Slayyyter : The Wor$t Interview in America

Somebody asked me how I define myself and I didn't know what to say because how can someone be defined when we're always evolving. I've been so many things. I'll be so many others. Because identity is not a performance, it's an exploration. Never the same, but always myself. That's the paradox. Paradox Intense and the new Sweet Chemistry by Prada. Spend more time together. Shop now at palmolive.com. This project I was like, no, like you're wrong. This is sick. You have bad taste. People want unconventional beauty and like what is attractive are things that feel human and real. What your sound on this album is, is unlike anything I've ever heard. I could ever receive. No one can make music like you right now. I always had some major delusion and I dressed really crazy and I would go to the bar in like crazy shoes and I was like super bleach blonde and I always was like, I'm Slater. Like before The Wise even, I was always like, I'm Slater. Who is the worst girl in America? Me! Slater, you are living proof it takes 10 years to be an overnight success. Like I am so inspired by your story coming from St. Louis, Missouri, making music in your mom's closet. You were a waitress, a receptionist. You're about to play Coachella. I could not be more excited to be talking to you today. Welcome to Nicki at Night. Thank you. I'm so excited. Thank you for having me. I wish you could have seen my face like opening the email. I like that one have been obsessed with. Yes, girl. Well, I just like love your show. I just wanted to like yap with you. Even, even off, like even off camera. I was just like, I feel like we'd have like, we'd have a good little key session. Oh, and we will. And we will. I like, I don't even know where to begin. I mean like this album is it. Thank you. Like you have to know that this is the one. Thank you. I'm happy. Everyone feels that way. Cause I was like, I thought it was going to be like, like the nail in my coffin or something. Cause I was like, this is not, it's like electropunk. It's not really like dance floor pop vibes. And I feel like that's kind of what my last project was a little more heavy with. And everyone was like, we love that. And I was like, I don't want to like, I want to like look ugly and like, like I want to like look ugly and like, like run around with like a baseball bat. aggression and like angst to it and like what so caught me is like the way you use like bass and guitar especially in this project compared to your last like here's the way like a song like cannibalism starts where it's like yeah yeah you know what i mean like it's got that like dark eerie like thank you just deliciousness to it yeah it was kind of the first time i i started uh playing around with like live instrumentation so like almost every song has some form of like live instrumentation on it cannibalism is probably the most that's like real drum they had like a pack from a producer of like these like real drum loops and samples and there was one that had this like it was like groovy and i was like yeah they're like we don't know if you'll like this and i was like no no no and i really i loved yeah it's like groovy spooky it is i love it everyone online was like it's scooby-doo i was like sure the hex girls yeah i was like i was thinking more like the cramps but sure scooby-doo you know what we'll take either scooby-doo we'll take scooby-doo was everything yeah i was speaking of where there is something near and dear to my heart that i got to talk to you about yeah and i know and that is like your obsession with tumblr oh yeah like oh my god have so many theories as to how like tumblr created this generation of music yeah like when i especially like when you think of the sort of alternative girls like the lana del rey types like i just thought it was so interesting how like it was the first time you saw fans like create an entire world yeah i feel like that era of music was so like the visuals from artists were so tied into the music and like the sound like the sound i feel like things kind of got away from that a little bit but like everything's so cyclical it's kind of drawing back to like visuals being like married to the music people make again but yeah oh my god in high school i was obsessed with tumblr i was like i was like i'm so annoying i was one of those people who was like kind of early on it in like my high school and i remember there was that dumb thing where people would be like if you have tumblr like don't talk about tumblr yes yes yes what the fuck it was fierce it's a social media platform but sure but like i remember i just loved it i found so much music i found like like marine and the diamonds i and like lana and like all these different artists i just love so much and i i just remember i feel like that was kind of my first sense of like image curation where like i would reblog things purposely that kind of felt like cohesive with each other and like i was really particular about like the way my blog looked which is so silly but like i you know i was like i was like i was like i was like i recently got back on it too and i just i love it i feel like it's yeah it's beautiful i there i also think what's so interesting to me about tumblr is it was the it is and remains like the only social media platform that like had a defined aesthetic yeah like there's no like you ubiquitous like visual to tiktok or like visual to instagram but like tumblr had like a an a type of vision a vibe yeah it was like it was like alt girl social media and like i feel like back in that time like if you wanted to be a girl you had to be a girl you had to be a girl you had to be a girl if you wanted like a vibey picture you would just google like something tumblr and like you could find like like like glitter on the floor but like not a stock image you just be like glitter on the floor tumblr and you'd find like you're like aesthetically pleasing version of that no for sure and also i also think it was one of the things that really made me realize how much community is around music yeah like this idea of bonding with a complete stranger because you're on some like lana del rey ahs fan edit blog like you know what i mean like it was just out outrageous yeah and it's so interesting to see how much of that has shifted like now we've gotten into like i think like the twitter era of it for a while and your fans like they people love you on twitter you are queen twitter thank you i feel like that that's kind of everyone has like i feel like a social media pinpoint where like their trajectory starts mine was definitely twitter people made like those like do you remember those weird fan edits that would be like a bunch of clips like so fast like they'd be like trash like with the wind blowing trash down the street and then like people jumping up and down it'd be like really quick cuts do you know do you know what i'm talking about those really fast edits people made that to my song mine and that's what kind of started circulating me like back in the day interesting yeah it's so beautiful how like that can just happen to us i know like it's just completely outside of you and it it just finds its thing i know i was like at my job i was like sweeping hair up being like what the hell like checking the internet checking the internet constantly my boss would be like get off your phone and i'd be like fine then i'd be like what yeah we just hit 3 000 plays period period and how far you've come girl oh how far you've come i mean i want to like take it all the way back to like you're from st louis missouri yeah and also you make music that i would not say is very reflective of st louis missouri really i feel like it's i feel like in the past no but maybe now yeah really how so yeah i feel like there's like i don't know there's kind of like a like a lot of bands and like a punk scene and then there's also like a big like rap scene in st louis and i feel like all of that is like that can kind of be found on this particular project interesting not really in like you know there's not really dance pop per se there are a lot of artists though that come out of st louis i feel like there's a lot of electronic producers and like a ton of people i know in music that are from st louis yeah yeah um i was thinking more from even like this like when you think of like the tropes of middle america it's so of this and i'm i'm from virginia so like very much the experience that i grew up in of this traditional american life you know like what i mean and like saying that you're gonna move to los angeles to become an artist is like a laughable thing in those sorts of spaces yeah absolutely so like how was that like how was it like experiencing people in missouri is this i don't know i always had some major delusion and i dressed really crazy and i would go to the bar in like crazy shoes and i was like super bleach blonde and i always was like i'm slater like before the wise even i was always like i'm slater and i just always from a very young age i knew that like music was really it for me especially when i got around like middle school age and i was kind of awkward and like i wasn't like the cutest girl i wasn't like very skinny like i was kind of like a like i was just like an awkward you know tween teen whatever but like in my head i was just like no like i'm gonna like be like lady gaga like i don't know what they're not seeing but like i see it and it's so funny yeah i just yeah i always i just i don't know i always uh i didn't need other people to like be down with what i was doing especially like my my mom you know bless her but she was very much you need a backup plan kind of vibe as most parents are yeah but um i just kind of went for it i like hated school hated like working but i was in i was in a position where i was like if i make music in my closet and like work these like stupid jobs for the rest of my life like that's fine i just want to make stuff i just want to make music i want to like cut up jeans and make little shorts and i want to like i was just always creative and like making clothes and making making music and photo booth shoots and yeah tell me about making music in your mom's closet like that's insane yeah it was my it was my bedroom closet i had like a closet that could fit like it wasn't a very big closet but like i could fit like some recording stuff like down on the ground so i'd like sit on the floor in my closet and that's where i like started recording all my like when i moved home from college because i did a one-year stint and failed out sorry that's sometimes you gotta walk down the path that's not meant for you to figure out expensive mistake i will say and you know what i would argue most of college is an expensive mistake even as somebody who finished it is so it is oh my god i told my mom i was like i don't want to go like i'm paying for it like i don't want to go and she's like you have to get a degree and i went and they i was just like nope and then i came right back but um yeah i i just started working on like music and i would find like producers on soundcloud and i would kind of steal their beats like i would like just like rip their beat with like an mp3 like converter and i would like write music over it like i'd find beats that were inspiring that's actually how uh like my song serial killer on like trouble paradise random deep cut that like no one probably cares about but i like found pilot priest on like band camp or soundcloud or something and and the instrumental underneath serial killer is just like one that i found it was like one of the first songs i ever wrote like in my life it just and i like brought it back for like this one's fun yeah i kind of love that i just love the vibe it was like spooky it was like cannibalism but yeah yeah yeah yeah i am interested so like you have a song on this album called old technology yeah is that like pulling from the inspiration of this like what does old technology mean to you kind of i feel like it's like when i got back on tumblr and like i guess early 2024 i started buying a ton of ipods and i kept calling this album like the genre i kept calling it ipod music i was like this is not i like didn't want to call it a genre that like anyone uses i was like this is like ipod music specifically and i feel like that could mean a lot of things but it just meant like that like sweet spot of indie electronic from like 2006 i don't know if you've heard of it but it's like a lot of music and it's like a lot of 7 to 2012 maybe i feel like that's like you know a broad spectrum but i feel like all the music during that era you would have like a bunch of different different stuff on your ipod you would be very intentional and like curate what you wanted on it but it would be like different things and every song in the world wasn't at your disposal like during that time yeah you'd have to pick and be like all right like kid cuddy song like lady gaga the fame uh like black eyed peas or like you too or like you know like lil wayne like i feel like there was always kind of like a random a randomness to what people would have and now everything is so algorithmic and sorted by playlists and all this stuff and i just feel like i love like the squashing of you know yeah and i also think like the interesting thing about when you had to purchase music that way was like there's less discovery but the deeper the depth of connection to that song is like you're married to it you know what i mean like you paid for it it's there forever you paid for it and you're at school and there's no like wi-fi on this device and all you have is the like the other night right and yeah so i and i feel like as the world advances and there's all this like ai and there's all this high-tech stuff i think it's interesting how people kind of reject that or at least like cool people that are like you know like even the fact that like vinyls are such a thing what a pain in the ass way to listen to music but they're so cool and it feels good to hold something yeah and it feels good to like put something on and then an album plays uninterrupted all the way through like i feel like even though it's more of like a pain in the ass or it's like older technology if you will people like it because it's just it feels like it's a more sincere way to like experience music for sure it's this physical manifestation of like the emotion attached to the song i think i also think that something interesting about vinyl is it's like you're buying artwork yeah so many people i know have vinyls that they keep sealed on purpose or have never even really played but it is home decor oh yeah that's an interesting thing i think that happened with music and and this even this idea of the album cover i think shifted in that way yeah because it's like you're selling a painting almost yeah you know what i mean yeah i feel like i feel like a vinyl is like kind of the best way to really like see an album cover and it's like full glory yeah even cds that feel so small but like i don't know i feel like vinyls are really nice but yeah the thing about people being so pristine with them i feel like some of my fans when i see them talk about how like careful they are they would have a heart attack if they saw how i treat my vinyls i'm like throwing them over my apartment boom like i don't give a fuck yeah it's really bad what's i let's talk about this album cover oh yeah because a very different direction yeah the last um i mean even the entire aesthetic like this bohemian sort of like americana yeah this is a jacket i wore this really yeah period it's like it's a jacket i've been wearing this jacket for years and i just like was like threw it on and i love that so like where did the idea for the visuals of this project come i feel like i kept when i was like talking about making this i was like oh my god i'm gonna make this album cover i'm gonna make this album cover early on this is such a funny thing to say but i kept telling everyone i was like i want to be like ugly like i want to be like i want to be like ugly and everything like i want to like look like nasty and i'm gonna like stop getting botox and i'm gonna be like like you know what i mean and i feel like with this cover there was kind of a concept i had in my head that was like a little more literal or like had like a bit more of like a like it was a little more like planned out and then we like tried to get that shot and i was just like this looks like this doesn't look right this looks kind of funky and i kept getting opinions and it was interesting to me like i like thought we had this image and then i was like why don't we crop this in so like my face is kind of out of it and chandler burton who's like he's he's been in a lot of the videos he's incredible he's like a skater and he does drag and he's just amazing but he's like wearing the hat with the thing and i was just like i feel like i love that it says the album title but it's like on a hat and um i just really loved that like image and how it was kind of like me on the side and then there's like a male um like on the other side and then it's just like this dollar sign in the middle that's so kind of like violently red and like you know and i love when artists have a symbol i think that's also something that used to be very popular of bands right like you think of the rolling stones yeah like that is like some weird thing that has completely fallen out of modern music for sure and i think it's like really cool that you're using that yeah thank you i feel like a lot of it comes from you know i i did not grow up with like any money i grew up with like no money at all pretty much and i feel like that was always a really big insecurity of mine always something that i felt like held me back in life if only i had a rich parent to pay for this or that or like maybe if i had this or that i would be bigger like even like when i started working in music and like making money i'm so financially illiterate and irresponsible because so are my parents and like i've just i never was taught like i don't know how to like save like it's like i feel like when you don't have money and you get it you're like oh my god it's gonna go away i better spend it all and like buy me buy like this like dress that i want because i'm not gonna have it like in a month or something like that and i'm and so money's just always been like this weird like pain in my ass thing but like i don't really care about it like i don't do i never like make a choice to make money and i so i feel like this dollar sign symbol feels so like it's almost just like uh it's like a parody or something where it's like i don't really this album isn't about making money i don't really care about money i don't really have money even still i'm like i'm like oh shit like you know what i mean like i i you know i don't really care about my bills and feed myself but um yeah i just love the kind of like it's so ironic like this dollar sign on this album and like the album cover itself is like it's just a jacket for my closet it's almost so cheap and it's just like you know and it's out it's like out of frame and yeah yeah like there's this intentional mess to it which is something that you touched on earlier and i even have this like interesting theory about like dance music as a whole like i feel like dance music now is like what rock and roll was in the 70s yeah like when i think of an artist like like they're this romanticization of partying and drug use this flicking the cigarette out on the red carpet the sunglasses the black leather like when i think of what you are doing and what charlie and kasha like all those sorts of artists like you're a rock star like it sounds like i'm describing a rock and roll artist you know what i mean and i think it's so interesting that that feeling of like anti-establishment and mess and fuck it and leaning into it and that deep relatable factor has happened with dance music and women yeah when it used to be rock and roll and men yeah it's kind of what i'm saying it's kind of flipped it's flipped around a bit yeah and i feel like i feel like making pop music is more of like that like i feel like rock music used to be like turn that noise down or like you know but now i feel like that's kind of like people don't really like pop music or it's like not uncool it's getting cooler but like i feel like in like the wider spectrum of culture people like you know i don't know like straight dudes you used to like listen to pop music they don't really like do that anymore no no but i listen to playboy cardi and they like get all sweaty and they love right and drake and kenner yeah and but even i think like this unpolishedness of it too like talking about the raw instrumentation that you use and stuff like i think even like it's like even like to the point you said about like ai music like i think that's something that's even going to become more desirable of like oh yeah this intentional like human error almost you know what i mean imperfection i would say i've been saying this with like beauty as well i feel for a really long time a lot of pop imagery including my own even like the star fucker cover would be a good example is that everything for a while it was about being like so stylized and so kind of like airbrushed and like glam and like beautiful and i feel like because of ai and like face app and filters and that like weird instagram face thing like i feel like people want unconventional beauty and like uh like i feel like what is attractive it are things that feel human and real and like having maybe like not the most perfect little button nose which i don't have you know what i mean but like i love my face i love my nose like i'm not i used to really want to like be beat up like beat to the gods like hair fully curled done whatever for every visual and i'd feel really insecure if i didn't and it's like if you told me a couple years ago i'd be making music videos with like barely any makeup on and like my real hair texture i'd be like no that's so interesting yeah and i feel like it's this there's this spectrum of like aspirational to a relation like relatability right like it if something is very perfect and curated and it's like editorial like a mac like vogue is so aspirational but that's not human it's not relatable in any way yeah and i think we're seeing the pendulum of culture shift back exactly to what you're saying of like and i think like like i feel like the people are like kind of sick of seeing such overly stylized overly curated like exciting music videos and like i feel like the people are like kind of sick of seeing like such overly stylized overly curated like exciting music videos and like i feel like the people are like kind of sick of seeing such overly stylized overly curated like expensive imagery i know i have been really like sick of it i feel like with this album like drawing back to the dollar sign and the whole like money symbolism thing i feel like i you know signed with a major and finally got like budget if you will to make visuals but i also made the choice to like style myself and like make my own costumes and like do things on a shoestring budget like we shot the old technology video for literally zero dollars like me and kate just running around new york and la i love that though and yeah i but it's like it's one of those things where it's i think people are loving and responding to it so much because it's not like when i see an expensive music video it feels like it's just such a like big bowl of nothing you know what i mean a big glossy like like in like fancy designer poles and like i feel right now more than ever very uncomfortable by like expensive like bags and things and like i love like fashion like archival stuff and whatnot but just with this album i was like fresh off the road that's not the spirit of this album that's not who i was in high school i would like dream of like getting to have like a shitty hand-me-down chanel bag if you will like i like it was never in the cards for me to have like fancy things and i just feel like you know the celebrity of it all and like glam teams and everyone is so like perfectly every hair in place at every moment even for like the smallest like appearance or activation i feel like it's starting to get really like i don't know shit is just so crazy right now like i don't know i just don't want to see that i like don't yeah and i think that that's like what makes it cool yeah you know like i think such a skill of an artist is resourcefulness like it's not just can you make something good it's like can you make this thing in the closet of your bedroom with some random beat that you ripped off soundcloud yeah you know what i mean and like what do you what is your artistic interpretation of that yeah with what you have like that's what artistry is to me it's so much of it comes from circumstance and context yeah and having a perspective yeah yeah and and like that's what's cool about it and i think that that is i agree with you like a very exciting thing for people and it reminds me again like we're talking about like the tumblers and the lana del rey's like the video game music video right like that's what was so amazing about it was like it was like random stock footage but that was so charming and like oh my gosh the video games music video is like one of my favorite of all time and like it's like most of the footage isn't even her own footage it's like she like sewed together like random clips from youtube and then her on a macbook webcam and it's like so it's like i don't know it's just so engaging and like her like charisma in it even though she's like not she's just looking like very like stoic and beautiful but you're so charmed by her like aura right and i love those things where it's world building you feel the sort of media that influence her and like what she likes and why she wants to go to mel's drive-in and watch casablanca you know what i mean like even though those things aren't in the video at all yeah like i think that that is like a really beautiful yeah thing and like something i feel with your music so much of like thank you you're so good at creating an emotion you know what i mean and like that is like this emotion of this album is crank like oh yeah you know what i mean it's like bitter and angry and nasty i feel like it's like a really angsty album it's like my teenage angst like release not on every song there's some like you know sad moments soft moments it feels a lot more like emotional and personal than like other songs where i'm like don't you know like i'm like leave me on the dance floor like whatever but yeah what way do you feel like it's more emotional and personal i just feel especially songs like britney murphy or even like obviously there's some party songs like you know crank is like kind of like me rapping nonsense if you will but i just feel like i like even not not only just the music but like the visuals the way i've been dressing it's all very true to how i was in high school yeah like um it makes me so sad because i have naturally not you know this is not my actual hair but i used to naturally have like really long like curly wavy hair with like roots because i wouldn't get my hair done or whatever and i would wear like leather jackets and i would like go to parties and like drink in the basement of like random people's houses and i feel like this album like feels like the spirit of that uh and yeah it all just feels very true to like my high school life which is when i was on tumblr the most and but yeah i didn't want to make like an on the nose i said i didn't want to make like an on the nose there's such a tumblr resurgence everyone's doing like very on the nose i feel like there's like a bit of nuance i wanted to have to everything where it's like not things i've seen on tumblr necessarily but things that i feel like evoke the way certain imagery made me feel it's yes exactly this and i was literally talking to my two best friends about this um we're listening to your music and discussing it thank you and they were like we're talking about it so exactly it it doesn't feel like this it's so clear the generation you were raised in in a beautiful way oh my god you know what i mean and like what is inspired like even when you're talking about like gaga in the video games music video i'm like i can tell that like that was informing media to you you know what i mean and even what you've done in the past it's like the little i don't know what they're called the hat those like y2k type hats oh yeah on your spot a fisherman hat yes like that was so like britney you know what i mean and like like britney kate moss like olsen twin vibes yes and i just love it like you're and i think that's also why i was so excited to talk to you because i feel so like i think our upbringings were very similar just do you know what i mean yeah um yeah and and it's so cool how you've like created like the what your sound on this album is is unlike anything i've ever heard thank you oh my god that's like the highest compliment no one ever made music like you right now and that's like when i realized that this is the album that's gonna do it for you thank you was because i just was like oh like this is gonna be referenced thank you this is the source material i truly believe wow thank you so much you know it i feel like it took me quite a bit of time to like get here but i feel like it does feel good to have kind of i feel at this point in my life and career to have like i feel like i've perfected my recipe if you will interesting of like sound like i feel like there's like songs that have bits and pieces of like this project on it like from way long ago like old moments where like i was starting to try like like rapping a little bit for the first time or like whatever and i feel like this project just feels like everything every like strong suit of my artistry kind of like rolled into one you know yeah what do you feel like the missing piece was i don't know i really don't know i feel like maybe just like taste and experience and um like confidence to confidence to back it up i feel like in the past i've let other people get in my head a lot whether it's like fans online or like you know just like opinions of friends or anything about like what i'm doing and i have wanted to people please so much yeah and i feel like this project i was like no like you're wrong this is sick you have bad taste and you're right and you can only you're so right you can only get that like level of like asshole confidence when you like get closer to 30 and you're like no no you're wrong this is sick this is why you don't know somebody asked me how i define myself and i didn't know what to say because how can someone be defined when we're always evolving i've been so many things i'll be so many others because identity is not a performance it's an exploration never the same but always myself that's the paradox paradox intense and the new sweet chemistry by prada this episode is brought to you by palm olive family time isn't just the big moments it's weeknight dinners sitting around the table everyone talking all at once so when the plates are empty and the sink is full use palm olive ultra palm olives most powerful formula removes up to 99.9 of grease leaving your dishes sparkling clean and the new convenient pump makes cleaning even easier so you can spend less time tackling dishes and more time together shop now at palm olive.com i agree and something i say is like in order to be a visionary you have to have a vision yeah like part of it is doing something that you see and they don't see yet like that yeah the if you were to say like what it means to be forward thinking it's that right like yeah it is to be doing something that no one else is doing yeah and even exactly i love what you said even about like rapping and stuff too like that like yes god on this album i again i wish you could have seen my face the first time i heard that song she's a loud one she is a loud one but the transition from like the screaming like court like you're screaming into this almost sort of like trap beat right after there's so much there's like a little bit of every genre on this project truly because it really is it's like screamo metal and then it like like drops. And you're like, Hey, now you're like dancing on your girls in the club. Like exactly. And it's, I, I could see where I was in that song. You know what I mean? Like I it's yeah. Friday, it was a long week. You're going out, you and your girls are finally get together. You're like, girl, like, I don't even want to tell you about what the shit my boss did today. Blah, blah, blah. You're going out, you're screaming. Yes. God. Like the big part we're talking about is you're like getting the aggression out and you got it out. And then you're like, okay, now I'm gonna have a good time and just dance with my friends. Do you know what I mean? Like that's at least to me, I don't know. I, I see, I, when I listen, I see a song, you know what I mean? And that's like what it was giving me. Oh my gosh. Thank you. I love that. I see. I feel like music. I like, as soon as I make the song, even in the studio, I immediately have like visual shots, like, like specific angles, like in my head, like in the dance video, like that gunshot, as soon as we made that song, I was like, I'm going to like shoot my dad through a door, like right at that, like that part. And I just saw the shot like so clearly. And I had it in my head for like a whole year. And I was like, interesting. It feels so good to like, it like scratches like a part of my brain when I finally like make it and see it along with the music. Does it ever happen to you in reverse where you see like a really compelling image and it inspires like a sound in your mind? Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes if I, sometimes I'll have like visual ideas that aren't really around music at all. And I feel like I'll like write music kind of around that like visual world a bit. Interesting. Yeah. What was, was there like a particular thing that you felt inspired you visually for this album? Like just Midwest, like portraits of the Midwest. Yeah. I feel like there's this photographer who does these images where he'll just take portraits of like people from the Midwest and there's something kind of like unsettling about it, but it'll be just people like living their lives or like standing in their front yard. And I just feel like the photos say so much about like just people from places you don't think about, you know? And I feel like, or like the suburbs or like whatever. And like, or like, you know, I just think it's, it all inspired me a lot. I feel like where I'm from has a lot to do with like who I am and like why I am the way I am, why I like drink so damn much. I feel like. I was wanting to ask about your relationship with partying because it's so clearly like this massive inspiration source for you. It is it, it isn't. I don't really like to party that much. I would say that I party because I feel like, I feel like this album, I hope people don't misinterpret. I feel like the videos do a good job of like selling that this is like, not like cute and hot. I feel like my relationship with drugs and alcohol over the past couple of years has kind of been a bit of a roller coaster. I was like sober for like a whole calendar year around like star fucker time. And then I started drinking a little bit again. I kind of have, I come from like a long line of like alcoholics. So like I try to, I try to like not get, I feel like as I've gotten older, I try to like resist partying a little too much. I never feel, I never really like partying or I don't really like being at afters, but I'm there because I like want to be like fucked up, you know? Like I don't really, I, it's like hard to describe. It's like kind of a self-destructive behavior that like, I don't feel good the next day. I get what you mean. I think it's also this, you're seeking the escapism associated with it. Yeah. Or just like the feeling can be so, uh, like therapeutic or like numbing sometimes. And like, it, it doesn't, and especially now, unfortunately, I feel like drugs are so a part of our culture and people have normalized like really hard drugs, which is like scary to me. Like I, I have like family members, it's like ruined, like pieces of my family, parts of my life. And I feel like, you know, I struggle with it sometimes, but as I've gotten older, I've really tried to like focus on work and do things that like stimulate and give my ADHD brain dopamine that aren't self-destructive. But yeah, I feel like that's going to let a lot of people down because it's like, I do party sometimes. The girls are crafting. She's made these boots. Yeah. I painted, I asked her to put it on the work on the, it's like March on your website. And I was like, Oh my God, these are so cool. She's like, yeah, I'm trying to get them Matt, like factory made. I was like, what do you mean? She's like, I paint them. I hand paint them. I do. So to all the people on Twitter that were mad that there weren't enough and that there weren't enough sizes. I only have so many. Okay. She's got that cart. She's carpal tunnel is coming in. Like she's got to do some stretches. Yeah. I'll come over. I'll, I'll paint one. Oh my gosh. I'm like, just like, wait a minute. Yeah. We'll do a little assembly line. I love it. Situation. But when you're talking about that and like feeling of, of partying the dread the next day. Oh yeah. Is that where worst girl in America? Yeah. I feel like people will like be like, Oh, like my hangover anxiety. I have like earth shattering psychosis that I enter and I'm like, I'm a fucking freak. Everyone in the music industry thinks I'm a corny, clapped, chopped. I'm done for I'm old. And like my body hurts and I'm hung over and this sucks. And I feel like I get, I I've ever since I was young, I had kind of social anxiety a little bit in like a weird way. It's gone away as I've gotten older, but I feel like there's something in like being plucked from being a hair salon receptionist in St. Louis, Missouri to then like being around people who I feel like do the celebrity thing with so much ease and they like have teams and assistants. And they have sprinter vans and they are so good at it and so good at doing interviews. And they're so good at like looking perfect. And they know, like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like there's always something a little off about me and always has been where it's like, I'm either the drunkest person in the room at some like event and I don't get invited back, which like, Oh my God, the stories that I could say, which I will probably one day or maybe today, who knows? I would love one. Um, but yeah, like, I just feel like worst girl in America. Like, I just feel like I'm just like the St. Louis, like bar trash and all these people are like what she doing here, even though no one thinks about me. Do you have a song about that too? Like no one's like actually thinking about me or like everyone's worried about themselves. So I feel like that insecurity or anxiety is like, it doesn't really, you know, I try to like tell myself that like, no one cares. No one cares. No one cares. No, literally in the most beautiful way. No one is thinking in like a good way, like live your life because no one cares and people aren't watching and like clocking you in the way that you think. Right. No, literally. But yeah, I just, I feel like, I just feel like sometimes I just, I just feel like a big clown, but like in a way that I couldn't disagree more. Well, thank you. I couldn't disagree more. And also I think the beauty of imperfection is it's human. It's what we've talked about this entire episode, right? Like that, what you deem as this weird thing or this on whatever about you is what is drawing people into you and shutting that out. I think hurts you more than it helps you and the longevity of your career. For sure. I feel like I have really wanted to push against what, like, like I'm not a celebrity, but like, I feel like what celebrity means or like what being like a bit of a public facing person is I like fully reject that. And like, do not want any part of trying to like play that game or like be cool or like be like, I don't like care. Like, I don't, I think it's, I think it, I don't know. Like, I just think that real people aren't like that. Like people from my hometown that I'm like friends with and that I've known for a long time. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, like, I just feel like I want, I don't, I don't know. I find like this, the whole thing of like celebrity to be really weird. It is weird. It's not natural. So weird. It's so weird. And I think it's also hard to balance with what you're saying, this sort of rejection of celebrity and the things associated with that, with also this deep desire to be appreciated for your craft. Yeah. Right. Like you're not in this pursuit of fame. You're in pursuit of like, I spent a lot of time making this thing that is really important to me as an artist. And I want people to understand it and appreciate it. Yeah. And there is an overlap between that and fame or celebrity. Yeah, for sure. Because you can't have that without people like knowing about you or, you know, tuning in. Um, and like, that's fine. I feel like I could be like, I could get to like a bigger level or be like more famous. I don't think I'd ever still feel or call myself a celebrity though. There's just something, I just, there's just something about that. Like, it's like, I don't know. Like, I feel like you either choose to like lean in or you choose not to. And I do want people to appreciate my music or watch my visuals and stuff. But like, I think that I really hate this weird disconnect between consumers of music, art, anything, and like people, the people making it being like up here. Interesting. I think that like, I, I like everyone like matters and is important and there's like a weird, it's like a class divide almost where it's like, yeah, like, I don't know. Like, yeah, I, exactly. I feel like the, I like idolizing celebrities and like, it's just a very strange thing to me. Like I've never, I like have people that I love and I'm a huge fan of, but like, I don't think that like they are like more important than like my own life or like my mom or like my, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I feel like celebrity is, it's just like a weird, it's just a very strange thing. That really begins to dissolve as you meet people like that. Like even not in the sense that they're like bad, but they're just a person. Yeah. And that's very like interesting to, I think, to experience. Yeah. But I also think too, it's, it's this idolization of celebrity or artists or whomever is I think in akin to religion. It is like this desire to see this large holy ask figure that is so perfect and is giving you, this emotional feeling and validation and it saves you when you're sad. Like the way that people turn to things like religion is also the way that people turn to things like music. Yeah, for sure. And that's always just kind of the way that I've thought about it of like, it's almost. like they're falling in love with this idea of whomever whatever artist that they created in their head and that means something to them and it's this time capsule of the emotion of when they were 12 at their dance and heard that lady gaga song and it changed their life you know what i mean like which is important and powerful oh so important i always like i think it says it in the bible like don't worship false idols yeah and yeah i don't know great song title yeah honestly let me write that down yeah no literally but i yeah i just feel like with this project i wanted it to be like like the anti-celebrity the anti-pop star i feel like i just have been so over it all and i think a lot of like the worst girl in america terminology or visuals come from me just not like i just don't feel like that i'm not better than that i'm not worth like i just don't feel like that like i don't like i'm like always really shocked when people are like are you slater i'm like what how do you know that like it doesn't are you the worst girl in america yeah who is the worst girl in america me i swear really yeah i think in some ways yes in some ways no i think sometimes people think i'm like maybe worse than i am i just feel like i don't know i just i feel like it in a really simple sentence i feel like i've just been really inappropriately drunk at too many things for people to like be like oh she's like normal that's what i love about you that's what i want from slater i got invited to like one brand dinner once didn't touch the food because i was like i was like wearing a sheer dress and i was like i feel like i look fat got crocked probably had like 14 martinis don't know how yeah and i don't remember anything i just remember like they were trying to like figure out my agent's number because they couldn't get a hold of anyone i was like by myself at this like it was like a it was like a makeup brands dinner and by the way all like really chic hot models and celebrities right of course and my extensions are like showing in the back and i'm like and no and that's what i want i'm like put put crank on there's a picture of me like they facetimed my agent being like we don't know where she's staying i wouldn't tell them where i was staying because i was like i know you have an afters don't you fucking lie i was like there's an after party and you're not telling me and i was like what you guys don't have after parties in london like i was going ballistic you were the worst girl in london my agent took a screenshot of me on facetime and it looks like a renaissance painting i'm like my extensions are like this and then my one friend i posted it on um a side instagram account i hope no one but i posted on a account i have and my one friend took the photo and like made like a uh like a party poster out of it and i saw them post it and i was like wait what that's what am i like what are you doing and she's like that's you and i went yeah and she's like i thought that was courtney love and i was like no that's me you said thank you yeah but it's just like things like that where i feel like i'm always like clowning around in these settings where one should not be clowning around no i think that that's what that i love that and you know what to that brands sorry they were really nice about it actually which i'm shocked i i appreciate that yeah i appreciate that and i'm sorry like you're inviting slater to an event what did you expect yeah but that's the thing is like i hate that i'm that person you're right i'm so sorry she is gonna be so well behaved at the next one like i want to be like this pr agency my next album is gonna be like the ladylike era no it's you and weathering heights it's classic piano it's hair is done up the corset is on tight like it took six people to i already do that and then i just act like an asshole like with like corset cinched and i'm just like and i can't breathe that's beautiful yeah i love that you know what talk about imagery i really felt like i was there that story yeah it was it was one for the books yeah there's more to it but i don't want to like it was really bad no i went up to like celebrities i don't know and i was like do you hate me let's do a shot and they were like go away and i like don't i literally don't remember like anything i woke up the next day in my hotel room and i was like huh like so me like i didn't ever my dj had to like come and like retrieve me everyone was like freaking out like it was like really bad but i feel like it and then i just had a really sad day the next day and i had a show too i never get i never drink before shows i'm never hung over for shows i take it really seriously and i was hung over for like this biggest show of my career at that point like in london i crushed it so like thank god but like it was just one of those weird i like had a really like dark sad hangover day where i'm just like i'm a fucking joke man you're not a joke these people you're not a joke is this the sort of energy you're gonna bring to your own cello set yeah yeah yeah what do you give us something to expect i mean i think it'll be it'll be a lot different from my usual live show setup i'm doing like i'm gonna perform with like a band for the first time um that's so sick so it'll be like parts electronic parts you know it's rock and roll it'll be really cool i can't wait the way slater to cat's eye to ethel kane to sabrina oh yeah i love it i'm going to be happy that i'm on that day the most raging homo yeah the most raging homo and you're really just you're you're teeing off the day for me hell yeah you're teeing off the day for me i need you to know when you're on that stage think of this beautiful face in that crowd oh you better like i need to like see you i will i will i'll shoot you a dm or something you know me you're gonna see me and my gay is front row hell yeah front row how does it feel to have like an army of gay people that just want to support everything that you do i mean i i love it because i feel like that is the music that i also like loved when i was in high school you know like i was a gaga alana fan my like two friends best friends in high school were like gay guys so i feel like it's not i feel like i don't i don't i never like try to pander or like i'm not like shooting to have like a queer audience i think it's like kind of wrong when like artists will do that it just is and it's just it's such a natural like like uh connection that i feel like we all have and i feel like i'm one of them like there's not there isn't like a disconnect we like speak the same language we have the same sense of humor we love the same music we love the same things you know yeah respectfully you're a fag hag true like professionally professionally professional hag for sure professional thank you that's right i'll i'll be the first half of that sentence yeah and you saw it right right right right right um okay this is so random but i have to ask yeah have you seen heat of rivalry no i'm so late to everything girl your music would eat in that show they need to like hit me up you were made for that soundtrack i would love to make like a specific song for it i would love that i love from what i've seen online it looks like a really good like riveting like sexy show i just haven't i'm really anytime there's like a show or like a movie everyone's talking about or watching it takes me like a full calendar year to like get around to it same it's like this weird snob effect thing where you're like everyone's talking about all the time so then you like resist it but no there's literally this one specific club scene i made a fan edit with what am i i'm gonna send it to you after this i'm gonna send it to you after this you're gonna die it is so like dance like there is one scene that is just dance the song i feel like have i seen it i feel like i know you're talking about i like comb tiktok when people make things to my songs i love it i feel like did you post it or no no and also i think someone's made a edit to one of my songs to the club scene you're talking about they're like both in the club they're staring at each other from across the room very like they're staring at each other from across the room they're like they're like the tension yeah yeah it's hot yeah it's hot yeah i think that you're we're manifesting it now yeah we're planting this scene i need them to like hit me up i'm like hit me up he did rivalry yeah hbo hbo get her on the phone come on call my agent okay one last question well i there's two questions i gotta end the show with okay one kind of is maybe we'll see one what do you think is the best song on your album to make out to probably unknown lovers yeah that's like a romantic song it depends on the kind of make out you're trying to have i feel like beggars can't be choosers yeah that's true if you want like a sweet makeout session maybe unknown lovers but if you want like something a little crazier yeah and like something a little more like yeah maybe like actually kind of famous that's a good one yeah i love that one yeah um okay and then one there's a question i always like to end the show with always is like if there's one song that you want the they're closing their spotify and they're going to listen to that song and you want them to think about something that you're going to say now while they're listening to it whether it's the lyrics instrumentation the visuals whatever what is that song and what is that thing oh this is really hard you know what i do know my answer i think i would tell them to go draw it back to the song that has was the first introductory to this camp album era or whatever listen to beat up chanel's and i think while listening to it it has like two parts one part very like aggressive and nasty and one part that feels like an emotional release i think that the end of that song to me feels like being like drunk in the back seat in high school and like putting your hands in the air and like nothing can touch you and like you know yeah i would like hope that people listen to that and try to like feel some of feel some of that freeness and like free spiritedness and emotion from before they like got older and everything got so like crazy and stupid before anything mattered the beautiful ignorance of being in high school and like throwing on boots and going to a party and getting turnt wasted with your friends and like maybe your friends don't even like you but you're just like it's like perks of being a wallflower when she like sticks her hands out of the car that's what the end that's what the end of beat up we're gonna this is we're gonna do a sequel episode where we only talk about like niche 2010s media yeah it's like webkins perks of being a wallflower oh my god perks of being a wallflower on tumblr 500 days of summer on tumblr oh my god I did an entire episode of the show about 500 Days of Summer. Really? It's one of my favorites of the show. Wait, I feel like I saw that. Because I feel like we have the same opinion. We're like, Tom is, like, really annoying. Yeah, he's awful. And, like, she's not the villain. But that's also kind of the point. Yeah. Like, neither of them are the villain. Neither of them are the villain. They're just people. I think that that's, like, everything in life, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Slater, this has been the honor of a lifetime. Yay! This has been the honor of my life. This has been the honor of a lifetime. The worst girl in America is available to stream now. Coachella, by the time they'll sing this, it's, like, 10 days away. I know. So. And that beat up Chanel's thing I talked about, major Coachella song. Major Coachella song. Put your hands up. And you want to see Nicki, eight tequila shots deep, jumping up and down with a bunch of gay people? You want to see Nicki get sicky, girl? You come to the Slater's Coachella set on Friday. 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