She Killed Three People with Poisonous Mushrooms. Did She Mean To?
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The transcript discusses the Erin Patterson mushroom poisoning case, covered by Guardian Australia reporter Nino Bucci. In July 2023, Patterson hosted a lunch for her estranged husband Simon’s parents and relatives, serving beef Wellington. The meal was later found to contain death cap mushrooms, leading to the deaths of three guests and severe illness for one survivor, Ian Wilkinson. Patterson herself became mildly ill but recovered. Police investigated, and she was charged with three murders and attempted murder. Her defense claimed she accidentally used foraged mushrooms, but the prosecution argued she intentionally poisoned the guests, using evidence like location data and her disposal of a food dehydrator. The trial lasted 11 weeks, with Patterson testifying in her own defense, maintaining her innocence and expressing love for the victims. The jury found her guilty on all charges, and she received a minimum 33-year sentence. She is appealing the conviction, with a hearing scheduled for August. The transcript also touches on dropped charges related to alleged attempts to poison her husband and Simon’s upcoming book, which may explore those incidents. Motives remain speculative, with Bucci admitting difficulty understanding her actions. The case drew international attention due to its bizarre nature and the devastating consequences of the lunch.
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Basically, when, you know, she speaks to police, she's seemingly as baffled as they are.
About why these three lunch guests have died and another one's, you know, on death's door.
And yet she's fine.
Today I'm talking with Nino Bucci.
He's a justice and courts reporter at Guardian Australia.
And last year, he covered a trial there that made international headlines.
A case that involved poisonous mushrooms.
Back in July 2023, a woman called Erin Patterson hosted.
Her parents-in-law and also their relatives.
So, her auntie and uncle of her husband at her house, which was on a piece of land in country Victoria,
which is sort of one of the southernmost mainland state in Australia.
And she invited them around for Saturday lunch, a lunch of beef Wellington.
Erin said, didn't give a reason exactly for the lunch, but basically wanted to talk to them.
talk to them about something.
And she was in this quite new house.
So, you know, they came around.
Most of them hadn't been there before.
It was quite an unusual thing for her to invite them all over.
And she showed them around a beautiful house,
did what people normally do when they have people over for lunch
and fussed a little about plating up.
And then eventually they all sat around her dining room table
and had a beef wellington.
You said that her in-laws were there, but was her husband there?
No.
So, her and Simon were estranged at that time.
Simon didn't live there.
He'd actually been invited to the lunch and cancelled late the night before.
So, he wasn't there.
And, you know, his absence was something that,
as this sort of went on, became somewhat more interesting.
So, you said they were having beef wellington.
This seemed like a kind of a proper Saturday lunch.
For people who don't know what beef wellington is,
what is beef wellington?
Sure.
So, there's a few different ways around it.
And, you know, effectively what it is, though,
is a piece of beef wrapped in pastry.
So, this particular version that Erin was making
was from quite a well-known Australian chef.
Her version is not sort of one big log of beef, as is traditional,
wrapped up in pastry.
But Erin sort of made single bits of beef wrapped up in pastry.
And there was, you know, quite importantly in this case,
between the beef and the pastry,
there was a mushroom mix that was placed in there,
sautéed down mushrooms that were sort of, you know,
put on top of the meat before the whole thing was wrapped up
in little individual parcels.
So, each of those lunch guests had in front of them, effectively,
a little individually made parcel of beef,
mushrooms on top, wrapped in pastry.
So, they sat down, they had their beef wellington,
and what happened next?
Well, the discussion continued.
They were, at that point, Erin was sort of raising concerns
she had about cancer.
You know, they then realized that was why she invited them
all around there to talk about her cancer diagnosis.
But, you know, it ended the way most of these lunches ended.
Everyone was sort of, you know, waxing lyrical about the meal,
very glad to have been there, hopped off in their car,
and went home.
So, everyone leaves after lunch, goes on their own way.
And then what happens?
So, later that night, the lunch guests start to fall ill.
And they fall ill with symptoms that are quite similar to,
you know, acute food poisoning or gastroenteritis.
There's, you know, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach cramps.
They all think, basically, you know, they've eaten something bad.
And when it becomes clear that it's all people who are at Erin's place
for lunch, they assume it's something they've eaten that day,
that they've potentially all had a bad piece of meat, for example.
But as it kind of went from, you know, the early hours into, you know,
dawn, they realized that we really need to get ourselves to hospital here
because of how violently unwell they were.
They went there into, you know, the emergency department.
Started receiving treatment, but it became pretty clear pretty quickly
that things weren't getting any better.
And eventually, they were sort of rushed off to bigger hospitals in Melbourne.
How quickly did the doctors figure out that this wasn't just regular food poisoning?
Yeah, it took a while.
There was some stuff about their presentation and about, I guess, their liver function and the function of other major diseases.
They started sort of treating them as a presumptive case of that fairly early on,
even before that was sort of, you know, actually evacuated to those bigger hospitals.
And it became, you know, obviously once that was the presumptive diagnosis,
they were really concerned that these people might not survive.
What happens to the body when you eat death cap mushrooms?
Yeah, it's quite horrific, really.
And it's. Effectively, you know, it's quite a slow and painful process for which there's very little that can be done.
And something that really stuck in my mind that was particularly sort of frightening about the people that kind of eat death cap mushrooms
is that, you know, you go through this process of really intense symptoms of, you know, vomiting, diarrhea,
exactly as you would when you've got, you know, really bad food poisoning.
It's this kind of period where it eases off.
And a lot of people who are suffering kind of think, you know, they're kind of getting better.
But what's actually happening at that point is that it's this, you know,
the organs have failed to such a point that they're not even doing that anymore.
You know, there's such a relentless sort of progressive and frightening deterioration of everything
that even though symptoms stop, but that doesn't mean you're getting any better.
It in fact means you've, you know, almost progressed to the point where you're beyond saving.
And I found that quite. Horrifying.
Once the group gets to the hospital and they realize,
Erin Patterson, the woman who had, how they'd been at,
she also comes to the hospital complaining of stomach issues.
Yeah, so more than a day after the others, Erin also goes to hospital.
She's not as unwell, but she's also, you know, half their age
and, you know, somewhat healthier.
So, you know, yeah, she's sick, but she's not as bad.
I mean, she walks in, for example, as opposed to having to be, you know,
taken there by ambulance is a kind of fair indicator of the difference between the two.
And she also, somewhat strangely, you know, at this point,
they're fairly confident that it is death cap mushroom poisoning.
And so, you know, the local hospital, when she comes in a farm or alive to the prospect,
this could be. Something really serious than they were when her other lunch guests came in,
you know, more than a day earlier.
So, they basically say, hey, you got to come in here straight away.
And she actually leaves.
She leaves the hospital, says she's got stuff to take care of at home
and kind of comes back later on, which again, you know,
was something that people at the hospital found unusual at the time,
but also was very different to how the lunch guests were reacting to that poisoning.
What happened?
What happened to everyone who got sick?
So, of those four people who became terribly unwell after eating beef,
Wellington and Erin Patterson's house, three died.
And the only survivor was Ian Wilkinson.
He spent months in intensive care.
You know, he was in an induced coma for large parts of that.
And, you know, still sort of to this day, you know, we're almost three years on now,
sort of has ongoing.
Health complications from that, from that meal.
How quickly did the police launch?
investigation after after the deaths by the time the family had been taken to
that major hospital in Melbourne it's called the Austin Hospital they they do a
lot of toxicological deaths poisonings that sort of thing by the time the
family were there which was you know within days of the lunch police were
looking at the case and you know by sort of November so sort of some four months
after after that lunch Aaron Patterson was in fact charged with with those
three murders and the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson what did she tell
police had happened so this is an interesting one because what Aaron
Patterson did in her first interview was effectively kind of say look I don't
know what's happened to you I have never gone foraging I have no reason to
harm these people I was sick as well I bought the mushrooms from the
supermarket and an Asian grocer beats me what's happened effectively you know
but I've got no reason for to hurt them I love them and it could have been me
you know the at a basic level that's what she's saying that story would change
somewhat as as the sort of months rolled on but basically when you know she
speaks to police she's seemingly as baffled as they are about why these
three lunch guests have died and other ones you know on death's door and yet
she's fine we'll be right back
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you said aaron patterson was estranged
you said aaron patterson was estranged from her husband
from her husband
from her husband did she have a good i mean if she's
did she have a good i mean if she's
did she have a good i mean if she's having lunch with her in-laws even if
having lunch with her in-laws even if
having lunch with her in-laws even if her husband wasn't around did she have a
her husband wasn't around did she have a
her husband wasn't around did she have a good relationship with them as you might
good relationship with them as you might
good relationship with them as you might imagine in a case like this
imagine in a case like this
imagine in a case like this the question of what aaron's
the question of what aaron's
the question of what aaron's that seemed quite
that seemed quite
that seemed quite open and shut about that relationship
open and shut about that relationship
open and shut about that relationship could be interpreted in a number of ways
could be interpreted in a number of ways
could be interpreted in a number of ways i guess if you sort of think about
i guess if you sort of think about
i guess if you sort of think about for example
for example
for example she'd be there'd be text messages
she'd be there'd be text messages
she'd be there'd be text messages attended about conversations she was
attended about conversations she was
attended about conversations she was having just with him
having just with him
having just with him and they'd say maybe a little heated and
and they'd say maybe a little heated and
and they'd say maybe a little heated and you know there'd be discussions about
you know there'd be discussions about
you know there'd be discussions about you know
you know
you know speaking in quite a disparaging way about
speaking in quite a disparaging way about
speaking in quite a disparaging way about simon and his family so
simon and his family so
simon and his family so it is not easy to say what that
it is not easy to say what that
it is not easy to say what that relationship was like
relationship was like
relationship was like not only because of obviously what
not only because of obviously what
not only because of obviously what followed and the context in which we're
followed and the context in which we're
followed and the context in which we're learning about it being
learning about it being
learning about it being you know a triple murder trial but also
you know a triple murder trial but also
you know a triple murder trial but also because
because
because there was seemingly kind of two sides to
there was seemingly kind of two sides to
there was seemingly kind of two sides to to aaron and how she engaged with people
to aaron and how she engaged with people
to aaron and how she engaged with people about that
about that
about that relationship once the police
relationship once the police
relationship once the police initially interviewed aaron
initially interviewed aaron
initially interviewed aaron what happened with their investigation
what happened with their investigation
what happened with their investigation what else did they learn after
what else did they learn after
what else did they learn after interviewing her these interviews fairly
interviewing her these interviews fairly
interviewing her these interviews fairly early in investigation
early in investigation
early in investigation they've kind of been explained to me
they've kind of been explained to me
they've kind of been explained to me before by
before by
before by you know people in you know homicide
you know people in you know homicide
you know people in you know homicide squads and things like that is it's
squads and things like that is it's
squads and things like that is it's effectively
effectively
effectively a chance to get people to kind of hang
a chance to get people to kind of hang
a chance to get people to kind of hang themselves with their own rope
themselves with their own rope
themselves with their own rope so they're hoping that aaron is going to
so they're hoping that aaron is going to
so they're hoping that aaron is going to say enough
say enough
say enough about what happened at that lunch that
about what happened at that lunch that
about what happened at that lunch that they're going to be able to prove her
they're going to be able to prove her
they're going to be able to prove her wrong and she kind of
wrong and she kind of
wrong and she kind of did that there was enough that she gave
did that there was enough that she gave
did that there was enough that she gave away there
away there
away there to sort of indicate that what she was
to sort of indicate that what she was
to sort of indicate that what she was saying wasn't
saying wasn't
saying wasn't true part of that revolved around you
true part of that revolved around you
true part of that revolved around you know material i'd get later on from from
know material i'd get later on from from
know material i'd get later on from from her phone uh and other devices
her phone uh and other devices
her phone uh and other devices part of that was also around they were
part of that was also around they were
part of that was also around they were able to establish that she had
able to establish that she had
able to establish that she had dumped a food dehydrator at a local
dumped a food dehydrator at a local
dumped a food dehydrator at a local you know what we call it a tip in
you know what we call it a tip in
you know what we call it a tip in australia but basically like a dump
australia but basically like a dump
australia but basically like a dump they were basically able to put together
they were basically able to put together
they were basically able to put together these bits and pieces that contradicted
these bits and pieces that contradicted
these bits and pieces that contradicted very much what she said in that
very much what she said in that
very much what she said in that interview and if you kind of you know
interview and if you kind of you know
interview and if you kind of you know look at the timeline of that that
look at the timeline of that that
look at the timeline of that that interview
interview
interview sort of occurred you know that first
sort of occurred you know that first
sort of occurred you know that first interview occurred
interview occurred
interview occurred you know i think roughly about three
you know i think roughly about three
you know i think roughly about three months before she was actually charged
months before she was actually charged
months before she was actually charged so you know the police kind of went away
so you know the police kind of went away
so you know the police kind of went away and did a little bit more work and kind
and did a little bit more work and kind
and did a little bit more work and kind of
of
of were able to find in their mind enough
were able to find in their mind enough
were able to find in their mind enough to to sort of point to the fact that
to to sort of point to the fact that
to to sort of point to the fact that this wasn't
this wasn't
this wasn't some accidental death but that aaron
some accidental death but that aaron
some accidental death but that aaron patterson had
patterson had
patterson had had intended to kill these people when was
had intended to kill these people when was
had intended to kill these people when was she arrested
she was arrested
she was arrested she was arrested in charge of november of 2023 so
so
so there's a kind of four month period
there's a kind of four month period
there's a kind of four month period almost between that lunch and when she's
almost between that lunch and when she's
almost between that lunch and when she's when she's charged with
when she's charged with
when she's charged with with the murders and it became
with the murders and it became
with the murders and it became fairly clear early on in that trial
fairly clear early on in that trial
fairly clear early on in that trial that the essential issue was
that the essential issue was
that the essential issue was whether she'd meant to put death cap
whether she'd meant to put death cap
whether she'd meant to put death cap mushrooms in
mushrooms in
mushrooms in the beef wellington so somewhat
the beef wellington so somewhat
the beef wellington so somewhat differently to
differently to
differently to the story they've been presented you
the story they've been presented you
the story they've been presented you know up until that point it no longer
know up until that point it no longer
know up until that point it no longer was in dispute that she'd fed
was in dispute that she'd fed
was in dispute that she'd fed death cap mushrooms to her lunch guests
death cap mushrooms to her lunch guests
death cap mushrooms to her lunch guests in those beef wellingtons
in those beef wellingtons
in those beef wellingtons what had become in you know the central
what had become in you know the central
what had become in you know the central issue of the trial is whether she'd meant
issue of the trial is whether she'd meant
issue of the trial is whether she'd meant to do it and effectively you know
to do it and effectively you know
to do it and effectively you know aaron's pleading not guilty saying that
aaron's pleading not guilty saying that
aaron's pleading not guilty saying that look i forage these mushrooms i didn't
look i forage these mushrooms i didn't
look i forage these mushrooms i didn't realize our death caps i accidentally
realize our death caps i accidentally
realize our death caps i accidentally put them in
put them in
put them in the beef wellingtons that's killed the
the beef wellingtons that's killed the
the beef wellingtons that's killed the lunch guests i got sick too
lunch guests i got sick too
lunch guests i got sick too but for various reasons i didn't get as
but for various reasons i didn't get as
but for various reasons i didn't get as sick as them
sick as them
sick as them that's basically what the trial come came
that's basically what the trial come came
that's basically what the trial come came down to was that that question of intent
down to was that that question of intent
down to was that that question of intent there were charges that were eventually
there were charges that were eventually
there were charges that were eventually dropped um attempted murder charges
dropped um attempted murder charges
dropped um attempted murder charges against her husband simon who hadn't been
against her husband simon who hadn't been
against her husband simon who hadn't been there
there
there that's right so one of the things that
that's right so one of the things that
that's right so one of the things that was really fascinating about her
was really fascinating about her
was really fascinating about her arrest and charging back in november as we
arrest and charging back in november as we
arrest and charging back in november as we had no idea about this
had no idea about this
had no idea about this background or alleged background or
background or alleged background or
background or alleged background or history of of attempting to poison
history of of attempting to poison
history of of attempting to poison simon and so that really was a bolt from
simon and so that really was a bolt from the blue when that came out so police
the blue when that came out so police
the blue when that came out so police as part of their investigation into what
as part of their investigation into what
as part of their investigation into what happened at the lunch they spoke to
happened at the lunch they spoke to
happened at the lunch they spoke to simon and he
simon and he
simon and he spelled out to them these
spelled out to them these
spelled out to them these four occasions where he said she tried
four occasions where he said she tried
four occasions where he said she tried to kill him before
to kill him before
to kill him before now they were all occasions where
now they were all occasions where
now they were all occasions where you know police alleged it was just
you know police alleged it was just
you know police alleged it was just those two together
he was eating food that aaron had prepared for him their children weren't there
their children weren't there
their children weren't there uh and it all occurred when they were
uh and it all occurred when they were
uh and it all occurred when they were away from
away from
away from from home as well so you know aaron
from home as well so you know aaron
from home as well so you know aaron patterson when she was charged in
patterson when she was charged in
patterson when she was charged in november with with the lunch charges
november with with the lunch charges
november with with the lunch charges which in and of itself wasn't a huge
which in and of itself wasn't a huge
which in and of itself wasn't a huge surprise given everyone knew she was
surprise given everyone knew she was kind of the only suspect
kind of the only suspect
kind of the only suspect uh which she was also charged with these
uh which she was also charged with these
uh which she was also charged with these these matters involving simon that nobody
these matters involving simon that nobody
these matters involving simon that nobody had any idea about
had any idea about
had any idea about but between her being charged in
but between her being charged in
but between her being charged in november and the trial starting the
november and the trial starting the
november and the trial starting the following april
following april
following april there'd been a lot of legal argument and
there'd been a lot of legal argument and
there'd been a lot of legal argument and back and forth about these two
back and forth about these two
back and forth about these two sets of charges what were called you know
sets of charges what were called you know the lunch charges and the simon
the lunch charges and the simon
the lunch charges and the simon charges effectively
charges effectively
charges effectively and and right before the trial started
and and right before the trial started
and and right before the trial started there was a
there was a
there was a a ruling that came down and the judge
a ruling that came down and the judge
a ruling that came down and the judge effectively said
effectively said
effectively said these have to be these trials have to be
these have to be these trials have to be
these have to be these trials have to be held separately you can't have one trial
held separately you can't have one trial
held separately you can't have one trial on the simon charge and the lunch
on the simon charge and the lunch
on the simon charge and the lunch charges you're gonna have to do them
charges you're gonna have to do them separately
separately
separately and eventually the you know the um the
and eventually the you know the um the
and eventually the you know the um the director of
director of
director of public prosecutions here decided that
public prosecutions here decided that
public prosecutions here decided that they dropped the simon charges and they
they dropped the simon charges and they
they dropped the simon charges and they proceeded with the lunch charges
proceeded with the lunch charges
proceeded with the lunch charges what was the trial like incredible in
what was the trial like incredible in
what was the trial like incredible in the sense that
the sense that
the sense that we all knew it would be
we all knew it would be
we all knew it would be this completely
this completely
this completely uncontrollable kind of raging storm
uncontrollable kind of raging storm
uncontrollable kind of raging storm and yet it still sort of took us by
and yet it still sort of took us by
and yet it still sort of took us by surprise i think
surprise i think
surprise i think all the the many reporters who covered it
all the the many reporters who covered it
all the the many reporters who covered it there was
there was
there was you know evidence it was obviously
you know evidence it was obviously
you know evidence it was obviously really sort of heart-wrenching from from
really sort of heart-wrenching from from
really sort of heart-wrenching from from from ian wilkinson who was at the lunch
from ian wilkinson who was at the lunch
from ian wilkinson who was at the lunch but also from simon patterson
but also from simon patterson
but also from simon patterson um about losing his parents and and also
um about losing his parents and and also sort of i suppose reflecting on
sort of i suppose reflecting on
sort of i suppose reflecting on you know his relationship with aaron and
you know his relationship with aaron and
you know his relationship with aaron and the future for his kids and that sort of
the future for his kids and that sort of
the future for his kids and that sort of thing
thing
thing and then you know later on in the trial
and then you know later on in the trial
and then you know later on in the trial the very sort of
the very sort of
the very sort of final witness was aaron patterson herself
final witness was aaron patterson herself
final witness was aaron patterson herself and you know that was
and you know that was
and you know that was quite remarkable as well because you
quite remarkable as well because you
quite remarkable as well because you sort of go from
from seeing this person in a dock every day but sort of having
having seen her on television for, you know, months before that
and in newspaper photographs and all the rest of it.
And then, you know, she sort of comes to life before your very eyes
and that was quite an experience too.
Where did the prosecution say they thought she'd gotten the poison mushrooms?
So the prosecution said that it was open to the jury to find
that she'd got them from one of two locations.
And this was a fairly laborious part of the trial
because basically what they were doing was measuring up location data
to sort of say Erin Patterson was in this location at this time
and then kind of cross-referencing that with public posts
on a website called iNaturalist, which is basically a citizen science website.
You can log posts on there about things you've found in the wild,
you know.
You know, whether it be types of plant like mushroom or animals.
And what the prosecution was saying was, look,
it's open to you as the jury to find that Erin Patterson was in a place called Lock
and another place called Outram after there were public posts put on iNaturalist
identifying those locations as having death cut mushrooms.
So they didn't know exactly, but they were saying our case is that
she'd gotten the poison mushrooms.
So she got them from either Outram or Lock on either of these occasions
in the weeks leading up to lunch, effectively.
What did Erin say when she testified?
She, you know, effectively sort of said that she hadn't made that recipe before,
but she wanted to do something different because it was a special lunch.
She couldn't find the exact ingredients to follow the recipe that she'd found.
So she sort of ad-libbed and instead of, you know, buying one big,
sirloin, she divided, decided to just buy individual sirloin steaks.
She said she was, you know, cooking down the mushrooms as the recipe sort of called
for, but then they didn't, you know, taste particularly good.
They tasted a bit bland.
So she threw in some dried mushrooms that she had in the pantry.
Very much the, you know, I guess the, the sort of through line of her evidence
was one of having a great deal of love and respect for
the, for the people she was alleged to have killed, having no
reason to want them gone, having had some issues in their relationship
with Simon, but that, you know, had no reason at all to have, to have
done what she was alleged to have done.
What was the end of the trial?
Like what, what, what happened?
Trial went on and on and on.
It dragged far longer than anyone thought.
It went for 11 weeks in the end and.
You know, Aaron Patterson's evidence was, was, you know, the most
dramatic period of, of those 11 weeks.
And there was, there was a point, you know, in her evidence where I could
see a path to her being found not guilty.
Again, you know, just to sort of emphasize, this is not, you know,
criminal trials are not about, a lot of the time are not about someone's
innocence, you know, they're, but they're about whether there's enough evidence for
them to be found guilty, you know, beyond reasonable doubt.
And there was just enough, I thought at, at times early on in her evidence
to suggest that a jury, or, you know, it could be enough for, for a single
juror to have some doubt about whether she'd intended to kill people with
those, you know, poisonous beef Wellingtons, but eventually the jury came
down and, and they found Aaron Patterson.
Guilty of all charges.
And what was her sentence?
Basically in Australia, once there's a guilty verdict handed down, you know, the,
the jury get sent out, they're, they're thanked for their work and there then is,
is what's effectively called a, a plea hearing for, you know, where the
prosecution give their side of, of the sentence they think Aaron Patterson
should get and Aaron Patterson's, you know, lawyers basically say, well, these
are the mitigating sort of circumstances, you know, in Aaron's case, there, there
wasn't a lot of them.
You know, she'd, she'd taken it to trial, sort of indicates a lack of remorse, but.
You know, that she had never been, you know, found guilty of any, any other
serious sort of criminal offending, you know, this was her first major crime.
So, you know, it was all weighed up and in the end she was given a, a minimum
sentence of 33 years with a maximum of, of life.
Now it's important to sort of say that Aaron Patterson's appealing that conviction.
She's not appealing the sentence, but she's appealing that conviction and, you know, she
maintains her innocence and there's going to be an appeal hearing, you know, in her
case later this year.
Her husband has a book deal.
Yeah.
Simon Patterson has been represented by, uh, uh, you know, a media spokesperson
since fairly early on in this.
One of the things that we don't know a great deal about that, that Simon
certainly can talk to are those, you know, alleged attempted murders that Aaron,
uh, committed on him where, you know, police had alleged and, and, you know, he
certainly suspects and continues to suspect that she had attempted to kill him on a
number of occasions before the lunch.
Look, if, if that's the focus of the book, I'm sure that'll be the focus of, of even
more headlines as well, um, in the coming months.
But you know, with the motive, if he was, if she was trying to kill him, he wasn't at
that lunch, so why would she still serve?
If, if, if she is guilty, why would she go ahead with serving the beef Wellington to
his family?
I've really tossed this around a lot.
I suspect that possibly Aaron's thinking was that Simon may come and if, for
example, like he'd taken their kids out that day, if, for example, he'd come back
early and happened to see his whole family sitting around eating, maybe he was more
likely to partake as well.
She did.
have extras she had extra beef wellingtons that she could have served to other people who came
perhaps she wanted to see obviously the previous attempts at simon alleged attempts you know
involving simon have been unsuccessful maybe it was a dosing test and it was let's see how far i
can push this i mean ultimately where i kind of land with this is that you're on a hiding to
nothing when you try and get inside the mind of of someone who'll murder three people and it's a
very difficult thing for for most of us to do to try and consider their motives especially when
they've been questioned about this particular thing for for days on end and and you know i've
sat in the same room while she's doing that and i'm still no close to understanding why
well nino thank you thanks phoebe
you can read more of nino buchi's reporting for guardian australia at the link in our show notes
aaron patterson's appeal will be held this august if you'd like to watch the video of this interview
and all our other video interviews follow us at youtube.com
slash criminal podcast or just click the link in our show notes i'm phoebe judge thanks for listening
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Erin Patterson hosted a beef Wellington lunch in July 2023 in Victoria, Australia, for her estranged husband’s family and relatives; her husband Simon was absent.
The meal contained death cap mushrooms, causing severe poisoning; three guests died, and one survivor, Ian Wilkinson, suffered long-term health issues.
Police charged Patterson with three murders and attempted murder; she claimed accidental mushroom foraging and denied intent.
The trial centered on intent, not whether she served the mushrooms; prosecution used location data and her actions, like dumping a food dehydrator, to build their case.
Additional charges of attempted murder against her husband were dropped; the case went to trial separately.
Patterson was found guilty of all charges and sentenced to a minimum of 33 years, with a maximum of life; she is appealing the conviction.
Her husband Simon has a book deal, and motives remain unclear, including why she’d serve the meal if he wasn’t there.
Summary:
The transcript discusses the Erin Patterson mushroom poisoning case, covered by Guardian Australia reporter Nino Bucci. In July 2023, Patterson hosted a lunch for her estranged husband Simon’s parents and relatives, serving beef Wellington. The meal was later found to contain death cap mushrooms, leading to the deaths of three guests and severe illness for one survivor, Ian Wilkinson.
Patterson herself became mildly ill but recovered. Police investigated, and she was charged with three murders and attempted murder. Her defense claimed she accidentally used foraged mushrooms, but the prosecution argued she intentionally poisoned the guests, using evidence like location data and her disposal of a food dehydrator.
The trial lasted 11 weeks, with Patterson testifying in her own defense, maintaining her innocence and expressing love for the victims. The jury found her guilty on all charges, and she received a minimum 33-year sentence. She is appealing the conviction, with a hearing scheduled for August.
The transcript also touches on dropped charges related to alleged attempts to poison her husband and Simon’s upcoming book, which may explore those incidents. Motives remain speculative, with Bucci admitting difficulty understanding her actions. The case drew international attention due to its bizarre nature and the devastating consequences of the lunch.
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Erin Patterson was a woman charged with murder after hosting a lunch where three guests died from death cap mushroom poisoning.
Erin hosted a beef wellington lunch for her in-laws and relatives; all four guests became severely ill, and three died from suspected death cap mushroom poisoning.
Death cap mushrooms are highly poisonous and cause severe symptoms like vomiting and diarrhea, followed by a deceptive period of relief before fatal organ failure.
Erin Patterson was found guilty of all charges and sentenced to a minimum of 33 years with a maximum of life imprisonment. She is appealing the conviction.
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