Skincare SCAMS & SHAMS Pt. 3

Welcome to Thru Thicc and Skin, a podcast about two sisters in business together on a mission to demystify skincare and aesthetic medicine. Your online resource for unfiltered truth in a very filtered world. Wear your hosts, Aaron Jensen and Megan Paterson. You might know us from Instagram where a business, the treatment scheme, but he has garnered followers through the ever popular Mondays with Megan's story series, for offering insight on skincare and treatments in an easy to understand, candid way. Backed by the expertise of aesthetic PA expert injector, national trainer and brand builder, Aaron Jensen, we are here to drop knowledge cutting out the bullshit while making you laugh along the way. Welcome to Thru Thicc and Skin, podcast my name is Megan Paterson. And I'm Aaron Jensen. And I'm having a new year. Happy new year. It's been as little Kim once said. It's been gone for a minute and I'm back with the jump off. Goons in the club in case something pops off. I love her. I love little Kim. Yeah, little Kim's amazing. If you find a concert that she said, let's go. What was the concert you were supposed to go to, but it sold out in like 10 minutes, but it was kind of scammy. You don't think it happened? Yeah, it was the night in LA and a rapper got stabbed and died there. A performer. Shot up. Yeah. Oh, really happened. Yeah, it was scandalous. So we were supposed to go, I mean, the lineup was ridiculous. It was like every, it was Snoop Dogg and all of his affiliates. So everyone from like Warren G everybody, but like two-pock and Nate Dogg were on the bill because they have since passed, but like Al Green, Mary Jane girls, it was nuts. It was not some soccer stadium in LA, but we didn't go. We couldn't get in. The soccer stadium at USC. Yeah. So we were, I guess the only ones there, but we missed it. Yeah. So no, little Kim doesn't tour much. I think she's kind of doing her own thing. She has a mom. Yeah, yeah. She is. She's kind of in the next phase of her life. So we won't be holding our breath. The Cenatorius K.I.M. Anytime soon. Okay. So we're just, yeah, we needed a few weeks off. I know. Just to re-cute. I don't know about you, but December and the beginning of January was nuts. Well, nuts because it's like your birthday and your son's birthday and it's Christmas and you're a host because you have the biggest, most bomb house and it's unfortunate when you're blessed with a fat mansion because everyone wants to party at your mansion. First of all, I have a ranch style house from the 70s and Upland. Don't make it sound like it's a big old mansion. It is nice. I do like, I love my house. when it's coming to party and mind you, my two-inch apartment. - No. - Okay, that's all I gotta say. - No, I wanna make it. Megan, can you please help me out? I'm about to lose my shit. You're like, yeah, do you need some roles? - I offered to help. I really did. I said what do you need? But I was also like Aaron, you did this to yourself. - Yeah, 'cause I own also the step up to host the damn holidays. Next year, I'm going to Mexico. I'm going somewhere. Okay, Mark my word. - Now bring me with you. (laughs) But yeah, it was a crazy couple of weeks, and Christmas came and went, and then Aaron's birthday and her son's birthday. So it's been, and I've been avoiding Corona. Like, you and I are playing with ones. We are the last band standing. - I'm like standing. I'm in touch, knock on wood. You know, I'm not even good at knock on wood anymore, 'cause I work in people's mouths all day. - Ew. - I like talking to people. At this point, I'm like, just go for it. Cough in my face, watch. - Oh, bring it. - You're free. - 'Cause I am, well, know what? Honestly, I like vaccinated boosted, but at this point, I don't think I'm being shit anymore. Honestly, we're all gonna get it, and let's just like, get it and move on. - Yeah. - And take care. - I mean, if I die from coronavirus, please scrub this episode, because I don't wanna be embarrassed in the afterlife, but I think Corona is afraid of me. (laughs) Because I am just, I don't know. Like I should have gotten it, you know? Like I'm around people, and I'm not reckless. I wash my hands and stuff, and I don't put my mouths in other people's mouths, but it's just, I think it's 'cause I drink feels coffee every day. - My feels coffee a day keeps the coronavirus away. - You drink three feels coffee a day. - Shut up, I've slimmed it down to two. You literally go to Phil's, a store. - Yeah, two to three times a day. - Yeah, and I have the Phil's coffee at my house too, so I wake up and have the Phil's at home, and then I go and see my folks, and I get my coffee, and then I go about my day. It's my ritual. Like you guys like to drink and like, swish wine around in your mouth. I like to like have a deep relationship with my baristas at Phil's. Like those are my besties. They seem at my worst times, they seem at my best times. So you know what, I will happily pay $5.85 for a coffee. - I believe in that 'cause it's a ritual, and it's something you enjoy, and if you wanna pay, but I don't even like to use a word over price coffee because it's about the experience. And I am like, that is my foot, that, you know what? That is my mantra for 2022 is experience. - Yeah, that's your word of the year. - That is my intention is experience. I want everything to be an intentional experience, whether it's my life, like how I eat, how I exercise. I just want to have intention. I don't want to be reckless. I want it to make me feel good, but have a purpose too. - So how do you make your Del Taco runs at an experience? - I order a water to offset the 900 calories. - No, because listen, why would you, unless you really want a water, but if you're gonna get a number five from Del Taco medium, you gotta get a Diet Coke. - I know. - I just go big with it. - That's very true. - You know what? There's something about Del Taco's, like, so does don't do it for me. You know what I can, I get down, like a burger and fries, Diet Coke all the way. Like, that's my jam, but at Taco, I feel like I don't need a soda with it. I don't know, I like water, but, or iced tea. But fast food iced teas are shit. - Yeah, they're kind of booty. You can't really trust it. - No, no. But that's, but yeah, thank you for my Del Taco for my birthday. - Yeah. - Actually, thank you for my patio special. People don't even know. - All right. - Out of town or is patio special is like this magical, like, coffee milkshake that exists at this place called the coffee clutch, and we've been drinking them since we were like teenagers. And I, or, you know what, I paid twice as much in delivery fees and taxes and bullshit, then the actual drink itself. - 'Cause it was experience. - Yeah, for me. - Because you can't get that anywhere. - No. - If you want to think if you wanted like a soda, a Diet Coke from a soda fountain, I get that, you can get that anywhere. But like, patio specials come from coffee clatch and either Ranch Cucamanga or San Diego, unless they have a coffee clatch at LAX, but they don't sell patio specials. - Yeah. - No. - So, so yeah, so that's all you want. - patio special has gotten me through like, my darkest moments. - Yes. - I agree. Yep, food can very much fill avoid. - But there is something about that drink in particular. I don't know what it is. There's some secret ingredient in it. - It's not a secret. It's an Oreo. - Well, it's cracked. - It's like one, I've seen that. - But it's not just like an Oreo milkshake. - It's the espresso. They use really, they pull a double shot of espresso. They use a very certain type of ice cream. It's probably from like a chino dairy. It's really good full fat ice cream. And then they put a secret Oreo in it and then they use real whipped cream. Like that really thick. - It's thick. - Yeah. - It's bomb. - I would be like postpartum after having my babies. Like, chino's in my eyes like, I'm getting a patio special and going to Target. - What it takes? - Going to Target. And Ryan, my husband would be like, okay. - Yes. - Do what you need to do. - So, patio specials are the model. - I just said thank you for my patio special. So yeah. Let's just like, we're moving forward to this year. We got just like stuff going on. Lots of stuff going on. - So much stuff. So much stuff. It's been kind of crazy, but what do you expect with us? - Gals and a new year, new start. - Yeah, we need it some time off because, yeah. I mentioned earlier, we're avoiding coronavirus. And everyone's had it. It has been off work. And so we've just been very busy. - But also, you know, we are perfectionists. And we, our performance levels are like second to none. Like people, I wanted to walk today, like a sunrise walk with my friend. And she was like, so what's your morning routine? Like I'm like, well, I wake up at 5.30. I have a morning ritual. I'm at the gym by 6.30. I'm showered, quaffed in front of my computer by 7. You know, by 8.30. I've already answered all my emails. And I just sit there and wait for everyone else to wake the fuck up. You know, and she's like, how do you do that? Because, and I say, because once you have a taste of getting the bulk of your day done by 8.30, you'll never turn back. You'll never go back. You'll never go back to that. And she asked, my friend asked me about you. I was like, oh, here's the same way. She wakes up earlier. I'm like, air weeks up at 4.30. Then she works out. Then she goes to dry bar. Then she answers email. Because how do we keep up with this cadence and the speed? It's because we have to work with a certain efficiency. You know what I mean? - Yeah. Well, you have told me something in the past that I kind of live by and I won't forget. Like, it's not a priority. If you're not doing it, it's not a priority. - You cannot say, oh, you don't have time. - Sting. - And a lot of people, I mean, I think somebody made a comment on one of our IGs where I was, I said, you have as many hours in the day as Beyonce. It really chapped her ass because she's like, I don't have a nanny. I don't have a private chef. I don't have this set of the other. And I said, okay, take my Beyonce remark with the grain of salt, but bottom line, if it's really important to you, you'll make it a priority. So for some people scrolling on TikTok for hours, getting only five hours of sleep and being too tired to work out in the morning, you chose mindless scrolling over moving your body. And that's your priority. And people don't wanna hear. - No, they don't. - Like, no, you made TikTok your priority. Viewing TikTok your priority. No, it's ASMR. I learned so much from TikTok. It really is, no, you've spent three hours watching people use a scrub daddy in 18 different ways. - I love it. - But this is-- - And that's fine, but don't like bitch about something. - I don't have the time. Girl, you got the time. You're just putting other things in front of it. - True that. - Oh, my God. You know what? Truth hurts. (laughing) And Megan will tell it to you. She'll serve that truth upon a plate on a platter. - Because I have respect. I have respect for people. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it and be like, you're right, honey, you do, you know, you are. I mean, and I'm not a mom. I don't have a crying baby. So like, yes, I have, but I've chosen that life because I make certain things a priority. And some people might think I'm missing out on motherhood and things like that, but right now in my life, what feels really good is having a morning routine that sets me off on like a really good day. I've had like probably a string of good days, like a year of good days, because of what I do in the morning. I think what I've found, what I've read about very successful people is their morning routine. They don't sleep in. They don't snooze. Snooze is for suckers. - Snooze, you lose. - Exactly. So goodbye followers. All of you listeners were like, you just telling me though that not too long ago that you're like, I like do my best work at nighttime and I live on this other schedule. What happened to that? - That was a weird pandemic moment. Like I just had this weird insomnia and I'd stay up till four in the morning, but no, it's true. I do get in these grooves where some people, I think their internal clock says five, six PM, I'm done. For me, I work more in chunks. So what I'll do is I'll work from seven to noon one o'clock, then I'll go take a break. I'll go get my facial, get my nails done, go to Nordstroms and send pictures to Aaron of mint green Luba Tons. And Aaron gave me shit. She's like, oh, so you're that chick that goes to the mall on a Monday afternoon? And I'm like, yeah, because I've built my life this way. 'Cause then guess what? I go home and roast my fucking Brussels sprouts. - Luba Tons, by the way. - Yes, they were. You didn't see the red bottom? - No, I only saw the mint pumps. There are no Jessica Simpson pumps, okay? - That's what I kinda thought they were. - No, Aaron, now her tune changes. She's like, I want those. - Actually, I have wide feet. Luba Tons are great too. - Yeah, and this is wide flinched. - The heel on a Luba Tons is, you know, you got a lot of hips. - I need a kid. I need a kid kneel. (laughs) We'll see if they make kid kneels and mint. But anyways, point being is that like, I work in chunks. So I'm not a typical traditional nine to five, or I go crazy. So I work in chunks. I take a break. I do things when the mall is less septic, when the kids are still in school, when there's not after work traffic. I just, I'm smart with it. - You don't go on Christmas vacation between Christmas and New Year's? - Oh no. - Oh no, I take my Christmas vacation at the end of June, January. - There you go. - You know, I just, that's totally my vibe. So let's say I get home on the couch, I get all my stuff done. I might have a boost of energy at seven o'clock because this is the thing. I get anxiety when my emails are piling up. I'd rather just do a little at a time, fall asleep, do some more. I don't like for it to collect. And so I'll go on at seven o'clock at night and I'll put some dumb show on in the background, like a baking show. And I'll just, that brings me relief. I'm a workaholic admittedly. But, you know, I have a balance. I do know when to kind of like step away. But also, you know, it's different for you because there's a kid who like pulls you away from it. - Well, I will tell you, being a mom and my kids are older now. If you have a child under the age of three years old, your life is a mess and just embrace it. Like, give yourself grace. Like, if you don't sleep, like your kid wakes up and you haven't slept for like six hours in a row, don't wake up and go to the gym at 5 AM. Like, you should not, if you don't feel good about doing that, don't do that. Just go and walk with a podcast on when the kid is sleeping in the stroller. You know, like just chill. Like, your life is a fricking mess until your youngest child is four years old. - Yeah. - And so, yeah, just give yourself grace. But there are things you can do to still be efficient during those times. - Yeah, well, we already talked about efficiency. So, actually, I hear it, talk about efficiency. We're here to bring back the ever-so-popular. (blender whirring) Games and shams. Part numero tres. - You need a sound effect for that, for the scams and shams. - Let's think of something, maybe like a "chomp" or something or like, boom. (laughing) Like a crowd call. - Maybe we were talking about this episode earlier and she's like, is anything not a scam or a sham? It's like, yeah. So, Erin put it in a good way. Like, scam and sham, I think a scam is like a waste of money, right? When it's promised in a certain way. So, using Vaseline as an anti-aging treatment, I wouldn't say it's like, would you say it's a scam? It's more like you're spending seven bucks on an inclusive petroleum. And if it makes you feel good about yourself, go ahead. But it's not going to do what Botox does. - Correct. But if they took that petroleum jelly and put it in a bottle and it said Botox in a jar, then that's a scam. 'Cause then you're buying it with the intention of making your wrinkles go away. But if you have a household product that has a dual ability to help something, sure. You know, why not? But it's when then it's the predatory factor, I don't like. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, we asked our followers to chime in with some scams or shams that they think they might be facing. - Let's go to these. - And so I sent them to Erin and let's see what she has to say. So the first one we're talking about is what's called a, I don't even think the name of the brand is important, but it's a clay face mask. It's a vitamin C clay mask. - I kind of like the name. I thought it was a great, a fun name, no? - Okay, it's called gleamin. - Gleamin. - Like your skin is gleamin. - Gleamin, not gleamin. - Gleamin face mask, vitamin C. So a listener sent this to us because I guess somebody had written a very like explosive headline, like this face mask will change your, life. - Okay, first of all, I'm on the website right now. I like their first photo picture. It's super cute girl with the little nose ring, super cute. Okay, so now I'm going down to look at the before and after photos. The first photo I'm seeing is a girl who has excoriated acne. Do you know, excoriated means pick that acne. So she has four large sores on her face. - Maybe she's a tweaker. - Well, give her my car and don't judge her, okay? Tweakers leave good skin care too. - Have you watched "Jobsec?" - No. - Why not? - Why not? - Because I don't get into meth or something. - No, it's about like the opioid crisis. - Oh, no, no, no. I go into one episode and I get so depressed about the state of the world. And I just, I have to watch dumb stuff like 90-D fiance. - You should watch, it's not. - So you don't know how opioids are killing everybody? - How the pharmaceutical companies are ruining all of us. It's just like, you know, I mean, I have like love hate with medicine, right? That's like what I do and I think medicine is very incredible and very powerful. And so there's like just great things that come with medicine. Like not everything is going to be fixed by drinking celery juice. No, medicine is bad. But at the same time, the stuff like this company did. And just what it did to these communities is just so awful. And it's just when you think, you know, a lot of people think like, "Oh, they're just a drug addict." But when someone literally like had an injury and then the pharmaceutical companies, how their structure was, it's like they made these people become addicted. Like it's a fault there. - I've seen the doctor. - You've been talking about this about a doctor who had like a 24 hour clinic where she was just right. - Oh, yeah. - It's all day long and like Louisiana. - And it was heartbreaking. So anyways, and this girl doesn't have meth. She has picked up. - I'm sorry, I'm so messed up and I don't mean to judge whether you are a tweaker or you have excurcated acne. What is it called? - Excuriated. - Excuriated. So when you pick at it. - Yeah, exactly. So I mean, it's a very common thing. If you have acne, your body wants to try to help it somehow, right? Like how can I help this acne who feel a bump or growth on your face? I know we are both personally guilty of this. What are we going to do? - Pop it. - Scratch it off. - Pop and pop it. (laughing) - Name that tune. - Oh my gosh. So this girl has picked her acne in her before picture, okay? And then in her after photo, she still has some discoloration from it. And she has this quote, "Thank you so much. I absolutely love this project product and what has done for my skin and for my confidence." Well, these excoriations, they would have healed on their own after a few days without doing anything to them. So it's like she had four cuts on her face and now they're healed. So we're going to say like, "Could this clay mask have helped heal her cuts?" Sure. But so would doing nothing. - Lotion or yeah, or just leaving the cells. Yeah, I do the thing. - Yeah. - And let's see, it said it was in Marie Claire Vogue, L essence, you know, you can buy all those places. - Yeah, what are you going to do to get a publicist? Damn. - You know what is the treatment going to get some PR moves and vogue and shit? Like, come on, stop playing because we really need some placement in some top magazines to get some credibility. You hear the sarcasm because it's the same. - Yeah, it's all paid for. - These are the same magazines that say, you know, this vitamin C clay mask. So we've talked about vitamin C in our other episodes. I wanted to touch on that too. Is this all they sell as one mask? - It might be. Maybe they're, you know. - Oh wait, oh, mask, moisturizer, mask, a cloth mask. No, it's literally just the vitamin C clay mask. - Yeah. - So vitamin C. - Two Mark Alibara. Like I like their marketing and stuff. Yeah, you know what? I think it's a fine mask. - Yeah, but this is the thing. So it says, when it says it's a vitamin C mask, I'm like, okay, where does the vitamin C come from? You know, we've talked about our antioxidant sands before and how stable they are because a doctor named Mr. Dr. Penard. - Penel. - Penel, RIP, was in his little lab for 20 years, cooking up some bomb antioxidant sands and found a magical formula to make sure they're stabilized, meaning that they work and they last a long time. So that's why wiping an orange peel on your face is not going to protect you from free radicals, right? So when they say vitamin C, I'm like, okay, where's the like antioxidants, right? Where's the vitamin C? What I see in the ingredients list is fruit extract, fruit oil, citric acid. It says natural bioavailable vitamin C. Does bioavailable means that it's available from like an orange peel that they squeeze into a bottle? - I mean, they have a lot of different like citrates in here, but I mean, I think L-oscorbic acid is the mainstay. So the vitamin C part of this clay mask, I think that is just a very more marketing, but the white clay, tumeric, aloe vera, I think those ingredients can be helpful in healing the skin. So is this a scam or a sham? I think it's a little bit of in between. I think it is just a little bit of bold marketing. - How much is it, by the way, 40 bucks? - They're bundles. Let's see how much a bundle. - Yeah. - Subscribe and save. 39 and 99. - Yeah. - You know, like on a scale from one to 10, I guess, how harmless is it? - Yeah. - Like a two or three? - It's just like a lot of the, you know, like if you're thinking like, well, then why isn't your treatment mask a sham or a scam? - Well, I think it's in that category. A mask is what it does. And so if they're saying it improves your skin, helps heal excoriations and helps heal a little bit of acne. Sure. Not. - So are you going to buy it? - No, no. Already have enough stuff, you know? - Yeah. - No. - Yeah, it's, I mean, a white clay mask, it's nothing revolutionary, it's nothing new. It's been around for ages, our, you know, we have different masks. And the thing is that our main ingredient in the treatment mask is sulfur. And that is bioavailable. And it brings oil to the surface, which, you know, we definitely say that, but we don't say that it's going to make your skin stronger. So what the fuck does that even mean? They could do a push up. A guy push up. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, a real push up. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, a push up when you don't, you're not on your knees. I can never, huh? You know, when I do that, I will just retire from life. - No, no, no. You know what I decided? I hate push ups. - Yeah. - I've come to a point like in my fitness journey that why do you have to do push up? Like I never want to. And I'm not, you don't want to because you're not good at it. And if you're not good at it, you're like, I'm done. - But whatever muscle the push up requires in the front part of my shoulders is just like FU. - No, I think you could do it. I think I have anybody I know you could achieve like, do a push up. - I can do a blow push up. I just can't. - No, you know what? Screw the presidential fitness testing. - Fitness up. Oh, I failed that. They saw me come around there like 15 minute mile or here she comes. - How it was that legal or that you could do that with your peers and you're watching each other like how many pull ups or push up? - You can do that. I was about that life. It's like it's it's shaped me into an eating disorder. And I was like, being the slowest girl in the block. - And you had, remember you had to put your foot on the box and then try to touch your toes. - I could, that was the one thing I was good at was flexibility. I could totally do that. But like you had to do sit ups. I could do the sit ups. - Who could do a pull up? - Yeah. Like three people in my class. - Yeah. - Presidential fitness. This Ronald Reagan is on his right. - Okay. Okay. - Okay. So no, if you want to try this mask out, go for it. - We recommend you try the treatment mask instead. Swipe up the shop. Bye now. - Okay, let's go to this next scam and sham. Oh, is this another mask that you sent me? - Yes, but it's not a mask you find in a jar that you apply to your face. It's like one that you wear. - Omnilex. - Omnilex. - Omnilex. It looks like a transformer mask that it's kind of scary. It's like a big plastic thing that's molded to your face. - Okay. Okay, but it has some eye holes. We can like look through. Got it. - And it's really, I mean, it looks like it's LED light therapy. And we, I like LED light therapy. We sell a handheld light stem. And we use light stem in a couple of our services. And so there's nothing wrong with it. And Aaron's a biohacker now. So she's, I'm a biohacker light right now. - And we have a chest one too. - The LED light therapy. It's, LED light therapy feels really good. So this, this thing it straps to your head. You know, I don't know if it's going to fit all faces or it might be kind of moldable. - It just opens up a little bit. - But it says it has medical grade light therapy proven to enhance your natural skin. I'm not a grammar expert or like an English teacher or anything like that, but I've had enough English teachers and professors tell me to trim the fat in that sentence. Like you were saying a whole, you're writing a whole bunch, but saying a little, where are you looking at this? - Like when you scroll down to the first page. - Yeah. It says we use, okay, with over 40 peer reviewed published clinical studies and 20 years of research, all omnilex products use optimized doses of red, near infrared and blue like to super charge. The body's own natural cellular healing response to get the results you really want. What results do I want? Why are you assuming the results that I want? Oh, it's trusted and used by dermatologists. So LED light therapy is used for, you know, muscles. It's used for skin. We carry an anti-aging light stem handheld and an acne light stem handheld. So the blue acne is for killing bacteria. The red is for regenerating, I mean, honestly, it feels like my skin cells are cooking, which I love. And I wonder, am I going to flare up my melasma? - No. - No, it just feels so good. And for me, I'm one of those lazy girls where I'll just put a light stem. And by the way, we're not talking about how light stems a sham because I use it every night. I seriously put it on my neck like it's giving me a hiki. And I just let it sit there while I watch shows. But this, it seems like it has the same LED light therapy. Oh, this chicks drinking a glass of wine with like the chest plate. - I got a cake, girl. - Don't mind me. I am just optimizing the energy output of this LED light therapy in the wavelengths or penetrating my skin. So a 10 minute session at a fraction of the cost. That's what I don't like. Okay. It says, "Get professional results at home." So you're saying, "Get professional results at home with this LED light therapy for at a fraction of the cost." What are we talking about that I'm paying for? - For the light. - Like your laser. No, no, no, no. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's, it's very, there's a lot of vagueness. And oh, you could put it on your hand, on the back of your hand. - There's a glove. - Yeah, there's a glove for your paws. So let's see how much are these? - Full about 400 bucks. - Okay. - Our light stem is 2499 and-- - No, it's not. - No, I'm sorry, it's 249. - Yeah. - The numbers in my head, $249 for a handheld light stem. So this face mask is about $100 more. So this is one of those if you want an entire full face LED light experience, go for it. But some of you might be claustrophobic. You might have a hard time breathing out it. You might have a hard time seeing out of it because is everybody's eye shape like that? No. So what the light stem handheld is that it's just a little wand so I can put it on my face in different places. So you kind of hold it to your face like an old telephone. But with this, and also it's about $100 more, they have a decalate and a glove. So yeah, it's there at least, it's upwards to $400. And let's see what the results say. The review and the results. - You know, I think they, they're showing like this big acne clearance from it. I think it can help, but I think you're going to need a lot more other things than just light therapy to clear moderate to severe scarring acne. - Yes. And that's the thing. These are, these are totally fun. Just like that clay mask is fun. The LED light mask is fun. But you cannot rely on this to cure, quote unquote, cure your acne, diminishing acne, diminishing your fine lines, etc. Like it's a nice little addition. If you're the type of chick that already has like a, you know, a six, you're like always looking for more. You want to do more. - I think that's a good point. If you have our own a budget, near $400 to spend, I would spend that on three facials and the education of an esthetician over three months versus this. But you know, if you're ballin' on no budget, go for it. - Yeah, get the light stem bed. Like Markey Mark. He has one in his house. - That's when you're going to get a light stem bed. Once she, once we sell the treatment to Oprah. - When I, when I, and we ride off into the sunset going, ha ha, and I'm on my yacht. And then, you know, and then you could buy your light stem bed. - With the hyperbaric. - You could have it yet. Yep. I'll definitely be a full blow biohacker by then. - I'm trying. - I'll be per per per per perennial setting or what is that? Is that, are you saying? Yes. Only the smart cookies are going to be like, nagging you're so nasty. - We know I'm question. I'm like, is a perennial flower per na, per na, per. - Perennial, yeah. - There's a difference. - I'm not sunning my seasonal flowers. I'm sunning girl. - I can't remember. - I can't remember. - Edit that out, Sean grows. - What? - Okay. So, like Erin said, bottom line. Is it a scammer or a champ? No, because we sell a light, a light LED light therapy product. - Yeah, I think you're in the middle. I think it's in the middle. We're middle scammy champs. - Yeah, I mean, buy it. If you want to blow your money on that, go ahead. - This next one though. Have we not talked about this? - No, we have it, which I'm so surprised of. I'm so surprised we haven't talked about this bullshit, horse shit product. This danger, actually, which has been banned in Canada. It is the plasma pen. The plasma pen. - And I hate that all this shit pops up on our, like, discover feed. I block any like advertisement for plasma pen. I block them immediately. - It is the biggest bunch of BS. Who in the right mind thought to market this as a tool? Let's see, did you never gotten you homemade tattoos or like brandings? - How do you know? - I'm asking you. - Well, because Megan and I, we did go to Rancho Cuguanga Middle School. - Yeah. - And there was definitely some homemade tattoos and stuff back in those days. So anyways, I, like, if you have ever taken, gosh, what would it be? Like about like heating up something metal and essentially like branding your skin? This is what the plasma pen is. It's just fucking branding on the skin. - Well, let's, let me, I googled what it was, right? And first of all, when I googled plasma pen, it takes me to like Ali Baba, where I could buy one for 1999, which is so scary and trashy. But it says that plasma pens leave a pinned-sized marking on the skin. But what is plasma? Sometimes called the fourth state of matter, plasma forms when a gas is super heated. And it's not to be confused with the component of your blood that we often use, which is, you might be familiar with the PRP, platyla-rich plasma. So the arc of the plasma generated by a plasma pen synches the skin and in turn creates that pin mark. So it looks like like you have like just, like little dots on your face that are just little burns. And the process is repeated over and over in certain areas. So you might have seen some before and after's pop up where you see a woman where they do a whole bunch of dots under her eyes and then in the after picture, she's looking up and her bags look better. - Well, that's what, when you look up, your bags look better. - They look worse, actually. - Or do they? - Or the other or opposite. - Yeah. So there's these like tricks to it. And so this plasma, so apparently it's not like, you're like, I guess a piece of metal isn't touching, but like the plasma, like the gas energy or whatever it is. - It's like putting a soldering gun to your face. - Yeah, seriously. - You know, so what we talk a lot about in this podcast is controlled trauma, right? Control trauma where we have control of it where we're not inducing trauma to cause scarring. This is just trauma. And what is trauma cause? It causes injury, it causes scarring. It can cause hyperpigmentation. - Hyperpigmentation, permanent damage. Necrosis to the skin. Like anything that could go wrong with a burn of the skin can go wrong with this pen. So why in your right mind would you let someone who could buy it from this website for $66 and 65 cents make all your wrinkles go away by burning your under eye bags? - 'Cause it's only $700. And Aaron Jensen costs way more than that. No, I really asked myself that too. So it says that, so what this plasma pen claims that it can do. And by the way, I think plasma pen is the name of the company. So it's kind of like Kleenex. - Oh, cool. - So the process is said to make skin firmer and tighter by inducing trauma that triggers skin cells called fibroblasts to produce more collagen hence why these devices are called fibroblasts plasma pen sometimes. So this way of thinking isn't new. This is like you mentioned, well established like micro trauma, like micro needling is micro pokes. So like you mentioned Aaron, so with a micro. - Oh my gosh, sorry. Like this person is literally removing their moles. - That's no, Aaron, we were gonna get there. Okay, I'm sorry. - I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wanna explain to people the claims of this pen and then we'll talk about how completely dangerous it is. So micro needling creates teeny tiny punctures. You know, so you'll be like, well Megan, micro needling tears you up. Micro needling is this, but micro needling is performed by a nurse or a PA in a controlled sterile environment after training. - And after properly evaluating and diagnosing your skin. - Yeah, exactly. Because what if somebody plasma pens the area in your upper lip because your smoker lines and your herpes is popping. - Oh. - And then you spread the herpes all over your face, but because your homegirl bought it off Alibaba or wish.com. And that just spreads and then you call Aaron for Valtrex and Aaron's like, I'm sorry, I can't help you. - That will be a $300 consultation fee. - Yeah. - And she's like, no, well my plasma pen visit costs $300. You get what you pay for. So nice treatment poses a risk because it can create scars. So I saw a lot of like I Googled plasma pen like side effects. Women that have white dots were there. - Yep, yep. I've seen that myself. So like if you have dark skin, so if you're a woman of color, I mean, we've already talked about like how late you need to be careful with lasers and make sure you go to the trained professional. And you're burning your skin. When your skin turns white scars white, there is nothing you can do for it. Nothing minus tattooing it back to your normal color. - Yeah. - Cosmetic tattooing. - Yeah, that's messed up. And so, and also these out of home plasma pens are not regulated by the FDA. So there's no recourse. Like you can't, like oops, like I fucked you up permanently. So the FDA isn't aware of any legally marketed device. And actually it has been banned in Canada. It has been completely, but you can't like the Canadian health minister said like report any sort of plasma pen operation to us. - Oh my gosh. Okay, they're showing an example of a before and after. That looks like it could potentially be a melanoma that before photo. And then they're just burning it off. So you just burn off any pigmented lesion on your skin. - So they try to sell it. - They try to sell it as like you're supposed to put it in areas that like, you know, like where you normally would put filler, right? So like the nasolabial folds, the smile lines, the under eye bags. I saw a buff, like it's kind of mind blowing because I saw like a plastic surgeon offering plasma pen, which I'm like dude are like times tough because why don't you just sell Botox? 'Cause this is the problem. So plasma pen is like, oh we'll get rid of those 11 those lines in the middle of your forehead, but they're not realizing what is the underlying cause of the lines in your forehead. It's a muscle. That's the holding over and over. They could be this crumper into style off of her eye. Oh, that's disgusting. - It's a style she burned a style off of her eye. - She thought it was a mole line. - But it's a little style, a little infection. People don't know that though. - I wouldn't even cut that off. I would send you to an ocular plastic surgeon and you're burning it off around your eyeball. This is the scammy as Shammy as thing we've reviewed. - Yeah, it's really quite frightening because it's this comical actually. - Well this is so. - Oh my God. - There's so much. - No, there's some medsposite, carry it. I googled one med spa and they said, "The plasma pen is the world's most advanced, non-invasive, skin lifting, skin tightening, and rejuvenation device to treat wrinkles and sagging and dull skin." The plasma pen is an FDA approved, which I was like, "Dude, I think you got that wrong. Device to use, yeah, I'm sorry. I just saw this huge article on how Canada banned it because a woman came back with like a huge reaction like swollen shut. And so this thing, not only promises that you could like run it over lines in your face to smooth it out or to plump it, but it says you could remove now correct me Aaron on the pronunciation. Freckles, tattoos, granulation, nevis, warts and moles. - Yeah, I love that. - So you might be burning off with your little janky pen at cancerous mole. - Yeah. - And you die from cancer. - Anyone really think a $60 tool can take off all of those things. Like do you really think that? - A lot of people do. - I know, a lot of people go to the mole. Dr. Nyak, he is a plastic surgeon in St. Louis. He's a great plastic surgeon. Does great facial work. He did a whole video on the plasma pen and why how horrible it is. And he actually plasma pens at turkey breast. Go check it out on his page. - Oh, I should have discovered him. - Oh yeah, but Dr. Mike Nyak. - Yeah. - Can you see if it's, is he single? - No, he's married. I've done the medswa masteries with him. He's really nice guy. And if you're in the South, his face work is great. He's a good medspa too. - Yeah, so it says, so this pen was $200 and now it's $66. And it says, say goodbye to expensive visits to the dermatologist. Yeah, why bother going to like a board certified dermatologist who has a biopsy lab that could check if your skin has cancer? - No, just say no. - Why bother? - Okay, Nyak plastic surgery, N-A-Y-A-K. Check it out. - Cool. - Okay, so zero out of zero. Oh no, 10 out of 10, scam, sham. - Is the scamiest, most sham, a lamb of the scams, bams. - Yep. - Yeah, I'm glad that stay away from that plasma pen. You guys, and also, oh my gosh, Erin, I didn't even want to put these people on blast, but there's an academy where you can learn how to do this and they did like testimonial video of the people who went. And I was like, that I am concerned for like the future. Like this scares the shit out of me that they have like a burning, like you seriously, it's like, you know, when you go to the fair and you want to get like a belt and you're naming like burn into it, like that's what it's the same machine. Like you're burning into leather, you're burning into a skin. - Yes. - Your face. - Scrimp on your face. - No. - Do not. - Do not. - And if I can quickly and easily explain this, we do some things called a blade of latissers or non-ablative lasers where we treat the whole face, but we tone down the laser so it only treats a certain percentage of the face. See, like 10 to 15% of the face is actually treated with the laser. People try to equate that to the plasma pen, like, oh, I'm only doing 10 dots, it's like 10%. It is not because each one of those dots is at 100% damage of the skin. - Yeah. - So it is not the same thing, not even close. - No, no, no, no, so just avoid that like the plague. And if you are looking to correct your wrinkles, you just need some Botox or Disport stop playing yourself. - Yeah. - Stop, just comes yes. - Yeah. And if you can't see Aaron, just go, you know, look up on real self. Okay, the next one is-- - Real self is kind of a sham too, but let's-- - Oh, really? Have it been hitting you up lately? - Oh, no, but it's a lot of, it's paper play a lot of it. - Yeah, exactly, that's why they don't fuck with us. Because I met them once and they're like, what's up? You wanna, and I'm like, oh, I gotta pay to be like, I thought this was an aggregator, like a search engine for like reputable doctors, plastic surgeons. - No. - A lot of-- - Well, I had a patient, she was like, one of the, well, she's like, well, I don't want to do hyalinex 'cause it has a 42% disapproval rating on real self. And I was like, oh, I was like, okay. If you would like to take the real self approval rating versus my over a decade of experience, that is your personal choice. - She said that with a straight face. - And you said that with a straight face. How did she accept that? - We agreed to disagree, I'll just put it that way. - Yeah, he booted her. - Tudan and booted. - Tudan and booted. (laughs) Tudan and booted. I get so excited when you do that. Because that's when you know it's serious, but we've already talked about how to handle customers that aren't aligned with your-- - Yeah, we just didn't align and it's all good. There's someone different out there for her. - Yep, absolutely, we're all good. - Okay, so next one, Botox and a bottle. First of all, I'm just like, sit down, shut up. Botox and a bottle, we're in a-- - Oh, I'm sorry, I don't think I sent that to you. So it was actually a refinery 29 article. I'll send this to you right now in a text. And it was, so I think like the headline was Botox and a bottle. - Okay. - And it's just pretty much two ordinary serums, which the ordinary is scandalous. I mean, look up their founder and all the scandal that goes with them. It's kind of-- - I don't think I've ever looked at it. - Oh my gosh, Erin, it's like a 10 minute read. - Is it? - It's deep. Yeah, my friend Chung sent it to me and I was like, whoa, she was like, did you know about this? And I was like, no. So this gorgeous girl is holding up to Bottas of the ordinary and each bottle probably costs $6.49. - Mm-hmm. - Because they're all about, you know, and TikTok made it viral, you know, whatever. But yeah, we don't even have to get into the ingredients 'cause I don't think that's relevant. Bottom line is there is no such thing as Botox and a bottle unless you are Botox and toxin. - There you are. - There's no Botox and a bottle and the only thing close that could claim it, like slightest bit close would be like a retinol or a retinoid or retinay. And that is if you're using it forever. You know, women who've been using retinay for like 20, 30 years, their skin looks like fully Botox. It looks amazing. - Yeah, yeah. - Nico's been using it for like 25. He's been using retinol for a long time. - Is it, we're gonna make a real one, include you. And it's like a 70s and 80s baby is looking younger than all y'all. I'm like, where do we put Nico though in there? It's like-- - Nico busts through like the cool A man. He's like, "Bwa!" He's like, "I've been looking good since 1965." - Right. - He's like, question mark, question mark. - Seriously though. So yeah, when anybody, I mean, anything Botox and a bottle, like I said, unless you are the Botox that is delivered from Allergan, you are not, you cannot claim that shit. You cannot be Botox in a bottle. So yeah. - I can't even get into just like anything that says that. Well, this is just like, Refrinerary 29, like-- - Yeah, why haven't they mess with us? Why haven't they written about us? - Why do you have that? Like, I avoid, I've done this stuff and I just like, - I know. - I know, I need this stuff. - I know, people are like, you should have your own reality show. And I'm like, I actually don't want attention from people that would like, I don't wanna bring attention to me and have my life ruined. And you know, what if my baby daddy publicly apologizes on an Instagram story because he had a baby with another woman, Tristan Thompson, Chloe Kardashian. When I see that stuff, I'm like, that's mortifying. Imagine like your existence being so reliant upon like, like the deepest, darkest, most scandalous thing, like you had a baby with another woman and you apologize for it on your Instagram story. Did you heard about that, right? - Yeah, it's just ego. - Yeah. - I just don't, I don't have much ego. I don't think I do so. - Yeah, I just wanna marry, understand. - A rich art dealer or like, you know, I don't know, venture capitalist or, you know, personal wealth guy, real estate agent, and just be kept woman. I don't need to become a crowd out. I don't need to get on a reality show to do that. - Okay. - So if you guys have any brothers or any of these. - Are listeners, you know, are listeners you not help a sister out like that? They really don't. They're like, oh, you'd love my brother. And I'm like, so what's up? I'm like, oh, he's married. I'm like, get the fuck out of my DM then. I'm just kidding. I'm not like that in the DMs. I'm nice to you guys. Okay, so this is in a scammer's sham. And I let this follower ask the question. It's more of a Q&A. But she said, I heard that lasers can kill facial fat and that eventually looks to leads to a face looking hollow. That's true. - So yes and no. Okay. So there are some treatments. There's something called like all therapy where it can shrink some of the fat cells but sometimes you over shrink fat cells when you over treat the muscle or over treat the skin then you can get into trouble. But doing low grade lasers, like what we have the marmoxy, the BBL, it does not do that. So yes, with certain lasers and no without the other lasers. - Okay. - Anything that's doing like a skin like tightening, like a true deep tightening, then I think you're a little bit more at risk with that. We're like just collagen building. Yeah, all good. - Yeah, okay. And then the last thing I didn't even give you like a heads up on it but because we got it last minute, a Cavatelli machine. - Oh, Cavitation machine. Yeah, I think my auto corrects. - Cavatelli. - Cavatelli machine. - So I once say, I Googled cavitation. First thing that pops up on Amazon is a $400 machine that is a LIPO machine for home use. Shut up. - Well, it's not really that. Okay, so what it is is that it's not LIPO where they make a hole and suck your fat out. It kind of like massages your cell, your cellulitis. - To smooth it out. - You look like a tortenous short. So that cellulitis and, you gay, man, can't tell me cellulitis. It's just a little texture. It's a little flavor. - So yeah, so what it does is kind of massage is the area to help break up your cellulite. So the great news is, is that no harm no foul. The bad news is, is that what it does, it just causes temporary swelling, which makes the cellulite look better, which is not permanent. - So you could pack your portable unit and take it to Hawaii with you and massage your butt shakes and then hit the beach. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I honestly don't know how along with last four, but you know, if you're, I think a lot of like, estheticians do this, ours do not, but if your esthetician does it and you wanna get it before you're going on a vacation, you're honeymoon, by all means, like go for it. But if someone's spending like $1,000 on a treatment, then is it worth it? (mimics snorting) - Yeah. - I don't know about that. I wouldn't buy your own for home use. - No, that's frightening. - What if you like, yeah, burn a chunk and then you have a disc-sized chunk in your butt shake? So anyways, well that's it, y'all, the Cavatetli or Caviation, whatever. - Cavitation. - Cavitation, Michigan. - Let's see what we're supposed to use, learn today. Is there like some Sesame Street like, word of the day? - X-X-Gro. - X-Scoreation. - X-Scoreation. - To scratch at something. - Yeah. - Cavitation. Bullshit. (laughing) Wack, and I'm just getting, bioavailable. - Bioavailable. - That means you get off a treat. - What your body absorbs. - Yeah. - Okay, well that was a very informative, scammy, chammy. And I think, you know, if it makes you feel better and it's not breaking the bank, you're not going to credit card debt for it. - Live your life. - Live your life. - But do you. - Do let someone scam you into opening a credit line for some BS. - Yeah, for a Cavitation machine. - Autumn line. - All right guys, well thanks for listening. Make sure to share with your pals and comment and like on our Apple podcast. Like people aren't reviewing as much lately. 'Cause we haven't posted episodes in June. - No, well you would listen to the past. So thanks so much for listening everybody until next time. - Bye. - Bye.