Shock Call to Execute Elon Musk, Hegseth Impeachment Push, and Truth About Absurd Puff Piece, with Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1438

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that Tesla this is disgusting these people are so disgusting what's with all the calls for violence on the left and the and the you know let's just kill our enemies talk from that insane podcaster the ugly Jennifer Welsh and I mean that term in every when in every sense Dave Chappelle a disgusting fool and now this Scott Galoway I like and everybody around him is like fine with it ha ha so funny I mean it's like it's disgusting it's pathetic and it really does speak to the corrosion of our society in our civil bounds that we used to operate within when having political disputes I mean been around for a long time we've been having these political disputes for a long time and heartfelt tough ones like about the Iraq war I don't recall it ever being quite this unhinged and now today we have the effort to impeach secretary of war Pete Hegseth which is heating up and he may be in a lot of trouble Ted Cruz actually of all people offering some commentary on where this is likely to go and was not predicting a good outcome for Hegseth joining me now Matt Taiibi he's founder of racket news on sub stack the best part of the holidays the traditions we share taking walks with the kids preparing the traditional family meal decorating the tree together but when everyday aches and pains get in the way even the things we love can feel like work that's what makes real pain relief so important relief factor is designed to support your body's natural response to inflammation it doesn't just mask the pain it deals with it at the source and I know because it worked for me myself when joint stiffness sets in keeping up with everyone can be tough getting out of pain is just the beginning the real gift is what comes next more of the moments and people you don't want to miss this holiday season take the first step visit relief factor dot com for your three week quick start just $17.76 or simply call 1-800-4 relief you will connect with their friendly local team and they will do everything they can to help you enjoy your holidays the way you want to pain free relief factor take your holidays back and take your life back Matt welcome back great to have you thanks we'll get to all the crazy ass calls for killing people in a second but let's just start with a headset thing and I'll I'll give you what's the headline is that Thomas Matthew has introduced messy eight articles of impeachment against Pete Hegseth for what it's worth Jonathan Turley says he doesn't think much of six of them but two of them he thinks may have some legs but Ted Cruz now I think this is kind of interesting the thing about Ted Cruz because look now keep mine Ted Cruz is likely going to run for president in 28 and there's some buzz that Pete Hegseth may have eyes on running for the presidency in 28 so he could be looking at him as a potential competitor they also have a lot in common because they're both very pro war very pro war very pro Israel so I would have expected him to have Pete's back for potentially but I don't know because they could be political rivals just trying to factor in alleged or potential biases here but here's what Ted Cruz said on his own podcast on the ninth which is yesterday right today's the 10th about Pete's chances watch listen one of the reasons the house has been out of session for a couple of months and and reason they've been out of session is because they didn't have the votes to stop a Hegseth impeachment back in September either Hegseth is going to step down either he will resign voluntarily or Trump will fire him or if that does not happen I think it is extremely likely if not certain that the house will impeach him because on the face of it the votes are there now if that happens it then goes to the senate and the senate has the responsibility of conducting the trial now if it happens now during the lame duck it's possible that that the majority still under republican control could dispose of it if he resigns now and the president nominates a new defense secretary we can nominate we can confirm the new defense secretary it if he resigns or is fired next year we can't confirm a replacement okay so he's making a push to he's saying Pete's toast and saying let's just get it over with now while we have control of the senate we can control the upper down vote on his replacement Pete came out today an oppressor and just went at it here's a bit and sat six I'll get right to it what one disgruntled and defeated congressman is attempting is not oversight and it's not accountability it's a political spectacle a personal manifesto driven by ego and resentment time for one man's final days in congress to try to do damage to this president this country and most irresponsibly the warriors who defended it's a farce and it's a stunt and everybody knows it one final point Pete in his clever move tried to paint this about criminalizing the actions of our soldiers among the other items that have been raised in the impeachment articles are the attacks on the Venice will and drug boats the Iran war and the alleged quote kidnapping of Nicholas Maduro at a Venezuela those are all actions that our troops have participated in but Thomas Masley is taking issue with the commands not the issue not the behavior of the troops that's not to say that the Democrats might not go there if you know this floodgate is opened I don't know but here's just Pete trying to really talk about how this dangers are warriors sought nine to be clear about what this resolution actually does it tells our enemies Iran the cartels every adversary watching that the United States will actually punish its own warriors and its own civilian leadership for successfully executing lawful military operations it tells them that a single rogue legislator loaded with personal animus for the president can attempt to veto national security decisions made by the duly elected commander in chief it puts a target on the backs of American warriors by signaling that Congress will undermine their missions in real time this is not patriotism this is sabotage you know five years ago America was humiliated in Kabul Afghanistan and every enemy on earth took notice but somehow as the president pointed out yesterday no impeachment vote for Lloyd Austin for that terrible withdrawal fair point certainly on that last point so what do you make of the attempted impeachment of pete xf well it's a it's a fascinating case I'm a little torn on the issue because on one hand we have been sort of skirting the the rule that the basically the Congress has to have some oversight over decisions to go to war for my entire lifetime the specific conditions that hexf is being charged with misusing article two powers of the constitution have been used over and over again for unapproved congressional unapproved military strikes dating back to the eighties we've had a whole slew of military actions since nine eleven that were approved under the AUMF now that doesn't come into play with these hexf cases but in none of these was there any kind of proper congressional oversight and the thing that hexf is talking about where you might have a. civilian official who's punished for essentially legally, you know, executing a legal order. That wouldn't happen if we had followed the procedure that we historically followed, which is Congress approves our decision to go to war and some faster or another. But what's hypocritical about this is that nobody ever said a thing before when it was Biden or Obama or Bush or Clinton or Reagan or any of it doesn't, you know, a number of other presidents doing essentially the same thing. >> Right. I mean, as for the Venezuelan drug boat strikes, at least they weren't Americans. That's who Barack Obama was killing without any congressional approval. Like he didn't get impeached, like his Secretary of War didn't get it defense at the time, didn't get impeached. It feels a little selective. >> The Obama case is really instructive because, you know, in that case, the administration essentially wrote itself a legal memo and it got around the fifth amendment requirement for due process by saying that a process that may not involve the defendant is still some kind of due process. In other words, as long as we discuss it amongst ourselves before we drone somebody to death who might be an American citizen and his son, that counts as due process. And that somehow nobody said a word. There was no discussion about, you know, impeaching the president after that. And that was crazy. I will grant that, you know, no lawyer that I've spoken to has said that they can think of any kind of legal justification that would cover the event as well, and drug boat, bombings. However, that's still better than assassinating an American citizen without trial. >> Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I mean, I don't know Ted Cruz has got an interesting point, you know, that they're definitely going to have the votes to impeach Pete once the Democrats take over. I mean, clearly they've won control of the House and it seems like it's going to wind up right now. They're still counting on a lot of jurisdictions. We've got some 40 seat majority, but it's going to go up. We think double that for the Democrats. So there's going to be zero problem impeaching Pete Hegseth once the Democrats take over. And I know the audience knows this, but just as a reminder, the end impeachment is basically an accusation, like an indictment, excuse me, the actual trial on the charges would happen in the Senate, and you need two-thirds of the sitting U.S. senators, which is 66 senators, and they're not going to have that. I mean, the Democrats are going to have 54, maybe 56, to get an extra 10 from the Republican side to vote to impeach the sitting Secretary of War. I mean, to vote to convict, I just, I don't know about that, but there is a concern. There is a concern that there will be enough Republicans rattled by this last election and worried about some of those not entirely kosher actions by the Department of War, or like not obviously kosher, not beyond all question that they might actually vote with the Dems and convict him. It's because, like, just the impeachment doesn't get rid of him. You have to be convicted, and that would get rid of him. Right. There would be a trial, I think, and Jonathan Turley pointed to two of the eight charges that would be probably the most likely to come close to passing, or resulting in a conviction would be the extrajudicial killings in the Venezuelan boats. And the other one would be the, the vent, killing, killing, killing, killing, killing, killing. If they win a conviction in those cases, it's very, very unlikely, but what I'd be most curious to see is whether they go back to instituting some kind of hard and fast rule about not doing that in the future, or whether this is a one-off about punishing just members of the Trump administration. I think this is very dumb, politically. Like this is, it's messy. It's not a Democrat. I mean, I think it's dumb for messy too. Massey has staked out this ground, obviously he's better because he got primaried by a Trump candidate and lost, but like, Massey has staked out this area that's been proven correct. He tried, he demanded justice on Epstein and more disclosure. He won that now, the bill that was passed as a result of him has enough holes that you could drive a truck through it, but at least we got it. We got it thanks to him. And then the Iran War, which he was also right about. Why do this, like why not let the Democrats just come in and do what they're going to do? Why take this on as an outgoing Republican congressman, like it just, I think it makes you look petty. It will, I think, have the effect of rallying the Trump base to some extent. That's kind of mad at Trump right now, but they're not going to like this. I don't want to start to see Republicans impeaching Republicans. I mean, it's getting a little exhausting. How many times is Trump been impeached if this becomes a thing that just happens, Willie Nile, with every administration that comes in? The public is going to get tired of it very quickly. In fact, I think that was a lot of what was going on with election night last week is just the frustration over the back and forth between the two parties. So yeah, I agree. I'm not sure that this would be a politically winning move, but you know, it's been hard to predict what wouldn't be popular in this environment. I don't think this is going to be popular. I just, I feel like I don't get it, I genuinely don't get it. And by the way, whatever Pete's done, he's done at the request of Trump. So this is just, this is kind of like when the Republicans impeached Mayorkas as DHS secretary. It was like, okay, if he's definitely not enforcing the border, that's for sure. But it's because of the old man with, you know, putting for a brain who's technically in the White House and in charge of these policies, who when he was still somewhat there had said he was erasing all of Trump's policies at the border. He undid all executive orders with his own executive orders. So it was like, we're kind of engaging in a fiction here that Pete Hegseth is to blame when these are the policies of Donald Trump. Yeah. And I think the public would be all in favor of a permanent move back toward having some kind of a process that would be more formalized for going to war. I mean, most people don't even know where we have military actions in the world now. I remember, you know, in the last, actually, I think it was in the 2016 elections cycle. We had active military operations in over six countries at the time of the election. And most people didn't even know where we were. And that's because we no longer have national debates about it. People would probably approve of a system that didn't allow us to just on a whim go into any country we wanted to. But if it's just about Donald Trump and just about Pete Hegseth, then this becomes a much weaker maneuver, I think. Mm-hmm. Well, you need congressional approval if you're going to declare war, which they don't. And they just do these sort of little military incursions, incursions, Matt. And all interests like the Iran War, which is a war, although Mark Levin is out there still trying to say, it's not, it's just a military operation. That's not just an operation. Oh, okay. All right, I mean, we dropped a bunch of bombs on them. We destroyed their Navy. Feels a little worried. But okay, so on that front of the Iran War, Pete Hegseth, one of the things he spoke to today was JD Vance saying the day after the midterms, we lost because of the war because our party wants more distance between us and Israel wants America first and wants this war to end. And Pete Hegseth spoke to that a bit in Sat 12th. Well, I respect Vice President greatly and I'm certainly not going to exchange in any finger pointing. And thankfully politics is not really my thing. I do the Department of War and making sure we're prepared and ready. So a lot of people are going to look at the conflict and assess it. And the Vice President has been a critical member of the team in every aspect of this and we're grateful for all the input. He's given me personally in our department. And I think going forward, we're going to learn all those lessons and apply them. But I agree with what the President said when he said, hey, if I had to do this all over again, would we do it again? Absolutely. It was done for the right reasons to ensure Iran never gets a nuclear weapon. As Marco Rubio said, I think quite well. It's not necessarily popular, but it may have been necessary. And that's a line that's being pushed by President Trump himself, like people were reacting to it, but it was the right move. I don't know how that's going to fly with the electorate between now and 2028. Now, I would suggest Matt that they're going to need to abandon that talking point as a front and center piece of their rhetoric. I mean, I really think, I realized they can't and President Trump's incapable of coming out and saying, I made the wrong decision. But I think people are so angry over the war that if Pete Hexeth actually does have hopes of running for president or Marco Rubio, who was also out there defending it. In fact, let me play you what he said at CPAC Mar-a-Lago the other day because he weighed in all these potential 20, 28 contenders are weighing in and here's Rubio in, uh, sat 20. This is November 6th. The most important thing the president can do for a country is to keep it safe. And there are people around the world who want to destroy it. They want to destroy our country. They want to destroy our way of life. Our baby. He was elected to do the hard things. The hard things. It would have been very easy to do with multiple presidents before it was done, but just ignore the Iran thing. Leave it for the next guy. Put it aside and don't worry about it. That would have been the easiest thing to do. Honestly, to just basically say, leave it alone. Who cares? That's going to be someone's problem in the future. But this president didn't do that. He confronted it because what Iran wants to do is not just destroy our country, to destroy our way of life and threaten our children. We cannot live in the world in which the most radical, terrorist regime on the planet possesses a weapon of mass destruction. And we've had president after president ignore it and allow it to linger, but this president wasn't allowed. Wasn't elected to ignore it. And he wasn't elected to allow threats to linger. And he did it for you. Not for him. Not for anybody else. He did it for you. Oh, please. He did it for Israel. That's so obvious. We all know that. Marco Rubio is the one who told us that the day after we launched the Iran war. And by the way, Matt, all that nonsense, that's a defense of what happened in June, 2025. Not what happened on February 28th, 2026. So you've got Rubio now and Hegg Seth carving out the, it was the right move irrespective of the electoral consequences. I mean, I'm sorry. I don't agree with that with the electoral consequences of that decision are so catastrophic. We're only beginning to start to feel them. But you can see lines are being drawn on 2028 JD's over here. Those two over here. And I would argue that Trump was elected to not go to war. That was the primary reason for the amount of the support that he got in 2024. Some of the people who are key supporters of his in that election cycle. And also the decision to make JD Vance the nominee over Rubio was because of a decision within Trump's team to send a signal in a more anti-war direction. There were two very vocal groups within Trump's camp. And the people who wanted to be a more isolationist, run a more isolationist campaign, one out. And that's why Vance ended up being the nominee and not Rubio. Then the national security state people were very disappointed that Rubio did not become the nominee. So, you know, and Trump, by the way, in 2016, I remember watching this, he sort of picked up that every time he mentioned endless wars or pointless wars or made fun of NATO, every time he did that, at the next speech, there would be more people in desert colored fatigues standing in the back of his presentations, watching his speeches. And they ended up becoming a very important part of his electorate in 2016, returning veterans. And so were people like Tulsi Gabbard and JD Vance in 2024. So, this decision, it's been catastrophic to his presidency. There's no other way to look at it. I agree. Now, I don't let it's like out of the frying pan into the fire. I don't know why Trump is now floating amnesty on the heels of this massive loss, right? Like the base already feels betrayed. Maybe there's no more base. Maybe that's the reality here. I mean, I myself said this the day after Tuesday last week, also known as Wednesday. When I said, what is MAGA? If MAGA only exists when Trump is on the ballot, then MAGA is dead. There is no MAGA. There's nothing to MAGA, electorally, that we should be thinking about talking about or considering in any way, shape or form. They're irrelevant if Trump's not on the ballot. So, okay, goodbye. We got to move on without them. But I do think that there's still Trump voters, shall we say, who felt very betrayed over Epstein, felt very betrayed over the Iran War, felt very betrayed over the amount of grift that we've seen in and around this administration. And still reeling, so disgusted were they that they actually pulled the lever for Democrats. I mean, and they did whites pulled the lever for Democrats, men pulled the lever for Democrats, young men and young people in general pulled the lever for Democrats, working class, non-college under 50,000 under 100,000. They all pulled the lever for Democrats. All those groups were Trump voters and went for Democrats this time. And Trump gets on 60 minutes on Sunday night and basically promises amnesty. I mean, he says, he doesn't say the word amnesty, but he's asked specifically what he's going to do. Do we have this sound, but I'm looking at my list. I played it yesterday, but in any event, maybe we can pull it over you guys. It's clear as day where Trump says he's interested in striking a deal. He wants to think about the landscaper or the house cleaner or the hotel cleaner, he said, who's been here for a long time and the only crime they committed was coming across the border illegally. And do that says, do you mean allowing them to stay here? And he says, yes, yes, that's what I mean. Then realizing that this is extremely unpopular and that he's caused quite a stir. Here it is, let's watch it. So you think your deportation policy went too far. It was too tough. I think it might be too tough, yeah. What would happen? What does the deal look like with the Democrats? Ultimately, that hurt me. Well, the deal would be we would work something out and I think that's something that's actually doable. Doable to create some kind of legal steps for the landscapers. When you go into a hotel and you have a woman that's worked there as a you know, as a maid, as a cleaner, as a this, as that, as a waitress, a lot of good things. Great job. And all of a sudden, they're being taken out of the country. It's tough. It's a tough thing. But there's a group of people that I would say on the sort of pretty far right that would like everybody taken that. Do some of the group of people do any of those people work in your administration? Are they in the building with us right now? No, well, there are a lot of those people. Then there's also people that are more modified on that. In other words, get the killers out, get all the rough ones out, get the drug dealers out. But let the people that are here, and in some cases here for 10 and 15 years work a deal for them. I mean, it's unambiguous what he's talking about. Work a deal. Work a deal. Work a deal. We'll work out a deal. And then realizing the pushback, Matt, he tries to come out at a White House briefing room presser yesterday and says the following. Saw three. We have a very strong deportation policy. There's no amnesty, no, no anything. We keep that. But we focus on the worst of the worst. We want to get the murders out. We've got most of them out. We've got most of the really bad, you know, they, they allowed Joe Biden allowed 100, well, 25 million people to come in of that 11,888 murderers, most of whom committed more than one murder. We've gotten most of them. We want to get the worst of the worst. And then we'll see what happens. But they came in illegally. Many of them have good jobs now. They're productive. Some of them are even paying taxes. And we're seeing what's going to happen. There won't be amnesty. Somebody suggested, will they be amnesty? No. But they came in, they knew the law. And we're working with a lot of different groups to see whether or not. But my policy hasn't changed. What we are doing is absolutely the worst of the worst. Okay. That is amnesty. And everyone knows it as James Fishback posted on ex Trump. I love cheese on top of red sauce on top of dough. Us pizza, Trump. I never said that. Yeah. So this is, this is funny because in he's done this several times before I was actually in a pool of reporters who were traveling with Trump in August of 2016 when he said there certainly can be a softening because we don't want to hurt people. And the very next night he came out and said, there's no amnesty as such. There's no amnesty, but we work with them. So it was exactly the same process. I don't know why he does this because he always ends up back in the place of zero tolerance and no amnesty. But every now and then he does blurt out these things about being willing to work with people who have been year for a long time. And it's amnesty. I mean, I just remember the reaction of other reporters saying he said, what? And that was a long time ago. That was already, you know, 10 years ago. And now, you know, it seems like he's losing a little bit of his political instincts and just trying things out and that's much harder to do when you have an established political record as opposed to a new candidate, which is what he was in, you know, 10 years ago. I mean, most of the political pundits I respect on the right agree that any kind of amnesty, any kind will be a catastrophic event for the Republican Party from which they will not recover for years to come. It doesn't matter how many Democrats support it, how many independent support it, or even how many sort of chamber of commerce Republican support it. It is so objectionable to the working class base of the Republican Party that it truly would devastate what is left of an already devastated party. And it, like, I just think it doesn't matter because I was just looking at the polls. In the polls show, there is support. Like here's Gallup, allowing immigrants living in the US illegally the chance to become US citizens if they meet certain requirements over a period of time. Combined either strongly support or favor 75%, oppose, combine 25%. The problem for Trump is those 25% are all Republicans. They're, they just are. And they will feel so betrayed and angry that it will absolutely forget it. There'll be no Marco Rubio, there'll be no JD Vance, there will be no Republican nominee from the Trump administration if this is what he tries to do. And he thinks it'll help his legacy with like the, the left or the independent middle. It won't, they hate him. And they're going to continue hating him, even if they manage to use him to get a couple of their agenda items through. Yeah. And, and the proof is in, is in the pudding here with the behavior of the Democratic Party in the last election cycle in 2024 when, you know, Kamala Harris and the Biden administration completely backed off their own immigration policies in the last election year. The polling was overwhelming. It was abundantly clear that it was a winning issue for the Republicans in 2024 that it had been early in this Trump presidency. So I have no idea what he's doing. This is not a situation where where he's going to win any votes by going back on those policies. Maybe changing the execution of the policies might win some popularity. I don't know, but, but not the policy itself, which was very popular. I like the electorate sometimes sways like this. Like that number is coming on the heels of what we saw in Minnesota and non-stop media coverage condemning ICE as evil and so on. I mean, the media was disgusting in the way it covered ICE trying to do its job, not to say that there weren't controversial incidents, but I mean, it was like there was nothing even attempting approaching fairness. But we saw the numbers exactly the other way after four years of an open border under Joe Biden. So, you know, they sway back and forth. But I do think like amnesty every other time we've tried it, it has led to more illegal immigration. It is an invitation. It is a red carpet down in Mexico. I just think this will be catastrophic. They absolutely should not do it. And it also doesn't make any sense. Why would you make Stephen Miller your chief of staff if you're actually getting ready to do this? Now Trump is the boss and the chief of staff is not as powerful in a Trump administration as they have been in other admins because he's so heavy-handed, a leader. So he'll tell Stephen Miller what the policy's going to be, not the other way around. But I can't imagine Stephen Miller's not trying to encourage him to reconsider this because he knows he knows very well what this will do. Yeah, who knows? I mean, maybe he's pulling some kind of Andy Kaufman routine on 60 minutes. It's hard to say what he's doing, but that's not going to help him politically. I don't think that in her. So now those of us who would like reason to prevail, we want like normal people who aren't going to fleece the American public once they get into office who aren't going to be absolute nutcases once they get in there are just left in the wilderness because we're going to be ruled by people like Peggy Philanagan and her land acknowledgments, Matt. It's a problem. And you look over at the left, you know, when you're trying to like comfort yourself like, all right, divided government, I like divided government to be honest. Like, I think most Americans like divided government because it stops them from doing anything. And I don't want them to do anything because they're not, it's been a long time since they've done anything for us. They usually do something to us that we don't like and that takes decades to reverse. So there's that. But you look, you look across the landscape over there at, you know, what's on the left. And you see people like Scott Galloway. Cara Swisher's podcast co-host and I think a self-styled intellectual in his own right. And he, again, as I said at the top, used to be kind of normal. He's lost his mind. I like, it's sad. Some people like can't exist in the digital space without really losing their tether on what the normal standards of behavior are like what the normal bounds of ideas and political combat look like. And that's him. So first, he is on his pivot podcast with Cara Swisher. And he says the following about Elon, this was on November 3rd, so 28. The West Coast is littered with multi-trillion dollar companies. And you get to the Canadian board of stops, you get to the maximum board of stops. And yet, these individuals are quick to credit their grid and their character for their success and blame the government for their failures. The fail is that we have begun believing through this ridiculous, unhealthy and dangerous idolatry of innovators that they get to live by an entirely different standard. Elon Musk is a traitor to the West. It's uncomfortable and weird because we've decided someone who's a trillionaire makes a great EV and can land a rock and on scissors is held to a different standard. We lined up the Rosenbergs against a wall. This is a traitor to the West. And you should be held to the same standards as every other traitor in the West. Wow. He didn't say let's kill him. But once again, it's a, I want the food product that has red sauce and cheese on top and dough underneath. We know what that is. We know exactly what you're saying. We know what happened to the Rosenbergs. He says it there himself. And then he says Elon Musk is just like them, a traitor who should face the same penalties. And just in case you think it was a one off, like all he, you know, was shooting off his mouth, it got ahead of himself. Here he is again on the same day on a different podcast. So 29. We took the Rosenbergs and put them up against a wall and executed them for being traders. And I realize this is an incendiary statement, but I'll make it and I believe it. I think Elon Musk is a traitor to the West. And I think what is even more dangerous is this zeitgeist within America that the idolatry of innovators and money has created a cloud cover such that traders to the West are not seen as traders to the West. Did if this had happened in any other age where we were not obsessed with innovators and money, a much different reaction would be playing out the Elon Musk. This is crazy, Matt. It's completely shocking. I think you're right about the people in sort of the internet era and the podcast era. Almost daily, we have yet another person who sort of falls off, you know, the plank of sanity into the ocean. They're just gone first and forever. They're never coming back. We do. And, you know, I think back to the early days of Trump's first presidency when he went to Helsinki and we had these banner headlines everywhere saying "treason" because he, I guess, didn't have a hostile enough meeting with Vladimir Putin at a conference. Now, treason has a very specific legal meaning. It only applies in very narrow circumstances. It's a capital crime. Accusing somebody being a traitor is clearly liable. It's the kind of thing that I would never, I would be terrified to do in public. There really does not apply here. There's no possible way you could make it fit to call this treason. It doesn't even, [BLANK_AUDIO] excluded legally, like it only happens during the middle of the declared war, but even so, even to colloquially claim that is absolute lunacy. Incidentally, I have my own differences with Elon, but Elon has among other things been threatened by other countries. They've tried to drag him in for questioning, for failing to abide by foreign censorship rules, and he's not specifying yellow, he's not specifying any crime that he's committed. He's been railing about the Starlink. The public Starlink being shut down for Ukraine to use to drop bombs, but the military version of Starlink remained available to them, like he's got an obligation, some legal obligation to leave Starlink available. This is what he's been railing about, but the truth is Matt, he doesn't like Elon. He and Keraswisher can't stand Elon, they've been ripping on him weekly, since long before the Ukraine thing. >> Well, right, that's all you have to do now with these audiences, you just have to stand up and say, this person sucks, I hate this person, they should be shot, and in many cases it works. >> Yeah, then they are. >> We've been getting some cases they are, right, and that's what's terrifying about this environment that we're in, we have, again, once upon a time, I hate to be all back in the day about it, but public figures used to be very hesitant to use to accuse people of serious crimes, to accuse them of sex crimes, to accuse them of all kinds of things, without hardcore evidence, like confirmed 50 ways over, and they don't even bother trying very hard anymore. They just simply lob out these things because they know it's going to get a lot of clicks. >> And because their derangement syndrome is so all-consuming, there is a Trump derangement syndrome, and there is an Elon derangement syndrome, and both of those two have it in droves. You raise a good point, you and he had this whole falling out over the Twitter files, you don't have Elon derangement syndrome, you can report on him fairly, you can hit him if he needs to be hit, you can defend if he needs, that's how I am with Trump, like I don't have any derangement syndrome, I can recognize the good things and I can recognize the bad things, why is that so rare? >> Well, it's so strange about it, I think Megan, you and I just don't get emotionally involved with the news in the way that these people do, like this is almost like a religious thing for people who are, if they pour their whole selves into these debates between left or right, Republicans and Democrats, and it means absolutely everything to them, it has a significance that no sane person would afford these issues. Like if you have an actual life, if you have a, you know, a wife and children or a family, you're not going to stay awake at night thinking about Elon Musk, I mean, I'm sorry. >> No. >> Right? Would you? I mean, it's absolutely insanity, no matter how much you might dislike the person, he should be well below a hundred on your list of, you know, concerns on any given day, but not for these people, for, for, you know, this is the most important thing in the world. >> Well, and here's, here's all the evidence we really need to see that Scott Galloway has truly lost his mind. Here he is describing what happened when he sold his Tesla because of Elon. >> I had a Tesla, great car, you started shit post me on Twitter, so I sold it not before taking a giant dump in the passenger seat, true story, not good for resale value. >> What a disgusting pig, I mean, who would be that arranged? >> What is he six? >> I mean, really, like, that's Whitty, it's stupid is what it is. I mean, all in favor of stupid humor, you can go as low as you want, as long as it's actually funny, but that's not funny, it's not even close to funny. Could you imagine trying to pass that off as a, as a Whitty line to somebody like Mark Twain or Oscar Wilde? That's just stupid and it shows that you're, you know, a little bit out of your mind at this point. >> Yes. >> Think of a grown man, the car, are you crazy? >> Seriously, so like, that's what I can't get passed, like, you're right, there's a lack of intellectualism there and he's treated like an intellectual, so please pardon us for not agreeing, but the crude, disgusting nature of what he says is a true story that he did. I mean, think about it, he like, he waited till he had to go, he got into his own car, he dropped trow, and then he dropped something else in his own car, just to feel better about a man who is a stranger to him, who is currently working on curing blindness and paralysis, has actually made progress with his neural link in putting a chip in the brain of paralyzed people and helping them communicate with their brain onto the computer screen to reflect their thoughts. It's miraculous. I mean, this guy is changing the world in so many profound and great ways, but he would like him shot. We knew the left wanted him locked up, he wants him shot, and then at some point he decided to sell this Tesla, so he had to go in and clean up his own shit. So the only one he really hurt was himself, and now wants credit for it. I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to imagine what was going on in his mind as he was cleaning up, you know, was he patting himself on the back, and he was like, yeah, exactly, like, yeah, this is great. I'm on a real role now, like, what, it's the same way, like Trump, like destroys his most ardent enemies who truly have the TDS without having to lift a finger. You know, they catch the disease, it eats their own brains, and they self-destruct. That's what's happening to Scott Galloway in front of our very eyes. And by the way, I actually have a really interesting legal question about whether said purchaser can now demand a refund and return the Tesla. I actually am going to save this for a Kelly Square because I have a good feeling that they can get out of this deal. That would be an interesting one. I wonder if there's there are additional penalties that could be tacked on as well. If he sold it as is, then no deal. You can't return it. But like, if certain warranties were made, like, I didn't shit in it. Which every car from Scott Galloway is going to need now, then he could get sued. Unbelievable. It's, it's totally crazy and people are just, they are down with it. But this is a rallying cry for folks. Oh, yeah, they left, they clapped. Of course, it's not just Scott Galloway. That was Elon Durangeman Syndrome there, which is plentiful on the left. But we spoke on this program yesterday with the audience about the Dave Chappelle comments on Charlie Kirk, which was so despicable after Charlie defended him after Dave Chappelle was attacked on stage. And Charlie actually got, was on Dave's side and really thought that there should be penalties to what happened. And Dave Chappelle gets on stage at Madison Square Garden and says, "Sat 31." I feel fucked up, say this is scary being a public speaker and I, I mean, look, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk, that murder, and I shouldn't say this publicly, but I feel better. I know I shouldn't say it, but it's just a feeling. I didn't ask you to do this, but I should be driving around like, if violence is such a good thing. So laugh, riot, Matt. Yeah. I mean, I'm such a shapel fan that I feel like giving him a mulligan. I'm not sure what he was going for there. You know, I read the full context of that whole diatribe. I guess he was trying to-- It doesn't make it better. It doesn't make it better. No. I read it, too. So he's cloaking it in basically saying that after Charlie Kirk got murdered, it's been better for him. for free speech. Somehow it doesn't make any sense, which is disappointing because the Chapelle has been one of the few public figures who's been willing to stand up and say the unpopular thing during this time period and be funny about it while doing. And then he got up. But then and then a second later, he got up there and said, I know I'm sure Charlie's looking up at us right now, laughing so hard. He can't breathe as if Charlie's in hell. This wasn't like some light touch on Charlie about free speech. It was about Charlie's dead. He's happy. I'm Charlie's burning in hell, which is just so fucked up. This is like it's so insensitive. It's it's just like Galloway to me and deeply offensive. The pet food industry will not tell you that the real story is in the ingredient panel, not the front of the bag. Sundays for dogs made a deliberate choice. Real human grade meat, no fillers, no synthetic vitamin pre mixes, and nothing unpronounceable. Sundays for dogs is real food, suitable for human consumption. The recipes contain 80% all natural meat, roughly twice the meat content of leading frozen brands, combined with nutrient-rich ingredients like kale, ginger, and blueberries. Instead of exposure to high heat, the ingredients are gently air-dried. Founded and formulated by Dr. Tory Waxman to meet the high standards of both a veterinarian and a dog parent, the process is effortless. 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But personally, I don't want to deal with the energy of that. Like I don't wish stuff like that on my worst enemy. Good for him. I appreciate him saying that. There was no one more deplorable though than the angry podcast lady Jennifer Welsh. But you could say that about virtually any topic on virtually every day. She's always got the most vile, crass, disgusting take one can have. She's in trouble at the moment and losing advertisers by the second for what she said about Charlie Kirk. That's not, like, that's not even the most controversial thing she has said. She thought it was hilarious that Charlie died. She joked about it. I guess we'll start with that one. Here it is from her podcast November 5th with her idiot co-host Angie Sullivan sub 35. Dead morose says we're digging up Charlie Kirk doing it again. I'm zooming in the fox. No comment. No comment. No comment on that. Other than he was shot by somebody that was super mega family. He was shot by a mega person. Right. So do that with what you will. White person, white mega family. Well, as I point out, that's not even close to the most controversial thing that she has said. They have said, here's just a little in sought 38. So when you think about the Erica Kirk's, the life church, the Joe Olstein of it all, and their desire to accumulate wealth while hoodwinking their flock into thinking they're super moral. This is a cancer. White, evangelical, Christianity is a cancer. These are the worst of our country. These are the worst people in our country because they use their religion in two ways as a weapon and as a shield. They weaponize it whenever they want to and say we're on the moral high ground. You're a lesbian. You deserve to die. You're a lesbian. The cops shouldn't have revived you. Oh, your parents are Mexicans and they brought you over here. Yeah, you should go to gel and eat worm food. And then when you call them out on it, oh my god, they're after the Christians. How dare they? How dare they? We're so oppressed. White Christians are so oppressed in this country. And they want it both ways. So, evangelical Christianity is a cancer and white Christians celebrate when lesbians die. That's not what happened. I don't know if that's a reference to what happened in Minnesota, but there was not a celebration that Renee Good died. There was some defense of the officer who pulled the trigger. But this is the kind of mind virus that this person operates under. Here's one more, just a montage of some of her comments. Shockingly, the conservatives that I thought were just crusty old white people have morphed into this young group of misogynists. And I can tell you when I'm around white people, they test the racist water. They test it on people like you all. Stephen Miller is a Nazi and he is a sociopath. He is a little insecure white supremacist. This guy was bullied in high school and he's unattractive and he's four foot 10 and nobody fucking likes him. You get to JD Vance, who is a failed drag queen? Because little Moses Mike Grindr Johnson worships two things. Donald Trump and his closeted life for this dementia-ridden, diaper-wearing sack of shit. He started off his 16 minutes interview by saying, I am not a Nazi. He clearly, clearly is a Nazi. Well, the triple Trump should be banned boycotted from enjoying the best thing that America has to offer, which is multi-culturalism. Get your fat asses out of the Mexican restaurant. Get your fat asses over to Cracker Barrel because nobody wants to see your fucking smug ass, teeny-weeny pink arm, big gut around. Nobody wants to see that shit, no one. The real surprise that she has been cancelled before this, she's lost all of her advertisers. I think all but last I checked, Quince and one other had pulled totaling well over an eight million dollar loss and here she is addressing it at Crooked Media's Crooked Con on November 9, the yesterday saw 37. At first I was just kind of like, you know, F-them. It was a joke. Move on down the road. Of course I condemn gun violence. I just oppose gun violence in all of its forms. So this morning I decided, because I'm getting about 400 death threats a minute on my Instagram and the death threats from these people that are offended by my laughing at the joke are, I can't believe you laughed at Charlie Kirk. We can't wait for you to die see you in tea. So the selective outrage is on them, but I'm responsible for me. In me apologizing, I don't think I'm going soft. I, you know, I still think TPSU, TPUSA, Charlie Kirk and their movement, I stand against everything. I want an inclusive world, a non-violent world. I want common sense gun reform, but it's better because I have ascended and I have so many listeners. I want to keep my side of the street clean. Okay, I, I follow the podcast charts. I know exactly where the top podcasts stand. She's never been there. She's, she's nowhere in the running. I don't think she is ascendant any place other than in her own mind. And now she's lost virtually every single advertiser she has. Which is appropriate. She should be on her own. She should be on a direct to consumer basis. If people want to pay $10, $15 a month to consume that garbage, they can. That'll be their relationship with the devil. That's on them. But what kind of a sane advertiser would get behind filth like that? Yeah, I don't know. When she said, she mentioned the best that America has to offer. I thought she was going to say plastic starts for me because she used to have had so much of it. I mean, I'm sorry. I shouldn't go there, but it just, I don't know. I mean, she's, it looks like someone. All she does is talk about people's looks. A winch handle in the back. It's, it's unbelievable. But the, yeah, this is a classic example of a person who, I mean, all they're about is just winding people up and then, you know, and then to, to plea for sympathy. Her whole show, her whole act is ridiculous. It was always shocking to me that it, um it had even a temporary response but um but who knows now maybe they'll make a free speech martyr out of her now and she'll she'll find her way back. I doubt it but you know the other thing is it feels like none of these people have ever watched Charlie Kirk's actual show. I mean of all the people to be upset about um on the right. Kirk would have been the last person I would complain about it if I were you know a hardcore leftist or liberal. He is exactly the wrong kind of person to caricature as um as you know a hater. He was a discusser. He might not have agreed with him but he was civil which is a big step up in this world and it's it's remarkable that nobody seemed to bother to take the time to find that out. That's another enduring mystery of this whole thing. They believe the lies of the New York Times and Nicole Hannah Jones. I guarantee you they read it and they believe that he was a racist who hated blacks black women and took all those contexts are all those quotes that Nicole Hannah Jones put up there out of context without bothering to understand for example his remark about how he's going to feel when he sees a black pilot now thanks to these mandates by some of the airlines that they have at least 50% black pilots when we don't have even 50% black pilots in the potential pool of black pilots. We have 13% black people. We have 6% black men in America and a very very small percentage of those are going to pilot school. So how are you going to make 50% of the pilots be black unless we lower standards? That was Charlie's whole point saying DEI is corrosive and because they're doing this kind of thing just playing with quotas it's now going to make me and others get on planes and if they see a black pilot instead of under the old system when you knew it was merit-based and you'd say he must have been a bad ass who went to the Navy or the whatever. He earned his way here just like anybody else has. You're going to guess did they lower the standards for him oh shit. It's a very honest point it's actually not controversial at all but it's been used to bastardize Charlie and his legacy for the better part of a year and honestly it was used to bash him while he was alive by people with an agenda. Yeah and if I remember correctly there was some misquoting that went on with him all the time. Well putting out of context you can disagree with that commentary if you want you could say you could have put it in a different way that would have made it more a more accessible thought for people on the left but that's you know he didn't you didn't say it in the way that it was reported that he said it more than that though if you have any exposure to Charlie Kirk if you watched any of his broadcast I mean I was curious about him I had read lots of negative things about him and was very surprised when I watched him to find that he seemed to be trying to find some kind of middle ground with people when he talked to them which is it's almost so rare now that it comes across as like a gimmick or a camacross as a gimmick but it wasn't with him I think he was he was a genuine person which again is another thing that should have been celebrated at the time. That's why this whole thing about rejoicing in Charlie Kirk's death is just mysterious like I have a hard time believing that Dave Chappelle actually watched Kirk's act I just don't think he did he read maybe and he's a low information voter who who should shut his mouth about a man who was a decent father to two babies who will grow up without their father now thanks to that gun violence which Jennifer Welch wants to call the assassination the political assassination of Charlie Kirk that he should shut his mouth about it I don't want to hear another fucking word at a Dave Chappelle on Charlie Kirk unless it's on this show and he has the balls to say it to somebody who was actually friends with him do you have the balls Dave Chappelle let's see why don't you come on you have an open invitation you tell me the day I will clear the schedule you can come on here and say it directly to me he won't do that he'd rather say it to his people at Madison Square Garden who don't have the ability to fight back or the information well I am not a low information voter and I will be prepared with facts Dave Chappelle so come on anytime I feel very differently about him than you did than you do Matt I didn't realize he was this disgusting I really didn't thought he was like kind of non woke and wasn't afraid to like poke the bear on things that were like you know untouchable like Michael Jackson or he dealt with the trans issue in a way that was brave I didn't think he was just cruel and a dick and that's what I saw in that clip yeah and it also felt a more than a little bit like you know if I do this I'm going to get some of this audience back you know which also wasn't really like him like if you go back in his past he did a lot of it didn't set a lot of things that you know he had to know we're going to lose him audience and did him anyway and so it's it's always shocking when somebody who has a history of not pandering to this or that political side starts doing it so yeah does it I don't know I'm not sure how to explain that one but yeah yeah speaking of pilots in the sky just want to spend one minute on this because we've been talking a lot about the lear jet that went down and just it's so disturbing and a lot of people's first instinct including my own to be honest when I heard it was a 20 year old female co-pilot was is this the DEI situation you know like was there incompetence in the air and it very much looks like it had nothing to do with that that she was a very competent co-pilot she had 1300 hours under her belt she wasn't the pilot in charge she was the co-pilot and that audio tape of when that plane went down showed her being I mean under the circumstances actually incredibly calm cool and collected you know there were a couple of moments where she screamed which is human given what was happening to her but to the last second this young woman relayed the circumstances of what the plane was going through so that air traffic control and of course the NTSB would know long after her the pilot in charge had switched to praying she was still relaying information and trying to to give data that she had to know at that point would only be examined posthumously in her case so tip of the hat to her I wanted to mention this because it was a sort of an extraordinary thing there is a meteorologist at NBC Orlando and he's also a pilot his name is Eric Burris and he has a theory he was basing in on another man's theory another pilot I think who posited that there is a possibility because we had Captain Steve come on of YouTube and tell us ultimately he thinks that it was those thunderstorms of course that brought down this plane and ice on the wings and so on but that it is ultimately the pilots responsibility to see the weather like air traffic control should tell you and should help you but when all is said and done it's the pilots responsibility to know what the weather situation is and behave accordingly and virtually every pilot has said since like you just don't fly in a severe thunderstorm you definitely don't fly in severe turbulence and the lear jet in particular has some issues that would make you avoid that like the plague and now we've played audio of another plane approaching the thunderstorms and being told to basically go into them by air traffic control and him saying I'm not no I refuse and turning his jet around you know I don't know if these pilots just didn't have the experience the coat the pilot in charge was 55 years old but we don't know how long he'd been flying he certainly was licensed at in 2016 I just don't know how long prior to that and an event here is the theory of the Orlando meteorologist and pilot Eric Burris when it comes to how they may have not seen those storms one of the questions that has come up a lot is if this was a jet that had Doppler radar or weather radar how did they not see this thing and there's a very interesting kind of component to that all right so you're flying along and you're coming up on a thunderstorm if you're flying it straight ahead especially if you're in a spot like they were they were more of an ice phase environment where it's not big precipitable moisture or so so they probably got weak radar returns if anything but that onboard radar can tilt and if they had tilted down they would have seen that stronger storm building up near the radar super light returns but look if it would have been tilted down by about five degrees using the resampling of the Doppler radar they would have seen that storm build up out ahead of them just before they penetrated the storm the height was at 31,000 feet as they penetrated it it got to 40,000 feet above them and then right after they went through it went back down to about 33,000 feet. thousand feet. So it was rapidly growing and then rapidly collapsing. In other words, there was winds going rapidly up and down, and they went right through it at perhaps the worst possible time. More than likely, this aircraft was in instrument meteorological conditions. In other words, they couldn't see out ahead. So just kind of super basic, theoretically, they were operating at about 35,000 feet, flight level 350. Their onboard radar showed this not much ahead of them. They couldn't see out front. And unfortunately, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's chilling, Matt. And it does make you think like, I don't know, when your numbers up, it's up. Yeah, I always feel thankful to any pilot who gets me from any place to any place. Always amazed by people who find ways to criticize the fact that they're able to get from New York to San Francisco in four and a half hours or whatever it is. They can find a way to be unhappy about anything. Pilots are amazing. People who drive trains are amazing. I mean, so, yeah, I think we should. Your mailman is amazing. I think we should just appreciate everybody who has a tough job, just a little bit more. How does the US mail system get, you know, this communication from one place to another for such a cheap cost? It still is kind of a mystery to me. It's a modern miracle. But I will tell you of all the things that are out there that I just can't quite understand. I genuinely don't get it is the telephone. I don't understand. I don't understand how you can pick up your phone and you can talk into it. And your voice can be heard instantaneously in another country, a world away, like a second later. I don't understand it. It's incredible. And I'll tell you one other thing. My Nana, who lived, she was born in 1915. She died in 2016 and she was 101. I did ask her one time. It was the most of amazing invention she had seen in that 101 years. And I mean, we've taught, we had the airplane. We had the computer. We had so many things. And she said it was the garage door opener. That's amazing. But you'll still see though, people being upset at their phones. If they momentarily lose their connection, they'll, they'll, they'll, in an airport, they'll be yelling at their cell phone, like, I'm gotten you know, stupid thing. Like you're speaking to somebody halfway around the world for almost nothing. And you're upset about it. You got out of bed upset, you know what I mean? That's, that's true. You're an unhappy person. That's really, that's the bottom line. Yes, I agree. Okay. Back on this topic of journalists and how they perform their jobs, Diana Rossini. Now, Diana Rossini is probably not a name that is on the tip of the tongue for most of our audience. But she is a sports reporter. And the audience may remember she was in the news last April because she'd been working for the New York Times offshoot, the athletic, their sports offshoot. Her prior life had been with ESPN as a sports reporter. And she was all over the news because it came out that she was obviously having an affair with the head coach of the Tennessee Titans, Mike Vraybill and he was 43. He was 50. Thank you. Okay. And he moved on to the Patriots. Yes. He was, you moved to them to 2025. Football is not my world, but journalism is. And the New York Post found pictures of the two of them at this posh resort in Sedona, we're showing the pictures now. A boutique resort set against the breathtaking brins Mesa mountain range. A page six by telling them that the pair had breakfast on the patio of the hotel restaurant around 10 30 Saturday, March 28 before spending a leisurely hour or so together at the pool and lounging side by side by side in a hot tub. Our spy spotted them again that evening on the private rooftop of one of the hotel's bungalows roofs are only accessible from the two person bungalows, which cost up to $2,100 a night. Photos show the two hugging at sunset and weaving their fingers together as they stand face to face. The spy said they saw the pair briefly dance together. They insisted publicly that they were just there as friends. Matt, you see, they're both married to other people with kids. They were there as just friends and colleagues. She, of course, is a reporter and he is a coach. And I can't tell the audience how many times you and I have been at a gig covering the same massive news event, interlacing our fingers, briefly dancing together, hugging at sunset, not tuffing together. This was what we know in the business as bullshit. I was utter bullshit. They were clearly caught, but it was a much bigger deal than just an affair, which let's face it happens in life. The problem was she's a reporter and he is a subject slash source. And the reason I'm bringing this up now is that the athletic to its credit began an investigation, even though they were both denying it. She was being indignant. The coach first said to page six, these photos show a completely innocent interaction. And any suggestion otherwise is laughable. This doesn't deserve any further response. Then Racini said the photos don't represent the group of six people who are hanging out during the day. Like most journalists in the NFL reporters interact with sources away from stadiums and other venues. Again, this is all spin bullshit. Reporters do not behave like this with their sources. I have never behaved like this with a source. Everyone in the business knows this would be completely inappropriate to do. So the athletic at first back turn said the photos are misleading. They lack context. And then it quickly shifted to we're doing an investigation. We've got to investigate this and her coverage will be reviewed. And ultimately a lot of second because this was this just came out. They let's see, they did that investigation. And the athletic released a report from its internal investigation that found the relationship gave the appearance of a conflict of interest and was in clear violation of the public's the publications standards. Prior to that, she pieced out of the publication saying, I don't want an investigation. She in a huff back in April, she said, accept this letter as my resignation. It's with deep sadness, but with clarity about what's right for me. The recent attacks against me have already been addressed between us. I have nothing to add publicly to what we've said. I have covered the NFL with professionalism. She says, I'm over this self-feeding speculation that is simply unmoored from facts. I have no interest in submitting to a public inquiry that has already caused far more damage than I'm willing to accept. I've decided to step aside now before my contract expires. I do so not because I accept the narrative that's been constructed around this episode, but because I refuse to lend it further oxygen or let it define me in my career. Mike Raeble switched his tune to, I've had some difficult conversations with people I care about, with my family, the coaches, the players. Those have been positive in production. I never want to be the cause of a distraction. There are comments and questions I've answered for the team and with the team we'll keep those private. And then, of course, he's not counseling. Oh, because everybody goes to counseling. Okay. So we sought counseling in order to move forward. Well, then it started to come out that there were pictures of these two. This, of course, was April of 2026 that this broke. But then it started to come out. All these clips of her ripping on her husband in the nastiest ways that she thought her husband was boring. She thought he was average. She's married to someone average. If he was beautiful, he'd be all over social media. She said she did things in Miami. I haven't even told my husband. She spoke about Mike Raeble being head coach of the Patriots on a podcast with Bill Simmons talked about shoving variable down your throat. She made sure everyone knew she had to close her eyes when she had sex with her average husband. Like multiple comments. And ultimately, she had to face this tweet from August of 2021. Okay, which is not that long after 2020 when it emerged that there was a picture of the two of them in a bar getting very intimate with one another. Okay. So this is March of 2020. Page six obtained. This is in the last spring, but somebody gave them to them after the fact pictures of the two of them in the dimly lit Tribeca tavern in the early hours of March 11th, 2020. They sat close to each other, welcome, grossing at the bar. They shared a kiss. They were kissing. They were all over each other. They reported She was. He was, he was already married and she was engaged. She was going to get married six months later. Her legs were in between his. It was a hole in the wall bar. They were having a glorious time. They were giving each other pecs, a bunch of pecs constantly. There was no one in there, no one knew who they were. I don't even think the bartenders were, were aware, said the source. And this is when he was at a, as the head coach of the Tennessee Titans, and she was an NFL reporter covering them. And so this is six months before she gets married, then she gets married. And in August of 2021, she tweeted out, I keep looking at my almost four day old son, Michael, Michael while trying to figure out who are the best Michaels to ever play and coach in the NFL. While August 2021 is a good amount after March of 2020, when she was allegedly in that bar canoeing with Mike, yeah, with Mike Vrable, six months before she got married. And this, these are, I'm just listing some of the reasons why this became such a big scandal. It was a very big scandal. They denied it. If they had just said we did something, it's private, don't discuss it publicly. We're dealing with it with our spouses. We're gonna left them alone. And then, and then if she had said to the athletic, I admit it, I'm sorry, and I'm stepping down. That people would have accepted that. She didn't. She got indignant. She played the How Dare You card, and this is not factual. And we all know it is factual, it's obvious. And now she re-emerges, Matt, in this puff piece in People magazine, Diana Rossini reveals new NFL projects seven months after Mike Vrable photo scandal. I'm not scared to get back in. And this is some of the problem that we read in People. The best way to describe the last six months for me is heartbreaking. At the beginning, it was a nightmare, but People writes, "With the support of her husband, Kevin Goldschmidt, who is, I guess with Shake Shack, and loved ones, Rossini navigated a turbulent stretch of her career, and is now preparing to return to sports media. Enter the Rossini report, a one-hour show that will stream on Bet Us TV's website and an ex-account beginning Wednesday, November 11th, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is what the show is gonna be about. It's going to feature somebody, or she will also be a featured contributor on some podcast with a guy named John Wiener, better known as Dougots. In a time when it was easy to pile on, and I think people were enjoying watching my career fall apart, John was really bold and loyal, and he was a friend to me. He said something that stuck with her, "I need my friend to laugh again, and I want to help her laugh again. I think this show is going to give me that opportunity." She says she's also found support from dozens of people in the NFL, team owners, agents, general managers, head coaches, and players, including, she wants us to know, star quarterbacks. The absolute best part of this situation has been the loyalty that the NFL has shown me. They checked in with me almost daily while I wasn't working to make sure that I was staying connected to football, to check on me as a person and to just see how I was doing. It became what Rossini describes as a motivational tour. I felt like players were texting and calling me to say, "Get back to work. It's time." I think it's pretty poetic that here I was all these years telling this story about these players going through adversity, and then they became sort of the people that I was learning from doing this. They didn't just call the week after things came out. They called all the time just to say, "Let's go." According to Rossini, one player even texts her on his way to work at 5 a.m. to ask what she's doing to better herself and reminds her that you have to stay strong through hard times. I'm using that, she says, as motivation, and it's why I'm so energized. It's why I'm not scared to get back in because I know the people that I cover are welcoming me back with open arms, and then she goes on to add the lies. They became so out of control. This was a runaway train. There was nothing I could do to stop it. Once we realized nothing was going to stop it, it became unhealthy for us to read it, so they unsubscribed from X. One of the hard parts about this was that a lot of the work I was doing and the things that I've accomplished got lost. It quickly went from just one moment that people felt was true and erased years of work. I would not wish this experience on any person ever. Through it all, I did get an opportunity to not just learn about myself, but my family and our priorities and maybe some decisions and things I was doing in my career and putting it before what I really wanted most, which was to be a mom. Okay, and then she finally adds, the way I'm going to approach stories is going to be very different now. Oh, you mean you're not going to be sleeping with your sources anymore? No, that's not it. She says, I have an understanding and an empathy that I didn't have before. I would do stories in the past about to the best of my ability and sometimes now I reflect on those. And I don't know if I always thought about how much this would affect not just the player, but a team and organization, the player's families. Now that I've been at the center of this attention and understanding, this wasn't just something that shook me. It affected my 94-year-old grandmother, my cousins, family members. I haven't even spoken to in years. It just had a really lasting effect and I don't necessarily know if I ever really thought about that as much as I should. But being out of the spotlight helped Rossini discover the best version of herself. I really hope I can be someone other women see. You can pick yourself up, get back out there and not be afraid. Because if you just do the work, Matt, and I hope to continue working at a high level, it's all that's going to matter. And I hope that quiets the noise, fuck off People Magazine and Diana on this absurd, ridiculous poisonous spin that takes zero responsibility for what she actually did. >> I was going to say that's almost like that's got to be a Guinness record for not being introspective at length, that's more words not looking at your own conduct in the middle of a scandal than I can remember anybody putting forward. It's really amazing. I mean, look, it's a complete no-no for men or women. You don't sleep with your sources, like that you can't pay your, you can't give favors to your sources, financial or otherwise, right? It's usually a career ender. And for her to even be contemplating coming back this early is remarkable. >> She talks about it like it's been in ten years in Siberia and six months she was on. And like she's the victim and the whole thing. The husband, first of all, why he didn't boot out the door the instant this happened is remarkable. I remember being told this young person that, you know, somebody do a cheats on you, somebody who talks about you behind your back, those are both, you know, just end it immediately, right? Like that's if you have any self-respect to run her husband down and as she's doing that, that's incredible. You know, look, that's her private business. But the journalism aspect of it, for people magazine to be celebrating a comeback as if she were the victim of something is, it's pretty amazing. >> Where is the question? Where's the question? Did you do this? Did you sleep with the source? Are you sorry? I mean, we're not really asking a lot of people. I know people go there for a puff job. But like, is that, is basic journalism just two questions too much to ask? >> No, because it's all about being seen, right? I would, you know, and self-affirmation and self-actualization, like that's a storyline that you can have about almost any celebrity and people will buy it. It doesn't have to make a lot of sense. And it's disappointing, you know? It speaks to the low level of, you know, attention that's paid in our business to pretty serious ethical issues. People make mistakes, nobody cares, people, you know, will fail to call somebody for comment or, you know, will smear somebody, get something terribly wrong, not feel sorry about it, ruin somebody's life, not feel sorry, sleep with the source up in their, you know, all kinds of lives, they don't care. It's all about them, you know, as long as they can't, they come out all right in the end, I guess that doesn't matter. >> Well, that's what, like, that's what's so galling because there was a way for this woman to come back in a, like, a credible way. And that way was probably more than six months. months off. But in any event, to come back and say, I fucked up, definitely caused a lot of pain in my marriage. And I'm very sorry for that. And that's a private matter. And everybody would say, we get that. As for my journalistic failure, which I also committed, I've paid the price. I was fired. I was basically forced out. She wasn't fired, but I was forced out of my job at the athletic, a job I loved. And I deserved it. And now I hope to rebuild the trust of my audience, you know, having come clean and having paid the price for a really fucking stupid thing I did. Like, I do think people are very forgiving and they understand human frailty and failure. But this, this is the opposite of the way. Right. We've had lots of media scandals in the past for people do things that are questionable. The, you know, we've had people who've lifted passages from other people's work, sometimes inadvertently, sometimes they did it on purpose and, you know, got busted and had to spend some time out in the wilderness. And then they come back, Jason, talk about their mistakes. You have to be open about it. And everybody wins in that situation because it's a learning experience for people. But it's not when nobody has to learn anything, when you can just pick up where you left off as if nothing happened. It's just such a strange universe that we live in. It's, it's just like Austin Powers talking about how, you know, as long as we still live in a consequence free environment, I'm happy. You know, like that's what we're in the consequence of free environment. It also is giving vibes of Vanessa. That's not mine. No. We're pretty sure it's yours, Diana. 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Matt, those grifters Megan and Harry are over in, where are they? They're in Europe and she canceled her speech, but he went ahead and did it at the European Parliament. And the reason she canceled is because her father was just arrested for reams of child pornography allegedly in his belongings in the Philippines in Mexico and in the good old United States of America, which according to our FBI includes pictures of him with underage children. It wasn't just consuming child pornography, not that that's any better, but it appears he was in the pictures and obviously molesting children, although he denies it and says this is all a smear job. So he's been arrested now, he's 82 years old. And for once she did the right thing and stopped herself from needing to be on camera and in front of the microphones, at least she did make sure she was on camera, because they were set to deliver a speech about child safety. And while her father sins are not her sins, she came out when this broke two and a half weeks ago that her father had allegedly stashes of this stuff, according to her half brother, who was the one who outed him after having found the first stash in the Philippines, she ran to the presses to say, I've known all along. I knew for eight years. I was told eight years ago, the only reason I didn't say anything is because I was allegedly told by a metropolitan police officer in London to stay mum while they investigated. Well, it's been eight years. We haven't been able to find said metropolitan police officer who told her this. And even if one had eight years ago, it's long past the time when an investigation would have wrapped up and she knows that. So she said bye. She was obviously more interested in protecting her brand than in protecting children. And so was Harry, because he said nothing either. And yet he took to the European Parliament and had the nerve to start speaking about the dangers of social media for children. Here's just a sample in top 43. I think the biggest point that I could probably pass on from all the parents that we've met is, is really firstly to the companies. Don't put anything in front of our children that you wouldn't put in front of your own children. And I use that because the majority of these companies, they don't let their children on social media because they know the dangers. So why would you create something that you know is going to harm someone else's child? I mean, he went on, he went on to say, children deserve to feel safe, no matter where they are. Look at this, watch. All children should be able to go online and discover something wonderful. A friend, an interest that becomes a passion, a place where they feel understood. They deserve to feel safe wherever they are, in a classroom, on a playground, at any time, no matter where they are. This was colossally stupid and tone deaf. And again, she did make sure she was caught on camera, giving just the right angles of her face, looking like the concerned person. But, you know, she, she dain't not to do the speech just given the circumstances met. These two grifters cannot be stopped. They are tone deaf. They care only about their branding and their image. And it is outrageous that they were extended this invitation. And it was allowed to stand, notwithstanding what has just come out about them, your thoughts. So one of the most shocking things that we found in the Twitter files was an early draft of a report from the Aspen Institute that had put together a committee on what it called information disorder. It took people from all over the world, celebrities, people in the speech activists, anti-disinformation activists. But the central figure in that committee was Prince Harry. And he was essentially going to be the frontman for a report that was going to say that social media was something that was too important and too dangerous to be left in the hands of the general public that it needed some kind of of a watchdog figure in the government. And the story is amazing because it shows why you can't do that because if you have a watchdog, who's the watchdog, there's always going to be a problem with somebody who's in charge of overseeing your content. The only remedy is to let everybody have their say. And it's very scary. And to see him posing as this kind of holier than thou, protector of speech is deeply offensive and especially as an American that the fact that he came over here, a British royal with affecting the tell us how to do our business online, that's really obnoxious. - Right, he was criticizing the First Amendment. Yeah, these two want to style themselves as like, the protectors of children and a free speech meanwhile, they sue every media company. They did not protect children. They, unlike the rest of us, knew according to them about Thomas Markle long before we did and did nothing, nothing by their own admission. I reject fully their continuing attempt to style themselves as protectors of child safety. It's a no. Matt Taipei, great to see you. Thanks for coming on. We are back tomorrow and we will see you all then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show, no BS, no agenda and no fear.