Side Stories: Inside the Bricks & Minifigs Scandal w/ Reckless Ben

There's no place to escape to, and this is the last talk on the left. Side stories? That's when the cannibalism started. Side stories, yes. Rumble, young man Rumble, what we got here is the new sheriff in town. And it comes to Legos. And honestly, I'm really happy that you came so hard at this branch, where you didn't eat. I don't know if you even understood that you were coming at the Mormon church directly. Yeah, I found that out later. I was surprised I found they were Mormon because I thought Mormons are supposed to like steal and lie, you know. You'd be surprised. They also fuck little girls. Really? Yeah. Here we go. Yeah, they marry super, super young, yeah. You're right. They do marry very young, like 12, they go over to Nevada because it's still legal there. One of my cousins is Mormon and I remember they got married in like their teens, I think. Yeah. It was very, very young. And so they can have sex with each other in the eyes of the Lord and begin cranking out their Mormon army. Hey, they knew Lou Poles too, I guess, so, yeah. Yeah. You remember the poop hole loophole? Did you ever deal with that as a child? No. I never, I wasn't raised Mormon, but I've heard about it, yeah. It's not real. Oh, it's not. No, the poop hole loophole is, it's not a loophole. You're getting done with the butt. So it's just as, it doesn't count and God doesn't see that as sex, God thinks that's fine. Wow. Yeah. Well, I'm glad we have that, I'm glad we have that on camera. So we have here is this guy. I love this fucking guy. You've done such good work with your channel. I'm like, I've been following you since the Mccainy Manor story. And what you did over there was fascinating, I honestly think was extremely, it was necessary. And you're doing it in a very flagrant way, but I think that's why they call you reckless pen. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of just like pull stuff up on a butt and I'm like, maybe this will work out. Let's try it, you know, and we just try random stuff and just document the experience. That's the whole channel, basically, just let's come with the stupidest ideas we can think of and try to act them out in real life. No, but doing it for good, you know? You know, Ben, it's like, do you feel that that when you guy, I think that is interesting. Is that you, were you searching for stories like randomly or is it really is like something that inspired you? Like what got you into the whole thing, what started your YouTube channel? So I was living in my car across the street in my friend's house and he lives across the street from Scientology. And I was going online, so I was like, I wonder what goes on inside. Like I know all these billionaires pay money to believe in us, alien, their science fiction writer wrote about some Google in it online, like what goes on inside Scientology? And like there's like rumors of what goes on, but I was like, I don't want to believe some rumor. Like I want to see it for myself. You know, there's only some species of what goes on inside, but like I just like just show me what goes on inside. So then I look, I start watching these like Scientology documentaries. So I'm like, I can finally, if I watch these documentaries, I'll find out what goes on inside. And then the documentary show, it goes on inside. I'm like, what the, it's like million, with a million dollars, these guys couldn't figure out what the answer is to Scientology. So I was like, you know what, I'm homeless in my car right now and I can even make a better documentary than, than all these documentaries. So I call it the world's best Scientology documentary. We made it with a $50 budget and I was homeless. I had no video experience ever in my life and I still made it a better documentary. We found out all their secrets and well, all their things, but we found out a lot of their secrets. And it's fascinating because we've also, did you find yourself on the bad end of Scientology? Um, yeah, they tried to assume it's like a million dollars, I guess. Yeah, but then I had made my own religion called the Church of Scientology Sucks, it got approved by the IRS and now I just believe that everything I'm saying in my documentary is true. I just believe that Scientology sucks. And so they can't sue me for what I believe in, you know, or else that's discriminating me against my religion. And that's how I got out of that one. Dude, have you thought about getting a law degree with this stuff that you're talking to a lawyer or like, you know, getting a law, like you got your lawyers at this point have to be so tired. Um, no, I've never used a lawyer until like a couple weeks ago actually, um, so the everything I've done my entire YouTube career has been without a lawyer. And I think if I had a lawyer, I wouldn't be able to do the stuff I'm doing, you know, exactly. The like two or three times I've ever talked to a lawyer, they're like, that's the worst of you in the world. If you go through with that, you are screwing yourself. Then I end up doing it. Nens have like always working out. So, well, you're doing lawyers have always just been wrong. Well, you're really, I think you're harnessing obviously is this, I mean, the power of the people. Like you have a, when people watch and have a mandate and are interested in it and everybody is, I kind of like, that that's kind of what brings us to this story is just how many people are interested in, you know, this level of, it's low level corruption that fucks us every day. Yeah. And if I follow the lawyer's advice that I won't get the people on board because then there's not the entertaining story, you know, so at the end of the day, by disobeying the lawyer, I get the people on my side and by getting the people on my side, then I take out the company. So by disobeying the lawyer indirectly, it kind of takes down the company. You know, I don't know. It can. It's just, I'm just worried about you, bro. I don't want you to get yourself into such insane trouble that you can't get yourself out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I always sort of read that line, you know, of like how close can I get to like crossing that line without actually crossing it? I feel like I get like this far away from crossing the line every single time, which is my favorite thing to do. You know, it's always like how close can that line can I get without crossing them? Like, okay, I've actually screwed myself, you know, but this story. So this story is like, you're just recent video that just came out. It's like already at like 5.5 million views. Like, I don't even really want. Oh, yeah, bro. It's fucking huge. I want you to know, like straight up our audience, go watch the original reckless Ben videos. If you don't quite know what we're talking about here about the bricks and many figs story, go watch reckless Ben and go through that whole line. Then come back because I do think it's important because I don't want to start from zero with you talking about this subject, but you stumbled into not stumbled. Obviously, Brian Mansell approached you. Correct? Uh, yeah. Yeah, I just, why put out a feeling I was like, hey, if anyone has like crazy problems that the police can't solve, like, I'll solve it for you, you know, and I probably got like 10,000 emails. And that was just one of like the 10,000 that received, but randomly, you know, do you just chose that randomly? Or was it just like one like you were going through and you're like, oh, we'll get to more. And this is the one that came up. Well, he was telling me that this corporation was telling him that if he sues them, they're going to drag it out in court later, like, and they're going to use every legal loophole they can in order to, like, basically destroy his, like, dad who's in poor health. And that's just that story seemed like super compelling. I was like, one, I use crazy legal loopholes, you know, so I was like, if they're using crazy legal loopholes for bad, and I use crazy legal loopholes for good, this will be the perfect battle, you know. And so that was my thinking going into it. But did you even, did it seem like when you were entering to this, they would get this extreme? I don't know. I just tried like 20 or 30 videos all at once. And about half the videos, I would, I thought there was going to be like super extreme. You know, and I show up. And then I'm like, okay, let's take down these bad guys. And it turns out they're like not bad or like there was a misunderstanding or something. So I was about like half the videos. And then, like, this was just one of the ones where it was like, I showed up and I'm like, okay, let's hear their side, you know, like it's just going to store and be nice with them. And within 10 seconds of me being at the stores, get out of recalling the cops, like, I don't know. If you want your legos back, like, like they're harassing us and it was, so like I tried to give them an opportunity to be the good guys, you know, and they didn't take it with the audio. Like they could have, I could have just moved on to a different video, like all the other videos, you know, but they, it seemed like they wanted me to make a video on this. By the way, they treated me, you know, yeah, they, they expanded this into this whole almost like a morality battle. They were giving me as a YouTuber, they're giving me like the perfect content. I guess exactly what I want for a story, you know, so yeah, it seems like, by the way, they acted, it's almost as if they wanted this to happen, you know, how was the jail when you were in jail? How was it? How was that experience? That was pretty fun. Yeah, they're been in jail before. So, um, I like your positive attitude. This is awesome. This would be devastating. I was 42 years old. I couldn't sleep on a cot, man. I'm fucking out of sad because I was only in Utah for like four or five days and we had all these like cool things we wanted to do. So it was a little sad being like, just sitting in a jail for like eight to 10 hours, just being like, well, I guess I spent all this money on all these props, you know, and I guess I can't do this. These ideas anymore. So I was sad. But like the actual jail part was like fun, like it was like a cool, like I just like doing things I've ever done before, like, like trying something new every day, you know, so I was like, yeah, something new. Um, I guess if I was in jail for like five or six days and that would suck because it's like, okay, now I'm not doing anything new. I'm just doing the same thing over. That would suck. Yes. But the fact that I was only there for one day was like, perfect, you know, it's like, I get to try a new thing and then, oh yeah, you got your experience of the game and leave. But it's like, did you notice like, in your travel, in your travels and all this kind of shit? Like, when you bumped into this sort of like, Mormon hand of the police, what was the distinct difference? Like, is there a difference between, like when you wandered in this scenario? Like, does it, 'cause to me, Mormon world is its own universe. They don't really like to have us go inside. They don't want us in there. - That's what it felt, yeah, it felt like, oh, I'm able to verify everything with evidence, but they don't like the fact that I'm here. And I want to say, Mormons didn't like the fact that I was here, everyone happened to be Mormon, that didn't like the fact that I was there. Whether or not that's the case tonight, I don't know. - What I find is that they whitewash quite often when Mormonism is involved because of how much money. - Yeah, but I'm also white too, so. - Yeah, but literally, I think that they cover up when Mormonism is involved in criminality. Like, specifically, I've noticed every single time I've covered cult leaders, murderers, family annihilators, they're all happening to be Mormon. They always kind of leave that out. And they kind of like, 'cause there's somebody. - It is, it's weird. - Yeah, which is so weird 'cause Mormons are supposed to be nice. And there's actually, it's crazy, 'cause a lot of Mormons are actually, I'd say the majority of Mormons are on my side, actually right now. - Yeah. - And there was a Mormon protest and I showed up in disguise and I was like, how long can I last before people realized what I am? But they did a whole Mormon protest against the police for what they're doing. So, in a bunch of very nice Mormon showed up who seemed very reasonable, that we're like, this is not what Mormonism stands for. And, but it is so strange that so many Mormons too though are defending this. Like, I'm not gonna get too much in the details for like, primacy reasons, but one of the guys that was at the raid, his wife might be divorcing him because, like, the Mormon police are against him. And because of that, he must be doing something bad. Even though, and she won't even watch the videos because all her Mormon friends are like, don't watch this. This is anti-Mormon propaganda, you know? And so, they can't even watch my video. And so, they might be getting a, he's not Mormon, but she's Mormon. And so, like, it seems like they're getting a divorce because of, he got arrested by the Mormon police. So, because of that, it's like, oh, well, if the Mormon police are against, you must be have done something bad. And she's like, we'll just watch the video and we'll explain everything. And she's like, why can't, that's anti-Mormon propaganda. And she's like, he's like, no, a bunch of Mormons are actually like loving this. Like, look at this Mormon podcast. He was like, the Mormons are praising this. And she's still like, no, it's anti-Mormon propaganda. (laughing) - That's kind of funny though. - That's what happens, man. It's weird, it's weird how it crates his blinders. I want, so now, so they had created a way out, right? Wasn't there a way out of the situation for a hot second where they were gonna try to, there was some kind of settlement and then the, and then it just, not how it didn't happen, correct? - There was like, probably at least like 35 to 36 ways out by now, I'd say. - Yes. - Right now, I am starting to make the ways out slightly harder. So right now, their way out is now they have to do the chicken dance, so it's harder than, before it was just give back the legos, now it's give back the legos and do the chicken dance. I think next month we're gonna upgrade it to the American Forks Police has to rename American Fork, like, reckless Ben Town or something. So each month, so we're starting to give them ways out, but each month is just gonna get slightly harder and harder. You know, so it's like, if you wanna do that stuff now, it's the easy way, it's just gonna get harder and harder the longer they wait, you know. - So they put a gag on order on you. They've arrested you, they've searched you, they just said, and they are still, we are still at 0.0. - So they finally took the gag order off, our lawyers contacted their lawyers, and we're basically like, hey, like, if I'm not able to talk, like, they told, like, I don't know what you're on to say in Netflix, but they said I was in a bomb, they're building up the first- - Yeah, you were, yeah. - The first time, shit, yeah. And obviously I never said anything like that, so basically we said, because you lied to get me silenced, that's like super illegal on their part, you know, and they're gonna have to be, for every day I'm silenced, they're gonna have to pay damages. So like, we can report a lot of damages, like, we were going like this, and then the minute my gag order hits, we go like this, you know? So they're technically responsible for every day I'm silenced, because they lied to silenced me, and we can prove their lies with proof and evidence. So it's basically a slam dunk case we have against them, and I guess they're lawyers after that got super desperate, and we're like begging the judge, like, please give 'em this freedom of speech back, like we don't want to be responsible for these damages, and so they give us our, so we revised the restraining order, basically everything is still in there, just freedom of speech back. So some of it's still kind of bogus, but. - So eventually, you just can't go there anymore, right? Like you can't go to any brick committee figs, you can't go talk to those guys anymore? - Yeah, I can't take a picture of the, so I can't be 300 feet away, but I also can't be 400 feet away and take a picture of their building. It says also a no go, there's some other stuff, but at least I can talk about them, which is good. That's like the main thing I wanted back was like, just talking about 'em. - So Brandon, best and Josh Johnson, are they still like, they're still the main, kind of, what do you say? I'm not gonna say villain, but they're the main like source still, right, of the issues, or are they kind of, are they out of the picture now, is it all bricks and minifigs corporate? - I don't know, so bricks and minifigs corporate would hire Josh and Brandon to do what's called franchise churning, which is where you take, have a small business owner build up a franchise, and then you steal that franchise from them and you take it as your own, you screw them over it and now we profit a whole, like half million dollars or whatever, you know, it's called franchise churning and Brandon and Josh were the ones that would go and take over the, like do the hostile takeovers, is what they call it. And so this doesn't happen more than once. - Oh, yeah, there's like, at least like 10 people who've personally reached out to me, probably more that haven't reached out to me yet, but. - So bricks and minifigs has literally done this multiple times in terms of this concept of, I've never heard the term franchise churning before. - And this isn't proven yet, so I know, I know, I know, you're fine. - Blame their franchise churning, but the theory is that, this is a big part of their business model, is having small business owners build up a business, you steal the business from them, and then you give it out, that's what the theory is right now. - Got it. - Hopefully in the fourth episode, we can prove that, I guess, that's what we're working on. - So that is, but that's really cool. So when you do stuff like this, so like with your videos and all this kind of stuff, can that actually be used in court after the fact? - Yeah, they're using it against us, and we're using it in court against them. - Got it. - They're like, look at all the shenanigans they did. That's why they should get arrested. And we're saying, look at all the evidence we found. Let's just take them down, you know? - So where is Brian Mansell now? Like where is this situation as it stands right now? But I mean, like it's really like, (laughing) Where does it stand now? Like in terms of like, there's still no, there's no, - Oh, they're stilling him for probably $10 million minimum. - They're still in Brian too. - Well, yeah, 'cause well, they only got like, what was that collection worth? Like the high value could have been from like $150,000 to $200,000. That's not enough money for bricks and beef. They need like $10 million from him. You think they're gonna stop it 200,000? - He has no money from an innocent man. You think they're gonna stop it robbing an innocent man at $200,000. They need way more than that from innocent people. - Tell me about it. I know, I get it. Believe me, I wish I could extricate $2 million from every single vulnerable person I could. I wish I could, but I don't have God's mandate. - Yeah, no, they need way more than that. Like our videos are destroyed. There's much ways they can from the innocent people they stole from. - Because it's so funny to me, 'cause this all comes from the most innocent world of stupid ass Legos. - Yeah. Well, yeah, I think Legos is just kind of the front of it. - Yeah, sure. - I think Legos is not, I don't think Legos happy about this. - Yeah, I probably not. They haven't made any comments about it, which is crazy, but they're kind of just staying out of everything. I think they have the perfect opportunity to capitalize on it, actually. I think if they just said that what bricks and beef is doing is wrong, people, this would be a great advertisement for Legos, you know, because now so many people that have never been interested in Legos are now like interested. I think this could be like the biggest Lego brand deal ever, you know? - Seriously, they're just choosing not to say anything, which is a little strange, I guess. - 'Cause bricks and many figs literally has nothing to do with, with giant, with big Legos. - Yeah, it's like GameStop having nothing to do with Nintendo. You know, they just resell Nintendo stuff. - So you guys, 'cause I know the last video, so the last video you came out, it's already, like it's fucking huge. You're already putting on all this like evidence. So I'm like now, like, do, is the goal now is like, oh, we're going to the fucking end of the end of the end of this. - I mean, probably, like, it's been a net positive for me, so why would I quit, you know? - Exactly. - It's been a net negative for bricks and many figs, so I could see why they would want to do the chicken dance and get out of this. But, they don't seem to buy some pretty high up people that they are never going to do the chicken dance. So it's, do the chicken dance or destroy your $400 million company, which ones worse? I don't know, some pretty high up people have told me that both options seem equally as bad for bricks and many figs. - It does seem, it does seem bad. Do you have people come and do free legal work for you? - No, I have been watching, so actually kind of now, there's a lot of like log channels, like legal eagles. - Like, there's probably like 10 different log channels that have been covering this that have been doing a really good job, so I just watched their videos and I feel like I can get free legal advice, which is nice. - Cool, how do you feel? How do you feel as a dude? Like I know you were talking about, you've been traveling like crazy and stuff, like has this changed your day to day? - From before. - No, not really, before my day would be like, I wake up, edit, go to sleep, and like film, and then right now I just wake up, film, edit, go to sleep. But it's pretty much the same. - Got. - I guess I have been, I try to watch like one or two videos when I, when I wake up just to see what the new updates are, you know, 'cause all those channels kind of like, dig in and find stuff that I don't even find, which is awesome. - That's so fun. - I try and watch like one legal video a day and one drama video, like when I wake up, you know? And then, and then besides that, the rest of my day is the same. So. - Have you tried getting on any other big shows? Are you gonna be like, do people want you around? Like everyone's afraid, are people afraid of the Mormon Church? - No, people aren't afraid. I don't know, I've been, I've been on a lot of podcasts and stuff. A lot of it was runs on the gag orders I couldn't talk about them, but then we just would post it afterwards. But. - Well, you know, the Mormon sit on the thing called, what they call their rainy day fund, which is about $100 billion surplus that they sell. - Yeah. So. - It's for when Jesus comes back, I think. - But my question, Ben, is if everybody's dead, why do they need money? - I don't know, I'm not Mormon. I feel like they don't have an answer for you, but I don't know. - Why have you this money? Why have this money in a post-money world? - I feel like the Mormon, I feel like the Mormons would love to answer that for you. - I don't know, I could just see like the Mormon podcast. I was on a financial, they'd be like super excited like, I could answer that. (laughing) - I don't know, I've been studied it, I don't know. - Did you meet any fine Mormon ladies? So we're like, please get me out of this and bring me to California. - No, I think they're all pretty happy being Mormon. I don't know. There was a couple, yeah, there was a bunch of Mormon girls at the protest, or the protest we were at, but yeah, it seems pretty happy to be Mormon, I guess. - Yeah, it's weird, right? Because I do think that in many ways, for a man being a Mormon, it's fantastic. You get-- - Really? - Oh, yes, you get, one of the secret things that also within the Mormon communities is how if you're a man of a certain standing with a certain family, you just get a job, dude. You just walk, they just take care of you. They're super, super as you can see. They're very concerned about money and making money and building businesses. It's a part of their religious views, is the idea of-- - Guess why some of them will make like scam businesses, because there's like such a high pressure for them to be successful, that if they don't have the skills to be successful, they turn to scams, I guess. - I think that you just hit upon a central tenant of the Mormon mind, which is that exact thing, which is that you have tripped into-- - That's so sad. - No, it is. It is an entire-- - Is there such a pressure for them to be successful that if someone's just like stupid, that it can't be successful, it is like, oh, I have to turn to scamming, you know? - Exactly, because it is about that, if there is a celebration of this central patriarch being a businessman, a family leader, a lot of pressure. The woman, unfortunately, is like a passenger. She's kind of kept like a pet that's got to make babies, right? And so on some levels, for ladies, they don't get a lot of say at all. The men get all the say, they get all the stuff, they essentially get handed a wife, and a job, and a whole lifestyle, but exactly if they can't keep up, the rest of them will bury them. - Oh no, all the things are connecting out. Because that was my biggest question, is like, why would a Mormon lie in steel, but now it's kind of making sense? - It is about, I do think that that's the ideas that it's ordered to look powerful to the others. And you have arrived as a young man with this confidence into their very, very controlled world. - Dang, yeah, it definitely didn't like me showing up serving the court papers or making a go fund me. That was a no-go for them. I think they have something called a crowd fund meitis, which is what I think they might have. It's basically like the fear of go fund mes, and I think they have that in American fork police. It's such that it's like really rare. Like not many people have, like almost like no one has it, but it's weird that like someone in a police department, it's just unfortunate that someone in a police department would have that condition, you know? - Well, you know why? It's 'cause they sit on a bunch of commas, and then they don't like anybody being able to catch up. - Yeah. - You know, that's what they would like. They don't want you to show up with the ability to defend yourself because they're really used to having total control over the area. And no one goes there. Who the fuck goes to American fork? - Yeah, it's just a small little neighborhood, yeah. - Yeah, why would you go? - It's like everyone knows each other, yeah. - Yeah, why would you, as a human? Where are you, can I, like, are you, L.A., are you Kelly or New York? - Yeah, Los Angeles, yeah. - It's like, also, yeah. - When would you go to LA for like, - Yeah, L.A. is also known for like, like defund the police in like, we're like atheists, you know, and that's like the stereotype of L.A. So the police officers see like, all this defund the police stuff going on in LA, all these riots and stuff. And they're like, oh, L.A. is probably a bunch of hooligans. Someone from L.A. is gonna come and tell our, our high up Mormon friends how to do business. I don't know, yeah. - Well, I'm proud, man. I'm proud of you, dude. This is hard. But so now the next steps are, so what are these next, I mean, you were just saying, you're making continuing to make videos. You believe that maybe, you don't know. But in your next video, we're gonna get to some action. - Yeah, so the first and second video where like, pretty adventurous, I'd like to say, and then the third video was kind of more like, classroom vibes. I like to call it where you're just kind of like, learning facts, you know, it wasn't. I don't know. I just thought there was a bunch of important information. It was hard to like, turn it into an adventure. And at this point, I was like gagged and stuff and restraining orders and troubles. So I was like, how do I just wanna make a video just getting this information out there? And then the fourth video, we're going on another crazy event. I think it's gonna be the craziest video in the whole series. I always like to like end. It might be the last video, I don't know. But if they do the right thing, we'll see. If not, we'll just still keep going, which I hope we keep going. But if there's so many things, it's smart. They'll make this last video. But I do like to make like, if you watch for my other series, it's always kind of like, it's good. And then the last video is always like, there's always like a video like towards the end, which is like an absolute banger. And that's what this video, I think this one's gonna be the best one in the whole series. This is gonna be amazing. - Okay, I can't wait to see you, man. So go check out Reckless Ben YouTube. It just Reckless Ben, right? - Yeah, that's right, make sure they know that. I, I support you, bro. I support you from here. - Oh, thanks. - You have a Satanist fellow in LA that will do anything. If you ever need, I'll also say straight up, you need information about the Mormon church. I can give you quite a bit, if you never want to deal with it. If you, if you want to know what the hell you're, you might be dealing with. Or if you come across this in the future, 'cause these guys are completely insane. That's the thing about them. No one on things don't understand about Mormons. Also, big thing is massively arrogant. - Really? - Mormons have what we, it's a Mormon ego, which is we're above everybody else. - I definitely felt that, yeah. I don't know if all Mormons are like that, but the Mormons I dealt with, like the police and the Josh and Brett. They're like thieves and liars, but they still feel like, oh, I'm more important, I'm more special than you guys. It's like, why, like shouldn't thieves and liars be like below that? I don't know. - Well, they're doing it for God. It's like guys, 'cause they used to have also, they used to have a blood mandate. So they used to believe, there was like a whole section of Mormonism where they believe that to save your soul, they can kill you and absolve you of your sins. For it's called blood atonement, and that they do it to help you. - Dang. - Not all of them. - That's crazy. - But there's a whole chunk of them. There was like a whole line of Mormons and it depends on whether or not it's real or not. They were considered like the heavy proletariat guard that would do fucked up shit for the main Mormons. - Dang. - So I, you know, thankfully, I think where you truly where you were was very, you were in cute Mormonity, which is good. - Yeah, yeah. - I think it's good for you. You were in cute Mormonity and they didn't understand. And that's why they're doing all the legal stuff, you know? - Yeah, it's great for footage. I love how insane this has gotten. They just keep like making up lies about me. And I think it's great, 'cause I have all the footage to prove my innocence. I'm like not scared at all, you know? It's like funny. It's like why it wins this without a lawyer first? 'Cause I was like, I don't even need a lawyer. Like I have all the footage to prove myself. And then I saw how they were like, oh, we can't even watch the footage. Like, this footage is incredible. Like, well, first of all, we didn't watch the footage. I'm like, well, here's the footage. Like, even if we do watch it, it's still not credible. I'm like, we haven't even watched it. How do you know it's not credible? If you haven't watched it, it shows everything. And they're like, yeah, but we, and so I'm like, okay. Maybe now it's time to get a lawyer involved, so. - Maybe. - So I thought it was gonna be as easy as, Like, I thought the legal system was as easy as like, okay, here's what's being claimed to be about you. If the evidence shows that's all alive, then you're innocent. That's what I thought. But see, what they can do is, yes, because what they can do then is because if they have way more money, they can just push and push and push. The goal is to make it so it never gets to the point where the evidence is presented. Yeah. What I found out in court is it's not who is right, it's who has more money. That's who wins. Who's innocent, who's guilty doesn't really matter. What matters is who has more money and who has less money. That's what matters in court. Yes. And did you do get access to that go fund me or no? So right now, it's sitting in a legal trust that Brian set up, so that's all for Brian. Great. Good. And he's only going to use, well, he's very adamant on the fact that he's only once what was wrongfully taken from him and once he's made whole, he doesn't want to profit from this because he has a job, you know, he's doing well for himself. He only, like he's, I mean, he's not doing like, well, but he's, he's doing good, you know. Yeah. He lived in Utah. He's fine. You know, I mean, terms of money. He's okay. You know, he only wants to make what was wrongfully taken from him. He doesn't want to profit from this. He doesn't want to become famous off of this. He doesn't want to make money off of this. He just wants to go back to before this even happened. You know, like the situation he was in before this happened, that's what he wants, you know. Yeah. I get it. I get it because this is no, any real Mormon doesn't like all the strama. They just want to go back to their lot. They just want to have a nice life. Most people want to have it. Well, Brian's not Mormon, but he's not Mormon, right? He's just kind of living there. No, he's not even living there. He's in Oregon. Oh, shit. That's right. They, they went to Utah. Yeah. He has nothing to do with Mormons or anything. He's just fucking poor guy. He's just a dude. Jesus Christ. Well, I wish you luck, man. And we're going to be following the story and we're going to be following the fourth episode. We're going to be talking about it. And I'd love to have you back in a few times to talk shit. So we, yeah. Next time I'll be more than on three hours of sleep, just waking up, obviously. Normally, it's the opposite. I feel like this is like the highest energy podcasts I've been on and I'm like the lowest energy I've ever been on. Normally, it's like I'm the high energy person. Everyone else is just like super chill like. So what happened with these Mormons? And I'm like, I feel like the role is reversed on this podcast. It's going to funny. That's my job. I, um, I'm just filled with rage, okay, man, I'm just filled with the power of pure rage, pure 42 year old band rage. And you'll get there when you feel this anger, God help you. God fucking help you, young man, because when you're here, you better be ready. That's why I'm, I'm deadlifted. Oh, nice. Yeah. So like a punch. My goal is to attack dead lifting is with your feet. You can kick with the dead lifts, right? I jump. Yeah. We mix. Jump on top of them. Yep. That's my goal. Get on the show. I heard like leg days actually the most important for your upper body too, because it builds the most testosterone. So if you want your upper body to look big, don't skip leg days, that's what I heard actually. And then it's one of the best pieces of advice I've heard all day. And you could take that and put it because it's true because I love leg day now. I love it. Yeah. No, it actually makes your upper, it builds testosterone, which then in like indirectly helps your upper body too. No, I'm more manly than I've ever been. I'm, I'm rock hard right now. Oh, nice. That's just because I love podcasting. And I just want to say for Eggless band man, thank you so fucking much for talking to me dude. And we are going to be covering this. So nice. Sweet. Thanks for having me on. This is sick. Of course. Thank you. Hail Satan. God bless.