Short Stuff: Hisashi Ouchi

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I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerry's sitting in for Dave, and this is Short Stuff. A really sad edition. Yeah, for sure, because this is about a nuclear accident, and one very famous victim of that accident, a man in Japan named Hisashi Ouchi, who at the time was a 35-year-old worker at a nuclear facility, and he got a massive blast of radiation in 1999. It was called a criticality accident, and he was in a criticality accident, and he was in a criticality accident, and what was the name of the town? In Takaimura. Takaimura, okay, great. Yeah, or no, Tokaimura, sorry. And that's called the Tokaimura nuclear accident, is what it's called. And like you said, it was a criticality, because there wasn't like a nuclear explosion or anything like that. It was an uncontrolled nuclear fission reaction that these guys accidentally created while they were doing their job processing the radiation. uranium oxide into usable uranium-235 fuel to be used in an actual nuclear reactor. This is not a nuclear plant. It was the kind of plant that produces fuel for nuclear plants. That's right. This is the morning of September 30th, 1999. And what they specifically were doing in that moment was they were dissolving that uranium oxide, like you were saying. And this was the procedure, what I'm describing now is the approved procedure, actually. Yeah, right. So they were supposed to have dissolved that uranium oxide in a geometrically safe vessel. And then what you end up with is a uranyl nitrite solution. And you put that into a buffer tank and then transfer little bits of that into a precipitation tank. This company, is it JCO is the name of the company? Yeah. They said, all right, we're going to speed this up. And this procedure is not approved. But what we want you guys to do is mix the solution in stainless steel buckets and then pour it directly into the precipitation tank. And not only pour it directly in the precipitation tank, pour so much in there that we have like five to six times the approved amount in that precipitation tank at once, right? I think there's like seven times. Okay. A lot. A lot more than was supposed to be in there. And I just want to point out, like you were saying, there was an approved procedure and JCO said, nuts to that. We're going to do this faster one, right? That's just what they were doing with their workers. It's crazy because this is nuclear uranium 235 fuel that they're making. And so when they put in these three workers, including Hisashi Ouchi, when they put in the seventh bucket of this stuff directly in the precipitation tank, there were 16.6 kilos. Those are 36.6 pounds of uranium in there, which is way more than was allowed to be in there. I think it was 2.4 keys or kilograms that was allowed to be in there. And they had 16.6, Chuck. Yeah. So that reached critical mass pretty quickly and started a self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction. And like you said, it wasn't like an explosion or anything like that, but it was a huge burst of neutron and gamma radiation. Like incredible Hulk levels. Yeah. And it went on and off for about 20 hours until the emergency workers finally drained water from the tank's cooling jacket and then added boric acid to absorb the neutrons. But, you know, very sadly, Ouchi received a dose equivalent of 17 sieverts. It's kind of hard to like get an exact calculation, but it was an incredibly large amount of radiation, like so much that they have He's been called the most radioactive man in history, which is a bit of a misnomer because he had this burst of radiation, but it's not like he was walking around like radioactive to other people or anything like that. It's a little surprising to me, but OK, well, I'll take that. I did a little bit of Josh math here, Chuck. Oh, boy. Well, it's not even Josh math. It's more Josh checking. So you said that Ouchi received 17 sieverts of radiation, right? Yeah. I'm not laughing at that. I'm laughing at your math, by the way. No, I understand. Yeah. One millirem is equal to 0.00001 sieverts. OK? OK. You get 20 millirems from a chest X-ray. He got 17 sieverts all at once. Wow. I mean, that's just such a mind-boggling amount of radiation that I can't believe he didn't die immediately. Let's take a break and come back and talk about Ouchi's agonizing 83 days of life that followed that radiation exposure. All right. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody. You made it through summer. Or more to the point, your home did. So maybe show it a little love. Lowe's Labor Day deals can help with that. We're talking up to 45 percent off select major appliances. And up to an additional $100 off select laundry pairs. Basically, they've got great deals on appliances. Lowe's hasn't forgotten your lawn, either. 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They couldn't find chromosomal structures throughout his body that weren't just totally messed up. Yeah. We should mention there were three guys. There were three guys in the immediate area. He was the one closest to the tank. There was another guy a little less close to the tank. And then, I guess, the third guy even less close to the tank. Ochi was taken to a local hospital at first, obviously, like very quickly, and then transferred to the National Institute of Radiological Sciences in Chiba. But then eventually would end up at the University of Tokyo Hospital for some really extensive specialized treatment. But they had no roadmap for this, so they were kind of trying anything. Exactly. They got in touch with his sister, who was like, hey, he is not really able to produce new white blood cells. Basically, any fast-growing, fast-regenerating cell, it took the damage the most. And that's where it showed up first, because those are the cells that are dividing. And now that their DNA is messed up, they're dividing in all sorts of terrible ways. So the things that made up, like, the lining to his gut, those fast-dividing cells, they started to show problems first. His skin, and then his bone marrow that produces white blood cells, red blood cells, all sorts of really important stuff. That was probably the biggest problem, because he was very vulnerable to infection without a bunch of white blood cells, or not producing correct ones anymore. So they went to his sister and said, hey, can you donate some bone marrow? And she did. Yeah, so, you know, like I said, they were trying blood transfusions at first. Stem cells. Stem cell transplants, and that's where his sister came into play. And initially, it showed, like, that transplant produced some new white blood cells, but very quickly, they started getting damaged, and, you know, basically in the same way. He was just so riddled with it. And his skin and his intestinal lining couldn't regenerate normally. He had to constantly get fluids, like, replaced all throughout his body. He was on respiratory support. And, like, organ failure started to set in. Yeah. So the guy who was second closest when that radiation blast went off, his name was Masato Shinohara, and he died from his injuries in 2000, April 2000. But about four months before, on December 21st, 1999, Hisachi Ouchi died at the University of Tokyo Hospital, and it had been 83 days since he had undergone that. And so, of course, this made really big news around Japan and around the world. Like, this is nuts that anybody even lasted that long, let alone just the grisliness of the whole thing. So everybody was like, how did this happen at all? And they started looking at JCO. And it turns out JCO was a terrible, terrible company that had no business doing something as important and dangerous as nuclear fuel production. Yeah, for sure. That third worker survived, by the way, out of the three. Yeah. But, yeah, JCO had allowed a lot of shortcuts to happen. Like you said, the instructions just for this were that wasn't the approved procedure. There was not a lot of regulatory approval going on. The workers didn't have safety training that they needed. The facility didn't have a critical incident alarm, which is crazy. They just, I guess they thought that, like, there wouldn't be that kind of accident there. That's what happened. It was like a three-mile island. Hubris. Yeah, that's right. That same thing. They also weren't conducting the kind of inspections routinely that they needed to. And that might have turned up like, hey, this process that we're using is, like, really unsafe and we should be using the approved process. So I just want to point out, I think it's probably clear, but I just want to make 100% clear. These three workers were not taking their own shortcut. They were doing the procedure that their company was telling them to, which was a dangerous shortcut. So the dangerous shortcut was official company procedures. Teacher, right? Yeah. So as far as the official, like, blame or whatever, the International Atomic Energy Agency said it was human error combined with serious breaches of safety principles. For JCO's part, they, in 2003, six of the officials got suspended prison sentences for professional negligence. The company was fined and they couldn't, they had shut down the plant, didn't they? They did. They would think it was the first time ever that a company. They lost its license to enrich nuclear fuel in Japan. Yeah. And then also they were like, you know, these safety inspectors that didn't do the proper inspections that would have turned up that issue with the different procedure, they fell down too. So Japan really kind of bulked up its nuclear stuff and now everything's great. Yeah. I mean, you know, it exposed, like, what could happen. And I think with every time we do something like this. Like, it's like, they're very sad stories, but it seems like they come out on the other side with like, all right, now we're trying to do it right. Don't you think? Yeah. I think because in this case, JCO maybe wasn't powerful enough to try to fight having to change. So it did end up for the best. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else? I got nothing else. Well, then I say you give it to them. Short Stuff is out. Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio.