Sheryl Underwood on Flagrant

y'all might well start the camera right now let it roll yeah well i think that okay there's when you so when you guys all of you are married yes yeah okay it's not really married he likes to pretend like he's married it's married it's not it's that what is y'all shacking or what's y'all no we engage you engage oh okay so you almost you bought a ring you married yes right okay got it got it got it so you met so you married so you you fell in love with the girl oh you fell in love with the girl is there anything that she does to this day that still drive you up a wall like me annoys me yes no he's perfect you're the jack penny so you're gonna leave her and bury me yeah you I don't want to be with her never coming home sunshine okay what does y'all want to talk about yes okay so y'all heard me talking to somebody that I was like what something was frustrating you we could tell um but here's I'm trying this new thing yeah and this new thing is called figure out where you could be contributing to your own frustration accountability there you go and I wish how do we get a new book it's a new book we can all write together hey bitch you are the problem you are contributing we were trying to write that book for a long time this is a scientific paper okay so how do we how do we solve this uh theory how do we test how have you noticed that you're the problem how can you think you're the problem when you're on fire right now it seems like every decision you made was the right decision well uh I would say most if you're the problem you're the problem you're the problem you're the problem you're the problem if you're 90 it's the 10 that you need to work on okay so if you're communicating with someone and they don't seem to be understanding then the first thing I look at is because my dad taught me look at yourself first so am I not conveying it right or did I believe now this is where I think me as a woman did I believe that you were capable of doing of not doing what you're doing yeah so if I believe that you were capable of not doing the thing that annoys me then I'm the problem because I believed it no I believed that you were not going to do the thing oh if you don't like hair on soap yeah and every time this dude comes over his hair it's his hair on my soap so he ain't taking my bar of soap and rubbing his balls with it can I say that yeah rubbing the balls with it yeah yeah and and then it's in my shower but I'm in love with this dude yeah and I go with this motherfucker with that with the pubic hair on my damn soap yeah but if I believe that he's incapable if he's capable of not doing that yeah but he continues to do it so either it's a challenge to authority somewhere in there okay because he doesn't want to be controlled so this bitch keep asking me about the pubic hair on the soap and I keep telling this bitch showing this bitch I'm gonna put the pubic hair on the goddamn soap because I'm a fucking man there is an ego in it which is like stop telling me what to do yes it's almost like you need a suggestion or ask it but telling there's a thing about the being told well I say might you consider see I think we look at that and we just uh yeah she just told me what the fuck to do uh well see I feel like it's the man you remember when I was I don't know if y'all saw me on uh Shannon Sharpe's club right and he asked me how did I feel being a breadwinner I'm like I'm not the breadwinner I'm the person who might make more money in a relationship depends on who the man is but I'm not the breadwinner the man is the breadwinner and we live off of what you do my money is in addition to hey you want to be a cowboy I'm going to send you to Montana to learn how to be a cowboy for your birthday right that's what my money is for right so you when you're with a guy you will live completely within the means of his salary if that's what he wants to do well first I got to get to being engaged or married or being that girl for you because if if well I believe and I could be wrong and hit me in the comments I believe when a man's money is not stable he cannot concentrate on a personal relationship with a woman there's a version of that because it's hard to separate your identity yes your ability to provide that's right some guys can do it man what the gigolo the gigolo yes but they have a disconnect there's almost like a sociopathy that allows them to do it but then to me uh God makes woman's intuition to go that guy's a gigolo do I want to be with a gigolo or do I want to be with all these other girls that are with the gigolo and then because I would ask a man how long do you plan on being a gigolo and can you use those skills for anything else and how can I help you in the beginning yes we gonna do what we gonna do but if you you you seem to be good at being a gigolo because you pulled me and I fell for the move so that's what you gonna do and I got the 1500 if that's what we doing so what are we doing with this 1500 that's right how are we gonna trade how are we gonna take 750 of us or 500 puts a 500 crypto yeah 500 trying to get your life together yeah and then another 500 for you to live off of now you want to be in a relationship with me or this just is this a transaction which all relationships are still transactions how so to me how so you're either trading for love or comfort or or security or you make me feel good or you care about me does it make it not transactional if it's a love for love trade there's still a transaction there's equal love I love you you love me and we build a life together it's still a transaction it's just more pleasant transaction right if it's just uh I'm fucking you because you pay me or I'm fucking you because I get something from it or home security yeah that's right that's right to me I wish people would just talk about it's a transaction because my needs are meeting your needs and let's see how we can get together and if we enjoy ourselves together but then you got to figure out what about the shit about me that you don't like and then can you handle that shit and can we just talk about it what's not likable about you what could someone not like oh it's a lot it's a lot what is what is the thing are you you smell phenomenal you're in game bro no okay listen listen I'm not against interracial I have sampled everything God have made on the buffet of love so I'm not against it same right what's the best can you rank them I I would say well everybody's decent if you're still talking to me after we do something to do a decent you know if you ain't if you ain't put your hand in my back and said all right sure that was cool okay the mix will be on in a few minutes okay is in your shoes bitch uh why are you still here and I get an uber wait no I had a guy okay wait see this is a good start so I met this guy we've been talking on the phone for about a year talking on the phone um what race uh he black uh played football yeah um and we met at a super ball oh and he comes up I'm selling cassettes that's how long ago it was cassettes and cds and posters so he comes up how much how much this cost how much this cost and I was like okay if you big ass gonna buy something buy something so then he says you know let's exchange numbers and I said well you know listen uh I'm I'm not these bitches okay so straight up straight up I said I'm not these bitches I'm a different bitch if you want to exchange numbers cool but I I'm not excited about that right so we start talking and we talk talk for months years I think I'm getting to know him right so by the time something about to happen I'm in the city where he's playing football and he sends a car for me now you just how far back since a stretch limo you know so we all looking out the window I was like don't ooh ah don't ooh ah it's a setup regular it's a setup no it's a setup I'm thinking it's a setup I'm being set up okay so it's a setup so I get to to the crib I used to tell this story in my act where we get to the location and the limousine dude is just throwing shit out the car like drive off I'm like I'm trapped in this motherfucker but I'm glad I got gas money in case I need to get the fuck out jump out a window or something yeah right so then we get together and he says uh he said I gotta I gotta go I gotta go to work I said okay he's in training camp I said okay so what's up and uh he said uh what do you mean I said when is the car coming to get me to take me back he said Friday I said motherfucker I'm not fucking like this for four more days you're in training camp not me right so but then I thought about it so then he goes downstairs and some money and cockies and it's con garage and everything so I go down and look at the car car's not been driven and it's a guap it's a big guap of money right guap so I look at it I go it's a setup this something this is not right you know this first day and I get the money in the car and it's some bullshit must be some cameras around this motherfucker I'm being set up right i never think it's the happily ever after never ever so i call my father and i go daddy i said i think i think i'm being set up you're calling your dad from the house yeah from the house where i was in the car i called my dad yeah and i and i said i think i'm being set up he said what do you mean and i told him what happened you said the details yeah i said we you know we were romantic you know and i said but i said this happened this happened this happened i said what do you think he said don't fuck this up until i meet my son-in-law what and then and then when it's time for me to go back because it's time for him to go play with the team so you stayed for the weekend yeah yeah stay for the weekend how was your body holding up uh it was it was a struggle it was out there yeah because i'm only five two right it was a struggle so when it's time to go right so i said so what's up you know what is this i said because this is a lot this seems like he said why don't you just relax and then he said i'm gonna take you the car's gonna take you back i said oh no motherfucker no after five days of this you have to go back and you have to introduce yourself to my father and you have to talk to him what what i said motherfucker yeah i said so put some clothes on so i made him get in the car that i didn't drive and he drove me back to where my father was i said get out the motherfucking car go talk to my dad so he walks in and uh my dad's watching wrestling so he's sitting straight to tv he doesn't look up my father doesn't look up he's my father old school southern right he doesn't look up and i said daddy this is such a such a such he nods at him and he and then i said why don't you just tell him what you do for a living i play his football my father said you do not have to bring her back to come back and visit us i said did you get that now once he said he played football he don't give a fuck about me you're welcome to come here anytime you want anytime you want so what i'm saying is is a long story long is you have to figure out what is is especially as a woman you need to figure out what is is and what role you're going to play in this situation yeah and that's why i do not believe any man i date whether you play football or whether you work at the gas station yeah i'm not the breadwinner you are the head of the household because that's the way i was raised my father was the head of household when my father died i deferred to my older brother oh really right but you got leader energy i don't know i don't believe that you completely would defer to anybody um but a leader also has to play the position you know you could leave from behind absolutely and and i you know everybody that works like a football player that's right and he was trying and i was scurrying no no no that's not for you that's not for you but everybody that i work with i tell they go you're the boss no i'm not the boss i'm the leader interesting the boss tells you what to do and you can be unhappy about it the leader leads you into battle and you will go into battle with the leader because you know we're coming back alive and that's why i'd rather be the leader than being the boss to dictate to someone is this military influence or did you have this from like your pops early on your mom early on like like where are you getting this philosophy on the ground i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't my dad really shaped my world view yeah um and he was military he and all his brothers were in the army and then my mother married a man who was stationed at off at air force base and that's how we got to castle air force base and went into the air force so i was at warner high but i always but wait hold on didn't you you went into air force later though right you got your master's before that i was working on my master's while i was in the air force got it so i got my associates my bachelor's and my bachelor's and i was in the air force and i was in the air force and i was in my master's degree a paralegal certificate from ucla and i have five honorary doctorates four of them from hbcus one i'm from university illinois chicago so i wanted to go to college um because my dad was really really smart um and but my dad was he was progressive but very conservative yeah you know so he would read a lot and understand uh people and i wanted to be that and uh my dad and my uncles or my mother and my father's side very very funny yeah so i would just be in the corner watching them like how so what would you observe absorbing storytelling yeah cadence um hitting the joke and i was like okay that's interesting because i started out um as a singer was singing the choir no most of us okay you grew up in the church church singing the choir so i was like oh maybe i could be a singer i want to be in the entertainment business definitely definitely yeah five years well you know you know us community what did your parents wake you up in the middle of the night to dance for their friends and perform okay but they never said come my son can pop lock and spin on his head they never said that are you in salsa dancing you want everybody there you don't have no white shoes and i like that i wasn't nice okay so you're a puerto rican dominican none of that happened for you when we were growing up our parents would wake us up to perform for their friends while they're playing cards and all this stuff yeah so i thought okay to get that kind of attention you know oh okay i kind of liked it i knew i wanted to be in the entertainment business because i spent a lot of time in the house and watching things and i was like i can do that i can do that but how do what do i do do i start off as a singer i don't have pipes my voice when i started singing it sounded more like diana ross you know but now that i've been doing comedy for so long it's lower it's like lou ross you know so it's deeper now i still sort of sing i can sing talk i say i can sing talk walk dance you know quick update i'm gonna be out in la shooting a movie this summer but we added some stand-up shows so pull on up the brea improv will be there july 17th and july 18th and then we're gonna be at the halifax nova scotia canada great outdoors fest august 8th so you can go grab tickets any of those shows if tickets are still available to you all right mark what do you got oh i have great news i'm going all over at the end of the year i'm going to plano texas chandler arizona pasadena california san diego california and then i'm also going to a couple other spots that are going to be coming up at the end of the year like detroit michigan and salt lake city utah and i can wait i can't wait to see you guys all there marky i'm on live.com alex guys my monthly tennis series the all love club.com the tennis is on the air and i'm going to be at the end of the year and i'm going to be at the end of the year on july 25th i'll see you guys there the first one was fantastic second one's going to be even better then i got into dancing uh and i uh answered an ad while i was in college uh at a bar uh and it was a sexual interpretive dance that's what we call it sexual interpretive dance yes it's a great way of saying stripping yeah it's art i thought i was being artful what it was so i grew up in chicago yeah and it's a tavern and it's still there it's still open to this day and the owner remembers the day that i did this that's a fucker yes how old are you when you go in oh i was uh 1920 uh i was young i was young but old so i'm in this place where you're supposed to you put on the lingerie and then you're supposed to model yeah so the guy the guy buys it so whoever buys it like burlesque yeah no it's a little bitty place burlesque seems beautiful it's like a movie with what's that girl christina aguilera and share have you seen it moulin rouge burlesque was the movie they did together matter of fact james brolin was in the movie but i digress so uh it's more like you buy buy the lingerie you walk around the little bar and whoever wants you to take it off they pay for it they pay for it they pay for it they pay for the lingerie so you take it off in front of them and then they get to keep your lingerie but you're naked in front of these dudes so it's really a fancy version of stripping but um and i think god let me know what i'm not capable of doing so i start to tell jokes and i was doing the fred sanford i was telling you and then full lingerie yeah and i'm straight dude you know so that's when i knew oh i can do it and then being in the military yeah um i was making people laugh in the military because you have to entertain we had a lot of downtime so you have to entertain and basic training um i was basic uh lachlan air force base lachlan was uh basic training san antonio uh the tech school because i went in as a medic and they told me i could transfer out to mwr what's mwr morale welfare and recreation so that's what i wanted to be because i knew i wanted to be in the military and i was in the military and i was in the military and i was in the entertainment business wait do you go in as an officer no i didn't i went in as an enlisted but it helped me pay my way through school right and but it also taught me how to entertain people you don't know if we're talking to each other then we know some of the things of our background that's going to make us laugh there's a shared understanding and a shared reality but when you're talking to somebody that you never knew anything about absolutely mexican dude from el paso texas that's right you still got to crack him or a white boy from oklahoma yeah you gotta make him laugh and so um i found that i was funny and i was doing the cadence because i was too i couldn't do the guide on the guide on this where you twirl the flag yeah yeah but they can't don't let that flag hit the ground airman you know so you can't let the flag hit the ground and they hear that everybody looking at you like you crazy right so i couldn't do that uh because i don't think i had the um because you got to twirl it under your arm okay and i couldn't do it but then they said well what else could you do and one of the tis said let her do the cadence the chance and but my chance were you know your your mother was home when you left your right your mother so but mine were dirty oh so you're doing okay okay yeah and people looked forward to us marching but mine were dirty and they're trying to keep a straight face they're trying that's right they're trying to crack do you remember any of the uh any of the cadences um nothing i could say here but i say whatever you want well no i one thing i do remember is that uh i learned that i could be entertaining but i also learned that um it takes being in the military first it's a scary thing because they strip you down to build you back up but it's the best thing i wish in this country we had mandatory and if you don't want to do mandatory military service for two years go in the peace corps yeah do do something you should do something in this country we were talking about this like volunteering like the national parks or something yes serving the country in some capacity we were we were in uh virginia beach this past weekend doing shows and the uss iwo jima yeah came back and i've never seen this live but like you got to see the ship that was away for 10 months yes the whole family people with kids yeah it's also like 10 months so you see a really young baby you're like hold on dude i got emotional man i got kind of caught up like the music the pomp and circumstance also just seeing these young like these these are kids they're like 21 years old they're coming off their moms they're grabbing them it was their first time he's like big hugs and it was just this beautiful thing asking one of the moms like oh who are you here for she's like oh my son and you're like how long has he been employed she says 296 days oh to yes today it was to the day it is like a care packages um they said they said amazon replaced all that yes i said if you try to send a care package it's going to take twice as long as if you just go amazon direct and i'll find a way and and that's what's good about ingenuity of course but also when you're away like that you live for letters and care packages and things like that and i remember when i was first performing after i got out of the reserve they called me somebody called me to do a comedy show yeah and we were in uh uh yukusuka yeah uh naval base where in japan in japan so i was doing my comedy has always been adult yeah always been sexual always been adult profane so i was wearing these fringe hot pants and it's fringe uh uh bolero jacket and boots and i had these fishnet stockings and pumps on that i couldn't really walk in and i was telling the most hardcore sexual humor and they and the admiral they said the admiral would like to see you and i said sir and he says so you former military i said yes sir and he said um listen i'm gonna give it to you straight what we can't protect you these men have been on the ship for 40 years if you keep talking you can't protect when the u.s military says they can't protect you you know who they put in front of the because we were staying in billeting uh where the you know the the hotel is called billeting so we were staying there you know who they put in front of my door to guard me every night and they were in shifts bruce lee the marines really the marines because these dudes were sitting outside of my door playing the guitar uh making uh beaded necklaces and professor and professor and professor and professor and professor and professor and professor dressing their love and i was like what is happening what is that i'm just doing a show yeah you know but i do i like perform for the military the last thing i did i did a uso tour oh yeah that's pretty oh my god so fun so fun but what made it really fun for me it was with the sergeant major of the army and i kept asking are you sure you mean me are you sure you want me to go because you know me right and the uso people are like absolutely because you don't get paid for it it's the payment is the love from the troops yeah so we go to afghanistan whoo uh and we go down to the fobs well first i'm so excited i think i'm going to walk up to general petraeus and i'm going to shake his hand and hug him and tell him how great his general petraeus was like who the fuck are you you know we're the dallas cowboy so then but the but the command sergeant majors and and the people that knew me and then they were who was i because they had double the people so the people that knew me from deaf comedy jam and common view they had double the people so i was doing this bit shelvis a tribute to the king and i was uh dressed as elvis presley with the mutton chops and the wig and custom made elvis outfit from bk enterprise where elvis was getting his mate okay and and i was doing this that was my intro and people died laughing and everything and they loved the country singers and they were waiting for dallas cowboy chillies but we went to a five a forward operating base in afghanistan and you could hear these dudes on their heads who the fuck is the black girl i don't know who the fuck she is and i was telling every dick joke every dirty joke i knew and they were stomping and clapping and then i could get i got on the helicopter and they said whoever she is protect her i never laughed that hard and that's what comedy does in my opinion yeah absolutely oh that's amazing it brings us together same thing with the roast oh absolutely i think that's the thing that a lot of people maybe don't understand like the camaraderie that exists within the military it's like when you know that your life is dependent on the person next to you you don't really care that much that they're filipino that's right you don't care a lot of this shit goes out the window absolutely so a lot of my buddies that are in the military they have these like incredibly close relationships with guys like from all different walks of life but there's nothing off limits no it's not like a regular office job where like you would never maybe share your real personality with somebody and you're not at the office that's right you're gonna get to know who that person is absolutely because you're shitting showering and shaving with the person you know you're eating the same mre that they're eating yeah you're telling stories you're sad that your girl betrayed you so now you want to shoot somebody i'm just saying you need to be facetious but but i think military um it's one of the great law enforcement anything that like you say your life is on the line it gets different but but also it's the humor it's gallows humor like people that were so upset about the roasts yeah what did you first of all you had an amazing set thank you i'm obviously you've heard this but like you killed it there was something that i thought you brought to the rose that was fantastic which was one genuinely having fun is infectious right like whoever has the most fun yes i want to be around as a person that's consuming yes right the person who's watching the game and they're having the most fun watching the game that's the part of the bar you want to be around yes and you were out there you were having so much fun and it in in a way it like broke the fourth wall like there are moments where and i want to ask you here it's like i don't know if you're even reading off the prompter like are you just making up all this shit like this is a big fucking moment i did the brady one there's a it's a big moment where you're going okay i've been working on this i want to make sure that everything goes well but it felt like you were just kind of letting it rip well okay like it felt so natural yours yeah okay could you because a lot of people don't really understand the amount of preparation it is a production and they're you running jokes with their writers did you guys do that so basically so i had a few guys that that were working with me and they were fantastic me too yeah and like and you should have the guys that kind of like understand your voice that's right and um it was not to make this about me but it was a crazy weekend we don't make it about us okay we're making it so it was like i was doing madison square garden friday saturday and then i had to go do the roast sunday uh-huh so basically i was like okay i have two weeks to work on the roast and then i want to make sure i'm ready for a master square garden yeah so it was like this it was crazy week but some amazing guys that helped me write write uh robbie slovik ryan nesson uh matt broussard uh tyler morrison i want to make sure i'm getting all the guys anyway uh but uh i had it all kind of mapped out but there is that part of you when you're up there you're like man i just want to be in this moment and i felt like the times where i kind of like segwayed away yeah i felt like the times where i kind of were like the realist i saw dana white in the audience and i like had a joke on him like there were just these and i saw you do that or at least it felt like you were doing that what happened that's what happened you saw the whole place just get caught up in it yes it was like the most pure version of what you wanted to say that's right and now instead of like us analyzing the misdirection of your joke we're caught up on your energy absolutely and that's what you want and that's what american humor is all about yeah this is an international experience because everybody got netflix yeah but i agree with you for me um i took a meeting with netflix and i pitched an idea that i wanted to do with them and they were like oh that's that's interesting great idea would you do netflix as a joke I was like, sure, you want me to do that? So they said, okay, let's start there. So they offered me the Ice House in Pasadena, the 100-plus-seat room. It wasn't no big room, right? Great room. That's right, very intimate. See, I like the intimacy of the comedy club. There's something beautiful there. You can't beat it. The connection is built there. That's right. Theaters are great. They're amazing. But you cannot hold your lemon pepper wings and your drink on your lap. You can literally touch everybody in the club. You can slap somebody in the back. Did you hear what the fuck she just said? Also, everyone can see everyone else. That's right, and it brings people together. And you can feel, okay, you don't like this. Okay, let me transition over to that. Because I'm doing political humor on the road. I'm talking about being a Republican. I'm doing Trump jokes. I'm doing, you know, why do Democrats are going to continue to lose election jokes? But I'm using every word in the lexicon. Yeah. And telling them why I'm using these words. So in a comedy club, it's more intimate. Yeah. But I got a couple of calls from my colleagues saying, you're too big. You need to be in the Hollywood Bowl show. You need to be in the this, this, this. Why would you do a little bitty room like that? Why not? Why not? If this is where we work, this is where we work. I think sometimes people get caught up on, like, the perception of what you should be doing. Instead of, like, what you choose to be doing. Absolutely. And I think you've been in the game long enough where, like, maybe you're not as worried about that. I think, like. Like, when people are first getting there, a little bit of momentum. Yes. And I remember being in that position where it's just like, all right, what should we do? And what is the venue we should be doing? Right. And then I think after you do those things, you go, well, what do I want to do for where I'm at in my hour? There you go. And see, for me, I wanted to do, I asked him, I said, will you allow me to bring the show that I'm doing? I'm doing the I Need a Job tour. Will you allow me to bring that show into the Ice House? They said, sure. Whatever you want to do is your night. So it's, I go on first. Yeah. Then it's Kyle Irby goes up. Now, Mike Washington usually travels with us, but he, we're all such close family. You'll start your own show? Oh, absolutely. And then you bring up comics. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And that's what I was trying to advance. Oh, interesting. That's the show that I really want to do because I think that there's a camaraderie of comics. There are a lot of comics out there that think that their career is, they're not going to have it. But there's some great comics. There's some great comics out there that need us to pull them up and go, come on, it's not over for you. You could be, um, you could be, uh, Kathy Griffin. Yeah. Come on, girl. Yeah. So, so you had that issue with the head, with the bloody head. Okay. Come on back. Tammy Pescatelli. Great comic. When you're talking about Melly Camacho, but you're talking about, there are a lot of old school comics that need to be put back in the mix. So I asked, could I do this? And then they said, okay, what about BT Kingsley? I was like, cool. So we did the show the way we do it. Are you doing time? Time in between? Like if I'm going to see Cheryl and I want, and I want more than just the opening, am I going to get Cheryl throughout the whole night? You get what I would do as a headliner. You get that up front. Oh, you open the whole thing. I open the show and you get that up front and then Kyle comes up and he does the show. But when Mike Washington is with us, I do what I do. Then Kyle comes up. Then me and Kyle got a banter. Then we bring up Mike Washington and then he does what he does. And then me. And Mike got a banter. So it's like being in a comedy team with everybody on the show. And it's a, I say it's a house party inside of a comedy club and it's fun, but it also, we run it. The time is right. Cause it helps me do better on time. You know, if you want to be in the club all night long, but these people have been here setting up before you were here. Come on, let's get them in. Let's entertain and let's feed them, put drinks and food in them and get them out so they can go home happy. Right? So, but when doing this for Netflix, this small room. It put my name on the map. So then somebody calls me and says, would you be willing to do the Kevin Hart roast? I said, of course. How long before the roast do you agree to it? Oh, it had to be maybe a week. So you would want to prep. No way. So everybody else has probably been prepping for at least a month. Yeah, I think, I think, I think about, I'm not sure. I don't know. Can somebody ask Kyle's out there? He'll, he'll know the exact time. I know. I had enough time to, as soon as they asked and I didn't know if I had it, I started looking for outfits online, Alice and Olivia, Alice plus Olivia is where the outfit came from. And then I went to Amazon is this shirt and I'm thinking, okay, what shoes can I walk in? And I caught my glam guy, Dale McDonald. And I said, listen, can you come, you come into town and put my face together for the ice house show. Can you stay over and do this? And he was like, yeah, I got you. So I pulled my team together. Uh, earn a full share is my comp, my conscious. She runs my foundation. Harry Sutherland, um, runs part of my foundation and he's the person that hooks me up with corporations cause he's an elected County commissioner. So I brought my team in and I said, we're going to network this, see what we can get out of it, but putting the set together and dealing with their writers. Cause did you have to run jokes with their writers too? So what, what, what we basically did was say, Hey, does anybody have these jokes? And I knew I was going up at the end, so I was basically like, just tell me if anybody has this and I'll just scrap it because I don't want to get to the end of the show. And then a lot of the stuff has been used. That's right. That's right. Unless you can make it better. If you can make it better, that's right. That that's the key. You got to make it better. Like with the Tony Hanchcliffe, George Floyd Joe, I don't think God sent me a good enough comeback, but because Pete. Davidson hit with the Charlie Kirk joke for the cookout coalition. I was like, Oh yeah, he, he got you right. He got you. But for me, um, I wanted to learn to work with other people's writers. And so we could see that they were writing for everybody and what was working, what wasn't working, but what was funny to me, they had the brunch. Oh, the one where, where you're like, uh, yeah, we fucked me and Kevin fucked. Yeah. Yeah. He's making all this noise, Kevin. Shut up. Before someone thinks I'm watching the movie. I'm taking what they look like. You weren't going to tell it. I wasn't. Cause I was like, move, go through the teleprompter. That was the beautiful moment. Like for the consumer, right? Yeah. It's like, this wasn't supposed to happen. And Kevin was like, nah, you got it. But I'm looking at the prompter. And so for me, um, I like, I like to be prepared so that you know where you can add lip. If you're not, if you're not prepared and you add lip, you could lose the whole, you know, you don't know what's going on. So in working with them and then Vanessa Graddick and Kyle Irby, uh, Ian Edwards, Chris Spencer, um, it was a lot of people. I was like, what you got? What you got? Yeah. Um, but the fact that I could talk to Nikki Glaser at the luncheon. Yeah. Okay. So they have the brunch. Everybody's there. Yeah. Get to hug and talk to your colleagues. And I said, Nikki, how they coming? They said they coming for you. I said, what are you coming to me? What the fuck is that? What am I? I'm the business owner. I said, just lost the daytime talk show. I need a job. I need to work. Why are they coming at me? And she said, they coming for you hard. And I met Tony at the brunch. Yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe walks up to me. He said, I'm Tony Hinchcliffe. I said, I know. And he's, I said, how are you coming? He said, I'm coming. Uh, your husband's suicide and you're being raped. No. Jesus. And I said, he said, well, what was he thinking? I said, you better be funny. I said, that's, I said, if it ain't funny. I said, I'm gonna get your ass. I swear. I said, I'm gonna get you. If it ain't funny. I said, it better be funny. He said, well, what about you? I said, my husband been dead, you know? And then that's when I thought, what are you going to say back to him when he says it? And I'm thinking, what do you say back to him then? And, and, but he, he's a great villain. Yes. I think he's the snidely whiplash of comedy right now. If we're looking at comedy as wrestling, yes, he is the perfect heel. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. But, but here's the thing about this generation of roasting. It's not like when it was private at the Friars Club and it was digs against people and we knew each other. We knew it wasn't personal. And then it's not like when Dean Martin and you got Milton Berle, who tells the best, who has the best dick jokes in the industry. Why? Cause he's got a big ass dick and he was blowing the backside in the forties, fifties is, Oh yeah. Milton Berle. Cause he's not attractive in the face. Yeah. You are blowing them bitches out. So for me, it's not the same thing, but they roast at a certain level. Right. But the fact that he came to me with respect and I said, okay, it better be good. I said, that's all. It just better be good. And so Shane Gillis calls me and I said, first people saying, well, Shane wants to talk to you. I said, give him my number. Let's talk. And I said, Shane, uh, I said, what's your name? I said, it's great Western. He said, that's what I'm named after. I said, good. I said, if you don't come hard and don't come correct. Shit. Ain't funny. I said, I'm a pop. You like doc holiday. Cause that's my favorite movie. I love Shane and tombstone. So we laughed and we joked, but then even running the jokes and having other comics go now and then running them through the prompter. Cause I want to get my cadence, right? I don't want to be reading something. I want to be feeling and giving life. But I kept asking God on that stage, give me the words, give me the words that the audience needs me to say. - In the moment? - Yeah. Because I had a piece of paper and an ink pen, and me and Tony are sitting next to each other, and we're laughing and talking. And I'm getting to know him. I'm getting to feel him. That he's not all the way this dude. He's the dude that talked about Puerto Rico. But if the Puerto Ricans ain't threw hands on you every time they see you, okay, what is it? Is it humor? People don't want to believe this, but Tony is a very sweet guy. He is very much so. People will not want to because people make up their minds without really understanding who somebody is. And that's why I went to Austin to do Kill Tony. I went there to do it because I'm not going to change you. I don't believe in changing someone. I believe in influencing them to be their better self and evolution. So you can be that right now because you're making a lot of money. You make a lot of money. That's why I said what I said. Midget and retard. Okay. What is the funny word? Little people or midget? Midget. Okay. Disable or retard? I mean, retard. Okay. There we go. Okay. But here's the thing. If you push the pendulum too far to politically correctness, then people are going to fight back with all of what you do. Right? Why are you pointing at us? Well, I think that's why I said I'm glad you white male comics are out there doing what you're doing because we were getting cast. You know, GLAAD has me on their website as a homophobe. No. Yes. For a joke that I told at Comic View. And I thought I was telling a civil rights joke. And they said I was on for. Oh, I would say one day because I'm writing a book called I'm fat because of you. Yeah. It's my life story. So I think we're going to put that story in there. Okay. But the punchline is Dick is like secret, secret deodorant. Dick is like secret deodorant is strong enough for a man, but it's made for a woman. And that's the punchline. That's what makes you a homophobe. It's all the stuff that I'm comparing it to to say of our struggle. And you're comparing it to this. And they said I was a homophobe, but I laid it out. I laid it out from the middle passage to everything. All right, guys. Listen, you know, you know what a power move is? Yeah. 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Yeah, but when we're looking at you guys say thing, then they say when it opens the door that it's a but Paul Mooney used to walk white people out of care. I used to watch Paul at Caroline's. That was one of the most unique comedy experiences because Paul would get these white women. It was also the women. He would get them in their feelings. But Paul, Paul would say wild shit. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, but he was hilarious and it was well written. He had a pen. That's right. But it was wild. Jackie Mason. Yeah. See, people don't understand. And I'm not giving cover to racism. What I'm saying is don't get mad. Get motivated. If you are mad about this, then be mad that farmers are now losing their farms in these red states. Be mad that 300,000 women lost a job. But they're not going to do that because there's no clicks or virtue signaling or white knighting based on that. There's no pats on the back based on that. Well, here's your problem, though. So you want to talk about a roast that we did with an expectation of us being superheroes. But you go to your job every day and Bob from accounting tells the worst jokes in the world. But you ain't did shit to Bob from accounting. No. You don't want us to stand up. If you and I were on the dais, we were supposed to slap Tony. Right. They wanted us to. Well, here's the problem. I need you to go to your job and slap the motherfucker that's telling us that. If that's what you want. If we're throwing hands, if that's what you're doing. We were talking about this on the pod. It was interesting thing because, like, I think I think a lot of the outrage maybe came from this was huge all over social. Yes. And when you look in. Looking at like your friends, pictures of their kids and vacations, and then all of a sudden this joke pops up on your screen that you didn't really elect to watch, it's just kind of thrown in your face and you're like, yo, what the fuck is going on when you're at home and you choose to click on the roast of Kevin Hart? That's right. Knowing it's going to be wild. Right. I don't know if people had that much of a reaction. There may be moments where they're like, oh, that joke was harsh or do these people really not like each other? Yeah, because I was even like, damn. What? But they didn't want us to know what people were saying. Which I think is better. Right. It's a reaction. Yeah. It's a reaction. But then people like criticizing us saying, well, you sat there and you laughed at it. Well, first, somebody had to clear that joke. So what I'm thinking is who cleared the joke? So if you cleared the joke, then that's the type of humor we going with, whether it was funny or not funny. But on the same token, it is a roast. That's the thing. People got people got to understand a rose is different than a stand the back. That's right. And Mark, you had a great way of describing this, where you were like, it's like seeing a street fight can be like brutally violent. Yeah. But then seeing a UFC fight where, you know, this is the point of what these guys are doing and they all signed up for it. It can still be brutally violent, but it's a little bit more digestible. Yes, it's digestible. It's contextualized. But at the same time, if you're scrolling at 8 a.m. and like you're having breakfast with your kid. Did you see this? And then you see a guy getting punched in the face 10 times. You're like, this is so violent. Why does anyone watch this? And it's being pushed on to you. Exactly. The algorithm. So what I said to everybody, I'm not going to get all these interviews right. And I'm going to come to my thoughts. Radio stations, everybody that's arguing DL and Big J going back and forward with each other. Yeah. I'm like, why? Well, but here's the thing, though. Listen, they given as good as they get. When they put up Big J, the meme of Big J as Roseanne. It was hilarious. It was hilarious. Right. Yeah. But then when they pulling up deals. Old stuff. I would never do this. That's right. That's right. OK, that's comics. That's comics. We're not perfect, especially if we're talking on a podcast or like a talk show for 10 years. We're going to say some wild shit. That's right. It is going to present ourselves as hypocritical. If we're white knighting about something, if we're trying to be critical. Yeah, because we evolve in that state. But you're doing radio time spent listening. So you're arguing about this. You're talking about this. Hey, we come back. Dr. Such and such is going to talk about his reasons why the roast was not. Okay, it's time spent listening. It's advertisement. People that didn't have Netflix now got Netflix. People that didn't see the roast now watch it. So something that had 13.8 now has 15. Oh, they told me the roast numbers for Kevin Hart were fantastic. Yes, it's big. But you know what? I thought the genius was you put what looked like an attack upon a black female comic up against the manosphere. So if you love Cheryl Underwood and you're watching them beat her down, right? Now you're like, Cheryl, do something, do something, and did something. That's right. If you say anything that sounds like, you will not make it out of Inglewood alive. I love it. This is the motherfucking forum built by the Showtime Lakers. You will respect us in this house. So for me, I felt that God sent me and I was produced to deliver for everybody that thought what was being said was inappropriate. So God sent you to call Shane a retard. Well, I believe it because I asked him. No, I asked him. Give me the words. Give me the words. Give me the words. It's a shame to be able to listen. I'm not talking about you, Kevin, as the midget, but I'm talking about you, Shane, as a retard. But also that January 6th joke. Oh, yeah. Now that was written, and I said, that's the one I want. Because I asked Nikki, I said, Nikki, give me some pointers. And it's two female comics talking to each other, right? Well, we're supposed to be mortal enemies. White woman, right? Black woman. We're supposed to be mortal enemies, right? Are you? No. Well, society would want us to be mortal enemies. Oh, really? Chelsea Hamler, she comes to me at the brunch, and she says, listen, I'm not coming for you. I said, listen, I got a couple on you, but they're not bad. You know? So we're talking, but that's camaraderie, right? So when Nikki says, tell them to give you the hardest stuff. So some of the stuff they said, I said, that don't even sound like me. No. I said, give me something. We want to make this a great roast. We want to do Kevin proud. Right. And for Kevin to say, Cheryl, I want you to do what you do. And then for my team to go, here's what you need. Here's where you are at your best. And then I'm feeling the audience. Because some of the jokes, the audience didn't like. Some of the jokes, they liked, but they didn't know why they liked it. And then also, Hollywood is jaded. California is jaded. So they're not laughing like if we was in Kentucky, and they're slapping them, and we're having a good time. But then I thought. Now, you got them moving. Yeah. Speak to the room. You got them moving. Speak to the room. Speak to the room. Oh, you're saying earlier in the roast, maybe they weren't really cooking. Because when you were up there, I thought they were standing up. It looked great. Well, I did not. And it's kind of an out-of-body experience, because I didn't realize what was happening. What I felt was, okay, Cheryl, nobody's getting up, because I'm listening. And nobody's saying, answer them. Answer them back. Let them know. You ain't saying nothing but a motherfucking word. Where the fuck you think you at? This is a roast to Kevin Hart. We still black up in this motherfucker. Right? So when you were watching it, what were you thinking? I think my biggest takeaway was that it felt like there was some animosity between some of the comics that went up. Yes. Like, that's why I think it felt a little bit different. Like, other roasts, it's like, oh, we all like each other, so there's more love here. But it seemed like there were some people that went up that actually didn't like each other. Yeah. So that's why some of the jokes was like, ooh. But to me, what I felt, and really, I did talk to God. I said, listen, I'm up here with my colleagues. Yeah. These are gentlemen that I'm trying to get to know. Yeah. That I need to understand, what is comedy right now? Yeah. This is what comedy is right now. Yeah. So, Cheryl, if you're in this game, you better figure out what it is right now. But then I thought, oh, wait a minute. Because I used to say, oh, fake, cracker, pecker. One of my first jokes that I wrote, what go good with chili? Crackers. Yeah. Now, as you mentioned, white people, let's talk about their motherfucking ass. Yeah. But why do you carry your purse on stage? Because white folks steal. Yeah. Any race of people take land from the Indians or show enough, take two or three dollars. Out your purse. Yeah. So, those are jokes I'm telling because I'm trying to express the history of this country. Right. But then, if you get to do comedy long enough, you evolve into something else. Shane will evolve. Tony will evolve. But if we work together, just think of the type of movies we can make. We could recreate Smokey and the Bandit. I told Shane, I said, we need to redo Smokey and the Bandit. And I'll be Jerry Reed. You know, redo Cannonball Run. Let's get together. All of us as comics should be working on content together so we can keep American humor alive and we can pay our bills and our mortgages and do things for our foundations. Because do you have a foundation? I have a foundation I work with. Not my personal one. It's not my personal one. But wouldn't it be great if we all got together and it wasn't just Netflix roasting somebody. How about we roast? To benefit something. We're good enough that we can roast to benefit something. We can still hit somebody. Not as hardcore. Because Netflix, I think, that's why I said, free speech is alive and well. And I thank you, Netflix. Why? Because I think people push too far into political correctness. The pronouns and stuff. So people got mad because I got to call you a pronoun. You know, like I do transgender. I'm supposed to be transphobic. I'm supposed to be homophobic. And I do all of this in my show where I talk about these things that I'm supposed to be. But you won't get to know me and understand I'm not against you. Just because I'm pro-me don't mean I'm against you. But some of these things, I just can't. Why are we agreeing with? Why can't we talk about it? And that's how I looked at me participating in this roast. And then I found that I really wanted to get to know everybody. Draymond Green, scared to death. He was scared of you. No, he was scared to do the roast. So we're in the green room. Yeah, it's terrifying. Imagine someone who's never done comedy before doing it on the biggest stage in front of the most people. You know what I told him? What? I said, listen, you play basketball? Yeah. I said, I don't. You're coming into what I do. So you don't have to be me. Get through it. Yeah. The expectation is definitely lower. I said, take a deep breath. I had him call Chris Spencer. And I said, you talked to Chris. I said, but even if you get a chuckle, that's your standing o. Yeah. Even if you get a, you a trip, Draymond. Yeah. That's a standing o for you. Yeah. You're not going to get what they're going to get. Because we've been doing this. We know how to course correct quickly. That joke didn't work. Let's go to something else. Yeah. We know how to feed off the crowd. This is what we do. Yeah. If I was playing basketball, that ain't what I'd do. Yeah. If I hit the rim, I'd be happy. Yeah. If I can just dribble a little bit, you know, but to talk to them, to talk to Lizzo and say, girl, don't worry. Take a deep breath. She was another one that did fantastic off of energy. Yes. She seemed like she was enjoying the moment. Yes. And again, it's. It's a very difficult thing to communicate to somebody who's nervous to be like, hey, if you just don't be nervous and have fun, it will be great. Relax. Because it's the hardest thing to do is when you're nervous, just, oh, okay, well, I guess I'll just turn that off and have fun. But the people that can kind of embrace that. I felt bad for Draymond because he kept getting booed by all the Lakers fans. Oh, yeah. Actually, you're doing this for the first time and you're getting booed? Yes. But now he, once you get through it, it's over. I think Naeem did a wonderful job. Oh, yeah. And I really would have wanted. I wanted Tiffany, while I was getting beat up, to come down and go, hold on, bitch, let me let me help you with some of this shit. And we show what black female comics can do when we're in it. I thought Regina Hall represented a side of the audience that was like, what the fuck is happening? What the fuck y'all talking about? She represented the viewer. Yeah. And to me, I thought Chelsea Handler had the types of material, the type of material. I was like, God damn. That joke we talk about them being pussies. And the only reason they go into Saudi Arabia is to go get the money. I thought, hell yeah. Yeah, exactly. Let's go again this year. Yeah. But I don't know. You know, my feeling is I don't know. Like people say with Cheryl, why don't you do international shows? Yeah. I don't know if it translates. Yes, it does. Really? Not only would you translate, but like you got to understand a lot of people learn English through comedy. So the biggest thing that the industry missed is they thought that comedy didn't translate overseas. Okay. So they wouldn't like spend big money on like a Hollywood comedy movies because they're like, there's no international audience. And when they stopped selling DVDs, the way that they made up for that, you know, money disparity is international box office. Yeah. So then they started making all these like big action movies because they're like, listen, if they're not really talking, but there's action, they'll watch it overseas. What they didn't realize is that when you go overseas and meet people who speak English, a lot of times they learned English from watching. They learned English from watching Family Guy. Really? They learned English from watching The Simpsons. They learned English from watching Friends. I mean, the Wayans Brothers. Yes. Literally. Friends was a big one. Friends or like the Ray Romano show. What was it? Everybody was. Everybody was. Everybody was. It's like, and it's, it's, it's amazing. And also now with YouTube and so much comedy on YouTube and social media, since they don't have a comedy channel in their country, they'll watch a lot of their standup on YouTube. Really? So I was able to tour internationally for a long time. Mostly just by putting stuff out on YouTube. And now with this success, I mean, I'm sure you'll be able to do it. And they know English. Yeah. That's the other thing. It's like, if you're coming from a small country, you don't have your own like film studio that makes all your movies just for you, but you still need to watch TV. So what TV do you watch? You watch American. You're right. Well, I am. But I'm watching all the same. Dude, when I was in, when I was in the Middle East, because we've done Abu Dhabi, Dubai, we did the Riyadh Festival. And like. How was it? It was awesome. Really? It was awesome. did how dirty could you go as dirty as you want girls can do that yeah there was gay girls on it really yeah they killed him no no no that's not true that's not that's not that is not true they killed him they had a falcon just peck at him well that's why i'm doing an animated uh vehicle and it's for nothing but comedians and it's how we talk at the roast how we talk we're just talking to each other and and i'm hoping that netflix will be interested in that oh what i was just what i was saying about that was that like a lot of them are getting a lot first of all a lot of them are like just getting educated in america and they're more aware of american isms and culture than europeans really yeah these europeans like a lot of them have like built up they have their own tv shows they have their own everything so it's like yeah maybe they'll watch a big blockbuster american movie but not as much right but if you're from like a small country in the middle east the only thing you're watching is foreign shit really yeah they don't have 40 sitcoms that are all made there there's just not enough people for it so they're more aware of our like slang they're more aware of our cultural shit yeah then maybe if you went to france or if you went to belgium so you would crush over there well i will tell you it's uh i knew something was different than walking through the airport oh you felt it yeah i'm gonna stare at that or it's not just the flight attendants it's like really young dudes are gazing at me i'm like what's happening do you know me or what's happening and it's all these people that are i don't know it's um it's a word for it the what is it involuntary celibacy oh incels yeah yeah incels involuntary celibates yeah the incels yeah they're horny remember when we were in japan remember how horny those guys were yeah oh my god those guys are hornier yes oh wait i wrote this when i wrote the train in japan when i was in the military and i was trying you know it's trying they do some wild shit on the train in japan yeah and this dude just walked up and started rubbing my skin and i was like what the fuck is who's where's the police what the fuck is happening yeah and the translator said we nuked them and they're different now you've never seen it they've never seen it they've never seen anybody alive with this color skin wow so they fascinated by it yeah but it was stimulating and i was like well get me off the train but to me uh and a lot of people that was all you sold out they offered you a special and you just took it to let them crucify the black community like that that's not what happened what happened was you can't respond to all the like there's always going to be some there someone out there i felt i need to eat off these jokes i didn't want i don't like to record material i want to be henny youngman take my wife please until i die i want it because i believe you can write jokes every day but you can only polish them on stage yes that's true so do you have jokes in your set that are years old no not years yeah see i got stuff that's decades old that people you bring you put out specials already um i did laughapalooza with jamie fox uh and mark for jamie fox and marcus king but i wanted to put the september 11th of material on film um because i was proud of our country but i was getting booed when i came out as i'm a republican yeah and i'm a i like a bush uh baby bush republican i was like get they asked us and the jokes if you go back and look at the laugh you're saying a woman that grew up in a military family that ended up going into the air force herself yeah but what a crazy idea well but you know we were republicans before we were democrats you know and it's if you if you if it wasn't trump saying things yes we would be into a lot of this right you're right but but trump and what's happening now so you voted for this motherfucker and now he done fuck shit up yeah but but i'm giving both sides yeah and then you got the clintons on the other side which allows you to tell the greatest house that's right and the greatest dick jokes in the world yeah right so to me that's the set but then when netflix made me an offer i couldn't refuse because i kept saying no i know i gotta live off of this this is how i eat i don't have a tv show anymore and i have responsibility but i also have people who depend on me you can work in new stuff we saw you put together new stuff on stage you can't polish it on stage how'd you do it over all these years but with the roast see not the roast i'm saying your act over years this is decades i add to if something happens on and i go oh what i want to talk about and then but then i lose some things you know i got great open winfrey jokes but then i lose it and then do i get to talk about the homosexuality stuff and then i'm trying to figure out do i want to bring those jokes back to go this is how i got canceled i got canceled from telling this joke i kind of want to construct a special special like that because i want people to get to know me but i also want people to understand this is what i think is funny and this is what i want to say when you were booing me because i said uh i like president bush yeah i want him to get their motherfucking asses right but you're booing me for this but you you you cash the checks that he sent you hate this motherfucker but you cash the checks now trump is a totally different entity yeah he should have stayed his ass at home he stopped fucking with the knicks we'd be on three oh that's that's right that's right that's that you're fucking right but you you selfish ass motherfucker you came out here you fucked up traffic you did all this bullshit you should have stayed your ass in the white house did you go last night no i i was in the vicinity yeah but the police told me stop wandering your little hoish ass around looking for sad next friends to have sex with you all right guys take a break for a second 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Remember that movie where, oh girl, there's out there fucking dudes and the dude stabs her at the end of the movie. No spoiler alert. It's an old movie. But I'm never alone, so the person who knows, people have witnessed me be infatuated by somebody. I don't want to give the book away. More football players than basketball players. But this basketball player, let's say it's a fake name. Maybe he was known as Dr. K. No. No. If I could have, I would have. If I could have. There were a couple of people that I was going to get. You were lying? Yeah, man. There was a couple of people I was like, hey, so what are you doing after this? Or they'll say, I don't even like that shirt, dark-skinned girl. You don't like me now. But you will like me later. I know how to keep a secret. And I got one good skill. One. One good skill that I know. And that's what I talk about in the show. I talk about it in the show. What I can do and what I can't do. But those jokes, I try not to record them all the time. Because you want to hold them for a big moment. No. I really like for people to have fun in it. Because I like sexual material. I like profane material. I like racial material. Spiritual material. I talk about abortion. I talk about transgender. Matter of fact, when Shane and I were talking, we almost have the same set structure. Topic list. That's right. And so I was like, oh, because I'm going in the right direction. Either you're going to be offended or you're going to laugh real hard. Sometimes people yell out, okay, we're here to hear comedy. And I tell them, if there's a white man yelling, hold on, sir, I'm going to get to some material that you're really going to appreciate. It's ten minutes. That's right. Let me get through this political stuff. This political stuff is for them. And for us. But that's what I like about comedy. Be able to do topics and. Can I ask you a Chicago war question? Bernie. Bernie is transformative for me in my comedy life. Well, I saw him. I remember watching Kings of Comedy in a movie theater on 11th Street and 3rd Avenue with four of my friends. And it was the hardest I've ever laughed watching something. Eddie was the hardest I ever laughed listening. I listened to an audio cassette with my dad. Eddie Murphy. Yeah, Delirious. And I listened to it with my dad. I think that moment right there made me become a comedian many years later. Yes. But Bernie, it was. I was watching somebody that like. I just never had seen someone be so naturally funny that I didn't even know if it was jokes. I didn't know if it was a set. I didn't know if it was. Somebody that was truly listening to the crowd. The crowd was like an instrument for him. So it was material, but also I know how to play off of your energy. And the words at that time, to talk about the little boy. Yes. And he used the F with the two G's. The little one. That's right. He kind of muffled it when he said it. Him downstairs. To milk and cook. Yes, that's right. But most people don't know. But did you see him in Chicago? Bernie was a mentor to all of us that were coming up. So you were watching him when he had his. Because he had a room, right? Yes. That he would host weekly. That we would go do the room. And he would do the Cotton Club. And we would go do the Cotton Club. But we knew Bernie from the neighborhood. He was called Blue. Oh, so you knew him growing up? Yeah. He was Blue. Because he was so black, he was Blue. That's what we would call him. Hey, what's up, Blue? And he would come to my neighborhood because I think he was friends with the Cobb family across the street in my old neighborhood in Chicago. So when we were coming up as comics, matter of fact, it was Bernie that was telling us, dress up. Come on time. You know, he was a mentor to us as comics. And when they did the 25th anniversary of Deaf Comedy Jam. I ain't afraid of you motherfuckers. And Chris Rock said the two people he didn't want to follow was. Oh, no. Sheryl Underwood and Bernie Mac. Oh, wow. Really? It was Chris Rock said he didn't want to follow either one of us. But Bernie, a big brother to us. And then when they did Kings. When you would watch him at that room, what was the name of the room that he would do weekly in Chicago? It was two of them. It was the Roberts Center, the 600 room, I think. And then he did the Cotton Club. He's hosting it, right? Yes. Is he every night just doing different stuff? Is he riffing every night? So it was purely. He was like a magician in a way. In his purest form, he's a comedian. He could just hold attention. Absolutely. And for Bernie, if you're talking about the comedians that you look up to and study, because I tell young comics, what can you tell me that I need to learn about comedy? I said, find your favorite comic and study mechanics. Don't take jokes. Yeah, yeah. But learn how they tell jokes. Learn how to hold attention. That's right. Cadence. That's why the social media comic is good. Yeah. But if you don't have a point of view and a set structure, what happens when those sketches are not hitting? Yeah. Right? Or your crowd. It's different on stage. It's just a different. It's a different. You gotta learn it. So Bernie Mac was one. And I would say, for me, when I was coming up in comedy, when they. Mitch Hepburn. Yeah, Mitch was fantastic. So I was in love with Mitch. I was like, if we would just marry each other, we'd be a power couple. So you just loved him as a. Did you look. Because Mitch was operating on two frequencies. He was like. You weren't sure if he was playing a character or this was truly him. Yes. But you weren't looking at somebody who was being like the quintessential straight man. Yes. He was different. And he was on his own rhythm. And then he would have these jokes that seemed like they could come through a personality like he had. Yes. But he's operating on two. Like, you could laugh at him without telling the jokes. Absolutely. And Bernie had that, too. Bernie had it, too. Bill Hicks. Hicks. Oh, Bill Hicks. Hicks was, like, structure, but he was strong point of view. Yeah, but he was so intellectually sound. You know, because I'm old school. I'm watching comics. People said, well, did you realize you were a black female comic? No, I really believe that I'm an old Jewish comic from somewhere. This is so. Because when I came up. All I was watching was Def Comedy Jam. That was my only real introduction to comedy. Really? I didn't really. I never saw Seinfeld do stand-up. Like, I knew he had a TV show. Yeah. So, but that's all that was on TV for me. Yeah, see, I'm talking about old school. Lenny Bruce. You know, I'm talking about that old school stuff. This is much older. Richard Pryor. I was in a room where Richard Pryor was in the room. And I just felt this energy pulling me. And I felt like, don't do it. Have you ever been in a room with. Say hi? No. I just stood behind him. I stood behind him and just digested. You were ready? No. Same thing with Michael Jackson. When they were doing those rallies for Michael Jackson to protect him. And I was in one of those events, right? And sometimes you don't want to walk up to the person because you don't want to break that energy that's pulling you toward them. I know. I know. Well. After the BET Comedy Awards, the first one, Eddie Murphy was in the room. And I ran up to him but I stopped myself. He was wearing this cold-blooded vanilla outfit. Vanilla sweater had to be cashmere. Vanilla slacks. Everything matched, right? And I almost reached out to touch him and I pulled back. I said, Mr. Murphy. And he said, I know exactly who you are. I sure loved it. I was like. Wow. Right. You know, so when you. For me, I never want to intrude on someone's energy. I get it. I would rather. Even when I was going to the Republican Conventions and going to the DNC, icons in politics, you know, Bill Clinton, very sexual power. You felt it. Hell yeah. I used to tell the story about. I put my hand out, drawers just fell down. I was like, what the fuck is happening? I should have wore slacks. Because it's some people just have this energy and this pull to you. And I think people need to respect, you know, I know people want to run up and take selfies and do something. Sometimes respect the energy. Respect the energy. Especially if you really respect the person. Absolutely. And it's not like we don't want to. How many people walk up to you and want to take a picture? And they don't care what you're doing. A bunch. I'll be honest, like as long as. In my. In my experience, people have been very respectful. If I'm with my kids or whatever, like, they're almost like embarrassed to ask. They're like, I know you're with your family. Would it be possible? And if you approach that energy, I'm so. That's how I feel. Because you're basically going, I know that you're having a moment with your family, but if it's possible and every single time, if I can, I will. When I first did Deaf Comedy Jam and I told my dad, I said, people are walking up to me, they want to talk to me. And he said, well, how many black people do you know will be able to talk to someone they saw on TV? I mean, heard on the radio, saw in a movie. Great perspective. Respect that. But he also said, no matter who the person is, talk to everybody like you're talking to Jesus and you can't go wrong. Secondarily, your job is no better and no worse, but respect what other people do for a living and respect their time. So for me, and I'm a female comic who's very male directed. I'm very patriarchal. That's why my sets were constricted. When I first started doing comedy, women were popping out of my show like the Great Pumpkin. I'm not sucking no man dick. I'm not. And I'm like, but that's why you're sitting by yourself. Or that's why you mad that your man is talking to me because I'm not pretty. Lies. Lies. I'm not the stereotypical aesthetic attractiveness. I'm more intellectual. I'm more energy driven. I'm more like I can talk sports and politics and current events, but I'm also. You're wavy. But I know, okay, now this Let's ask the question then, let's ask the question. Then if I am that, then why can't I find him? You got to let them get out their system. What do you mean? Yeah, like when you're young, when guys are young, they want to wear the cape. You know what I mean? They want to fly around a little bit and have some fun. But like eventually you don't want like some 23-year-old sitting next to you on vacation, you know, scrolling her fucking phone the whole time. You're like, I'd rather shoot myself in the head. I want something that I can enjoy and have fun with and loves to do that thing you love to do. Well, but here's the catch. I think that some men, absolutely, and I would like, okay, depends on how long you want this to be. If you want it one night, you can have it all one night, but I'll never talk to you again. Ooh. What is it? We didn't build nothing. What is this? You want to hit it and quit it? I'll show you what hit and quit it is. And they usually look all pitiful. You know, that's why I sneak out of rooms. They look insane. I thought we were going to know. You see. I see why the guy in Japan was having a hard time. Right. But you see. You said, you said, you said, you said, you just want this. Okay, I'm going to give you what you said you wanted. Most guys are not used to a woman being as, like, up front with what she wants as you are. Well, it's rarely what I want. I will trade a man. Yeah, yeah. I will trade you. For me to get intimacy in my past, I would trade you an action for intimacy. And now you're not going to do that anymore. I try not to. Niche tickets. $150 niche tickets. I got to do something. You know, exchange ain't no robbery. Hardwood for hardwood. Right. And I'm not doing it for the tickets. I'm doing it to show my appreciation that you would consider me worthy of these tickets on the floor. Yeah. Where I get to slap Spike Lee and go, man, look at this. But I would. I would like a man to understand, while stand-up comedy is very strong. Yeah. It's a very sexual thing to do when a woman is doing it. I want to be your companion. I want to be your wife. I want to pick up the dry clean. I want to cook when I come home. That's a tricky combo for you because you need a guy who is not intimidated by your strength and your leadership and your intelligence and, like, the straight talk that you do. Yeah. But at the same time is. Is confident enough to lead you in certain times. And are you confident to let them lead is the question. Absolutely. If you come to me as a man. Yeah. Maybe a traditional man. But if you come to me as a man. You're going to let it happen. Then I'm like, oh, this dude is thorough. He got it. Okay. You ready. It doesn't matter race. It doesn't matter age. It doesn't matter station in life. However long I got on this earth, I want to find somebody I can build with that understands this is my job. This is I'm going to do my job. I'm not sleeping with everybody on the road. I'm not doing all this stuff. Matter of fact, I can't wait to come home to you. And most people don't understand when you do stand up comedy, you're quiet when you want to talk to me. I know I'm talking and all this adrenaline is running through my body after the show. So I want to call somebody. And how was the show? But it was good. Do you miss me? Of course, I miss you, bitch. When your flight land. And that's. Yeah, I'm looking for that guy to. He understands you have a job. So do I. Yeah. What has been the nature of your relationship history lately? Have you been dating? Well, I guess you got to go outside to date. And I'm kind of a homebody, kind of reclusive. But if somebody would ask me out most for the past few decades, most men just kind of stare at me or gaze at me. And I think they think I have somebody. So they don't they don't ask me. They don't they don't talk. They don't go. So I have to show. Would you like to go out for coffee? They're probably intimidated. You sound like an incel. But I think, see, I've heard that from women. They're just intimidated by your success and your power and your education. I don't know a real man who's intimidated. Not a lot of real guys. Well, that's right. A real man looks at me as an asset. Yeah, right. If you're quiet as a man, but you're still strong. That's expensive, though, Cheryl. That's what makes them assets. What do you mean? Assets are expensive. You buy an asset. A home is an asset. Yeah. But what if we build up? You ever seen a man buy a home? You know how intimidating that is? What? It's fun. It ain't fun. When you go and get a loan from the bank and they tell you how much. Oh, God, it's so much. Got to pass inspection. That is intimidating. No, see. Get in a hotel room for a night. That's easy. But see, to me, I go into it as, OK, what do I need to have this? What do I need to have this? OK, check it out. Check it out. Then I send in my lawyer and I send in my accountant and I go, OK, don't come back without it. And then let's go. And I do my job. But see, to me, that's the kind of guy. But then he's more traditional. Well, that's what you end up with then. Yeah. Somebody is more traditional. Somebody that understands. I want somebody that I can talk to about things and go, did you hear this? Did you hear that? And then somebody that understands. I don't know everything. I may project leadership, but I want you to teach me something. Change the tire. Let's talk about cryptocurrency, which I don't understand. Yeah. Nobody does. See, I think it's speculation. It is all speculation. If you can get your money in there. You know, but see, to me, this is what I wish people would understand about comics. Yeah. We have to know a lot about everything. Yeah. And then we have to keep working. And then we have to find other revenue streams making content. So that's why, you know, I'm doing a great American talent search because I want to bring back the variety show type structure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All over America. That's going to be my next tour. Oh, wow. After we do this, because I think there's a way to merge my daytime persona with the person they saw on the roast. Oh, interesting. Right. And do it all over the country and then turn it to maybe a TV show vehicle. But anything is talent. But if you sing or if you are in a singing group, you have to master the past. Classic rock, classic country, classic soul, classic hip hop, classic Latin. So you have to do some old school stuff. Because nostalgia. Nostalgia works. Of course. But if you're a young person doing it or if you're the white fire department somewhere doing new addition. Yeah. See, that's going to bring America together. Yeah. And they got gospel plays that, you know, we're putting on college campuses, you know, PWIs, HBCUs, community college. Because I think people need to learn both sides of the entertainment business. You think you want to be a performer, but maybe you're not the performer. Maybe you're a director. Maybe you're a writer. That's right. Maybe you're audio. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So and then I want to try to do something that brings jobs. I want to bring jobs back to California because we just want to drive to work and come home and sleep in our own beds. There's a lot. There's a lot that needs to change for that to happen. You're talking about entertainment jobs. Yes. How so? I think the easiest way of looking at it is to just say, oh, the unions are doing this or the city is making that. I think that probably the more nuanced way to look at it is that for a long time, making a movie in a place like California was. Not only the easiest, but also the best. Like you had the most talented crews there. And when I say the crews, I mean like the lighting guys, the audio guys, whatever. Yes. And then as equipment got less expensive and as people got trained in other parts of the world, they could start to be competitive. Like you saw what Tyler did in Atlanta. Yes, in Atlanta. Right. And like that's working within politics, like getting these tax rebates and other things. And like there are other places in America that did it and there's other places internationally. Like we just did this movie Street Fighter. Remember the video game? So we shot that in Australia and I think it's like 60% off to shoot it out there. But why can't, first the right political leadership, the right financial structure. So I think what has to happen is like there's got to be like an incentive structure. And like I think the easiest version of it is to just be just like point fingers and blame. Yeah. But there's another part where you just go, okay, like California has been incredibly successful and prolific and making like film and TV for a while. Now other places can make high level film and TV. So maybe California goes, okay, in order for us to stay competitive, you have to change something. That's right. It's going to have to be a paradigm shift. That's the free market economy. Like that's kind of how it works. But if you bring a budget to, if I want to make a movie and you bring a budget and California says, okay, you do that here. And we're going to help you pay to do that here. I think people have to understand there's so much, the people that I worked with on the talk. The greatest people in the world. So when I got to the roast and I saw the same people I worked with at the talk, I felt safe. You're like, oh, wow, these people are. Yes. That's my cameraman. That's my, that's my teleprompter person. That's what you, that's what I mean. Like trust. We're going, like I'm going to film a movie out in California this summer. Okay. And like, I would imagine it's one of like a handful of bigger budget movies that, that are going to be filmed there, which is good. Yes. Because there's. There's nothing about this movie where you need to film it there. Yes. It was decision made where they're like, we're going to make this here. But did you have to do reasonably priced other places to get to the money, the finance money? I, I would imagine there was like good financing behind the movie. And can I tell you something, honestly, not because I apologize, but okay. So while I was working at the top and I have people that like, I'll write the three to five. pages and then I'll hand it off to somebody and go, just give me a script. It doesn't have to be perfect. Why? Because the first draft is not the last draft. So I have all these scripts. If you go to an agency, they tell you why it's not good. Okay. But I just watched some stuff. This is horrible. So how did that get financed? Good doesn't always mean it gets made. Right. So I think what happens, without going too inside baseball, I think what happens is there are different networks that have objectives. So they go, hey, we're going to make a show for young adult males. Yes. So you might have the best idea in the world. That's what my animated vehicle is. It's for young adult males. So then your agent's got to find a streamer that is looking for something for young adult males. But if you're a streamer that's like, we're looking for 24 to 40 women and you present them that, they might think it's amazing and they might go, it's just not what we're looking for. Right. And they might choose a shittier project that actually fits their demo. Right. But for me, now for people that say, you sold out by agreeing to do a Netflix special. Why is that selling? What's the argument for that? Because there are people who believe that we just sat there and took the beat down of our culture for money from Netflix. But what I want people to understand is this is the business we're in. I was called to do a job. I believe I did the job while I also defended the culture and defended American humor. Couldn't you also say, like, just being. Up there as representative of the culture. Like, the culture isn't one thing, I would imagine. It's just like saying, like, Latinos, their culture is just salsa. It's like, it's not just that. Right. And, like, you being on that stage and having that prolific set and being the talk of the industry. Yes. You could make an argument that that's a huge contribution from the culture. That's what I would want people to see and to see. Well, that's what will stick. Like, the controversy lasts for a few weeks. That's right. And then it goes away. So it's like, you're lost. The cultural longevity after this moment is the culture's longevity. It's opportunities. Opportunities. I wouldn't have these opportunities now. You don't think these other streamers are seeing what you do, what you did right there, and they see that you get a deal. And then, let's say, your Netflix special goes crazy. This is a, like, the industry is a game to be second, not first. That's right. So you don't think that they're having their board meetings going like, who's the next Cheryl? What if we could get another Cheryl? Yes. That's how it works. That's the game. It's like, it's like, it's like. Um, do you want Cheryl? I can't get her. We can't afford Cheryl. We can't afford. Right. Who is, who is next? Or they'll say, get me a. And then they'll say, then you get to a point. But you could create a lane. So that's. And that is the goal. And the goal is for me. And that's what I think sometimes maybe is lost with, like, what Kevin's contribution has been. That's right. Like, Kevin's contribution to entertainment. And I think a lot of times maybe we're used to it because a lot of us grow up seeing black people in, like, these amazingly high positions in entertainment in terms of, like, the comedians that we look up to or the actors, et cetera. But, like, that also needs to be maintained. Yes. So, like, Kevin being acting and doing stand-up, but also, like, doing all these advertisements. Like, think about what that, like, this is, again, we kind of get used to shit. He's showing that we can do that. Being an investor, a business owner. A business owner, but also, like, T-Mobile being like, I want the face of my company to be that black guy. Do you think 40 years ago? No. Do you know what I mean? No. Do you think these companies 40 years ago were a black, they're having a board meeting and they were like, can we make a black person the face of our network? Even now. It's a J.P. Morgan. Yes. Even now. But even now. But that's the thing that kind of gets lost. Not saying that we can't make things better. We should always try to make things better. But maybe there's a little focus where we look at, like, the success. And I would hope that would also be celebrated in this moment. That's why I said you're not just. Great comment. You're a hell of a businessman, because that's what they did. Something that makes something and continues to grow. When we had a black comedy explosion happen, did people think that one day there was not going to be a WB where there was not going to be a UPN? This is downstream from it. And I don't know. Maybe that's why I get caught up. And I'm like, I understand that, like, the reflexive nature, like, you just react in the minutes in the moment to something. But when things explode. Yeah. So many other people. Like, you're given opportunities. That's right. And make so much. That's right. And it's, you know, to me, like, I'm so grateful for, like, the people that, you know, really kind of put me on. So Charlamagne Tha God. Yes. And then Rogan. It's like, they both. Charlamagne is where my book is being done. Of course. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. And so for me. But here's the catch, though. We're trying to get somewhere. And then it's Cheryl before the roast. And then Cheryl after the roast, where now people are taking my call. Or now the agents want to, OK, go out. This, this, this. Look at all those opportunities. So it's like. That now. That's, that's what these things can create. And prepared content. But now what we need, and I, I wish this for, I'm going to say specifically female comics. It's not just you getting on. Or it's not just you doing a movie. OK, now we're going to produce. Now we're going to make content. We're going to make animated stuff. Not just for us. We're going to make it for the marketplace. Right. So we should be making sitcoms and movies. And then we should say, OK, you only going to. Give me two hundred fifty thousand. I'm going to make the movie for two hundred fifty thousand. It's a show. She has like a micro drama, I think, or something like that. Have you heard about this array? Yeah. And it's getting like hundreds of millions of it. Like and again, it's a different metric that they're trying to understand because it's like short form on your phone, whatever. But I'm saying like this is the thing. Have you seen it? It's on your phone. And it's always abroad that she meets up with the millionaire that wants to hide his identity. And then somebody slaps her and he's on the phone going by stock. And. Put that bitch out of that. Slap my girl. But I thought you were to show fire. And then it's it goes for a minute or two. And then you buy the other minute or two. And I'm addicted to this. And again, this is like big explosions create tons of opportunity for other people. And I get the reaction. I get and people have to feel whatever they want to feel. It's America. You are here in this country. You can feel whatever the fuck you want to feel and say whatever you want to say. But that's a beautiful thing about it. But there is also on top. There's also potentially when these moments are really successful, so many opportunities for other people that are aligned with these moments without even realizing it. And that is the cool payoff that I think happens over the next few years. And then we forget about the controversy. And then we just end up seeing. That's right. When we were growing up, it was like you're watching the Wayans Brothers and you don't even realize how that might be downstream. That's right. Something happened 10 years before. That's right. And how can we help each other? Well, that's galvanized. You know, this is the moment. This is the moment. That's why I'm coming around to talk to people that I would never have been able to talk to and say, oh, let's make this type of thing. Or how do I structure this? Or who would I come to finance it? That's my biggest problem with people that want to live in their own little silo. So if you don't step out of that silo, you will never understand why Netflix is now interested in Sherlock. Yeah. You could have fought the other comedians at the roast. Yeah. Or you can go on their shows, go on their podcasts, collaborate. Get them on projects. And to get to know them better. Because these are my colleagues. You can't have the most small opportunities for people that you really love that might not be afforded those opportunities. Absolutely. Now you're in a position to shine some light on people. That's my job to open the door. That's why it's the leadership. Am I right? That's what I'm talking about. Cheryl Underwood, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. You were awesome, though. This was fun. I'm glad you did. So let's figure out how we're going to make some money. I think we need to do that. Yeah, we need to make some money. We need to make some money.