late fifties and directors usually have a run of somewhere between seven and 25 years, unless you're Scorsese or Spielberg. I think he turned 50 when he made this movie. So he said he was 56 in this 50s, okay, 56, 57. So we talked about mission of Mars that bombing, you think that killed it? That's a bad movie. Disney swing. Yeah, right? And you never should have made that movie. And then he comes back and Fin Fattal was like a movie that people enjoyed, but it lost money and it was sort of controversial. Yeah. And a little bit off killed. It was like a Euro sensation. Right. And then after that, he kind of just- Oh, it's like black dolly, uh, redacted. What was that movie? Passion. And that one's weird. Passion, yeah. I think it's interesting. Yeah, it's cool. It's very classic to Palma. Really kinky. It's a two-by classic. But he's, it's almost like he, maybe he threw his chips in, because he didn't go back to do- That quote about him saying it's the internet's time now. Movies are over in 1998 is chilling. He's pretty lit. And I think there were some things that happened, too. There were things that happened in the 70s and 80s that I think there were some things ingested and smoked and done. God bless him. The, the no-bombak Jake Paltrow documentary about him is one of the most pleasurable things I've ever seen. I can put that on it any time of day and enjoy myself. We're just him talking about what a genius he is making his movies. Him and a, and Schrader. Well, I guess then, Friedkin, too. Three guys who were like, is that recorder on? Just the fire blower, they could give a shit. Craig, let's hear it. What'd you think? Loved it. Every time I watch a diploma movie, I'm like, man, I fucking loved this movie. I got to watch every diploma film, because I think I've only seen the ones that we've covered on the show. I love body double. Yeah, I just like in general, when great directors make smaller movies, like this, even though the budget was bigger, whatever, the story feels small and kind of random or insignificant. And I just think it's more enjoyable. The stakes feel lower. That's the end of the rewatch, boss. Sure. Thanks to Craig Coralbeck for producing. Thanks to Gaha, who's washed out an hour ago, and do this. Thanks to Ronock and Jesus Will, and we'll be back next week. [BLANK_AUDIO]
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