Slob on Me Knob with Rob Haze

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It's the number one OBGYN-recommended brand of emergency contraception, and it won't impact your future fertility. That's freedom to be. Use as directed. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Yo, what the fuck is up? Welcome to My Favorite Lyrics, a podcast where we talk about music lyrics, except for when we talk about other stuff. Today we got a very, very special guest. You know him. You love him. You might have seen his special frontin'. You might have seen that. If you haven't seen that, go check that out. You might have heard his album, Hazepedia. Let's go. Go peep. You know what I'm saying? Y'all, welcome to the show, Rob Hayes. Oh, man, thank you. Yeah. That's a more official introduction than most people get. A lot of times I just give somebody's name, but I was like, let me shout out. I appreciate the project. It's not just a credit. It's like a specific, like, this is my body of work. Sure, sure. Rob, what's up, man? How you living? I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well. Yeah. Enjoying my time out here. You know, we in L.A. How many years you been in L.A. now? Since 2019. Yeah. It'll be seven. In June. Yeah. Because I feel like, yeah, I feel like you moved out here right as I was moving to New York. Right as I was getting to New York, I feel like you was. I would see you when you were visiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you had the hair. Yeah. Yeah. I used to have, in like 2017, when I used to visit, I used to have free-form locks. Yeah, you was very native tongues with the hair. Very, very. Yeah, very free spirit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, very alternative medicine type of hair vibes, specifically. Did you plan for that? Or were you just like winging it as you went? It was very that. I was never, I've had free-forms twice in my life. Yeah. And it's always just like, it starts with like me having a little fro with the sponge. Sure. And then I just kind of don't do anything for a little bit. And then it starts growing out. And I'm like, you know what? I'm kind of fucking with this. Yeah. That's definitely how it's happened both times. All right. I mean, you took it to the top. Some people, the free-form kind of ruins their job opportunity. Yeah. The ill job with the free-form. Well, I also don't do like real jobs. You know what I mean? I also like, I also like, I do this. So it's like, in this field, you could have free-forms and let that rock. Most people I know that say I don't do real jobs don't have a laptop. So you saying that, but also having a laptop? I'm already, I'm ahead of the curve. You ahead of the curve. Damn. I think I might've aged out of free-forms. Like, I don't know if it, I don't know if I got that left in my life. But I don't know. Jay-Z's doing it at like 50-something. Because his punishment from Beyonce was you can't get any more haircuts. If you notice the timeline, notice it. Think about, think about when 444 came out. Sure. Right. That's when it all started. We're going to go with this publicly, but guess what, Mr. Shape-Up? Yeah. Never again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can never get a haircut again. I don't want to ever see your ass lined up again. Never. Yeah. Think about it. Jay-Z was Mr. Caesar. He was at all times. Jay-Z was Mr. Caesar. That's true. You never even saw him like with a little, with like a little baby fur or nothing like that. No. It was always like very, it was very clean. Death of Auto-Tune. T-Pain did drive him to stop getting haircuts for a second. But then when the album came out, it was, that was that whole album mode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when the album came out, he had a haircut, Blueprint 3 or whatever. It's back to clean. And that same era, I also was growing my hair out. But I just thought we were just doing that. Right. So then when Jay-Z cut his hair, I was just like, oh, oh, he was making an album. I wasn't making an album. I wasn't making nothing. Sure. You were like, wait a second. You were like, I gotta call my barber. I thought we were doing this together, Jay. I thought we was all. I thought as society, we was all just like growing our hair. And then, yeah, yeah. And then when Jay-Z cut his hair in September of that year, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and cut this off. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, what did you have when I met you? When I met you, I feel like you had the flat top. Maybe. I feel like it was a high top fade, Rob, when I met you. Well, what happened was I had to, I had a sponge, but the Dominican barbers at that time couldn't fathom it. They wasn't familiar with the sponge tech. So, when I would go, because I just wanted this in the back. Okay. And I wanted the rest of it to be, you know what I'm saying, like a Peter Gunz type of thing that I sponge up. I know exactly what you're talking about. Into a shape, right? Of course. But I would go, and then they'd be like, oh, I know this guy really wants a high top. And so they would high top. Fade it up. Wait a sec. So, they would give you an entirely different, well, see, but I feel like your mistake here is you're going to the Dominicans, where I feel like they're just on a different type of time. Yeah. Than what you got at like a regular black people barbershop. Yeah, no, no. I really came to New York with the idea that the diaspora was the same when it comes to haircuts. And, yeah. And this speaks to being from the South. Sure. Because it's like, you're from Atlanta, I'm from Texas, and like ask people from those. There's areas like, we don't got access to black people that speak Spanish. That's not really a thing that's, well, let me not speak for you. We did not have that. We do, but it's a secret. They not really, you know what I'm saying? They not prevalent. Yeah. They closeted with a. Español. Island, yeah, yeah, with the Español, all of that. Also, there's secret Africans. There's people. Oh, interesting. And then it's like, oh, dang, you, oh, your first name is, we don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't know your last name. You out here just really just, yeah, yeah. They going by Tommy, but when you look at the government, it's like, that's Tomas. Right. We don't know until we go to the birthday party. They throw on ones, and then we like, oh, I didn't know it was this kind of party. Yeah. And then we're like, no, we Nigerian. It's not like that. Chill out. Secret Nigerians is great. I don't think I've come across any secret Nigerians. Because the Nigerian names, I feel like a lot of times be given, the last name be getting them. Yeah. Right, right. You look at that, and it's like, you see, they got a similar type of name to Wale at the end. And then you're like, ah, I know what's going on. The secrets, but yeah, all this to say, like, and where I grew up, at least, it was like, it was like, all right, the people that spoke Spanish, that was Mexican people. Yeah. And we knew what was happening with that. We didn't have nobody that could have cut my hair. But then you move to New York, it's a whole different situation. It's a whole different situation. And when I'm in New York, there are people that think I'm Dominican. Really? There's people that was like, walking up to me speaking Spanish, and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I can't help you. Was it flattering at all? I mean, it was never like, it felt like emergencies. Like, it wasn't like they was walking up to me speaking Spanish just to, like, say, hey. It was like, I can't help you. Like, yeah. And then coming up to you and be like, help, something's bad right now. Something's bad right now, and I need you to fix it, please. Right. Like, that's the energy they had. Hit the sap button on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's very funny. But, yeah, no, growing up in Atlanta, you know, we really Michael Jackson dangerous with it. You black or white. We really, you know, we had Mexicans, but, yeah, it's very polar. And honestly, my world, my bubble was super black. So it was like, you know, principal black, guidance counselor black, pediatrician black, dentist black. Whoa. Mayor. You know, not a black man. The police. Yeah, yeah. So did y'all like the black police? Uh, was it, was there like a, they're, they're in the community to help us because it was black police or was it still like, you know, it depends if you, you know, if you're doing a crime, I don't think you like the black police. Right, right, right. Cause they're, cause they're, cause they're out to get you and they doing their jobs. Yeah. But if you're not doing a crime, then it feels like, all right, you know, yeah, I got you. Uh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds tight. I mean, what, tell me about as a, Atlanta now is like the capital of rap music and has been for like, I don't know what, like 10, 15 years? Yeah. But you, it wasn't like that when we were like growing up. It didn't feel like that in the same way. Tell me about like, tell me about what you were listening to as like a young boy in Atlanta. I mean, I think that, that Atlanta was growing as I was growing up. So, you know, I mean, I, I were, you know, I remember Outkast, Goody Mob, Monica, uh, you know, Lil Jon and, and, and all that happening to the point, you know, TLC to the point where I assumed most artists were from Atlanta. Like I, I was like, oh, 702 is a Las Vegas area code. Okay. Like I, I just thought Brandy was from Atlanta. I thought like, like if I saw somebody on TV, I'm like, yeah, they probably from here too. Like, yeah, they just going to LA to shoot a video, but they, yeah. - That's tight. But then after a while, it was like seeing the pride in Atlanta. You know, especially like around the like bone crusher, you know, ludicrous. Like around the crunk era, it really felt like, oh, this is a new phenomenon. Like this is a thing that's happening. But they just always switched it up. We just always had something new and something going on that I never felt a gap. Like it never felt like, oh, you know, Atlanta, we had our time. You know, there were other places that it felt like, oh, they had a moment. Houston. Houston. As like somebody from Texas. Like it was like Houston ultimately. H-Town. When you look back on it, it had like, shout out to H-Town. Knockin' the Boots. That was, they had a moment. Knockin' the Boots for Christmas. Have you ever heard that? The Luke Christmas album? I'm not familiar with the Christmas joint. You gotta hear Knockin' Boots for Christmas. I'm gonna write that down. Chestnuts roastin' on an open fire. Yeah, they goin' for it with the Christmas version of Knockin' Boots. You know what? I'm gonna make sure I write that down. Like Give Love on Christmas Day is a Christmas sex song, but it's classy. Knockin' Boots for Christmas is like, there's no denying what this song is about. Knockin' Boots for Christmas, 1993 holiday song by H-Town. Okay. I wouldn't make it up. Is this a fact checker? I wouldn't lie to you. No, no, no. It's not a fact checker. It's really just me being like, all right, this is what was going on. I'm assuming in Houston Christmas in 93, everybody's bumpin' this. 93's a little before when I was moving around. I got you. I don't quite remember what was going on in 93, but I believe it. The fact that they made that, that a Houston artist made Knockin' the Boots to show how popular boots were at the time. They're not cowboy boots. No, no, no, no, no. They're talking about like a Timberland or like a Doc Martin or something. Doc Martin, maybe like one of those Nike boots like they had in Juice. Sure, sure. Maybe some of those joints. Yeah, it was about Toros. Yeah, yeah. It was a time period for heavy shoes. Yeah. Was it heavy? Because there was East Coast stomping. Right, right, right, right. Like, you got them heavy shoes, you got to East Coast stomp a little bit. You got to make sure they hear you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. Okay, so you was in Atlanta. You was in Atlanta. It felt like, did that make it feel like anything was possible? Because I would imagine if you like from a city where you see people making it like over and over and over again, I'd imagine you'd be like, oh, I could do whatever I want. Yeah, I mean, a little bit. You know, I also felt like I wish I was more musically inclined. Did you ever make music? Everybody's popping in music. Like, not for real. Okay. Like, me in middle school, we had like, we had like a group or whatever, but we ain't practice. We ain't go over to each other's house. We just, we was just coming up with names and stuff. We made some emails. You didn't quite have the discipline. Yeah, and. What type of music were y'all making during that period? I mean, we was going to be a rap group for sure. And who would you compare like your rap style to at that period? Everything. Okay. I didn't have my own style. Of course. That's what I'm saying. Because y'all must have been basing it off of something that was popping. The probably best song I ever rapped was in college. We made a song called Shame On Em. And I'm definitely got a Project Pat flow. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's one of the flyest flows to do. It is. It is, but it belongs to somebody. Of course. It belongs to somebody. Maybe the, it's like maybe the most distinct dude. That's the worst thing that like, yeah. Like, it's a lot of flows that you could be like, oh yeah, he was kind of doing that and he was kind of doing that. Project Pat is really like, oh no, he's the only one who ever talked like that. Right. That's like, that's like going to an open mic and smashing a watermelon. And it's like, dog, what are you doing? Gallagher got that. What are you doing? Gallagher got that. You didn't even pick a different fruit? Yeah. You wildin'. Yeah. You could have, you could have smashed up some mangoes at least. Yeah. Yeah. Mix it up. Okay. So you was doing, you was doing Project Pat flow. For sure. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Do you have a, do you have a favorite Atlanta artist? A favorite Atlanta artist? Um, I, I mean, I, I, of course. I love Three Stacks. I love, uh, uh, uh, I love Outkast, but, um, it's so, it's so many. It's, it's really tough. Y'all got it. Y'all got a lot to choose from. Yeah. There's a lot to choose from. Yeah. Yeah. And again, I'll say as a, as somebody from Texas, I feel like we had essentially like a four year run where like the world kind of knew what was going on. Yeah. And then it's, you know, it's been quiet since then. Shout out to Meg. Shout out to Meg. Meg, Meg holding us down, but it doesn't feel like there's like a scene in the same way where you could point to like, oh, here's like these five new artists that like popped off. But I guess it's better recently. Big X the Plug from Texas. Okay. Shout out Big X the Plug. Shout out Mexican OT. Okay. That's like real Texas shit. Travis Scott from Texas, but it's like, it's a different, he, he, he, he doesn't really feel regional. He feels kind of. Yeah. He feels like he's kind of for everybody. But that's because, you know, he influenced some of the biggest people. That's true. So like, we didn't even get to put that on Texas because it was already like. He was already with Kanye. He was already in the mix. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Hey, you, you listening to the pod right now. Are you a member of my yet to be titled fan base, which is a thing we're working on. Genuinely. We're in the lab trying to get to the bottom of that. Do you live in New York city? Well, guess what? I got good news for you. We're doing our first ever New York city live show on June 29th. It's going to be a little field. It's going to be a good ass time. And I'm going to expect to see you there. If I don't see you there, I don't know what I'm going to do, but it's going to make me sad. And that's not what you want to do. Right? Let's go ahead and buy tickets. The link is in the description bio. And it is also on the, my favorite lyrics, Instagram and wherever you find links. That's where the link's going to be. So go ahead and tap in and we're going to have some very special guests. It's going to be a good time. Bye baby. Leah. I'm Ashley C. Ford, host of Into the Mix, a Ben and Jerry's podcast about joy and justice. No ID, prescription or age requirement. It's the number one OBGYN recommended brand of emergency contraception, and it won't impact your future fertility. Use as directed. I feel like you and I, you and I are around the same age. I feel like, were you on the rap blogs really heavy? Oh, yeah. Was you doing that? What were you on? That's a great question because I feel like where you were determines your scope of the whole blog era. You know, because they all carried it different. I was a two dope boys guy. Okay. Once two dope boys came out, I was kind of like. Okay. Looking for other stuff. You know, I rarely went to Rap Radar. I was way more of a hypebeast guy. If I'm blog era, I'm really more, I'm on Kanye's blog, I'm on hypebeast, I'm on the shoe game. Like, I'm really more on the fashion blog side. But when it came to music, I'm going to two dope boys. Mecca, So Mixed Show, he's giving me the samples. I got the samples. You know, I'm downloading those. Also, I used to. I used to be on Album Bass Heavy. I don't know about Album Bass. Album Bass was like where they would. You would get the zip files with the albums. Okay. And so, yeah. So, anything that had like five mics, I downloaded. Any, you know, like anything that I used to read about in the source, I used to download. You know, I used to just be grabbing everything. Pre-streaming, it was just like, I want to hear this stuff. This is like something that I feel like younger people wouldn't understand. Like, if you're like under a certain age. I know that like, the way that like during the blog era, like you used to just go to a blog and then they would have a link where you could download the song like. Sure. Straight to your computer, like on the website. Yeah. You didn't like, the streaming shit like wasn't really popping. It wasn't really around. So, you would be. I was a Pigeons and Planes guy. That was my blog site. And you can go. Okay. You go to Pigeons and Planes and it would straight up be like, all right, new song from Wiz Khalifa. And it'd have like a media fire. Yeah. Like a media fire link. Yeah. And then you would click it and it would just be on your computer and then you put it on your iTunes. And it would be big as hell. You got it. You might have to clear something out. We'd take real estate. Like we didn't have hard drives like we have now that like just laying around and stuff I had to get the external hard drive. External hard drive. To put my music on the side joint. Sure. Sure. I had an iPod. Yeah. I had an iPod before I had a laptop, which was really dumb. Same. Because it's like, how am I going to put music on this? I was a person who plugged my iPod on other people's stuff, you know, like had somebody, unplug it too early. And then your whole shit's fucked up. Everything erased. Every song. song in my parents' house just erased because he and my friend was just like, we ain't got to do all that. Yeah. That is a thing that I feel like you also wouldn't understand if you were of a, if you're not like above a certain age where it's just like, oh yeah, like your whole music library was at risk and there were things that could happen that could straight up like lose you every song that you had. That happened to me once or twice where it's like, oh yeah, if you like, yeah, if you unplugged it at the wrong time or if you fucking, or if you like were like uploaded to one computer and then you moved to the other computer and that computer had different shit, it might just be like, all right, we're putting all this new computer stuff, all your old computer shit, you could lose whatever. And you were, you also built these songs up brick by brick, brick by brick. You put every single thing on there. You name them yourself. Of course. Sometimes it was like. You could edit everything. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it was like, oh, the name, this CD is so old. Oh, there's no, it's just track one, track two, track three. I just have to guess how to spell these songs. We'll figure it out. Yeah. Especially during the era where like, where Wayne was really popping. Sure. During the Wayne era, Wayne was putting out so much music and so many mixtapes. There might be like a song that one person saves is like Superman and the other person got it saved as like save the world. Right. And y'all might be talking about the same song, but you have no idea. I have no idea. You have no idea that y'all actually been listening to the same shit the whole time until you get. And there was also no Shazam. So there was so much new music coming out. And like, sometimes you would hear it in somebody car and like, there'd be no way to figure out what song you even heard. Sure. Hopefully I remember some, but even the lyric sites didn't have mixtapes stuff. Mixtapes was just like. It's just, it was the Wild, Wild West. It's the Wild, Wild West. Yeah. Yeah. The FBI rated DJ drama. So then it just felt like, ooh, how many mixtapes do I download before. Before they get me. Before they get me. That was a real thing. They certainly wanted you to believe that if you hit a certain number of like illegal downloads, like a federal agent was coming to your crib. I had a, I had a friend that got, got in trouble. Remember the, like, there was a story of a guy in a college campus. He downloaded Austin Powers and then he got sued by like, like, you know, the, uh, the studio or whatever. So I, I had a roommate that got sued by, uh, you know, HBO or whatever. Cause he downloaded. He downloaded the Sopranos. What? Was he like selling it? No. He just was watching it. He was just touring in. Yeah. But he was touring in crazy. And he was my plug. So I would go, he would be like, yo, write down the most rare stuff and I'm going to find it. So I'm like, cool. Uh, main source, Breaking Adams. I never heard that. I want that. Uh, uh, Souls of Mischief. I never heard that. Let's get the tribe. Oh, let's hear all the Jay-Z. So he's going and finding all this stuff. Um, but he's, yeah. So he got in trouble for that, but he represented himself. He figured out that the school, in order for the school to find out that he was downloading, they had to look through your downloads. That's like a breach of like what we agreed to, you know, and now he's a lawyer. Cause he got very equated with the. He got himself off and then he figured that he changed his major. He was like, oh, I could do that. He was like, I don't know. I don't understand the system. And now he's a lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's one, that's an incredible story. That's an incredible story that he, uh, went through so much with the legal process. He was just like, oh, I'll just like do this as a profession. Yeah, I could do that. Yeah. But also there's another part of me that's like, I would have been so scared if people was looking through my like downloads when I was in college, because like a bunch of it would have been like TV episodes and movies and stuff like that. But then like sandwiched in between it, it would be like big booty Latina goes to school. Sure. And then you also got it. Then you've got to answer for that. You'd be like, oh, Austin Powers, Austin Powers. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Can't candy has a rough day at work. Yeah. And then it's all like loaded in there. Your porn titles. I really don't know what's going on with these things. Big booty Latina goes to school. I don't, I don't know. I don't know what that means. What do you mean you don't know what it means? You know what it means. No. What's what is go to school like a urban dictionary. Is that like code for something? No. It's like. In the, in the version of it that I'm thinking in this imaginary example, in this, in this fake example, the imaginary version, I'm thinking that it's like, she's a college student and she goes to class. Oh, she in college. Cool. You would hope so. You would hope so. Hell yeah, bro. Hell yeah. The type of stuff. Yeah. The stuff, hey, the stuff I'm watching, everybody's, everybody's in college. 18 at least. Honestly, at this point, graduate school. At this point, she, maybe she even a PhD student. And you in college. So y'all the same age. Yeah. So we got, we got. We got the same stuff going on. It's not that at the very least she's in the later years of college. It's none of, it's nothing early. It's no grades. It's not, it's not that. Yeah. So just. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nah, that's hard. That's hard. I'm down. Big booty Latina go to school, man. Let's make that happen. That felt like a very normal, that felt like such a normal example until, until you pointed Hey man, these times you gotta specify. You gotta really be like true in a post Epstein. She's not getting on no yellow bus. No. Nah. She getting on the public bus. Yeah. Yeah. She got on the public bus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she can go alone because she's 28 years old. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And she's pursuing a PhD in something challenging. Girls going wild. That era. We get, I get it now. I get it. I get it. Um, Rob, I wanted to, I wanted to ask you, and this will, this will segue into, to some of the lyrics that you brought, but I wanted to ask you about, um, one of the stars of the podcast. Somebody that gets talked about maybe as much, if not more than any other artist that I feel like you might have a relationship with, and that is, uh, Future. Yeah, man. Like, I, uh, I love Future. You know, I saw Future from the beginning. What was the, what was the earliest Future, like, like, what was the earliest time you were hearing Future? Uh, Watch This. I don't know Watch This. You sitting there over watching, I'm going to give you something to look at. Yeah. Watch This was the first Future song that I remember, and that used to play, but I, I never knew the artist's name or nothing. It was just a song that would come on, and it was like, yeah, I see you over there watching, I'm going to give you something to look at. It was, upon, this like, oh, nine, 2010, maybe? Okay. That's a little, that's only a little bit before I got, before he got around to me. Then, uh, then Rax, Rax on Rax. With YC. With YC. Who had the most, uh, he had the furthest along hairline I've ever seen on a person. Sure. His, his hairline was on his forehead, which was something I'd never seen before. Yeah. He had, like, an advanced hairline. I've seen it in person. I seen him Christmas shopping one year. I was Christmas shopping, and then, yeah, my homie was like, there go YC right there. Yeah. And that's when I knew, like, Future had taken off, because we never saw him shopping. Right, right, right. He was sending somebody else to go. He was not Christmas shopping when we were Christmas shopping. It's like, yeah. I don't think, I don't think YC going to have another one. I don't know. Yeah. And lo and behold. Lo and behold. Lo and behold. We ain't, I ain't, I never heard another YC record. But honestly, everything you remember from Racks on Racks is Future. Yeah. When you go back and look, you know, got a campaign going so strong. Yep. Your brain went on talking on the phone, and the tower, we all, you know. And then after that, itching. My fingers, they itching. Mm-hmm. They itching for the paper. And then after that, it's just like, you know. He's going crazy. Tony Montana. Yeah, he's going. That was my earliest. Yeah. Tony Montana. Magic. And Turn on the Lights. Turn on the Lights. That was my, that's my earliest. Turn on the Lights is Future. Turn on the Lights. I love that song. I would sing that song at work. At what job? I used to work at CNN. I was a logger in the sports department. That's cool. Or whatever. But yeah, I would get on my coworkers' nerves. Because he, because when people be like, man, I don't like Future. He's ruining hip hop. And then it's just like, y'all, do y'all have a heartbeat? Right. There's rhythm in our chest. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Future is like, like, you know, y'all be thinking about the words and, like, oh, the rhymes and stuff. It's like, dog, this is soul music. Mm-hmm. This is soul music. And being from the South, it's like Ray Charles, you know, Lil Richard, James Brown. It didn't matter what they was saying. Mm-hmm. Fruity Tootie. Mm-hmm. Oh, Rudy. Yeah, and he was talking about something. That's the cleanest. That's the cleanest. That's the cleanest. That's the cleanest. But we still felt it. James Brown, you don't know what he's saying. You still feel it. Mm-hmm. I feel like with Future, it's like, I tell the truth. Yeah. I tell the truth. Come on, man. Say that. That man just being honest. Yeah. He even has an album called Honest. Duh. Honest. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I talk about Future on this podcast, truly. He had Kelly Rowland doing double negatives. We ain't never seen her mess up her grammar. What song is this? We Don't Wanna Never End. I didn't even know they had a song together. Yeah. Kelly Rowland and Future. He got a song with Kelly Rowland. He got a song with Rihanna. Yeah. He got it. Come on, man. Bro, okay. Hold on. Speaking of which, speaking of that song with Rihanna, that song that he has with Rihanna, it's called Love Song, but it's like 15 O's. L-O-V-E-E-E-E-E-N-F-A-N-G. Legitimately, I would say one of my top 10 favorite Future songs. I think it is incredible. Yeah. It's also the thing that, I don't know if I've ever talked about this on the show, is that Future. what's Drunk in Love is a future song yeah Drunk in Love is a future song that Beyonce took for herself right that is exactly and what I what I think the beautiful thing about Future and I'll stop I'll get off him no I won't I'll keep talking about him forever I just think he can make kind of any kind of song sure and like make it sound incredible like I just don't think there's that many artists that could do Drunk in Love and Love Song and also could do shit and also could do shit and also could do Turn on the Lights and also could do Monster and also could do March Madness I think he has something for like every he can do everything and he also like he's a lover as toxic as he is I do feel like he got like real love in him he like really could write like I think he could've just been an R&B artist if he wanted to do that yeah you know what I mean he a lover but also you know well of course of course he be he be yeah he's been on some demon shit he be busting in a lot of yeah a lot of women yeah yeah we've talked about this before but the the Mother's Day where he wished Happy Mother's Day to every baby mom that he has yeah yeah and individually individually he was like alright this one this one this one this one it was more than I realized yeah you know what I'm saying for sure for sure yeah shout out to shout out to Future I think I think I think he's obviously had an incredible career but I think he's like I think he's like a top 1% artist I've said this on the show before I do think like what like Bob Dylan is to like some people like that's what Future is to me yeah yeah because what because the way people talk about Future that's how I feel when I hear some of that Bob Dylan stuff I be like bro I don't this is not this don't this not touching me this not touching me at all I don't know what you're talking yeah yeah hey hey dog I don't know what he's saying that's not that don't do nothing for me yeah you know what I'm saying but it's like if you put on oh god what's that song if you put on Hallucinating come on if you put on Hallucinating if you put on My Collection yeah that's going if you put on the Percocet and Stripper joint come on might be my favorite Future song potentially yeah I got I even like the the new stuff Kodoski yeah I'm trying yeah that's that's you know what I'm saying that's you know the the lean is taking its toll of course yeah yeah I do I love the thing that I love about him is it seems like sometimes he will like start from just like a little sound like that and be like I'm gonna make a whole song around that yeah you know what I'm saying it's like Perks and Motley's mm-hmm and like every other sometimes you feel like the beam just kicked in yeah of course like he started the song he popped in the beam and then it's like oh turn it turn it like okay keep going yeah he activated now yeah yeah I wonder I've heard him talk about I've heard him basically be like I don't do I don't really be even be doing drugs like that sure but that that's what makes it beautiful yeah because he can tap into that version you feel the drugs yeah and it's not even real right these drugs are imaginary and that's what and you feel it that's what a top level artist could do come on you know what I'm saying yeah where do you what's where do you land on 2 Chainz I love 2 Chainz I love 2 Chainz what a rebrand to go from Titty Boy mm-hmm have you have you ever seen Ludacris Cribs episode in 2 Chainz no no no Ludacris' Diary he goes to 2 Chainz's house he's like yeah I'm going I'm going to my boy Titty Boy's house that's how I keep it real and I was like damn so that's so funny because that's so funny because for for our white listeners basically what happened is basically what happened because black people understand immediately for our white listeners and our not black listeners what happened is Ludacris is at the top of his musical success yeah he is he's doing and people don't remember this because now he's known for doing Fast and the Furious movies mm-hmm Ludacris was on a hot run like very few artists will ever see yeah he was going insane and basically he's on MTV doing a reality show being like I'm going to 2 Chainz's house yeah just to ground myself to humble myself and see what life could look like if it wasn't going as good as it is sure that's basically what he was and with the name Titty Boy yeah it did seem like oh yeah nah like you know what I'm saying this is real as it gets yeah you know yeah the toilet look at the toilet over here man this you know I gotta keep it real man you gotta pull this string you know yeah I gotta keep it real the shower don't work all the time so I gotta take a little bottle when I get over here and just kind of splash it on the top of my head right that's how they're bathing over here but then Duffel Bag Boy he had that moment then it chilled out for a little minute and then they put a true religion story in Lennox Mall mm-hmm and I don't know what happened there but 2 Chainz got them true religion jeans and was like I can't be Titty Boy anymore yeah I'm leveling up I wish I wish I knew about like I haven't actually heard him talk about that story but I wonder what the like exact moment was sure cause there must have been a moment where he's like Titty Boy Titty Boy not it right Titty Boy I'm not where I wanna be and I feel like Titty Boy might be getting in the way of where I'm trying to go I think rappers level up when they create something that everybody can relate to I think relatability goes down goes a long way with rappers so like I'm riding around and getting it yeah anybody on the way to work mm-hmm can be like I'm riding around and getting it mm-hmm it's mine I spend it you know what I'm saying that's really just like having a job yeah I was like when that was dropping I worked at a grocery store yeah I was probably like a late I was in my like late teens and I was working at a grocery store and I objectively was not really getting it you know what I'm saying I was getting it if getting it was $8 an hour yeah but like I was getting my version of it and you're right that is a that's a thing that you could hear and say to yourself and be like yeah no I'm I'm getting I'm getting what I could get I'm still super nostalgic for that time you know what I'm saying yeah I'm smoking unexcited my girl ain't got no stomach you know what I'm saying now we all got stomachs you know yeah that's just something that comes along yeah this comes along with like a later later like period of time of your life I didn't even know my stomach was coming when we were singing that you know what I'm saying yeah you can't even you can't even really like conceptualize it at that at that period of time also was that was that around the same time as Watch Out or was Watch Out later Watch Out's later okay because Watch Out is is dab yeah that's that might be like that was during the dab time yeah yeah that was during the dab time oh no no oh it was Watch Out hit them folks uh it might be a combo you getting mad yeah I'm getting rich doom yeah yeah I feel like he was going crazy yeah he was going crazy shout out to 2 Chainz if you're listening we know that you are pull up to the pod come on we would love to have you I saw you do the Adam Freeland show this show is less popular but it's just as entertaining let's go pull up let's go come on 2 Chainz Hendrix come through future future here's the thing about future I think like 2 Chainz I think like has a pretty good he clearly like has a sense of humor yeah like he's funny on the track and I think he could be like a fun podcast guest he used to have that show where he like ate expensive shit like did the most shit I think he's got a sense of humor future I don't as much as I love him I don't know if I don't know if he's a I don't know if he's a great podcast guest he was great on Narwhal he did go on sensational yeah that was future like future just feels like he's cool in a way that I'm like I don't know if you could ever like be silly I worry cause he feels like really a quintessential like oh you cool like all the time yeah there's no moment where you're like getting goofy at all you know when that that moment on Narwhal where he says sensational of course you know what Narwhal asked him no what was it he was like uh what's your favorite thing to eat he was like cheesecake it's like he was like what is cheesecake like for you and he's like sensational yeah and he says his voice sounds so cool when he says it too it's like kind of gravelly it's his own me sensational like I don't know nobody else who talks like how future is like speaking voice sounds yeah have you ever wondered how movements start I'm Ashley C. Ford host of Into the Mix a Ben & Jerry's podcast about joy and justice this season we're talking to unexpected progressive heroes who found purpose in unexpected places people like Marley Diaz making sure every kid sees themselves in books Kyle Mesteth a native skateboarder building a movement for kids nationwide Joy Aladakun whose music moves from protests to daily commute find out how they started something bigger than themselves and listen wherever you get your podcasts Plan B is a backup birth control option that's there for you when things don't go according to plan it specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporarily delaying ovulation Plan B is available nationwide at all major retailers and through delivery apps like DoorDash no ID prescription or age requirement it's the number one OBGYN recommended brand of emergency contraception and it won't impact your future fertility that's Freedom to Be used as directed what we're this is the thing that I'm always curious about I think I'm always like Atlanta seems like just a really cool place to grow up and everybody that I know that's from there has like such a deep love for like being from I feel like Atlanta Chicago's like this and like Philly's like this where it's like everybody who's from there like fucking loves being from there honestly I wasn't super rah-rah Atlantic - Until you left, that's what happens. I'm like that with Texas. I never had a Braves hat when I was in Atlanta. I always was the person. We didn't have gangs like that. You could wear whatever hat you wanted. So, yeah, Cavs, Knicks, Lakers, whatever. You want to kind of be different. You want to be like, oh, everybody wearing this. I'm going to be wearing that. Yeah, whatever team got a new hat, that's what hat I'm getting. Oh, the Nationals just put out a different hat. Yeah, I'm getting that. You know, like, yeah, hockey, you know, I got a Flyers hat. I'm being different. Yes. That's what it's all built off. I had Atlanta Hawks Sharif Abdul Rahim jersey. Come on, man. And it was just because it was like, I was like, oh, y'all niggas don't, y'all don't got that. Y'all don't got, y'all all wearing like Maverick shit. Y'all wearing like Houston shit. Like, I'm over here with it. That was a rough time for the Hawks. Shout out to Sharif. He did the best he could. He did what he could. But those were some rough years. I was, unfortunately, the Hawks have had, I'll say, mostly rough years. Yes and no. Y'all looking towards the future right now. Yes and no. I mean, they, you know, yeah. They doing their best. They ain't never been near the tip top since they've been to Atlanta. And, yeah, that's the 60s. But y'all had some fun. Shout out Joe Johnson. Shout out to Joe Johnson. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Shout out all of them. Shout out to Jeff Teague, for sure. Shout out to Jeff Teague, who ended up being one of the great NBA podcasters. We didn't know he had a personality. I swear, I never saw Jeff Teague at the comedy club. No. I used to see Joe Johnson looking, like, sad at the comedy club and stuff. And it'd just be like, yeah, man, like, yeah, eventually we gonna get good, you know? But, yeah, I don't remember, you know, we'd see Dwight Howard and stuff, but I don't remember. But Jeff Teague just, you know. I had no idea. Knowing he had that personality. I had no idea he was that funny. Man. I had no idea he was that funny, and he's hilarious. If he would've showed that earlier, he would've made so much more money. I think so, too. But they didn't know about branding. His, well, and also his play style. Yeah, sure. You go for the layup and not the dunk, and now people like. People not, you're not resonating with people. This man, you're doing layups. Rob, you brought some lyrics for us today. Yes. You brought some lyrics for us today, and, you know, I want to get into some of them. Let's talk about this. I mean, we were talking about Future before. I feel like we have to start at Future's lyrics, so let's just talk about this one real quick. Oh, yeah. No, this is from King's Dead on the Black Panther soundtrack. You know, big Marvel project. Of course, huge. This is kind of Killmonger's theme, you know, and the interpolation of it plays throughout the music. It's a huge movie, especially when Killmonger comes into power. There's a part that's super controversial the internet kind of makes fun of. Yeah, but there's context for this. Yeah, let's speak on it. Okay. At the time, there were multiple songs that were taking. Slob on my knob, and going into like, so do you have the G-Eazy song, No Limit? Yep, I remember that. Right? Fuck with me and get some money. Yeah, big hit. To the same cadence of suck a nigga dick or something. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But it's called No Limit. Yeah. Almost like G-Eazy's trying to cover up his tracks. He's trying to distance himself from- Yeah. I wonder if he had the- It's not called Hypnotize. No, it's not. It's just the first line in the song is like, No Limit, I'm a soldier, hey. But it's like, nah, the whole chorus is based off of Slob on my knob. Honestly, I had not even put that together until this exact moment. Then, A$AP Ferg. Oh, he does it. Yeah, he does it. He does Slob on my knob. He does it directly, yeah. Yeah. And so he's, yeah. Also on one of his biggest songs. This is fascinating. The last one, G, that's No Limit, or No Limit's one of G-Eazy's biggest songs. Sure. What's that song called? Slob on my knob. Slob on my knob. None do I lie. Check it with me and do the job. What is that song called? What is the name? We're falling on the chain. Watch Prezzy playing- Playing Jane. Playing Jane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also one of his biggest songs. Sure. Slob on my knob, the legacy. Yeah. Future sees this. Yeah. And is like, oh, people are just going around and just taking what Juicy J and 3-6 Mafia did and turning that into, like, they're basically monetizing an homage to 3-6 Mafia. And so he takes this opportunity to lampoon that by saying, Slob on my knob. To me, that's Future. Like, saying, I see what y'all are doing. Wow. And that is whack. I see what you're- You think this is a cultural criticism that Future is doing where he's saying, like, hey, y'all are actually bastardizing the legacy- Y'all are bastardizing the legacy. Of this really important moment in rap history. And now I'm going to take it back and, I guess, make it his own? Is that what you're saying? Yes. Tell me if I'm wrong. Because look at it. Like, Slob on my knob never left. Okay. That's one of them 3-6 Mafia songs that, like, I don't know, maybe we were freaked out, but they were playing it at parties when I was coming up. Oh, okay. Like, this is a song from the 90s. Y'all was playing that at parties? 10, 15, 20 years later, Slob on my knob still being played. You had your shirt off, huh? Maybe. It might have been around my neck. Yeah, I feel like, you know, they playing Slob on my knob. It's hot in that room, and, yeah, your shirt's- Might have been at a phone party. Yeah. Might have been at a pajama party. Phone party's got to be- Might have been at a, you know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. Yeah. Phone party got to be dead, right? That's- there's no way- I don't- There's no way I could find out. Right. There's not- and that's- and the fact that you don't know that lets me know that you're in the right place in your life. Yeah. Because if you was like, oh, no, it's a phone party right over here. Sure. Like, down off of- Sure. If you knew that information, I'd be looking at you a little- Once that phone get in your eyes, if you are sober, you bouncing. You know, in hindsight, I don't see what the upside of the phone party ever was. What was the cool part about it? Because I remember going and being like, all right, well, now these- now my Sperry's is gone. Yeah. Now my Sperry's is all fucked up. Wearing Sperry's to a phone party is- What's the right footwear? Something you don't care about. Interesting. Like the shoes you like to wear? They always have a material- I guess they- I guess they're a boat shoe. That's the thing is I was like- I guess you mean if you're wearing the- Yeah. They ready for like something that's aquatic. That's where my head was at. Sure, sure. Was you- was you- speaking of which, were you on the- were you on the Black Boy, White Boy swag? Were you doing that? Oh, yeah. You was- because I know in Atlanta it was going kind of crazy. Yeah. But like- like before that, I mean like- actually when Black Boy, White Boy swag was going on, I was way more hype beast. You was wearing big. I was a Carmelite. I was a Carmelute guy. I was, you know, a 10 Deep, Lamar and Dolly, Supreme, Bape. Yeah, yeah. I was on that type of tip. So I was kind of separate from- because we was- we already was doing polo when Dro first came out, when Kanye first came out. You know, like that time, that's when- that's when I was doing polo. And the rock and roll stuff was like kind of right after that. I remember that. Because Black Boy, White Boy. It was two- it was two-folds. Either you were- you was on the rock side, the Young L.A. side, and you had a mohawk. You picked up a guitar. Did you ever have the mohawk? I did. I had the mohawk briefly. Okay. But I had the mohawk when it was just like me, Diddy- And Roscoe Dash? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't- I didn't stick with it. Yeah, sure. So I had the mohawk. It was- I had like- like dark in the middle and then like- like light on the sides, but it was before people started doing the mound with it. Oh. Yeah. That was- that was a nasty time. I didn't- I didn't- I didn't care. Did you have designs in it, too? You had designs? Oh, yeah. Okay. And I lost a picture. I- I got kicked off Facebook in 08, and I don't have the pic, but I had an ill- I had an ill mohawk. Okay. Like, it was crazy. Huh. Yeah. Okay. You're right. You're right. You could either do- the Black Boy, White Boy swag was either you could do the mohawk with the designs, and you could have like a studded belt and like a wallet chain. Sure. Because that's- because Wayne was on that. That's on that side of the- Wayne was on that side. Or Jim Jones was on that side. Yeah. Totally. You could be on that side of it, or you could be like- you could be Sperry's, and you could be Sperry's and like Ralph Lauren polo buttoned all the way to the top. Sure. And then- and then like- it's- the shorts still wouldn't be short. The shorts would be like khaki shorts. They'd be like cargo shorts. Yeah. They'd be like cargo shorts, no socks. Mm-hmm. I was- I was on that side of the divide. I never got a wallet chain. Yeah. I never- Okay. I couldn't go over there. The- the only thing- was there were other people Like, preppy, you had to do right. It had to be the right fit because you had the other guys who didn't mess with black people at all. Sure. And they polo stopped, like, right here. Sure. So you had to have your polo had to be, like, a certain level so we know, all right, you still love the culture. What side of the fence are you on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Right. Because, like, you know, if you preppy, you got your size, right? Uh-huh. If you got the big polo man, then you got a big sleeve. Right. Because you baggy with it. The big polo man was. That's more like Boosie, wipe me down, Webby. Yeah. Like, that side of it. If you had the big polo, you was involved in some activities. Boy, doing comedy during the big polo era was fun. The big, with the huge horse. There were so many comedians with big polo jokes. Oh, really? See, this was in Atlanta. This was not. This was in Atlanta. That was, like, a top subject matter. You had to have a, like, I can see the dick on the horse. That polo too big. Like, you had to have a joke like that at the time. Did you have one? No. Okay. You was moving in a different direction. Yeah, I was moving in a different direction. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was something I noticed. I was like, should I? It feels like it's covered, but. For those of y'all who weren't around. There was normal Ralph Lauren polo, where it was, like, just a normal-sized horse. Yeah. Just a little guy, probably. You know, not too much bigger than that. And then there was a version of it where it was, like. There were, like, actual polo jerseys. So, like, there were, like, what you would actually play if you were, like, playing the sport of polo. Sure, sure. And the guy would take up, like. He'd be, like, two feet. And then they would also. They would have, like, countries attached to him, too. It would be, like, Italy. Sure. It would be, like, España. And a random number on the sleeve. Exactly. It was, like, an actual, like, polo jersey. Yeah, yeah. And, like, that was for a certain type of. I never could go over it. But a certain type of person. Yeah. gravitated towards the giant polo. Because they had to let him know. And then. Yeah. And then the fake polo started being. USPA. With the humongous. Yeah, yeah. Remember USPA? Oh, yeah, no. And if you had the USPA, then it was kind of quiet for you. Sure. If you had that, you was kind of. Because it was a similar thing, and it looked almost like it was. Yeah. But it didn't say polo on it. It didn't say Ralph Lauren. It just said USPA. Yeah. It's United States Polo Association. Polo Association. Yeah. Which was. Yeah, never quite got off the ground. I'm Ashley C. Joy Aladakun, whose music moves from protests to daily commutes. Find out how they started something bigger than themselves. And listen wherever you get your podcasts. Plan B is available nationwide at all major retailers and through delivery. Delivery apps like DoorDash. Use as directed. Wait, do you have anything else about King's Dead that you would like to. anything else you'd like to give us around that? Because I've never actually heard this take. Yeah. Because what about the voice? How did you feel about the voice? How did you feel like that played into his commentary? I mean, but it's a switch. So to me, that's an indication that this is a different thing from the rest of the verse. Sure. Also, you know, King's Dead missed me with that bullshit. Yeah. And the bullshit is the appropriation of slob on my knob. Whoa. This is. This is special. I've never heard anybody make this connection. And you got to think of the context. I'm not pushing back on you on this at all. I got to take some time to think about it. Yeah. Because you really. You putting me onto some. I just thought he was freaking it. I just thought he was being future and like. Because he's experimented with a lot of different voices. Right. I think he was like. Because I remember where I was. This is 2017 or 2018. Yeah. Black Panther comes out, I think, February of 18. Okay. So this is like. This comes out, yes. And it's like. It's hot. I'm in Texas. We used to. In Austin, we used to like have like a run of comedians that would like hoop on Sundays. And I remember somebody playing this on the speaker. Yeah. And I remember like. It wasn't my turn. And I was like waiting to play the next game. And I remember hearing this and be like, well, hold up. Right. We got to. I've never heard nothing like this in my whole. I heard a lot of rap songs. I ain't never heard nobody do this before. Yeah. And it was polarizing. A lot of people gave him shit. But I think it's another example of him being an innovator and a pioneer. Misunderstood, man. Misunderstood genius. Pluto is misunderstood, man. Shout out to Pluto. Shout out to Pluto. And he's also much like the planet Pluto, not giving the respect that it deserves. Come on. Being thought of as being lesser when actually it's really important. Facts. You feel me? I think. I legitimately do think. I think Future's name should be up with whatever great artist you think of. Yeah. Of our time. Right. It should be right up there with Kanye. It should be right up there with. Come on. All of that. Whoever your top artists are, Future should be mentioned in that. Sure. But I don't think the world's ready to. I think we'll look back on it. I think we'll look back on it in 20 years and people are like, oh, that was actually. He was really doing something. Yeah. I do think. I do think that. Let's get into some. Let's get into some more. Some more stuff that you brought. I'll let you take it wherever you want from here. You got a couple other songs we can talk about. We can talk about any of them. Oh, yeah. Let's talk about Junior Mafia Player's Anthem. Are you familiar with this? I am. Yeah, of course. Niggas, grab your dick if you love hip-hop. Bitches, rub your titties if you love hip-hop. You got to open up the words that I say because this type of shit happens every day I love rap. Rap music is my thing. Yeah. Number one music genre, that's what I listen to most. Okay. I never understood why we had to grab because we love hip-hop. Yeah. Uh-huh. And I never understood why that type of thing would happen every day. Like, it would have to be a special occasion. I'd have to, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Maybe on a set of 8 Mile. Right. If I was there when Eminem rapped that and I didn't know what was coming and you know what I'm saying? It was like. You said your real name is Clarence. Yeah. That's a hold on to your dick moment. Yeah, sure. But yeah, I don't know if I love hip-hop that much. Interesting. Right. Interesting. You know what? Let me give you an alternate read on this. Maybe he's saying like, hey, hold on. Hold on. Wait a second. Hold on. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on. What if he's saying what if this is cultural commentary again? What if this is societal commentary? Sure. What if he's being like, look, as black people we've been disenfranchised so often that like we don't feel like we have a lot. But you know what they can't take away from us? Our physical bodies. So maybe this is a reminder of the fact that like, hey, you still got you still got dick. You still got titties. They can't take it away from you. They took everything else away from us but they can't take the music away and they can't take titties away. So hold on to it. Okay. All right. Are you willing to come with me there? I'm willing I'm willing to come with you there for sure. For sure. I mean, like, here's the thing about, you know, I think that the penis grab was a was a big 70s thing. Oh, I think of it as like a 90s thing. I think it was I think it I think it starts as a 70s thing. They got the tight pants. You got to adjust and stuff. Right, right, right. And you see it in a lot of like, you know, blaxploitation and stuff. Michael Jackson, he at heart, he a 70s nigga. Of course. That's where he came up. So he's still he's still grabbing it well into the 90s. Right. That's one of his big moves. You know when that Junior Mafia dropped, you know, you know, you know how Mike gave it up. You already know what Mike was doing when that Junior Mafia dropped. Uh-huh. He hit a spin and grabbed it for hip hop. Mike did love rap music. Yeah. I feel like, wait, we haven't even talked about this. I mean, we're running out of time, but we haven't even talked about this. You're one of the biggest Michael Jackson fans I know. I mean, Michael Jackson is my entry point to the past. Sure, sure, sure. Me, me seeing Michael Jackson as a kid made me want to be like, what's going on with the past? What's going on with these reruns? Uh-huh. What's going on with history? What's going on with any of this? Because I got to see more Michael Jackson. Sure, sure. Yeah. So you could say, I mean, that sounds like you're a big fan. Yeah, but I would say that, you know what I'm saying, I'm a fan of a lot of music from his era. Sure. I wouldn't be limited to just, you know, I'm not one of them like Mike in a vacuum, Jackson, Jackson 5 in a vacuum without other stuff going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. I got you. Did you watch the movie? I did watch the movie. How did you feel about it? It felt like if I watched it, my own biopic. It was like, "Yo, y'all leaving the lot out. Y'all pissing me off. Y'all leaving the lot out." That's not how it went. Rob Markman: It didn't. Rob Markman: That's how I feel the whole time. They had afros in the first scene. Rob Markman: Yeah. Rob Markman: That's not, hey. Rob Markman: That's not how it all went down. Rob Markman: How they have afros before the Black Panthers. Rob Markman: Mm, you think it's too early with the- Rob Markman: Yeah. Rob Markman: Ah, I see. Rob Markman: They got afros when Martin Luther King alive. Make this make sense. Rob Markman: Yeah, it's just not how it added up. Rob Markman: Yeah. Rob Markman: It does feel like they have- Rob Markman: The movie makes it seem like they invented the afro. Rob Markman: It does. It makes it seem like they were some of the first people with it. Rob Markman: Yeah. Rob Markman: Also, it felt like they went to one talent show, and then after they went to one talent show, then they moved into a mansion- Rob Markman: Sure. Rob Markman:. in LA. Rob Markman: Sure. Rob Markman: You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman: Sure. Rob Markman: There was- Rob Markman: But in context, when they get on, Mike is like 11. Rob Markman: Yeah. Rob Markman: I mean, you got to learn to walk, crawl, you know what I'm saying? They did hit pretty fast, when you think about it, but I do think that you do need more time to see the grind and see the work. And also, the way it starts with, "Hey, stand right there." And it's just kind of like- Rob Markman: That's a really good Colman Domingo. Rob Markman: That was actually incredible. Rob Markman: Some people I could do for like two words, you know what I'm saying? I can't do a whole sentence, but yeah, yeah, yeah. But it just made it feel like, "Wait. Y'all making it. We're not even seeing that Mike loves this. Y'all making it like they forced him to do it." Rob Markman: And it never made him happy. Rob Markman: And that works with no kid. Rob Markman: Yeah. Rob Markman: No kid, you know what I'm saying? Yes, Mike was forced to do stuff he didn't want to do, probably, and they probably took it way further than he would have took it with his kid brain. But at the same time, if he don't have that drive and that interest, it ain't. Rob Markman: It had to be fun first. Rob Markman: It had to be fun first, and then eventually he's like, "Oh yeah, I could do it." And then eventually his dad was like, "No, we doing this all the time." Yeah. Rob Markman: And then he's kind of like, "Oh man, I was just having fun." Right. Rob Markman: And his dad was like, "Nah, we don't do fun in this house." Sure. Rob Markman: That's not as good of a Coleman Domingo impression. So what are they going to do? They in the house, it's nine kids, you know what I'm saying? They can't get a child labor laws. There's only so many jobs they could have, but they will let them sing. Rob Markman: They can sing and dance. They will let them sing and dance. Yeah. Rob Markman: And they can't control. And you could do it as much as you want. Yeah. Rob Markman:. as much as you want in the house. Everybody want to eat, but don't nobody want to work? Man, get in there, spin. Rob Markman: Rob Hayes, number one Joe Jackson defender. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Rob Markman: Rob said, "Nothing great comes without sacrifice." You going to have to get that ass whooped a couple times. We ain't seen no bruises. We ain't seen no black eyes. I don't watch hours of Jackson performances, you know what I'm saying? Whatever. I don't know. Rob Markman: I had corporal punishment as a kid. Hey, didn't we all? Rob Markman: Maybe it's just because I'm like, "Well, you know what I'm saying? What did they do?" By that metric, because it's like you're doing well, you got a good career for yourself, and you also had corporal punishment. By that metric, if you would have got your ass beat more, you could be in an even greater place. Rob Markman: I don't know about that. I don't know about. Rob Markman: That's kind of. I don't know about that, but I don't think. Rob Markman: Because you're saying. Because you're saying it had to happen for them to get where they got. Rob Markman: Yeah, but I think also it's like. It's a lot of kids in a. You're saying he needed to keep order in some type of way. Rob Markman: Yeah. You going to let the kids take over? You going to let them run the show? I come home from work, the string is broken on my guitar. I don't got the money. I got to feed all these kids. Rob Markman: Yeah. Now I got to find a guitar string? Rob Markman: Yo, if y'all are listening right now and you're like, "Yo, should I whip my kids, yes or no?" Rob says, "Do you want them to be great?" "Do you want them to be great?" Yeah, if you don't want nobody to faint when your kid walk in the room, sure. Rob Markman: Sure. Keep your hands off of them. Yeah. Rob Markman: But if you want them destined for success. Right. Rob Markman: If you want them doing Dodger Stadium. You want them to know where to get diamond socks? My God. Rob Markman: My God. My God. My God. Rob Markman: Mike had diamonds in his socks. He did. I actually didn't realize how sparkly the socks were until I saw the movie. Rob Markman: Yeah. I didn't remember the socks being that sparkly. I thought it was normal socks. Rob Markman: Dude. I thought the jacket was glittery and the socks was regular. Rob Markman: Nah, the socks had some sparkle to them. Rob, we got to get ready to get out of here, but before we do, we got a voicemail from a listener that we're going to listen to real quick. Rob Markman: Oh, fire. Let's do it. Have you ever wondered how much money you make? I'm Ashley C. People like Marlee Dias, making sure every kid sees themselves in books. Joy Oladokun, whose music moves from protests to daily commute. It's the number one OB/GYN-recommended brand of emergency contraception, and it won't impact your future fertility. Use as directed. On that "Hey Marie" song, "One Thing," even though she never says what she think—what he did. Yeah. I think he ate her ass. I think that was her first time getting her ass ate. Was that the whole voicemail? I never had my ass ate, but I do imagine I might say, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah." Like— Like, just involuntarily. Yeah. Just involuntarily. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it would change the trajectory of your life? 'Cause that's what it feels like happened in this song. Whatever this one thing is, it does feel like it got her whole situation fucked up. Wait, 'cause I don't even remember what the—here's the thing. When one thing comes on, I'm boogieing. Yeah. I don't even know what the verses say. Just when the beat drops. Yeah. When the beat drops, you're— Nah, nah, nah, nah, duh. Nah, nah, nah, I can't believe it. I mean— She says, "Oh, I've been trying to let it go, trying to keep my eyes closed, trying to keep it just like before. The times when I thought—never even thought to speak. Don't want to tell you what it is. Oo-wee, it felt so serious. Got me thinking about you so much. I want to set it off, but it's this one thing that caught me—" Well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What was the name of this listener? Do we have his name? No, it's a fan from Charlotte. Shout out to Charlotte. I've only been to the airport, but the Bojangles is delicious. He might be—there's—I can't say that he's wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Like he said, she never does say what the one thing is. Sure. His theory does—it does line up. 'Cause it does—she's saying something happened to her that she can't leave—she can't leave alone. Yeah. And it very well could be like—'cause it's probably not nothing normal. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. You feel me? You feel me? Yeah. It's gotta be something she's never experienced before. Sure. You know? And that might be—she got turned around, got that butt ache. It could be that. That's crazy. That's special. Wow. Yeah. Whoever—whoever—wait, hold on. Let's go on to the next verse. "Hey, we don't know each other well." All right. So he wildin'. He wildin'. That's the case. He wildin'. Yeah. That's what I'm—that's even—that catches you even more off guard. Yeah. 'Cause it's like, any activities that I've done with— Sure. That's somebody that I've known— Yeah. —for a good little minute. Yeah, yeah. And we've got a rapport. Yeah. And that's how we get to that zone. Mm-hmm. But she's sayin', "Hey, we don't know each other well, so why I keep pickin' up my cell? Memories just keep ringin' bells. Oh, oh, oh, oh." Mm. "Hear voices I don't wanna understand. My car key's jinglin' in my hand." 'Cause you about to go back over there. "My high heels are clickin' towards your door. Oh, oh, oh, oh." Mm. "Huh. Whoa. I can't deny I'm tired of it." Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Huh. Whoa. I can't deny I'm tired of trying. Nothing left for me to do but to keep on seeing you. I'm hoping you can keep a secret from me, from me, from me. But what you did is this one thing that got me tripping. I can't argue with your logic. I missed your name, friend, but whatever. Whatever you want, I can't say that you're not right. One thing is on the Hitch soundtrack. That sounds right. I don't know 100%, but that sounds. So did he go 90 and she went 10? Clearly. Clearly. Clearly she was leaning a little bit, and he said, girl, turn that thing around. Yeah, turn that thing around. I got something special for you. I got something that you ain't never experienced. And she said, oh, oh, oh, oh. Jeez. - Yo, that's wild. That's wild. What's crazy is we live in a time where this is gonna get back to A. Marie. - Absolutely. Absolutely. She will, we will put this, we're gonna clip out this voicemail and A. Marie, if you're listening and we know that you are, pull up to the pod. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about the one thing or just make a video about this. It's, I remember this song and this moment well. - Oh yeah. - You are absolutely right, Rob. is from the Hitch soundtrack. - Yeah. - Here's the thing, Rob doesn't like when I point this out, but Rob knows every single thing. - That's not true. - Rob has like a memory, he knows where everything is from, everything is like, he'll like, you'll be talking about something, he'll be like, "Oh yeah, that was on the soundtrack of like Sonic 3." And you'll be like, "What?" And then you'll go back and look and you'll be like, "Yeah, that song is from the soundtrack of Sonic 3." Or he'll be like, "Oh yeah, he was like, "he was the cop's best friend from that movie from 1996." And then you'll look back and it'll be like, "Yeah, I know that." It all checks out. - I'm doing it randomly though. Like when I get in that bag, it is, you know what I'm saying, to like move the conversation. I was trying to get the '90s 10 joke off. - Yes, yes, yes. - So I had to say that-- - You had to connect it back to the Hitch. - Yeah, yeah, get it back to Kevin James, you know what I'm saying? That's all it is. - Shout out to Hitch. I saw Hitch in theaters and so I was really, I was around for this. I feel like they play that, I feel like they play one thing in like a scene where they're dancing, where it's like Kevin James. - Oh yeah, yeah, we, yeah, they out there. - Yeah, 'cause Will Smith's trying to prepare him for wherever they're dancing at. I think one thing is that the song is playing in that moment. - That makes sense, yeah, yeah. Rob, we gotta get out of here, but thank you so much for pulling up. - Thanks for having me. - Of course. - Yeah, yeah, I've been trying to get on here for a minute. Not actively, not asking, but just like getting pissed when I see other people on it. - You're like, "Yeah." - That's it. - You're like, "Damn, they got him on there?" - Yeah, yeah, nobody can hear me, you know what I'm saying? - But it's in your heart. - Yeah, but in my heart it's like, "Damn, when they gonna ask me?" - I think everybody in our field has that to like certain things. - Sure, sure. - You know what I'm saying? Mine used to be the HBO show "High Maintenance." I just saw so many people that I knew and that I was friends with being on "High Maintenance" and I was like, "I gotta, probably next season, "I'ma probably have to be on there." - Yeah, for sure. - 'Cause they probably, and then the show ended, it got canceled or whatever, and it never happened. But yeah, that was my version of that. - But you in the mix, man. You doing big things, you know? - It's going fine. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You have multiple hair colors, you know what I'm saying? - That's true. - You doing your thug things a lot. - I did. I'm trying some things. We do have to leave, but did you ever, have you ever dyed your hair at any point in your life? - No. - That was my one time. That was the first time I ever tried it. - I wanted to go Heinz 57 when I was in college, like that color. - Okay. - You know what I'm saying, but I never did. I never went full Malcolm X with it. - Gotcha. - But I wanted to. Yeah, yeah. - Okay. - For sure, for sure. - It's not too late. - That's true. - It's not too late. - That's true. I got the grays now, so now I'm just like, yeah, yeah. - That's fly, though, 'cause it's like a salt and pepper situation, which I think is a good zone to be in. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - Anyway, Rob, before we get out of here, you got anything you want to plug for the people? - The Inconsistent Podcast with Rob Hayes. I talked to different comedians on there. That comes out when it's ready. It's inconsistent, it's a brand. In Season with Jemele Johnson, we talk about sports and gear year round. Hoops, soccer, football. And then, Finding Out with Robin Mandel. We're on the 85 South Network. We just talk about different things that we've learned and try to teach each other stuff. Kind of trying to combat the anti-intellect and the anti-sexualism out there, but we end up sounding dumb anyway. - You know, we all grew up and went to American schools. - Come on. - So it's like, did we fail or did the system fail us? Let's talk about it. - That's real. - You feel me? - Yeah, public school kid right here, for sure. - Same, same. Rob, appreciate you pulling up. - Of course. - And yeah, we'll see y'all next time. Bye. - My Favorite Lyrics is a production by DiscoNap. If you guys like what you hear, leave a review and tell a homie about the show. And make sure to follow us at My Favorite Lyrics, @MyFavoriteLyricsPod on all social platforms, except for Twitter. We offer that. You can learn more about this week's guest and the My Favorite Lyrics team by checking out the show's notes. And thank you to the guys that made the show happen. Executive producer, Lauren Mandel. Producer, Carmen Kerrigan. Our editor, Nicole Lyons. Fringe Podcast, who engineered this episode. And yeah, that's all the people that I'm gonna thank for now.