Skin Hydration, Hyperpigmentation & Hypopigmentation: Solutions & Treatments for Eczema - S6E68

high-perpamentations because the top skin cells are too thick, are all accumulating a lot of dead skin cells. The high-poopamentations because the bottom skin cells are maturing too quickly. And only because the scratching, I expose a lot of the the image of skin cells, because it slows off the top layer of the skin cells. That said, if you address the skin hydration, we will address both the high-poop and high-poop amentation at the same time. Because with the skin being hydrated, the top layer, the excess skin cells on top can shed more easily, because if it's moist, it comes off easily, because it doesn't become thick and hardened anymore. If the skin cells and if it's moist, then it also addresses the high-poopamentation because there's less scratching, less inflammation, and therefore there's a normal maturing of the skin cells. And there isn't this early maturation on the skin cells or the premature skin cells coming up. So we address both things at the same time. Zima podcast. Do you suffer from hyper or high-poopamentation? And are you curious why it happens and how to stop it from happening? We are going to talk about it all in today's podcast. Today, I have Ben, who is a naturopath on my team, and he is doing a conversation with Sadie, who is also on my team and was a client in our program as well. So we have her full permission to share Otters, Hypo, and hyperpigmentation as well during today's conversation. You're going to hear about why it happens, whether the most critical nutrients for the skin, and also how to hydrate your skin from the inside out and also topically as well. Today is a really great conversation that you don't want to miss. And because this was also a conversation between them as well, I have removed more personal details that were shared, including specific dosages, especially because everyone is so unique and different, so dosages will change for each person. And please don't take this as medical advice as well, because everyone is bio individual, and what works for you may not necessarily work for someone else. And please check with your medical practitioner as well if you have specific recommendations or product suggestions that you would like to see if it would suit you as well. I really hope today's podcast will be able to help you. And remember that this is only the start. If you are going through other things like Candida, Thungle Overgrowth, or Bacteria Overgrowth, or there are pathogens or heavy metals happening inside your body, these recommendations can only help to a certain extent. And likely we will have to dive further to see what's happening and to do some detective work to see how we can help you. So keep that in mind. And if you ever need further resources, don't forget that you can have to my website, eximaconkers.com and download my free ebook six ways to clear exima naturally. If you're also looking for some support and for someone to audit your healing plan, one of my exima advises on my team can also help you during a complimentary breakthrough call. You can find that at eximaconkers.com in the menu bar, or you can click the link in this description to find out more about it as well. We really hope that we can help support you and guide you as much as we can on your healing journey. Don't forget that you're not alone. We are supporting you in this and we are all in this together. I hope you enjoy today's podcast. What can support this? This gives us a mature, nice day and good work from the, uh, few things. The, uh, essential fatty acid, the good fat, omega trees, omega six. We also know that vitamin D helps that, in fact, among the dermatologists, when they see high pore pigmentation, and this is called, this is like a lady called host in the phlegmatory, bioport and high-pore pigmentation p, and this is the term of the condition name. Okay. The dermatologist often give vitamin D publicly to address the high-pore pigmentation also. Okay. And then the other things, rather, each of them and fully. All these are critical in cell turnover, and vitamin D. These are the proteins that are usually useful. I'll ask more questions shortly to assess whether these levels are suppression or not. But yeah, to give you a bit of a view, um, always think of it on the skin like an elevator. And then there's high pore high-pore pigmentation that the south of the bottom cannot mature properly. Okay. And if they can mature properly, then they may become out too fast. And if they come up too fast, then the areas were quite, because they're not ready to come out yet. Okay. So then how do you use these fatty acids and ures and diuretics to support a normal mature reaction of the skin tissue? Okay. Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to assess her. Sure. I hear you will address that short meal or so. So even so today's aims, can I say that the main aim today is to address a high pore and have a high-pore pigmentation. Because I think that's there's both high-pore high-pore on the areas. Okay. No problem. Tell me the areas that had pigmentation, I think still itchy. Sometimes if she scratches, is those areas? Okay. Well, often that she scratches those areas. I would say, I don't know, sometimes she does it like very randomly on a day, on a regular basis, but it's just just scratching a little bit. And and I think sometimes it's out of habits that she does that. Also, I've seen it that if we go, if she goes to the pool that has chlorine, she does that. Okay, that's important. I remember that it gets more red if I remember we've been to North Carolina a few times. And I've seen her that there she scratches more for some reason. I don't know, maybe the pollen or something, even though here in Hong. Okay. Quite important because if the chlorine makes it worse, the chlorine dries the skin out. And then when it's dry, it gets itchy. That's number one. So one of the first aim today is how do we hydrate the skin from inside? And also, I should suspect that I suspect that today's focus actually, even though we focus on the elevator, but I think we have to also include one quite major focus on the inflammation still because all on the dryness rather. Okay. The reason being this usually if the examiner has fully cleared, the meditation goes away in six months. Okay. Yeah, for most people at least six months or even closer year, the skin fermentation should normalize with the sunlight normalizing the high pole areas. And the skin would just shed normally because of skin turns over every month to a whole new skin layer. And that would shed the high fermentation. So I think that there's still the dryness that it keeps the skin's renewal because if it's dry, then the elevator becomes hard, harder. It can't go on quite to start it. The skin is all hard. And it just also shed with it. For myself, also, I shed with high point at high-pementation for the longest time. You can see my, I'm not sure if you see the area, the area, the area, the area, it's a bit of a rotation. So these are all black, all dark and black. And I realized that when I was in a dry climate or when I was supposed to chlorine, these areas got so hard and so thick and they couldn't turn over. So what can I do today is how do we then hydrate the skin from the inside? Because using moisturizers only hydrates to top one or two layers. But we have the bottom four layers that I thought they are still dry. So if we can hydrate the inside, then the skin can turn over quickly. And there's another one. Number two, it is hydrated. There's not itchy. And there's not itchy. It is not not inflamed. And therefore, it becomes normalized. The color becomes normalized. Okay. Another thing that we do, and she doesn't want to do it anymore. I like she barely hydrates her skin. So like sometimes she forgets. Or I know that with me using she bought her for the longest. And it's to take four here. So it's like she's tired of that she bought her already. And so she doesn't even hydrate it a lot. That day that I took the picture, she wasn't hydrated at all. Yeah. Okay. I find it sits on top of the skin, but it doesn't go in. Okay. Yeah. Have you ever tried using fish oil, trimmost oil, ham, sea oil before? So yeah. So, fact, when I do the the shape butter mix, I mix it with borch oil and primrose oil and also seabot torn and a little bit of coconut oil. So I mix all of that. I whip it and then I make it a cream. On the inside, she has taken the Omega 6. I think it is a EPA and DHA. And I have noticed that it really helped her. We stopped using it probably more than six months ago. You stopped it six months ago. Yeah. Yeah. Probably six months ago. Yeah. So we just made sure I captured this correctly so that the EPA is here, you're on it, but you stopped it six months ago. Yeah. But when it shows on the EPA, the EPA showed the skin improves a lot. Yeah. We see that. It doesn't like it helps with the moisture. I forgot about that. So the supplements are useful for sure. And the thing that we can add onto this is then there is actually nothing here quite for dehydration at the moment. And the skin is made of fat. Every one of ourselves is surrounded by a cell membrane that is a fatally membrane. So therefore, I'm thinking we can do three things today. Number one, we introduce your Omega 3 EPA DHA. Number two, introduce a Omega 6 GRA. Because we need both Omega 3 EPA DHA and Omega 6 GRA to help the skin layer together. Both of these need to come together at the same time to help it. Okay. At the same time, I'm quite happy that you're on the multi vitamin, your your dollars on the multi vitamin and the multi million because these help the oils to become used by the body better. So this promote the metabolism of the fat. But we need to pump. It's like the car. We the car has the accelerator but we must pump the petrol. The petrol is a fat. So let's give the car the petrol and then you already have the accelerator that the vitamins and minerals and then they'll come together and help your your your your your your dollars skin. I also hear you about the cause of this. Do you show me to propose by different fish? Oh, that is quite is quite good for. Yeah, I will. I would like to find sure. There is this product called pure encapsulations one Omega. I mean, here is something to. So let me answer question by drawing a diagram and this will be clear for the clear. So the information is not systemic. It's like the like localize and tropical skin because if your systemic should be itchy or many more areas and she flows forward or she would just have like very random fliers, not itchy like before, but I don't think she's having that anymore. Yeah, she hasn't had off layer like ever since we we finished a protocol. Yeah, so I think the inflammation is actually topical is upon the skin because of the dryness. So to answer questions, you're asking just now whether it's a systemic or as a topic. Oh, this is not a topic or because if she goes into a chlorine pool or when she's dry, she gets itchy. What happens is that the dryness here impairs the skin barrier. So the skin barrier has a lot of these, we had this small like cracks of holes. So there's a leaky skin. So the leaky skin then causes inflammation. And I think there are some residual inflammation in the skin. So leaky skin then causes the itchy skin and causes inflammation. And when there's inflammation, then the skin cannot be paired self-adreport because the skin is always spreading against the inflammation. And you recall we had the elevator concept where the the skin has actually six layers. And when the top layer is constantly in the back flow with the dryness and the itching and inflammation, the bottom layer cannot come up and mature properly. And that's when the high pro pigmentation begins or even the high pro pigmentation because there's always inflammation here. And what's between one and the other? The high pro and hyper. Yeah. So the high pro pigmentation is often when the the top layer is too dry and it gets stuck. Okay. It's like an accumulation of the day skin cells, I get stuck there. And the more skin cells accumulate, the more dry and darkening it is because the elevator goes up, goes up, goes up. And it's a stuck that the top layer can shed because it's stuck as it dries, it's dry and it's becomes hardened. And therefore it becomes thick and like a sandpaper, sandpaper consists in sea. So the high pro pigmentation is because the skin cells are top become stuck and hardened. Now the high pro pigmentation often times when there's scratching, it the scratching literally also scratches off the skin cells. And then the bottom skin cells come up too early and they are immature. Okay. And with the immature, then they haven't had a chance for what I call the the melanin pigments to come in. And melanin is the one that makes the skin more 10. So to answer questions in brief, high pro pigmentation is because the top skin cells are too thick, are all accumulating a lot of dead skin cells. The high pro pigmentation is because the bottom skin cells are maturing too quickly. And only because scratching exposes a lot of the the immature skin cells, because it slows off the top layer of the skin cells. That said, if you address the skin hydration, we will address both the high pro and high pro pigmentation at the same time, because with the skin being hydrated, the top layer, the excess skin cells on top can shed more easily, because if it's moist, it comes up easily. Because it doesn't become thick and hardened anymore. If the skin cells and if it's moist, then it also addresses the high pro pigmentation because there's less scratching, less inflammation. And therefore, there's a normal maturing of the skin cells. And there isn't this early maturation of the skin cells, or the premature skin cells coming up. Okay, sounds good. I talk about meditation. This is the accumulation of the skin cells, where are called the caroteno psychs. These are the top layer of the skin cells, the cumulates, that becomes back and hardened. No, so this is high, high pro pigmentation. And the high pro pigmentation is where the inflammation leads to the cause of the immature skin cells to be exposed, if it's produced, and all the other resurfaced to eat too fast. Exactly. resurfaced to parts. Yes, love it. So that's a reason. But the cause of these is still the same, or one cause, there are many causes this, but one cause of this is the same, which is the dry skin. So, yeah, so let's have to answer your question before I go. If I move on to the the fish oil. Yes. And you know what's funny that Emma's condition, this is how it started. Like she has this dry spots that when we took her to that that it will become itchy. And then when we took her to the dermatologist, that's when we went to the steroids, just because. So it's funny that I'm thinking, you know, maybe the issue was not really like, there was no need of steroids to start with. With the one, the proper approach. And also, and I know we had to work on her got to when her and her diet. But the problem could be solved as easy as just, you know, given the body what it needed, then all deficiencies change in diet and and addressing this dryness, which caused inflammation and itchiness. So that the problem became a lot worse when we introduced the steroids. Yeah, for sure. And actually steroids actually impaired the skin's proliferation. So we discuss here about the the caroteno site proliferation, she steroids impaired and steroids actually, steroids actually, um, impaired the skin's collagen formation. So it actually makes the skin more thin, more weak. Yes, yes, yes. And not we discuss the skin has six layers. But the steroids actually flattened many of these layers. Because it impairs the thickness of her called the fibroblast, fibroblast are the skin's tissues that produce collagen. So with the fibroblast being impaired, then it can produce as much collagen and get thin. And that this skin becomes even more white because because so yeah. And we went through that process of seeing her skin very thin. I want she's crotch will cut herself right away. And then it went through that process of the elephant skin where it was very hard. And then it became soft. So her skin right now it's it's pretty soft. I'm actually amazed because she had a lot. She had a very like a an outbreak on her face. And once we were able to work on the protocols, her face is like a baby face. Like her skin is the baby skin again. Amazing. For sure. And it has been such a long journey for you. I'm glad that you're coming so far. I'm happy for and yourself. Thank you. Yeah. So the two also some lines what you said. This is a cycle dry skin. Let's allergens in the skin so there many immune cells in the skin. And these in the cell send signals. It says hate that there's a tag that the house the house and the fire let us release inflammation. And then it causes the H scratch H scratch cycle and then that's how it starts. So the the dryness and the impact skin barrier is almost always not almost but it's very often the first point of the first trigger. Because if your fortress is strong, the enemies cannot come in. And if the enemies can come in, then there's no wall to fight. So today's aim we can do for Emma is we seal off we strengthen her fortress wall. If her wall is strong, then there's no itching, no scratching. Okay. The Emma have exesmasis. When she was a baby, she would have this little dry patches. Like and the first thing we noticed was on her back of her on her back. So we noticed when we use fragrances like soaps with or creams with lotions with fragrances, they will make it like drier. And then when she turned three, that's when she started to scratch on the creases of her hands. And that's when we started. But in reality, we never had like a like a flare like a big flare. And we stop the serites. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. So sometimes there was a TSW rebound reaction also. Yes, yes, exactly. So I'm so today we have two aims. Address a high pro-pimentation and a higher pro-pimentation by nourishing and hydrating the skin. So aims is the aim today is to hydrate. Do you think water consumption needs to be increased as well or the skin being dry, the skin is a few nutrients. It needs water, it needs fat. So the water we have to discuss it and that's the cost of that. So the pure encapsulations, one omega. And this is a supplement. Has she ever tried has another ever tried taking three most oil or hemp seed oil or borrower oil in turn? No, because for the oils, we need we need both omega tree and omega six. So the fish oils provide omega trees and then so this provides omega trees. And this also not just helps the skin also helps the brain development and helps the immune system because for us we also look at the whole body and not just the skin, we treat it. So it helps the brain cognition, helps the moment and many more things. So let us use these new primal oils for the primal oil. You can actually get the pure encapsulations brand also. It's a very good brand and I find it very clean because my preference is to use supplements that avoid that don't have all those color rings and flavor rings because unless for kids who who need it, otherwise I try to avoid the excess, it's like cpers and excess added flavors because they do, you can sometimes trigger etching for some for some slides. So yeah, so it imprimine oil and this is the link for this and provides omega six, GIA for skin hydration. I am trying to not give her too much omega six because if it's excess omega six and it can also imbalance the omega tree to six ratio. The ratio matters. Therefore we need to have actually most people are lower in omega tree and most people have too much omega six therefore the ratio is important. So this will make sure that the ratio remains balanced between omega tree and omega six. Now for the topic goals, but actually for me, I used to also run herbal cream workshops and now I'll teach people how to make creams on scratch. We have a walk of the office and we then mix it together and then it becomes a very nice cream and so but that's it right. Actually to be honest, for me, I see better results with internals. The creams, it can help but eventually as we give Emma the primus oil and the fish oil, you should see that she becomes less reliant on moisturizers. Okay. So my preference is always to treat her inside. You can try the topic goals for sure and you see how it goes. Okay. What's your saying about the red light therapy? Yeah, that's okay. I mean, I find that when a therapy is more useful when the skin is cracked or when it's very thin, but it should be more about the dehydration of the skin. So you can see you feel like red light therapy, but I think that for today what I'm hearing more is that the main cause is the lack of good facts. Okay. And if you for a kid, how much time do you recommend doing it for how long? And if we see most of the research that they do, it's around five minutes twice a day. But then again, I find that red light therapy, it controls the symptoms so well, but it doesn't quite address the dryness. So you can try that like five minutes, five a day and see how it goes. But I would focus more on the dryness today so that we that is the root, one of the main root root causes of the of the pigmentation issues I'm sharing to think. Will you still stay away gluten? Unless she has the reaction to gluten or unless she has positive or see that disease. Okay. I remember she tried gluten and we were so scared to try it again. And she kept saying, you see, you see nothing happened. Yeah. So not all ex-mark cases are food related. A food place is a big part. I'm not I'm not done playing food, but it's not always the main trigger. Okay. It sounds like one of the triggers here is the hydration. So I think let's give these a try and see first. Okay. All right. Sounds good. This is these two end-topic goals. Now, time frame wise, give these two or three months. They need time to be incorporated into the skin. So give it time. It will take some time for these to the work. Three months. So the cream I'm giving the recipe here. I posted the tree slides, but yeah, this is the you have the you have the and when you say 25 ml of oil, what oil would you recommend best for her? Rose oil, over about oil. Yeah. Rose, it over about oil is nice. Okay. Can you please put it in there? Rose, it for over. Rose, it over. Okay. These are proportions. So even make more just double double triple the amounts accordingly. Okay. Yeah. I think for today, this is quite we are covering it quite a lot of ground from the diet. Oh, my gosh, she is the the supplements. Oh, my gosh, she's in six water and a cream. So we are coming from all angles and we are addressing this quite comprehensively. Thank you so much. It was a great session. No problem. So yeah, I'm glad that you found it. You swin. Let us know how an angle and again, timeline wise, give this around three months, because it takes time to if you eat the oils, the oil takes time again to go to the skin. The skin is a last organ. It's the most peripheral. So therefore, she oils will go to her brain first or go to her organs first and then go to the skin as a last organ. So it takes some time, but you should see some you should see more hydration in around two or three months. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. No problem. Not that share. I hope you found this episode helpful. I know that I did because because I've struggled with so many years of hyper and hypopigmentation and just damage to my skin from all the years of using steroids and medication on it and the years of scratching and flare ups and severe flares and it's been really really hard but as I'm sure many of you know I've met so many of you who have also gone through the same thing and can relate as well so I hope that you have also found this information useful in today's podcast. And don't forget to check with your doctor before you follow any of these. It's not meant to be taken as medical advice but we are just sharing from our point of view on what Sadi in particular can do in her circumstance so be sure to check with your practitioner as everyone is so bio individual. And don't forget that if you do want to learn more about how we can help you or you want to learn more about our program you can check out my website eczemaconkers.com and head to the breakthrough calling there to speak with one of my eczema advisors and learn how we can audit your healing plan and help you figure out if you're missing anything there or even what approaches you can take to actually be able to get to the root cause and help you figure out what's causing your skin to flare. So don't forget to check that out at eczemaconkers.com or you can just head to the link in the description and book a free breakthrough call as well. I hope this episode was helpful and take care. Hope you'll pass it along to your friends. Visit eczemaconkers.com for more articles and tips. Thanks for listening.