'Sicario' With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

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Dr. Bill Simmons: All right, Rewatchables Live. We're just talking basketball here, 3:00 PM Pacific time. I'm Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessy, and it is CR month. This is happening. CR, you got your own month. People thought like you're either leaving the ring or dying and neither. You're healthy. Dr. Chris Ryan: No, you just love me. Dr. Bill Simmons: You're healthy. You're here. You've been pushing for these movies for a long time. That's Chris Ryan. You can find him on the watch. That is Sean Fennessy from the big picture. We've been doing the Rewatchables since 2017. This is our first live podcast, right? Dr. Chris Ryan: Yeah, I think so. Dr. Bill Simmons: On Netflix, yeah, for sure. Dr. Chris Ryan: All right, here's the part where I awkwardly throw the break, and then we'll be back in one second. This episode of the Rewatchables is presented by TikTok. The online world moves fast. That's why TikTok approaches teen safety with families in mind. From the start on TikTok, teens get over 50 built-in protections right when they join. Their accounts start private by default. For those under 16, direct messages are turned off. Only friends can comment on their videos. When safety comes first, discovery can follow. Learn more at TikTok.com/guardiansguide. Dr. Chris Ryan: Sicario is a 2015 American action crime thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve. Dr. Chris Ryan: Yes. Dr. Chris Ryan: Written by Taylor Sheridan and his screenwriting debut and starring Emily Blunt, Benicio del Toro, and Josh Brolin. I got that off of Wikipedia. Dr. Chris Ryan: C.R., you love this movie. Dr. C.R.: I adore this movie. Dr. Chris Ryan: You blogged about it for the dearly departed Grantland in September of 2015, one of your best pieces of work. Dr. C.R.: Thanks. Dr. Chris Ryan: You have been advocating for this for the Rewatchables for some time. It finished 41st on my most Rewatchable movies of the 21st century's ranking, which caused you to jostle angrily in your seat and wonder if it was a bit. Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. Chris Ryan: I've watched it three times since. I probably would move it up now. Dr. C.R.: Top 30? Dr. C.R.: Yeah, maybe. Dr. C.R.: Higher or lower than 16? Dr. C.R.: A Limitless is higher. Dr. C.R.: I've watched it. Dr. Chris Ryan: You think Limitless is better than Sicario? Dr. C.R.: A Limitless probably is top 12 at this point. Dr. C.R.: What is it about this movie, C.R.? Dr. C.R.: This movie just engages every part of my movie-watching brain. Dr. C.R.: Every frame of every shot of every scene is interesting to look at. Dr. C.R.: The story, the dialogue, the themes are deeply fascinating to watch play out. Dr. C.R.: All of the performances are unique and wonderful, but even though they are expressing Dr. C.R.: an individual performance, Dr. C.R.: they are all in sync and in tune with each other. Dr. C.R.: It's just a perfect movie to me. Dr. C.R.: You're a big fan of Dallas Villanova, the director. Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. C.R.: Dallas Villanova. Dr. C.R.: Yeah, Jimmy Vils, one of my favorite filmmakers. Dr. C.R.: Davey. Dr. C.R.: Yeah, he's got a name like an Islanders forward circa 1983. Dr. C.R.: He knew Guy Lafleur. Dr. C.R.: He liked to muck it up in the corners. Dr. C.R.: He's a little bit Ridley Scott, a little bit Stanley Kubrick. Dr. C.R.: He's a really nice little mixture of filmmakers. Dr. C.R.: He's a filmmaker for me. Dr. C.R.: I really love his movies. Dr. C.R.: This is by far my favorite of his movies. Dr. C.R.: This is his best movie. Dr. C.R.: It feels more timely than ever. Dr. C.R.: I wrote that one down. Dr. C.R.: Things have been happening in Mexico. Dr. C.R.: Anytime anything happens in Mexico, it's hard not to send your brain back. Dr. C.R.: From a rewatchability standpoint, which is the whole point of this podcast, this movie has a few different entry points. Dr. C.R.: You can just start from the beginning and you're just off for five minutes. Dr. C.R.: You can wait a little later until we're doing the drop off. Dr. C.R.: Or whatever we're trying to do when we're going through border patrol. Dr. C.R.: We could go to the guys descending into darkness as we go into the night goggles Dr. C.R.: in the tunnel. Dr. C.R.: Or you could just watch the end as Del Toro takes out an entire crime lord Dr. C.R.: and his family. Dr. C.R.: Four entry points, C.R. Dr. C.R.: The structure of this movie is pretty fascinating. Dr. C.R.: When I wrote that Grantland piece, I compared Sicario to Apocalypse Now. Dr. C.R.: I liked it. Dr. C.R.: It's our Apocalypse Now. Dr. C.R.: It's a movie of our lifetime about a war that is seemingly never ending that Dr. C.R.: very few people truly understand. Dr. C.R.: It maybe can't be understood, but one of the reasons why I think that that comp Dr. C.R.: holds is the way that it kind of peaks viscerally in the, I think, 31st minute Dr. C.R.: of the movie. Dr. C.R.: And that's not unlike the Flight of the Valkyries scene in Apocalypse Now. Dr. C.R.: And then the rest of the film is much deeper and more contemplative Dr. C.R.: than the rest of the film is just way more contemplative than the beginning of Dr. C.R.: the film. Dr. C.R.: It's way more about this woman learning about the morality and the sense of justice Dr. C.R.: that she's exploring. Dr. C.R.: But do you think that that comparison holds? Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. C.R.: I mean, it's not as epic as Apocalypse Now, but I think it's really smart. Dr. C.R.: I mean, I think it's also, I wrote down that I really like a movie with a debrief Dr. C.R.: where there's like men go into a room and some men have important information Dr. C.R.: and other men don't have that information. Dr. C.R.: And they're being brought into the scheme. Dr. C.R.: And there's a very famous one in Apocalypse Now where Harrison Ford is sitting Dr. C.R.: there quietly as like a menacing officer and Martin Sheen's character is brought Dr. C.R.: in and his mission is explained to him. Dr. C.R.: And it's almost like duplicated perfectly in this movie with the setup where Dr. C.R.: we see Kate, you know, sitting outside of the glass room where Graver and Dr. C.R.: the FBI and the DOD and the CIA people. Dr. C.R.: Yes. Dr. C.R.: And like it's a movie for adults. Dr. C.R.: Like, and I don't mean that in a sexual way, like it's a movie for, like, Dr. C.R.: you wouldn't be nine years old and interested in this movie, really. Dr. C.R.: Yeah, exactly. Dr. C.R.: It's morally complicated. Dr. C.R.: It's about history. Dr. C.R.: It's about like actual contemporary conflict to your point. Dr. C.R.: They're very serious. Dr. C.R.: I don't know if it has quite the same level of like. Dr. C.R.: Mysticism. Dr. C.R.: Like opera. Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. C.R.: That is in Apocalypse Now. Dr. C.R.: You know. Dr. C.R.: Well, it wasn't made by people who were doing drugs and having a heart attack Dr. C.R.: as they were making the film. Dr. C.R.: Dennis Hopper is not in it. Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. C.R.: It's more controlled. Dr. C.R.: Right? Dr. C.R.: And it's tighter. Dr. C.R.: It's two hours. Dr. C.R.: But thematically, the big idea is like going to the scary place. Dr. C.R.: Just going, it's going up the river. Dr. C.R.: It's going through the tunnel. Dr. C.R.: It's arriving on some other side where your view of the world has been completely Dr. C.R.: changed. Dr. C.R.: Well, you left out also you have the Kurtz character. Dr. C.R.: Sure. Dr. C.R.: You did this in your blog. Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. C.R.: Called a blog or an essay? Dr. C.R.: I was just a blog post. Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. C.R.: Just jamming it out. Dr. C.R.: I would have given you an essay. Dr. C.R.: What about Think Peace? Dr. C.R.: Think Peace. Dr. C.R.: But the Kurtz, Del Toro is Kurtz, right? Dr. C.R.: And then Emily Blunt's character just descending into, by the end of the movie, she's just a shivering puddle of just what the hell is going to happen in the rest of her life. Dr. C.R.: That's basically Martin Sheen. Dr. C.R.: Right. Dr. C.R.: In Apocalypse. Dr. C.R.: What's going to happen to him? Dr. C.R.: He's seen too much. Dr. C.R.: Too much has happened. Dr. C.R.: He's lost his mind. Dr. C.R.: And Brolin is a pretty functional Kilgore character, which is the Robert Duvall character in Apocalypse Now, which is a person who seems to almost get like a sensory hive from being in this incredibly chaotic, incredibly violent world. Dr. C.R.: Yeah. Dr. C.R.: Reveling in the mania. Dr. C.R.: One of the things I like about this movie is I probably had to see it multiple times before I fully understood what was happening, because it's really complicated. And even when you get to the FBI, CIA part of it all, what they're trying to do with her, the chess game of bringing her in and the reasons behind that, you're just not going to really get that on the first airing of that. You know what you're going to get though? Probably a lawnmower in the background on our live rewatchables. I'm going to have to send a text about that one. Good times. Dr. C.R.: You want us to Dr. C.R.: Dr. C.R.: We knew anything could happen. Dr. C.R.: This is live. Dr. C.R.: How about a lawnmower? I had lessons from Sicario. Did this for a couple movies. One lesson is to tell the lawnmower guy not to be outside the window. I just do a live pod. Dr. C.R.: If you want to send a text, Sean and I could keep talking. Dr. C.R.: Was that Benicio del Toro on the lawnmower? Dr. C.R.: I might not be my house. Lessons from Sicario. There's no right Dr. C.R.: Only degrees of wrong. Dr. C.R.: Sometimes the ends justify the means, allegedly. Sometimes it's not personal, it's business. I'm sorry. Sometimes it's not business, it's personal. Dr. C.R.: Isn't working when it's really, really personal for the other side. Dr. C.R.: The personal is going to trump the business. Dr. C.R.: Don't expect your movie hero to end up the hero all the time in a movie. Dr. C.R.: This movie sets up the Emily Blunt. Oh, it's going to be her movie and it's just not. Dr. C.R.: By the end of the movie, America is a little more responsible for the drug war than we want to admit. Dr. C.R.: And then finally, you will doubt everything. we do, but in the end you'll understand, which is an actual quote from Alejandro. He says it early in the movie, and that's the key quote from the movie. You will doubt everything we do, but in the end you will understand. Do you think she understood by the end? I think she accepted. I don't know if she understood, but I think she accepted what was going on around her and how she was told to play a part in all of this. Can we talk about Kate? Yeah, let's do it. Is Kate a good character? Kate Mercer? She's a little bit of a cipher, I think. You know, I think that I was thinking about the comparison. I've seen some other folks make it the relationship between Kate and Alejandro like the same as Clarice and Hannibal Lecter. And this idea of like a novice, innocent, idealistic person going and meeting with someone whose experiences will shape her and are the key to unlocking all of the truth of the world. And what happens to that person when you get on the other side. Clarice obviously has like the backstory of her father. There's a little bit more stuff in there about the sexism of the FBI. And Kate kind of moves through this movie more or less like a guy. You know what I mean? I think Taylor Sheridan has talked a lot about like, everybody's like, how did you write such a powerful female character? It's a little bit of a back pat for him, but I think that she's a good character. She's not a deep character. He back patted himself on that? No, but he was just like, I think that he was saying that when he first was pitching this script, a lot of producers or some producers were like, great, can you make Kate a man? And we'll cast this person as Kate. Yeah. If this can be Chris Pine, we're good to go. If you call him Kate. It just sounds a little Trump-esque where he's like, a lot of people are saying this is a really powerful character. Yeah, they flipped the Clarice Starling thing on us, which makes me think Silence of the Lambs actually weirdly helps this movie. Because you're watching and you're like, oh, this is the Clarice. She's going to come in here and it's actually not that. And she's just going to get broken down and be questioning all of her professional decisions by the end of it. I have a bunch of stuff to go through here. The first one is that it was released on September 19, 2015. Same weekend as The Martian. We really knew what we were doing 10 years ago, guys. I mean, you're in my what's age the worst right now. The Martian and Robert Zemeckis' The Walk were released on the same day, which means three original adult dramas opened wide against one another in 2015. That would never happen today. I forgot about The Walk. I don't even think I ended up seeing it. I mean, it turned out to be a dud, but that was like, it's a big movie. You know, it's a remake of a documentary about a famous event that happened. I forgot about that. The Martian and Sicario are really good comparisons, too, of my favorite kind of movie, which is basically it's like he, it's like Training Day. It's like Primal Fear or The Firm, where you go in expecting a baseline, like, floor of an experience because it's a genre that you like. And then if you get somebody like Ridley Scott or Denis Villeneuve or Christopher Nolan or Michael Mann directing one of those movies, like, that pop that you feel when you're like, oh, shit. This is going to be even better than just okay. Like, this could be great and you're watching it. Like, I think I saw Sicario, like, immediately twice in the theater, which I only do with movies like this. Oh, you doubled up? Yeah. I think it was like a real, like, I have to go back, like, in a day or two. Craig, you were 19 in 2015? Yeah. So, did you use Sicario or Martian? Martian. Yeah. I think Martian kind of blew it out of the water a little bit. Did you see Sicario in the theaters? I did. I saw them both, but Martian was the one to go out and see first. It was a more commercial movie. It was a much bigger hit. Yeah. Also, like, at the time, nobody really knew the director. We just knew him from Prisoners. Like, for actual mainstream movies. Sure. It was Matt Damon in Space versus a gritty movie about the drug cartel. Yeah. In the moment, it was easy to choose Martian. Also, it was a movie with stars, but they weren't stars. They were, like, that next level down. Almost like putting together a really good basketball team without a franchise guy. It was Emily Blunt, Josh Brolin, Del Toro. Yeah. Daniel Kaluuya. Nobody knew who he was at that point, but it's all Bernthal, who was, like, the Walking Dead guy at that point. But this is how. Because, like, very smart they cast. It's the kind of movie that makes stars in a way. Yeah. You know, like, obviously Del Toro was extremely well-known and had already won an Oscar, but was a perfect use of him. Brolin, you know, had been a part of big movies to that point. You never would be, like, A-plus movie star, but. This is, like, Brolin going to another level right here, which is this, Everest, and he does the cameo at the end of Avengers this year. Right. And so he becomes Thanos and a giant movie star. Whereas, I think, from no country, on, it had been, like, wow, Josh Brolin's, like, really good, and, like, you should have. Like, he should be in your movie, and he's an American gangster and milk and stuff like that. But, like, this is when he starts just going to another level. This movie did not get nominated for Best Picture. I don't think it was even ever really under consideration. Spotlight won it. Big Short, Bridge of Spies, Brooklyn, Mad Max, Fear Road, The Martian, The Revenant, and Room. Good movie here. Famously a pretty interesting slate, and the Spotlight won that year. But, like, maybe everybody feels like Mad Max Fear Road was kind of the way to go. Yeah. This year, that year, ultimately. What a great movie year. It was a good year. You know why Spotlight won? This is what I heard. Because they do! They do! Taylor Sheridan, first screenplay ever. He's a frustrated actor. Kicks off one of the most impactful and lucrative 11-plus year screenwriting runs anyone's ever had. Amazing what-if here, because you know, Sheridan, famously, like, kind of frustrated character actor, had been on, like, Sons of Anarchy and stuff, and wanted to write his own material. This is an amazing first script. I read the script. It's pretty different. And not so much in tone. The story and the dialogue is all in the script. They cut so much. And that is something that I imagine would not happen today, if Taylor Sheridan was writing a feature film. I would imagine that he would be like, the condition is you shoot this script as is. Well, we should talk about that, because this is the key thing that happened Or it turns into a 10-episode season. Or there's more dialogue. Yeah, it just turns into lioness. Yeah, they just, even for Del Toro's character, the director cut 90% of the dialogue he was supposed to say, because they decided as they're making the movie, it's actually better if he's a little more mysterious, and it's the best decision they made. Incredible decision. His character, all the little stuff, I think this is one of the reasons this movie's so rewatchable and so good. All the little things they do to set you up. There's a lot of, like, show-don't-tell stuff. You could teach him screenwriting classes. That nightmare that he has in the plane is so important. That could also have been a scene where he's like, yeah, 20 years ago, and he just tells this sob story. In the screenplay, you see the dream. In the screenplay, his dream is shown. Really? Yeah. In the screenplay, the movie opens with a VO of Alejandro talking about Mexico. There's so much more stuff in the script. It's an interesting document to read. It's pretty widely available on Google, online. Sounds like you like this movie, CR. I do. Dude, this is a really good bit from Villeneuve about the screenplay and working with Del Toro. Villeneuve said, dialogue for me is theater. An art for the stage. Cinema is not about dialogue. It's about images and moments and present tense. Benicio can convey way more by the way he breathes in front of the camera than any line. The way he portrays tension, the way you feel when you see him. So much of this movie that's successful in parts that I remember. Are all like a gesture Brolin will make when he's just too dramatically overreact. And he just kind of puts his hands out a little bit. And it's like, the hands make it. The pairing it back is what makes it. I would also take it one step further and say that the movie is not really very interested in psychologizing any of its characters. It is not really about explaining backstory, but it's also not even about saying, what could have happened to this person that made them this way? We know specifically that Del Toro's character has that, and that's the motivating thing. The first time you watch the movie, you're not like where I land on the movie, which is that this is Benicio Del Toro's movie. Like, that he is the titular character. It is about him. And even though Emily Blunt is our perspective character, it's not about her. She's just caught. Yeah, it's pretty rare to have a POV character that's not the hero, I think. You know? You could say there's a theory with this that she's kind of the audience of the movie, and you're in introduced to all this stuff through her, but ultimately she can't do anything, and you're in the audience. Yeah, I think that's right. I don't mind that theory. It's a really good structure for the movie and really smart, and I feel like carving away a lot of Alejandro's dialogue makes that actually more coherent as an idea. Because if he's talking a lot and is doing VO and stuff, then you're like, okay, so we're watching a Benicio Del Toro movie where this woman gets involved in his world. As opposed to a third or two-thirds of the way through the movie, you're like, oh, so we're on Alejandro's mission. He is like the change agent inside the movie. I remember watching it the first time being very confused. Sure. Maybe like a halfway point, and now when you watch it again, you see all the intention, but it's one of those things where you're right. Sheridan didn't have the power back then to say do my movie the way that you want. You know, I'm not as big a fan of Sheridan's TV shows in part because I feel like he kind of can't get out of his own way sometimes with explaining what he thinks about something. Well, he's gotten to the point that very few writers ever have, where it's just like he runs I mean, movie-making is new to me. not a screenwriter's business. TV is. But even TV writers don't have the kind of carte blanche that he seems to when it comes to dictating like, yeah, we're going to do 10 hours. We're going to have. Like, if you watch Lioness, Lioness has set pieces that are as expensive as the ones that are in Sicario. Once Sheridan figured out how to microdose the Limitless drug, it was fucking off for that dude. He's running out of pills Do you think he has Limitless higher than 16? There's no question. I think one. So you think it's. You think it's Kate's movie because Kate's the. In the first scene and we're with her the whole time we're following her and the structure of that. Goldman used. Goldman had a thing about this when he did The Saving Private Ryan. The movie starts with Matt Damon's character going to the cemetery and then the flashback and it flashes back to things he couldn't have known because he wasn't there. Yeah. And it's like the diehard screenwriters, some of them were like, you can't bend the rules like that. Because if you're telling the movie through the eyes of somebody you can't then just shift it the other way. That's basically what they do with this. This is also like a rule within mystery storytelling where you have to make a decision whether or not you want the audience to know as much as a character or more than a character. And so, Sicario kind of plays with that a little bit because midway through the movie pretty much when Kate goes to the bar with Reg and that's when the burn ball scene we sort of start watching Kate the way that Kate was watching Alejandro earlier in the movie and there's even camera moves that kind of suggest that where it kind of shifts POV to Alejandro and it becomes his mission and the second half of the movie is really about getting Alejandro to Fausto and all the things that they're going to do to get him through that tunnel and into that car and into that house. What's your del Toro relationship? That's a good question. Usual suspects, I guess? He really slides under the radar. He's I know. Two levels below a famous star. Definitely. You're never upset to see him in a movie. He elevates every movie he's in. He won for traffic. I mean, right? Like he's he's a he's he's a face and an acting style that is not not really in vogue. You know, it's like a weathered older face a very kind of minimal acting style that's a lot about being quiet and a lot about looks and a lot about gestures. A lot of staring. He's a very, very good starer. And, you know, like a lot of our big actors now are like kind of glib one-liner machines and he's not like that. He doesn't want to do that. I actually have a little del Toro game for you. Okay. Did you name the game? We've never done this on Rewatchables. Yeah, every decade. If you have at least four straight decades with a banger. So he's got usual suspects of the 90s traffic 2000s Sicario 2010s and then one battle this decade. Yeah. Four in a row. And it's like, oh, a lot of people have that. You'd be surprised. Like even if you go to Denzel, where it's like Crimson Tide 90s, we'll give him that. Man on Fire or Training Day in the 2000s. 2010s Flight Equalizer. Now we get to the 20s and it's like, all right, Equalizer 3. Kind of out. He's just not really a movie star. No. He's like a grade A movie actor. But crucial to all of those movies, even though he wasn't the quarterback of the movie. Yeah. I mean, I worship him. I think he is like one of the most interesting and daring actors and he is a rare case where you hear a lot of stories about movie stars who get on set and they're like, I'm not doing that and they seem like assholes. And Benicio is very famous for reading scripts, calling filmmakers and saying like, here's what I think this is. This is what my gut tells me. And Paul Thomas Anderson and Leonardo DiCaprio have been very open in promoting one battle after another about how much Benicio changed what they intended to do with that movie. Yeah. That the whole Underground Railroad, period, in that movie. Back and cross stuff. All that stuff that he came up with and worked out with PTA, basically when he arrived on set because he had no time to prepare because he came right from the Phoenician scheme. And they just like kind of improvised it in a period of days and it's the absolute heartbeat of the movie. And if that stuff isn't in the movie, the movie isn't nearly what we feel like it is and that is like literally him kind of acting as a writer and coming up with all those ideas for his character. The Sicario stuff is clearly very similar where he and Denis were like, this guy shouldn't talk. And, by him not talking, but then he gets like seven lines of dialogue that are the most memorable lines of dialogue in the movie and he gets to do the coolest shit. Every line he says is memorable and even every line he says that's memorable is like what he says, the last line he has to Kate, the last line he says to Fausto, you're like, I'm gonna remember that for the rest of my life. Like when he's- Craig, you remind me of my son. He drops that twice on her. It's like his only way to really have a human interaction with anybody. You're asking me how a watch works. You know, like that stuff is just so- because he doesn't talk that much in the movie. To find him would be to find a vaccine. Yeah. Five Decaders. This is the finals. De Niro. Godfather 2. Midnight Run. Heat. Meet the Parents. And Limitless. Sure. Limitless counts. Counts for me. Not the Irishman? I'll give you the Irishman if you want to do the Irishman. Killers of the Fire and Moon? Fine. Cruise. Top Gun. Jerry Maguire. Collateral. Edge of Tomorrow. Maverick. Pretty tough to beat. That's good. Yeah. It's a five banger. Five decades of bangers for Cruise. We'll see if he can get to six. Anybody else? Meryl? You know, Pacino. The 2000s are rough for Pacino. You really have to squeeze two for the money in there. What's his 80s pick? Scarface. Oh, right. That's 80. Okay. And then Stallone has Rocky, First Blood, Cliffhanger. 2000s are Dicey and then Creed. But 2000s falls apart a little bit. 2000s, what is it? Like Daylight? It's sad how much time I spent researching this. Stallone makes it before Meryl, though. Well, Meryl would have Kramer versus Kramer. 70s, right? Pick a movie in the 80s. There's like seven of them. Sure. Sophie's Choice. Yeah. 90s. River's Wild. River Wild, yeah. That's pretty good. Which is Madison County. Yeah. Good. Prada in 2000s. Uh-huh. I don't know what's 2010s. Iron Lady. Post Iron Lady. August Osage County, right? No. When's that? No, but it's 2017, but I wouldn't put it up there. Okay. We didn't talk about our director, third line center on the 1978 Habs, Denis Villeneuve. Yeah. Those power plays he was killing with Pierre Bouchard and Mario Trombeau. He's number 13 all-time point scored for the Edmunds and Oilers. Great job by him. Denis Villeneuve. All-time hockey. Are you an incendies guy? Encendies? Encendies? Never saw it. Yeah. I mean, it's extremely gnarly. It is a really raw. His first few movies are fucking disturbing. Prisoners and Enemy is not a. No. Enemy is amazing. Please don't. Liz loves Jake Gyllenhaal. Did you sit through Enemy with her? No. Okay. Enemy is about. Jake really feeling it. About the two halves of us. And a giant tarantula. What lives inside of us. Inside each man are two wolves. Yes. That was a one-timer club for me. I saw that once. Not going back. That was the one. I do like Prisoners, though, and that will be on the review. I have some bad news for you about CR month. We're ending with Enemy. Oh, no. Why didn't you tell me? So then he has Sicario. Then he does Arrival. Played Runner in 2049. Two Dune movies. And now he's going to do. What's his next thing? Bond. It's a good one. Bond. Dune 3 and then Bond. I mean, he's on the mountaintop right now. He's in the top five dudes. I wrote down style, feel, mood, substance. Yeah. What's missing? Roger Deakins. Worth mentioning. Big shout, Rog. Which is our. This will be this one and then next week we are doing another Roger Deakins movie. He's out of his fucking mind in this movie. It's amazing. Some of the best cinematography I've ever seen. I don't know how he gets the soldiers to disappear like that. It doesn't seem like it's CGI when they just kind of walk into the darkness together and then they just kind of fade out. They just waited for the absolute last second of sunlight. It's dusk. Out in the desert and they were like, let's go. He also just has that sense of composition that if you watch scenes that any other director of photography or any other director for Villeneuve, not, you know, I think they're both equally responsible for the visual look of this film. Like, even if it's just Kate looking at Graver. Or actually, there's a good example. The scene that I love, which is like when Graver is talking to all the FBI guys about recruiting Kate. They shoot from behind Matt's head and they hold it there the whole time where they're like, hey, then this other guy, Daniel Kaluuya character, he went to Maryland and he's a lawyer from UNC and he goes, no lawyers on this film. And they never cut to his face or anything. And the way they shoot it is like, that's the fucking wizard. It's like God. Yeah, exactly. They're like, what is about to happen? You don't want a lawyer to come? Like, that tells you everything about this character and about what's going to happen. And it's their choice to frame it. And you can see all the guys in the frame and they're all like, oh, shit. They're just like, we're about to send this girl to her death, probably. Do you think Deacon should have done one movie like, That's My Boy with Adam Sandler? Like, just, just, just like to test himself? I mean, this is a running gag on the big picture, but you know, he comes in as a, as a cinematography consultant on animated movies. And so he has worked on My Beloved Rango. And he was like, worked as a kind of ad hoc cinematographer on, on movies that have that tone. So he has done that actually. There is like, It dabbles. If you go back to like the 80s and early 90s, some of the great cinematographers, because they were just working way more, it'll be like a run of movies where it's like a camera operator on The Exorcist. and this, this, and this, and it'll be like sorority, boob fever. It's just like, all right, I guess it was time to pay tuition. Hey, man. Three kids. I gotta be working. The Emily Blunt run was Devil Wears Prada in 06 that puts her on the map. And then she has a bunch of misses and near misses and it's just not really going. But then from 12 to 15, five-year engagement, looper, Edge of Tomorrow and Sicario. She's kind of cemented. And that was the run. I have some casting thoughts on her for a later category. Okay. I think I've landed on I think she was the right person for this. Because in my head, I think it was more probably Kate Winslet in the early 2000s would have been like the all-timer for me for this. But I think she was good. I think she's very credible as an FBI agent and a person who's like, I'm trained to hold a gun. I can go into these spaces. I think there's some flaw in the writing of her morality, especially in the final three. I've never heard of a movie. I can't wait to talk about that. Okay. Save that. And then our guy, Josh Brolin comes on the map. 1985 Goonies, which has been floated around for the fourth spot in CR month. I know. I'm available. I've been mentioned. Yeah. Bounced around for 20 solid years. It's just, his IMDB is all over the place. Never quite made it. He was a kid actor. 2005 Into the Blue. I don't know if you guys know this movie. Paul Walker and Jessica Alba. It's basically a rip-off of the Deep. Yeah. Brolin's the bad guy and he's fucking great in it. And I actually like this movie, but Brolin's like great. And it's like all the seeds of the Sicario guy 10 years later is in Into the Blue. But then No Country 06, Gangster, W, In the Valley of Vila, Milk, all of a sudden he's Josh Brolin. And I think this is my favorite Brolin. Graver, Graver might be. attitude and just charisma. And you don't know what he's doing. You know, he's dangerous. He seems like he's having an unusually great time for the circumstances. Yes. And I just really enjoy every minute that he's in this. His character's ability to sleep anywhere is very troubling. And it's, it's very indicative of how comfortable he is with everything that's going on. That he's like always like, I'm just going to steal 15 minutes of a nap. And it's a great little tick. A lot of the hand gestures are awesome. The flip-flops or the, you know, the Crocs that he's basically wearing. But he's still a guy who can just go into the tunnel with the Delta dudes and is, is basically like fine, fine going up against that. I texted you guys. He's, his demeanor has been my professional goal since 2017. Yeah. I just want to be like him at all times. It's like I used to be a roughneck. Yeah. If I have to get it on, I will. But I'm wearing flip-flops today. Yeah. I almost wore slippers on the live rewatchables just to, just to lay it down like Josh Brolin does in this movie. Yeah. He's an actor who just like always should have been 40. You know, and when he was 25, you're like, you're like kind of obnoxious. A little bit. And he plays that really well in Goonies, you know, where he's like the overcompensating older brother who's like, doesn't really get on board with the guys. He's also had a famous dad. He did. Yeah. And his dad's not famous to the Craig generation, but James Brolin was like a real dude for a long time. Big star. So when his son was coming up, it was like, oh, that's, that was a little nepo, I think then that was totally against him for a while. And I think that it took him a while and it took Hollywood a while to realize like how to use him. I mean, like in some ways, I think No Country will probably be the movie I associate him with the most. Yeah. But like this is my favorite performance by him, I think. I think also you can't really imagine, Matt Graver's pretty fucking funny. Yeah. You know, and he's like, maybe Satan. Yeah. Or at least one of Satan's overlords. Yeah. But he's so charismatic. And whenever he's talking, you're like, that's the truth. There's something really powerful about that. They like imbue that character with the idea that like, he's the only one who really knows how it works. Yeah. I mean, he's got to be, he's charming enough to like entice Kate to join them, but also is the guy who will be like, I'm going to put your ex-wife's name on the internet to Jon Bernthal. I almost did this for hottest take, but it's not quite a hot take. Josh Brolin's second best career of any 80s child actor. Behind Leo. Leo's doesn't count because he's really a 90s child actor. Okay. I had runners up. Fred Savage? Kiefer Sutherland, River Phoenix, C. Thomas Howe, Bateman. Jason Patrick, The Corys, Charlie Sheen, Christian Slater. I think the only one that beats him is Christian Bale who counts. Yeah. Because he starts in 87. Oh, because of Empire. Empire of the Sun, yeah. The point is, it's very hard to go from I'm a working child actor to I've avoided all the pitfalls that come with being young and famous. He didn't avoid them though. He had, there's like a 15 minute, 15 year wilderness run for him. Yeah. Yeah. And then he landed in the arms of my queen, Diane Lane. Everything was fine. Yeah. But yeah, I think Christian, Christian Bale is the only one who's I think done better IMDB standpoint. We were just talking about He Too the other day though. It's been a little bit of a rocky road for Bale in the last six, seven years. He hasn't worked that much recently. I mean, how much money does he have though? I think he likes driving like a Toyota pickup and being chill, you know? Bale? Yeah. Just like you. It's the year month. So he had a soccer game once in like fourth grade at Brentwood and he was on the opposite side on the parents and we won like 6-0. I was like, fuck you Batman. Yeah. Suck on that motherfucker. Oscar nominations. You said that to his daughter you said? Yeah, I was talking to the whole team. Oscar nominations for cinematography score, sound editing. How did they not get del Toro in this? I have no idea. Let's talk about it. So goofy. The Bridge of Spies guys wins. I don't think he's winning if we're doing that. Bale for Big Short, Hardy for The Revenant, Mark Ruffalo for Spotlight, Sly Stallone for Creed. It was just a really good category. He still should've gotten nominated and who are you bumping? Well, I have a real hot take about this. Sly. I want Sly out and I want Harrison Ford in for The Force Awakens and I also want Benicio in and I want Tom Hardy out for The Revenant. Yeah. Which I think is like such a weird, that's an odd nomination. I know that this is kind of weird but I would almost, I'm more of a fan of the Tom Hardy and Fury Road than I am in Revenant. Hmm. I feel like he's partially nominated for Fury Road in that spot. Do you like Tom Hardy and The Revenant? Yeah. Versus Benicio in this? Yeah. I'd much rather have Benicio in it. Yeah. What's your favorite line reading from The Revenant by Tom Hardy? There's like four lines in The Revenant. I can't think of a single line in the movie probably if I have to. It's like, oh no, a bear. I've been scouting it for the rewatchables. Revenant? It's a rough watch. Not a fan. Yeah. Long stretches of not a lot going on. Wait, I have a couple more things here. $30 million budget made $84.9 million spawned a sequel which we'll talk about. Sadly, no, Roger Ebert reviewed because he died two years earlier. Did you ask AI to recreate it? I did. God damn it, Bill. I did. Sorry, Sean. I know you hate this. Chat GPT said he would probably have given it three and a half to four stars. You should start asking Chat GPT what would Matt Graver do in like professional management. Like Chris's contract is coming up. What would Matt Graver do? He would take him for a ride to Horace. We could take him to Tijuana. Chat GPT said Just keep going down that tunnel. Ebert valued films that wrestled with ethical complexity and he loved intelligent thrillers with political weight. He did. Somebody who is alive right now, Wesley Morris, who you just saw. I did. You just podcasted with him. We did. We had a wonderful pod together. He was in my home last night. He did a kind of a thumbs up, thumbs down. Yeah. He called it as much a gym selfie as a movie. It was a big movie. Wesley is so good. That's very funny. His style demands that Michael Manns and Kathleen Bigelow's of the world take notice and they should. And he said every shootout rate in Detonated Bob is a dumbbell thrown to the floor and amped up fatigue. What does that mean a gym selfie? Like a look what I can do? It's the movie is like a real flex. Yeah. It's very muscular. Yeah. Sierra's gone to the gym and watched people lift time to time. He loves it. What do you think I watched? Like as a peeping Tom? Yeah. We don't have to break, right? Can I keep going? Great. We're live on Netflix. Most rewatchable scene. The opening scene. Mm-hmm. Big music. Big car crash. We have a near-emily blunt murder. We have multiple bodies in the wall. God. We have people throwing up. And then we have another explosion. We have a crawling guy walking toward two arms. Yeah. And then we have her taking the silkwood shower at the end of it. And we're off. The movie has begun. It's one of my favorite shots in the movie is her getting all the blood out of her hair. I think the functionality of this scene is just to make it feel like this is a level of depravity and violence that even these FBI agents and cops are not versed in. They're just, this is beyond it. And like all the shots of the bodies in that plastic are just supposed to be like, this is a nightmare come to life. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're in the mummy or something. Yeah. It's a horror movie. And also that it's a war movie. I think it's really important to frame the movie as a war movie. Like Chris's Apocalypse Now comparison makes the most sense because it is very much about an enemy that you can't see. And the only way you can go get them is to go where they are, which is a very dangerous place. And it's, they're already, they're already conducting a war. I mean, like they knock down that wall. Like they, I remember that sound the first time I saw this movie and like the sound of the truck hitting the wall and that guy's whole living room coming down and just like, whoa, what the fuck is this? Like it's, It's reminiscent of the heat truck in the beginning of Heat. Hitting the bank armor thing. I'll do this now. It's just some questions about the odor of the 42 bodies in the wall and just people hanging out in the house. Probably like 90 degrees in Arizona. I don't know if there's enough room freshener. I'm not sure. Were they vacuum sealed? Yeah, like I think. What was that? What kind of bag are you talking about? They're drywalled in. I don't know what drywall can prevent scent-wise. You have thoughts on this, Craig? I should have had you research this. Yeah, I think that they're bagged pretty tightly and so I have to imagine that that was a part of their calculus when they were thinking of where to stuff these bodies. I don't know. Ben left some chicken in the fridge last week in a Ziploc bag and it still smelled after like eight days. These are 170-pound bodies behind a wall. Just, I don't know. I think it would have smelled. We have these conversations all the time with the guys, the different people in seven. It's like, how are we not calling. Getting used to the odor? Maybe your nasal things. Do you think we should end the episode right now? Like, it's just such a flaw that maybe you just throw it throughout the baby with the bathwater? Next thing I have is the ride through Juarez, which includes Viltoro saying, welcome to Juarez. It's like, thank you. I think Sheridan's borrowed from that in other places. So you would not have the meeting Graver scene? Matt recruiting her. So I had that in What's Aged to Best, but I'm happy to have it here too. It's among. It is not the best. It was not the most rewatchable scene, but it is up there for me. I love that scene. There's so much information in it. Fine, put it in. Okay. You got your way. Our guy, Jeffrey Donovan, preparing for his shot caller role two years later. Bottles. It's brilliant what they do. Yellow with red dots. Next scene is when they're in traffic. Red and Paula, two lanes over. Donovan said, I'm getting a boner. We have two foursome car shootings plus the ninth guy. That's right. He tries to kill Kate. The federal police. This scene's awesome. Del Toro, the way he snaps into action. Also, he says, get your guns out. And then he's just like. This is great stuff. Let's talk about it, man. I mean, the thing about this scene. I don't even know if I really realized this until I was watching it for this pod, is how you know exactly where they are in relation to where the toll is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The toll is where the other two cars are. They're really clear about it. But also, like, there's just very few directors who put you in a space and you are feeling the tension because you're like, I can see how slowly the traffic is moving. The dog is barking. It's hot. People are staring out their car windows. And now these guys are over here and this guy's got a full face tattoo and is, like, looking itchy. And all these guys are like, what's the rules of engagement? Like, what's the. Am I allowed to get out and set a perimeter? You can feel. You can feel every single part of the elements of that scene. It's remarkable. It's really, really well edited. I don't remember. I can't remember a single time when I felt more tense in a movie theater. It's kind of on par with watching Jaws in my house. Yeah. Where you're like, what the hell is going to happen here? Even though you kind of know what's going to happen, like, there's going to be a shootout. But even still. I think it's because Kate doesn't know. I think it's because Kate's like, I. We're not supposed to be in Juarez. We're supposed to be in El Paso. Like, I don't really know what I'm doing here. And then this guy's telling me to take my gun out. And it's like she says at the end where she's just like, I'm not authorized to follow. Like, he's a spook. You're a spook. I'm like, I am not a soldier. And they're asking her to participate. And then she's complicit. Like, she does something in that shootout that essentially seals her fate with these guys for most of the movie. And it's just. I think because she doesn't know what's going to happen, we don't know what's going to happen. I almost feel like this could be a new rewatch of this category. But. The guy you mentioned, face tattoo guy. Mm-hmm. I mean, a profile, but I don't know if you could put a scarier guy in the passenger seat. He's just covered, shaved head, itchy, as you said. And he's also holding a gun. It's like, I'm positive this guy's up to no good. This guy's like not headed to a soccer game. Yeah. I think if you were going to pick a nit, the cartel could have sent a guy like named Neil who was like working for a sales company. Or told him to wear a hat. Yeah. So, in that sequence specifically, those guys are attempting to just. Just get Guillermo back. That they're like, we know that you've taken Guillermo. Yes. And we have arrived at this place at the same time. But this is the whole point of why they took Guillermo because they're trying to lure these guys to cause the ruckus to get their momentum going. I think that they are also. I wonder whether or not it's in play where it's like if Guillermo doesn't make it back alive, better that than he goes to. Right. To. Provides information. The States and provides information. Yeah. I'm always rooting for Guillermo because that was my name in Spanish class. Yeah. That was Guillermo. Eighth grade. Ninth grade. How come you didn't stick with it? I'm going to say I'm a Guillermo. I didn't stick with it. I did seven years of Spanish. Never took it. It's not too late to change it. Couldn't. Just couldn't get over the hump. They always said you had to go abroad and speak it for like two months. And I was just like, I'm going to miss sports for two months. So. You're still like that. Speak? Why would I do that? You could say at the top of every episode, Bienvenidos Guillermo Simmons Podcast. Guillermo. A couple of my college roommates still call me Guillermo actually. Yeah. There you go. That's great. A little inside info for you. Incredible Juarez. Cred. Next rewatchable scene. You would do great there. That's it. That's all I got. I'd be very comfortable. Kate and Reggie at the bar into the fight scene. It's hard not to think about CR when you see big bars like this. Yeah. People drinking bottles and smoking and playing pool. And dancing to country music. Yeah. That's what I think of when I think of CR. I kind of wish CR was in the background. It's a great bar. It's a great bar. I don't know what to tell you. Reggie busting on Kate. Yeah. About how she's letting herself go is just really good. Really good scene. Their chemistry is really good. The movie kind of needs it. Yeah. Two Brits. He's good. It's true. He's not get out guy yet. We don't really have a history with him. No. You can see though in the movie now when you watch it, you're like, oh yeah, he's fucking cool. He's charismatic. Yeah. He's got a lot to him. Yeah. It's a nothing part and he's got a lot to him. Then Bertholdt comes in. Goddamn, Reggie. Bertholdt puts a lot of Texas barbecue on that accent considering it's taking place in Arizona. He's like, goddamn, you saw me at the, no, no, no, no. His chest out. He's peacocking big time. Yeah, we get pool and country music. We get dancing and then we get a pretty, pretty heated hookup scene. Yeah. Followed by her noticing that, wait, this guy has the money clip in his pants. That's probably not a good sign. Yeah, rubber bands. And then she almost gets strangled to death and it turns out that Del Toro's been peeping. He's been doing the, how's the peeping, Tom? Yeah. He's been following her. Tommy. Alejandro. Has to peep it. He, uh. Has to peep it. You think this was like a binocular situation or was he just right outside the door? I think he's been following her. The bigger question, did they also hope this was going to happen? I think once she goes in the bank, like Graver says, like she's like, you used me as bait and Graver's like, you made yourself bait. You went, I told you I was going to the bank. They're going to be watching you. I put torturing Bertholdt in the car just because I could have watched it for 20 more minutes. At one point, at one point Del Toro just sticks his entire finger in Bertholdt's ear. I don't know how they did it. I have Apex Mountain for wet willies. I don't know that it's ever been more powerful. He's like, ah, god damn! I think Bertholdt sells it very well. Like he's really working hard. Do you think he did like, he bent the finger this way so when he put it in, it seemed, really seemed like it was in there. Also, Graver's line about like, I get to decide whether you go to a work camp in Missouri or a kill house like Corcoran, I was like, holy shit. It's great. I could have watched that for five more minutes. This movie has a very soft tinge of evil. Like every 20 minutes, it's like, here's a fucked up thing. The infrared tunnel sneak attack. We talked about it. Alejandro goes rogue. Grabs a guy. Shoots our girl Kate twice. Oh my god, dude. One of the great, he shot her, but I forgot you're wearing a bulletproof vest and you're not dead, but whatever. Brolin telling Kate who Alejandro is. Really good. And then she's like, I'm just going to go to it. And she's like, that would be a major mistake. And then I got the dinner scene. It's the dinner scene? Is that what you're calling it? Yeah. I'm awarding this. It is swung by Houston's. I'm awarding this the Big Kahuna Burger Award. That's like calling Mo Green's death like the massage scene. The Big Kahuna Burger Award for best use of food and drink. Keep eating. Go ahead and finish your meal. What were they eating? Like a lamb shank or something on the meal? Or like a pork roaster? Like a pork roast or something. Yeah, it looked like the chef had really put some time in. Yeah, I agree. Worst dinner guest of all time, CR? Well, you know, they're not going to live to give him a Yelp review, so I don't know what to say. Good conversationalist, you know? Yeah. Had a lot of questions. They're just hanging out, talking about the Mexico national team. Equal opportunity avenging Angel. In any other movie, this is the best scene in the movie. And this is somehow the second best scene, maybe the third best scene in the movie. That's kind of amazing. Boom, boom, boom. Shooting. I don't know how you do that. They're like, we're killing the kid. We're killing both kids. That's also something that 99% of movies just do not do. And this is the biggest difference between the movie and the script. The script is pretty wonky. He's like, tells the wife to take the kids and like hope that they become doctors. And like, they go run off and then he kills Fausto. And it's like, you have to have Alejandro completely lose himself in that scene to become what it is that he's avenging. He has to take from this guy what he took from him. Do you think he could have gone a little harder on Fausto? So Fausto dumped Alejandro's daughter in a vat of acid, correct? And beheaded his wife. And beheaded his wife and he just gets a bullet to the head. I think that for Alejandro, he's like, you watching your family die is the punishment. But even then, he gave him like five seconds to grapple with that. Maybe let it sit for a minute. Fausto also doesn't really make a compelling argument. He's just sort of like, I think he knows what's coming so he's just trying to get a shot up right before the end there. It's just one last shot on the Sicario's life. I think it's just because he's in a hurry. Alejandro's worried that somebody's going to come. So he's got to make quick work. Could have been a little bit more sadistic. The shot, the cut to the wife when Alejandro's like, don't forget about my daughter. And it cuts the wife and she's like, you fucking killed his daughter. I can't believe this. Like, you're going to get me killed here. I like Craig didn't think it was sadistic enough. Two kids and a wife. I brought a vat of acid with me. Can you guys step in here? Last one is Alejandro comes to get Kate's confession. You are not a wolf. And this is the land of wolves now. Yeah. Great stare down. So what do you have for most rewatchable? I have the 21, 22 minute sequence of the border crossing. Yeah, same. The Juarez and especially on the way back. Me as well. Yeah? Okay. It is one of the great movie scenes of this century. It is. It is so captivating. It's my how to steak. That's it. We just did your how to steak. No, my how to steak is that this is as good of an action set piece as the bank robbery from heat with maybe the truck chase from Dark Knight of the last of pretty much my lifetime, but like the last 34 years. I'm not going to fight it. Did we see? We didn't see this together, did we? It would have been in L.A. I don't know. It was great. We saw the Revenant together. We did see the Revenant. We saw a lot of movies together. That was your last month. Did we see this together? We saw the Grantland, though. Yeah, that's right. It was. But did we see Sicario together? I can't even remember. I didn't see Sicario in the theater. Oh, interesting. Oh, we had fucking all hell was breaking loose. Yeah. Yeah, that was a crazy time. This episode is brought to you by Sleep Doctor. Let's say a good sleep is wildly underrated. You can do everything right, eat well, work out, sleep seven or eight hours and still feel exhausted. If you snore, wake up tired, or crash during the day, it might be worth looking into. Sleep Doctor offers an at-home sleep study done in your home. They accept most insurance plans so you can pay as little as zero dollars. Visit sleepdoctor.com. If your doctor decides that you can sleep or self-inject Tramphya, proper training is required. Serious allergic reactions, increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them and liver problems may occur. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit tramphyoradio.com What's the most 2015 thing about this movie? It's a tough one. It's funny to think about all hell breaking loose in comparison to the action of sarcasm. You're like, you're like Graver, like, yeah, man, I've had a pretty crazy month starting a new media company. It's like, I started a war. Trying to figure out health insurance. You go Aetna, you go Cigna, it's really hard. You think you and Graver would get along? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would hire him. To do what? I don't know. Just get shit done. Be the third chair on Game Over? Yeah. I have Younger Bernthal is the most 2015 thing about this movie. That's a good one. It's a specific Walking Dead era Bernthal. Pre-Yellowstone Sheridan. Where the screenplays are tighter. What do you have, Sean? I have rooting for border-crossing non-jurisdictional pirate soldier squads attempting to end narco-terrorism with excessive force. Very 2015. Doesn't really feel like something I would root for this year. I also, I mean, of 2015, I had the capacity to be scandalized by the behavior of shadowy elements of the United States government. Yeah. Knowing that from Craig. Pretty much. Even like being surprised that the CIA is involved. Yeah, right. Yeah. This movie is almost as close to 9-11 as we are to the release of this movie. Isn't that crazy? Really? Like it's 14 years and 11 years. Like it's really close now. God. What's aged the best? I have a couple. What do you have? Movie starts in brilliant sunlight with the bombing at the drug house. Moves to unrelenting darkness throughout the tunnel, culminating with the tunnel and then that last shot is just, or the last scene with Caden. Alejandro is all gray. She's wearing gray. The wall is gray. What's happening is gray. It's just a great arc of like cinematography matching story. I think the character introductions in this movie are amazing. Kate in the truck following orders and being a soldier even though she claims she's not one. Matt kind of directing everything intellectually and then Alejandro, I think we see him first as she's pulling up in the Jeep and he's like, that's my bird dog, Alejandro. And he's like kind of standing behind the plane a little bit obscured. Just awesome. I love it. I love a great character introduction. What do you have? I mean, drug cartels running entire countries and subverting power structures has aged well. It's still obviously something that is happening right now. You brought Mr. Happy. You know? I know. The movie is weirdly way out of fashion but also very accurate. Like very accurate to the present time. There's certain things about it. We can talk about what's aged the worst that don't work as well. But then there are a lot of things that are, I think Sheridan's a really interesting cat because he is very, very smart about the way that things are. But he often tries to explain why they are the way that things are in a way that I find a little bit frustrating. But he's really good at being like, nobody else is talking to you about this right now and I think it's important that we do talk about it. So, you know, it's like, it's in Landman, it's in Lioness, it's in Yellowstone, it's in this, it's in Wind River, it's in Hell or High Water. Like, especially in his movies though, he's really good at being like, there's a problem in the country whether it be on a Native American reservation or in the way that banks take advantage of small town people or the way that the drug war has kind of like subsumed the American military. They're really, really incisive and he's really, really smart about that stuff. Sometimes he like, gilds the lily like five times but all those movies hold up really well because whatever he was after at the time is on point. I think that the easy thing to think is that Taylor Sheridan thinks what these guys are doing is cool and I think that part of the reason part of that is because of the like the weird ugly beauty that Villeneuve and Deacon described to the characters. I mean like, it definitely romanticizes to some extent the like, guys wearing bill-proof vests and these dudes who know everything and take private jets, you know? But I don't think it's that simple and I think that this was definitely a time period where he was a little bit more in tune with what was really happening in the world and maybe like now it's kind of drifted a little bit more to where he's like, yeah, it's like pronouns and oil rigs. That's what's really important but it's like, this was a little bit more like he had his finger on something. I agree. Yeah. And then he just wrote scripts for nine years in a row without leaving an office. That's right. Yeah. I have the title for Age the Best. Saqqara is a great title. Yeah. And he like put it in the lexicon now, right? Combined with that, movies that begin with info cards, you're usually in good hands. In Mexico, Saqqara means hitman. But the multiple cards, yoga, I always know you're in good shape. If I ever make an action movie, I'm going to have info cards. They called him CR. We talked about the little touches in this movie like Brolin wearing sandals, the crooked cop when he pours the liquor in his morning coffee. It gets caught by his wife. I love that. A lot of stuff like that. There's a moment where when they're driving into Juarez, she's looking at Alejandro's hands and notices he has a wedding band on and like it doesn't get remarked upon but she's she just has this great little look at him like I wonder who this guy is. The long payoff with the Mexican cop I like. Yes. My wife picked that up yesterday. I've been never seen the movie before. She's like, oh no. The Haysbert heat character. Like why are we here? What are we doing with this guy? And then it hits at the end. Yes. And then Bernthal, it's just in general, he's done this in multiple movies where he's a good guy and a bad guy in the same movie and he can swing and he also did it in Walking Dead. He's kind of like this is his move. Sure. It's like I like this guy. Oh no, I don't like this guy. It's exactly who he is in Wind River, right? Yeah. Where you're like, oh he's going to be the bad guy, right? He's like it in a lot of things. I think it's because he has like a very like good old boy, hey man, I'm here with my buddy kind of energy but there's something very malevolent about him that like it pops out really fast. The way that fight plays out is really good because it's unclear whether he's supposed to, you know, like Alejandro does not think that Ted is an assassin. He thinks he's just there to like, kind of see what Kate knows and see if he can get anything of her but it's definitely in play that he's gonna kill her and when he's choking her out he seems to be like i didn't want this to happen you know i wanted to just to like find out what you were working on and now we've gotten to this it feels like a character out of control it's just a great performance i had this later for nit picking nits with that uh strangle scene what's what's the move after all right i had to kill her like how's he getting out of that one he's phoenix pd i mean presumably he can figure some stuff out she's an fbi agent though yeah i think part of the reason why he was a flawed hire on the cartel's part is that he's not really in control i was that this leads to my larger point like this guy's horrible judgment yeah yeah because that's the other picket net of this is why are you fucking walking around with the cartel money band as your as like your wallet maybe like get another wallet ted come on striking out in slow pitch softball maybe not like a brain genius good sign yeah jesus maybe not brad stevens why'd you trade jared mccain ted you just got a non-modern pick what are you doing great shock order where most cinematic shot we covered it uh i got a couple here it's soldiers disappearing into the setting sun yeah or kate walking across the rooftop to see the fireworks i like that one too yeah that's good chess rock world brocklander's a word for best character name fausto a la corn no no a la corn uh a la corn a la corn i gotta say though i'm gonna say a lot of that call them corn you did fausto a la corn i think i ordered that last night i would say that if your nickname is medellin you win the chess rockwell award true yeah kid cuddy pursuit of happiness award for best email drop so every time the evil jaws score kicks in which we didn't talk about but but our guy denny was basically like hey can you make a really scary score like in jaws and the guy who did the score it's like i'll try and then you'll it's just fucking awesome it fills them it's your guy yeah i mean this is an amazing piece of music just because you cannot imagine this movie without this no it's almost wins the movie like if they're listening to slow ride you're just like well this isn't working you know like there's no pop music really in this except for diegetic stuff it's great well this is a big moment because we have a new rewatchables category that i didn't even clear with you guys oh okay i think it's a keeper it comes from a listener named abby soul who writes sometimes movies we love carry subtle details or moments that speak to the individual viewer especially my category idea allows for the rewatchables crew to share one moment or aspect of a movie that speaks to them more than 99 of the viewers for example bill loves sunny corleone biting his knuckle when he's mad cr can't get enough of the eric stoltz drug dealer lifestyle and pulp yeah so here's my succession uh suggestion the floyd gondoli butter on my ass and lollipops in my mouth award for something i just enjoy wow what a great award how did we not have this from this film so for this my answer for this for the floyd gondoli award is gondoli gondoli gondoli anytime a movie would would drug stuff and somebody says in the movie there's rumors of a tunnel i'm in yeah i just love knowing that there might be a tunnel because that means we might be going in the tunnel and that's my floyd gondoli do you have one shot you don't need to have one i didn't prep you for this this is is this all one game that you've been doing over the last is there really an abby you guys would like the floyd gondoli i do i'm trying to think of a really good answer to this well we'll know for the next one when we do the next movie so it's just something you like you really personally liked something that you it just resonates with you i honestly a dude wearing a bulletproof vest who has big horn rimmed glasses yeah i kind of did glasses frames i i i said a movie with a debrief when there's a debrief in a movie and it's like all these important people are in a room and they're like this is how it is and this is how we're gonna get the guy but when you see a geek and he's got like an ar-15 and a bulletproof vest on and he's like i'm i'm just hanging out this air force base that's like we're about to get but i i love maybe you have this in half-assed internet research but who the jeffrey donovan character is like based on visually oh yeah is a ranger who is in norman schwartzkopf's security detail who is like a bespectacled dude who is like yoked and very scary but also a big dork and that that fusing those two ideas together to make a character is really interesting you're up with the sean fantasy word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm okay i don't want to overdo it but there's three okay there's one that's very obvious which is um del toro says keep an eye out for the state police they are not always the good guys of course del toro was in traffic for which he won his academy award um in thief there is a moment where um uh well in the movie alejandro ignores the maid as he continues clearing the house which is an homage to thief which is something that frank does in that movie but the one that i like the most i think this is on purpose and i don't know is the scene that you just talked about with the mexican cop pouring booze into his coffee in the morning and his son has his face down on the table and the father winks at him and then the kid winks back and he's like oh my god i don't know what he's doing and then the kid winks back which i think is a direct match to jaws where scheider's at the table with his son oh wow you know and they have that moment where they're connected he says give us a kiss and i feel like that's an a nod to that i have one more which is just when blunt and cool you show up at the motel before the tunnel raid brolin says can i interest you in this tasty beverage oh and i was like here we go oh yeah you have a flex category so you're okay i have a special okay for the last of the exact moment this movie jumps up a level and it's seven levels of okay around we're plus seven around the juarez border crossing level one is when alejandro tells kate he goes where he said and she says where were you sent from and he said cartagena like okay what okay level two is alejandro neatly folding his linen jacket before the op okay motherfucker are you folding your jacket okay level three the federal the mexican federal police pickup trucks going over speed bumps and we're in the pickup truck yeah okay motherfucker we're doing this yeah level four steve saying spotter vehicle left lane i'm getting a boner yeah okay motherfucker level five take your service weapon out okay motherfucker level six steve going gun gun and level seven is just the shootout after uh after alejandro goes do you want to die and they do you didn't hit us with the loudest okay that was great now we're up to the uh butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film this is a pretty strong film it is i would volunteer this i think you really need to understand the cia fbi mechanics of what's really going on here to fully understand this movie and i'm not possible sitting in the theater in september 19 2015 for the first time watching this you can comprehend everything that's happening i do think it's a multiple watch before you really get it they do give you the one scene where victor garber explains what is going on which is very helpful it's like i can't i didn't dream this up yes yeah they're like this is above my pay grade aspect of that speech where who are elected not appointed yes i think is very well written i think victor garber is the perfect actor for it so goodness i i do think that it's like it comes a little late in the movie and maybe that's on purpose yes but it takes a long time for us to kind of figure out those relationships so basically cia can't do a assassinations they can't operate within the domestic united states fbi gives brolin's team cover because now it's a cross department it's a task semi-legal task force and everything went great until kate went the wrong way in the tunnel i wouldn't say great but yeah well but you know what i mean like they were about to pull off what they wanted to without kate being like wait what's before she goes into the tunnel that she has been used because in the motel she takes a left we're probably not as as distraught i feel like where's alejandro yeah uh yeah he had to run he had a fantasy draft before they go is it drink made or what uh and that first that motel scene she's like he's like we're going on this op you guys stay behind and she's like yeah well we can't fucking go because we didn't bring our stuff because you didn't tell us that this is what was happening so but all he basically needs is her sign off and that's when he reveals that the cia can't operate domestically without fbi attached but i think that would be the weak link just that this is a pretty dense movie that of with a lot of themes that are hard to just embrace the way you would embrace some other when you're watching heat you know what's happening in heat the first time you watch it heat right there i think to me the weak link of the movie is always and i think this is a five star movie so it's kind of not a big deal but her still being insistent on doing things the right way even after she's been in the tunnel and she's like i'm gonna tell on you and i'm gonna tell on you i had that in my biggest nitpick i'm a little like yeah okay he just doesn't let her go like walk away from that you know what i mean like it's it's It is a nitpick of mine as well. What's aged the worst? I'll do one quick. And it's weird because she smokes in real life. I didn't like Kate smoking in this movie. I thought she was pretty good, but maybe British. I put a Tom Cruise, which end do I light award for terrible on-screen smoking. I just didn't think. Have you ever smoked an Indian Creek? No, what are those? I think they're bigger in the Southwest. I'm not. Are they longer? Are they fatter, shorter? No, they're just like a gas station cigarette. You know, it's like, go get them. What's your policy on smoking mid-pod? Well, they can't fucking stop us. We're live, brother. We can do whatever. Like if I just pulled out some Indian Creeks. I don't know. There's just something, but it's weird because I researched it and she does smoke in real life, but I didn't like three puffs. I didn't like the way she threw it. Probably not still. She's got kids now, but I think back in the day, plus she's English. All English people smoke. The only time I'm ever like, reminded that Emily Blunt is probably much more delicate than Kate is when she lights a cigarette for some reason. Yeah. It's like a very cool way of lighting a cigarette. Yeah. I had the handball game that they show as they're driving in. That aged the worst? No, I could have used like 10 more seconds of it. Shouldn't that have been Ed Norton? I was really enjoying it. I was like, this is great. These guys are going at it. That'd be funny if that was what Benicio was like, welcome to Mars. Welcome to Mars. Hold on. I just want to see what's his point. Yeah, not the hanging guys. Just the way. Handball game. We mentioned Crooked Cop Ted wandering around with a suspicious cartel money band. It is his wallet. And then Sicario 2 Soldado. It's fine. Don't have the same director or screenwriter. You got it. You got it. It does have the same screenwriter, doesn't it? Isn't it? It's Taylor. Yeah, it's Taylor. Stefano Salima directed it. Yeah. It's fine. It's a cable movie. It's a pretty good movie. Chris is a big fan. It just deepens the graver side a lot, which is fascinating to me. It's fine. It's one of the most, one of the most evil movies ever made. It's fucking diabolical. It is crazy. I had one more, but what did you have for what Sidgler's? Well, when you're watching it, and I know it's supposed to be a joke between the two coworkers, but like the idea that 2015 Emily Blunt is supposed to be this like ratty piece of shit that no one wants to date is pretty wild. It's like, yeah, your fucking eyebrows are all out of control. You're like, all right, man, that's fucking Emily Blunt. It's tough. They kind of skirt past the like Alejandro, those Cartagena cartel connections. Like they, I know that he says like he works for anybody who will put him in the, like point him in the direction of the people who made him, but I think it would have been a little bit helpful to like learn a little bit more about like, so the United States government is working in concert with the remnants of the Colombian cartels to reestablish their control of the, that is what we're doing. Okay. I do think that that is ultimately what the movie is saying. I think that that's great. Graver's point of view, that that is the approach that the CIA is taking. To keep order, which is, which sounds horrible, but there is a significant amount of evidence to suggest that these kinds of things have been done in American history. So it's not that crazy. I don't know. I don't know if it's aged. I don't know if it's aged the worst so much as it's like, you got to get on board with that idea for the movie to seem credible. The only other thing I would say is age. The worst is that in the screenplay, Reggie, the Daniel Kaluuya character, his last name is Wayne, which just feels like Taylor Sheridan. Wow. Colts game. It was like good name. Reggie didn't like the Colts. Yeah, exactly. Could be. Do you have any? Well, Juarez, which is portrayed as the scariest city on earth. Yeah. Was not really happy with the movie. Yeah. And, you know, Sheridan has said that it was like 2010, 2011 when he was writing the screenplay, which is when the city was really in, in very, very dire straits with the drug war. And in 2015, it was like starting to improve. And it's crime rates were changing. And then now I just read that it is now fallen out of the top 15, most dangerous cities, in the world. Wow. It has fewer than 1000 murders per year. Pretty significant. If it was number three for a while. Yeah. It's a, I mean, it was, it was one of the five most dangerous places to live for like 30 years. And the city has changed a lot. And so because of that, and you can like read all about this and all the El Paso newspapers and stuff, the movie has like, it does feel like more of an artifact of a time for that city. It doesn't mean that the drug war is still happening. Maybe that's the most 2015 thing. Yeah. Although broadly speaking, El Mencho recently making some headlines. Like I think that the, the violence is still. Yeah. The Mexican drug trade is still very much happening. I think just in general, I, you know, the drug war itself is like, as the eternal quagmire of American life is still going on. And then we, we mentioned the Martian and the walk thing, which is so fascinating. My last thing, and it might be a possible new award, but I was thinking about Emily Blunt, the hookup scene with Bernthal. They're really going at it. And anytime I watch something like this, I always think about what it's like for the husband. Or the wife of the person in the scene. And in this case, I was thinking about Krasinski, just like Sakara premiere. So just to warn you, there is a kissing scene with Bernthal. And then you're watching that on a 55 foot screen. What are your next like three minutes? I think it's why he became Jack Ryan and got fully yoked. It's because he couldn't handle seeing that. It's probably something to that. What are your thoughts, Craig? I mean, this is why you're here for important questions like this. I've never understood how you can get over this as the husband of him. I don't understand it either. No, you can't. You can't come. I'm not like a crazy jealous person. I just think to watch somebody really go at it with your wife. This was also supposed to be a nude scene, which they got out of the movie. That's even worse. It's why actors date actors. You know, it's like I can understand because I've been in these scenarios. If you get to hook up with Bernthal, I get to hook up with somebody else. It's not even hooking up too. It's also, then he chokes her out. Can you imagine being at the post premiere party and just being like, Hey man, it's like doctors date doctors. Cause they're the only ones who really knows what it's like. Actors have to date actors. So I was, I don't know what the award would be, but maybe it's a, the movie theater cuck award goes to John Krasinski. Just watching this going, why? Why? You didn't tell me this was in here. Why? The only good use of AI would be putting Krasinski in the George C. Scott and hardcore scene. That actually, that I would enjoy. Then I was trying to think what would be the worst one to be the husband in the theater for, and there's just a lot of candidates. So let's move on. Okay. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award. Pretty, pretty understated. Yeah. I was going to say, this is a pretty mellow movie. It's Berthold. Like let's do, what are you kidding? Berthold, the finger in his ear? Oh, in the car? I'm in over my head. Yeah. You have a flex category, Sean. I chose when would I have died? And I wrote down the first scene, the second scene, the third scene, the fourth scene. You die when Matt Greenberg is just asking guys. You're just dying. It would have been tough. I don't think I would have been able to hang in, in this movie. I think I would have bought it in the tunnel. How bad do you think two shots to the chest wearing a vest hurts? That was kind of good. Dorfler's door. Yeah. That was what I was thinking about. You want, you want to try it? Oh, is that like something that anybody can do? And like an hour later, you're fine. Or is it like you're out for a week? She's still wheezing when she's talking to, to, to Graver. Are we talking like broken ribs? Yeah. I definitely think so. She has, when we see her in her apartment after he's come back, I don't think she's like been on the jobs. It could be a new ringer. Maybe a new ringer video series. The new intern. Just shoot people. It doesn't count. Two in the chest. It's Craig Holbeck. Truth or two in the chest. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? I haven't really, you did rears. I kind of did mine. The other one I had was just that this movie is like an excellent allegory for American foreign policy since the cold war. That it's, it's like a, you take advantage of a strong use of the word allegory. Thanks brother. It's CR month. I got to bring, bring it. You can't get my advantage of a crisis or a tragedy. And you prey on the personal or collective desire for justice among the population, or in this case in Kate and use overwhelming military force to bring an end to the chaos and violence only to be exposed for having ulterior motives. Not that I'm saying the United States does that. No, you would never, not on Netflix. You wouldn't say that. No. Do you have a hottest take? Yeah. The success of Yellowstone is the biggest loss for movies of the last decade. There you go. That's a great hottest take. You've been circling this. Yeah. It's, it's the most emblematic thing. This is like, this guy was like, I maybe I'll be William Goldman. He was like, just kidding. I want to be David E. Kelly. It's like, that's fucking boring. Are there any other examples of that starting at prestige and premium and kind of like going the other direction? Not that Yellowstone is not prestige, but you know, a movie screenwriter who then just becomes like a TV writer. I mean, I mean, Pizzolatto, I think writes, is he ready for a future start? I'll tell you who's an interesting example is Mike White. Yeah. Mike White. Now, the White Lotus is still very prestigious. Survivor 50s, Mike White. Yeah. Jacked. Jacked. Unreal. So proud of himself. Crazy. I would be ripping my shirt off too. Yeah. Do you think that that was related to going on Survivor or was he just like, I'm going to get yoked up? I think he's, I think he got yoked up because he's a wealthy guy. Yeah. Who was going to be on Survivor. Yeah. And was like, I didn't like how I looked. Would you do that if you were going on Survivor? I wouldn't go because I have contact lenses. What do you, I noticed in Survivor 50, there was a, was it Stephanie who has glasses on sometimes, but not all the time, which leads me to believe that she does have contact lenses there. I was, I think, are you reacting to the not being allowed to have contact lenses or? I just don't feel like that. I feel like I'd have an eye infection the first week. Yeah. Also the allergies. I would just flip out because of the nicotine thing. Yeah. I'd be chuffed in. If you could bring Zinn, you would go on Survivor 50? I would just, - I always give Oda a first 'cause by like hour nine, motherfucking people throwing games. You can't find out what's going on in sports on the island either, right? Yeah, but I think I would. Being on Survivor has to take a little bit of practice. Like, Tatum's coming back on Friday night. So wait, you. You can't take 35 days off from the Celtics. You can have a steak dinner or find out who won Celtics Sixers. Yeah, I would be trying to win the challenges. What if that was your letters from home? You'll find three sports tidbits. Your letter from home was just Thursday, February 9th, Celtics 104. Nets 189. That's what I would've told my. I definitely would've told my wife. Richard, you're like 5%. You would've told Carrie, fit as many scores as you can onto one page. Dear Dad, the Patriots signed Alec Pierce. Oh my God, that would be so funny. You finally have a big-play receiver. And you're just sobbing. I knew Tatum was coming back! Everybody else is like, dude, it's probably my mom. Oh man. You should, if you go on Survivor and. It's just sports. No, the episode where family could visit, you should have Chris coming. It's just. SG, what the fuck? I can update you on everything. You guys traded a purse for AJ Brown. He's like, no! You're not gonna believe what Yasmin did on the season finale of Industry. I've been circling the five feet. Remember that scene? Yasmin is now Jelaine Maxwell. You just spoiled Industry for him. I'm sorry, guys. My hottest take. Benicio Del Toro doesn't get enough credit for being a loser. He doesn't get enough credit for being a loser. He doesn't get enough credit for being a legendary stick man. Oh. Yeah. Never mentioned when they talk about. Is that a thing known about him? The big celebrity ladies man. Seriously dated Valerie Galena in the late 80s. The lady from Rain Man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The lady from Hot Shots. Claire Forlani in the mid 90s. Chiara Mastroianni late 90s. Daughter of Catherine Deneuve. Sophie Dahl in the early 2000s. Dated Catherine Keener, Sarah Foster, and Kimberly Stewart. Also dated Heather Graham in the late 90s. Oh. Had flings with Alicia Silverstone in the mid 90s. Lindsay Lohan in the mid 2000s. And Scarlett Johansson in the. In 2004. Benicia just keeps it quiet like in Sicario. Just takes care of business. Nobody knows what he's up to. I hope they save this for his Lifetime Achievement Award. Yeah. Lindsay Lohan? Yeah, just. It's all. You can find all of it on Google. Did they do a film together? I just think he was in the circles. He was hanging out. Yeah. He starred with Alicia Silverstone in Excess Baggage, you may recall. Once you get vetted by a couple, it's just you're off when you're Benicio. And she's in Alligator, right? With him? Isn't she the wife in Alligator? Reptile. Reptile, sorry. Yes, Reptile. Have you seen Reptile on Netflix? Really good. Very, very like. I think you would like it if you haven't seen it. Benicio is a murder cop. I haven't seen it. It's on my list. It was kind of critically reviled. Chris and I had a text message one night. It was like, you see Reptile? Yeah, bro. We were like, yeah, it's pretty fucking good. And it's like sneaky. It's like two and a half hours long. 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Subject to credit approval, Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City branch. Terms and more at AppleCard.com. Casting what ifs. Josh Brolin turned that in the film because he had just done Everest. And then big shot Raj, Roger Deacon, sent him an email imploring him to join and Brolin changed his mind. Said stop being an asshole. Yeah. He's like, come on, mate. That's all I have for casting what ifs. Yeah, there wasn't it seems like this was kind of like 10 more years then it'll be like Leo DiCaprio almost did it. Do you have or do you want to wait but I was curious whether you had some alternatives for Blunt? I really didn't and I looked hard and I looked at all the best actress best supporting actress nominations tried to figure out the ages and all that and could have come up with a better one because you go like Anne Hathaway I don't see it. Amy Adams, no. Like you go on through and there's a big sliding door here which is that she doesn't do Black Widow for Marvel and Scarlett Johansson does it. And is there a world where that's reversed and could Scarlett Johansson be? I just think Scarlett Johansson by 2015 has built up so much leading actress sexy cred that I don't think you could just buy her in this movie out of nowhere. Also, Emily Blunt benefits from Edge of Tomorrow coming out a year and a half before. You buy her physicality. Totally. I do think though if you time machine Kate Winslet in like 2005 and put her forward 10 years that's the perfect one. I think this would have been and it's a little like the Mare of Easttown character a tiny bit like the beaten down. I think she would have been great but I think she's a little older at this point because this character needs to be what? Like 29, 30? 30, yeah. It feels like 30. She's been married and divorced in this movie but yeah. Best that guy award Jeffrey Donovan is not eligible and neither is Victor Garber. Maximiliano Hernandez. So what else is he in? The Mexican cop. He's in the Marvel films. He's in Hydra. Oh, see I didn't Oh, is that the guy who talks to Alejandro and is like I'm sorry about your kid. No, no, the cop. Oh, Silvio. Yeah, the bald cop. You guys do realize that 99.9% of society could not name Victor Garber, right? Yeah, I think the real answer is Victor Garber. We're at a kind of a famous stage actor who was on Alias for like 10 years. But could they say that's Victor Garber? I think it's Victor Garber. Or they say that's the guy from Alias. Right. I think it sadly is Victor Garber. That's Sidney Bristow's dad. Dion Waiters award is Bernthal, I think. I don't know. I got Donovan. I have Donovan, too. Over Bernthal? Donovan's like I have gonorrhea and I'm like the world's greatest killer. Like, and he's in three scenes. I'm a seer. I voted for Bernthal, but I got outvoted. When they're about to waterboard Guillermo and he's like I'm going to step out of the room. He turns the camera off. It's like the most chilling shit. What's going on in that scene? There's like questioning about what he's actually doing. What Alejandro's doing when he gets up close to him. I think it's supposed to emasculate him. Is it intimidation or does something actually happen? Oh, no. He's not going to do anything sexual to him. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. No. I think he's going to waterboard him. You mean just like drop his balls on his head? What do you mean? Like, if you read the Sicario Reddit thread, a lot of people think he like sexually assaults him. Oh. I didn't know that. No? I thought it was putting his crotch in his mouth. Sexually emasculating him. You think that would be crossing the line for Alejandro? Not the waterboarding or mass murder? Well, no. The idea was that not the child executions. Reddit was specializing People really think that? Well, that he brought in the water jug to pretend as though he's going to go waterboard him and that's what the cameras see and then when they turn the cameras off he does something else. Because there's no water going down the drain. Oh, okay. Yeah. I showed the drain deliberately. I don't know. I guess that's fair. I didn't think that. I didn't think that's why they were doing it. It's all in play with Alejandro, you know? Sure. That's interesting though, Craig. Thanks for bringing that to our discussion. There might be sexual assault. That sister's in there. From Josh Hanks? Yeah, I think he would have come in and said, I could be a real friend to you. Do you think he should be able to jump from movie to movie? No water. I don't know. In my mind, I guess I thought I heard water. CR's done for the podcast. Wow. He's just blue. He's trying to watch me. He's like, I don't know if I like Alejandro as much. Yeah, now he's really disappointed. Now I'm disappointed in a recasting couch director city. Instead of Juarez, can I float Philadelphia? Real nice. Trying to get him beat out of Philly? Really classy. It's CR month and you're already taking shots at me? Philadelphia. Trying to get AJ Brown to an AFC East team? Uh-huh. Craig, you have a flex category. Do we have Craig's special camera or no? Fucking jerk off. CR month, he could just yell at me. I want to implement a new tool for the show. You guys are the preeminent council for Hollywood. From the producers of AI, Roger E. Brewer? Yeah. As the Hollywood czars, I think, you know, tomorrow, March 3rd, is the NFL franchise tag deadline. Yeah. Franchise tag, you can prevent a player from getting a second contract somewhere else and they have to stay on your team. I think there should be a movie franchise tag and for Sicario, the movie comes out, you guys get to vote. Oh, they want to make Sicario 2? I'm sorry, there is literally a franchise tag on this movie. Oh, so it's like a committee almost like in college football? Yeah. There's 10 people on it. When I heard about the sequel, I was so disappointed. I'm like, and it's like, oh, you want to make Devil Wears Prada 2? Sorry, it's been franchise tagged. Five movies a year that you actually get to put the stamp on, no sequels. Wow. A literal movie franchise tag. You are the rare full-throated Sicario 2 defender. I would say I'm closer to the guy on the Jags who was like, I'm moving up to get Travers Hunter and that we didn't go far enough. Like, we should already be on Sicario colon capos, which is what - The third one's supposed to be called? We should be, there's no reason that we have gotten a third Sicario movie yet. If you're going to break the seal, we should be on Sicario 4 by now. Why aren't we just on the best version of a prestige TV series with Sicario? Benicio Del Toro's not going to do that. Is he? He's not? I don't think so. Did you think Billy Bob Thornton would be in three TV shows at this point? Yeah. I think he likes hanging out and playing music and making some money. I think we could have gotten Del Toro. I'll do it. I'll play Alejandro. I can do it. Now that you've found out that he's a sexual deviant as well as a child murderer. Yeah, it seems more approachable. So what else would you franchise tag from this year? It's like a franchise cross-off. I mean, Sinners 2 is coming. Oh, yeah. That's going to happen. That's a tag. Not next. It's going to be Twilight Zone and Black Panther 3, but I mean, there's just way too much money there. So you think they'll set it in the 90s where they're hanging out? I think they should. Like Barbie, you franchise tag. I don't want to see another Barbie. They only made Barbie to make more Barbies. You have to franchise tag Sinners. Franchise tag Oppenheimer? No. I want Oppenheimer too. What's Oppie 2 about? He's just like teaching after that, right? That'd be a great movie. It's like Dead Poets Society. It's like kicking and screaming, but with Oppenheimer. I wouldn't franchise tag Limitless. I could do like three more. Yeah. Yeah. Did you watch the show? No, the show, it wasn't Cooper. Who was the star of the show? I don't know. But Coops is like in it briefly, right? Yeah, he does the stop by. Half-assed internet research. The border crossing scene, they had to build a full-scale replica of the Juarez border because they couldn't figure out how to pull it off with all the days they would have to stop traffic. They asked for permission, right? And they were like, nope. Yeah, couldn't do it. Can we close the U.S.-Mexico border for multiple days? They're like, actually, you can't. The thermal vision shots were filmed with an FLIRSC 8300 thermal vision camera. That's what Gahal is using for us today. Not added in post-production. That would have been sick if this was infrared. Yeah. They only had it for one day. That's a good gondola award. Night vision. There's night vision I'm in. Yeah. Yeah. A props man heated the soles of his shoes to see the footprints. I love that. Yeah, great stuff. The word Sicario derives from the Latin word Sicarius, meaning dagger man. And then Emily Blunt got so sick from food poisoning in Mexico, she required IV fluids between takes to make it through scenes. And then there's a part in the tunnel scene, after the tunnel scene, Brolin's telling Kate about Alejandro and he pauses for a second or two and talking about her going up the wrong tunnel. And he said in an interview he paused because he forgot his lines. And he literally froze for like two seconds. But then in the cut, it actually worked. So great. Yeah. For their fight scene, Bernthal assured Blunt that he was an experienced boxer and she could hit him at full strength, which she did. She does really take a shot at him. Yeah. The Wild Pony Bar was in Los Lunas, New Mexico, 29 miles south of Albuquerque, 425 miles from Tucson, where it was supposed to be. Closed down in 2015 after a fatal gang shooting occurred between the Banditos and the Poor Boys. Can't have nice things. No. No. No. No. No. No. It's called the Horseshoe. It's a public meeting place. I don't know what a public meeting place is. I don't know either. I saw that and I was just like, do we have to go investigate this? What's happening? A lot of rewatchables there. Public meeting, like. Like smoke into your creaks and drink beers? Or is it like, let's have a. You just kind of meet? Folk dancing festival. Like a fantasy baseball draft there. Should we do fantasy baseball this year? Please no. Oh, for the ringer? Yeah, I'm thinking about it. You're not invited. You're not invited. I got dead last. Why am I not invited? Heifetz is not invited. Oh, you just want to leave those guys out because you get screwed. Can't have Heifetz. I don't think it's screwed. No. Like for the sake of the narrative. Apex Mountain. Would you say Blunt Hair or would you go Quiet Place? I. Or would you go Day After Tomorrow? Or Edge of. I would say Quiet Place. Day After Tomorrow. It's probably Quiet Place. I think Quiet Place is. This is a more interesting. I know that she's an incredible actress. I think she's. I love her. It's kind of sad, I think, what's been going on in the last five years. I don't really like the choices she's been making. So you don't like Oppenheimer in Smashing Machine? I think she's the worst thing in Smashing Machine. Straight up. I want to see her have fun in movies. I really like Five Year Engagement. I think she's good in it. But I don't want her to be in Jungle Cruise. That's. I don't. Yeah. I have not enjoyed that stuff. She's good in Fall Guy. I like that movie. She's fine. She is okay. I think they have chemistry. They tried. They like. That's a swing and a miss and I like that they tried. Did you see Project Hail Mary yet? I did. I liked it quite a bit. Heard it was good. Yeah. The goss is back, man. Fucking goss. Yeah. It's really good. Juarez. Apex Mountain? Probably not. I mean, represented on film, I think it. You know, put it on the quote-unquote map. As a movie location, maybe. Brolin, I think it's that run after No Country when he was W and he was in like nine movies at once. I would make the argument that this is Apex. Like, is that. I would if it made 200 million, but it made 89. Because at the end of this year or whenever that. Whenever Ultron comes out and he does the cameo at the end of this year, I think it's Infinity War. You do? Yeah. I think the. What year is Infinity War? The level of. 2018. The level of success of that Avengers movie and him being the big bad that the whole thing is centered around and every character says his name. Now, granted, he's CGI in the movie, but it is unmistakably Brolin even though he's like a giant purple alien. I don't know. Can I tell you a story really quickly? Is that a Marvel movie? It is. It is, yeah. It's, you know, Thanos and he puts the glove on. Do you know the glove with the gems in it? Sure. The Infinity Stones? The Infinity Gauntlet? Totally. I was driving down Santa Monica yesterday and I was at a red light and a gentleman who'd probably seen better times in his life was riding a bicycle past me and he stopped on the sidewalk and reached down for something and I was like, I wonder what this guy's up to. And he picked up the glove from the. Yeah, the Infinity Gauntlet. And he was like looking at it and I was like, what if it's the real gauntlet? Like, what if this guy just found the stones? No, but there was something in it. Like, I think he was doing a drug deal. But like, it was pretty amazing. Was he hiding heroin in it? Whatever he found in there, he was excited. Yeah. And it was Brolin? Yeah, it was Brolin. It was Brolin. Cartel movies? Yes. Trying to think what's the competition. I mean, Scarface, of course. It had been largely Narcos, you know what I mean? Like, I can't remember when Narcos debuted. I think after this. I would have Scarface over Sicario. Just because it has a longer tail. It's 43 years of people watching Scarface versus 10 for Sicario. Okay. But 10 years from now, I'm willing to look at it. Yeah, I mean, do you consider like Carlito's Way a cartel movie? Not really. More of a New York crime movie. It's not a lot of great movies set in this. I mean, obviously, Vincent Chastain, Jace's masterpiece, Medellin. Yeah, it's true. Forgot about that. Medellin. Who could forget? Vats of Acid as a plot device. Oh, God. I don't know if we've topped it. I'll say Tim Burton's Batman. Oh, yeah. When the Joker goes in. Oh, good point. That's right. Del Toro? I guess Traffic is his Apex Mountain because he wins the Oscar for that. Traffic made more money than it's probably, I would imagine. Yeah, probably Traffic. He's been pretty much dope for 20 years now, though. Like, every time he shows up on a story, they're like, oh, hey, Benicio movie. Kaluuya? No. Dead People Buried in Walls? Probably. Can't think it's about more effective. I really like when the bullet and he's looking through and he's like, what the fuck? Burnt Thawne, though. Tunnels. Great Escape? It's either this or Fast Five. You don't think the Great Escape is more significant than Fast Five? Or the Tunnels and Shawshank? Mount Tunnelmore. Oh, Shawshank? Yeah. Fast Five, Great Escape. Uh-huh. Sicario. We're done. One battle. Mount Tunnelmore. Leo crawls through the tunnel under his ass. That's right. That's some good tunnels. Dinner scene executions? Yeah. I mean, the menu? Right? I think it's this. There's a lot of executions there. And then Jeff Donovan. I still have Shot Caller. Since you mentioned the dinner scene execution and it is CR month, can I just throw one more flex category in there? Yeah, let's hear it. I did want to talk about this a little bit, which is the I used to fuck guys like you in Prisoner Ward for craziest quote. Telling a guy time to meet God before you kill his family is like as hard as it gets. Yeah. You want to say Apex Mountain for hardness at the dinner table? Like, about like. Can you imagine? I'll tell a quick true story that just happened two hours ago. I pulled up to your house and I was. I was shoveling a salad into my face so that I could get some food in me before this recording and parked right outside the place and a car rolls up next to me, drops its window. It's Chris. He turns to me. He says, time to meet God. Then he drives away. There's also a really good. I used to fuck guys like you in Prisoner. quote, when the Delta guy holds Reg down when Graver and Kate are going at it and he just goes, just lay back and let it happen, baby. It's like, what? Cruiser. or Hanks? I don't know. Hanks as Graver, Cruz as Alejandro. Cruz as Alejandro. Oh, doing like the collateral Cruz? Yeah, doing Vincent. I'm trying to imagine him saying you were in the Land of Wolves now. I think he could do it. Kate, you're in the Land of Wolves now, Kate! He couldn't sell the South American aspect of it, obviously. Cruz as the Bernthal part. Wow. Cocktail Cruz coming back. Yeah, but as Frank T.J. Mackey. Yeah, that'd be pretty good. I don't think there's place in this movie for Hanks. You don't think Cruz could be Brolin? He could. He could. This is more Cruz than Hanks. Scorsese or Spielberg, Scorsese. Yeah. Best hang, worst hang. Brolin, best hang. Hey, Graver seems kind of fun. Yeah. Graver, I would definitely get beers with Graver. I almost had Kate for worst hang, but she's pretty fun at the bar. Kate would be like, let's get some Indian creaks, man. Let's go. She just needs to be in her element. You just don't want to get into an argument with her about, like, jurisprudence, you know? She definitely has got some hang-ups about who gets to do what. Just talk Broncos, smoke cigs. She thinks she's a Broncos fan? That area in, you know. One of those, like, definitely seemed uptight, but the bar, you just saw a different side. Yeah. Those are some of my favorites back in the day. It's like, oh. Favorite what? Really home. Just to hang out with. Like those pool tables. Pickin' Nits. How did the Mexican guy miss Emily Blunt in the beginning? In Arizona. Oh. She opens the door and he's where Craig is and just completely misses her. It's like, you have one job. You're in a fucking cartel with a gun. The federal guy? The guy, when she opens the door and he shoots at her and she kills him. You'll find out soon with two shots with Craig Holbeck coming up next. I thought that he might be aiming for the Delta guys. Oh, I guess he was shooting because he shoots out the window. Yeah, he's a bad shot. At the Wild Pony, Kate orders two beers. It's a pet peeve of mine for all movies and TV when people don't say the beer. Which, Michelob Ultra would have been great because we love Michelob Ultra, but I'm always like when they're protecting the integrity of we can't have spot. Like, you're doing all this other stuff in a movie. And it's like, you have to draw the line in integrity just to have her say two beers. Nobody's ever ordered two beers. What was the primal fear fight that we had, though, where it was like, was it the usual? What was the order that he does at the bar? And you guys were like, this is not correct. I was on the opposite. Side of you guys. Yeah, you were like, I would love to be able to say the usual and I get like an ice cold martini or something, but we were like, we make up names all these things in movies. Just make up a name of beer. So like, give me the Amarillo. Amarillo light. Great. Okay. Just give her the Amarillo lights and we're ready to go. So this is really more like you have an issue with the prop master. It should have been working a little harder. It takes me out of the movie. When somebody orders two beers, I feel like I'm watching a movie. Everything about the movie is so authentic except for somebody being like, two beers. What do you think she likes to drink in real life? Oh, she's definitely pounding light beers. Yeah. Yeah. With shots. Yeah. Yeah. Tequila. A couple shots. Michelobo, light beer. Boilermaker. Yeah. 90 calorie light beers, but with shots. And she definitely didn't eat all day. That's very attractive. Yes. Probably didn't eat the entire day. I gotta admit, after she had a near death experience with Bernthal, she's so fucking haggard. Yeah. Dark circles under her eyes. Her hair is all oily and she's smoking a cig in the bathroom. I'm still like, let's go. Dana Wheeler, Nicholson Award. I'm just like, all the draft picks for that. Yeah. At the end of the day, she looks like Emily Blunt. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. They can't change it. Well, that leads to another nitpick I had. Would you really have a cigarette right after you've almost been strangled? I feel like I'd wait six hours. Yeah, but when you really smoke, the cigarette comes after everything. When you're really about it. I almost had the life choked out of me. Do you guys have another? What were the cigarettes called? I would have a cigarette after the Heimlich maneuver if I could, you know, like yeah. I don't know. I think she would have waited. I'm not going to make the inappropriate comment. Arrest Alejandro in the tunnel is ridiculous. It's the worst part of the movie. And then Alejandro forcing Kate to send the documents saying it was all legal. Just sign it and then tell them after he put a gun to my head and forced me to sign it and I didn't really mean to sign it. And here's what happened. Also, just strange that after the Victor Garber character has said they have the authority to do whatever they want. Basically that they're like this entire thing rests on Kate signing a piece of paper. Now that whole piece of paper might incriminate Kate, which also may be why she's like, I don't want to sign this because I didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, but yeah, there's there's like a weird end of this movie where Matt allows her to leave the tunnel area despite saying I'm going to expose this entire operation. And also Alejandro is like I can't I have to kill you if you don't sign a piece of paper that we could easily just like doctor she's calling him out by that point. What do you have for nitpicks? Well, what's Ted's plan? Ted has been following absolutely Kate so that he can seduce her so that he can get the information that the cartel wants about what she knows because they spotted her going into the bank, right? That's the setup there. But she did he know that she was going to go with Reggie who was a pal of Kate's and who could serve as an intro. Is that just good luck? It's the kind of mistake you make when you read a movie not realizing people are going to watch it 35 times. Yeah, it's just a little strange. Trying to get in with her and get closer to her. I don't think he's trying to solve everything in one night, but maybe become like a steady hookup and then he can get information. Okay. The same thing happens with what's Alejandro's plan. So he's like Sylvia or did they know Sylvia was going to be at the end of the tunnel? Like what happens if Sylvia is not there and there are no cars there? Like how does he catch up? Well, they know once they kidnapped Guillermo, they know they have like two days, right? Before they destroyed the tunnel. Yes. So they're like immediately it's go time. Yeah, but then once you get there, how do you find Manuel? Yeah, I guess you just have to assume you can get a car. Sure. Right? And you're going somewhere because they're tracking Manuel. Right. Once he crosses into Mexico. But having a police cruiser is like the ultimate hack for nailing Manuel. Right. How did he know it was dinner time? Could have come like right after when they're playing video games. Great note. She's really really fortunate. Yeah. Walks up, the kids are playing Madden. I'll let them finish. It's the fourth quarter. Are you running the spread? Time to meet God. I was going to say time to meet Bill Parcells. Any other nitpicks? We covered a lot. I think we've hit all of them. Sometimes it feels like Graver will be candid with Kate when it's convenient for the movie, but why would he be like that? Agreed with that. He explains a lot of stuff he doesn't have to explain. Do we cover everything? Yeah, I think so. Alright. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. Prestige TV would work for this. Yeah. And I actually think it could evolve with the news and kind of what should have happened with Homeland and they just kind of fucked it up. But Homeland, they got so, Brody was so popular that it kind of fucked up the show and then they brought it back. Every season could have been a different kind of conflict. Yeah. It just should have been new season, new everything. Yeah. Like 24. 24 would do that. Sure. Very realistic. The sequel, there is a sequel. I'd take a third, but I would also watch, albeit I think I would go to hell for watching it, Alejandro Mexican Prosecutor and Colombian Cartelist. Assassin, like the prequel to how he gets hooked up with them. And also. I think that's that Patrick Dempsey show. I think that's the premise. What's that one called? Memories of a Murderer. Oh, and he's like a hitman? Yeah. I would also watch Kate Smalltown Sheriff after she moves out of Arizona and he's like, go to a small town where the rule of law still exists. I want the Jeffrey Donovan show. Yeah. Well, that's essentially two. Him just getting boners? Yeah. Cracking wise. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe, or somebody else, C.R.? It is C.R. month. I'm getting too seduced by Zane, but I gotta do it. Zane talking to Ted before he goes into the bar. Ted, man, here we are. You've been low, man. You struck out in slow-pitch softball in front of the entire Phoenix law enforcement community, but you're ready to rise again like a Phoenix brother. And here you are. You got Kate in there. Just make sure you don't use the rubber bands of the Sonoran cartel, brother. That now that I hear it out loud in my head, sounds a little like Danny Archer in Blood Diamond. Like I'm saying T.I.A. Diplomatic immunity. We gotta add Danny Archer to the possibility. I'm sorry, Zane. You're not, you're not, it's not that good. But yeah, that was what I had. Tell me about your Jenny, Ted. I thought for sure we're getting Wayne. Wayne must be officially retired. Sounds like it. I think Wayne's gotta take a minute. Wayne's gotta, we gotta put Wayne in the bullpen. I mean, I would use Fergie, but there's a lot of chemical way in this movie, so. Does he, when they, when they, when Benicio's finger goes in his ear, does he say, God damn! Like, I don't know if he does say it. He kind of does. He does go Wayne for a second. Just one Oscar who gets it. I would go Del Toro personally. Del Toro or Deacons, yeah. Johan Johansson? For the score? I don't know if there is enough music, but it's Such a distinctive. It's very effective. probably unanswerable questions. Is this a better movie if Kate shoots Alejandro in the head at the end? No. No. But is it a better movie if the last shot is Alejandro walking away from the apartment building and not going to Mexico one more time? Like, did you think that the soccer game was like a little too. I almost did nitpick for this. I didn't like the soccer game. I thought the quality of the play was low. Interesting. These kids are in Mexico. Right. They start out, they start from the middle, does the kick. Not the best pitch. The fucking defender misses it. Yeah. Completely. It's like you guys, it's just your national sport. You couldn't have even controlled one pass. You guys are 11-year-olds. They're playing on dirt. Yeah. So it was probably a little bit difficult. I didn't like the quality of the game. I thought I would have done a second take. Are you going to the World Cup? It's very possible I will. Why? Just curious. Okay. Are you going? Maybe. We have it. You think we won't have it? It's a way, man. So you think not a better movie if she shoots Alejandro? No. For the record, I like the ending of Mexico because I do think that the movie is ultimately like nothing has changed. Nothing has been fixed. I like the ending. I think it's a very strong point and I love that. And these are the real people this is impacting. Yeah. And the Haysbert point you made about heat where it's like you have to have these threads in the movie that show other worlds. It can't just be like two trains on a track ready to hit each other. There's other stuff that is affected by this. I think it's actually a very graceful thing that isn't in the other Sheridan movies that Villeneuve brings to it. I mean, weirdly, the only character you really care about in the movie is Silvio and his son. Like that's the one you actually have the most connection to emotionally. I care about Graver. Yeah, we know that. Unanswerable questions. Is there a worse Halloween costume than dressing up like the body bags on the wall from Sicario? Just showing up at a party. I've never thought about it. Who are you guys? I'm one of the body bags from Sicario. Cool. Jesus Christ. Want a beer? It's got to be number one, right? I guess being the little girls from The Shining would be bad. Yeah, that would be pretty tough. That's a pretty common one. You'll see that on about, yeah. Burnt to a crisp Gabriel Byrne from Red Sari. Did Kate remarry? Did Kate ever date again? Does the Watanay Award, what happened the next day? What happened with Kate? Let's really talk about the next five years. I think maybe she and Ted got back together. I think they worked it out. Yeah, they figured it out. Bailed him out. But he's in the kill house at Corcoran. She's visiting him. Did Kate move to a desk job? What are her, what do the next two years look like, C.R.? Other than a lot of nicotine. That's a, I just, I would like to believe that she still believes in the power of law enforcement. So, like, you know, maybe she's a cop somewhere. No, she works at a post office. Come on. Yeah. Or she's, like, got a desk job. Selling knitting on Etsy or something. Yeah. Knitting. Yeah, she knits bras. Unanswerable question. It's the land of wolves. Are you a wolf, C.R.? I don't think you can answer that about yourself. It's like giving yourself a nickname. Somebody else asked it. Yeah, you have to, you guys would have to tell me. Do you have any unanswerables? You got them all. Okay. Anything? What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I would want the rubber band from the bankroll and just, like, leave it on tables and see if you notice. I think it's the Bernthal rubber band. That's what I had, too. The fake cocaine bricks in the car when Alejandro kidnaps the cop and there's, like, there's all those bricks. You could talk me into that. It would be pretty cool if that was my backdrop for this month. Just fake cocaine bricks? With just keys of cocaine behind me. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, word, best, worst, life lesson. You will doubt everything we do, but in the end, you'll understand. I think that's gotta be the answer, right? Yeah, it's been how I feel working for you. Thanks. Best double feature choice. Sicario 2 Soldado if you want to just keep the Graver and Alejandro train rolling. I chose, Abel Ferraro's King of New York. Oh. Another, like, vicious movie about the way things are. I have Fast Five. Okay. Brazil. Tunnel. It's the happier, entertaining version of Sicario. Oh, shit, Bill. And I would start with Fast Five and then I would go to Sicario. Where would you be? I would go Happy. Triple feature. Oh, no, double feature. You want to start Fast Five, Sicario. Sicario. Yeah. That's good. And then Furious 6 after that? No. Okay. Just those two. What do you have for a double feature? Probably Happy Gilmore. It's a really funny movie. Who won the movie? I actually think there's an obvious choice for this. I'm going to make a case for Taylor Sheridan. I don't think I have that written down here. I had Benicio written down, but the more that we talked about it, first of all, it sends him on this incredible trajectory where he's arguably one of the most powerful people in entertainment right now. That was who I had, and I think it's the obvious winner because he literally won the movie. It jumpstarts an 11-year-and-counting career that Sean now detests. Well, I wouldn't say I detest it. No, you kind of said it. I think it's a waste of skill. Screenwriting talent. Yeah. Should you do the Chaz Palminteri speech to him? Wasted talent. There's nothing worse than this. But I think that some of his filmmaking experience is like making without remorse and having that get chopped up and stuff. I mean, I think he's probably like, I want control over my scripts. I totally understand. Is that my camera? Taylor Sheridan, don't stop what you're doing, man. I love your work. Do you think he listens? No. Do you think he listens to pods? No. You know why? Because he's writing like 10 pages a day for seven shows. I had him on The Big Picture in 2017 for Wind River, but he's the only guest who's ever called in by cell phone. Was he cool? Wow. He was pretty cool, actually. When you watch him on the videos for Sicario for the featurette he seems a little bit chiller than he does now. Yeah. That was your only cell phone? I had Alton from The Real World call in once on the cell phone in year one of the BS Report in 07 and at one point he bought cigarettes. I remember that. He's like, hold on one second. And then he's like, can I get a pack of camels? Alton, who is of course the greatest athlete of the 21st century. Didn't Buecher and Stiney Moe used to call in on cell phones while they were walking around Dallas and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why we had to eventually stop that combo. Yeah. It wasn't great, from a cell phone standpoint. A three-man weave, dude. How do you do a three-man weave with a cell phone? That's the thing. But that was, we didn't know any better back then. He was Amadeus, dude. He was just conducting it. I know, I know. He was just figuring it out in real time. Masterful. Those were also, me and Ciara would text about those pods. Be like, did you hear the three-man weave today? Pretty fucking awesome. It would be the three-man weaves, Chad Ford. Yeah. God. Obviously Sal. Who were some of the others that I was just like, this is- Jacko. Jacko. Jacko, elite guest. Jacko had a great run. The Yankees. I remember the first time I heard Lombardi talk about blue chips, I was like, this is blowing my mind. Like, I'd never considered this. Who'd you have for who in the movie? I wrote Benicio down, but I thought that was a very compelling Taylor Sheridan kiss. Oh, it's clearly Sheridan. Craig, your thoughts on Sicario? I'm surprised no one said Denis. Or not even with the Just One Oscar that nobody said Denis. I even feel like we talked about it. This is the lowest grossing of his Hollywood movies. This is not like a movie that put him on the map. Like, prisoners put him on the map, and then I think Arrival is where he elevates. But what you guys talked about with how much longer the script was, how much they cut out of it, how they kind of changed the perspective. It's not actually that much longer. Like, pretty much all the plot beats and a lot of the dialogue is in this screenplay. They cut lines. So, like, a lot of Alejandro's lines were given to Graver or they get cut from the movie. And the opening scene you said is initially of Alejandro killing somebody, right? And doing a voiceover about, like. Do you need to tighten the screws on this in a way that makes this borderline a perfect movie? And it takes it from a pretty good movie to a perfect movie. Yeah. Like, a good example is, like, at the end of the screenplay, Alejandro actually says the last title card about, like, Sicario's go back to, like, ancient Jerusalem, like, expelling the Romans. He says all that. And it's like, this is really awkward. Soldato has more of that energy. Yes. It's a little. You can kind of feel Sheridan's words more in the screenplay. It's a very good point. I think he was already on the train to becoming who he was going to become. This movie becomes. You know, like I said, it's still my favorite, but I think a lot of people would say Arrival is his best movie. I think the Dune movies are beloved now. He's had a really cool career. I go back and forth between this and Arrival. I don't think this movie is nearly as big as the Dune movies have been for him. Definitely not. Yeah. And especially with 25 and under. It's like, my son had never seen Sicario, and I don't think any of his friends. I think it's in that perfect sweet spot of, you know, of beloved, but not. It's also like you can discover it, which is the best thing about it. Are you a Prisoners fan? Yeah. Also, I was wrong. Thinking back, I did not see this in the theater. I remember seeing The Martian, did not see this. Watched it on my laptop, and I think I was 19 or 20. And I remember leaving it kind of underwhelmed because I think I went in thinking it was a bigger action movie, fast-paced, and it's a little bit slower than that. Yeah. Upon rewatch last night on the TV, blasting the speakers, lights off, this is like the best movie ever made. It's so fucking good. I mean, he can make. No one's better at aerial shots right now than Denis. Those shots of Juarez as they're going in. Affleck is giving up. He's like, I thought I had the helicopter corner for a while. You can watch a car on the freeway from above for like a minute, and it's the most interesting thing. All those shots have ideas too, man. Yes. Like, so many of those drone shots that people will do now are just transition shots, and they'll be like, all right, here's a cityscape, and it's like. It's usually one lonely car on a lonely road going over a forest space, but just giving you. It's not really Chandler, Arizona, but the very beginning of the movie when you see the kind of like Pueblo town almost. This like suburban kind of, it's kind of like the inlet in The Rip, you know, where it's like almost like an abandoned suburb that exists only to house drug money. The Rip has a lot of Sicario vibes. It does. The shot, there's a shot when they're in the private jet that they've requisitioned to go to the Air Force Base. The shot of like the shadow of the jet like kind of rippling over the landscape. It's just fucking crazy, dude. Yeah, you hold your breath this entire movie. Also, we didn't do the category of what's the perfect age. I know, I forgot to set you up for it. The perfect age to see this movie is not 19. Like you just, you couldn't, you can't grasp what they're trying to say. And even now, it's like I'm now just being like, oh, this movie means so much more and you understand the subtext so much more because nothing is very deliberate in this film. It's all kind of something you have to read into. So that also probably played a factor in why as a 20 year old, I was like, pretty good. I forget to set you up. At the top about, it's 200 and. It's two hours flat. Two hours flat. I was shocked. I would have bet my life this movie was two hours and 25 minutes. It's remarkable. This type of movie is always two hours and 25 minutes. Now, remarkable that it's two flat. So was it on the Horlback scale where you think every movie has to be 100 minutes? There's almost. It's plus 20. There's not a lot to cut out of this movie. Like what would you cut? Well, the only thing you could cut out is the Bernthal stuff, which is probably saves you 10 minutes. No, it's essential. I like it. You can't cut the Bernthal stuff. It's also like that binds her to Alejandro. It's like almost why she. He follows him down the tunnels. She's like, I need to know what this guy is about. I don't think there's anything to cut. There's kind of two different categories of movie. There's like the 100 minute types of movie and then there's the two hour kind of movie where I think most two and a half hour dramas now could be two hours. And then there's a lot of comedies and rom-coms that are two hours that should be an hour 40. I will say this. If you were forced to cut, the studios like we're not releasing unless you cut five minutes, I would cut all the stuff with the cop in the beginning and the end in the soccer. I just think that would. You need everything else for the plot. Yeah, I don't. That's like a luxury that you could still have mostly the same movie. But I really like having it. I just think it's so grounding for the story. Also, it makes the scene, which I don't even know if we talked about it, when Benicio's sitting in the backseat of Silvio's car and making him go to Manuel. Yeah. And he's like, you know, run your lights and tell him to get out of the car. You're a very good police officer. It makes that way more tense because you're like, we've spent this whole movie with this guy. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's it for the first round of CR month. We have five movies this month. Next week, we're doing Fargo. Yeah. Week after, just announced, we're doing To Live and Die in L.A. Sean's going to be in, even though he's in like full Oscars thing. We're trying to kill Sean this month. I can do it. I just rewatched it. I'm very excited. We were saying outside, we could probably start To Live and Die in L.A. rewatchables like right now. Like just do it blind? Yeah. Do you want to announce the other project? No, because I'm not positive that's this month. We're going to do a sixth thing, but it's either going to be a mailbag or the mystery project. Then we have two more, which we haven't decided on yet. We're in constant negotiations. We have the last one. L.A. Confidential is the fifth one. Yes. I guess we didn't announce that one. We just did. How does it work? Is Chris pitching you on the movies? Does he have you in viral control? No, he can ultimately decide. Oh, wow. Thank you. I don't think I've ever gotten you to say that. So the fourth one, well, I still have to prove it. I did not. The fourth one, so the third one, does that count as a one for us or did people want that one? People wanted it. People were very pumped out. So we still have a one for us card for the fourth one, essentially. Or we could just go nuts. Well, I mean, the streets really want a couple of big titles, but I think we have to hold Hunt for October for October. There's nothing like doing Hunt for October in the fall. For the Phillies playoff. Yeah, exactly. So we're scouting a couple. I'm really honored to be a part of this. Cigar month? Well, every. Every month of your life has been Cigar month since like 2006. I'm but a joy and the gift that keeps on giving. Greenwald said it's been Cigar month for him since 1996. 30 years, yeah. Yeah. So we're getting Greenwald for the last one. You know, the universal approval rating. Like, that should be his other nickname. It's right before the fall. Well, we're going to do. I peek here and then everything goes downhill. But I'm getting you redacted, unredacted out of Epstein. So now it's all going to come to light. It's just Epstein being like, this guy, Cigar, loves heat. Chris wrote that scene in Sicario where Alejandro. heterosexually assaults him. You know? Well, we have heat in the background. What language is that? Un epico de. It's Spanish, dude. Didn't you. Didn't you take Spanish? Un epico de crimen y obsesión. That could be a bunch of languages. I don't know. You can tell me that's Italian. It's Spanish to me. I think it's Spanish. I think it's probably Spanish. The Y is, I think, the giveaway. We're not doing heat. Way to go, Guillermo. We're not doing Hunt of Red October. No. And we're not doing Alien. We're not doing Alien. Is heat. Because we're going to do Aliens this summer. Yes. Because it's the anniversary. Yes. Okay, so no Hunt of Red October, no Aliens, no five heat. Yes, we'll cross those off. And the fourth one is going to be one for us-ish. But we don't. But people have asked for the revise, but I think we're going to hold on to that. No, because I think we. Yeah, we're going to hold on to that one. In case Jamie Foxx wants to do it. Is Ted Sarandos watching right now, do you think? Probably not. Okay. Is heat. He probably can't believe he just got $2.8 billion to back out of a deal. The ultimate. He's like, you're telling me I get $2.8 billion and these three guys? Yes! Is heat's tagline an epic of crime and obsession? Does it say that on the American poster? It's an LA crime saga, is the tagline. Interesting. There you go. All right, thanks to Craig Krolbeck. Thanks to Gahow and Eduardo as well. Thanks to Jack Wilson, everybody behind the scenes. It was very fun doing a Netflix live. Yeah. 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