Sinner & Sabalenka serve up the sunshine double, Miami recap w Spencer Segura

Hey, it's comedian Adam Ray and I'm inviting you to listen to my podcast about last night. Every Monday, I'm sitting down with some of the biggest names in the game. We've had on guests like Sandra Bullock, Melissa McCarthy, Bill Burr, Joel McAill, Jason Jorulo, Adam Divine, Tiffany Haddish, Neil Patrick Harris, Tom Siguro, Whitney Cummings, Scary Baton, Sean Camtay, Nick Harvey, the head and the heart and more. So grab a burrito, put your kids in the garage, cop your stepdad, and enjoy the about last night podcast on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Post Miami in person edition in Santa Barbara. This time, the Spencer and I drove up to you in the dining room. What's going on guys? Well, you know, you guys coming up here this time was kind of nice. I must say, to get you to Santa Barbara, you know, had a little tennis this morning with Spencer. It didn't sound like a little. No, it was a little too much. Then it had a little lunch and now we're sitting down doing a podcast here, but it's always good to sit around the table like this when the three of us get together. Yeah. Looking at each other in the eye. Yes. And kind of say, what's he giving us here? So you've been busy. You know, for a while and I know we've had a podcast since you've gotten back from doing the Olympics, but you've had two weeks of hardcore tennis. Yeah, two weeks of Indian Wells and then two weeks of Miami. So yeah, it's good. It's good. Got a little few days off now. So kind of got a little sleep in. Yeah. Come up and have some good food with you guys and do a pod. So I want to jump right into it if you don't mind. Please do. I know Spencer coming around and growing up when I first came out to California when I was 15 and walked into the Beverly Hills tennis club and met his dad and met Spencer for the first time. We were kids and became friends and still friends today. I mean, we can sit across and talk about tennis and everything like this and still walk away being buddies, which is kind of cool. Yeah. The fact that we're talking about tennis is good. Exactly. So that brings up my questions, Ben. So I'm going to get right into it. Your dad, Pancho Segura, my coach, a great friend of my moms, who taught me and would not give me to anybody else except your dad to really teach me the men's game and how to try to be a great player in the men's game was one of the all-time greats. Not only with his game and his strokes, but his mind more than anything. So you've been around and you've seen tennis from the '50s, the great players of the '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, you know, up until today and have seen the game and watched the game and watched how it has transformed over the years. Tell me your thoughts on that? Well, my thoughts were I've liked the good fortune from the age of, by the time I was four years old, I'd been around the world twice in the '50s on propeller planes with my dad traveling the circuit. By the time I was eight, I'm watching my dad play Rose Walhoed, Frank Sedgman, Pancho Gonzalez, Tony Traver, those kind of guys. So I got to see all those great players of the '50s and then the ones that were, then those guys basically were two old Jack Kramer when the game opened in '68 and I still got to see Rose Wal and then Laver and then I saw the Emerson's, the Nukems, the Smith- Smith, my dad taught Smith from the age of like 12. You know, I got to see all those guys which then there was the pro era which were those guys. My dad's era couldn't play in the Wimbledon's after, until 1968. If they had turned pro prior to '68, they were out until '68 when the game opened and I always felt today that players like Gonzalez, my dad, Hode, Rose Wal were better than the players. Nobody's going to get mad at me like Nuke, like Nuke, and Smith and those guys, I didn't think they'd compare it and it was when you came in with Borg, then Lendon, and then Dull, those guys I thought brought the level up to them when the game was open now and then that is when I felt the game became into a Renaissance again where the great players were winning the term as it were. You had Wimbledon, you had guys who won on Wimbledon in the '50s when Rose Wal, Gonzalez, Sakura, Sedgman, Kramer, they couldn't play. So I didn't care, I didn't really count that. But what the main difference for me was when I watched today's guys, and they have great games, great backhands, they're bigger, they're many are great athletes, the depth of the game is incredible, but they're playing this running game from two feet behind the baseline, yet everybody's talking about how fast the ball is going and that they all have the guys like your era, even your era, oh they didn't hit the ball hard, your ball wasn't hard to hit, and I saw guys like Rose Wal, they were smaller guys but the ball didn't come off the ground, it's skidded and you couldn't get under it. And basically the guys who played with severe tops and broke their wrist under the ground, they couldn't ball. And so the game was predominantly a grass court game up until early '70s in which they then went, US Open went off grass, Australia went off grass I guess in the later '70s. And so then you went from a grass court game to two cement games maybe and the French was always red clay and Wimbledon was always grass. And Sam now your Sam person those guys come in, Sam person was I think the greatest second serve, great he was not just a great server he was a great player, but he dominated so well with his second serve that and the American players and the Australian players were all serve and volley players, played off the ground. And I think what happened was, I don't want to say it sort of sounds like a conspiracy, but maybe it's the powers to be decide they want to slow the game down and make it more of a uniform game to play the same way. On all surfaces. On all surfaces. And I think they went too far as what in my opinion because I think it would be more exciting if they were not all the courts played the same way. But the ball, the racket and the courts all changed at the same time and as a result you're able to stand back further even though the balls hit huge. There's some scientific evidence which you can talk about, that the ball hit and speed sped up when it hit. Where's the new ball bounces up the court. And so that gives you more time. I can tell you from it used to be you couldn't have great ground strokes that hit 20 balls with the old tennis racket and the old balls. Not very few people could do it. And now everybody's got great ground strokes. Is that mean everybody's that much better? No, I think it's the equipment enables you to be better today and enables you to be better meaning solider off the balls higher though. So if it's a low ball, you better have the right technique to be able to play that ball with the old equipment and even with the new equipment, you're better too. Because you played this all the way. So today's game for me is even though we talk, it is the rattling from two feet back and the not learning how to use the whole court like the old guys did makes it a little bit less exciting for me. I was explaining what you mean using the whole variety. So the whole court. So for instance, I'll give you an example. All right. The whole angle, short angle. So with real man, remember my dad always talked about short angle. Well, you volley, drop volleys, angle volleys, don't volley. You be it. Everybody used to come in a lot. So then it was like, how do you use the equipment when you come in? You don't just hit the ball in deep because that gives them time to run it down and pass. You angle it off of where you drop it and on grass. Borg, you know, great serve. He volleyed fairly decently, not great, but he dropped the ball and you know what he, the ball didn't bounce. Right. So you came in on the old grass, you didn't have to be a great volleyer if you had a great serve or a good serve. So you know, what's happened today by being on, by standing two feet back, everybody puts the ball and play and you start off these rallies and these guys got great groundies and they hit these great running points from two feet, three feet back. Two feet is like hugging the baseline. They're like twenty, fifteen feet. That favors a six foot three guy with a longer arm span. Who can, when he follows through, his natural follow through will take the ball deeper even though because he's three feet back. If you take a five foot seven guy, three feet back and he's following through, he's got a problem that's not going to go. It's not going to go that's the game they play that running behind the game and I think they need to learn it to take to really win like Alcaraz does it, Jokovic does it, second serve, you need to learn how to come forward and I think that would make the game more exciting if these got, but they're so good playing their game. They just decide to play the game the way they do, which is way back and rally. A lot of guys, right. And Sinner is the master of it. He's got a tremendous. was super long follow through and he can hit deep from way behind them and he stays low if you watch him how low he stays for a big guy he's the most flexible big guy I think agile agility wise okay so you play him from behind the baseline he's gonna be he's got bigger game so you have to learn how to what you say he's got a big because he does everything better than everybody else he he serves big especially since he lost him wimbledon like five years ago I watched the match I was actually there that year to Joker or he's two sets to one he hadn't hit one first he didn't hit one first serve the whole match if you had all he had to do is improve his serve and start moving he if he moves forward boy that's yeah watch out watch out but he doesn't still he doesn't really move forward whereas Alcarazmo's forward and Joker big so what's keeping him what's keeping Alcaraz and center as great as they are yeah from from our or or maybe or maybe I'm not seeing something is it the racket the string or whatever that that keeps him from from moving forward in go out Alcarazmo's forward but what we're talking about is that staying you and I talked about it on the approach shot when you're hitting the ball on the rise remember which is means you have to have it almost open stance that you move into the ball when you followed through you have to keep staying down and you go to the net today's guy standing up so high that when he hits the ball he finishes up like a golf swing with a forehead right now and leading backwards like a back or now where he doesn't know where the ball the ball went deep but he's got to see where the balls coming once you approach you've got to be low and you get a feel for what's going to happen as you move in on the guy as you move into the net and I think today these guys haven't been doing it's just a map that they can't do it they've got everything right these guys have all the ability it's would even be they just never have had to do they just beat you by beating you from the baseline right so not accustomed to it and just the guy who gets a custom to it with the angle they have like joke of it can do it he does it right he could volley more alcoraz when he's flying through the he does a lot of that coming in angles y'all you know I think all a lot of it is what my old man discussed with the score which would Jimbo was great at you're up 30 love and and you're playing on the doll let's let's just take a minute a bit why stand at the fence on his second serve you can stand up and you hit a deep like joke of it played him you might get a short ball remember the whole day the whole game in the old days was get a short ball take advantage of it and do something forward angle it off and move forward yeah today the whole thing is you hit the so big from anywhere that they miss or you move your roll you get them off you know the court and then you hit a big shot but they never want to take it in the air and I'm what I would think with the score you can take more chances at Tommy Paul we watch that match serving double match point against fees six to up and the third set break I was the best match at the tournament I did that match because he has tremendous talent no question about it why wouldn't you serve one and come in you first now first off it's got to be a first serve you don't come in today on a second serve when a guy's standing four feet back because he got too much time unless you got the great it you let you're Sam Brass right so sorry are you saying that that the guys today they're court since and and the way they follow the ball is is different now they don't have the approach shots savvy of how to hit approach shots and come in hit a volley and finish the point off in fact when do you see it how many often you it's almost like they they have the opportunity they're inside the court yeah and and they hit such a big shot and then they move back right they go back so that's the other coach the boat trope the biggest forehand that he hit that's right way blue is wrist up he's hitting these monsters right from two feet back he's got balls and he all he had to do is come in he's decides you know swinging forehand three quarter a quarter in from the baseline that kind of it's much more you know your margin area is you know you don't have the margin bearer but unless you come and it would take a lot less you be a lot less strain on your physically doing just moving forward and moving and also you make your player pass you which I think is a harder thing but Alcharez one of a few guys that plays right at you when you come to next right right a lot of guys will try and pass you hit a winner stupidly right well there you go you got you you've got two match points and you make fees you know you think he's a huge hitter he probably would have tried to pass him 50 50 misses and you win the four match points and you win the point right there but I'm saying first serve and also you you pick you know the other thing about the old my old the dad my dad and you you study where the guy plays serves right under he they see people serve in patterns they serve the same way Sam Brasovsky serve the tee on Agassi never actually never moved out but I'm just saying if you think of that and then you move up and it's a second serve yeah we're talking about and and that these guys learn to move up that's good as they are I think they'll be way better and play the score when they're ahead make the guy put him under pressure don't just open up with a rally right how many I think a lot of it is like these guy what at 25 they're gonna start to learn to volley like they you need to be naturally volley and earlier like that's why Carlos is so surprising to see him at 1920 21 yeah coming forward moving forward you know being so good at net already it's because you have to get into that earlier I can't you can't realize that I'm 15 in the world to get to eight I need to learn to volley it's like it's too late most people it's too late for a bad look at the dog can volley well even though he never used to come in yeah well he yeah he's one of the few guys who came really good but they're the greats of the game too like yesterday we're watching the match with Lahecca and he kept trying to get to net and he would get caught in like no man's land because he doesn't either he doesn't come in with a big enough shot right or he comes in on a second serve he tried to serve in volley on second serves there and he gets caught in the middle and then center is just gonna you know he barely gets a dink over the net and his center just hits the winner the approach has to be angled off to the weaker side generally deep yeah getting you know you can't just come in with a fall came in with a big point with a forehand cross court right to the guys for an medium pace and then he came to net there's no way you're gonna get hit now the way to play that is way jumbo and play go right at you hits it hard right now you set you up for the next shot you pass them right you don't have to have winners I think that's a lot of it is the bad approach shots are not knowing when they're following in a pro shot yeah because they're not used to doing it but I thought Alcharez played center a couple times inside the baseline on second serves came in on him on big big points in the tie break right yeah yeah he played he played such personal tennis back and forth back like you said he's a high-brake he goes he goes in he goes back he's got the talent to do all that and it's just the score when you can do it I mean if you try to hit out hit center from two feet back I don't know that many guys can't but I don't see this which we said centers forehand got short in the match with like how check out let's go yeah I was wondering how that was he hitting short forehands it but how much of that was almost him like goading him to come forward because he knows that when he's not good at coming forward but if you're hitting short forehands I don't care if you said if you've got a big game like jokobick beat him hitting early on top of him with every ball and then if he gets an early shot you you've got you've got to hurt him every time you can't do that and it'll hit that ball on the rise like that you've got to be 26 years old yeah I was just gonna say that takes that's work that's a different that's a different strain on your body you know and and in jokovic though he plays like that I mean he's 38 years old and and at that age that's tough to do so that has to be taught early right well I'm telling you if somebody if they don't do that to sinner he's gonna be right keep beating them everybody yeah and then Alcharez be the only one well you said earlier about the the courts and everything yeah all the games were on grass mostly everything was grass so that's what like terrible it was like the opposite it was like the opposite of today where like the style you had to play because of the conditions and the equipment was quick reaction you know less time you know like bit smaller strokes because you didn't have the time moving forward all that stuff and then now it seems like it's like transitioned all the way to the other side where now the guys hit it bigger and harder with the equipment and everything so now they're trying to slow the ball down slow the court down right which then leads to guys with these you know women and men with these huge windups right like a guy like fees or even cocoa they take big windups on the forehand right and back in the day everyone's looking at it like we would never have time for that right but now they have now they have the time yeah you know so they've created a game where almost everyone has as much time as they need to hit the kind of shot they want right which is different than a reactionary sort of game which it used to be you know like indoors carpet grass you know like hard court stuff like that and it seems like they maybe did it at Wimbledon like we were talking there's a video I'll repost where it talks about feds first win at Wimbledon in 03 a serve at the same speed as like one later tip 10 15 years later and the bounce is different the speed it gets there different the time you have is all the the oldest faster the new gives you more time rights from winning hits right and it seems like they almost like the theory was tested at Wimbledon yeah and maybe I don't know they liked what they saw or they liked that it brought in more players who had a chance to win like the ball winning and clay court guys and then they spread it to the hard courts you know they spread it's all when it Wimbledon only right you know if they wanted to change something but but but because you know and Spencer said it because back back in the day I mean it was bad grass yeah you know now it's a Wimbledon it's a different grass it's a hybrid I think and you know it doesn't even look that beat up [BLANK_AUDIO] at the end of two weeks anymore. - Well, nobody uses the middle of the court anyway. - Right, but even the back, it's obviously worse than when it starts, but it's not like it used to be, it used to be, oh my gosh. It hits in that patch. - It's gonna die. - Right. - Yeah, well, I think the games, they've got great, great athletes. If these guys, if we could teach them that, they would be more exciting. I think tennis has to be careful that it doesn't turn into just a rally. Like you go too far with extremes, like if you have two faster courts, now we've gone that extreme other way. I think they should make the courts a little faster, and ball maybe, especially the hard course. - Especially the hard course. - The different ball that bounces a little differently, and you'll see more approaching and coming to that, because I think that's exciting. I think the suspense of a point is, I like it better when their guys are attacking, and then the guy has hit a passing shot. Borges pass him on the run, run inside way. I mean, huge points. - Right. - You're in, now the guy's got to hit a pass, and he does. - Yeah. - Or he hits a top spin like winner-label or your head, or I mean, those kind of shots are all gone. All the angle shots are gone. - All the field shots. - I think the falling, it was exciting. I do agree when you get a guy just bombs, and nobody puts the ball in play, it is boring. - Yeah. - Okay, it's boring when these guys miss everybody, like a first set with Paul and Fees, they both of them didn't hit a return. And they were going, "Why?" - But they were so boring, and then they got into it. - Got into it. - Yeah, got into it. - Well, I think they have to be careful, because it keeps feeding into each other, where the equipment gets better, and then they swing, they have more times, the courts are slower, so then they feel like they have to swing harder, and then they're hitting the ball. Like some of the forehands in the Paul Fees match, Fees was hitting them, 105, 107, 106. That's huge. Four hands. Paul too, over 100, like five or six times. And it's like, well, then they, but if you hear them, they always say, it feels like we can't even get hit a winner. Like we can't hit through the courts. So then they swing harder, they're trying to hit it harder, and then because they're hitting it harder, then they slow the ball down more, they slow the court down more, because if they're hitting it too hard, it's not going to be rallies, and then round and round we go. - And the goal is, they're able to hit it that hard. - You know, because it's slowing up high. - Right. - We're going to be able to do that. - But then that's leading to all these shoulders, and elbows, and neck, and all the upper body injuries, because the guys feel like they have to swing and hit it so hard to hit a winner. They're running more, they're running of the baseline side to side, the sliding and electric. - Yeah. - You know, like center at that height, that he's six what, three. - I think so. - Remember what happened to Quirton. I mean, you torque your hips on a, those kind of daily basis, at that height, he doesn't take much to tear your hip. - And you're right, he gets low. Like he's so whipped with the wrist. Both sides, he can get under the ball. - Yeah. - Being six three, he can get that. - He's great athlete. He's great athlete. That's what makes me. - He's kind of gumby. He's like at the lanky, like, you know, the way he's built is like really good for that. - Yep. - But those great, you guys can move like that. - Right, yeah. That's six three. - Yeah. - Well, what did you think about the match? We watched some of the final yesterday. I mean, it's just, the hedge could felt like it was, you know, one of those, he's happy to be there. - Right, yeah. - His master's one thousand. - I think he gets more talent than he showed. That's all, I think the fact that he went four, six four with the guy, and he was banging. He was in that second set. - He doesn't know how to play him. That's for sure in my mind. He did not play him. - Well, it's hard to. - It's hard to find a weak song. - What would you have done if you were a hedge coach? - Well, actually, I was asking you, you said you'd play him like you'd play Lendel. - Lendel? - Yeah, but that was my game. You know, I'm a lefty, so it was my best shot, my backhand, to his forehand. And that's kind of, you know, the way I would have tried to play him and, you know, like your dad always used to say, you know, mix it up. - Yeah. - You know, try to play, you know, one or two to that side, but just don't let him just stand over there in that corner and just, you know, and tee off on it, you know, mix it up. You know, hit a short one, hit one down. - Well, it's got joke of it played him. - Yeah. - Australia, that's right. - So the guy wants to beat him. He's got a good coach, he's paying thousands of dollars. You get the tape of joke of it beating center. - Right, exactly. - And you analyze it by the score. You analyze it by which shot is we going shorter in the court? And what I was amazed yesterday was I was always thinking that Sinner's got this monster for him, which he does, but it's short a lot of the time because he does do a lot of swing. He has a tear turns the face to the fence, but he gets the whip from that, but it whips. And when he doesn't have time, it's shorter. And I think if we were to watch the joke of the tape, I bet she took advantage of that. - Yeah. - Problem is he's Yuri Lahecca and not Novak Joke. - Well, he's like, he doesn't have the new tools. - You gotta believe in yourself. - Yeah, I get it. Look, that guy's got a lot of talent. He can play like that. He just has to do that. - He had a great tournament. He served like light-sourced tournaments. - So the other thing, I got, excuse me, brother. But I got a question. So would you rather go out there and play your regular game and know that you're not going to be able to stay in there with a guy like Alkaraz or Sinner and just play your regular game and know it's going to be four and four and walk off and be satisfied with that. Or should you try something different? I mean, listen, I got blistered a few times myself. Everybody does. But I always try to figure out a way, to try to do something different, to mix it up to catch you. - Well, you were an example. So when you were your best on cement with these guys, big servers, the guy would say to my dad would say, my dad would say, "Which way do you want to lose? You want to lose quicker? You want to slower?" If you come in every ball on Jimmy's second servant or you're going to lose quick because he'd return your serve down to your feet, that's he's got the best return of that fight, which you did in the world of that kind of serve on cement core of that kind of game. Guys had trouble holding serve on you, okay? Stay back with Jimbo. You're going to, at that point, you're going to lose on cement. You're going to, he's going to beat you, but you're going to, you have a better chance. So if you have the game to do it, then you should try to do what would, the slowest way to lose. So, Lecky or whatever, he should have figured out, I'm not going to just pound the ball and stand two feet behind the base. I'm going to try and hurt his second servant. I'm going to try and attack him some way. And maybe you're going to lose, but you're going to lose, but at least you're trying something. So I'm going to try to attack him. And he was in the points with him. Yeah. And that's what threw me off, that I was thinking he would just be blasted off. He was not blasted off. No, he wasn't. No. And the guy was hitting short front. So that is why Alcharez has a shot still. And that's why, you know, if this guy, if Sinner starts standing in on second serves and returning big to the middle, getting shorter balls sooner and starts to come in behind some things. Watch out. Watch out. He could be over for everybody. I don't think as talented as Alcharez, it is going to be right now. Exactly. Except for Alcharez. Alcharez can has all that content, but I think Sinner's got bigger guns, potentially in my mind. Yeah. I mean, I feel like we always say it. Sinner's average is probably the highest average where Alcharez is peak is the highest peak. So I feel like Alcharez at his best might be the best in the world, but Sinner, man, like he doesn't lose to guys, you know, rank below him. Like Alcharez does once in a while, you know, and then Alcharez is so talented. And Sinner's become such a good server. Like the thing about him used to be, he didn't hit it hard enough. He was a second server. Yeah. Missed first server. Second server's not great. Now he's such a good situational server. Every time LaHechka would get like love 15 or love 30 or how to break point, big serve, doose, big serve out of the situation. You know, that has to be, that has to be some, some body has gotten to him to, well, it, and also told me, you know, if you're 15 30, love, you know, 15 40, whatever, the importance of getting the first serve in. Yeah. You know, to take away, even though it doesn't happen that often, the opportunity of your opponent to be aggressive on the return. OK, well, that's very, very, what amazes me about the days, guys, when you're down 15 30, you want to get your first serve in, right? But you don't want to ace somebody. You want to pound them to the body with a big serve and then get an easy, easy job. Get the short ball, right? Today's guys, they ace you up. They're down 15, the guy serves 2A. Yeah. And I'm just, I'm amazed by that. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. I mean, that's amazing. What do you mean that they can do that? They can do it. Yeah. I know that they try to do it and that they do do it. Right. Both of them. I mean, why, you know, you're down 15 30, and you missed the first serve, you got a second serve. Yeah. And you're down. And you're down. You're really in trouble, right? Yeah. And the guy standing back, he's going to get the ball and play. I think in some situations, they feel like they're big first serves their best chance to win the point. They just know it. So they're aggressive when they're down and they're not aggressive. They're up. Right. And why are you aggressive when you're down? Let's think about panic because everybody plays steady, though. They're nobody. Nobody's going to be playing. They're waiting for you to play. They play you. They value you. They don't try to, you know, they don't hurt you. Right. Now, a guy like center starts standing in when he's up 30, love on the second. Like, I saw him play Fritz. What did he play Fritz in the final of something? Oh, the US Open Cup years ago. Oh, yeah, US Open. He stood back. Two sets to love in a break. And he's standing at four feet behind for Fritz, a second, sir. What the fuck? Yeah, but he's already got in the bag. Yeah, you got him in the bag. I mean, I care. He just-- And he knows he can out rally. Nobody wants to out rally for the rest of them. And that when I find a little boring to be honest with him. I mean, yeah. But I mean, it's also fun to grind a guy down when you're better than him and just watch him. What? And he's watching like-- - We need to be out on the side. - And flick some pain. - Right. - I mean, if that's what you're good at, and that's what you do, my ass. - Yeah, I'm just kidding. - You're up to set two sets in a break. - That's a good point. - Why stop? - Yeah, but it's interesting with, and I'm talking about Alchoraz and Center, the two because they are as we've-- - So far ahead. - So far. - It feels like there's like two tours. There's like those two guys, and then like everyone else is fighting for that third, for us to spot. - Yeah. - It was like Vera made the semis again. Made the semis and Indian well, semis of Miami, playing good tennis, saying-- - He plays that behind the baseless. - He does, but I mean, he even, like coming in, he's trying to get to Netmory, he's trying to be more aggressive. He's saying all the right things. - Service good, he's got an unbelievable back. - Yeah, he's got a great serve, but he plays Alchoraz, Center, and it's just, he even said it in press, he's like, I don't think I can beat him. I don't know how to beat him. It's like, dude, if you start saying that, you don't, but also when you watch him, you're like, he kind of is true, 'cause like, Center gets enough of those big serves and play to eventually get in some service games, and he's handling all his service games and out, you know, rallying him. And it's just like, it's Vera tries to play more aggressive, but he's not used to doing it, and he's not used to coming to Net. So then when he tries it against the best player in the world, you know what I mean, or the second best player in the world or whatever, it's probably not gonna work there for the first time doing it. - And what they do is they, I'm talking about the two best now, they do their game so well that they put so much pressure on the other guys to make exceptional shots. And then what happens when you're going for too much? You go for too much, you miss. - Well like yesterday we were watching LaHechka, and there's a couple times where he would miss on the first ball of the rally. He'd hit a serve and then he'd miss a forehand, love 15, where it's like, dude, your margins of air against a guy like this are so much worse than the last four rounds. Like everyone else you've played so far, you've been able to miss that a little bit more. But now with him, give him love 15 every game, you can't go down 15, 30 every game. - This make him work for. - Yeah, right. - Make him hit winners, don't miss, which is easier said than done, but this is one of those things. - Hey listen, first of all, I mean those two guys, before they even walk out there, they've won 85% of their matches. - Yeah. - You know, the guys go out there, - The mental part of the game. - Yeah, the mental part of their hand. - They know that, listen, these guys are gonna have to play 110% for three and a half hours, and be out of their comfort zone to beat me. - Right. - And she's, I mean what a luxury that is, for the two of them. - I mean, also, if I'm have improved, Alcharez improved his serve. He changed to coming into this year. - He's got a much better serve. - Center finally. - Center too. - He used to miss every first serve, but he was like 50 per person. - He cracks it down. I mean, he's in the 130s all the time. - So those guys both have improved. - So let me step down, let me step down to the next floor, and the guys that are under them, the Shelton's and Fritz's, and the Tjolfo and the area. - Yeah, players like that. So what do they need to do to get into that mix with those guys? Or can't they? - I don't know. - Somehow you gotta hurt center. You can't rally with center. - Can't rally with them. - You gotta rally with them. - So he's taller than you. He's got to be taller than almost 99% of them. - Yeah. So, I mean, just look at center's losses. They're usually like Carlos, like he lost him in Sheik earlier this year. - Right, so he's a huge server. - He's like, you can serve out of your mind and center has a little off day. - Yeah. - You know, he loses to Joker. He loses, you know, those are guys with variety who have do more than one thing. - You'll hurt them. - But you're gonna run away. - But it feels like if you're just gonna do the one thing, you do really good center will beat that. 'Cause center does all that better. - You've got no shot. - Almost the people that's rally. You know what I mean? Like who's Sarah? That's what he is. - That's what I'm saying. Like he does everything 50% or 25% better than you do it. So like you're gonna get exploited at some point. - I mean, man. - He's been better. Like he's been really good this year. - He's been really good this year. - Yeah. He's trying. I mean, I think he's trying a little bit. - He's sort of, - He doesn't come forward that often. - He's comfortable from the back, but you know, it's hard to change a guy who's 30 and you know, pin one in the world and slam. - So you took these, I was watching. - Give me some of your notes. He's got these guys, he got a yellow pad and notes over there. - I've seen Draper before he was any good. And I thought, - You were on the Draper training two years ago. - But he left he served. - Yeah. - And a big forehand. - Yeah. - So left he served pulls him out that he's got the weapon of the forehand, right? So, but he didn't come through yet. Big chances. And I think he got a little, you know, the confidence wasn't there yet. You know, that's one thing we didn't talk about. Like certain guys, when they come up, they close it and Conner's dead. I mean, Borg did. - Can't trust it. - Sam versus me. These guys win the, Federer did, okay? Those guys, not all did. You, when you get these chances and you have that kind of game, you gotta believe in yourself and the good. And it becomes, by losing one or two matches Draper, before he got hurt, he was on his way to being top four or five. And I think it was in Miami or one of them, he had the match and then he lost. I think it was, I don't know who it was two, couple, and I go, Jesus. - It was Madrid, maybe against the finals against Rude. - Yeah, he should have won that match. And that stopped his confidence from growing. And then he was always said, if you win your robe, if you lose, you die. - In a way, right? - Mentally. - Yeah. And so that to me, what hurt, I watched and then he got hurt. And then it's, you know, he may never come back for all I know. - I mean, he's been back. He came back. - He's coming back. - But now there's five more guys though. This all time, this guy, the qualifier. - At Mon. - Big lefty serve, big forehand. By the way, he played the dumbest match. I don't know. - Jesus. - I loved it. I mean, he played second serves and comes in when he's down 30 love. That kind of stuff. - Yeah. - You know, he played a great man. Good match against Tiafo. Tiafo got him six four in the third and the round of 16. - Okay. But I mean, he's got a huge forehand. - He's got a lot of talent. He's got as much talent as Draper. - Yeah. - Okay. - I like him. - So, big personality. - Come on, guy. - Oh no. - So we should talk about that. - Okay, come on, guy. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And I think he could challenge if center's gonna set four feet back. You got the big lefty serve. He gets the back end returning. If he hits out, he could improve and he could start to come to that. - He's got to get better on the back end. I feel like. - Okay. - His forehand is so good. - I'm assuming these guys were returning. - Yeah. - They have to return, you know, at 90% right? - Yeah. - And then you have this spandured land. - Landeluse. - Look like super solid. - Yeah. - Everywhere I saw him. - Interesting to see him, 'cause he doesn't seem like a class expanded, you know, quote unquote, clay quarter. - He's a big guy. - He's hitting it early. - And I think he won, like a junior US open a year or two ago. So a hard court, you know, junior title. - I think he's good. - I think he's coming on big. I think, you know, I think the guy's too old, but he's got a hell of a game. And I don't think, if he had had confidence early, is the, the, the, a, Rander, Nish. - Rander Kinesh. - I watched him, he's like Rander Kinesh. - He's like a old style, he's got the old big serve. - Yeah. - Big shots. - Mm. - Does, and can hurt you, but he seems to lose the big points. - Yeah. - Yeah, he does. - And Vashiro from Monaco, he's from Monaco. - Vashiro is very tall. - He's a solid cousin. - But they're good. - He's interesting to see, 'cause he, you know, popped up one Shanghai out of nowhere. - Yeah, I didn't like him. - So like I'm interested to see the next year while he's able to, you know, accumulate ranking points. Before he has to defend all those points for Shanghai. - Yeah. - So, the Frenchman Phil is very, very, very, very, yeah. - He's fun. - He's got a big game. - He's got a huge game. - Yeah. - And I like that he's an entertainer. You know, I feel like he gets in with the crowd. He plays to the crowd. You know, he's not just, you know, head down, look, you know, with the hat on or whatever. He's, he interacts with everybody and gets you involved. - So if you're actually in that. - Yeah, but so if you'd like watching, remember you've got to watch a little ahead. - Yeah, but you've got Rander Nick, you've got Vashiro and you've got Alvin. - What do you think about Corta? - Like Corta shows his potential. - Classic game, his forehand was always, his weakness, he's improved his forehand. He's got a great, great ball. - Because he has to stay healthy, right? - Great all-around game. I mean, you got a lot of afflip. He's one of the, definitely the new players. How far will he go with the, there's a bunch of guys here. Any one of which, including the guy just got the finals of Miami, that they could really jump up their games if they tried to play differently. - Stay injury free. - Yeah, right. I mean, the Americans I've Paul, I think is getting the most out of his game he can. He was unlucky. I think Tiafo is a unique entity. What a tremendous athlete. I watched him play in Del Rey. I mean, the guys got great back in. I mean, the forehand is his weird shot, but. - So why does it he went? - I don't think he returns consistent. These guys return every ball. These are the guys. - Yeah, you've got to return like, you can't miss a second serve return on a big point, and you can't double fault. And there's two key things you gotta have. If you got a big serve and you can return serve today, you should be in the mix. - Don't give the points away. - You can't give points away. - Make them like Paul gave a couple huge ones away. - Right. - I mean, this guy, Alta, man, when I watch the game, - Admont. - The tremendous amount of points. - Alta, man. - Admont. - Admont. - Well, the thing is hard is when you play the guys, you know are better than you. You realize you have to probably red line to a certain extent, which then makes your air is creeping. You know, so it's hard to do both. You know, it's hard to play completely clean and red line for a two and a half hour match. - So you play with a score, which I never did. - I learned it later, but if you're up, you don't have to look like I have to red line. I'm up. I'm gonna make him make the shot. - Right. - But to get up, you're red lining. Maybe, you know, I mean, you're trying to serve. - I don't think so. - You're trying to serve huge. - This guy was right there with center. just missed every, he missed stupid balls on his serve. The guy hits a return, he hits the fore end and the net for no reason. - Yeah, I mean, yeah. If you didn't do that and you press center, it could have been a different match. It was still four and four. - Yeah, yeah, I wasn't a blowout. And it looked like they're for a minute, maybe he could win that second set. You know, like in that four-all game, I think he didn't get up like love 15 or something, I can't remember. But yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things where these two guys are the two best players, right, it separated themselves. And there's a bunch of guys chasing behind and a lot of young guys kind of coming up who haven't necessarily shown, hey, we can't be this, you know, got Fonseca, whoever one wants to anoint. The next guy, but he played Alcaraz and Indian Wells, played center in Miami. So it was a good test for everyone to kind of see, like where is he actually? Lost them both in straights, I think. And then, but they were good matches. Like they were competitive and they were moments, but you're seeing that there's a difference there still. He needs a couple more years, you know, to give him time, you know, it's only 19 years old or something. Yeah, but Alcaraz, what's he, 22? 23, yeah. Alcaraz is like a real champion, he just came up and he's just-- But center didn't, center took a little while. He's, well, how old's he now? 24 or something, I guess. But I mean, like-- But he wasn't dominant until these last two and a half, three years. But he's 23, 24, so he's not 30. No, but he wasn't dominant in 19 as well, so-- Yeah, okay. Seems like these kids today, if they're not breaking in, I'm talking about the men's now. I think the women are even younger. You know, if you're not, you know, setting your standard at 18, 19, 19, 20 years old, then somebody's going to pass you. Right. Because that's what it's going to take to-- because you're getting so many of these young kids coming up. This is what's-- Yeah. Draper, all he had to do was win that-- I know. --not get hurt and win that tournament. But you wouldn't be worried. Now, every one of these guys can give him a mat. Yeah. But I mean, there's the thing that's tough with tennis is it costs so much money to play it that if you're not showing good results by the time you're 19, 20, 21, you might give up on it. But as you see guys like Basharrow, he's in his mid-20s. Atmons in his mid-20s. So there are opportunities, but are you going to stick with it for those eight, four years? Yeah, like four or five years where you're not making the money. And then you know-- To be a really great athlete, you've got to have no other alternatives. No other options. And I'm a solid in having alternatives. You know. You didn't have any alternatives. My dad didn't have any alternatives. So it's got to be your way out of wherever you are. Macros' only rich kid ever was good. I'm teasing. It's all right, John. Oh, I thought you were talking about Patrick. Well, you know, I mean, so these guys have had to come up the hard way. And now that they're on the verge, and I like to see them try to do something a little different, try and study the game, be students of the game. But it seems like there's so many more opportunities outside of this country now. I mean, I know. But I mean, I look at the public courts and the high school courts and the colleges and things. And they're just not taken. They become pickleball courts. Europe, they love-- they have these teams, and these clubs. And it's a much more-- Every opportunity. And they're going out together. They have dinners. And it's a great thing to be on a team in Barcelona or in some little town. Yeah. So like Real Madrid, drop as a team. I'm playing for the six-- Yeah. I'm playing juniors for the Sevilla Club. We're playing against the others. And they love it. And they breed these kids up. And they look at the Spanish players. There's so many of them. I mean, Italy. But we don't have that here. We have the reverse. We have you drop your kid off. He's getting the shit sheet out of him. And nobody's watching. And it's like they're collecting costs of fortune. And-- Right. It's like a money-making thing. It's a money-making thing, like an actual trend to turn out talent. Where it's-- And that's right. The East Coast, you can't do it without paying a fortune. So the only place is Florida. And if you're in California, you're playing on hard courts. So you're never going to get the Clay Court game. So you've got Florida and that's yet. And still, it's cost of fortune down there, because they've got every pro out to grab. They don't have the atmosphere of making it fun, too. It's miserable for most to get. I will say Guy Fritz made it fun for his son and his group of guys on his court, because they had a camaraderie. They had video game championships, they had tennis, they go to the B. They did a lot of stuff that made it fun. Like when we did it at Beverly Hills tennis club, there was so many-- every good player in the world was coming through. My dad was coaching. He had lots of-- and we hung out together. We did stuff together. And we went places together. Everybody today is like the parents are like-- Yeah, that's it. Mr. Popular. Yeah, but there's 13 Americans in the top 100. I know there. So it's like in one way we're probably the most in the top 100 of any country. It's got to be. So like, we have a lot of guys in there. But they're not winning grand slam. So they're not winning slam. Right. Well, I guess in Florida, because of the Clay Courts, we should be able to develop a player. None of these players are from Florida. Paul's from California. Fritz is from California, right? To have him watching DC. Washington DC. Who's the good-- Michael Siner, where he's from? Michael Sins-- I think he's from Cali, I think so. Oh, the team is good player. He's-- He's from California. Oh, learner, TN. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen him play? He's coached by a champ. He coaches him. He's like the guy who's showing kind of some potential. He feels like-- He doesn't have the huge, you know, quote unquote, weapon, like with a big serve, because he's not 6'4", but-- He's more consistent. He grinds, and he hits-- You know, he's got potential. He's fun to watch. Yeah, I like him. Yeah, I feel like his game, I'm sorry, I forgot about him. We have one dog. We have a couple other Americans. I guess Shelton. Shelton or Love of Shelton? You know, monster game. I mean, I-- So there's a lot of guys, but you're right. They're just not able to win the majors. But like, you stand back, and you see 13 guys in the top 100. Yeah, that's great. I get excited in this. I guess you're right. It's been a while. Yeah, I just see that-- At least they're in there taking shots. But you know, Tennis doesn't seem like people enjoy it as much as they do in Europe. Yeah, but I think you're right. The club atmosphere adds something to it, where it creates a family style environment. And then everyone's rooting for each other. You're watching other sports and playing other stuff. But kind of interesting. There hadn't been a sunshine double since 2016, which I think was like Azarenca and Jokovic, where you win Indian Wells in Miami. And then this year, center, Sabi. You're in Savi. Sabi wins. We haven't gotten into Savi. We've got to talk a little about that. And then the women's doubles, Cindy Akova and Taylor Townsend took on the crown. They also won Indian Wells. Oh, wow. So three out of the four chances to do it succeeded. So that was pretty cool. But-- Yeah, that's an easy task. Because now, they're what, 10 days? 10 or 11 days. Yeah, they're like almost two weeks. And it's almost like a grand slam. They're just a level below the-- Right, six matches. I think you've got to win instead of seven. And-- but it's still two out of three. So that's the difference between those tournaments in the grand slam. But you're going from California Palm Strings, which is a totally different atmosphere than Miami. And the courts are different. Like everyone, it's always the gritty courts of Indian Wells. And then they're supposed to be a little faster, obviously, in Miami. And the desert altitude. A lot of people don't remember that in field that. You're saying the air is different in the desert than in a parking lot in Miami-Dade County? You admit-- You admit it in a-- I just backed myself into a corner. No, but it's a little tougher to play. And I always enjoy playing in Palm Springs. And because I thought every once in a while, if you hit the right kind of shot, it's going to give you a reward. Because it's passing through the air. It's like Las Vegas is the same. A little quicker. A little quicker. How much of that is real? And how much of that is if you believe it is real? Vegas is real. That's fantastic. Yeah, but the grid is faster. For sure. There's a lot of little more altitude there. Big time. Yeah, but go into Palm Springs. You might be right. It's not that high. But if it's in your head, that if I hit this right, I want to get a reward from that. And it is desert, like so. But it gets in your head. And I used to be pretty good at letting things-- your dad would tell me things to get in my head. And I used to let them settle there where I could go back and say, I'm good in this altitude. Or I'm going to get a break here with this. And be able to give my way. Because my way to do it is dad would say, make sure you're leaning into it. And don't be afraid to hit it because it's going to give you little help. That would set in my subconscious. So it would give me an opportunity. I mean, I wasn't a great thinker. That was a reaction player. And if I could recall something like that, and I don't think a lot of players-- we're talking about court-sensitant, all that. I think a lot of players would think about things like that. So yeah, you know-- Well, it seems like-- like you said, you didn't want too much. It seems like a lot of players today almost get overloaded. Like you'll-- because they put the microphone right below the court's booth. Oh, really? It's sometimes you'll hear them. And some people, they're constantly-- like after every point, they're telling them what to do next, what they did wrong. They serve here to this. Let's go put one foot in front of the other. Like even dumb stuff. Yeah, they did. Yeah, eventually that has to look at you and be like, just shut the fuck up. I'm glad they didn't have a microphone, below your dad when he's talking to you. So it's like, if you don't-- haven't they been talking about that in the locker room? For the last three hours. So it's like, we're to hear him come out and have to keep reiterating it and reinforcing it. or it's like, man, like, like these are grown adults, like I don't know, maybe some people would help, so I feel like it would hurt me. - It'd be too much, I'd be like, I look, once in a while, give me a nugget, but like let me get out here and try and figure it out. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I would, I would, I think you'd do more of it. - I would be playing and I'd look up, you know, just sitting there, you know, whatever, look around, look up to, you know, my mom at the beginning, you know, when she was coaching me to look up at your dad and they're looking me going, what? (laughing) What can I do for you now? - What do you want us to do? - Yeah. (laughing) - So you can't do anything for you. You better get down to work, buddy. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Well, let's talk a little bit about Sabi. - Yeah. - Give her a little love. - Yeah, it got to, I mean, - Yeah, great serve. - Yeah. - You know, I keep going back and I know I say, I probably overstate this better, but you picked her five years ago. - I mean, she was a pretty good one to pick. You could kind of see it. - If anything was, she was a doubles player first. She made it to number one in the world in doubles. - Oh, really? - Like one of the slammer two, I think, so like that part was good for her. I think it helped her learn, decent at the net, some different with angles and coming forward a little bit after her big shots. But like, we talked about last year, even though she was still number one in the most consistent, she lost some matches. Like we talked about in Australia with keys, Coco at the French, Coco played that great match, came back, Luzanna and some Ova Wimbledon, lost some big matches, and then loses from up a break to start the year in Australia against Rebokina. - Oh yeah. - You know, so then to see her be able to come back and win two huge tournaments in a row. And she'd won Miami before, but never had won Indian Wells. I thought that was a good side for her and it just continues to show that she's the best player in the world, most consistent. - Yeah, confidence. - And she's confidence. - And she's part of, I think she's the two best rivalries in women's tennis. Her versus Rebokina is like, can't miss tennis. - Yeah, that's good, dude. - They just thumped the ball. - I love that match. - But then they're kind of polar opposites, personality wise, which is fun. And then her versus Coco. I mean, they played another good three-set match in a final like, - I like Coco's athleticism, but I think she's a better player. - Yeah, yeah. - But I mean, their matches are great. The US Open won Coco beat her, came back. You know, like they have these great back and forth matches 'cause the styles are so different. - Rebokina, they're similar with Coco. They're so different. So I would just, you know. - I have to say this. I mean, we're sitting here and, you know, we're not, you know, saying, criticizing. - Yeah. - You know, I mean, you know, everybody loses matches. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We're just talking about that. - Yeah, we're talking and, you know, we're saying, you know, that, you know, she lost a couple of finals. Everybody does. - Yeah. - But for me, - I think she would say the same thing. - Yeah, but for me, it's the way they come back from that. - Right, that's huge. - She's the rebound. You know, whether as guys, you know, men or women, you know, the way they, you know, they take a loss, you get kicked in the teeth. - Yeah. - You know, it's like Tyson said, you know, everybody's got a plan until you get punched in the face, right? (laughing) But it's how you come back from that. And, you know, whether you're Joke of it, or you're Nadal, or you're Samperous, or you're Borg, or you're Gensal, or whoever. - Yeah. - You know, it's the way you pick yourself up and say, you know, because winning breeds confidence. - Right. - You know, so, and so what does losing do? Especially in a final. - Yeah, you know, it's like, it hurts. - But she's always in the semis, always in the finals. - Yeah, but it's still, yeah. - She had some losses that were brutal. - She owned the match. - Yeah. - She caused the loss, might hurt herself. - And so, to come back from that is huge. - But I mean, I'm just saying, she doesn't lose too many second rounds. - No, no, no, no, she's talking. - She's always in the semis, always in the finals. - No, no, no, no. - When she's losing the tough match, it's a semi-arif final. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So it's like. - And that's when you're the most vulnerable is in the first couple rounds. - Yeah, yeah. - Right. - You know, you go out, you just come from Palm Springs. Now you go down to Florida, you're in a little-- - Celebrate a little. - Celebrate a little different atmosphere. - Yeah, yeah. - You know, you don't feel like playing as much as maybe. - Right, get yourself up and-- - You have to do it all again. - Do it all again, that's right. - And then get some maniac. 'Cause if you're seated one or two, they're just hitting out on every ball on you. - Right, they have nothing to lose. - Yeah. - Yeah, but what a position to be in. I used to love that. They know that everybody, would rather beat me the win the tournament. - And they play their best against you. - Yeah, yeah. That's the way I feel, you know, with center and Alcaraz and that's the way I deal with-- - Savvy. - Yeah. - You know, they'd rather go out and beat her and then go on celebrate for the rest of the world. - Right, right. - But that's a pretty good position. But man, is she on a roll now? I mean, she takes her losses and she gets back in the saddle and says, you know, I can get over that and comes out in place like it. - Yeah, interested to see now that we moved to the clay. And he's got Charleston now and then Monty Carlo comes next week. - Is everybody playing Monty Carlo? - The men. I think most of the men are. I don't know if Joke of it just said yes or no. But I'm sure all the other big names will be there. So it'll be, I'm interested to see Cassabee. We know it's good on clay. Ega's really good on clay. - Ega fired her coach, Winfaceette. I thought that was kind of interesting. You know, he signs on a year or so ago. They win Wimbledon together, which is the slam he think maybe she wouldn't win. - Right. - With the surface. - And then, you know, - Yeah, but for style she wanted him was crazy. - Yeah, I mean, lots like four games, the last two rounds or something. - All right, so the final, who was that? - Anna Simova. - Anna Simova. - Oh my God, that was horrible to see. - I mean, I was taught, I didn't want her to lose. - But then she came back beater at the US Open. Thank God. - Yeah, that's right. - So, but yeah, I just interested to see how rebokking it does on the clay. You know, because I mean, she's decent on the clay, good on the clay, obviously, but I just want to see how she's able to keep this momentum going. - Okay, Joke of it going. Okay, so you're gonna go play clay now? - I mean, yeah, I don't know. - You gotta play Cedar and Joke and Alcorrest. - I wonder that too. - So, what's he thinking? I won all these terms, I won everything. - Yeah. - So many times, what do you think his goal is? Why would he play the French, for instance? - I don't know. - I mean, I thought I understand playing the major. - I see him playing the major to try and get to 25. Maybe he wants to get to 25. - He wins the, if he'd kill himself trying to win the French. I mean, that's so much, so much, uh, but I mean, it's, you know, it's like a habit thing. It's, if you only got four chances a year, you're not gonna piss one away when he's got a nine. - You're just staying so shaped. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't know why he's still doing it either. - He's like, maybe he just loves doing it. He just wants to get the best, you know, he knows once he quits, he's done. So, like, why not keep going until he-- - That's a tough thing to face too, by the way. - Yeah, you know, that you've done so much. - And he still can beat everybody. He just beats Sinner. - 15 sets. - Yeah. - You know, and the seminars of a major. - He's a history of that term. - He's still being Sinner. - No one is playing in the world, right? - Yeah. - He's a 30 much. - Yeah. - You would take him against that pretty much everyone else in the one match. - Yeah. - I've seen him when he said the worst draws in the world. And, you know, the time he was gonna go into the Grand Slam. - Yeah. - He played the first round as Countryman Trotsky or Toronto. - Yeah, Victor Trotsky. - Three, uh, five sets in 110 and 115. - Yeah. - First round. He played so many tough matches by the time he got to Medev and the final. - Yeah. - He was gone. - Yeah, nothing left. He said he got nervous. I thought he was just spent, I think, had anything. - Right. - But, anyways. - Yeah. - I don't know. - I just think it's one of those things where you don't question you, you just kind of enjoy getting to see him before he retires a few more times. We'll get to watch him. - Yeah. - And then. - Listen, anybody who still wants to walk out on a court in front of 25,000 people knowing what your record has been over the course of the year. The years. And know that you are a little bit older and the effort that it takes, you know, to want to go out there and perform in front of that live audience plus hundreds of millions of more on TV. - Right. - You know, and like I said, the effort that it takes to be able to do that, I mean, you just. - Tip the hat. - Tip the hat. - Yeah, to him, I gotta say it's amazing. - Yeah. - Nobody really wants to get so many credit for it. - No. - I don't know what that is either. - Yeah. - But I mean, to get to the finals of Australia and beat a guy. - Yeah. - And he won a set off. - He's still at the first two centers. - And the first two centers. - And won a set off Carlos. - And that match was a great match. He just didn't have enough. - He just ran out of gas. - Carlos played. - Carlos played out of his mind too. - Well, don't you think too, that those moments when he walks on the court, that's fine. It's the stuff away that becomes harder. The like training, you know, like leaving the family, everything else away from the court becomes harder as you get old training. - Right. - You know, just how much to go and to keep your game and your conditioning and your mental attitude and everything up there without hurting yourself. And you know, so that when you do go and play the matches that you're ready to play, that's the secret. You know, that was the tough thing for me at the end. That's why I said I'm done. You know, because I wanted to push myself and I said, I know if I stay out of it. - You're gonna get hurt. - Yeah. - You get hurt. - He's served a joke of serving so well in Australia. He serves so well, I'm obsessed. 'Cause usually he doesn't serve that well. And that gives those guys a big open. He has to serve very well to win. So his age-- - He became a very good spot server. He has to serve great and be moving great to win beat two guys. - Yeah. - That takes so much out of you to have to do. - The thing is if it wasn't Alcharez Wade and Forum, he probably wins Australia. If it's just like it's Verra, Wade and Forum or something, he probably eats them. Or we are a medvedad or something. Or some other guy of that level. - But he had a default into the semi-denier. - Yeah, I think somebody had a rest. He had a win. He got lucky with a match for somebody quit. He's like a Musetti. Musetti was up to sets on him. - Right. - And then he got a default. - Yeah, like something like that. - A walkover or something. - Yeah. - But we always set that. - Sometimes it takes the break. - That's what we always say too, is like he can't go four or five or have tough matches early in a slam if he wants to have a win. What you know what he needs in the tank left to beat guy like center of Algross. Yeah, so that's a tough back to back Those guys I mean yeah, I don't think anyone's doing it. Yeah, yeah, listen Yeah, you know everybody's very quick on telling athletes when to retire You know he's just he's not what he's not what he used to be you know Oh remember when he played like that, you know Listen, there's a lot of politicians that I like to sell a Sure, dude, you know, you know, yeah a lot of people that I'd like to say a He's in your time fast. Yeah, so From my standpoint, you know, you know, he can play as long as he wants he's he's earned that right right You know to leave when he wants to yeah if he was losing second rounds or first rounds And then you could maybe start to like wonder why but it's like the last time you saw him He was be beat center and then went forward with Algross and a major fun. That's so bad Oh, it's beyond all the other guys everyone is touting wouldn't be able to do any of that So it's like leave him alone, you know, I've let him do what he wants and enjoy him while he's here But I will say no nobody it seems to me and this is from afar Nobody has taken care of themselves Better than him. Yeah, I mean he does everything you know to prepare himself to play his matches you know On the court and off the court Yeah, and you know and eventually that probably wears on you too. Yeah, you know, he's got a family and he's got outside interest Stuff he wants to do probably that he's put off because you know 38 whatever years old, you know, sometimes you like to you know take your family on a vacation for two weeks You know get and now wait a minute. I'm away from tennis. I'm sliding my tennis. Oh my god I've been back to that now what you're sliding your family beating yourself up on the other side going back and forth And what kind of training do you do? Do you know what center and alcharez do these guys do weights and I'm sure they do some stuff I mean, you know, I don't do How much they do because I he never want to put on too much bulk weight it feels like intense I do you're stupid. Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, I mean, I'm sure they do some weights They do a lot of stretching probably a lot of rubber band work You know they put resistance and then having your legs to be able to run Down these balls all every day this kind of matches. You got to you got to do some weight leg Squatting sprinting on your legs. Yeah, I got to do some leg work to be able to get into my drives that I hit 220 yards after the 45 minute session you guys played earlier Gone for a while hard true hard true. It's the pubs for wonder when you guys are coming back It has we hit about 20 balls of point. Yeah, that's bad for us. That's good But it's been it's been good better and you know to you know to see the change that You know these two tournaments have brought about with the players and and now all of a sudden now to go to the clay and then from the clay into the grass I mean, it's a you know, it's a loop every year or works, but I mean you know new names come up old names go away Yeah, you know, so it's gonna be it's gonna be fun to see because once we get into the stretch cheese over Over what three months we've got the French we got Wimbledon in the US open coming up starts to go quick once you get to me so It's gonna be fun and and I'll be tuning in because I get the watch what you send to us. Yeah, let's go I get to get this week off and then back in from on the ground on this one I'm watching and the career saying Brett Conner's our producer Slip to my 20 for that. Are you signing autographs? No, no But it's fun working with those guys. Yeah, you know, it's fun Yeah, career is so great and he's very involved in the prep where like you know He wants to work on putting the right graphics and the information he gives it to us early and he's involved in the hawk eyes Which are all the cool like simulation graphics that we do so it's fun working with somebody who takes it, you know So serious and just a great job. Yeah, it's a good crew all the way around definitely good. Yeah, I worked with Andrea Petkovich The former German player got to work with her on my shift. She's really funny and really good Mark Petchi a little breadhaber in there and they got chanda Rubin So it's fun working with all those with all those guys and girls and and bringing the tennis to everybody. It's great All right, well, I've had fun. Yeah, Spencer got to get on the road. Where are you going me? I'm going back to Los Angeles down to Del Mar california Okay, going to the racetrack. 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