Simone Ashley: “Self-Belief Changed My Life”

We were just together for dinner last night. So this was very weird. We were at the Bangkok supper club. You are one of my dearest friends. You're like a sister to me. We had a great time, but you've become a New York girl now. Yeah. So tell me about what are the three top recommendations in New York that I shouldn't miss this week and people shouldn't miss. Bangkok supper club was a vibe. It was great. We were going to go to Friendschat, but I shifted because I wanted something else. But Friendschat is great. You landed from London last night. Why did you shift away from Friendschat? I was feeling summery kind of vibes. I just really wanted chicken and rice. And I think it's got good veggie options as well. So I got recommended to go there before and all of my friends that have gone there have been like, it's one of the best. Third place. I can't think of the top of my head. There's so many. There's a two good ones to start. Last night was good, so your recommendations are good. Hey, it's Jay. I don't know what your day's been like, but I was just thinking about you for a minute. And I hope you're being a little patient with yourself because you deserve it. And yeah, I'll come to you soon. Simone Ashley, welcome to on purpose. Hi, thank you for having me. What's the biggest difference in your life over the last five years? Like if you look to your life where you were five years ago, personally, professionally, and you looked at it today, what are the biggest shifts you're noticing? So five years ago was 2021. We were just coming out of lockdown. And I was really worried because like many people lockdown left me in a place where especially as an artist, I didn't know when the next next paycheck was coming in and what was going to be happening with my work. So I was kind of smiling through it. And I remember January 2021, I was sat in my friends' apartment. And I was like, I just need one thing, like whether it's a commercial, I'll do a toothpaste commercial to do anything. And then I got a call for Bridgeton literally the next week. And I was filming a little mermaid as well at the time. And yeah, then life completely changed. Then I was filming the whole of 2021, Bridgeton. We filmed for like 10 months because we were filming during COVID. Personally, over the past five years, I've definitely grown so much. And I'm really proud of that. I think I've really taken up on reflecting on myself and trying to grow into the woman I want to be. My community of friends has just, that's one of the best things that's happened. Back in 2021, if you told me, these are all the people that are going to be in your life. I would just be so happy. Especially in my community of girlfriends since moving to New York, it's just expanded. And that's something that's been so important to me. My relationship with my family has really grown and deepened. And I think that for me, the more maturing I've experienced, the deeper my relationship my family's got. Yeah. So personally, I would say that and professionally, it's been wave, so many exciting things. But I would say the past few years, foot's been full on the gas, yeah, on the floor and just going with it. Now I'm just staring at teeth going, you should do a two-faced commercial. Oh, really? Have you done one yet? Is it coming? That's all I'm thinking about now. Like, I completely ignore my. Oh, man, I bust it. Everything you said since then. I know you've talked about this before, but talking about getting that call for Bridgeton. When you're in this moment in your life that feels like, I don't know where my next paycheck's coming. I don't know what comes next. Hopefully I get a two-faced commercial. But then you get this incredible opportunity, which did you know then how big it was going to be? I didn't. I remember because the first season came out at Christmas, so December 2020. It was very visible and everyone was talking about it. And you know, Gregor Jean-Pais, Phoebe Dilliver, they were everywhere. Even though I'd done sex education, I'd never really been at the forefront with the lead of a show like that. And I didn't, I didn't understand it at all. I was just so excited about the character and the storyline and that I had to go and do horse riding training and all these things. So it was only when it came out that I really started to understand how it was going to change my life, I guess. And to be honest, only lately the past two years or a year I've really been able to have a clear understanding of all of those things. I've always been someone that's first and foremost drawn to the craft. And everything else is just a bonus. And now I think the more experience I've got and the more variety my ambition has, I want to do loads of other different things. Now I'm really understanding and it's fun to like learn and explore different different factors of what the work can do. What was it like growing up Indian wanting to be an actress? It was a question that never entered my head, really. I never had this narrative growing up that, oh, I'm an Indian girl. Even though, you know, my mum practiced Hinduism when I was growing up and my family in California had a really intimate relationship with their culture and their religion. I just saw what was in front of me in my life. And you know, me and my brother, we grew up westernised in England, between England and California. And it was something that never really entered my head. I always loved the colour of my skin. I always had this confidence in myself. And I think anything that felt like a hindrance wasn't because of my culture and my heritage. It was maybe I was a bit of an awkward teenager or I didn't, you know, I wasn't growing into myself, like the other peers around me were. So I guess to answer your question, I just, I felt like any other young teenager. Yeah, I can relate to that actually when I was growing up in London. I felt like I never saw, I was bullied for the colour of my skin growing up in primary school. But I didn't really understand why. Like it didn't make sense to me. And so I don't think I internalised it that much. And I felt like I grew up believing I could do anything or be anything. And I never saw my colour of skin as an advantage or a disadvantage. It just felt like who I was. And even though I was bullied for it, or even though sometimes it felt like I was experiencing racism, it became something that I was so confident and comfortable about. And so as I'm listening to you say that, I'm like, how did you get that balance right? How did you feel confident and comfortable in your skin and happy about the colour of your skin? And at the same time, not make it your full picture of that makes sense. I guess my personality or things that I was drawn to, I spent so many summers in California. So my skin was always exposed. I was always wearing some addresses or shorts or, you know, clothes you would wear in California and in the summer in London. And I loved it. I never wanted to shy away from that. I think brown skinned so beautiful. And I think many people do feel that way. That was something that took my headspace more than anything else. And yeah, similar to you, I did get bullied sometimes. But no one could ever say or do anything that made me believe that what they were saying was true. And I think my mum's so beautiful as well. She really is. And I know it's a biased thing to say that. Everyone thinks I'm on beautiful, but my mum really is just stunning. And that was a great example for me looking up to her. Just, you know, she's got much lighter skin than me. But I still had a great example of just loving the colour of my skin. This episode is presented by State Farm. 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Last night when we were at dinner and we were leaving, when we walked out, like all these girls came up to you and they were like, Simone, like thank you so much for what you've done for representation and the way you carry our culture and you inspire us and I was thinking, what does that make you feel now when you think about it from little Simone who wants to be an actress who's growing up in admiration of her mother who's looking at life and going, I want to be this thing. I don't know how it's going to happen, when it's going to happen. And now you have all these young women coming up to you and saying, Simone, you did it. You're showing me what's possible. What does that feel like? It's amazing. I really want to just spread goods in the world and especially women help women feel like their dreams are possible. And if I can do that with my work, then I feel so satisfied and so happy. So when girls and women stop me and say things like that, I feel really proud. The narrative I had as a kid was slightly naive. I was just like so unaware of any inhibitions that maybe the rest of the world could have put on me and the career that I was choosing to do. And yeah, now I'm a grown woman. It took me a few years, but I do understand what I represent. And I think I. I can articulate more now what I want to do with that and how I want to hold myself. And I think I just want to shed positivity on it. And also just have it as an open door. I don't think the color of your skin, your culture or heritage should ever be something that corners you or stereotypes, you put you in a box. So I try to make choices in the work that I do that helps elevate that belief. And yeah, I also celebrate it. I don't really overthink it too much. I think I just follow my heart with it. And I think it just comes from, first and foremost, as a kid, I just always loved the color of my skin. It wasn't anything that I second-guessed at all. I love hearing that. I hope that everyone who's listening to that who's been feeling a bit uneasy or feeling a bit uncertain about how they fit in and where they are, even hearing you being an awkward teenager, tell me a bit about that actually. Like, you can't see it Simone, we don't believe you. So I'm awkward. You've seen me do awkward before. Yeah, I've seen you awkward before. Fair, fair, fair, fair. Totally. You're still awkward. Yeah. Like, we went bowling. Yes, we did. Like, I'm on the go and I was so like overthinkable. That wasn't the worst game of bowling I've done in my entire life. I did pretty well. You actually did really well. Yeah. You actually did pretty well. I was impressed. That was the worst game and I was so embarrassed because I was with all your friends and I was like, this is the worst. How am I having my worst game of bowling when I'm out with all your friends? It's good to humble you. Yeah, that's exactly how it felt. I was like, this is humiliating. I was awkward then and then the moment we went, I was like, oh, this is fine. I overthink. When I was a kid, I had certain experiences growing up in my household that made me want to escape reality, I guess. I also went to an all-girl school, which is just dynamite for any kid, any young girl growing up. That's the deep end. You're surrounded by young girls that maybe come from very privileged families or have older sisters that they can borrow clothes and make up from or girls that are already dating boys and it's like a minefield of all these different milestones that you reach as a teenager. I think I was just so awkward and I was really quiet as well and very observant. I still am like that. I truly believe anyone in this world can be a superstar. When I say superstar, the most confident, popular, for a bad word, or the best, shiny version of themselves, if they're within the right agency of people. I think I was just trying to not in the right environment for me and actually leaving home young and starting to find my community. I found myself in places where I could be myself even more. Yeah, I think I was just awkward because instead of being a teenager sometimes, I actually was just constantly thinking about my career and what I wanted to do. Maybe that was just unrelatable for certain people. Do you let back at that now as a strength? Or do you feel like that made you miss out on being a teenager? I think in some ways it was maybe slightly isolating. It made me who I am now and I wouldn't say I'm missing out on anything because I have such a great community of friends and experiences now. I'm still friends with some of the girls that I grew up with, but having that wolf pack that you go through prom and university and all those things with, I never really had that because of the career that I chose because it just took me so far and wide at a pace that was so maybe slightly unrelatable. I think I would regret it if I felt like I was lacking something now. It's interesting hearing that you're an all-girl school because I went to an all-boy school. I'd look back at it and go, "I felt like there was no pressure on us because we didn't have girls to impress." I can imagine if we had girls at school, we'd all have dressed differently, we would have acted differently, we would have put in more effort, but all of us would just kind of come to school not caring about anything. There was almost like a freedom in it now when I look back to some degree. I'm sure there's all sorts of studies on whether boy schools and girl schools are good for people or development. I don't know enough about it. What I do know for me is at least it felt like there was no pressure and there was freedom. There was something nice about that at that age especially, but I wanted to go back a little bit because you were talking about growing up in even the home environment, not always feeling as comfortable. I wonder, one of my favorite questions to ask people is like, what's a childhood memory you have that you feel is defined who you are today? My mum has really strong values and she would always tell me stories that taught me those values and one particularly was about not being materialistic. My mum grew up in a small village in the south of India where it didn't matter what you wore or what you did, how much money you earned. Your currency was your kindness and just who you were as a person. I think my mum very much instilled that in me and she always raised me and my brother to just have good values, to share, to not be materialistic. There was a story she once told me about when she was a kid and I think me and my brother were fighting over something like a piece of cake. It was definitely some form of food. She was like, you know, when you eat and you followed it, it's not food anymore, it's just mulch, it's nothing. So what are you guys fighting over? I'll never forget that. It just made me grow up not feeling possessive or precious over things. This isn't something that I think she meant to instill in me but I think it eventually evolved into me not being envious of people, especially my friends. I think it's really hard to have friendships with people of your feeling envious of them. And I've experienced that voice like reverse and it's hard. Envy isn't really something I've ever had much experience with. It's not something that has like been in my mind too much. You're so right that envy destroys friendships. It does. I've had both the experiences of it or even seen it where people have said they lost a friend because they admitted they were envious or they've lost a friend because they know their friend was envious of them. Whether it was about their relationship, their money, their career, whatever it may be. What for you defines a good friend? Someone that's honest with you and even if it's slightly uncomfortable to be honest about something, I think the term friend is an ongoing heartbeat no matter what happens above that. For me personally, my friends are there for me even if I'm having a really hard time and I can be so annoying and I don't stop talking about something or I just can't seem to get through something or I'm just not the best version of myself, but they're still there and they're supportive and they accept me even at my worst. When I have my wins and my moments of celebration where I want to bring everyone together, they show up and they're there. I think a good friend is, I guess it's the polar opposite of envy. It's just wanting your friends to win, wanting them to just have their flowers and have their moment that they've deserved, whether it's finding true love or a career milestone or what something small, something big, whatever it is. Feeling such pride, joy and love for a friend when they achieve all of that, that's real friendship to me. It feels like you were saying that since moving to New York, your group of girlfriends feels really like that. Yeah, I think I've found in New York particularly, girls, my friends, we're all in similar age groups like late 20s, early 30s and it is kind of that sex in the city narrative of like trying to find love in a city like this and it's always the conversation we talk about whenever we're all hanging out or my girlfriends, we encourage each other to be fit and healthy to go out and have fun, go and take a risk to live our best lives in the city. And that's been so amazing for me, especially coming from like an all-girls school where I felt so awkward and out of place and that quite unrelatable. I think growing up is learning how to relate to people and finding universal languages between people no matter how different you are or how different your backgrounds are and I think especially for women to just annihilate competition and to just support each other and it's all like, oh, I feel the same way or that's happened to me before or I feel insecure about these things or awkward about these things and it's just so it's quite cathartic. How do you find those people? How do you get there? Because I feel like people listen to you right now. They're like, that's what I want. Like I really wish I had that but I'm surrounded by people who are envier so shoot down my dreams or don't make me feel like I can achieve anything like, how do you attract people like that? How do you find those people in such a big city like this? I don't think there's any algorithm to it. I was in London for like 10 years and I still go back on and off for work and to see family and friends. I had many years to really grow quite a small but strong group of friends who are literally like my siblings. I met them whether it was through work or through partners I dated or whatever it might be. In New York when I moved here last year I knew nobody and I was starting to film Double Weas Prada and I got very lucky actually. I got introduced to one of my friends, her name Savannah and she's just like a firework. She knows so many people, she's very social and she literally took my hand and was like, we're going to go out like every other night whether it's just for a dinner or you're going to come and meet this person. And we're going to go to this concert and you just got to come and meet people. And I just got lucky and fell into a group of people that really felt like open-armed community. It was something I manifested. I just said yes to everything. I tried to bring people together or if I was going out to the gym or something I'd invite my girlfriends to go. And I think it's just if you put it out there, then you'll find it. But that took me some time to get to that place as a person, to be so confident within myself and to just go out there and throw myself out there. I guess anyone listening who is feeling lonely or wanting to make more friends or wanting to build that community, I feel lonely all the time. But I think there's a difference between loneliness and being alone. Sometimes I got to get out of my head and be like, I'm not lonely, just because I'm traveling on my own or like whatever. And actually practicing gratitude of, oh, I do have so many people that love and care about me. Social media is the worst. Social media will make you feel like the loneliest person. There's a culture of wanting to show that you're busy, you're surrounded by people, loved, you're with a crowd of cool people, having this awesome evening and everything is quite perfect. And social media is the worst for that because I might be on my couch after like a 14, 16 hour day exhausted. And maybe none of my friends are out and about or whatever I didn't get invited to something and you see something on social media. And it makes you feel like a loser. But it's not real, matured enough to know that it's not real and it's nothing to take personally if that makes sense. No, that's huge. It's huge. And I love hearing you say that because I'm sure people look at your life and think, I wish I had that and I wish I could do that. And she's living in New York. And then you start to realize that it is all in our tough in our head and half on social media where we have completely confused being alone and being lonely. And I was remembering when I was doing some research on that, there's this amazing right and aimed Paul Tillich and he wrote about how there's a difference between being in solitude and being lonely. And he was like, it's really interesting in the English language. We always say I'm alone. We never say I'm in solitude and solitude is the strength of being alone, solitude is the joy of being alone and being alone is the pain of being alone or the stress of being alone. And he said, we just don't use that word. And so we just think alone means lonely. Yeah. And therefore lonely means sad, depressed, disconnected away from everyone else. And I think that reframe that you just put out for people is really important. And like you said, you just finished a long work day or a work week and you've gone on social media and you see everyone having a great time. Of course you're going to feel. Yeah. And everyone's only posting the best moments of the week. No one's going up there and going, I'm alone today, you know, or some people are, but you're not seeing it as much. I think it's so like friendships and adult friendships seems to be such a big theme in the world right now, whether I'm reading a sub stack, whether I'm on TikTok, whether I'm on Instagram, the conversation around finding adult friendships is huge. But from that, also the romantic perspective, you just said you're kind of, you know, sex and the city vibes, New York girls that are dating. I've heard you say before you're entering your single era. And I wanted to know what have you learned about yourself while being single that you didn't know about yourself when you were in a relationship? Being single, I think it's such an important time because you really get to know yourself when the noise stops. I think it's really important to take that time and trust it and sit in the discomfort of it. For me, I guess it became quite specific over this past eight months because my life became so work consumed since January. I didn't stop traveling and shooting, doing press, filming, releasing music. So it was really important for me, actually, to be single and to prioritize myself and my work. I'm someone that I'm like, I can do it all. I can have a relationship and this career and like, do it all. And I probably can, but I just had to trust that. You can for sure. Yeah. Yeah. You can. My friend, that's like, if you're birthdays in three months, I know what I'm going to get you. I'll organize it and it's a joy for me, right? So I don't think it was a problem about like capacity. I just think maybe it was just about practicing stillness and kind of connecting to what we were saying about feeling left out or if you see things on social media and you feel like you're alone. I always try to go back to like, what do I believe in? And it really strengthens me and my values and what am I believing in right now? What are my work priorities? What are my friends or whatever? It just kind of makes you a bit more confident and comfortable within the silence. But manifesting is a real thing. Like when my cup is full and my battery is a fully charged and I'm feeling healthy and happy and I'm glowing and I can only achieve that if I have had space to be on my own. And when I reach that level, things come to me. What are you trying to manifest right now in love? Manifesting love itself to be really simple and I think that is someone that I can experience joy with, someone that I can be myself with, someone that I can learn something from and learn about myself from. I really want to meet someone that believes in my dreams and has dreams of their own. They're not afraid to step in and just go for it, you know? I'm going to say dreams. I'm not like, oh my gosh, like, big house on like some awesome piece of land and like all these kind of things. It's much simpler than that. I think it's just finding someone that doesn't see it so complicated to do life with me. Where it's just you have an amazing connection, an amazing friendship and just is curious and excited to give that a go. But also Jay, like I don't know. I'm also maybe on my point as well now where I'm like, I don't know. I think it's going to be a surprise to me. What lands? I love that line you use because I've never heard someone say it like that, the idea of someone who doesn't find it complicated to do life with me. Like that's such a great way of putting it. Like I think we're all looking for something that feels a little bit simpler. Not that it's easy. I think just to be clear that I don't think relationships or love for any of that is easy. But you want it to be a bit simpler. You want it to make sense because the rest of life is so chaotic and crazy and intense and full of pressure. And you want to come home to something that feels a little bit lighter than that. And deeper as well, not lighter in the sense of it doesn't have any gravitas or depth. It's a joy to make time for my friends. It's a joy to make time for my partner. It's a joy to organize things and plan around my work schedule. I'm the type of person when I wrap up work. I'm so excited to go home to my partner and see them share like my days, spend time with them. Everyone's like that. When I say, I'm the type of person that everyone feels that way. No, not everyone. I think that to have that joy and excitement to make time and make memories and all of those things, it comes from a place of capacity. And I think I just really believe in myself and I believe I deserve that kind of love. I believe I deserve that kind of life. And that self-belief has led me to where I am in my career. And I think maybe I've had experiences where maybe there's a mismatch in that capacity. I think it comes from a place of self-belief. If you believe that you deserve all those things, that happiness, that joy, you will make it happen. We're manifesting it right now for you, right here, all of them. This is the moment that we're going to come back to when it all happens. And you're saying this moment you locked in, you channeled. It's important part of all of our lives, it's such a real thing and you are looking for someone who has a frequency match with you and that frequency of generosity, that frequency of reciprocation, that frequency of the joy and the excitement that you're saying that you want to feel for someone when you go back, for someone to receive that and for someone to give that back. And that requires you to live in that at all times because then you'll know. Yes. You'll be living in that when you go to meet someone or see someone, you'll know where they stand and how they feel and whether they're meeting you there or not. And this idea of, you know, everyone's always being honest with you. And sometimes we're like, oh, they're not being honest with me because they're not telling me what's going on. And it's like, well, that's their honesty. Their truth is they're not telling you what's going on because that's who they are. And so everyone's always being honest with you. If you only saw it that way. Yeah. And no one's actually being dishonest because they're showing you what they can give, who they are and where they're at right now. And that's all they can give you. It's something I still struggle with, to be honest, because it's almost like I, I have like a piece of cake that's just the best. I've referenced cake quite a lot. And I'm like, oh my gosh, it's so, it's delicious. It tastes so good. This is the best cake ever. If someone's not willing to try, I find it really hard because I'm like, if you did, You keep it, you like it. I've got to write. Oh my God, so stupid. What I'm trying to say is, I think I saw struggle with understanding where someone else's app with their journey of self-belief and space within their heart has nothing to do with me. Yes. You're my friend, my brother, I've been on the phone to having conversations about this before and that's something that I still struggle with to just not take a person who make it about me and I think, you know, sitting here saying, "This now it makes sense and it resonates," but it's something, it's like a muscle I need to exercise for sure. What do you think is the difference between like a failure at work because that we can take personally, but it seems like you don't. And then you've got a failure or a rejection in relationships and we take that much more personally, all of us, I think. Yeah. And so talk to me about the difference for you in both of those. Like if you have a door shut on your work or an audition doesn't go well, I feel like being an actor all over here from all my actors friends is just like, "God, I thought I was going to get this project and then it didn't work out." But talk to me about the difference between failing at work and failing in life or love almost. And of course it's not failure, but at least that's how it feels. Rejection. Rejection, yeah. Disappointment. Yeah. Since I was a kid, it was written. I would never, I've not once said, "If it doesn't work out, I've never, oh, I've said it now." But like as an example, but I never, that thought I wouldn't even let it end to my mind, it was written that all my dreams within my career were going to have opportunity to come true. That's so powerful. I love that. It came from self-belief. I just wanted it so much. And I knew that I was capable. That was very internal. So anytime I got rejected or someone didn't believe in me professionally, it just touched the surface. It didn't erupt my internal belief at all. Because I'd just be like, "Well, they're dumb to not see what I'm capable of." I got rejected so many times from agencies or casting directors or whatever, directors when I was in my early 20s. But I never worried about it because I was just like, "Well, I know that the right people are going to see my vision." It did happen. It's in no way if I achieved everything that I've wanted. I've got a long way to go. It makes me feel badass and confident. So it's something that no one can take away from me. It's something that I probably should practice applying to my personal life. But the difference is the whole thing I was saying about it just touches the surface, rejection or disappointment professionally. When it's your personal life, friends or a partner that you love, you are giving them your internal belief. I'm sharing my belief with them. If someone doesn't understand that, rejects it. For me, it's very emotional. I find it hard to just be like, "Oh, it didn't really affect me. I just touched the surface." Because it's something that I don't give very often. When I do, my self-belief changed my life and it colored my world. When I give it to someone else and they don't want it or they're scared of it or it's too much for them or whatever it might be, which is totally fine. I find it really hard to not let it shatter my world. That's okay. I used to see personal, personal, and professional, as two different people. You've said this before, you've got your avatar and whatever. Actually, maybe something that I should try is just seeing it as one person, like that confident, badass, unstoppable kind of attitude I can have. Maybe I should just apply it more in relationships, but relationships really soften me. If I love someone, I want them to be part of that self-belief. I loved what you said that, relationship soften you, love soften you. I think that's why we want it. It's because you don't have to be this badass, focused. You don't have to be that way in love. You can use some of those skills and tools, but really what we want to do is just rest and be embraced and be held and hold back and be at peace. I was telling you this last night. I was talking to a client the other day and I was like, do you believe you'll be a billionaire? They were like, yes. This is a female client. I was like, do you believe you'll be a billionaire? And she goes, yes. And I go, do you believe that there is the biggest, boldest, most beautiful love out there for you? She was like, I'm not sure. I love what you said that. I think love, we all want it to be soft, but it's the belief needs to be as strong in it existing and it being possible as we do in our career goals or our dreams or whatever it may be. It's like, can I hold the same belief for my love life, even though my love life will look very different because it will be soft, it will be peaceful. It will be less driven folk. You don't want your love life to be like work. No, yeah. Yeah. And so I think that balance is really, really useful to hear. What's something that you used to value in a partner, but you don't value anymore? Someone may say, I used to value someone who was always there for me. And now I actually value a lot of interdependence. They don't need to always be there. They're going to be busy. Sometimes I'm going to be busy sometimes and we've realized that that's what life actually looks like. Or something more superficial. I used to value someone who always picked up the bill on the first day. And now I don't because I want it to be an equal partnership. That's a more superficial example. On the deepest level, it's like, I used to value someone who believed in my dreams. And now I don't want someone who believes in my dreams. But I want someone who's cheering me on while I'm doing it. I think humans are so layered. And the people I've fallen in love with, I've also fallen in love with their flaws. So for example, I used to really value the funny guy. And now maybe I don't want to go for that. But actually, I can't honestly say that because I was so proud to be in love with someone so funny and so charismatic and actually maybe deeper beneath that, they were quite anxious and quiet or shy or slightly insecure or whatever it might be. But it wasn't something that I saw as like a red flag. I just thought it was a beautiful thing. I think I just definitely value someone who no one's perfect, who has a relationship with themselves, that's healthy. Because I think if you can understand yourself, look in the mirror, understand who you are, you're just willing to sit with the discomfort of your own journey and expanding who you are, all these different things. I think those are the kind of people I really can click with because that's life. And I think that's something that I've learned ever since my early 20s. But only because I decided to do that for myself. I wanted to grow, I wanted to be a better version of myself, though I have aspects of myself that I wanted to get rid of. So I'm kind of reverse answering the question in a way. No, but I hear what you're saying. You're saying that I want to embrace someone's flaws and the parts of them that they're still exploring and understanding and at the same time, you need someone who's working on that part as well and aware of those parts as well and trying to because ultimately you can't carry those forever by yourself. And I think a lot of people do that in long-term relationships where they think they're making space for their partners' flaws, but actually they're just carrying them and then eventually that weight breaks them down because they go, well, I can't. I can't do this without you because they're yours. And if you're not going to carry them and only I'm going to carry them, well, then I'm carrying myself and you. And then eventually that's going to wear away and I'm not going to be able to hold that much weight. And it's something I've had to learn because my stamina can overtake and be like, I'll do it. I'll carry both of us. But again, that comes from a place of self-belief. I've done it for myself and I'll show you how good it can be. And going back to your values question, like at work when people ask me, what's your dream project or what's when you're bucket list? And I always say, okay, here's a rough example of what I'd love to do in music when my movies or other things. But there's never going to be the perfect project. Like with the dream director, dream time, dream location, dream cast, all these things. And then for it to get green lit and financed. And for a pandemic, not to happen. And all these things, it's never, I don't believe it's ever going to happen like that. It's you meet opportunities and you surrender to it and you open yourself up to it. And you're like, oh, this is kind of my dream project for all these different things. It may not have this one thing that I wanted in it. But it's still amazing. And I think I'm like that when it comes to meeting people. I get taken by surprise quite a lot. And I think for me, first and foremost, it's born out of a connection. And I am quite drawn to people that are quite different to me in a way. Yeah. So I guess it's hard for me to even list like perfect scenarios or things a person might be. I think my values will always be kindness, you know, a zest for life. I think that the opposite of depression is creation. Right. So one, two, a look. Yeah. Like let's create together. Let's, let's go on this journey together. Let's create a home together, a family together. Let's create experiences with our friends together, even like there's Sunday and we've got no plans. Let's create a cozy day together. That's making something like you're moving forward in life and you're building and you're you're just going forward. But it's the opposite of being stagnant and not giving something a go. And I definitely am drawn to people. people that are like, let's just do it, let's give it a go. - I think about that all the time. I'm like, really what you're looking for is a co-creator. - Yeah. - Is not feeling like either of you are carrying everything or all of it, but you're co-creating and there's so much magic when that happens. I wanted to ask you, obviously, you released your first EP this year called Songs Are Row New York. I got to hear it early on, you were sending me stuff. So I was like, this is incredible. And I wanted to ask, what was it about, was it New York that brought that out of you? That you've always been a singer, you've sung since you were young, but was it like, was it being in New York? Was it certain experiences? What brought that out of you to do that here and to obviously name it, Songs Are Row New York? - So it was something that was in development for about three years. Fraser T Smith really reared me and developed me and really guided me into songwriting and helping me discover and develop the kind of sound I wanted. And he always had that belief in me and that patience with me because I was in my lyric writing and my songwriting, I think I was trying quite hard to be bombastic, to be edgy in my lyrics or to be a poet and all these things, which is fine. That's part of the exploration. But when I moved to New York, something happened where everything in my lyric writing and what was coming out of my heart just felt so simple and suddenly it just became a story and a narrative that a lot of people could relate to. And it was a narrative I was so proud of. Moving to New York was a massive turning point in my life. It really helped me find my confidence in a larger way. I was meeting new people in, you know, Summer in New York was just, it's the perfect setting to write music for me and I got very lucky working in the studio with Dan and Tully who are musicians I wrote my songs with, one of my songs with New York got me out of my head 'cause my body will always have better ideas than my head. And it really, every time I'm in New York, I don't stop. And it's a, which is a good and a bad thing but when it comes to making music, it just, everything felt so instinctual. It feels like these songs are so personal, especially someone who knows about your personal life. But I'm like, when you listen to the music, it feels so raw. Like did it ever feel scary? So scary. So I've never felt so nervous in my life. Like, yeah, yeah. Where everything you've done. I have everything I've done. When a movie comes out, the studio, the studio will protect me. Well, if something goes wrong, it's usually, it can be on someone else. Or if it's on me, then I don't know. I've been quite protected. I'm not perfect in any way. I'm not flawless. I'm sure I've had quite a few bodies of work that have come out where my performance isn't maybe up to scratch. But my music, it was all me. It was so exposing. And I felt so nervous. I was quite a difficult person to be around for those few weeks. And was that because the music was all so personal? Was that a big part of it? I was scared it was going to be misunderstood. But anyone that listened to it was like, what are you talking about? This is so positive. I think it was also, I was releasing it at a time where I was still on a journey of finding my piece with certain things. So I think it was a mixture of that. So freeze my favorite song. Yeah. I picked out a lyric from "Tradict Romantic." Diane Warren wrote that. Oh, no way. I didn't write "Tradict." But I'm interested to hear it. This is a lyric though. But I mean, you put this in there. So red flags look like roses to me. I keep wanting what I don't need. Keep running to what I should run from. It's always the same old story. I'm good with what's not good for me. Why was that an important lyric to have in there, then? Even if Diane wrote it? There was a kind of tongueing cheek atmosphere around these lyrics, right? And I think the title "Tradict Romantic" is quite dramatic. And I think it was kind of like, well, here we go again. Another one bites the dust kind of thing. We were talking about this earlier that like, maybe addictions are too strong of a word, but just that I love falling in love. And I love that journey. And my heart's going to get broken, but it's worth it for all the highs. And I overlook the red flags, because even if I get one petal of the rose, it's worth it. I don't think it's something that I practice in my daily life now. But I think there was something quite tongueing cheek about it that I thought a lot of people could relate to, especially my community of women. "Tradict Romantic" was, I'm, you know, it was something that I felt nervous about. It's an amazing song. And I was so honored that Diane gave it to me, and I worked with it on her. But I always want my message to be positive for young women and to have positive morals and lessons and values. And "Tradict Romantic" I, there are aspects where I was like, I don't have to take it so seriously. And it's a story. And it's a chapter of a story. 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Head to Waifere.com to shop all things home. That's w-a-y-f-a-i-r.com. Waifere. Every style, every home. Tell me about free. Free's like one of my favourite songs. Every time I talk about it with people about the story of the writing and the message behind it, it just makes me feel this really delicate kind of happiness. I wrote it with Dan and Tully within like four hours. And I remembered the day so vividly. I think it was on a Monday and I went in the studio and I was telling them about this experience I had over the weekend and I was just so full of happiness. And I was like, "Hey, you have some happiness." "You have some happiness." Like it just felt so it was just overflowing. And so we started writing the song and they were so excited that I was sharing my story with them. And Dan, when we got to writing the middle eight, the bridge of the song, I'll never forget it. He sat down on his chair and he looked at me and he was like, you know, the real acid test for writing, I love song like this, like free, is if you can write down the lyrics on a sheet of paper and read it out almost like it's a speech to this person. Maybe it's your wedding day or whenever it might be and you're just saying the lyrics is if it was a speech and it makes sense. And something just clicked in my head as soon as he said that and it freaked me out as well. Like this experience was so fresh and now I was in the studio making this very confessional song. And though the lyrics are incredibly simple, when someone listens to it, it's very easy listening, soulful, warm, I hope, and lyrics are so simple. But free was about, for me it was all about gratitude. I was saying this to you last night at dinner, I think in day-to-day life, happiness can remain quite dormant within ourselves. And sometimes we have experiences or we meet people that just bring it alive and remind you of it. And it was just one of the best happiest experiences of my life. And I was so proud of it. And I was so proud of myself of how much love I had to give and that I saw and believed in. And free was about documenting that. So that happy memory could just live forever, like gave it wings and it could just live forever. And then I ended up writing quite a good song. My whole team, well, like that. This is a good song. I was with a band doing live rehearsals the other week and they've worked with some pretty big artists. And they were like, this is a good song girl. And I was like, so proud of it. Because it came from a place of just pure love. I love that. Yeah, you feel it when you hear it. And I've loved all the acoustic versions you're posting on TikTok too. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's great to see it in that raw version of you just hanging out at home and singing along. And it's what has, allowing yourself to sing and share your voice and the right, dump for you differently than acting. What does it do for you as a person? As a human? I think I've kind of made my own opportunity to have space for my voice to be heard. In the film industry, I'm still working really hard and grafting to get to projects, which I know will happen for me where I can really showcase what I'm keeping. of love and I have had many opportunities like that but there's even more that I can do and sometimes it can, it takes time because like we're saying it's finding the thing that perfectly aligns at the right time but with my music singing came before acting for me. I was singing since I was like six years old. I love it so much and I never wanted to look back and feel regretful that I didn't make it happen and I have a team of people that really believe in me and I've been working with people that really believe in me so I'm very lucky in that sense but yeah it gives me more opportunity to use my voice creatively because I know myself more than anyone so I'm not limited in that way. I respect you so much for doing it. I think it's so easy to get caught in our lanes. Yeah and we are living at a time when multi-hyphenets can exist and people are doing more than one thing but still I feel like it's so easy for people to label us and for us to label ourselves and say this is all I am and if I pivot then people won't take me seriously in this area and I completely disagree with that because it's almost like if you've already achieved what you've achieved the joy is in trying everything you always wanted. Yeah. I often say that to my team where I'm like I'm already living in bonus land I want to do everything like I want to try stuff that my child itself couldn't believe I'd have an opportunity to do this because otherwise I'm going to regret it at the end of my life I'm going to look back no one's going to remember me anyway and so no one's going to get in a good way. I mean in like a genuine way like most people are not going to remember the biggest musicians of all time after a hundred to 200 years like you just won't you know when you look at history like the only people that really lasted in history are like Buddha Jesus Krishna. You know you look at like religion and spirituality or people who changed the world or the Stoics from 2000 years ago but you don't really remember people beyond certain time periods and it's a good thing to remember because it takes the pressure off and you go oh god I can do so many things yeah and I should do what my heart's calling me to not I'm not saying do things because you can I'm saying do things because you've always known that that's who you are which is which is what you're saying we have a game for you Simone okay this game is called what you rather dating game okay so we want to find out because we are trying to manifest this for you today on the show okay so dating game would you rather Simone actually are you ready yeah I'm ready would you rather date someone who has never been in a serious relationship or someone who just got out of a 10 year relationship I'm gravitating towards dating someone that has been in a long term relationship yes but again who knows it's a game it's a game okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay I'm gonna let you philosophise no I like I like you when you become a philosopher so go on no I mean you never know you could date someone that's never been in a long term relationship and it could be dynamite it could be the best thing ever cool all right what do you think I think I gravitate towards someone who knows what commitment looks like to if it's been enough time yeah yeah yeah yeah it's been enough time yeah I think that's a really important part of that answer because if it's immediate then that's unhealthy but if it's been enough time I gravitate towards that answer because I just feel like that person knows what it looks like to commit and grow and build yeah yeah and as experience it depends what age you are as well we're talking about like people in their late 20s mid 30s I think that's if you haven't had a long term relationship what's the reason and again they could be a really good reason yeah and that's fair too would you rather be with someone who falls for you very quickly or someone who takes things extremely slow I think look falling very quickly I think I'm someone that does that and I gravitate towards that I think it's about choice it was two people making a choice and it's like I feel this I'm ready let's go for it I think when it's like you fall quickly and then someone's like what I don't know I'm changing my mind now like I don't know I've got a very big open heart so it's hot I don't know game is hard you didn't great there's no answer good thing about the game is there's no answer okay all right would you rather date someone who plans every date six weeks in advance or someone who prioritises being spontaneous spontaneous oh yeah but you're the planner though you were like I'm the planner but I I really gel well with people that are spontaneous because it gets me out my head and it's you're gonna plan yeah they're gifts six months in advance yeah but yeah I love spontaneity would you rather date someone who knows exactly what they want or someone who's totally open to where life takes them totally open would you rather be with someone who wants to spend every free moment together or someone who gives you lots of independence lots of independence why because I need that with my lifestyle I can't oh I'm okay so they're testing you every moment again Simone yeah no because I think it's attractive as well if someone is like I'm doing my thing because I think then suddenly I feel responsible yeah and that's not cool we're just we're just giving clues to the public that's what we're doing here this is like we've got a lot of people who wants to show I've got a lot of everyone got a lot of celebrities got a lot of athletes got a lot of music you know so we're gonna we're gonna get it this out for me yeah would you rather date someone who insists on talking through every disagreement immediately or someone who always needs a night to think first it depends again it's all I'm like let's talk about it that's not that hard I'm a let's talk about it yeah yeah would you rather date someone who's your biggest cheerleader or someone who's your most honest critic biggest cheerleader yeah like I've got so many people that can be my honest critic my friends my team like you don't have to bullshit me but yeah be my cheerleader yeah 100% yeah you're right you can find other people to do the other one that's the point you can find people in your life will be really honest with you but you want your partner to have you yeah yeah yeah would you rather be the one to say I love you first what have your partner said before you my last experience I I wasn't the one to say it first and I kind of like to laugh I was like okay cool but taxi yeah yeah so that's the way we go and then do you say it back immediately or do you wait oh it's all within context J it's all within context but yeah I mean look if I felt the same way then yeah or eventually eventually so you'll make someone wait someone could say I love you and you'd like literally wouldn't say anything then for seven days no no no okay within count it's all within context all within count but okay let's say in this in this moment if someone if I was with someone I felt the same way and they said I love you yeah it's a fact okay we're just throwing out there throwing out now I'm just I'm just being a big brother you know like helping you out here that's what I appreciate it yeah that's what I do so I don't think what thing I wanted to talk to you about was this idea that I feel people feel especially like you're 31 now you said and it's a turning 30s a big deal for people and I feel society social media has made it an even bigger deal for people one of the biggest things I think people worry about even when it comes to envy comparison friendship one of the biggest themes is timelines and I think we all had a timeline when we were growing up or we saw timelines around us figure out your dream job by 30 get married by 35 have kids by 40 and maybe that's all pushed back by 10 years maybe 10 20 years ago that was even five years earlier whatever it may have been talk to me about how you handle comparing timelines with friends family and people around you not perfectly in my family I'm some what the anomaly my brother he just had a baby I know congrats thank you thank you yeah we've got opposite lifestyles right like he got married got the dog had a baby all of those things and I'm so so proud of him and happy for him and he's such an amazing example of just moved to New York and I'm making music traveling all over the place and sometimes that can feel a bit scary but I think you just you got to trust it you got to trust your journey you got to have faith in your journey don't compare and despair I think it's hard as a young woman as well you know the 30s are or like when you can have kids or all these kind of things um I think in my moments of where I'm feeling low I can put pressure on myself and be like wow the next person I've got to be really careful I've got to do all these things I've put a timeline on my years and like set up plan but when I'm feeling the best version of myself I just let it go and I'm like so so much gratitude for the life I have and I just manifest it trust it trust it trust it and your my time will come for my personal life or where the dreams that I want to have personally that'll happen when it's meant to happen I've seen people who got married early then had kids late I've seen people who got married late and had kids immediately yeah and I've seen people who crushed their career and then found love late and then I've seen people who found love in their 20s and then figured out their career at 40 I feel like the timeline thing is such a messy indicator of success yeah because anything can speed up slow down or 180 at any point and you see that with people at all stages like you know when I watch your career trajectory it's incredible like it's so awesome I'm such a proud friend and just watching you just achieve all these incredible things and do them so phenomenally well carry yourself with grace put yourself out there and met your friends they're amazing people like just there's so much of your life that you've got right and I think sometimes people usually rush the last piece of the puzzle and that can almost crumble everything because you already work so hard to build all these facets of your life up and what you just said when you trust yourself yeah and you trust yourself in the last piece of the puzzle, you start recognizing it's not the last piece. There's always going to be more pieces that keep getting added to this beautiful picture that you're building. But when you think, oh gosh, this is the last piece, I need to figure it out. You just try and like, squish anything there. And then that can start to affect and just join everything else. And so I think it's so fascinating, whether it's career, whether it's love, whether it's friends, whether it's family. Like, I've seen people who've found love, who have a great career, and then they're doing therapy with their mom at 60 years old. And that's what's healing their whole experience, right? It shouldn't be a race to success in terms of having settling down, finding a person, marriage, career. I don't think it should be a race to success. It should be a race to just finding peace and happiness. And that can take place at so many different places in everyone's life. Have you ever lived that experience of getting to a place where you're like, this is it? And then it wasn't because I imagine. Yeah, you've talked about this idea of like, nearly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk to me about that. The nearly is other ones that really, I find hard to process and to make peace with and to understand and to let go because again, because I'm such a dreamer and I'm like, well, why not? Like, we had all the ingredients. Like, it was a nearly. But again, if we apply it to what I did in my work life, you know, it took me some time to really understand this, but if I didn't get a job, or if it was a nearly, I really learned quite quickly that it was opening doors to something else. And when it came to work, it's so, it's so easy to understand that and accept that. And it happened for me. There was so many things in my early 20s. I nearly got and I'm so glad it didn't happen. So glad it didn't happen. Because if it did, I think things would have been, maybe a little bit more complicated or different. Yeah, I think in my personal life, because you just want it. I want it right now kind of thing. So when it's a nearly as hard to practice that, acceptance and patience. Is there a particular example you can think of? I could count on like four hands, the amount of projects in my early 20s, where I was like, I got to the final round, I got to the screen test, where I flew over and did the chemistry read. And it was like, oh my gosh, I was dreaming about it. And I was imagining what it was going to be like. And I could taste it. And I didn't, I didn't get it. I looked back and I'm so glad it didn't happen. Because things that did end up changing my life, I probably wouldn't have even been available to do them. When opportunities don't happen, it's giving space for something else. And it's kind of an annoying thing to say, because everyone says that, and it's really hard to trust it and believe it. But from experience, work wise, oh my gosh, that I put money on it. Nine years ago, I got contacted by a production company in LA, which I lived in New York at the time, where we are right now. And they were like, "Jay, we want to produce a TV show with you. "We'll go and pitch it out to all the big streamers "and production companies and everything else." And come and do it. So I was like traveling to LA on my own money, which I didn't have a lot of at the time. I was coming up with a sizzle reel, coming up with a deck, figuring it all out on top of my day job. Flew out when it had means, came back, flew out when it did pitches. And I remember being in a meeting with Netflix. And Netflix turned out my pitch. This was nine years ago. And I would never have started on purpose if they didn't turn it down. Yeah, yeah. Because I would have got this show, maybe it would have run for two, three seasons. Obviously, I would have been in charge of it, would have been my show, would have owned it. And now I'm like, now we're back on Netflix. And it's just so, but it's like, it's my show. I own the show, I get to decide who I sit with, I get to decide who I talk to, I get to decide what it looks like, everything. And I'm like, wow, like that moment, when I got rejected, it felt like. You couldn't see all of this. I had no idea. And I was like, oh, well, who knows? Like, maybe I'm not made for this in this way. And whatever, you could tell all these stories. And then you go, no, actually, that's shining. It was the best nine years later. It's the best thing that have happened to me. Yeah. And I think it's so hard, because we kind of live in these little tiny cycles of, it's the worst three months of my life. It's the worst six months of my life. And it's like, actually, if you zoom out, you look at life. Mm-hmm. And you keep working and you keep focused. Things will work out and make more sense. It was meant to be for you. It will happen. Also, careful what you wish for sometimes. You know, I nearly wasn't able to do Bridgerton. Because? Before the pandemic started, before everything shut down, I was on Little Mermaid. And I have quite a small role in that. So proud to be part of that production, but yes, I was one of the mermaid sisters. Really small role. I had like one line. But they had booked me to film in Sardinia the spring summer of 2021. And because of the pandemic, like things got delayed and delayed and delayed. And when I got Bridgerton, they said no. I think they kind of, they didn't actually look into the details of it of like, what Bridgerton was, the scale of my character, like how big it was for me. No one knew who I was, no one really cared. And they said no. And luckily, my manager at the time, my team really eloquently fought for it. And they were like, this is going to change our life. You've got to let her go over like two days, filming somewhere and somewhere, you've got to let her go. And yeah, they thank God, brought Marshall, let me do it. And yeah. And so, careful what you wish for. I say that as an example of, you might really want something and you get it. And it could really mess up what happens in the future. Those are the sliding door moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's why you've got to be so intentional in those moments and be really careful about what you're really trying to build. Yeah. Because in one sense, one's bigger in the little moment feels bigger in the moment, but then one's bigger for you. Yes, exactly. And as bad as for you and what you're building. And be careful to not emotionally react to desperation, which is a really human thing to feel. There is no shame in feeling desperate. Like as an artist, I feel desperate all the time, all the time, hungry all the time. And I think, you know, look, we're talking purely about work. I think I'm in a very privileged place to sit here and talk about this. But when you're desperate and you really want something and you're hungry for something, sometimes you can make decisions that in the long term don't suit you. So that's something I've really learned with work as well. What would you say to someone who feels behind in life? I think you could say the things like, be grateful for what you already have or that's going to come for you. Just believe in yourself, work really hard and it'll happen for you. But when you feel behind in life, it's something that's quite deep. Feeling behind in life comes from a place of maybe, you have to practice what life really is, you know? Practicing how can you just be, you know? And not have all the things that make you feel successful or confident or in control. How can you just be and be okay with it? 'Cause I don't think there's an answer to that. I think we're always gonna go through feeling behind, feeling like someone's got something better than me, feeling disappointed and there's no quick fix 'cause sometimes things are out of control and sometimes you just gotta be. And if you can be okay with that and be at peace and be happy with that no matter what's going on, which is, you know, really hard. I'm not perfect at all, but that's what my answer, my real answer would be. The biggest problem with feeling behind and looking up is that one day you'll be ahead and then looking over your shoulder and both positions are just not great to be. Whereas if you learn to just be where you are and recognize, let me get comfortable with this. Let me understand me. Then whether you're ahead or behind it, it won't matter to you, whether you're number one or number 100 on the list, it won't matter to you because you were comfortable in your own skin. And if you're number one, one day you'll be number two and one day you'll be number three and if you're number three, one day you may get to two or one and that's always, you know, just moving, changing. Exactly. But I think to that point, maybe you do get to a place where you have all the things you want, but you're not happy. So even if you are feeling behind in life, like how can you find what does happiness mean to you? You know, how can you find happiness without all the things to fix it? What's the biggest pressure you've had to let go of in your thirties? I was going to say, I think getting married, but I don't feel that pressure after all, to be honest, from my family or anyone. I can make it feel like a pressure when I'm feeling frustrated or I feel like there's, you know, something I'm doing that's stopping myself. I think it's a one and a desire to find someone and I think I'm trying to be careful, to not turn that into pressure. I love that answer because what's interesting is you can want the same thing, better can either feel like a pressure or it can feel like a pursuit. Something you're excited about, the desire part that you just mentioned there. And often what we do is we go, I want it, I don't want it, right? So we oscillate between like, we think the point is, if I want something too badly, whatever it may be, work, career, love, we go, okay, I better go to the other end and not want it. And it's not that. It's actually going from, how can I turn it from being a pressure to a pursuit and a desire and an excitement and joy and abundance? Because it's okay to want it. I'm not wrong for wanting it. And I think sometimes we make ourselves feel, no, no, no, I shouldn't want it. I should just forget about it. And it's like, no, no, no, how do I purify it? To want it from a place of abundance, enjoy and bliss and excitement as opposed to wanting it from pressure, desperation, stress, frustration. Exactly. It makes me think you've seen short-term redemption. Yeah, of course, yeah. I can't remember the quote, but there's that quote about time and pressure because the whole story is a part of it. about them chipping away and it's taking time and in terms of geology, like pressure to get through this wall. - Geology is the study of pressure and time. That's all it takes really pressure and time. - His dream was the escape. - Yes. - So it was inspired me and what you were asking me reminded me of that because if that's my dream, then how do we take time and pressure and not make pressure this bad dark word? - Simone, it's been such a wonderful time talking to you. As always, and we get to do this. I'm lucky I get to do this offline with you all the time. But the last time I saw you apart from last night, Adina was, I got to come to the premiere of Devil Wears Prada 2, which I'm such a big fan of the first one. And so you giving me that opportunity to come and crash with your team and come to the premiere that you were such a big part of the movie, was unbelievable. The movie was awesome. I loved it. I told you it was like a brilliant sequel. It was so awesome being at the premiere, being with you, seeing you be celebrated. And you living off of crazy little amounts of sleep. I had no idea how you didn't even get to go to your own after party and I had to run to London the next morning. But I mean, being a part of that, you've talked about it so much. I've seen so many of the interviews. It must have been so special. Now when you look back on it, because the movie's out and of course it's gonna go out on streaming soon. But now that the movie's already out, when you look back on an experience like that, what do you remember? - Changed my life, changed my world professionally and personally. I remember every detail of that experience, I remember everything. I just felt so proud to be part of something of that caliber with that cast and to be working with David and Alene and just one of those experiences and moments of my life that just, I really, I've never felt so present in my life. Best, best experience in my life professionally. But my world around me moving to New York and what was happening to me around that time, the happiest I've ever been in my life. So forever, so much gratitude towards that. I remember getting the call. So many people have asked me like, oh, apparently there's this video of you when you get the call of getting this movie. And we started talking around this time. Our friendship was just like starting to grow and I was going through a few experiences. And when I got this call, I was just so happy when I was very emotional. And I've never shared the video with anyone. Like, 'cause I just, I find it a bit weird doing that, but I'll give it to you. - Oh, please. - Yeah, yeah. - No way. - Yeah, you can do what you want with it. - I don't want it. - Oh my god. - Yeah, you have shown it to me before either. - No, no. - I don't think you've shown it to me, yeah. - No, 'cause it's really emotional. It's a lot. - Beautiful of that. - But I remember that because happiness was just surrounding me that year. And very, very grateful for it. - Well, once I've seen it, and once we talk about it, I'll decide what I do with it. - Yeah, okay, cool. - So that is very sweet of you. And I feel like that's beautiful. I remember what a challenging time it was. And so I can't imagine. And it's always like that in life. Like there's one door opening, another closing, another, you're trying to break down. And I've always felt like as your friend, like you've just navigated it well, as best as you can as a human really. It's, you know, and your mission so clear of how you want to inspire others and help others. And I think that keeps you. - But I think to that point, like anyone listening to this, I speak a lot about these amazing moments and how happy I am or I was, and the gratitude towards it. But that is something I want to emphasize. Like my life is not that all the time. I'm a young woman going through the journey of a young woman, you know, and there's ups and downs and there's fails and there's moments of darkness. But if there's anything I do want to share with people is to inspire them to practice remembering the happy moments and being grateful for them. Because that's your light in the dark. - Yeah, I always say that we remember the bad times more than the good times. Because when something bad happens, we cry for a month and when something good happens, we celebrate for a day. - Yeah. - And that's why what you're saying is you got to shift it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So we're just not good at, like if something good happens, we're like, have one night and then it's over and then back to work tomorrow. But if something bad happens, you're like, talking about with your friends for a month, talking about it, defines like three months of your life. And that's why you remember it more and I love that reframe and shift for you. Simone, we end every interview of on purpose with the final five. These questions have to be answered in one sentence maximum. - Okay. - Simone Ashley, this is your final five. Question number one, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received? - Be kind. - Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? - That person will always be there. - Describe in one sentence each of these people, Merrill Street. - Icon. - Add half the way. - Icon. (laughing) - Emily Blum. - So funny. Icon. - Stanley Tucci. - So funny. - And cheeky. (laughing) - Yeah, Icon. - Simone Ashley. - Your friend. - I was expecting so funny on Icon. (laughing) - And awkward. - And awkward, yeah. - Yeah, so funny Icon awkward. That's yours. That's my answer to yours. - Question number four, what helps you in your hardest moments? - Oh, well, oh, and feel about myself. But to get me out of that, I'll dream big. I'll go back to all the things I have coming up and just listening to music or going on a run or something and just dreaming big. I'll live in my dreams for a bit and that kind of takes me out. And then that's my mission, yeah. - Fifth and final question. We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? - Be respectful. (laughing) - I don't know. - Be respectful would be great. - You've had so many people on here that probably said something really like profound. - No, no, no, no, people do both. Like people say be kind and be respectful. People say that and then people come up with like, you should be locked out of your phone for the amount of minutes you use it. And things like that, people come up with like more technical stuff. It's up to you, it doesn't matter. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Simone, thank you so much. Honestly, this is incredible. I can't wait to see you again. I'm so glad that we got to do this and kind of, I feel like it's a time capsule of our friendship. I feel like we can come back to this and like 10 years and 20 years and look back on it and be like, look what happened from this conversation, that conversation and I hope you'll come on again in the future. But honestly, I'm so proud of you. So grateful that you exist. So excited to see what you'll continue to do in the world. The path that you're saying, the example you're saying for so many young women across the world. And myself, and people like myself, so inspiring. And thank you for being so raw, real and true. I appreciate you deeply. Truly. - Thank you. Thank you so much, Chair. - Thank you so much.