Shiur #6 - Starbucks & יין נסך

Shalmura khadis khazar is here. Number six, we're busy at the Dishmai, we will discuss the major question of can you buy coffee at Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts? We'll finish Semin Tadihei, and then we'll begin the sugya of Stamyanam and Ya'inaseh and Semin Kuf Khavgimma. So let's jump right into it with a brief review of what we did last week. We discussed the whole sugya of dishwashers, and when we came out with, there's a few cheetahs alach lemais. So one cheetah that's said, you're not allowed to use the same dishwasher for meat, and then for dairy, because the whole dishwasher has the dinner of a clearest shown, and they're for using it for fleshik, and then later on, you're using it for dairy, you're basically putting dairy dishes into a fleshik, and the whole thing becomes us. We saw the second cheetah, where Misha said, that you can use it for clea, you can use it for fleshik, and then for Milhik, because it doesn't have the dinner of a clearest shown, maybe just the eerie clearest shown, but you need to switch the racks, because it could be food is going to get stuck in the racks, so you need to have a rack for fleshik and a rack for Milhik. We saw another cheetah that says, no, you can use the same dishwasher for fleshik and for Milhik, and the reason is back-to-back, meaning back-to-back, and you don't need to switch the racks, and you don't need a, and the food that's in the filter becomes a puzzle, it's nifcom, and it's no good, and there's no, we're not worried about any flavor or any food left over in the racks, and we saw another cheetah, and that was the pinion of Ravada Yosef, who passed in the Lakhla Misha, that you can even have a same dishwasher for meat, and for dairy together at the same time, and the reason is, because we saw in the video, that the way dishwasher works is that the initial rinse is using cold water, and that gets rid of the majority of the food. And then the second rinse that has hot water, that introduces already soap inside, and that's going to be pungent. We mentioned that, we mentioned, though, that it depends when that soap is introduced into the hot cycle. If it's introduced after the water becomes the electrolyte-spose, then it's more problematic. If it's introduced before it becomes the electrolyte-spose, then you already have the soap that's pungent, that's pungent, that's pungent in the water, before it gets spritzed all over the place, then it's going to be okay, but if the soap is only introduced after the water was the electrolyte-spose, you have fleshik and Milhik dishes inside, so then that could be a problematic, and maybe even Ravavadi would be Mach Minad in that situation. We mentioned the Khashash of maybe, or a reason to be makled, or maybe the water goes through the salt, and that's going to be okay. Lakhora, after some research, we saw that the water that comes out of your dishwasher is not nifka, it's not so salty that you won't be able to drink it, and it's actually Roy La Chilo, so that wouldn't be a reason of the of the programs. The question now becomes that, when you roll up into Starbucks, and you want a bio coffee, right? So what are you relying on, meaning Starbucks, Dunkin' Donuts, a lot of these stores, what they do is that they sell non-coachier items, and they're hot non-coachier, and they'll make you a pork sandwich or this, and the toaster oven, so you have non-coachier dishes, and that's shyly basically becomes, is that are you allowed to use the bio coffee, because they're using Caleb that went into the same dishwasher that had terrific Caleb as well, right? So if they're washing, let's say, a cleat that had pork in it, and the frother, they put both those things into the dishwasher, at the same time, La Chola in your house, you wouldn't put kosher and non-coachier dishes in the same dishwasher, and say that it's okay. So why wouldn't it come to Starbucks, what would it be, would it be a mutter? So what we saw as this file, so we saw a video from Rabbi Fishman, who was like the world expert on Starbucks, when you went to hundreds of stores, he spoke to Brista, specifically like religious ones, and he went to find them, and when comes out, what he basically says is that it's very, he said we wanted to discuss the chatrile, wake up on my Monday morning, couldn't you go ahead and buy yourself a coffee in Starbucks to wake up? He seems to say definitely not, except for three drinks, meaning it depends how the drinks are made, but there are three drinks that Lecouliama would be allowed to get, and that is the Nespresso and Americano and Ahati, without any additives, without any milk. The reason is, because those three drinks, the bartender puts it, the Brista, he puts it directly into the coffee itself, meaning directly into the cup. If you have a disposable cup, you're getting an Americano, without any milk, without any hot milk, and then you're, so the person, he puts the Americano right under the machine, and it goes right from the machine into the cup, but if you're using, let's say a black coffee, or if you're taking a latte, where they're already using Caleb that get put into a dishwasher, so the black coffee has that picture. The frother has, it's a portable frother, so those are going to become, those are Traficanel, because they went into the dishwasher, and to use those would seem to be very problematic, and that's why he recommends not using, not buying coffee from Starbucks, unless it's one of those three drinks, if you're on the road and it's late at night, so then maybe there are other two of them that, in economy, there's a dishwasher in the soap, and maybe those would be reasons to be, to be mically, also pointed out that when it comes to Starbucks, one store, every store is different than one another, and therefore what happens in one store doesn't necessarily happen in the, in the, in the store, what he would grab a fish plane, did point that, which was fascinating with regards to Dunkin Donuts, says that Dunkin Donuts is very corporate oriented, and they have rules, and all the star, and all the Dunkin Donuts are basically exactly the same, so the ones that sell Traficanel food inside, those, you know, for sure are Traficanel, he says, but a lot of Dunkin Donuts have kosher, there, there are a lot of kosher Dunkin Donuts, so the company already has like this cautious mindset, where before they even introduce ingredients, number one, they would try to make sure that, ideally, they would want to make them kosher, and the number two, which, what he said, was fascinating, is that the way Dunkin Donuts cleans their, the dishwashers that they have, never go above Yatsulez's bone, since they never go above Yatsulez's bone, so you never really have a problem of, of, of, of the, the kingdom becoming trife, and, and on top of that, the way their, their dishwashers work is that they introduce the soap in the water, together exactly the same time, so Taka would be, it would be Pugum, so what comes out is that at a Dunkin Donuts, when the frother gets washed, in the washing machine, even if a piece of bacon falls on the frother itself, it doesn't make a difference, because it's, the water's not Yatsulez's bone, so everything's cold, there's no place, and the frother is, is basically, it's a kosher dish, right, it's a kosher pitcher, and you would be allowed to get hot drinks and cold drinks in the, in the, in the Dunkin Donuts, a lot of things are, just about everything, assuming the ingredients are, are kosher, everything the Chora would be, would be okay, and that's why Robert Fishminton is that if you have an option between a Dunkin Donuts and a Starbucks here, it's late at night and you're driving in the, the place that you stop, has both, for sure, holochically you should get, you should get a, a Dunkin Donuts, over a Starbucks coffee, fine, the next thing we discuss are the last three sefim in Shulkhanaakh, Sef Hei Bab and Zain, which discuss, the following situations, the Shulkhanaakh and Sef Hei Pascans al-Akhlamaisa, that if you have salt and kutach, opened each one in its own separate container, you shouldn't have them next to one another. Kutach is a dairy dip, because we're worried that you, that some of the dairy dip might fall into the salt, and then you might come and take that salt, and use it to salt your meat, and therefore you shouldn't have them open next to one another, the Raman says if they're closed, if they're covered, so then it is mutter. The Raman also says that if you accidentally left it open, and there's no sign that the kutach actually fell into the salt, so then also it's going to be mutter to salt your, your meat with this, with this, uh, with this salt. The Shulkhanaakh also writes, though, that if you have vinegar next to kutach, that's allowed, and the reason why that would be allowed, because when the, if kutach would fall into the vinegar, it would be bottle of Shisha, but when, when kutach falls into salt, it won't be bottle of Shisha, and it gets all clunky. That's with regards to having, uh, kutach, this dairy dip next to salt. What about having meat and milk next to one another, open container, open bowl of meat and milk and open pot, of meat and milk next to one another, says the Shulkhanaakh, that's going to be mutter. Why is that mutter, but putting kutach next to salt is us, sir. Explain to shah that when it comes to meat and milk, your, your antennas are up, your, your word. I'm not going to say there's a bust of a clove of yours, you're going to be extra careful to make sure that you don't cross contaminate, um, uh, but when it comes to kutach and salt, those two are allowed to mix, so therefore you're not going to be as careful, and therefore you should not leave them, open next to, uh, next to one, uh, next to one another. So that's how the, that's how the, the Shulkhanaakh Pasquans in the Ramaz says that even in this case, it's better to not leave, uh, open meat next to open dairy unless they're covered. If they're covered, then it's going to be okay, but if it's, if they're, if they're exposed, so then, uh, so then you should be careful and we'll discuss a few practical applications. So let's say you're having, uh, your hosting a Shabr-Brah Khos, your hosting, uh, I don't know, uh, Shalam-Zachar, and you want to have a coffee station in your house. Uh, so a lot of times you'll have like a container of salt of sugar, excuse me, a container of sugar, a container of coffee, and you'll have an open milk there. So if the milk is open and the container of sugar is open, a lot of times you'll have cross-contamination between the milk and, uh, and the sugar and you won't even be careful. So ideally, if you left it open, so then the Allah would be that, uh, you look inside and if there's no clunks of milk inside, the Chorah, you would be allowed to use the sugar for, uh, for meat, but definitely you should try to keep it, uh, you should try to keep it covered. The, uh, with regards to the fridge, so the Baad de Shulkhana quotes the Marshal who says that ideally in your kitchen, you should have a facial counter and a milky counter, and therefore says the Baad de Shulkhana also in your fridge, you should have, uh, a Milchic area and, uh, and a Flashek area. And the reason is that is because sometimes you put things that are hot into the fridge and things can spill, uh, and therefore it's better to keep them separated, especially if they're, if they're open. And a lot of times in our fridges, like we think things are open, right? Like, uh, if you have like a lid that actually seals it, so then in the Khannami, it's closed, but a lot of times we'll wrap, uh, you know, our leftover food from Shabis, uh, with like, uh, with tinfoil, and then at 11 o'clock at night, on Monday night, you come in and you want to take a little piece of schnutzle out of a piece of meat, you don't really cover it the whole way, and then accidentally things could, uh, could spill. And therefore it's better to, uh, to always make sure that, uh, you have your milk in your dairy and your Flashek in, in different parts of, uh, of the, of the, of the fridge. And some of the chronin right already, that the best thing to do is to, uh, is to put the, the dairy products lower down, because usually it's the dairy products that drip, your cottage cheese, your, your, uh, your yogurt, your milk, all those things, uh, are more prone to spilling. And therefore they should be on the lower shelves, as opposed, uh, as opposed to the higher shelves, which can fall down and actually cross-contaminate, uh, your, your stuff, the less safe in seven-side decay, is safe, uh, zine. We're here at the Mechabr says that if you have salt that was left in a Flashek bowl, you're allowed to use that salt with dairy. And there must says, no, I'm not going to have a lot of brokha. So the task is, why in the world would it be Mechami, right? Salt is not, can't take out the flavor from the, from the Flashek bowl, right? And even if you want to tell me that salt is a double chareff, That required, if you can only take flavor out, if there's also Toggedesakina, here it's just sitting there. Right? If it's just sitting there. Look how rich it should be. It should be mutter. It should be mutter to use it for salt. So in the Khenami, what the Badae Shokhan says is that the Ramma was only mahmeer in a situation where we're worried that you might come to where you're worried that the bowl itself wasn't clean. If the bowl itself wasn't clean, and you actually left salt there, so then the salt hack is going to absorb the meat. That was the meat fat, that thin layer of fat that wasn't cleaned well. And that's why the Ramma said that you should be mahmeer. But look, if you know for sure that your clean is clean, it's 100% clean. And you put salt inside. Even though it's a dairy, benyom, or dish, you would be able to take that salt and use it for meat later on. So that was Simin, Tzadike, Bishmahye, where the Sakhos to learn that, Kishmah, Kamo Shatsri, we did an entire safe, every single Simin, every single word in the Shokhanahar, Khena Ramma, and Shrein, Suzachin, to do Simin, Tzadike. Hey, the next big Sugged that we're going to discuss, Bishmahye, is the Suggedeak of Stamyeinam and Yainesakh. These are Shailas that apply so often, almost on a daily basis, but they apply very, very much. And it's very important to get that luck as done. And the goal is really to understand what's the luck of Ananju, touches your wine. If you have a wine that you got from Ananju, gifted you a wine, can you now sell it? Can you sell it on eBay? On Amazon. Could you give it your companies is joining together, and everyone in your company is chipping 40 dollars to buy the boss a 500 dollar bottle of wine. Are you allowed to do that? Are you allowed to give them that to chip into the wine? A waiter moves your cup of wine. Is that going to be us or what about a Michal Shabis before has to, who moves your wine? Is that going to be probably, you have a cleaning lead in your house, right? And she opens the fridge door, and on the fridge door there's the wine, right? Is that going to ask her your wine, or if she's cleaning the counter and she moves the wine? Is that going to be problematic? So all these Shailas was at the Shab, we're going to try to discuss. The Cimane Mar are large, it's from Cim and 123 to 178. It's a big clunk of Yoradea. But the Shabis will do the sygues that are relevant for us. Let's jump right in. And what we want to figure out is, as far as we want to figure out, to lay the groundworks of this sygge. We want to figure out three things. Number one is what is the difference between Stamyanam and Yainasek? Is there a difference between Stamyanam and what exactly is the difference? Number two is why did Chazal forbid Stamyanam? Why would it be? Why did they sit down together and say, okay, we're going to ask for this. And the number three is what was the historical times when this was actually enacted? Meaning where in Jewish history were these Takanus enacted? So if we answer these questions, when you get a better understanding of these questions, we'll be able to, Byzantium throughout the Samaan, get a better understanding of the details of the Allah. So let's start right away with what is the difference between Yainasek and Stamyanam? So very simple. The Torah tells us that when you have it, a vote is aura, right? The actual, the circumventory, if you have a vote is aura, there's a key of the right to destroy the vote is aura. You have to break the vote is aura. Even if it's made out of gold and diamonds, you're not allowed to benefit from it. You have to destroy the whole thing. It says, "Lotach mod, chazavizav shaleh." You have to get rid of all of it. The Gemar and the vote is aura says, not only is the vote is aura itself. Asura behana, but anything that is offered towards the vote is aura, is also becomes asura asura behana. And that would include Yainasek. The definition of Yainasek is why that's used for libation for an a vote is aura? Where it becomes asura behana and the Rahman Patsyans al-Akhlamaisa, that if you consume it even a little bit, even a drop, even one kernel of salt that was used as like an offering tena vote is aura, you're haev makus. Why? Because it's a special gzera sakasa that says, "Valoid bak bi'atchame" and that nothing could constict to you. And therefore it's a good idea to know that where do you have something that's less than a kazai and you'll get makus for it? Here is an example, which is things that are over offered for a vote is aura. So this is category number one, Yainasek. Why that's offered as libation? Is there a deraisa to benefit from? And is there a deraisa to consume? If you do consume even the smallest amount, you're haev makus. Comes the gzera and vote is aura and says, "Not only is Yainasek asura, but kazai came together and the asura stam yena." Stam yena means ordinary wine, meaning wine that wasn't used for libation, but it belongs to an anju. The juu made it, he owns it. It says wine. That wine is usur to drink and it's going to be also usur beana. Now, why did they sit down and they enact this gzera? Why did they say that it's usur? So the reason why they came that it's answers, the gammari says, that the asura they're bread, the asura they're oil, cooking also, visual outcomes also. And the asura they're wine. What's the reason they ask for all these things? Mishun binotein in order to prevent intermarriage, meaning chazal asura the wine of an anju because in order to prevent intermarriage. Now, if you just read that gammara, it seems that isser of stam yena is only an isser of consumption. It's only an isser of actually eating it. Why? Because the gammari says that the asura the bread and the oil and the wine of an anju. And those things are only usur beachila. They're not usur beana. However, we have another gammari anavodizara that says they know, when chazal asura the wine, they leveled up and they said that it's even usur beana. So we have category number two over here, which is called stam yena wine that belongs to an anju. Chazal came together and they said, you're not allowed to drink that wine because we want to prevent intermarriage. Not only you're not allowed to drink it, they also said that it's going to be usur beana. And what we need to figure out soon is why specifically by wine, did they wear the supermachwara and they said it's also usur beana. When it comes to bishalakum, when it comes to pasakum, it's not usur beana. I can have a bakery that sells non kosher bread, meaning not pass powder bread. I can get her enough from it. But why when it comes to the anusach, did they excuse me? Why when it comes to stam yena to wine that belongs to an anju? Why did they say that you're also not allowed to benefit from it? So that's category number two, category number three. That the gammari anavodizara says is that you have another wine that becomes usur. And that's wine that belongs to you. It's wine that belongs to a Jew, but a guy touched it. And once the guy touches it, it becomes usur beachila. And it also becomes usur beana. So what comes out so far is we have three different categories of wine. Category number one of wine is called yain nasach. Yain nasach means wine that was used for libation. There's an isodarice that the benefit from it. There's an isodarice to drink from it. If you drink even a small amount, you're haimak. Category number two is what's called stam yena. Stam yena means wine that belongs to an anju. Chazal said it's usur to drink that wine because we want to prevent intermarriage. And not only is it usur to drink that wine, but it's also usur beana. We're going to try to figure out soon. Why did they level up with this gzera and say it's also usur beana. And then you have Category number three, which is wine. That was, that was, that was yours. That belongs to you, the Jew owns it. But an anju touches it. Once the anju touches it, it becomes usur beachila. And it becomes usur beana. Now, when exactly were all these dinim enacted? When exactly in, in, in Jewish history? You know, before we get to the, to the Jewish history, let's try to figure out why did chazal level up, right? Why did chazal when it comes to, when it comes to stam yena? Why is it that chazal said that not only is it usur beachila, it's also usur beana, right? Meaning all the other things that chazal answered in order to prevent intermarriage. Pas aakom, fischel aakom, their oil. All those things are only usur beachila. So wine, which they also sat down in order to prevent intermarriage, they said, no, not only is it usur beachila and shtia, you're also not allowed to benefit from it, which means I can't give it to my boss as a gift, which means if a guy gives it to me, I can't sell it on Amazon, 'cause it's usur beana, right? So why did they level up? So we're gonna see three different opinions in the rishonim of why chazal said that it's also gong that stam yena, it's also gong to be usur beana. That's what we're gonna see now, three different opinions in the rishonim. And what we're gonna see, hopefully, is that based on these three different opinions, we're gonna have a lot of practical ramifications, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah. So let's see, number one. Again, what we're trying to figure out is why is it that chazal, when they forbade stam yena, lest you come to intermarriage, they also said it's usur beana. So comes the base of sivin, it's also the piscuit, right? And they say it's false. They say when chazal sat down, what brought them to the table? What brought them to make the gzera? Intermarriage. They wanted to prevent intermarriage. So now, when, how did they prevent it? The manager said, you're not allowed to drink wine, but when they made the gzera, prohibiting wine, they had what the model after, which is what? Ya'inaseh. So when they forbade wine at that sitting, they forbade it and they gave it to chumra as if it was Ya'inaseh. Meaning it's almost like, "Kaim, kumbakum, shi'tikumra baanikin." The rishonigin, kind of like that, you can say. We're basically chazal or sitting down or saying, "We're going to ask her why." So we have a model to model ourselves after, right? What could we model ourselves after? We can model ourselves after. Ya'inaseh. We can formulate the gzera based on Ya'inaseh. And therefore, we're going to ask her right now. But when the ask her past palter, there's nothing to. There's nothing to model itself after. So therefore, it's all going to be aserbeachil. So that's reason number one. And that is, the reason why chazal leveled up with Ya'in, is because they had what to model themselves after, which is Ya'inaseh. And therefore, it becomes. And therefore, it becomes even aserbeana. Explanation number two is the explanation of the run. It comes the run and he says like this. Really, chazal only wanted to ask her it by a chile. Just like the other one, just like pasakum and bishlakum. You only want it to ask her by a chile. But they had a problem. If we only ask her by a chile, and we say that it's mutter beana, so what are people going to say? People are going to mix up stamyeinam with Ya'inaseh. And they're going to end up getting Hanaa from Ya'inaseh. Now, if you get Hanaa from Ya'inaseh, what's that? That's an esotericah, right? That's libation wine. You use the libation wine. That's an esotericah to get Hanaa from that. So what did they say? They said we're going to ask her stamyeinam also, also beana. Meaning also stamyeinam is going to be usurbeana in order to prevent you from ever getting Hanaa from Ya'inaseh. The rashba, which is the third opinion, is similar to the rahn, right? Very similar to the rahn. He just says that this didn't happen in one sitting, but it happened in two sitting. So meaning sitting number one, Chazal sat down. And they said we need to ask her wine because it's going to lead to intermeasure. right? It's going to cause here. It's going to cause intermage. So that's what they did. They sat down and they asked for intermage. They asked for wine together with oil and together with fish lakum and pasakum wine because all of that is going to lead to intermage. And that's it. And it was only asterbishtia. And then they walked around and they saw that what was happening is that people were benefiting from Stamyanam, which is allowed. But they were also started to benefit from Yainasek. So they got together and they said, "Whoa, everyone is now learning from Stamyanam to Yainasek and therefore we're going to ask for everything behana." So what comes out according to these three opinions, meaning what brought chazal to the table? What brought chazal to the table in order to forbid Stamyanam, wine that belongs to Ananju, what brought them to the table was that they wanted to prevent intermage. But then once they made the gzera, once they sat down to make the gzera, they also answered it behana, they leveled up and asked for it behana for one of the reasons. Either because, number one, is they had what to mod a little after, which is Yainasek. And therefore right away the initial gzera was to include it and give it the chumla of Yainasek that it becomes faster behana. Reason number two, is chazal sat down and he said, "We really only want to ask for it behana, but people are going to mix it up with Yainasek, so we're also going to ask for it behana as well." Reason number three, which is the rashma, was it actually was a two step process, where they first only asked for it behana, then they saw that people were mixing it up. So what did they do? They asked for it also behana, and we're going to see Nafkeminas from those three things very shortly. Now, when was all of this enacted? One exactly in Jewish history, where all these three things enacted. So there's different opinions. One, where there's a prick of their bless, and that says it was in time, a pinchus that he did it with, was dimrian kasbi, or daniel, or was it was in lios of hamani bin chiskeh with hill on chamay. One exactly was, it's in the ramban and the basios, if the way they understood it, is that pinchus acid it, and it wasn't, the cipper wasn't, didn't accept it, maybe because machinaren were there, and they didn't give the stamp of approval, and therefore it wasn't accepted. The second, and then daniel tried to re-initiate it again, also wasn't accepted until bishamaid, the tulidima bishamaid bishamaid came together and they made these 18 gazeros, where it was finally accepted in Amiso. So that was the chronological order of one exactly it happened. So let's summarize everything we just did right now, and then leave just a little bit of a Nafkemina that can come out alaqah alaqah alaqah alaqah. So again, we said there's three categories of wine that you're not allowed to drink. One is called iaim nestach, which is an issa de rica wine that's used for libation, that is wine that you're not allowed to drink, you're not allowed to get enough from it, you drink even a drop, chaim aqas. Number two is we have wine that's called stam yanam, stam yanam is acer in order to prevent intermarriage, right? And therefore really it should only be acer beachila, just like pasakam and bishlakam, bakam chazal and chazal say no, not only is acer beachila it's also acer behana, right? That's category number two, and the category number three is when daniel touches your wine, it's your wine that he touches it, it also becomes acer bechila and acer behana. Now we wanted to know in the second category when chazal acer stam yanam, right? Wine that belongs to you in order to prevent intermarriage, and they said that wine that belongs to ananju, that we're saying it's forbidden in order to prevent intermarriage, why is it also acer behana, why is it also acer to get enough from it, it should be like pasakam and bishlakam and oil, which only acer bechila and acer behana. So we have three different enough caminas, we have three different explanations in the Rishonam, and what we're going to see now is that these three explanations could have enough camina, an hour al-Hallaq al-Amaysa today in tafshin pay dalat, tafshin payay, or whenever you're listening to this, in order to that would have a practical enough camina. So let's let's break down those three sheeters again, sheet number one is that when chazal came and they sat in the room and they said we need an acer stam yanam, why did they sit together, they sat together because they wanted to prevent intermarriage, but now once they enacted the taqana according to the first explanation, they enacted it similar to actual yayin asach since they had what to model it after, and they gave it the chumrav yayin asach, so when they forbade stam yanam, they basically sat and as they did of yayin asach. Acceleration number one, acceleration number two was the rat that they were worried that if we just acer behana, people might also end up getting benefit from, people might get benefit from yayin asach, which is acer, acer meh, which is acer meh de reisa, and then acceleration number three is that it actually was a two-star process. Chazal sat down on the only acer de behachila. Bishtia, and you're not allowed to drink it, but what they saw was that people were being laxed with yayin asach, and therefore, and benefiting from yayin asach, and therefore they also, they also, all the wine, also beh with hana. So now, based on this, the question becomes, based on these three sheeters, the question comes, what about today? In our generation, the bassocy, the rishayinam already say, they go in and even, that there isn't real libation, right? Meaning real libations when you're pouring it on like the mishbeh, even in the churches today, they end up drinking the wine, the bassocy of explains, right? But they're not actually, it's not like a real libation that would make it acer. So the geonim, and the name of rashi, wanted to say, they're a rashi, sorry, in the name of the geonim, wanted to say that today, there is no israhana when it comes to, when it comes to stam yayinam, stam yayinam is mutterbana. Now, why would this make sense? This would only make sense within the opinion of the rashba, within the third opinion, which means, chazal sat down, and they said, we don't want Jews drinking stam yayinam, because if Jews drink stam yayinam, they're going to enter married, and that was the gzera that they made. Then, they sent out the gzera, they put the pashkivili everywhere, and everyone stopped drinking stam yayinam, right? But what happened, what happened was that people were still benefiting from stam yayinam, which was mutter, but then they accidentally were also benefiting from yayinasech. So chazal sat down, oh my goodness, right? There are people benefiting from, from yayinasech. So what do chazal do? Chazal say, everything is a srbana, right? Everything is a srbana, but today, where most of the guys, the majority of the guys do not use yayinasech, so that second level gzera is not applicable anymore. So we can basically revert to the original gzera, which is the iqr gzera, which is only where stam yayinam is only a srbana, because of chazal sat down, because it might lead to intermarriage, and therefore it's only a srbana to do what? It's only a srbana to drink, and it's not a srbana to benefit from. So based on this opinion, based on this opinion, you would be allowed to benefit from wine that belongs to, from wine, that stam yayinam. It would be much better, but if you learn like the first explanation that we saw, and this is down there, I'm going to learn, if you learn like the first explanation, that said that when chazal sat down to forbid stam yayinam, why did they sit down to forbid stam yayinam in order to prevent intermarriage? So now they're sitting at the table, and they want to prevent intermarriage, right? So how do they prevent intermarriage? They say we're assuring it, not just bachila, but also bana, because we're modeling it after yayinaseh itself. So now, who cares that today, no one does yayinaseh, right? Even though no one, even though the guy who don't do yayinaseh now, the majority of the guy who don't use the wine for yayinaseh, who cares? When the gizera was enacted, it was enacted to model actual yayinaseh, and even if the reason doesn't apply, it's still going to be srbana. And we're going to see, the shokharachansif al-Pasghans al-Akhlamisah, that today, yayinaseh, and excuse me, today stam yayinam, and why that was touched by yayinaseh, why that was touched by yayinanju, the luck is that it's a srbachila, and it's also a srbana. Comes the ramah, the ramah is going to tell us, then no, maybe there are, because like the first opinion that we said, that maybe if we hold that it's a two level process, where the initial gizera was just to prevent jhatnos, right, by stam yayinam, and then it was just to prevent jhatnos, and then later on, they added hana, right? They added the israhana, because people were getting mixed up with yayinaseh, but today, where there is no yayinaseh, so there is no need that, that gzera falls away by the wayside, and you're just left with the initial gzera, and therefore, it's only a srbachila, but it's not going to be a srbhana itself, and we see how to describe the future weeks, we'll elaborate on this shokhargadan.