She Refused To Be a Bridesmaid. Then She Went Viral (w/ Ruhama Wolle)
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What do you think is the most egregious wedding ask you've heard of?
I've heard you can't be pregnant.
You can't be pregnant.
And I've heard people ask folks to step down because they've gotten pregnant.
And I'm like, that's not your friend.
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And today we have Ruhama Wolley.
She is the viral author of I Hope You Elope, a bridesmaid survival guide.
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social media. It's not worth starting your wedding with debt. I feel like the coolest thing
right now, like the financial trend that I'm the most into is just like not peacocking. I feel like
we're post peacock. It's just like do things that actually make sense with your budget. And don't
like overdo things that you can't afford just to seem like you're richer than you are. Who cares?
It's way cooler to be in control of your finances. So yeah, I just wanted to talk about that. Because
if you've ever been at a wedding where they asked you to Venmo them, I need to know please DM me
that has never happened to me. But I did go to a wedding where there were oyster crackers for
dinner and it was a cash bar. So I feel your pain. But you know, I wouldn't have missed it.
Okay, now that I'm all warmed up with my wedding opinions, I do want to bring in our guest for
today, Ruhama Woolley, because she is sort of the queen of taking down wedding culture. You will
hear more in the interview, but she has a very controversial takes on weddings. Do not ask her
to be a bridesmaid because she went viral for saying that she will not be a bridesmaid again.
And she's someone who's just started a lot of conversation around the topic. So I'm really
excited for you to hear this one.
You've got a lot of wedding gossip, Rue. Because yeah, you wrote this book, it absolutely popped
off. And you're sort of like the poster child to say no to being a bridesmaid.
I am.
So we have to get into all of this. But first, we always do rapid fire.
Okay.
So Rue, what are your best and worst purchases that you've ever spent
attending a wedding? And how much did each cost?
Okay, worst purchase will always forever be the dresses. Like across the board,
there wasn't a single dress that I loved. Unless I we just so happened to have the wear whatever.
And then I got to wear whatever.
Exactly. Um, best purchase across wedding.
You're like nothing. The ticket home.
Um, I'm sure I think honestly, the the meals and like the dinners and the get togethers that felt
communal were really great times. And I would say that the the boat experience,
for a bachelorette in Miami was really fun.
And what is the most money that you've ever spent all in attending a wedding?
It was about 2k for one wedding. And I have to add the caveat that I did not attend the
bachelorette for that particular wedding. I didn't go to a bridal shower. So there were
definitely things that I tapped out of, for either reasons that I couldn't afford it or just time
off. But all in was 2k.
So which actually is
normal, because on average, people are spending between 1200 to $2,500 to be a bridesmaid,
and over $5,000 for these high end destination weddings.
Absolutely. And mind you, I'm noting that the 2k was with just me agreeing to attend,
of course, the wedding, participate where I can, but I also didn't go on an international
bachelorette trip. So I'm sure that would have hit another 2k.
For sure. Easy.
Absolutely.
Even though as we talked about, you are petite and can easily fly
in the back.
Anywhere, right?
Yes.
But the cost is the same.
The cost is the same.
It does not matter how small or how big you are.
Yeah. Ru and I are on different ends of the size spectrum. Me as like a giant.
How tall are you?
I'm like 5'11 and I wear heels.
I'm 4'11.
Oh my God.
I love it.
We need to be best friends because you know, there's no stronger alliance than a really
tall girl and a really short girl.
I'm telling you.
We could be at every sample sale being like, go, and then hitting the complete opposite
spot.
Exactly.
So people talk about,
Astrological compatibility.
We need to talk about height compatibility.
You just mentioned this wedding though, the one that you spent the most on, $2,000.
Yes.
But you preface it by saying that you said no to a lot of things.
Yes.
You've become the poster child for this, of like this critical discourse around wedding
guest spending and saying no to weddings, which I don't know why it's so shocking, but
you can.
So could you explain a little bit more about this viral moment that got you into this?
How'd you get this crown, Ru?
It's heavy.
Isn't it crazy?
And I don't even know if I wanted it or want it, but I will say I felt like I was just
having a normal experience, right?
Weddings hit me.
I was at that phase where friends were getting married.
How old are you?
32 now.
When it started, I was 27, 28, and happily said yes to my girls, right?
No one asked me that I questioned why they asked me, which is very much a conversation
in itself where folks are like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I didn't want to be her bridesmaid, but I said yes.
And I'm like, what?
How?
Yeah.
Anyways, my wave hit me.
And while I was navigating it, there were moments where I just felt like autonomy really
goes out the window, which is really what the season is about.
It's her big day.
It's her moment.
It's sort of the way I write about it in the book is like it's a bait and switch, which
is it all feels emotionally tied.
That's what weddings are.
And you want to show up for your girl, your bestie.
Your sister.
And then underestimate how much it costs, underestimate what it's asking out of you
beyond of even just the financial bit of it, of time, the emotional labor around it.
And I think by the end of it, I was already feeling like, I don't want to do this again.
And I feel like if I do it again, I might lose a friendship over it.
And I think just that thought kind of spoke it into existence.
And I did end up losing a friendship over it.
Wow.
But I.
What happened?
I wrote an article.
I wrote an article that went viral and it didn't sit well with her that I wrote the article.
And I think.
What did you say about her?
I mean, I ended up talking about all three weddings that I ended up attending.
And there was a conversation about hair in it in terms of how we were asked to have our hair.
I clearly missed the memo or I misread it and ended up having my hair curly, but not the way she wanted it curly.
And I think in the grand scheme of things, I was like, this is what it comes down to.
And I think it was a huge miscommunication because for her, it was more so of if you had just let me know in the moment that this was making you in any way uncomfortable.
I would never put my friend in that position.
But because during weddings, everyone stays silent and everyone wants to make.
The bride happy.
The bride happy.
It was a lot of staying silent.
And for her, it was like, why were you staying silent?
We're not friends who stay silent with one another.
And I'm like, I know, but it's hard to explain what.
Weddings really sort of not only reveal, but the pressure they put around folks who are in the bridal party or the community around her because you're just like, I don't want to rain on your parade.
And so once I understood sort of the challenges that I was experiencing, because if I was saying at this point in my life, I can be vocal, I can sort of have my boundaries up.
And in this season, I wasn't able to.
I was like, one, I don't want to put myself in this situation again.
And then two, I wonder.
If other folks are experiencing this.
Right.
And so I ended up writing an op ed about it, sort of my way of releasing it.
Did not expect it to resonate with as many folks as it did.
You went fully viral.
I went fully viral.
And yeah, I think that's sort of what sort of led the roadmap for a book.
And I think the book essentially does what the article sort of misses out on, which is I say, no, that's my stance.
I'm probably not.
Probably will never be a bridesmaid again.
Well, this point, Nolan.
Someone's asking you.
Like, I would be scared.
You'd be surprised.
I have some best friends who probably will attempt to try to ask me.
Wow.
They're going to get you out of retirement.
I say it in the book.
I think in my acknowledgements where I'm like, the only person who can convince me is my sister.
And my sister is like, I promise you, I am not your problem.
I will never have a bridal party as well.
So we're aligned in that.
But I realize that not a lot of folks can say no.
Right.
And so that's what the book offers.
It's if you can't fully say no and you do want to show up, which most of us do want to show up.
How can you navigate that in a way where.
Like, you're not losing your sanity.
But that is very interesting wording.
Like, can't say no.
Like, we could say no.
So could we.
It sounds like you've dealt with a few bridezillas.
So I wanted to role play in terms of setting these boundaries.
If you're one of those people who thinks, OK, I can't say no.
You are here.
You are the queen of saying no.
Can you teach us?
So I'm the bride.
Brew on the bride finally.
The day has come.
OK.
And you're the bridesmaid.
OK.
And I want you to come on my bachelorette trip to Mallorca.
My wedding is in Rome.
I'm neither Spanish nor Italian.
I just want to have destination events.
And I'm not paying for anything, but you have to pay for everything.
And we're not that close, but we're close enough that you have to be in my 17 person bridal party.
OK, I'm going to preface.
Has me bridesmaid already said yes to being?
Yes, I sent you like a dove in the mail with like a lot of glitter came out.
There was a singing telegram.
How could you say no?
So this is specifically for the bachelorette trip.
But back it up.
So you're saying the first step is when someone says, will you be my bridesmaid?
Instead of just saying, wow, I'm so grateful that you're asking me.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Take a beat.
Take a beat.
OK.
That is truly the moment to take a beat.
Because what I say is once you've already said yes, not to say there's not opportunities to then say no to certain things.
It's hard to walk it back.
It's hard to walk it back because you didn't essentially disclose any either financial bit you're in, time restraints that you might be on.
And so I think early on, if you already have this feeling of this might not be the season where I can afford to be a bridesmaid or I might not have all the PTO or maybe I don't want to simply you don't want to because you're not as close and you know what it requires to fully show up for somebody.
that is truly when you can,
that is a time to pull aside
bride and have that conversation early on. Okay. So let's do that talk. So I send you the dove in
the mail. I'm like so excited. You're my most important friend to be my bridesmaid. Yes. So
call me up. Ring, ring. Rue, is that you? I'm at the wedding salon. I just tried on 14 dresses.
Oh my gosh. I hated all of them. Oh no. I'll send you pics. Okay. Send me pics. So what else is
happening around wedding? Well, I haven't talked to my fiance in like six days because we're getting
a prenup. I want everything. That checks. And yeah, I'm just like so excited for the bachelorette. I
just booked this like huge villa. We're going to have private chef every night. That sounds
exciting. And oh my Christian Dior is doing the bridesmaid dresses. Wow. Yes. You are going all
out. Yes. Okay. Yes. So have you decided who you're going to have on your bridal party? Well,
I mean, obviously you. Okay.
And then my sister. Listen, I love this. I am so excited. You know, I will be there for the big day.
Yes. I know I have just been in transitions with my job currently, and I am still figuring out
what's next for me. So if it's okay with you, tell me a little bit about what you think it's
going to cost to be a bridesmaid. And then I'm happy if I can take a day or two just to see if
financially this is something that I could take on. You know, I love you regardless. I'll be at
the wedding. I'm going to be there for you. I just want to make sure that this is something that I can afford right now to show up for you
in the full capacity that you deserve and you want. Okay. Pause. Yes. That was really good.
We're going to get back into it, but I want to like note a few things. Yes. I love that you gave
your why. You gave the reason why. And so if you're not in a job transition, could we give
other whys that are good? Maybe like. Yeah. I mean. Like give us some examples. Life is always
lifing for a lot of us, right? But if you call a bride up and you say,
life is lifing, they're going to laugh in your face. Absolutely. That's what I'm saying. So it
has to be based in something concrete. In a reality. You need a detail. You need a detail,
whether that is. Dog is sick. I'm handling family. Family shit is happening. Family shit is happening
right now. I truly write. And this is where, you know. You need a specific. I also say this really
comes down to what that relationship with the bride already is, right? If this is someone that
that is the part where you then disclose, hey, you know, we've been talking about where I'm at.
X, Y, Z. Yeah. X, Y, Z. But what if nothing's happening and it's just too expensive?
That's. I feel like too expensive is. I'm like, we are in a recession. We are not.
No, no. I got that. Like wages are up 7%. But if you disclose to your friend, right? Let alone
best friend. That's truly who should be asking you to be their bridesmaid. And you're telling
them you cannot financially afford that at this time. And they can't afford it. And they can't
respect that or honor that. That ain't your friend. That's not your friend. I agree. And I truly think that no friend, let alone community per member should require you
to spend more than you have. Right. Like we are not going into debt for one another. Like that
is not what friendship is. That's not what community is. And so I think there's definitely
an honest conversation around that. I do think that if this is someone that you truly consider
a friend and want to continue having relationship with.
Giving alternatives. I can't afford to fully show up in this capacity of being a bridesmaid,
but I'd love for you and I to have a spa day. I'd love to show up in other ways that I can help.
Let's go back to our call. Okay. So you're, we're unpausing because I want you to give me all of
the other options. Okay. No, I know. I know. Listen, but it's going to be $4,000. And I think
it really just comes down to the cost and knowing that you love your extravagant stuff. But listen,
how about I will support where I can logistically. So you feel like I'm there with you in the
journey. I'd love to do a spa day together one-on-one. I'll cover that. And I would still
be at the day of the wedding. We'll show up early so I can be there to support you when
you're getting all dolled up. I just don't think I can financially afford all that comes
with being a bridesmaid at this time and what you wouldn't want and need. And I want you
to be able to get all that. If you feel like there's any financial support for me, I'm
going to be there to support you. But if you feel like there's any financial support for me, I'm
a content influencer culture that's sort of taken a hold of social media for a few years now,
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going and they're seeing their favorite influencers, celebrity, have these incredible
weddings, bachelorette moments, and want to be able to repeat that. And I'm like,
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product that you could think of was either gifted or it was brand sponsored. And I think
that sort of sets the tone for what the rest of our country is sort of tapping into. And I also
write about how America is the outlier in all this, where a lot of. That's so interesting.
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If you're the bride, what's the maximum financial burden that you should place on your friends before
you sort of cross the line into being a bridezilla? I will preface this by saying I've never been
married, and I've actually never been a bridesmaid, Rue, but I've been a sister-in-law.
I'm a sister of a bride. Okay. And I've been in many bridal parties. I've just never like
walked down the aisle. Okay. But for my sister's bachelorette, I'm obviously Mrs. Stout-Jones. I
was very conscious financially, especially my sister's a doctor. All of her best friends are
doctors, and they have so much medical debt. And so I was like, okay, if we're going to do this,
she wanted to do it in Mexico. I was like, we have to pay for the villa.
So we paid for the villa, and the villa had a private chef. And so it was like all the meals
was covered, but they paid for their, we split the boat day. You have to do boat day. And then
we split the, they had to pay for their flights and maybe like the cabs to the villa. But you all
were able to offset some costs. We offset a lot of costs. And before we went on the trip,
and this is what I always tell people to do, is send an anonymous survey of how much people
can afford and also make a budget for it and overestimate the budget because no one's going
to be able to afford it. No one's ever upset if something is cheaper.
But you are the anomaly, right? In this whole case scenario.
But you are the anomaly too of saying, no, so we have to normalize, we have to talk about this.
Very much so. I think normalizing, and I've seen a lot of brides who now send these Google
forms, right? Bridal party is able to anonymously say, hey, here's my budget. Yes, I'm willing to
do an international bachelorette trip. No, I'd prefer something more local. My thing is how much,
I'm also now posing the question back to,
the culture and saying, are we sticking to these after the fact, right? Because I've seen so many
case scenarios and I've heard where, yes, bride is considered up until a point. And then once the
wheels start turning, it all kind of goes out the window, right?
Because they want to have the big, bad bachelorette and they're pissed at the
friends, don't want to pay everything. This is where the people pleasing comes
into it, right? Yeah.
And I think the group dynamic portion that I also wanted to hit on is once the wheels start turning,
right? There will be-
There will always be someone in the group chat that's like, okay, yes, we agreed to
a private boat day, but let's add a private chef on it now, right? And then everyone co-signs it.
Oh, they're getting more and more, yeah.
And now you're essentially, and they sort of guise it under the whole,
it's her day. We want to get her everything she wants, right? And you don't even know if that
conversation is happening on the back end where let's say a bride has let maid of honor know she
does want something additional for the bachelorette. And then now in the separate group chat, maid of honor is
like, let's add this for her, right? And it just ends up being this essentially revolving door of
a meter of where you're like, I thought it was going to cost me this much. And now it's costing
me much more than I expected. And sometimes resentment picks up when no one on essentially
the decision-making factor of either bride or maid of honor is saying, can everyone afford this?
Is everyone okay with this? And even then the group dynamic of it all, if
six folks have already said yes, you can't be the only one to now tap out, right?
That's why if you do it anonymously, I think. That's essentially one of the questions that I
answer in the book, which is like, how did we get here? How did weddings balloon to what they are
today? So what's the answer? I mean, I had to go through the whole course of history, but at this
point it is social media, right? I think it is very much a Gen Z millennial issue. I truly hope that
this book has a bookshelf of five years that next generation is not picking it up and feeling like
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folks who spend the most on their weddings are more likely to get divorced. But
I truly do think that if we rethink what a wedding can look like, this would kind of resolve
all of it, right? If celebrating your union looks like, I don't know, like us swimming at the lake,
right? A day of just having folks over at a house and that's what the union looks like.
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crazy stories connected to your work. You're now like the poster child,
breaking the silence on the wedding industrial complex. So tell us some crazy ones.
Oof. It all, most of it really comes down to the dress, but-
Which is so ugly. They don't want someone to walk down the aisle
pregnant and they don't want you to ruin the bachelorette with your pregnancy.
We should be getting down and dancing at the fact that, you know,
there's now another thing to celebrate in this. Cause I'm like, if that's your friend,
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but we'll turn up on the other side. And I'm so glad that the little one gets to be a part of the
celebration with us, right? Not a, cause then now you just, it chucks it down to aesthetics.
Clearly that's what matters to you. Not this friendship, not love. Clearly what matters is
aesthetics for you at this point. And that is a rude awakening. And that's what matters to you.
It's a rude awakening. And that is not your friend.
So literally a bridal pregnancy clause. That is so crazy. And I've actually heard that too. I knew
about this girl, Chloe, who got married a little bit later than all of her friends and was so
fricking pissed that people were pregnant and it was a whole thing. So this is real.
I think folks gotta be like, we gotta have shame.
Like shame is shame. And that's the other thing is like when people become brides, it really,
it gives them too much power.
It becomes a hierarchy. And it actually translates even into the bridesmaid group dynamics of it all,
because I have heard just in interviewing folks where folks felt so close to the bride up until
the wedding. And they felt like bride had somehow sort of created this hierarchy across her friends
of who is going to stand next to her, who is going to get prioritized and things.
It's so middle school. It's clicking.
There's so much more time with. And I'm like, it is a moment where essentially sometimes it becomes
a friendship across your life, right? If you have a childhood best friend, a family member,
you're work wifey. But I think it is very much on the bride also to make sure that everybody
showing up, right?
But you're a host.
Yeah, you're a host. And you want to make sure that your community all feels-
It's like, okay, you're a host. And you want to make sure that your community all feels-
Oh my God, 100%. And you should try and offset it in any way that you can. I know right now,
obviously, recession, people, it's so hard. The cost of living is so high. Wages. But I don't
know. I've always felt like if you're going to ask something of people financially, don't do that
unless you can-
Offset it a bit. And it's okay not to do it or do it in a much cheaper way.
Absolutely.
I really believe that.
We're so aligned on that. There's a moment where I say-
And that's why I did it with my sister's wedding, which I know was a privilege that we were able to
pay for the villa or whatever. But I'm like, then we wouldn't have done it there because
knowing the financial situation of people who were coming, it would have been so inappropriate
to have asked all these people who are literally working-
I love that you said inappropriate because other folks would be like,
she said inappropriate.
And I'm like, no, that's true.
No, it's inappropriate. It's inappropriate. It is.
I put it, I think it's bolded in the book where I say in the dress chapter,
if a bride is asking her bridesmaids to wear an exact dress and there is no room and space
for them to pick a silhouette or whatever it is that they would feel comfortable in on their
body, it is on the bride to pay for that dress.
Oh, and I think you've got to pay for the hair and makeup too.
It is on the bride to pay for that dress. You can-
not tell me to go purchase this link and know that I may never wear it again. And can I also
just say like, I think that all of this is lame. Like it's like, be interesting. Like don't like,
like I want to get married so badly, but I also don't want to make it my personality at all.
Let's be punk rock about it. You have in the book so many interesting stats and like research
somewhere. You said that the more money spent on a wedding, the less likely it is to last,
which was very interesting to me. So I would be curious to hear which wedding stats sort of
shocked you the most in your research. Ooh, I think, I mean, just on average,
how many times folks are being asked to be a bridesmaid is, is averaged out to five to six,
right? That's so much. That's a Roth IRA. Which is nothing. When I can tell you on the flip side,
a lot of people that I was interviewing, I was hearing double digits. And for me,
sort of,
that,
I couldn't make sense of it, right? I'm like, you are telling me that there were 10,
15 folks in your life that you had to say yes to, right? In terms of showing up in that full
capacity of what being a bridesmaid is, because how many of us can show up for more than let's
say, and that's where I was really going back to research on in terms of four to five folks
in a given season is probably the capacity any,
any person has to show up and really love on and.
Yeah. You can't have 12 best friends. Like that's insane. It's a tier, but the tier is not that big.
And I say.
How many, how many best friends do you think you really comfortably keep? I think four.
Four to five.
And like the fifth is sort of like, you've been friends forever. You'd love them to death,
but you live in different places. And like, you know, you pick up the phone and you have a two
hour convo once in a while. Yeah.
Have you been a bridesmaid 10 times?
No, that's insane. So that's why they need you, Rue, because we need to know. That's why you went
so viral because it's like, people didn't even,
realize that they could say no to it there. It's like this, you're blowing people's minds.
And I think before the no probably landed a lot harder because the ask wasn't as what it,
as what it's become now, but because of social media, because of brand and influencer culture
and what people are digesting right online of all that can come with it. I think the upkeep is so
much that at this point it is.
I can't expect anybody to be shocked when someone says, I can't afford to be a bridesmaid. Of course,
it's costing you two to 3000 per wedding to be a bridesmaid.
And that's what people should look at it more as it's like that number amount versus just like
the emotional implication and all of this other stuff.
And it already costs to attend, right? Like, let's just be real on that front.
Oh my God, so much money to attend.
And I think people forget about that. I'm like, it's never just one wedding and one season.
I think it's 2000 to go.
Like I'm going to a wedding in September in,
oh, hi. And you know, the Strait of Hormuz made those flight prices really high. I'm going to be,
you know, 511 of me just like shoved in the back of coach, like praying for the best on the flight.
And you know, then I got to get the car to the thing. And it's like, that's going to be $2,000.
Absolutely.
100%.
And that's one wedding.
What about gifting?
I have such a firm stance on it. If you are being asked to be a bridesmaid,
a bride should not expect you to.
You should also have a gift.
What about if you're a guest to a destination wedding, but you're not in the bridal party?
I think at that point it is on the bride and groom to send out a memo from the jump
when it is a destination wedding. You all who plan on flying out for us, that is plenty.
We are not doing a registry, but if you want to, you know, contribute anything.
To charity.
To charity, anonymously or whatever it is. Here's the link.
Go for it. I love that. So we don't have to give gifts if we're going somewhere far.
You don't have to give a gift if you're being a bridesmaid.
If you want to make something for her, great.
So I love the advice that you gave on setting boundaries in your Modern Love interview,
but I'm curious if you have any additional more financial driven advice to add like as
addendums to those points.
I mean, I say it, it's, I made it also the budget. Look at it, right? Like,
go through it, write down all the numbers of what you think it's going to cost, what you actually
have to spend on it. And then if you're a bridesmaid, you don't have to give a gift if you're
going to spend. And I do think that people should probably in their early mid twenties start saving
up for weddings across the board. Like I think there should be a savings account specifically
for weddings, whether you are attending as a guest, whether it is you participating in a
bridal party. I think they're really, people should consider having a savings account for that.
That's really smart. Having an automated deposit into,
a high yield savings account. But I think something that we just,
I'm going to wrap up by saying that a wedding is a want, not a need. Put your own oxygen mask
on first. And don't be afraid to say no. And also like you can say no, even if like you're in a good
place financially. And this is not your priority. Because it's still money that you have to spend.
And it's not always a hard no, right? It could be a no.
It could be a soft yes. It could be a I'm getting ready with you no. It could be a
but I want to do this with you no. I got it.
Absolutely.
Well, Ruhama, this has been so amazing.
No, this has been great.
I just really love your perspective. And you really are empowering us all to
have financial boundaries socially, which I think is so hard, but important to do.
And I feel like the best lesson that we learned from you is just to stand in your freaking power
and be unapologetic.
And don't say sorry for knowing where the line is.
That is a life lesson for me.
Yeah.
To not say continue to say sorry.
Yeah, don't say sorry. I love it. All right. Well, stay rich. I know you are.
Love it.
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