Sheryl Crow | Club Random Classics with Bill Maher

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And exactly why this was such a good episode and a conversation. And if you haven't already subscribed to Club Random, wherever you get your podcasts, do so and watch full episodes on YouTube. New episodes every Monday with Club Random Classics every third Thursday. So nice. I didn't expect a suit. For you. Well, it's not a suit. I know, but you know. But I did that for you. I'm very impressed. I wore my rock tee for you. Also, full disclosure, because it's kind of cold in here. So I'm like, oh, I can, but no. Are you kidding? You're the coolest booking we ever had. Don't ever say that to the other guests. Although, you know what? Every other guest I've ever had, and we've had some of the coolest people ever here. You've had cool people in here. They would still agree with that. No one would say, no, that's not the coolest booking we've ever had. booking we ever had. No one would say, no, that's not the coolest booking. Really. I don't know. Well, I'm such a fan. I'm excited to hear that you're getting ready to have Kid Rock at the Ryman. You see, I compare my dog to Kid Rock because he barks at nothing. That is hilarious. My dog has one eye. That is my dog. Are these their beds over here? No, that's because this is a hippie enclave. Do you remember this show, Politically Incorrect? Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. I was thinking, because I watched your documentary. You didn't want to kill yourself afterwards? Why? No. It brought me to tears, the ending. It was like 20 minutes to the end, like, then we meet your kids. I'm not a kid person, so I was like, oh. You're like, wah, wah. Not the kids. But it was okay. You did it well. And then moved on. And the ending at, was it Bonaro? Oh, Bonnaroo. Bonnaroo. I mean, what a great ending for a documentary, which is, I did one. You know, you're always looking for an ending. And, you know, you think, you get out there, and there's nobody there a half hour before the show. And you're like, oh, I'm a legacy act now, you know? And the kids are over me. And then it's this, in a half hour, the sea of people, and you said you were looking at your band like, can you guys believe? I know, literally. It's like, they let us out of the old folks' home, and look, they've let all the kids come out into the parking lot. Yeah, but, you know, I can't believe you ever thought you were ever out of style. It's weird. I mean, you know, you've been around for a long time. I don't know if you feel this way, but no, listen. And I've said this a thousand times. My 13-year-old, when he was nine, he's like, Mom, you know you were born in the 1870s. You do get to the point where you feel like, God, I'm aging out of this business, you know? Well, you certainly— I did wear my leather pants, specifically, for Club Random. You look great. You always did. You know, you're a rock chick, so, you know, I mean, you were born to be one. Oh, my God. Thank you. Really, don't you think? I mean, not just the great music, but also you had the look, and you also had the—what it takes to, like, you know, I'm sure— I mean, I saw in the documentary the harassment, which is not surprising. Like, I've had girlfriends in this business. One of them said to me, and she's quite successful. She said, I've never met a man in this industry who didn't try to have sex with me. Well, yeah. That—yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's—I don't know. Do you want names, or do you— No, no, but doesn't that just sum it up? It is. It is. It's like a given. I mean, it's a weird business, you know? I was not—I will say, and I was older when I made it, like, really made it. I had already been a schoolteacher. Right. I had lots of jobs. Had I been young like they are now, there's no way. If what? If I'd been young. Like these kids are now that are coming up and becoming huge, like Olivia Rodrigo, who's, like, 20 or 19, and Taylor, who made it when she— And Billie Eilish. Billie—there's just no way. I would not be able to deal with it. Well, and you see that they sometimes fumble their way through it. I mean, they actually do better than you might expect, except that those kids, that generation, they're so used to—I mean, everyone is sort of famous now. They're so used to, you know, I mean, if anybody was ever prescient, it was anybody. Andy Warhol with Everyone's Gonna Be Famous for 15 Minutes. Yeah. So I don't think it's that big dive and splash into the pool that it would be for people in our generation, because they kind of, like, were always, like, social media, and it just got bigger. Yeah. Yeah. And also, you as the artist manipulate it. Like, you create your brand. You advertise yourself. You sell yourself. And then the music is just a byproduct of that, and you're selling yourself so that you can sell yourself. And you can sell tickets and get advertisers. And just—that was not—that was never part of the way I came up. You know, there just was none of that. In fact, until Bob Dylan did the Victoria's Secret ad, nobody did advertisements or took money for anything except for playing music and selling records. So it's just a different thing, you know. But the main difference is that you can't make money. You cannot make money. I mean, how insane is that? It makes me sad and sick. I mean, I had a relationship with someone who I say was quite successful—is quite successful. But the money—I remember I had—I think it was kind of at the behest of her at the time. I did someone at the top interview of my show to, you know, just get this—Alo Black. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. The artist. And talking about just this issue of, like—who is it? Pharrell, I think, had—one year had, like, the biggest song of the year, and he made, like, $12,000. I know. You know, I mean, Spotify, would they pay, what, a millionth of a cent for—I mean, it's just— Yes, it makes me so mad. There's no connection to, like, oh, I go to the record shop, and I got to choose. I remember once I was standing in Tower Records, and I was looking at, like, I don't know, but some stranger who don't usually talk to me just said, get the Dylan. I was looking at, like, two albums, and one was, like, the big—this is, like, 1985. I missed it. I missed that. I missed—we went to the bookstore this morning—or this afternoon. My manager and I walked from the hotel to the bookstore on Sunset. Now, that bookstore—I used to live right down the street from there, and I have so many memories from that bookstore on Sunset. Are you talking about Book Soup? Yes, right across from what used to be Tower Records, where I played in the parking lot when I was first newly signed. Oh, it was big, too. Big deal. It was a big deal for me to play. I mean, there was probably 30 people there, and I was like, oh, my God. What was the event, though? It was my record release. Oh, I see. So they did it at the records, or it was like a book signing. Yeah. And 30 people showed up? Yeah, there was probably 30 or 40 people there. That's great that you have that. I mean, it's great. I know, but it's just like, for these kids now, it's like, I don't know. I mean, yes, I was born in the 1870s. What can I say? No. I hate it, because for me, when you sold records, you knew you had your people. They're people that were like into what you're doing. How does it even work now, you know? We just went on TikTok, which I will say I called Tic Tac, and my 13-year-old was like, Mom, Mom. Yeah. No. Really, President? literally literally yes uh they're like that's so cringy mom we're but we like they can do and know things about that phone and that device and that way of life that we don't even know about we're like a submarine where we lost our sonar we were flying blind and so i mean this i've read this many times it's a common story that the parents something happened usually it's something tragic like a suicide and the parents are like oh my god we had we had no idea and and you know and then they said we tried to look we or they'll go we we look through the phone yeah they not they have ways to fool you and you are so you are so basic on this fake snapchat they have fake instagrams the good thing is i have a young so my the young woman that i hired to go on the road with me with my son and i was like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die my kids um when they were really little is now my assistant and wow she does all my social media she's fantastic and she's like my she's like my investigator because i don't know how to work anything and i don't really want to know how to work anything i really don't want to know i'm just like i i don't want to know i like to read books i like to listen to books you know someday i'm i thought of this have you had five wives no i've had no wives and the reason why i don't haven't needed any is because i have five different when my assistant i'm honestly like who needs a husband i have a great assistant and then my great friend who made this this next door he's goes on the road with me and you know he does all the macho stuff he's like i have five wives and a husband you know like i can't fix shit he fixes all the shit you know it's because something's always broken yeah that's a great record they you know how you could tell i'm such a fan of yours and not only of your music but like we have the same taste like some of the songs you've picked to cover yeah are like not obvious ones like beware of darkness i love that and everything is broken i'm not i don't i'm not someone who listens to everything i don't even know that song well that's what i'm saying yeah you picked songs oh another one uh sign my name oh yeah one hit wonder i remember that yeah right yeah yeah yeah yeah great the whole record that record was great yes and that was the single i think yeah it was it's huge but that you know that was a cover that i'm sure most people did not know was a cover yeah oh well that's those are all ones that are in my ipod that's i know i hear that you still use an ipod and i love you for it there i said it so much better i mean i can first of all i can edit on it can i edit on it yes you can cut off the beginning and the end you can make this oh really yes see i don't even know how to work an ipod you were around for you i was but i know you can edit on it on your computer because you you do everything on the computer and then you sync it to the computer okay you down you you downloaded right so i i love that i mean i'm anal so i like the i can see exactly the song and i don't streaming with this you might like i might not i want my music okay you're like i i download records listen to them keep the ones i love yeah discard the rest there's nothing there's no waste in there when i put it on shuffle it's my 4 000 favorite songs from going back to 1968 now how do you get turned on to new songs anyway you know like you can hear it i could see a you know i'm like um so you would hear it and then you go on your computer and download it from like apple music or do you no no no yes itunes i pay for it okay if i like it oh you know what record i put pandora okay is it pandora yes pandora which um is stupid i love you pandora but you are dumb you can't do what i can do with playlists you can only like play songs from like the same era they don't they don't really have right i can put a playlist together from like many different decades but they all have the same vibe pandora you can't do that but you're you're you're dear to me anyway anyway they so i'll like put a station you know you pick a song you like okay let's hear the whole station songs that are like that okay that's how i often do and then you just hit thumbs up and then you have a list of new stuff and you like usually if i like the song i'll say okay i'm gonna buy because i buy like you are committed yes you are committed well first of all i think artists should get what they have coming i'm telling you i know this intimately i do too okay so i'm gonna do my part so i buy the album you can still do that as emily harris says that's your way of voting exactly and then you know sync the eyes sync the hype i usually buy three albums like at a time so so then let's do those three and i'll sync the ipod and then i'll listen you know listen look i know you have a new one they sent it to me two days ago first of all i just don't have time second of all i just don't have time second of all i just don't have time second of all i just don't have time second of all i just don't have time second of all i just don't have time second of all i bought them they're all good yeah all of them well there's good stuff on all okay thank you so i take out the ones i like but your your cheryl crow playlist is just fantastic i mean it's just it's just one after another great one oh thank you so so all your hits are like thank you i also love i don't even know what was a single at my age you know like was abilene was that a single that was not a single okay that's a great one i don't even know what was a single at my age you know like was i don't even know what was a single i don't even know what was a single i don't even know what it's about and i love it god thank you i my favorite record uh not my favorite record but the favorite record i've made in a long time the funnest record i've made was a record called be myself oh i haven't of course i can't believe you have that record i mean literally was that roller skate is that yes yes oh and lifestyle yes oh oh my god i can't always on my side is that that same record uh that one was on that is it i can't remember what song what record that was on okay that one i hate to tell you this like nothing makes me cry well not in life i'm not a crier but movies can easily i don't know why like you don't cry not really over things in life it's that's hard but what do you cry over like really almost any movie that knows how to like hit that thing i'm a really easy okay the holdovers i cried at the end of that the holdovers yes it was the one with uh what's his name about the school uh the prep school boy who gets left for christmas what's the guy's name that plays him plays it anyway check it out i cried at the end of it it was so weird yeah it's very easy to do that to me uh and and but musically much less so and i didn't even know why that song oh i guess i do it's just beautiful and it just never really moves me to tears and very few songs you know what song which song was it always on my side always on my side oh thank you and um the sting version both i have them both one after another you're good yeah no he's that's a great duet you know what you want to hear something crazy about that what um we uh shot the video for that uh four days after i was diagnosed with breast cancer and uh i was supposed to present at the um with lance and we had split a few days before that oh god and sting went with me to the grammys rough week huh it was surreal but sting was like literally like knight in shining armor he's like i'll i'll present with you and he was like he literally i look at the artwork from that from that song and he's like got his arms around me i look like a freaking deer in headlights but you just you are and that song you know you are the um teacher's pet for like every great male rock star over like 30 years i mean spanning the whole thing i mean prince loved you and mick jagger and dylan and you know all these different uh everybody michael jackson that's great i don't really know if he even knows who he is i don't know if he even knows who he is i don't know if he even knew who i was like i ran into him at the grammys after i toured with him for 18 months and i was just like hey and he's like hello and i was like i didn't think he knows um you weren't his type grown but i don't know i mean i don't know oh i think we know yeah look i i'm very try to be very non-judgmental but i mean when oprah threw her lot in with the accusers i was like well first of all i believe the accusers right i mean you could just tell it's it's not that hard sometimes to tell when people are lying i just don't think there was enough in it and for these guys to you know there's always some money or some fame or something but you know it's really hard yeah to go forward even like that even in the beginning it's it's it's it's an icky thing but but he uh on stage he certainly looked like oh i would say he was he was insane you know he's one of those people well he i would say in all the years of my being on the road and working with different artists and I've been really lucky. But I was new then, didn't have a record deal, and it's the first time I ever started thinking about why some people can manipulate 60,000 people physically. Like Carlos Santana says, you change the molecules. And there's total divinity in that. If you believe in God or you don't, it's an energy thing. I call it divinity because it is divine and it is not explicable. But then there was this whole other thing, this damage and how a person can hold all of that. I can see why he, I always say he won't live very long because you can't be able to have that incredible energy, energetic power and be that damaged and have that. You can't inform who you are in your living everyday normal life. It just was insane to watch. 'Cause he'd go out and do these moves and sing these songs and you were just transported. You were watching something that had never been done before. It was just incredible. I will never forget feeling how I felt watching him from backstage. - I did not see that, but I did see the movie they put out posthumously where he's doing rehearsals for the tour that never happened. - Right. I did not see it. - You haven't seen it? - I don't wanna, mm-mm. - Okay, well, I'll try to make this brief just so you're not triggered, but, you know, I mean, this is near the end. He's about to go, remember it was at the O2 in London, he was gonna do. - Yes. - Who was the manager, the promoter, who signed him for what was it, 100 shows, thinking Michael Jackson was gonna make it through. I mean, he made it through one. - I know. - It was gonna be a victory. - He was like Aaron Rodgers. - Not since the guy who turned down the Beatles. - Yes. - Was there a worse decision than, okay. Anyway, so he's rehearsing and, you know, it's intermittently with Dr. Conrad Murray, currently now my personal doctor. - Is he really? - No. - Oh my God. - Yes. - I'm like, wow. - Yes, I have Dr. Conrad Murray, Dr. Eugene Landy, who treated Brian Wilson. - Yes, no, I know. - And Dr. Vinnie Boombaht, so that's my team. - No wonder you look so good. - Thank you. So I owe it all to clean liquor, but, so. - Oh my God. - Oh shit, what were we talking about? - About the show, you watched the documentary. - Oh yeah, so, you know, a lot of it is, and, but there was still moments where, in rehearsal, he would be the old Michael Jackson, and would just go off, and the other dancers in the crew were just like slack-jawed. And then would burst into applause at the end. - Yeah. - So it was just like a flame that burned very bright, consistently for a while. - Propel Fitness Water. With Gatorade Electrolytes, zero sugar, and vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water, to help you get the most out of your workout, and get back to your best self. What propels you? - Endless summer escapes start here. Brave the upside down, face off with the front man. Play leveled up arcade games, shop exclusive merch, and enjoy themed food and drinks. Beat the heat, play, eat, and shop on repeat at Netflix House at Galleria Dallas. - And then it was just only a flicker, and then once in a while it would chew it up for a moment. - Yeah. - That was never gonna get through a hundred shows. - Never. Not even a healthy person at that. I mean, he was already like 40. Or I don't know how old he was at the time. Maybe close to-- - No, closer to 50. - 50? - Yeah. - I mean, yeah, I don't know. - And no nose. You know, a noseless skeleton. - That makes it tricky. - Is going to perform a hundred shows? - Makes it tricky. It's hard to, like-- - But I must say, I mean, you said he's insane, yes. That is a form of insanity. I think it's like-- - Insane in a good way. But also a conflicted way, a very conflicted way, you know? - No, I don't think really a great way. I think show business at that level, I mean, the thing you were just talking about, where the magic, the Carlos Santana thing, that energy, the divinity, whatever you want to call it, that thing is so powerful that the person who is reflecting that ray off them back to the audience, that ray is transforming their mind. I mean, we see it now with Kanye West. You just see it with lots of people who, it's just like, you're a normal person, and then they can't handle this level of adulation, and you can have anything you want. That's what warps their brain. And you're allowed to pig out on whatever you want, drugs. - I mean, it's like, you know, young athletes, you know? Who become huge and get these massive salaries, and then wind up, you know, having to claim bankruptcy. I mean, it's all too much. I think the, I don't know, I think money is, money is man. - It's not the money so much. - But it's the power, right, and the ego, and adoration. - That's what it is. - The fame. - It's no one ever saying anything but yes, and can I get you more? - Yes. - Can I get you more? - Yes. - Can I get you a better drug? - Yes. - Can I get you more pussy? - And also, you're dispensable. Like, whoever is serving you is also highly dispensable, so that person, and having been around artists that have people that are the yes people, they're terrified of getting replaced. So it's a vicious cycle, you know? - Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine doing it as a woman. It's not, rock and roll, just in general, that lifestyle, it's not really, it doesn't jibe with maybe modern women when we're all trans, and we're all non-binary, and we make no assumptions at birth, but like old school women, of which you are one, and I love you for it, let's say, women classic? - Yes, I'm a classic woman, yes, or what do they call it? I'm a, what's the term? Something about a child-bearing. - Yeah, good hips. - A child-bearing, you know, I'd have something that are, a menstruating woman. - A woman classic? - A menstruating person, or whatever. - A menstruating person is what we now have to, yes, because we don't want to offend pregnant men or something, I don't know. - Yeah, I know, I know, yeah. - That's the kind of shit that drives me crazy. - It doesn't really work if you've gone through menopause, and then you, it's just, it's too complicated, Bill. It's just too complicated. - Well, you know, there's nothing wrong with teaching that there is a default setting to certain things, and also, we completely accept and respect, when something is not the default setting. It's like most people are right-handed. That's the default setting. They used to actually discriminate against left-handed people. They thought it was like a sign of the devil or some shit. Really, but we got over that. - I'm thinking of the left-handed people that I know, and, no, I'm kidding. - Well, first of all, I know you don't have to do this. I can't tell you how appreciative I am. How flattering is it? - I wanted to come do it, I'm, yes. - I know, I know that's why you're here. That's why I'm so flattered. - And I love your show, I love, - Thank you. - the, how thought-provoking and how truth-telling and how conversational it is. You know, it is interesting, talking about Bobby. You know, I've known Kid Rock for a lot of years, and he and I are, - Picture. - We're a great, I think, - What a record. - Speaking of picture, I think we're a great illustration of two people who are very, on very different sides, politically, - Of course. - And we've had some deep and hard conversations, like after the shooting in Nashville. - Right. - I called him and said, "I need to understand what is happening." You know, I reached out to a lot of different country artists and got nowhere, and he said, "I wanna come over and talk to you about it." And we sat and we talked about it, and talked about his grandkids actually go to school where my kids go, and, or his granddaughter. And people can sit and talk about hard stuff. - This is my life. - And compromise, and, - This is my quest, to follow that song. - I wish to, - No matter how hopeless. - No matter how long. Yes, that's what I'm always trying to do. - Well, I appreciate, - Yeah, and I love the, - When this came up, I was like, yes, yes. - You know the people I fucking hate the most? Now, if you ask me, who do I think is the biggest threat to this country, it's not even close, it is the right wing. They don't believe in democracy anymore, or the environment. - I know, it's scary, it's very scary. - Donald Trump still exists, he's still out there, we need a bigger boat, blah, blah, blah. But, like, who viscerally makes me wanna punch them in the fucking face? - Okay, who? - The kind of people who, like, if you were someone who, after doing Picture with Kid Rock, wouldn't talk to him because he voted for Trump, I'd hate you. - Oh, no, no, no, yeah. - That's the kind of person I fucking hate. - Okay, so, I grew up with a conservative and a liberal. And when I turned 18, my dad and my mom, secretly, were like, who are you going to vote for? Because they would always cancel each other out, their votes. And it was always a thing. I mean, in our household, there were heated conversations about what was going on politically. We had the nightly news, and that was it. Nightly news, and then 11 o'clock news, which nobody ever watched. So it wasn't like now. But people talked about the shit, you know, and disagreed about it. And that's my only thing. I'm like, we got to get, what's happening now is terrifying. I keep saying it. You can hate Trump. You can't hate everyone who likes him. It's half the country. You can't. Or at least vote for him. And as much as I would never do that, and nobody's been harder on him, I get it. I get where different people are coming from. They didn't grow up like you. They don't think like you. And you can't make them. And you shouldn't try. Right. Let's, you know, let's complete the circle and have our differences be our strength. That kind of stuff. Yeah. That they're always talking about. But it's true. I don't want to live in a country without the red states. I like going to the red states. There's something about that being there that I don't get. Yeah. Here. Like, a bad fucking attitude. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Just, just not as judgy. Yeah. And I don't want to live in a country without the red states. Sorry, I'm going in for my second. They told me there was free beer on this podcast. So I'm like, oh, yeah. I gotta say, beer comes up in your songs a lot. I am a beer drinker. Oh, I can tell. Now, let me just tell you, my wild years were a little later, right? What? My wilder years were a little later. And now I've pulled back to just, just the occasional, you know, beer. But have you ever counted how many songs of yours have beer in the lyrics? What can I tell you? It just, it's really hoping for that endorsement. What did you think when he shot the Bud Light? Did you call him then? I'm going to be honest with you. And I don't know if you'll see this or not. That's why I called him and said, I need to understand where the hell you're coming from when we just had. And I said, what is it? Is it Budweiser? Is it the trans Dylan? Because neither one of those have anything to do with how much money you make or your freedom. He knows that. Yes, he did. And so I said, I need to understand. And he's like, I'm going to come over. And I love him for that. Look, I mean, I don't, that's not the only reason I love him, but we are like family. Like he told me when my boys came along, good. Anything ever happens, I'm there for your kids. So, and he came over and you know what, before he left, we hugged and told each other, we loved each other. Yes. We hammered it out. Yes. You know, I mean, I had, and, I had a friend, Colter on the show a couple of weeks ago and I hadn't had her on for a while, but I mean, I've been friends with her since 1994 or something. And no one's going to make me not be friends with her. She's a fun chick to hang out with. And we don't talk politics if we're not on the show because I know where she is and she knows where I am. Don't tell me who my friends can be. Yeah. Really obnoxious. Yeah. That's the kind of shit I hate. I will say one thing. Maybe you'll find something you don't know. That is exactly right. And for me, I'm a, I'm a research junkie. Like I need to understand like whatever's happening in the world. I need to go back and find out what the history of it is. Cause more than likely what we know about it is not really the reality. But one of the things I'm learning is that people have big platforms that you do outlandish things in order to whip up your base. I mean, it's what politicians do. It's what people, and that is so ego driven. Okay. That's fine. We all know that all of us have big egos. So, and Kid Rock is not exempt from that. It's fun to whip it up and see what happens. You know what I mean? And so, and that's kind of what he said. He's like, dad, it wasn't me. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't this. I wasn't that, you know, it's all, that's what it is. But my thing is I want to make sure that all the people out there that jump on the hate bandwagon that, and it becomes dangerous. Like we hate, Dylan, whoever, and we hate Budweiser and all that. Y'all are being played. Y'all are being whipped into this us against them. This is, we're in this group of people that hate this and that. And that's the part I have the problem with. I don't like that. What I see on the news is a lot of college kids saying things to people who support Israel, like you're Nazi scum. I mean, who have, who have everything so ass backwards that, that's when I need to join, but I will never light one up. But can I hold one? Yes, you can. If I wasn't singing tomorrow, I'd say light that bad boy up right now. No, I know. I've never not. But like for you, first of all, I would do, I would do this on standing on me. I would do this standing on my head, but it is a little like running a marathon for the first time. I'm saying, I know it's gotta be hard. It's difficult. First, you're wearing a suit jacket and now you're, you're not smoking. And I just want to tell you how much I appreciate that. I, I appreciate that. I, I feel better now. I'm almost like George Burns with the cigar. Remember George Burns? Oh yeah, of course. He always had a fucking cigar in his hand. Yeah. Take my wife. After the stage of show business I'm at, I need the prop cigar. Oh God, just shoot me down. Hit me over the head with this fucking hip guitar. Say goodnight, Gracie. Your boy Willie Nelson signed that. Oh, love that man. Yes. I do. Another one. Everybody like adopted you. Everybody wanted to get a little of your. I've been very. Listen, I'm blessed beyond. I don't even know what to say. I'm just blessed. I know that sounds. Don Henley? Love Don. He was in the news yesterday. What was Don in the news? He's suing. Okay, I read the New York Times in the morning. And then I, I just want to know that the world hasn't blown up, although it is blowing up. I can't even go near it now. It's so. Oh, I agree. Toxic. But what's going on with Don? He's suing. Well, he's suing. Somebody. About lyrics. Lyrics, yeah. But that already, they. Notebook came out that he, it has all their notes when they were doing their stuff, him and Glenn and. And they lost, he lost, right? Didn't I see that? I think I looked at the news last night after he landed. Probably. I mean, it's hard to. I think he didn't get it back. Yeah. Yes. But it said the Eagles, that said that's their last tour, I guess, that they're on. That's. Really? You're right, because they even had to call. They even had to call their, their most recent incarnation the Hell Freezes Over tour. Right. Because he had said in 1980, we'll get back together when hell. When hell freezes over, yeah. Which is typical of their cheeky humor. They were, I love those guys. Yes. And that's one of the greatest bands and sounds of all time. Yes. And by the way, 60 Minutes, I saw you, your documentary opens that you're with whoever, Steve Croft or. Oh yes, Steve Croft, yes. And I did it once. Joyful experience, isn't it, 60 Minutes? I didn't even know what a joyful experience was back then. Oh, I know. We were thrilled, I was thrilled to be on it. I was like, hey. Thrilled to be on it again, yeah. Nice to meet you, Mr. Croft. No, it's, exactly. I mean, 60 Minutes, but they had the Eagles once and they were putting a, remember they put out an album, very good album in 2007, they hadn't put out one in 28 years, and they put out one called Long Road to Eden. Yes, I do remember that. And it's really good. It's a double album. Yes, I do remember it. So they were promoting that and. And Steve Croft or whoever says to Glenn Frey, like, well, you know, 60 Minutes, like, and what do you attribute to the success of the, and he just, he just named the song titles, and I thought it was the most eloquent answer, and you could do the same thing. You just have to, like, give your song titles, if somebody ever says, what is your, psychologically, how did you manipulate, and just, you know. Well, it's funny you should ask, because really all I want to do is have some fun, but you know what, if it makes you happy, it can't be bad. It can't be that bad, but sometimes a change would do you good. Yeah, I mean, that's really, at the end of the day, to me, and that's again why I love the iPod, because I can just have, that's how I can know exactly how great an artist is, they're just one after another, and you can do that, you know, there are, look, in this, your business, if you have one hit, you can work forever, somewhere. I have to say a funny story, though, I did a. But if, to do a whole show of hits. Yes. That's, you're that kind of act. Very lucky. And that's why they'll always come out. So, I wound up on a gig with Lionel Richie and Billy Joel in Atlanta, and, which was, I have to say, really, really fun, I was the first one on, and in the backstage area, I come back, and Lionel's like, Cheryl, come in here, and he pulls me into Billy's dressing room, he's like, the three of us, we have hits, we've got to go on a world tour, we've got to take this thing on a world tour, hits all night long, just nothing but hits, and then he turns around to me, it was like Borscht Belt, Cheryl, you know when you play Borscht Belt? I was like, no, never, you never play them, he's like, they don't want to hear new songs, they just want to hear the hits, and now, every time I play, I'm like, been told never to play new songs, but I'm going to play a new song, but, and now I have a new record, so it's like, I guess I never play new songs, but. Well, but it won't be. No, you sneak one in here, or, you know, you sneak them in. I know how they do it. Yeah, and then they go to the bathroom while you're playing it, or hopefully buy a t-shirt. Yeah. But in five years, there will be songs from that record record that will be feathered in. And they'll probably like those, you know, too, you know. Maybe. I mean, it's-- Sort of aged out of having, you know, hits, so. Well, who knows even what makes a hit. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, it's hard to-- I remember McCartney put out a really great album in 1989, Flowers in the Dirt. I loved that record. And I thought it was like-- it was-- He did it with Elvis Costello. Yes, I remember. So it was like one of the-- it could have stood as a Beatle record. Yeah, yeah. It was that good. Yeah, yeah. That Beatlesque sound. And of course, he was 47 at the time. So it just, you know, that generation is just going to say, no, I'm sorry. You had your moment. I don't care how good it is, you know, dispassionately. Try being 62 and a woman, you know. Right. So although, I mean, it's-- It's always fun. I would not-- I wouldn't stop making records. I don't know about albums. I did make this an album because I had so many songs. But it's weird to put music out and know that a song is going to turn up maybe on a playlist with, like, Ice Spice. I mean, it's just-- it's so antithetical, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're on New Music Friday, and you're, like, be plopped between-- if you're lucky. But you go to football games with her, right? Ice Spice? Actually, yes, I was at a ball game with her. Really? Yes. About 20 sections away. Oh. Yeah. But wasn't she at the Super Bowl with Taylor Swift? She was, yeah. Boy, if Taylor Swift thinks that she invented the breakup song-- oh, I said this to somebody recently. First of all, she's got to listen to "You're So Vain," Carly Simon. That kind of, like-- There's not a better one than that. Well, there is not a better one but "Alone in the Dark" by Sheryl Crow. Oh my god. Oh my god. Was that a single? I love-- hell no. No? Really? No. Oh. That's a real shiv in the gut. Are you wearing, like, an earpiece? Is there somebody in the other room going-- Why, you think I'm so old I can't hear? --alone in the dark? No, no. You're so-- I can't believe you know all these, like, deep cuts. Well, anybody who works here, I'll tell you, I'm a very big music fan. So I just-- I know what I know. That's awesome. Now, do I know-- could I name every song on every album? No, but I have stuff from every album. Yeah. I have the ones that I really adore. Steve McQueen. Which one is that? Is that-- that was a single. That was a single, yeah. That was on the third record, fourth record. That's in the tradition of the cool chick who's too cool to get tied down genre. Oh, yeah. That was me. Which is so sexy. Oh my god. Like, this freak-- On that video, I got on my dirt bike. I mean, god. Oh, really? See, I don't remember the video. Oh, yeah. In fact, I was hanging out with Dale Earnhardt in that video, and never getting married. Right, because the McQueen, "Well, All I Need Is A Fast Machine," right? Yeah. But do you remember the Stone Ponies, Linda Ronstadt-- Yeah, of course. --doing "Different Drum"? Yes, of course. Yeah. Do you remember that song? Yeah. That's that same, "We travel to a different drum, can't you see the way I run every time you--" Yes, yes. --make eyes at me. Don't get me wrong. It's not that I knock it. It's just that I'm not in the market. What a great rhyme. "Knock it in market." For someone who wants to love just only me. Yeah. I ain't saying you ain't pretty. All I'm saying is I'm not ready for any person, place, or thing that tries to put the reins in on me, bitch. Damn. So that kind of song, I think-- Yeah. --we should do a whole album of just those. I could probably write an album of those. "Free Bird," "Get Off My--" You don't know me like that. "Get Up Off of Me" songs. I've had this longstanding introduction to "Strong Enough to Be My Man" about how I never got married. I never got married. Got engaged three times. What? You did? Still have all my money. Never got divorced. Were you engaged to Lance Armstrong? I was. You know he sat right there a few months ago? I actually caught the very beginning of that. Oh. And I saw "Bobby Kid." I've seen, actually, quite a few. I've seen two of them. Wow. What an intense guy. Is he? Lance Armstrong? Well, yeah. Who would know better than you? I don't know him now in this incarnation, because he's-- Wasn't he then? He was then. Of course. But he was racing then and, you know. I know. But like-- He was intense. Yeah. Just to pick that as a profession, riding a bike. Of course you got it intense. I will say my 16-year-old is on a bass fishing team, which I didn't know was actually a sport. So when I met Lance, I was like, bike riding? Is that a sport? It's not. So yeah, I didn't realize-- No, bass fishing is not a sport. Either is running around the block. But they may be in the Olympics. I'm going to have to dispute that with you, just as long as I know my kid might be watching this. It is a sport, and the damn bass boat costs $70,000, OK? It's not like buying a baseball bat, OK? Baseball bat's $350,000, honey. Oh, my god. But so-- but you're still drinking? I drink beer. You still drink beer? I do. What did you-- what drugs did you do back in the day? Oh. That's what I'm saying, like, the rock star life-- My wilder days were drinking, smoking weed, smoking cigarettes, because I was super cool when I was drunk. Me too. And-- Yeah, cigarettes. That's the one I regret. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolytes, zero sugar, and vitamins. Propel Hydro. Gatorade's better than water, to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. 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What are we talking about? Have you ever, a guided psilocybin. Oh, cool. Yeah. Guided, though. Yeah. Through Johns Hopkins. How bougie to have a guided fucking drug trip. See, the thing is, you can do mushrooms. I'm like, okay, yeah. But what do you mean guided? So, you do it. But you've done mushrooms before, no? Yes, but not, like, medicinal, like, full-powered. You mean it was. A two and a half hour or three hour where they give you some and then you take more and you do it with, like, a playlist. We're not talking about ayahuasca here. We're talking about mushrooms. No, no. Because mushrooms I've done many. So. And I, you know, it's, yeah, it's a trip. Yeah. I don't, I mean. So. What does the guide do? The guide. On your left. They say, if you look to the cerebellum, try not to look over to the, I think more than anything, what they do is make sure that you're not, if you're not a person who, like, does recreational drugs, it's more from a scientific standpoint for people who struggle with. I think it's very helpful. Yes. It was. I mean. It was helpful. LSD started out as that. Until Timothy Leary got a hold of it. You know, that chair over there is his chair. Seriously? Well. Did you, did you watch or did you ever listen to the Michael Pollan stuff? Yeah. The food guy? So interesting. Yes. Right. No, no, no. Yeah. But he did all this. Yeah. But then he did a book on. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And then what fantastic fun, a fantastic fungi or fungi, that documentary. Well, don't get me started on fungus. No, seriously. Really? Yeah. I mean, I'm a big believer that it's something that we don't pay the kind of attention to. I agree. We should. I think Western medicine sees everything as bacterial. Yeah. And they misdiagnose stuff and fungus is, I think, responsible for stuff. Even the CDC a few years ago finally said said, if you don't know what something is, look to fungus. Yes. And that was, like, many years late. Yeah. So, like I said, don't get me started on fungus. I know, I agree. This is a whole different podcast. I mean, but for those who want to look more. I'm so with you. I'm fungus? I'm so with you on fungus. Yeah, man. I want to be in the fungus club. Fuck fungus. When HBO did that show, just, they did some, they had a show, it was a huge hit. What was it? It was called. How to Change Your Mind? Last of Us. I think. Oh, yeah, I didn't see it. And it was about the villain in it was fungus. Oh, shut up. And I said, finally, somebody's getting on the fungus thing. Oh, the villain. Like, not the saving device. Well, the villain in the sense that, well, whatever was taking over people and turning them into zombies, everything has to, you have to be either a zombie or a Dracula. Come on, this is TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing that was behind it was fungus. I was like, yes, that's much more likely than, you know. Yeah. I mean, so many cancers are done. Cases are diagnosed as cancer when they're fungal. Well, I mean. My dog, case in point. Well, do you know when they want to, what they do when they want to give mice cancer in the lab? They saute some mushrooms and. Basically. Really? They give them mycotoxins. Oh, wow. That's a, you know, fungus toxin. Penicillin. Yeah. Antibiotics are sometimes, are often. Well, weren't they just. They derive from the fungus that go on. Moldy bread. Yeah, moldy bread. Okay, so the connection, I'm not saying I know the connection, but I've certainly read about the subject and people have their theories, and it looks like there, I think there is quite a connection between cancer and fungal infection and, you know. But the crazy thing about it is, is that when they do studies about, like, forestry, how fungus or mushrooms create their own. Yes. The way they can actually go in. And they can save some trees by creating their own antibiotics. I mean, I think there's so many amazing possibilities, not just for humans, but also for the planet. I mean, at this moment when we're asleep at the wheel and nobody seems to give a shit about the planet because we're too worried about making sure. I mean, it drives me crazy how we're turning a blind eye to this or a blind eye. But anyway, the fact that mushrooms could be a huge answer. Yes. To what's happening. To at least preserve it. Yes. Or a huge problem. I mean, they can kill us. I mean, we. You don't want to breathe in mold. No. Not mold. Yeah. Well, but, I mean, fungus is really strong. Almost every plant in nature is antifungal because it needs to be, because plants don't have legs. They can't run away. Right. The only way they can repel it. But take a lemon, like, the most antifungal thing, it's pure citrus. Right, right. You leave it on the counter long enough. What does it look like? Yeah. Has mold all over it. Yeah. And it'll eat through a marble countertop. Fungus is unrelenting. I'm a hawk on fungus. The name of our new podcast. Extremism and the fight against fungus is no vice and moderation is no virtue. I'm a one-issue candidate. I'm a hawk on fungus and I'm going to attack anyone who's to my left on this issue. But it is true. I mean, fungus. You know, people should think about fungus more, like, sinal infections. I don't want to get started on. But I will say, for people who have struggled with depression, people who have, you know, mental challenges that the studies they've done at Johns Hopkins for years, it was shut down, they saw great outcomes for people with PTSD, you know, I think at least people are starting to get back to the base where they can look at some of these natural, holistic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. As being at least worth, you know, legalizing. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't think the amount of mushrooms that you took for psychological reasons would be the kind that would be bad for you. And by the way, if you don't. Right. If you don't have a fungal infection, it's not. Well, you can eat mushrooms and, you know, your body has in it fungus that is natural, that you need some good bacteria, some bad bacteria, and some fungus. Yeah. It's when you get the proportionality right, it's when you get the proportionality right, it's when you get the proportionality right. Yeah. When you get the proportionality right, it's when you get the proportionality right, it's when you get the proportionality right. Yeah. Antibiotics kill the good bacteria, which fight with the fungus for food, that's how we kill bacteria. Yeah. But unfortunately, when they kill the bad bacteria, they kill the good bacteria. Yeah. Exactly. And then the fungus proliferate. Right. Anybody who's had antibiotics, you know, if they kill the bad bacteria, they kill the good bacteria. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. - Really? - Yeah, yes. In fact, my 13-year-old is the exact same way. We're just like. - So it's you and the kids in a house outside of Nashville? - Yeah, we're kinda, yeah, we're, we're not in downtown Nashville, we're in Nashville. - And then you have a studio, I'm guessing, in your house, of course. - Over the barn, I have horses. - Over the barn. - Yes. It's idyllic. - It's, oh, come on. - Who lives like me? Me. - Yeah. And do you, can you like, you have like a fireman's pole, you can get right down into the barn when you wanna. - Like one of these? - When you. - Uh, no. - No, that's a stripper pole. - Yeah, no, I know. I recognize it from Kid Rock's house, okay? - It was here when I bought the house. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's necessary for wiring. - Oh, yes. No, I don't have a fireman's pole. Actually, I don't even go down there unless I'm like gonna record, and I didn't, I didn't do any recording on this record. I sent it to my friend and said, "These are my mini screenplays. "And I want you to Martin Scorsese shit out of them." And it was the most glorious experience I've ever had. - I don't understand. - Okay, so I usually produce myself, and I usually am like, from the beginning to the end, and playing, and writing, and this bunch of songs, 'cause you know the last record I put out, I said, "I'm not making records anymore." No more albums. - "Be Myself"? Was that it? - No, it was "Threads." - "Threads?" - It was like. - With everybody, yes. - Yes, with lots of people. - Again, you pick these songs that are like, well. - Oh, man, I'll tell you what. The song, though, with Johnny Cash, and having him in my ear. - Oh, yeah. - I just had this weird like-- - 'Cause he was dead? - 11:30 at night, dead. But just all the conversations I'd had with him before he recorded it, I don't know. I just, I came out of there, I was like, "I'm not gonna make albums anymore. "This is, it's done." - Well, maybe just not duets with dead people. Maybe that's the issue. - I actually prefer duets with dead people. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. - They can't complain, it's true. - That is not true. That is not true. - Well, and that's a great, because Tony Bennett just called. No. - Okay, all right, okay, give me 20 minutes. No, so, this record, I, there's just, like the AI thing is what started it. Reading about the Beatles, and I don't fault them. - Right. - But I was conflicted about that. - I do fault them. - And then the George Carlin thing sent me-- - Yes. - I mean, it sent me-- - No, we're-- - I paced, literally, my kids would leave for school, and I'm like, "What the, what are we doing here?" - Have you seen the Billy Joel, the new Billy Joel song video? - No. - Okay. - Am I gonna wanna go hang myself, and then-- - Why? 'Cause they're bad? - No, what are we doing now with AI? - They, you know, Billy Joel came out with his first song in 30 years. He debuted it at the Grammys, and it's very-- - And that wasn't really him, that was AI? - No, no. - Okay. - But for the video, they have him singing it as himself now, but also as him singing this new song that he only wrote now when he's 28, and 35, and 42, and-- - Okay. - So, and it's-- - Here's my thing about that. - It's terrible. - He's alive. - He's-- - Okay, and, I mean, he is. Harrison Ford did that whole latest-- - I saw it, yeah. - Where he, they've-- - Manipulated his face to make him look younger, right? - And the Irishman, De Niro, and de-aged them. - Yes, and of course me on social media with lots of filters, same thing. No, I'm kidding. But it's one thing if you're alive, and you are controlling the image that you're putting out, and you can actually address, yeah, we used AI. But if you're using somebody else and manipulating, I mean, it's, we're getting, it's beyond deep fakes, where it's like-- - Yeah. - I don't know, I mean, I actually called my attorney, and was like, this is a weird thing. It's like negotiating real estate in space, which I know our countries are doing, where they're deciding who's owning what parts of space, which I find to be like, for me, I'm just like, I don't want anything to do, I don't want my image coming out, I don't want my voice coming out, I don't want any of my old demos coming out. - Right. - I want it in writing for posterity, and I want it locked in something where AI can't get in there and change my words, you know? It's just-- - What I think is scariest is that, when you look at the history of, like, when the technology comes along, and does something horrible, the reaction seems to be, what are you gonna do, it's technology, we can't do anything about it. - Yes. - Think about, remember Napster? - Napster! - Okay. - Perfect. - So, first the technology comes along, yeah, we're gonna steal it now. - Except for me and Don Henley, who are on Capitol Hill every 10, like, we're there every Tuesday, like, trying to fight for stuff. - Right. - And the Senate subcommittees are all saying, well, it's already here. - Right. - Well, you can't do anything about it now. - So, they gave up on that, then Spotify streaming comes in, and they gave up on, like, the basic model of business. - Yeah, yes. - So, why would I think, now that this technology, they're not going to give up again on somehow guard railing this shit, because-- - Well, they can't do it now. And for one thing, we're frogs in a pot. Because, you know that phrase, frogs in a pot? - Yeah, of course. - Yes. - So, I was talking to my kids about it. I worked with this amazing young songwriter recently, who's written on tons of shit, and she played me a demo. It was a demo that she had written with a couple of people, and she sang it, and she's like, "I needed a guy to sing it." So, I paid $5 and got John Mayer's voice, and she played me the demo, and it's John Mayer singing. - $5? What's the $5 for? - She paid a service, it's like ChatGPT, but instead, you insert somebody's voice, and it replicates his voice, like, not only his voice, but his inflections, his style. I started crying. I was just like, "I know John. "There's no way I would not know this was him." - For $5. - And I said, and she was talking about the ChatGPT thing, and how she could put stuff in, and it's not always good, but it gets your brain started, and there's always a couple of good lines. I just was like, "You're 21. "I know this is what you're growing up in. "I know this is normal for you, "but what is not normal about it, "which you will never know, "is that the thing that creates art is, "like, it's the human experience. "It's not a computer's experience." - And that's why I think we will survive to a degree, because the audience, at some level, they don't know how to read anymore. It's a joke to think they would get through a whole book. They actually make jokes about that, a book. - Or a whole song. We don't get paid unless they listen to more than 30 seconds. - Yeah, but people do still listen to whole songs. - Bill Maher does. - Most, no, even the kids listen to songs. I mean, I don't think their attention span is so short that they can't get through a song if they like it. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay. - They'll listen to a Zac Bryan song all the way through. - Who? Yeah, I don't know who that is. Zac Bryan? - Zac Bryan? - No. - But he live in the, yeah. - No. I don't. I just don't, I've been caught up to him. - I know. I mean, I can't explain it to you. - Why is he Zac Bryan? - He was in the military, young kid, started posting songs on TikTok and became massive, and we went out and opened up for him, and it was like the Beatles. I've never seen anything like it. I've never, not since the Beatles, have I ever seen anything like it. Seriously. - Well, we didn't see the Beatles. We were too young, even us. - Yeah, but I mean like the footage. 30,000, 40,000 kids. - I mean. - With no hits, singing every word, hanging on his every, I've just never, from TikTok. - Well, we'll see in 10 years if he's like the Beatles. - Yeah. - Because. - From your mouth to God's ears. - Well, I mean, everybody, look, music is like we were just saying, it's so primal. - I know. - So, like, he's not the first one to come out and look like the Beatles for 10 minutes. You know, they are who they are, because they grew, they were always one step ahead of the audience. Can this, maybe he can. Maybe he's a genius. What do you think of the music? I'm sorry, I mean, you described the crowd reaction, but what about the music itself? - Yeah, well, I mean, it's a taste thing. - Be honest. - It's a taste thing. - Well, there's a dodge. Yeah, right, okay, so you don't think he's some musical genius. I think if you. - No, no, no, it's not that. It's, I mean, actually, I mean, truth be told, there's a whole lane of music now that sort of falls into the Americana, but actually it's sort of like old school country, like Tyler Childress, Zach Bryan, and they're writing songs about hard living people with real struggles. - Yeah, the guy. - And it's three chords, four chords, and it's good, it's good. It really is good. - Yeah, it can be. - Yeah, I mean, for whatever reason, it's resonating with 16-year-olds, and 20-year-olds, and 30-year-olds, and I'm down with it. I'm here for it, they're writing stories. It's not six second, six second attention span. We're gonna, you know, we gotta keep the listener in it. It's like old school verse, chorus that only changes a tiny bit. You know, it's like Americana. - Yeah, I mean, look, again, no, but I'm just saying, like, I don't put any labels on things. A good song is a good song. I mean, like, I remember you did some album. I have it, I have them all. - Okay. - And it's like, they said, "I thought it was your country album." - Oh yeah, yeah. - And I was like, "Yeah, I see what they were saying, They always want to glom on and get some sort of story. So they could make a story. But it was just a good album. It was just a Sheryl Crow album. Yeah, there were some songs. They were geared more towards that. Well, there was the, oh, I love it. The one about the mascara running. Yes. Which is like so. That's why I wear waterproof mascara. But what's the next line? Because it don't run like. Because it won't run like. Like his daddy did. Like his daddy. Which is like so close to parody. Yeah. Like that's so close. You know who I wrote that with? Brad Paisley. Brad, he was sitting here. He was? Yes, loved him. He's quite a great guy. He's one of my favorite people. Yes. He is funny. Yes, funny. But also, he's not what you think. He doesn't live in that like conservative. No, but he's also a guy who's from that part of the country. Believe me, there are things that the woke could find to hate about him. I love that word, woke. I don't. Okay, here's my thing. That is a funny thing that came out of my conversation with Kid Rock. I had to call him Bobby. About being woke. Because he said, you're so woke. And I was like, first of all, you can't quit calling me names. And secondly, maybe I'm woke. I don't, I mean, that's, that was an old term that was derived from like. Right. Slavery. Well, after that, I think. But it meant being alert to injustice. Alert to injustice. Yes. All down. I'm all down with that. I know. It just morphed into something that was an eye roll. I didn't, I didn't do that. They did that. Yes, I know. And I told him, I was like, I'm so down with being woke. If it means like wanting this country to run for all of us. Here's a story that was in the news this week. Somebody wrote in the Atlantic. He used to work at the New York Times, talked about New York Times. I love the Atlantic. I don't know how you feel about it. But that's one of my go-tos. One of my go-tos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Write some. It's hard to find, it's hard to find fair pieces written in New York. Okay, go ahead. You only get one side of every story. Yeah. Anyway, go ahead. So he's at the orientation, like for the new people at the New York Times, I think it was. Okay. And for some reason they ask, they're asking, going around the room or something, and what do you want for lunch? And he says, Chick-fil-A. And they go, like head of the thing said, no, we don't do that here. They hate gay people. And then all the people in the room start snapping their fingers like they're beatniks in 1950. Like, you know, yeah, man. It's like West Side Story. It's like stupid side story. Yeah. Like, fuck you, we can't eat Chick-fil-A. You know what? I will eat Chick-fil-A and Bud Light. I'll put them together in a beer can chicken if I fucking want. You can't get me started on this. This kind of, that kind of attitude is just so obnoxious. I know. And honestly, if you get me started, my publicist will run in here in a minute and like, she's got to go. I mean, it drives, it drives me. Why? I said it. It drives. Yeah, I know. It drives us all crazy. Crazy. And by the way, the people, the good people in this country are with us. It was in the paper today. Like, the number one concern most people have is extremism. They fucking hate it. Well, and this is what worries me between you and I. Is that a pot leaf on that guitar? At the, on the headstock? This is made of hemp. It is? Yeah, this was a gift. Okay, you can totally tell I'm ADD, right? Because it's like, squirrel, pot leaf. What do you, I mean, Willie. No, I was just saying something really astute. It's like. Oh, that's amazing. It's an amazing thing. Can you really play it now? That sounds really bad. Well, it's not tuned. It's made out of hemp. Can you smoke it? Here, let's light this. The guitar? Let's light it. It would be an odd way to re-gift it, but you know, yeah, I guess I, no, you can't smoke hemp. Hemp doesn't get you high. No, you can't smoke it. You can wear it, though. No, what I was going to say is my kids come home with the most unbelievable questions, right? So, I grew up in a really small town, three stoplights, cornfields, but we were close to the Blytheville Air Force Base. The what? Blytheville, Arkansas Air Force Base. Oh, okay. Which was the biggest Air Force Base in America. And this is at the end of, this is like 72, I was 10 years old. I think I'm older than you. No, I'm 68. Okay, I'm 62. So, but I'm a super young. I'm like 36-year-old, 62. Yes, you are. True that. But I remember, I don't know if I came home from school and some kid had said, yeah, the first place they'll bomb in America will be Blytheville and we'll all be, you know, incinerated. Well, that's the only time in my childhood I remember ever being afraid of my parents saying, ridiculous, right? Which probably wasn't, but my kids now come home with crazy questions. Well, they go to a Christian school and they come home with bizarre questions that. They do? Yes, they come home with questions that, you know, their friends are coming into school with from hearing their parents. You know, and this religious support that Trump has is very perplexing that people, in the Christian world, believe that he's chosen. Literally chosen by God. Yes, and. Who better? Meanwhile, because we have many gay people in our lives and in our family that we love. And they come home and they just, you know, they're funny, things that are supposed to be funny jokes, like about gender, because, you know, these are the things that Trump's fighting against. But it's, it's, it's confounding. And it's also, as a parent, it's very, all I can say is when my kid was in eighth grade, we toured Arlington Cemetery, his eighth grade class. And I walked through there and I was just thinking, man, these people that fought for what the country's supposed to stand for, for all people, are rolling right now. I mean, I, I just. I'm, I'm scratching my head going, we can all live here. I don't know. I mean, first of all, I don't think Trump is specifically fighting gender stuff. I think he's, has no, you know, compass at all. So. I agree. If, if, if people he needs say something anti-gender that's inappropriate, like he, he probably won't slap them down for it. But I don't think, you know, he's a libertarian, a libertarian, a libertine from New York. That's not his thing. I mean, you know, he's a, he just got out of a rape trial, for God's sake. He grabs pussies, you know, the, the Melania thing, whatever the fuck that is. And so I, I just don't think that's where people are, I'm, I'm not most worried about him there. He just came out with his abortion proposal, which is 16 weeks, which is about what they have in Europe. Sometimes. Okay, I have not seen that. Yeah. Sometimes it's even less than that. Oh, the Republicans are in. They know they're in real trouble because they, they finally caught the car, the dog caught the car, they got rid of abortion rights, and Americans fucking hate it. Men hate it, women hate it, everybody fucking hates kids, I understand. And they don't want kids they don't want to have, and they really, this is the Democrats' best issue by far. Their worst, Biden's age, that's their worst issue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Their best is, is this. Yeah. People want someone to fight for. Yeah. They're going after the embryos, did you see that in Alabama? Oh, yeah, I've seen that. I mean, embryos, like, just like the goo in the Petri dish is, is an eight-year-old, this, can you. We should give, if, if embryos are alive, we should give them the right to vote, right to vote. Well, we don't give eight-year-olds the right to vote, but we give them a lot of rights that they, that they shouldn't have. Yes, yes, yes, we do. Now, did, were you a runaway bride all these three times that you, uh, didn't get married, that you were engaged? My first engagement, I was 21, I was engaged to a born-again Christian who partied like. It was the end of the world, and then repented the next day, um, and he broke it off, which was really good. And then my second one, I was engaged to a lovely person I'm still good friends with, but we actually, by the time we were getting ready to be married, we were so platonic that it seemed like. And then there was that. That's why I never did it. Yeah. I mean, most people I know that are married are not that happy, so I'm like. But I'm also 62, I mean, I want to just be with people. That's all I like. Exactly. And, you know, I want to laugh. Um, sex would be great, but, you know, only if it's something that makes me laugh. Right, I mean, it's trickier for women. You know, you gotta, you gotta have your, you know, men. Yeah, I don't want to get pregnant. Well. Especially in a state where I can't get an abortion. But also emotionally, psychologically, men can, you know, I think, have sex without, you know, you know, something being all that serious easier. Yeah. And especially as you get older. I can have sex and not care about the person. I guess you can. I'm kidding. I forgot who I was talking to. I'm saying, I'm kidding. I'm talking to rock and roll. I'm a rock star, okay? What do you think is, like, the most rock and roll thing you ever did? Like, because. I wouldn't tell you. Really? No. Um. Yeah, no, probably not. I mean, I've made out with a few people. Well, that's not even that. I'm talking about. Here's the thing, Bill. When I think of rock. Let me just put it to you like this, Bill. There is a book. There is a book. in here but some people are gonna have to die for first so and it might be me so i might write the book and then let me put you like ron hudson you know just put it out together with my publisher yeah he'll take care of the deaths i think my publicist is all over it she's like you know take this down you're uh i think you're past the point where anyone will ever get mad at you unless you i have to do it quick though before i start forgetting all of it it does start to get your mind moves the furniture i've i've known this because well yeah because like i've known this uh in a way that's undeniable by reading over like notebooks or some diary of something i had and i i remember in my mind i had a like one example i had a memory of like this incident which i would have sworn i would have sold the house on it that it took place in washington dc and it took place in london i was that that was the incident when i read over and somewhere along the way over the years my mind moved that from london notes like did you well at the time i this was i mean this happened 30 years ago and it was at the time i was like take i i did keep like a journal like one like every one few months i would write down like yeah what happened in the last three months i don't know why i was doing i wish i would have done that yeah no i was a pretty good caveman i i've saved a lot of i mean look like see that diana ross yeah and the that's from an album like when they put posters and albums like i i saved that like that elvis see that elvis one that was a poster in an album oh my gosh and i you know you just have them framed and they're like that means so much more they're my mad magazine yes oh mad magazine you know yes yes that was so off limits when i was a kid that and what was the uh what was the precursor uh vanity fair what was the um lampoon no i feel like graydon carter was part of spy spy yeah spike yeah yeah spy was not like mad was like broad mad was broad lampoon was the best that lampoon was truly a brilliant satirical magazine yeah and then spy was arch it wasn't that laugh out loud no it wasn't it was very much more sardonic and much more sort of literate not literate yeah and then spy was arch it wasn't that laugh out loud no it wasn't it was very much more more intellectual it was for it was for mostly upper east side new yorkers you know it was pretty rarefied there but they did some great stuff yeah um and then you know vanity fair i people ask me like what's the like what's a regret or whatever and there's one thing i wish i would have done was to write one sentence at least every day because journaling to me meant writing um like with a project or a song it just felt like work to me so i never journaled i mean on on the odd occasion i would journal but i would journal in the context of i got a record coming out you know a record coming up i need to start thinking about what i'm gonna write about but i would because i can't remember and my tour manager or my manager will bring up stuff and i'll go shit i don't even remember that you know just crazy weird little things along the way makes me mad no i i'm always fascinated by what the mind remembers because it seems to be just absolutely no rhyme or reason to to what like you'll have whole swaths of time will have disappeared but one little thing that happened one night and it wasn't even significant yeah well you'll remember yeah my mom has dementia right now and that is the weirdest thing i've ever seen i mean i've known people but not somebody as close to me as my mom is because i don't know you yeah this is i mean it's just weird between thanksgiving and christmas but what happens is is she is stuck in a moment where she talks a ton but it is it relates to a specific time that none of us really understand she talks about the people in the group and the group is going to be we think it has something to do maybe with her relationship to who she was in our church but it's it's weird but it always comes out in that context and her language her vocabulary is really limited to that specific story now i'm sure it's not that way with all people who have dementia but the brain it's terrifying well you know glenn campbell yes before did you know glenn oh no no i mean i'm no i did not i mean uh well because like were you guys like to no no no i mean our our paths were very far from crossing i mean i was on tv when i was a kid yeah yeah he had a like he had a tv show yeah back in the day when they gave singers like variety hours and you had to do sketches and no i'm born in the wrong period like a wichita lineman and here comes avonda carlisle yes yeah stuff like that welcome nipsey russell he was already you know rhinestone cowboy yeah uh some i love those that was when i was first listening to the radio galveston yeah wichita lineman gentle on my mind gentle on my mind wichita lineman that was just one of the greatest of all time get on my mind lyrically yeah what a what a what a song yeah i mean that one is a killer right poetry that was jim webb jim webb yeah he also did um a lot of great stuff i got to meet him yeah what it's the same amazing oh i thought you were gonna say another guy who tried to just you know just try to pick me up no why not at all you can't blame no no no no not at all no just amazing like i literally was like a student like oh my god i love you so much wow yeah but anyway so yeah when campbell would be like he doesn't know where he is and who he's talking to and then you get on stage and the song like a rhinestone and there was there's something obviously music again the primal thing when you hear the song it triggers something in the brain that it he was able to i mean that's really amazing that somebody in that case could do a concert yes and what's weird about it too is to have it be so rote and then to walk off and not know my mom is an amazing singer and we grew up singing always and last time i was home i got out the great book which is a reader's digest great book and played everything from alfie to um and my mom my mom doesn't really stand so much to the piano sitting next to me on the piano bench and she's singing just like she always did and then she grabs the piano and she stands up and starts really singing and i'm just like oh there she is that's my mom that's my mom she is okay but why alfie no every song from that like burke backerack um it's such a great song all the all the stuff that oh burke backerack i mean please that's when you walk on by i mean she's a great singer and she's a great singer and she's a great singer i mean she was singing like everything i played she knew all the words she even sang moon river you know just oh that's just like her old self it's weird music just like who wrote moon river um mancini mancini henry mancini andy williams i think had the best even before my time yes he did but uh when people say you know three chord rock and roll i always think yeah i guess there's some songs that are good with three chords i'm not gonna but give me burt back rack who always has any day of the week any day now you mean any day of the week but the song any day now oh any day now no yes you just sang it yeah that's yes any day now yes covered by elvis covered by luther vandross any day now yes okay as soon as i walk out of here i'm gonna go like should they employ spotify play me any day now that's burt back rack when it was early i know um great song unbelievable but very always always very unpredictable and again i'm not a musician or anything like that but i've seen the charts and it's not three chords you hear something funny or any chords you ever heard of i did a gig where i got to sing um i got to sing one less bell to answer hold me one last egg to fry we should take it on the road one last man to pick up after i should be happy but all i do is cry that's uh the fifth dimension yeah yes it was yes it was they were so great so i got to sing that and he was playing the piano burt was and he stopped and he's like you don't want to backphrase let's just just sing the melody as it is and i was just like yes sir i mean he's was very not rude right just this is the way the arc of the melody is was written that way and this is how it works and yeah and i got to sing with him after that but i was like he's burt back rack yeah and he deserves that yes and uh yeah i literally was like yeah i will not backphrase i will say i don't even know what that is but yeah you can't go one is about you answer well i think he made it good one less egg to fly i think he made a good call i got Yeah, I don't know. I was just trying to, like, Lady Gaga it. I could see a whole video of that version if I could. That is really. Crazy shit, man. What are some of the songs that, like, I know musicians all like. And, of course, you are a great coverer of songs. What are some of the other ones you cover? Oh, Solitaire? Why do I have that? That's a great song. Yeah, The Carpenters. Oh, it must have been on the. It was on the Carpenters Tribute. Who wrote that song? I don't know. I want to say Paul Williams. You remember that guy? He wrote a lot of them. Yeah. He wrote a couple. I think he did write it. Maybe. Maybe. He wrote a couple of those. He was very. And I'll tell you another cover we did was that Eric Carman song. Oh, I think I know what you mean. Eric Carman. Yeah, I know. It's not. Yeah, okay. It's in there. It's in there. This is what scares me. Do you know what I'm saying? No, no. I mean, honestly, this is what scares me. Disc full. Disc full. Yes, I know. There's no shame in not remembering Eric Carman. Excuse me, Mr. Carman. It was a great record. We loved it. That's why we remember it so fondly. But we can't. Yeah, I can blame marijuana. What's your excuse? No, I need to light it up so maybe I'll remember something. No. But what were you going to say about it? Oh, you covered that. Covered it. And it was such a good song. What else did you cover? Oh, you covered I Want You Back. Why do I have that? Was that on a soundtrack or something? No, that was on 100 Miles to Memphis. Oh, 100. Right. Oh, really? Right, okay. Twice. 100 Miles to Memphis. When I had you to my love, I didn't want you around. I can remember being a kid and- Did you do that as a tribute? No, I did it when we were getting ready to cut something. And the band was like, oh my gosh, you've got to put that on. You've got to put that on the record. I was like, oh. And then I did it. This guy, Kid Rock, I'm back to Kid Rock. Yeah. His version of Sugar Pie Honey Buns. Do you know it? Oh, really? No. You don't? On what? I don't know. His 21st Century albums. Like, when he first came out, I was not into it. I mean, I was never into the brash personality full on. Although I love him. He was here also. Looks like everybody you know was here. Yeah, I know. My entire, like, Rolodex. Rolodex was here. And he's a real, like, we both, okay, he is who he is. But just separate that from the music. If we can do it with Wagner, we can do it with Kid Rock. Yeah. Okay. Wagner, Kid Rock. Yeah, it's just very similar. And I'm sure Kid Rock would take that as a compliment. He'd be like. But just the music. Like, there's no, I love his records. There's no music that, like, takes me back to being 16. That is his genius. Like, he has so many songs. Where, you know, your girlfriend's on your shoulders. And, you know, you're listening to ACDC or whatever the references are. And the first kiss. You know, like, he has so many songs. If you want to get back into that feeling good, like, that kind of good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is my boy. He does do that. When I worked with him on that song Picture, I came home at Christmas time. And I was telling my parents. Been working with this guy named Bobby Richie, Kid Rock. He's such a nice person. Got a great family, a lot like ours. He's very close to his family. And I said, he's really, you know, huge. He had this song called Cowboy. Yeah. I'm like, oh, well, play us some of his stuff. We'd love to hear some of it. No, you wouldn't. And so, they bought the CD. And the very last song. We get almost to the last song. And I was like, that's good. That's all you need to hear. Because the last song is called Black Pussy, I believe is what it was called. Right, I'm sure it was. Yes. And so, I did a couple of gigs with them. One of which was in St. Louis. And my whole family came. And they watched me play. And then they came backstage. And I was like, okay, well, y'all can go now. No, we want to stay for some of Kid Rock. And I'm thinking, hey, dancing girls. You know, the whole, they enjoyed about four or five songs. I've heard that his concerts are like Trump rallies. I mean, with the flags and everything. You know, look, again, not for me. For me. Yeah. Don't get it. Can't ever convince you, Kid Rock, to come to my side. I know that would be futile and stupid. So, let's just not talk about what we don't agree with. Yeah, you just do what you do with all of your relatives. Yes, and get along. Exactly. That's what, I'm always making that comparison. In your family, you would never ask someone to just not be. To take down their confederate flag. Not be who they are. Yeah. No, it's true. And the three most important words in any relationship are not, I love you. They're, let it go. Let it go. Yeah, I agree with that. Well, maybe I oversold that, but let it go is very important. Let it go or maybe four words, shut the fuck up. No, I'm kidding. Well, if you're at the place where you have to tell someone to shut the fuck up, you know, that's one good thing I feel about getting older that I learned along the way. It's like you don't waste time, you know, where you can tell where it's, you know, where it's going. Yeah, and what could possibly work and what couldn't. And there's no, no use throwing good love after bad. There's another title. I love it. I'm telling you. You're good. Oh, I know you're a blue jay. You're gathering for your nest, culture vulture. You can have them all. It would be an honor. And I guess I should let you go. Oh, my God. So much fun. I love hanging out with you, man. Thank you so much, Cheryl Crow, my rock star. We need to hang out when the cameras aren't on us, okay? I will. We have many things to talk about. And yet it would be no different, would it? Actually, no, it would not be any different. 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