She's A Slut And An Entrepreneur

Hey everyone, welcome to the Curious Girl Diaries podcast. I'm Layla London, aka the Curious Girl. Now just to let you know, this podcast is not suitable for work. It's also not suitable for anybody under 18. But the rest of you consenting adults, let's get ready to talk about my sex life, sex in general, and everything in between. An explicit, raunchy, fun, detail. Alright, here we go. [Music] I want to know, are you still stripping? No, it was a very short lived moment, but it was the door that tapped in. It opened the hallway to my sucking empire. There's two ways to not be like. One, be successful, and two, have an opinion. And you're treading in both those areas right there. So at some point you just have to say, fuck it. I'm not just going to run, just rip random dudes off the street and fuck up for stories to recant. Or maybe. Or maybe, that's right, no, that's in the private pod. Were you going to share this, Ibian? Play. What is the Sivian? [Laughter] Oh, a Shedder's Sivian! Now here's a fun little question. If you could write yourself the best review you've ever received, the best five star review, what would it say? Thank you, God, it's a very sacrifice in your soul to us. [Laughter] Five stars! [Music] Hey everyone, welcome to the Curious World R-Ease podcast. I am Layla. Well, it's another exciting Saturday with some great guests. I have got the host of the podcast, "Sletra Prenuer." And they've been much gone from the champagne room to the board room. Like the stripper CEO, she has turned herself into a professional goddess. And she's been featured in Forbes. She's a sex shop owner, a viral TikToker, an author. She loves to talk about the ups and downs of running multiple hustles. And she says, "Join the Pussy Empowerment Movement and earn your PhD and CEO a trade." I'll see. We're the Sletra Prenuer. And now we have two Sletra Prenuers. And actually, I consider myself a Sletra Prenuer too. Yes, you said you are. Yes, welcome. Welcome to the Curious World R-Ease. Thank you. We're so happy to be here. The recent co-host edition, she helps manage the professional goddess entity. And we could not scale without us as a team. And it's great to have some of the finally balanced ideas off of, instead of sitting in my dark closet, crying into a microphone, recording it. Yeah. No, I love that. I don't know if you know this, but I came across your podcast several, I believe a couple of the things I wanted to go. It seems like it feels like in my memory banks. And I started listening and I was just like, at the time I wasn't having guests on it, I don't believe. And I was just like, but I bookmarked it because I was just like, this chick knows what she's doing. And I love her hustle because, and your tenacity, because the two things working today, this is why I'm so excited to have bold if you want, because we get to talk about the two things that get me the weddest. Good sex. And business. That's insane. Yeah. This is like, this is going to be fun. This is bringing it all together for me. It's a full circle moment. So just, I want to know, let's go back. You were stripping. Are you still stripping? It was a very short-lived moment, but it was the door that tapped in. It opened the hallway to my fucking empire. And it's where you say you learn the base of your business foundation. It's where you learn that basic hustle to scale it. And that I was the ultimately I was the brand. I didn't need to attach myself to anything that I could just reach out and take what was mine. Absolutely. So take me back. Like, there had to be that moment where you had that light bulb moment, that aha moment where you're like, you know what? I'm the one that runs this shit. It's not the guy that owns this place that I come to. It's not the guy's giving me the money. It's me. It's about me. When did you have that moment? It sounds silly, but it was, we're driving two hours home from the club, my friend and I. And it's that 3 a.m. moment when you're pulling in to McDonald's and you can get anything you want off the menu, even though you're not going to eat it all. And then you go to the ATM and insert dollar by dollar and you're standing there for 30 minutes just cackling. And that was the, like, my moment in a way. I know it sounds silly, but having a full wallet and the ease of utilizing myself as a tool, I realized then, like, oh, I can walk in anywhere and get whatever I want. And not so bad or guilty. I earned it. It's mine. How high can I go? Yeah. I love that. So what got you in just dripping? So that might be obvious reasons, but it's just like what got you. Well, it's definitely not the path for everyone. And I think a lot of times when you ask anyone what their occupation is, it's kind of like the job presents itself or it's someone you know. And for me, it was not being able to drive because I had to do why I was selling my clothing on eBay and kind of flipping and hustling on eBay. That was a big thing when I was in high school. So once I got my DIY, I couldn't drive. I started to do that to make money until I had a friend who was a stripper who didn't have a car and it was kind of a match made in heaven. So I hustled home during the day, then we'd go dance at night. So I was kind of running two little side hustles at the same time and it just took traction because I just put so much energy into it. I decided not to go to college that I could make $100 a day on eBay and then a few thousand here and there dancing. And I was just having a really good time and the internet was evolving. We had Instagram. We had free marketing. Started going viral because young sexy women, that's what people want to see. And numbers prove that. Then Etsy came about so I kind of shifted into like, "Hey, I'll start my own clothing brand. I'm creative. I'm good at Photoshop. I knew how to market." And it was just such a piece of cake for me. I educated myself every turn if I had a hurdle. And then I got off Etsy, made my own domain and then there was that fork in the road. As should I keep dancing? Should I keep can modeling or should I focus all on my business? But all my ex and my baskets for the business, it scaled nearly a thousand percent with any year, made my first million at 21. And this kind of led to the next four years of mental health issues, huge responsibility, stress, no social life, isolation. So once I found TikTok, I found some more joy and started talking about some of my cam experiences and dancing and stripping experiences because they went so viral and it was something people weren't doing in a comedic way. So that brought me so much joy and happiness and all at the same time we're kind of building a team and dipping my toes in the water and hiring. So I had all the ingredients in front of me. It was what was I going to do with this viral TikTok, how I was going to make money off of it. And I decided to fully immerse myself back into sex work for A for fun and B, it was just a continued learning opportunity to then start creating, providing education for beginner sex workers. I'm sure we'll talk about the way I saw it. Oh yeah, we're going to, it was the whole decade of like navigating here through social media and dancing. Yeah. Yeah. When TikTok doesn't take down everybody, are you posted for showing your collarbones? Yeah. I start posting on TikTok, I have a TikTok you can't. I just haven't posted anything on it for the Curious Girl Diaries and because I like everyone else get taken down, then I'm going to come in. I'm going to ask everybody like, what's the best advice you got for this? How can I navigate around this bullshit? It's make yourself as PG as possible. We use like blades of grass to showcase our joint holders. We'll put like a little like leaf in it and say it's a toothpick holder. Like you have to go so above and beyond. We bring the range, the spelling of every word. Yes. Right. Right. Yeah, I bet. And what made you decide to start a podcast? Do you remember when I started? I think I found your podcast when you were probably within the first maybe like 10 episodes. So I wasn't as soon as it started. But you saw I was like trying to work it out. I just had that feeling. I don't know if you remember it that time where it drove him, it was becoming more popular. People were getting a lot more like raw information through a podcast that wasn't censored. And I was like, oh my god, if I don't do this now, it's going to be like YouTube where you start too late. And I just knew it. And I was there so many other apps around them. I think was the app where you just like talk to other people. It's like push. So it was, we didn't know where to go with the brand. And slushpreneur was like my diary was, I already was putting myself out there 90%. It was that extra 10% that people didn't see. And I wasn't really promoting it because it was for me and they give the people what they want is to stay. Yeah. What your podcast, when did you start that? Life has a funny way of me not remembering what day or year. When I found you a couple years ago and because you had some stuff up, but he wasn't like, you didn't have like a huge plan. No, I could see the way you were going. I was like, I like her. She's smart. I see what she's doing. Yeah. I mean, I can stop that stuff right away. I see where she's going. I know one. And I think caller daddy was getting a lot of press. And I was like, they aren't even a wrong sheet. I mean. - I don't know. I just, it's kind of the current mainstream version of the subject that everybody can recall in order to like see you scammer ties. But that doesn't make him the bitch. (laughs) - It gave me the competitive creativity that helps us thrive. - Yeah, that helps fuel that, right, that drive. You need that. You know what? I always say for me, it's world domination. I mean, it's not just, yeah, that's my goal. It's not just, you could say like, if you looked like who's the top sex podcaster that sex with Emily, but I'm like, that's not good enough. I want Joe Rogan has a target on his back. He may not know it, but he does. Like, I love you, Joe, but I'm coming for you. You're gonna have to share the space. - It looks true, and I think that's one of my biggest fear about becoming more successful is the target. And just having three two Instagram accounts, two TikToks, at least engagement up in the millions get just ripped away from us without any community guideline violations. It just shows there's a target on your back, whether it's competitors or people who aren't sex positive or weed positive or any female positive. - These platforms are also to the point where if they're so coded, but if someone's just falsely recording your account as well, but it happens so many times or by so many accounts, then it's just gonna auto trigger things. - Yeah, they say that they review every appeal and every everything. - They do not. It's a bunch of different robots. - That's a lot of shit. - Yeah, no, that's a lot of shit. I got on Facebook, I got flagged for a girl. She was just looking at ice cream cone. It's a vanilla ice cream cone. That's it. Just her looking at ice cream cone. She was clothed. And I like the suggestedness of it. And I'm like, oh, well, maybe Facebook doesn't, maybe they're racist, maybe they don't like vanilla. - 'Cause Zuckerberg just sucks. - I don't know. I'm saying that to be flip. I mean, it's just stupid. - You can't keep up with the ridiculousness of it. - Can they favoritism the larger creators? And if the larger creators are giving a playbook of what's acceptable when the young, when the people with less followers, I mean, like that and they get penalized for it. And don't get answers just to FAQ section. - Yeah, I mean, you can scroll all through TikTok and we find accounts after accounts of girls and bikinis and just shaking around everything and like big verified creators, that the thing is 'cause they're verified and there's a contract signed on the back end. But like that at its base should not be the differentiation to make that okay. If it can be okay on the platform. And this way, it can be okay on the platform too, ever. - Yeah, it's just like with anything. I mean, if you really look in history, any kind of good business model, anything that's, there are things that are just too big to fail. When the back in 2008, 2009, the banks got propped up, they were too big, too big to fail. Nothing's, now the government's not gonna let them go down. The, you know, you look at someone like Joe Rogan, he's untouchable. You know, Spotify is, he's not in danger no matter what the guy says right now of being booted from Spotify. So to me, just the messages, you have to just get too big to fail. You have to get too, you have to get big enough that they can't do anything about you one way or the other. And that's like Elon Musk buying Twitter, you know. - Well, do we hear it now? - And Elon Musk, I mean, like, I am going back. Now Twitter is, Twitter has been a little bit of a thorn in my side because all of a sudden every post I get, gets marked with something. And I don't know how I ended up in that category. You let everybody post nudity, I'm not posting nudity. I've never posted nudity, nothing against it. Just not, that's not what I do. And now, I mean, I'm still on there. Like you can see on my stuff, but every time I get, I post something, it says, you know, we mark this like, - This is sensitive. - It's sensitive, because it may contain sensitive content. And like, I've already marked my site as-- - Yeah, I told you it was. I was like, let's just keep reminding you that you are sensitive content. - I had an issue, I created on my TikTok, I do a lot of like, 420 content. So I created an Instagram account the other day and made it Hazy Days Live. And then I've gotten like three or four emails where Instagram was like, oh, we accidentally deactivated your account and it's reactivated now. But they've just like, it's done it for several days and around. And I'm just like, okay, I guess I'm gonna scrap this one. - Yeah. - Well, I know, I don't know. Although I am excited, I am excited that Elon Musk bought Twitter. I'm, you know, I am that, I'm like, good. - I just wanted to see what changes. Even more, I thought it was fake when I thought on the internet and then I checked his Twitter. He then tweeted that next he was gonna buy Coca-Cola to set the cocaine back in. I thought that was just edited on the internet and then it was him. He tweeted it, it was his account. - I think he's being facetious. I think it's a jab at all the people who are like upset that after they've been censoring the fuck out of everything that he's gonna censor stuff. You know, it's like really? You know, like, come on. - He is so sensitive. - I really do. - And that's the thing, that's my point. It's like the guy can say anything he wants. He can do anything he wants. He's intacheable. So I follow that lead. I'm like, yeah, I'll just create that category for myself. That's some point. So, okay. So you just decided to start the podcast. It was like last 10%. If you could write yourself the best review you've ever received, the best five star review. What would it say? - That's a great question. Thank you, goddess, for sacrificing your soul to us. Five stars. - Pretty much. - Okay, there we go. - Yeah. - I know, 'cause it is a lot of work. People look at all this stuff and it's fun and it's entertaining. And there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes. But that's the beauty of what you guys are doing. You're also, I think, you're trying to educate other entrepreneurs and other selecter-prenuers, you know, how to do it. And I love that. I think that's so needed in this space. In this genre that we're in. And then, you know, especially focused on women. 'Cause men are capitalizing on anything sort of in the sexuality, under the sexuality umbrella. Pretty well, I'd say. - But I miss every umbrella. - Right, right. And so I really, again, that's why I was like, I like this woman. Yeah, I was just checking out or stuff. I'm like, could I have in here? - I wanted to add, I think when you're putting yourself out there being so vulnerable, you're pretty much inviting judgment. And when you are blatantly publicly on the record of the "Midding Mistakes," it takes so much, not fearless. It takes so much bravery. And it's hard 'cause you get the feedback. It's like, thank you that's touched me so much. And then the other ones who claim like you're an expert, they talk to you as if you're a doctor and you got it wrong. And so it's hard when you don't claim to be. And I like that we correct each other here. And we don't say, like, this is the right way. With every opinion or experience we have, we know that everyone is always different. And I think that's really important in these podcast spaces that are geared toward one niche because these beginners are listening and you're shaping their, they're like our children. So as a parent, you have to present as if you know what you're talking about, but sometimes I come in and I'm like, what are we doing on the show today? Like, how do I pronounce this word? Is this politically correct? And it's very fearful and it definitely, it takes a lot of bravery even just to get on live in front of your camera to take a selfie, but that first step to show who you are, every authentic piece of you as you are. I think that's what makes it special, but nerve-wracking. - Yeah, I learned this a long time ago in business. One, be successful and two, have an opinion. (laughing) And do your best to do you. And I think that you're proving that, you're doing that. You guys are doing that. So I love to see this female, led business, and especially like I said, in this area, because it has been very male dominated, which does not seem strange that our sexuality is male dominated. - Well, we have the ability to manipulate men and power because of our sexuality. So they have to suppress the control that we have over them. I think women in history have changed politics and swayed things because of what we have to offer. And I think as women we know that, that sometimes we have no other choice, but to utilize that because we know it has value in a sense. - Yeah, no, for sure. I've said that countless times, I think on my podcast. I think women don't wanna discuss that. They don't want to admit, I don't know why, they don't wanna admit the power that your aesthetic has to a man and what that can get you and how you can leverage that. And I don't mean leverage that in a way that you're writing someone's co-tales. I just mean that you're an educated person. You understand how people see you and relate to you and how they react to you. And using what you have, all the tools in your tool belt to get where you're going and what you want is fine. And so to say, oh no, I've never leveraged my sexuality or my aesthetic. - Right, I mean a man's gonna-- - Would be a lie and it's not a shit. And for me it's not a shameful thing. It's like, yep, sure have, but I've also worked harder than I run circles around most people when it comes to working and work ethic. So there you go. - Well, it's, I mean, being sexual or beautiful or any desirable to men, it's basically a skill that's on your resume that, or it's almost like a bossful, If that is a skill, if you are. pretty and beautiful, then they prefer you to work for them or be the face of their company. So it's like it's instilled at us that we have to actively be beautiful. You know, our dads and our elders above us basically say our worth is prove it on how nice and pretty we are when we're kids. So we just kind of take that into our adulthood and it's as it becomes a survival skill. That's why so many women are trying to marry for money because I mean that's what we were told and then men say we're gold diggers for it and it's there's no win so you might as well do what you can do to end you up the best. I think we'd all do that. Why would you? Yeah absolutely. I had did an episode long time ago where I had a friend of mine on it and I said I believe if every woman had five million dollars in her bank account there'd be a lot less married women. Absolutely because women are married for financial stability and often being equal you wouldn't be seeing these young women with these older, much older men where aesthetically they don't match up. She's not thinking he's that cute. She's about the money. If she had her own she wouldn't be like bothering with him but that's the thing. I this is why I just love what you guys are doing because women can be very empowered when they have when they're in control their own finances and they have their own money and they make their own money and they realize I don't want to say that it's not hard to do. I mean let me be careful what I say that it's very empowering and it's just. Well individuality itself is so hard to attain. It seems like like we talked about the moment you say fuck it everything changes and I think in everyone's life that moment you say fuck it the later it comes the the more you kind of look back and regret and what she said fuck it earlier. So I think when you embrace that individuality and entire life changes it's like when you go through a breakup and you're like oh I forgot who I was. Yeah now my life's different and we some of us we never fall in love with ourselves and truly love who we are so we're missing out on what the little girl inside us really wants and the little girl and me was literally dancing on a bucket in her backyard at all times to Britney Spears because I just wanted to be seen and heard and let my beautiful energy flow through people because it made them happy and now I can pay my bills and make a livable wage doing the same thing that I loved to do as a little girl yeah more appropriately now. I love that you brought that that little girl moment up because I'll tell you what for me it started with the little girl thing too like I was always taught I could do anything I put my mind to my parents didn't put any limitations on me and they were on to the newers which help but so they would always set like they always set my mind in the right way because kids here know a lot they hear no no no I think you hear it's nine knows to everyone yes and your brain is such a powerful thing and if you hear yes or I'm not sure but how should we fix this or how do you want to solve this or how are you going to earn that money or how it's how you change your vocabulary because your brain is really it's a problem solver but the minute you say no it stops trying to solve the problem and so my parents would always say like if I wanted something outrageous they'd say well that's a really good goal how are you going to earn that and we would sit down and they would help me come up with a plan wow I feel I should earn and get that and I feel like it's one of the thing you know it's like I tell this because I know there's a lot of parents that listen you know people that have children like it's so important to just even if it's the craziest idea don't say no just say well that's really interesting how are you going to do that and let them work it out or help them work it out even if it's crazy and you can't really do it let their minds be set on that and the other thing was I was just always told can say anything you want the smile on your face that's my dad that's my dad telling right because you could just be like you're just such a jack yeah I'm just fucking hate you but you just instilled that and you like this is the way you know pretty girl can get away with anything you should watch with a smile on her face you brought up the two qualities that your parents instilled in you which critical thinking and the having like solution based thinking it's kind of been a reoccurring theme having a team when we encounter these problems desires goals we have and it's easy to harp on what worked wrong who did what but the goal at the end of the day is this not why did this happen to me but why did this happen for me yeah and what can we do to make this better in the future and it's actually really exciting and empowering experience so the way you can touch base the childhood in that way and how it's healthy build healthy habits is what we want to educate to everyone to keep passing on it makes the problem so much easier yes and as you know in what you're doing and what the field that we're in it just uh it's riddled with challenges and even on on urine like in the back and on the computer sometimes it's customers or orders or the platform itself yes yeah so how did the two of you meet and what made you guys decide to become the calling you the dynamic slutcherpreneur duo well thank you the dynamics that just this i'll say this one the clean uh so first i found her online it was pandemic i had been furloughed from my job i was online finally decided i was going to download TikTok i came across a video and she was like she had just gotten her house clean and then she like looked her counter and like a little wild but like it intrigued me so then i just started going to more of her content and it's like it just resonated with me i i could just feel that there was something there with this person i was like how like you said when you first found the podcast like you could tell it was someone that was motivated and yeah i had to shift together and was tracking through every day kind of funny kind of funny yes ma'am you are very funny uh very funny very smart so then there hit a point where a facebook group for the slutcherpreneur's and she put up a post and she was like i don't even think so much in the next couple days and my ass hit every damn i could i was like i am not a sex worker but i have this skill and this skill and this skill that i think i could use to help so then i got to reply i think like that night or the next day or something and after a quick little conversation i was thrown into a group chat of moderators after a while unfortunately that facebook group is gone dark and we will start again or just another another thing to do with yeah yeah and to overcome but then when right after we had started the whole moderator group to the facebook group we got on a zoom call just so we could all kind of meet face to face just put a face to the name of who we were working with and that was when i think you were already she had been doing all of her stores from her house through the pandemic and then into the pandemic they switched to a fulfillment center locally um that source several different stores and fulfilled things but on that call it was mentioned that already after a month or so they realized that they needed to or had been find an actual warehouse to buy that is her space to fulfill and do out of um just because they grew so quickly yeah i remember seeing a video there was like 25 thousand dollars of bongs and dildos that showed up and she was on this big ass box that didn't fit in their their fulfillment center yeah so as soon as i heard bongs and dildos what a combo as soon as i heard that she was buying her own warehouse i actually have a lot of retail and management up to like warehouse administrative management so i created a like three or four page document with any anything i could think of that could help warehouse that could help commerce that could help selling ordering anything i put it together and i sent it off and then probably all of a sudden a month or so her COO and i got on the phone and i also kind of expressed that my husband and i were at a point where we were planning on moving at some point soon but we hadn't necessarily nailed it down and i was probably three hours away from where she lived yeah thankfully when i found her online like it was a very close thing and that's also as soon as my mind real like i figured out where she was located i looked at my husband and i was like i don't know how yet but i'm to work for just so you know you're gonna pack your bags i'm gonna figure it out you got the man though yeah and then i did yeah um so i sent all that stuff uh COO and i talked and i was like hey like i'm absolutely be willing to relocate down there and to work with the brands and then hubs like packed up and not only did i move down to be the brand manager of the entertainment company but hubs is also the assistant warehouse manager here so was able to secure him a job as well which works out perfectly for us yeah and i hope i've just been doing good since i've been here i'm almost out of year of being here physically i was already working for like a little over half a year remotely and we've just been powering through literally the week i got here we dropped the book for the first time so first we got us here we dropped the book and we haven't stopped since yeah yeah a hell got a race we got her a little office well also sort of an assistant pretty much yeah and it's she's gonna leave the team as a girl so it's exciting to teach someone how to run the train and it's it leaves so much of the business stress for me so I can actually create and have my content come up. Yes. A way of doing it too. Yeah, and then we were, since I'm on the entertainment side compared to the stores, like, Hornie's Donor, Blades, Alien. I was already working on the back end of setting up the podcast and everything, and there was one time that we sat down to record and I was in the room and she was like, "I feel like I want to bat something," during that feel free. And I was like, "Has it been a little bit at first?" I just wanted to overstep, but then by the end, we were bouncing off of each other and we closed the recording and she was like, "I think I want you to be my co-host." And I was like, "Help me." I think I want that too. Well, when we do live a lot and she's a moderator on TikTok Live's Instagram, sometimes while I'm for an hour, and she helps me feel safe and confident to keep going when I have an unsure low moment. So I just saw the feature and that show we had and it just made sense. It's got to grow. It's hard to talk to yourself. And I'll talk all day. Yes, you know. I've been doing it for six years. That's why I switched the format originally when I started the show. It was only supposed to be for a year. It has changed and morphed. And when I first changed it and decided I'm going to stay on, it was really, I had said I'm not staying on because it's not sustainable. The format that I entered into this with is just not sustainable over time. And I don't want to be under that pressure. And it was because, you know, it was about my sex life and producing content around that. I'm not just going to go out and just rip random dudes off the street and fuck them for stories to recant. Or maybe. Or maybe. That's right. No, that's in the private pod. You've got to pay for that. Anyway, so I just had to then reformulate it and rework it. And I've slowly been doing that over time. But one of the things during growth mode that I discovered as well is like, shit, it's boring to sit and talk to myself all the time. So I adjusted my format where I do two releases a week. One is just me. And then the other one I bring guests on. So that's a lot of it. Really, it helped because yeah, just sitting there and talking to your talking, coming up with topics and having a one-sided conversation. It's right. It brings so much value to have someone, regardless of what side they are. And it's just, I think it shows a lot about the host as a world of bring out something different. It totally does. Yeah, absolutely. That's why I like interviewing people. And I like having them interview me because you bring out something that I haven't talked about before. I haven't thought of, you know. And it's also relatable a lot. Okay. So what does the sledge of manure like stand for overall? What's your mission with this company? It's more of a community, like first and foremost, it's a community. It's let's see, like, to make money, I say. Period. And then with the take-talk and people being so curious, like, the process behind sex work, it just made sense to give some sort of a guide because if you don't have someone holding your hand that really knows what they're talking about, you can be led down a dark and scary path. It could change your life. I mean, talk about blackmail and stalking later down the road when your image is on the internet and safety. It just, it came to me like, people are aimlessly doing what I tell them to do. Like, we need to make sure this is right. Yeah. So that's when, like, when we started doing the books, we thought it would take a month when I had an editor and we just kept editing and adding and adding because things kept changing and a year later, we finally put it out and still update the stuff, but it was stuff. But I was on YouTube doing, spending five, six hours a week filming and then another few hours editing, getting not even 500 views. You make a take-talk and it engages a million people and you can make like a hundred sales in a day. So we utilize take-talk, we utilize the education, but we really, I think, promoting the community and saying, like, hey, everyone follows me. We're all in this together. Like, common engage. We have a discord group where people can just come in and chat, whether you're a mom, the first timer and expert and like immediate advice, the podcast is all resources and the first two years, and it made a dime. It was purely, let's get the people's trust before we feel confident enough to, if they're paying for something, it's our duty to make sure it's correct as much as we can. So that's kind of where we're right now. What's the one thing you recommend, like you were talking about, there's some dark roads that if people don't know what they're doing, they could get stuck in. As far as, you said, like, with your images out there, how do you, I guess what's the best advice you would give to somebody starting about the kinds of images they're going to be putting out there on the internet? Because it is, it's pretty much forever. And I think people have to really kind of realize that, like, once it's out there, it's out there. So off the top of your head, what are some, like, the safety to recall some of the first things I think about, even just go to the basics of when you're, like, setting up your accounts and whatnot. Like, some people don't realize they need to make a new email address. So their account isn't connected to everything else. Their families, their families, their everything. And also just one of the biggest things I feel like people run into when their starting sets work is you get them barbed in with a lot of scams in your inboxes. It's constant, it's bots, you eat so much. And they're not always going to be scammers. So it's really trying to figure out how to navigate those and how, like, what payment processes are okay if they're like, "Oh, hey, give me." I need your this number because I need to do a direct payment, like, red flag, no. Like, even just some people don't realize basic signs to be able to navigate and get through setting up your things right, protecting your content. A lot of people probably don't realize they can set up like a VPN or set up restrictions. So people in your state don't see your content or we can block off like a state your family lives in to kind of ensure that your general circle and radius around you isn't accessing that content. You've got some distance. You've got a little bit more of a like, a security and especially an online sex work. Every layer of security you can add is important and it's going to just feel more, more secure. Yeah. It's a common thing where a lot of women with children, I hear this more often, that their son's friend finds their page, tells the son and so on, or the son tells friends parents. So they're in it's an easy, well, I want to suggest the easy face. So even just the privacy settings on your phone, not allowing your contacts to sync with any app because the moment, you know, your mom sends a tick-tock to the kid, even just in pure fun has nothing to do with the mom's anonymous account. All of a sudden, the son is going to be getting the algorithm towards whoever sent the videos and who's in their contacts. So it's just this domino effect that could potentially get your content to someone you know. So getting a different phone, different laptops to, you know, different IP addresses, VPNs, and then also when you're mailing items because we, a big part of our business is selling weird things on the internet and have a cell pan, these and socks and extremely strange things. So when you're, yeah, the trash. So when you're mailing the trash, you want to send it to your buyer, but your return address also needs to be the buyer's address. So that he doesn't have your address. Yeah. So there's ways to do that with certain websites and we have this, you know, step by step. And like you said, with the payment methods, if you, someone sends you a cash shop for your needs, you don't want them to put news and your cash shop gets taken down and then all of a sudden you no longer have ever had access to cash shop or for a few use an Amazon wish list. Somebody can go in and make it look like they bought everything and that's their payment for the content you're going to give them, but they turn around and cancel it and you just put all your time and effort into this content for them and you actually don't get paid. So anyways, if you read the book, you'd know that and then you could take your time to set up and feel confident and say, can know what would happen if you, you know, speed through certain things. Anyone can reverse search an image, so make sure you're not using content that you, it's on your Facebook page, your location isn't targeted. Anything on that. That's a big thing. I know I, I, I never, it's, I have a, I'm very careful about, because I've stayed anonymous. So I'm very careful about, if I do post an image, it's usually like my face, like kind of a little bit obscured. So like, you wouldn't really be able to pick me out like straight on. And you have no tattoos, you know, we could say like, hey, get some yards shaped tape and cover that tattoo basis if it's you trying to not. Oh yeah, there's a few brands. You can, as long as you apply it, right, you can put on some makeup and fully cover it. Yeah. And I do, I do want to know if anyone's listening, this might be really important. There is, there are DMCA takedowns, which is a right for content creators that is one of the biggest rights that we've succeeded to have. So if read it or another website, it is one of the call it when people are like kind of dopsing you. Yeah, if someone's sharing any of your content that is not there is to share. So at the bottom of red, you'll see like a DMCA takedown link. Most of these sites have them, PornHub, etc. So search your, you know, only fans use their names. If any other sites have a copy them pasted, you can contact only fans. They'll get it removed for you because technically they own the rights to it. You can just threaten someone with doing the DMCA takedown. They should take it down. And then you can also hire agencies or companies to screen the internet for any and all of your content. And this also gives you huge piece of mind. But if you're fucking worried about people finding out, assume they're gonna find out how to suck in game plan, or just don't take the risk if you're not willing for that scenario to happen, otherwise you're shooting yourself in the foot. Yeah, because you can be as safe as you can, you can plan all day on how to keep this away, but you never know who's gonna subscribe or who's gonna randomly just get pushed your game do. So, yeah, it's have to be running. And what will you do if someone you know is subscribe and they're in your DMs saying, "I know you" and threatening you to do things or they'll out you, you have to think about those scenarios. That's happened to me on live cam. It's fucking scary and it traumatizes you. And then, I mean, you start feeling like you're watched. I mean, people have come obsessed with you because you're getting paid to act like you're obsessed with them. Yeah. Well, there are a lot of weirdos out there. I haven't even gotten into the realm that you're discussing, but just from my voice, people, I've had my fair share of stalkers. I, in the beginning, you're talking about security. Didn't, there was some, didn't set things upright where people couldn't, again, I had too much information. They put it together, found my home address. I found this guy on my back deck when I was like, "Oh my god!" And just, "Yes." "Bricky, Ricky, call the police." Of course. Yes. "Did they get him?" Oh, yeah. He left before they got, yeah. I was just like, "And it scares the shit out of you." And I just got now the shower. I'm like, "What do you know?" He was. Yeah, sometimes I'm friends. I'm good. Did it reach out to you after anything? No. Did you get security cameras? I got a whole lot of shit after that. Like, now, like, literally don't even step foot in my home. I will shoot you where you stand. Like, there's no day when we fully rid you our full security. Yeah. But I want an armed guard at the door. And we have to. Listen, I don't know what the guys' intentions were. However, you know, when you find someone in your backyard, they didn't knock on the front door and. It was not for any good reason. There's no good reason. At the time, I had these really large, it was my dining room, and then you could push the big huge glass doors and open out onto this massive deck. He's just standing there. And they were open because it's my backyard. And it was a nice spring day. And I wanted the breeze to come in. That's the whole point of having all that. And there's the guy. And I'm like, there's just no barrier between him and me. And I just got now the shower. And I had my hair wrapped up in a towel. I think it was clothes when I walked through the kitchen. But a lot of times I wouldn't. So the dining room a lot of times I wouldn't be. It's my own damn house. So anyway, it was definitely taught me a big lesson. And very quickly after that, that at the time one of the guys I was seeing worked for, he was high on the security team for Apple. So he was like, I'm like, go through this. And he went through and just buttoned everything up for me to make sure that that couldn't happen again. But yeah, I mean, there's just weird, weird shit that happens. And so you have to, you know, protecting yourself is is important. So I've read your book, but I would recommend to anybody that's thinking about. We haven't broken up in e-books as well. You just are looking for a certain pocket of information. But I feel like all this frustration is, you know, it's like sex education. It's so frustrating in school. And then you just throw into the sharks to try to figure out how to navigate sex. They don't even talk about work and how to orgasm. So then when it comes to sex work, again, you're being thrown to the wolves. And it's even scarier. Because when a guy is paying for something, they feel entitled to your body, even without, sometimes without consent. So it's very frightening and seeing the comments and reactions to my content. That's when it hit like a deeper note, like, oh my god, this isn't just for fun. This isn't just for joy. This is actually value that could change the community. So now it's like a duty that we have. And then with only fans, almost boycotting sex were altogether. I was reached out by news outlets and I was like, oh my god, I'm advocate now. My voice for the community, do I have the qualifications for this? Impostor syndrome. I know. We all get that impostor syndrome, but no, you absolutely are. So now it's like, when do we do politics? Because that's the most dangerous the virtual sex work space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So only way. What are your friends and family think about all this? Do they know everything? What is your family think about your boss? My family's fine. I told my parents kind of like, we were moving here for, and they're like, okay, I haven't really told. Hubses family. Yeah, we've got some old southern Nana in the family. Yeah. No, I'm not going that topic. But I would also say whenever I told any of like my friends, were the people that knew me that I was moving here and like, what everything here was and I can't believe they all went. Yeah, that sounds right. That sounds like that's, yep. I mean, I definitely, I didn't know it was going to all of my career paths aren't promised. So I pick and choose what I tell people, you know, I can say I'm a serial entrepreneur. I work with e-commerce companies. I have a fulfillment center or a therapy guy. I'm like, oh, I sell knives and self-defense items. And this is a user. I'm going to talk to him. How if it's like a cute girl that I'm flirting with? I'm like, yeah, I sell sex toys. I sell sex toys when I'm an influencer in a market. Yeah. I know. Where was my grandfather? So I'm like, yeah, I sell just clothing and accessories, but alien outfiters are cool. So it's nice to pick and choose, but for the close family, I've kind of added myself to them on my podcast. So I have an episode with my mom, my brother. Kind of hinted at it because I wasn't go-go to answer they knew about the stripping. So they've kind of come accustomed with me being a self-expression of crazy on the internet. So I kind of just moved it in that direction and told them the numbers. And it's unfortunate that you kind of have to say, like, oh, it's a lot of money for people to take it seriously. But they were both really proud and my biggest supporters and my dad who works in the church, he knows about me selling adult toys and products, which has actually opened him up more than me, which is kind of nice. But as far as life's selling news and like the explicit, explicit stuff, I'm sure his mind wanders there, but I'm never going to be like, hey, dad, I spread my pussy. Yeah. This is what I do. You better like it. Well, he also at first wanted a copy of her book. Yes. No, sorry. Yeah, there's just some, you know, really you don't want it. feminine photos in there that I rather not. He was like, okay, understand. Yeah, you can ask me any questions about it. But at this point, since I withdrew from the relationship from him for 10 years, because he didn't value my existence. Now he knows he has, there's no other chances. This is one shot and he will. I'm sure if I did porn or was a hit man, he still wanted to be his thousandth daughter around. I'm sorry, dad. I didn't want to say that. Now you want to love me. I love you. Yeah. Yeah. Now, what do you think about all the censorship around sexuality? How am I taking it? I think I'm like, since our shock, none from none. For none. I feel like at all moments, we, while like when big platforms come down, like we just had a platform currently, the TikTok win dark yesterday. For us today, for the college friends. And while that sucks, and it takes them in up to kind of like, more than three sets, we also always know that every time we turn around, it's going to be another platform. It's going to be something else. It's going to be another violation. It's going to be XYZ when we shouldn't be getting violations, but we're going to just because of the taboo misofit. So I think the goal every time is when something happens. It's never going to be the end of it. We're always going to come back from it. We're going to start the ground again. It's not, why did this happen to me? Why did this happen for me? Is it a new audience to get to reach? Right. A new strategy you get to have for a page. Yeah. It's not having an account that we know there's stripes from the previous years. We're walking on the lava. And like we're just sitting on it and waiting for the next one. So we always know what's going to happen. And it's really, it's really discouraging, but it's never something that's going to stop us or discourage us to the point of just being like, "Bye, I guess it's not worth it." Yeah. Do you have any tricks for getting around it? Absolutely. Sometimes when it comes to like captioning, we've tested literally just leaving captions blank. We're only putting emojis, like not using hashtags to strategize anything in, but because the content's going to end up speaking for itself and find its way. If it's words in text, we're switching the words. We're putting the text together on two separate text bubbles, so they're not technically like read by a computer directly together. You're saying you're just like typing it in complete sentences so that you get around the censored? That are like typing half of the sentence here and then a few of the letters here and then lining them up. Yeah. It looks like it's one text. So I have a few usunotes to ask. Yes. The hashtag phase was great. When you are having a link in your bio that's not safe for word content, A2, I'm not explicit. That's a no-go. If you have this link in your bio that's taking anyone that can see your account today, the apps are going to flag you. So it's really important to just say, "Hey, all my links on my Twitter, all my links on my Instagram, not even anything's like a bowl, just what your handle is and the name or even just putting your email, people will find you if they I want to see it. It don't risk putting anything like that in there. We-- - And you're saying, "Oh, I or go to bio." - I'm sorry. - Because I don't. - You're saying, "Don't avoid putting in any direct URLs." - Right, like for us, we just do professionalgottas.com because you can kind of, we try. So we have, we utilize link tree and contact in bio and we have a couple of different ones. So we have one that is specifically more curated to the adult content. And I think that one lives on Instagram, where it's not going to be the hack for the box going through to check it and just flag it, whereas it's more-- - TikTok. - Yeah, TikTok. You put a sensitive link in, you're done. - Yeah, and with TikTok, you aren't a bikini or anything sexual. If you're in a real setting, like a backyard or a pool, there's less opportunity for it to get banned. Also on Instagram, if you're promoting your only fans, post the sexy photo on your story first. Follow it by just a plain colored story post with new content on my special site. If the algorithm catches skin in the first photo attached to a link that's a call to action to go off the site to an explosive site, they will flag that post. - Yeah, and they're scanning her site. - This is me off, I have to just say this right now, is that, I'm sure you share this sentiment. But what irritates me the most about all this is that basically, if you're-- I'm sure they're not doing this to men as much. I mean, I don't even hear about this happening to men. But if you're a woman and you're in a bikini and you're showing yourself in a bikini, which is normal to wear a bikini, if you're capitalizing on that image and making money off of it, basically it's being shut down. However, if you were to be coming to these companies and advertising through them in some way, using sex to sell something, that's okay. If they can capitalize on that, it's all right. But when they can't, it's not. - And to make it even worse, a child in her bikini on TikTok, because she's not linking it to get off the site, it's okay for her to dance scandalous, because she's not trying to use the platform for her own game, which then that's the darker side of TikTok is this extreme sexualizing of children not being protected. - Yeah, well, I don't think I agree with you in the sense that I don't think that, I think that while policing stuff and checking for inappropriate content is a good idea for sure, because it does protect children and it should protect children, there has to be a better way to distinguish between an adult in a bikini versus a child who might be sexually exploited. And instead, it's just all lumped together into one bad thing. - Right. - That's all this is just looked at as bad, but it's not. It's in no form, isn't, but everything sets everything in this round automatically gets the bad way. - But the key though is, if you're just posting yourself in a bikini in the backyard, you're whatever got your girlfriends with you there. And there are everyone's in bikinis laughing, giggling, blah, blah, blah, blah, it's a sexy little shot, 10 seconds, one minute, it's done. You're not directing someone to go somewhere off their site. You're not moving their traffic off the site. They're probably gonna let it slide, because what they, again, what they care most about is you're capitalizing on a financial opportunity that they can't and don't. And so they don't want, if people are moving away from the site, that takes money potentially out of their pocket. - Well, if you're a user on any social media platform, the platform thinks of you as a product that they can sell. - You are advertising. - What you are. - You are when you're in a free platform, that's that's an idea. So using Lincoln Bio or anything directing, Bourbish to direct you off the site, the algorithm will suppress new products on sale. - Shop now. - So you have to use Paylatton to express that you have a store and a small business, which everyone's like, "The day I can dream!" And they're like, "Srow you in a black hole, see what happens?" - I also just think it's so weird to me that these platforms have such an issue with us directing them to other places, yet they give us the spot to put our website link. They give us on TikTok the ability to link your Instagram or your YouTube to direct it over. They give you on Instagram stories, the link to send you anywhere. If you're gonna have a problem with it, don't, and you're gonna penalize us for it, don't give us the option. Like if you're gonna give us the option, let us use it and let us maximize. - By the way, this is not something that's unique to sex workers or like a sex podcaster. It's, this stuff is, I mean, I interview plenty of doctors, sex therapists, people with gal that, you know, I just did, was talking to you the other day, I become a good friend, I mean, she's a Harvard scholar. She has the same problem too with censorship, because if you're talking about things that are sexual in nature or sexual related, even from an educational standpoint, you could be using all of the proper terms for the appropriate body parts. Boom, you're getting flagged too. And shit taken down. And it's, again, it's just ridiculous. - It's so hard to just learn. And that's why everything is just put as a general bad, is because there's not good ample opportunities that aren't flagged and taken down to learn basics and learn things. Like so many people, I feel like in their sex life, they like keep it very, very vanilla, and not necessarily because they just choose that, but because they don't have resources, when we haven't found the resources to figure out more things or figure out how to die further in the bedroom and in sexually counters. And they're just like, all right, this is what I learned at the middle school and stable, this is as far as it's getting. - I know. (laughs) - I remember what I said to my mom one time, I thought I'd heard her and my dad having sex, and I just heard him moaning or something. And I think I said something like, I know you were giving dad a blowjob last night. And my mom, she wasn't having it, right? So she's the wrong person. If you're gonna start to go down that road, she'd be like, all right, you wanna have this conversation? Guess what? We're gonna have it. You're gonna be uncomfortable. She goes, oh really? What's a blowjob? Just grab it. (laughs) - Tell me. - And I was like, oh my, I mean, I'm like, oh, oh. - I didn't think you were gonna get this far. - I was just like, oh my god, because now I have to actually like talk to her. She's like, okay, I'm a smith adult. You wanna have, you know, like here we go. Let's talk about it. - Oh my god, that just shut me up. I was just like, backpilling out of that as fast as I could. I didn't know. I said, I go, well, I think it's when you blow and she's like, no. - And I bet that lessons start with you. - Lesson start with me. I'm like, be very careful about the kinds of conversations what you open yourself up to, because you better know you better have something to back it up. - Oh, teach me lessons. - Yes. - So what are, I'm sure you have probably a bazillion million between the two of you working where you are, doing what you do, you must have some crazy brick and stories from stripping or any of your side hustles. What's like, what are some of the craziest requests you get, the craziest stuff you've sold? - I think trash is always interesting, just the degrading kink of, it's like, squishing a chocolate bar and shoes and then mailing them the shoes and telling them how to eat the chocolate bar and how to take videos of it or shopping for guys. And you've had some asks for you, I believe to vibe yourself while reading their favorite novel or something. - Yeah. - One, reach out one time and he was like, can you like, record your feet and heels dry thing or cop cages where guys lock their cock up so it can't get hard and then I hold the keys. - And this recent one we thought the keys got lost in the mail. - Oh, he sent you the key. They have apps for that. Why is he sending you keys? - Because he wants to, he wants to know that she's holding on to it. - Yeah. - While turn, he ended up trying to kill himself when he was at hospital and they had to remove it. So when we told him we got the keys, he told us that we were like, we're gonna stop this year so we don't get into that and we can't work. - Oh my gosh, no way. - That was a recent one. So my ID, my, my bath water, - So, why you D? - Oh yes, she did. - That got me viral two times. - For how much? - Can I ask? - We say for figures so that we can let that story out ourselves. (laughing) - Oh my gosh. - Yeah, the guy who just loved collecting like myself to animals or false pregnancy tests. Like really bizarre, mantle pieces for him. - This is, I love this stuff actually. I'm like, why? - Me too. It's so interesting. - It's fascinating to me. I mean, and again, this just, this goes back to why we're, why there's so much done to just sort of quiet, hush sensor, repress our sexuality. When we're so driven for it, it is, it, we're wired for pleasure. We're wired to move towards pleasure and move away from pain. This is basic, basic biology as human beings and it's the only reason that we're still here on this fucking planet this long because, - I personally move towards pain. (laughing) - Well, I do too, depending on who's administering it, but that's enough. - I know. - But I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me. And so I love the fact that you can help and you're indulging and giving an outlet to people that have these desires. I mean, why not? It's not hurting anybody. - Don't yet, someone's young. We get a lot of comments. shaming and people and I'm like, you know what? There's confident and brave to actually look internally and see what they like and you probably only do missionary, you know, shade, love missionary. But like they're cutting off their capability of pleasure in the spectrum of it. So I enjoy just fucking like the shows where I do a humiliation and just like rage at them how disgusting their tiny pockets and they're watching them come. I'm just like, I am so powerful. Yeah, let me go to the mosque. Let me go to the mosque. No, I mean, and that's what that person wants. That's what turns them on. That's what they need. They're in they don't have an outlet for that readily available because it's a little it's on the fringe. But there's a lot of people that love different weird off the just off the beaten path kind of stuff. And they need a space to do it safely. I do. Absolutely. Yeah. All the different kinks and stuff. Now, do you have you ever when you did sex work? Are you just doing where you were just doing the stripping and the only fans? Would you ever meet with clients? Would you actually do face to face? It was so dancing and then I was doing hand modeling like live shows and that moved to like custom videos, pictures, etc. So it was all virtual. The dancing was the most physical contact. And then shipping items would be the next phase and halfway physical contact. A lot of people are very vocal about selling DNA being very risky and it's because they're going to clone you or they're going to leave your DNA at a murder scene every time. And we have YouTube videos responding to this because it's just quite a simple concept that if you put my hair on someone's dead body a like really you're just going to pick a random model that you're like sexually attracted to. And then the police are going to be like, "When you in Virginia, no, here's the bill of sale." Yeah, I'm going to pull the bill of sale for the section. People's DNA is everywhere. Like I went to eat you so there was a piece of hair on my chair. Like you can get it at anyone's and cloning tell me what was the last clone you saw. I just want to know which one of these bitches online has the- Where's the clone machine? If you walk up in here and show me the machine and that you haven't made and you can do this, then we'll talk about it. Oh, I googled it. And it was like a minimum of like ten million dollars to get started on anything. At some point I literally want to find a scientist, a specialist that like is in the wrong but funny and be like, we're talking to you. There's which crap which I understand some people are feel strongly about hexing and I understand not but like, fucking hexing. They're just kidding. Just kidding. No, they just got rid of the mold of it. Well, not not got rid, but adjusted the owner's. Yes. So you send your trash to someone, is that the deal? Or people want to buy yours? Does it matter what's in the trash? Depends on the clients request. Okay. So some want general trash and then others want like- I- I'm selling for empty your whole fridge and here's a hair-seater gift card. Well, I'm about a roach, hometown. Yeah. So they're like put it inside something and it's like, surprise. So tell me, how did you develop this love of business? And when did you like, queue into just like, I really like business and solving problems and being creative and having a plan and executing it and then getting that satisfaction when you knock it out of the park, what drove that in you? That's a great question. I think the lemonade stand. It's like generic answer. Well, it was financial insecurity, hustling and stealing. That was my option as a kid. My dad left. We lived with my grandparents for a while. My mom was working for jobs. So my brother was prescribed the Adderall and I sell his Adderall at school. I would make duct tape wallets in middle school. I was always trying to make things, but my creative expression was often suppressed. So once I was able to kind of go out on my own and be fully creative and feel financially secure, it was addictive. I can't stand when people try to help me. So I'm really empowered by figuring things out myself. I love proving people wrong. I love embracing mistakes. I don't want to read the instructions because I want to make a mistake and learn how to do it. So I don't have to read the instructions next time. Yeah, so it definitely stems from that what hustle is ageing. We come to terms with you just can't fucking teach it. So was out the wound, had my wallet ready. Superheels, all tightly stuffed. Ready to go. My mom said I came out like a slip and slide. Yes. Oh Lord. What? So I know you have a lot of stuff. Tell me about all the stuff you got. All your stuff is businesses. Yes. Right, how should we start at the top? I mean, what is the definition of the top? What's under what is under the slutcher-produer empire? What's under that umbrella? Under the slut-okay, I was going to be the full spec. So slutcher-produer, we have the YouTube channel, the podcast. The only fan. The only two only fans account. The e-book. And the e-books, the. - You can use those. - Any sales. - Store. - Probably another five to ten other sites, website, media kits for like, different ads on platforms. - Is the influencing a starting to pick up, or pick up on the. - The mentorship. - Mentorship's a pause for me. - But still a service, yeah. - I'm sure there's more on there too. - That sounds about right. - And then that is these sluts from your side. And then I'd say, the bad to not hit the other side, where she is also the CEO and founder of Alien Outfitters. - Yes. - Cornerstone, Lanes for Babes, Jango Rescue Foundation, the second orbit vintage. - That might be it for, yeah, that's probably it for the moment. - Oh, that's not. (laughing) - I think you might have just lowered the bar for yourself. You might want to raise it and try to jump. - I don't know. - I don't know. - Thank you, Paul, Mark, for one last. - We just set our first market here, 'cause we have 5,000 square feet in empty space, so we decided to just throw an event and buy its local small businesses. It was a huge success. And I was just like, "So how can we do better?" (laughing) - So now we also have a start. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - Mark in the moment, no. It was, okay, let's make this fucking bigger. That was-- - I was gonna say the goal, but I don't think this is-- - There's no words for it. - So it is the floor. - The floor of it. - You were trying to break through the glass ceiling. - Yeah, I'm so excited. That's gonna be it, actually. We were in the news because of it, and I'm like, that's the first like news I've gotten because in sex work, it's, you can't get in the news that's impossible. - Yeah, unless it's a scandal-- - Unless it's a scandal. - Unless it's a scandal. - Yeah, I recently saw an article, and of course they highlighted on this, popular only fans model, stamps and kills for boyfriend. I was like, "Great, thank you for helping out the community." - It's fun to visit this news article, we can actually send to our family. (laughs) - There you go. Yeah. What did you think of? What were you panicked when you got the news that only fans was going to try to cleanse their platform of sex workers? - I wasn't even surprised. The emotion, if you're not executing it as motivation, it's completely useless and hurts you. So the first thing we did was we need to help the community. What resources do we have? We picked back up on all the websites that have been around since the dawn of the internet. Before only fans, we said, "Sign up here. This is what's good about this site. This is what's bad. Here's how you can batch your content." - We sent down to report an emergency episode to post that day. - And that's when age magazine listened to the episode. - I saw that. - I saw that. - So it was, we had my only fans assistance, start making new accounts, getting profiles set up, marketing them, we just put all our energy into getting what we had our customer base and converting them and filing them to keep them around. And if they love you, they'll follow them. - Right, right. So we did. And then I feel like it was just a big PR stunt and they suck. - And then you know what? I've had them reach out to me and asked me to come on their platform and bring my podcast onto their platform. And I'm like, "No way, no way." - They have to sell their share. - Oh, there's no way because. - Ramon? - I can't trust what your intentions are over the long haul. And so you don't have to show me but once. - And they literally overnight, especially through the pandemic, so many people clearly switched to sex work and online sex work just mid. - Yeah, it was easier, like if it's easier to accommodate working from home. And so at that point, a lot of people had all of their eggs and only fans and to just pull us down like that and almost like rip these people hearts and souls out in 24 hours because they think all of a sudden they have to fully adjust and move and change everything that is providing for their livelihood. It was just really, really shitty of them to do this. - Yeah, and to not take care of the creators who have made that platform. Yes, you can have it only fans and it doesn't have to be moods or sex work or whatnot. But I'm sure about 98% of the platform is. So if you can't even stand up for the people that are maintaining your platform and bringing you that 20% revenue cut that you just have to have, or just acknowledge them. Yeah, yeah, right. That's I mean really that's what built the platform is the sex workers that built that platform They only promote like workout girls Yeah, authors. Yeah Although it's I think it's a good lesson for people that again whether you Regardless of the business I always say you could ask me to sell rubber dog shit And I will find a way to distribute the fuck out of that crap No pun intended because it doesn't matter what the product is a good business mind and a good business model It's gonna is the fuel that runs the engine What you also need to do and what people need to be aware of and what I love that you guys are doing so well It's the diversification that you have with your product lines and you know Anytime you engage with a third party platform in any way you always have to think about what's my backup plan? Because they have power to disrupt your cash flow Essentially, I'll take it even one step further and say another good thing when you want to go farther down the rabbit hole is don't be Careful about how many of too much of the same payment processor have different payment processors sign up for different year You're on this one over here make sure if you have an option sign up for this one over there But once you get flagged on one is my point like you have to really kind of I find my job one of the things I do is like try to think ten steps ahead of everybody else What do we do when this happens? What do we do when that happens even with the same bank? Don't do all your banking with the same bank like you can't have all your money tied up in the same spot It has to be a diversification There's this fast And if you're able to and some of the platforms I know they make you do cash outs every so often if like only fans You can do a manual cash out and you need to be going in there every day and multiple times a day and even if you hit that $20 threshold to cash out you need to catch it out because as soon as they decide We're gonna pull your account anything in there is no library or right. That's the point exactly It's the same thing with banking. It's the same thing with these abs any again I'll just say generically speaking any third party you engage with you have to understand Think of the worst case scenario that they could cause you and and hedge against it just prepare for that and Yeah, you have to expect the worst hope for the best. Yeah, and don't expect that getting your account band is part of this Have a back of the count get people funnel them to as many platforms as you can that way like for me It didn't hurt as bad because I know I still have accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers And if you bring that value, they'll keep coming back. I've had creators. I follow I searched for my final I yeah, well Instagram bring back Yeah, exactly exactly. Well, thank you ladies. This has been fabulous. I've really enjoyed this tell everyone where they can find you They can find us on Instagram at sledge manure While you're still up You can also find us at professional goddess calm and we also have a discount code set up the dissent code is curious girl and it'll say Let's miss 10% on the site. That's everything from our merch to our educational pieces. We're currently sold out of sledge manure secrets But we have Well, we're currently working on our third third edition third drop Yes, we're testing to a hard cover, but we have the full version as a PDF online And as soon as you buy it you can jump in and start reading and then I can't buy it because I want advice on and I'm gonna use the code Because I want one thing that I can't get enough of or I'm always looking for of course it's good business ideas But especially just with navigating around these platforms and With a censorship that just drives me up a fucking wall and I feel like I need to be a whole I've got to turn myself into a whole new person and educate myself in a whole new area that I don't have to Time to do so let me just go to somebody that it's already been through this knows this shit Give me the information. I'll put it into practice But I don't want to have to try to reinvent the wheel when it comes to Hey time is money. I mean we have a 23 Websites you can excuse me. We have a PDF. That's the 23 websites that you can sell weird things on the internet Because it took me 10 years to find all those underground dark websites. Yeah, so that's there We did it commercial and we creatively made a script so that Instagram wouldn't take it down about how we like hard noodles instead of soft noodles And we're doing slow-mo of noodles getting thrown in my face like a To call it come shot He's shot. Yes, so that you'll find all that really fun stuff there So There we go. All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening today And you guys always know where you can find me. You know what I love give it to me. 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