Shawn Ryan: Trump’s Betrayal, Iran, Government Spying, Encounters With Demons, and Finding God

Olen Shannon Maldonado, käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teitä myyvän jauji-lahjakaupan perustaja. Valitsin Shopify, koska alustoja testatessani totesin sen ehdottomasti yhdeksi helpokäyttöisimmistä alustoista. Minulla oli tärkeää pohtia kehittymistämme tulevaisuudessa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu ovat kätivästi dashboardissä. Aloita ilmainen kokeilu Shopify piste komsi vustolla. -Kiitos. -Kiitos. -Piitos. -I probably retained 10% of the information he comes through the studio to be honest with you. Everybody expects me to be a resident expert on anything I can't remember shit. And then I think I know something that I have dinner with you last night and I realize I really don't know. -I don't either. -Yes, the ignorant meeting, the ignorant. But what have I learned? I've learned I never want to involve myself in the US political system or vouch for any man, again. I've learned. -Wait, let's just stop there. So you didn't start out a hyper-political person. I remember when your podcast started, when nephew told me about it and he loved it, it's how I met you, because my nephew was so impressed by you. And it was mostly on military issues. And then there was this period where you, I don't know, got involved, but you got closer to the political process. And now you're saying you don't want anything to do with that. -No, I never just don't. -Why? Well, I think we kind of discussed it last time. I just, everything is a lie. That became like a coin term, I guess, but everything is a lie. I mean, every politician I've sat across from, with maybe the exception of Eli Crane, who I disagree with on a lot of -- I hate that I even have to say that. I don't agree with everything. Everything they have to see. Why the fuck do we have to say that? I like Eli. He's very, you know, pro is wrong, not. But he can articulate why he is and whatever, I respect it. At least he's not regurgitating. He's just, you know, like most people. But everybody else, it's just, you know, it's been a lie. And then the other thing is, I mean, which it really shouldn't bother me, but you talk to somebody and then it's like, you out there, you platform that person. That's like, actually, I probably just did your favor because he just spent four hours lying to me on my podcast that you're going to be able to use for his next political camp. Exactly. Fucking stupid to figure that out, aren't you? But I mean, it just, you know, and I do, and I just, I don't know, you know, I put a lot of faith in a lot of these guys and women, you know, they've come on and really, a, a, a, the only one that really impressed me was Joe Kent, you know, in the long run. Everybody else has just been a wash or just book or a complete disaster. Just a lying piece of shit. What about you? As we discussed last night, dinner, I, I'm still trying to figure out what all of this means is someone who campaigned for Trump and told everybody, Trump is the option to the Uniparty. You got Republicans, Democrats are on the same side, but Trump is not. He's on a different side, maybe even the public side. And then Trump, the last hope winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and just joins the Uniparty in the most obvious way. At that point, you have to ask yourself, is there a political solution to the problems that we have? And I don't, I don't know the answer, but I'm starting to think maybe there isn't. I don't know. I feel as discouraged as you do, though, I don't articulate it quite as well and forcefully as you do, but I, I kind of feel that way. So, but I'm interviewing you. So let me ask you, you're out of politics. So, where does that leave you? What, what matters? What takes its place? I think, I mean, just, I'm not sure yet. I'm still, you know, we talked last night. I'm kind of going through, not kind of, I'm going through a crazy spiritual transformation right now. And I think, I think, God needs to be highlighted and maybe some, and some good stuff. I mean, nobody's, I mean, you just, he can't put faith in man at all. And it's kind of sad to watch everybody scurrying around trying to find the next guy. And, and who's it going to be? And, and, you can already see people just like blindly like putting their faith into another human being. And it's sad and, and spend a lot of time, I became obsessed with evil, like obsessed with it. And it started with the kids stuff, which I'm still, I'll probably never stop that. That's just a passion of mine that I, you know, I can, I can handle it, like I can handle the subject matter. And I think it's important. And I know, you know, we've done a lot of good there. And by educating parents and kids about what, you know, what's actually going on. And I mean, roadblocks, for example, we did an episode on what was going on on roadblocks. And I think we took like five or six billion dollars off the, the cap table in one day or one week, I mean. And I think, you know, that's good. But so where am I going? Wait, can you back up? You became obsessed with evil? Yeah, I just, well, I think it started, you know, with COVID and, and, and the LGBTQ stuff. And I don't, I don't really care about, I don't care what adults are doing, but, you know, eight-year-old kids that, that just really bothered me, like it still does really bothers me. And so that's kind of where it started. And then, and then, and then, it's just everywhere you look, you know, everywhere you look as a lie and the institutions are lying, the, the, the, the politicians are lying, everybody's lying. People are manufacturing narratives just for, just to create controversy so they can, you know, boost their views. And I don't know who to believe. I don't know what to believe anymore at all. And, I mean, everything, even here, like, with, uh, what's, what's his name? Steve, Steve, he's a reporter here, the small ya fraud that's going on. Oh, that's Steve Robinson. Yeah, yeah, love that guy. He's a great man. But it just, I just, uh, I got, I just, I don't know. I just became obsessed with, like, uncle, all this shit that's going on in the world and it's dark, man. So you felt it was your job to uncover evil? Yeah. And, and, uh, you know, I, I, I say that, oh, I can't be influenced. Like, I don't let advertisers influence me. And I don't let, uh, politicians tell me what to do, even though they're calling me trying to, you know, tell me what to do. Don't talk about the land sale and you talk. Don't talk, you know, don't talk about actually. This guy really helped me with my campaign. Actually, I don't really give a fuck who helped you with their campaign. Um, but now I lost where I was going with this, but well, you said you became obsessed with evil, uncovering evil. You focused on evil and that somehow led to a spiritual transformation. Yeah. Well, so it never ends. It's basically what I'm getting. Oh, I was talking about audience and I was talking about being influenced and then, and then, and then everywhere you go, people are patting you on the back and patting on the button, you know, good job, you know, you're doing God's work. You're doing this and you see the views and you see the comments and you see the likes and you, you see the, uh, the, the reaction videos and everybody's just praising you and, um, and it gets to you. I didn't realize it was getting to me, but it's not the criticism that destroys you. It's very flattering. Yeah. That destroys you because you, but, uh, they don't know what God wants. So you got all these millions of people, you know what I mean, interacting with you, telling you these things everywhere you go. And it gets to you and, uh, you know, I did, you know, we talked last night about my lab. I just got back from a, I began five of me own experience. Didn't go great. Um, found hell, hell, hell, and I don't, I don't want to go too far into it because I don't have them belt down on your show, but it's okay. But, um, I'm just not ready, - ja se on tullut. But yeah, I've felt what help was just was going to be like not like seeing devils and fire and whatever demons and all that like it was it was a feeling and I never ever want to feel that again ever. So you know successful experience I guess I never ever want to do it again. Maybe the most successful experience. Yeah, it definitely sent me down a new new path and I'm still trying to figure out, but you know, I went to Mass on Sunday and I might full-blown, come back into the Catholic church now and the here and main I went and the priest was talking about I want to butcher this, but you're talking about weeds, wheat and wheat. Have you heard this analogy and it was good people are the wheat and and the bad are the weeds and and every once in a while, well, a weed will come out and he'll start calling out all the weeds only to become a weed himself. And basically what he's getting at is you know, we I can sit here and I can call out this evil like all all the time, you know, and uncover all the fucked up shit that everybody's doing that everybody, you know, is put their blind faith in and but in the end we're all evil. We all have an evil side to us. And then you meet these people in a very charismatic and you're like, oh man, he seems like a really nice person. He's a nice guy. Maybe yes, but he's influenced. Yes. They are influenced. We are influenced. And I think it's time to I just think it's time to turn a corner because because we are all we all have an evil side. We are our selfish in our own ways. And it's too easy to call other people out all the time. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe they don't realize they're doing. I think a lot of them do. I think a lot of them know, but I don't think that's really necessarily what God wants, you know, the way I used to do it is I would wait until something came across my desk or something came to my attention that I felt really passionate about. Yes. Like kids. And and then I would and then I would do the thing and it would be so explosive. It would be like the perfect storm. And then and then all the praise came behind that. And I think I got caught up in that praise. And then and then I'm down searching, you know, for the what's the next one? What's the next thing? You know, let's talk about what they're a link. Let's talk about. Yeah. Let's talk about Trump. Let's talk about Israel. Let's talk about everybody. Yeah. Everybody's doing something. And well, some a lot more than others. And and I'm still passionate about those topics, but but it never ends. It never ends. And I don't I don't I feel like I was maybe shown hell. And I'm still experiencing it for a reason. And you know, I gave you the analogy last night that if my son's, you know, playing with the electrical socket and he keeps sticking his finger in there. And I'm like, no, no, hey, you're going to shock yourself. Hey, go time out. All right, that's it. You know, go your whatever. Eventually, I'm just going to let him stick his finger in there and figure out why I don't want him to stick his finger in. Yes. And I think maybe that's what maybe that's what Christ did to me. He's he was he was like, all right, here it is, buddy. You want to feel it? That's what it is. And I never want to touch that shit ever again. 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I would like one or no more, but I actually don't want one or no more because it's upsetting even hearing that. And so you came away thinking that God directed you to this place to teach you something and that thing was you want to avoid health. I hope that's what it is. First, I thought that's where I'm going. But now I think maybe that's what it is. What were your first reactions? Your first reaction was I don't want to go there. So what do you do to keep from going there? Pray, build a relationship, plant some seeds maybe. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. One thing I told you, I've read maybe half the Bible. I can comprehend maybe 5-10 percent of it. So one thing I'm kind of kicking around is maybe going through every book and doing a full blow. I mean, look, we both have access to pretty much anybody we want in the world, right? That's the upside of the job, is it? Because they have access to you too. No, it's fair. But maybe I bring on the best and the best theologians maybe whoever I want to learn from and bring them in and well, let's start with Genesis. It'll force me to read it. And then maybe we do this every week. Maybe we do it every other week. Maybe we do it every day. I don't know yet. I'm actually having a meeting with my team who's like extended family to me about how we're going to put this all together. Is everyone on your team on on board with this way of thinking? Do you think? Yeah. You've been Christian? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. When you started, what year did you start the podcast? Christmas 2019. 2019. Boy, that's fast. So seven, almost seven years. What were your views on Christianity then? I mean, I just didn't really think about it. Yeah. You know, I didn't just didn't really think about it. I didn't really think about politics, but then COVID happened. You know, shortly, what, a couple months after. And so that's kind of when I started paying attention. I was pissed off about things about Benghazi and Hillary Clinton and stuff like that. Yeah. But other than that, it was like a different world, doesn't it? Yeah. Definitely. It was a different world. But I just, I've just learned you can't, you just can't really trust anybody in that realm. Very few people he can trust. And I interviewed this guy Pete Blabor. If you heard of Pete Blabor, Pete Blabor was a colonel over at Delta. And I mean, we both know that tons of lies have come out of the military. It's, it's, it's, it's, I've noticed. Yeah. I mean, some of the biggest, he talked about the Pat Tillman stuff. He talked about Operation Anaconda, you know, another lie coming out of development group. Lots of the lots of lies coming out of the SEAL teams, lots of movies made that were bullshit. And, but he actually uncovered it. a lot of that stuff on my show, 'cause he was a part of it. And like the Iraq invasion was based off of lies. Do you know about this? The water truck and the air conditioning unit in the sentry guard. - No. - So there was a Delta unit out there. And when Colin Powell was what sucked up, was that what he was? - Yeah, for Secretary of State. - Yeah, Secretary of State, whatever. And they sent them some imagery and Pete was like, Pete, we said, I don't wanna hear what you guys think this stuff is. Me and my guys will figure it out. We'll get it back to you and then, and then you have an unbiased, we don't wanna be swayed. And so they checked into it. And so what I guess Department of State said was a mobile scud missile launcher. And a WMD factory with a huge air filtration system on the roof and sentry guards outside the door. What Delta arguably the best special operations unit in the world came up with is that's a water truck, huge water truck, 'cause in the middle of the desert and they need water. And that big air filtration unit on the roof is an air conditioner 'cause they're in the desert. 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For bullshit, the black water incident, that was all lies, they deleted the drum, the drum footage, approved their innocence. But it just made me think, I'm like, man, I'm like, I was a part of that institution. That's, I wish I never was and you wish you were never a Navy seal. I mean, I don't regret it. I enjoyed my time there, but I mean, it just, I obviously don't allow it. I'm with the ethics and whatever value system they're going off of, which seem to be much. But anyways, the point being is, that's just one institution inside of the US Navy. That's it. One small, like very seal teams, very, very small part of the US Navy. And he's talking about Ranger battalion, and then there's all these other units. And it's, and it just made me think it's like, man, like this is just one war in one small part of the US government, very small part. So that means every single US institution out there is doing the same shit. Obviously CIA, obviously FBI of everything, all Congress, all of the Senate, everybody in it. And it just, it made me realize how this, the whole country is built of dishonesty, literally lies. And then you think, man, I'm only, I'm only 40 years, I'm only 43 years old, like a very small snippet in the time of the country, let alone the world in all the other countries and all of their institutions. And then, and then it's just, it's like what we said last time, everything is lie, everything you fucking know is lie, everything you think you know, everything in the history books. It's all fucking lies, all of it. So when you look ahead, you became one of the most successful people in this business amazingly. So there's only one truth, and I think that's, I'm just not really interested in anything else anymore because it's all garbage, and it's that, you know, black book right behind it, the Holy Bible, that's the one truth, that's it. You can't even look anywhere else, it's so, it's so painfully obvious at this point to me. Other than the experience you just had that you alluded to, what convinced you, that that's real? Yeah. Well, I've had a ton of encounters, but encounters, yeah. You know, I mean, even after that, there's been a, it's been a long three weeks, and I'll just say this, I've talked to some of the most respected exorcists in the country. And I've been working with them, and things have happened, and like really scary shit. And if that's happening, and that's real, which is more real than anything I've ever experienced, than the other is definitely real too, that's right, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. If there are supernatural forces, they're evil, acting on people, which there are, and I've experienced them personally, then that's proof of God. Is that, is that what you're saying? Yeah, it's not faith to me anymore, it's, it's fact, there is a hundred percent fact, there's just, there's just no other way to look at it. Isn't that a comforting fact? Yeah. [BLANK_AUDIO] is I mean, I don't know what the hell we're in for here in the future, but, so, but I mean, it's definitely comforting knowing that if you, if you, if you do the right thing and we all know what that is, um, and you do your best, then, then hopefully you're going to end up, you know, in a good place. I'm not sure all of us know what the right thing is when you say, do the right thing, what is that thing? Oh, I think people know it's a feeling, do you think these people all feel good about all the lies around no, they get lost in them, they forget, if they lie so much, they forget what they lied about, can you keep track of them all? Nothing is like that, isn't it? There's not a lot of talk about hell in the United States, you're younger than I am, but we grew up in the same country. You know, you know, you can go a whole day without hearing anyone mention hell in a literal sense. There's no, most Americans don't really believe there's a actual risk of going to hell. Did you? Yeah, but I just never imagined it to be anything close to what I just experienced. No, never, what did you think it was? I don't know, you know, and I don't know, I mean, I don't think the human mind can imagine that kind of agony and torture and and aloneness, aloneness, I don't think it, I don't think it, you just can't, you can't put it together unless you feel it. And I either felt a small glimpse or I got the whole thing either way, I'm sure it could be a lot worse. I don't know how, but this, it was bad, it was, it was really the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced in my entire life, I can't even just, I just can't even describe it. I actually brought my priest on and recorded a whole episode on this. I don't know if I'll release it because it's, it's, I mean, it's personal. But I want it for my family to see if nothing else, you know, I want my son and my daughter to, to see it eventually, maybe they'll go through something similar. And like I said, it's ongoing. So I want to, I'm not out of whatever this is yet. So I want to document the whole spirit, experience, some people journal, I just shoot the video by talk. Why wouldn't you release that? I don't know. I don't know. I just want to make sure I have a, I'm in a clear headspace before I, before I do do it. You know what I mean? I, I think that's where he was. I never wait for a clear headspace before making the suit. I usually don't either. I feel the price made it. Usually don't either. Yeah. No, I'm not a pause before acting guy. It gets, I mean, I think, you know, I've been pretty vulnerable, I'm an open book. And it's, what, what, I don't know. Maybe I just saved this one from myself because a lot, most of my stuff is out there. 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Yeah, I don't. I just, I don't, I don't like doing them anymore. I feel like everybody has an expectation of me and, and I never want to get caught up talking about shit that, you know, that I don't know. I see a lot of people that, you know, that they, they turn into a character, they feel pressure like they have to know something and then they just fucking go with it. And the next thing, you know, it's like, you actually have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I've been there so many. If you run a cable news show where you're not in control of the topics, you're responding to the day's news. I did this for like 25 years. And you just, you know, you look at the papers or Twitter or whatever and so whatever everyone's talking about, that's what you have to talk about. And sometimes it's right in your sweet spot of knowledge and other times it's so far out, you know, it's about American Indian reservation policy or something like you don't know anything and you all of a sudden you sort of look down on the set and see yourself speaking when kind of a commanding tone with false authority on something. You literally know nothing about it all and then eventually get caught. Of course, or you indict yourself who self-respect after well because you know it's all fake, which is worse. Yeah. And I've definitely participated in that, you know, definitely participated in that. Let me tell you about the Hungarian Civil War. It says the man who doesn't speak Hungarian or whatever, you know what I mean? It's like, um, yeah, that's bad. And that's the beauty of this gig is you get to pick, you get to talk about what you want to talk about. And if you have some restraint and again, some self-respect, you restrict yourself to topics that, you know, you have developed views about some knowledge of, you think matter, like objectively matter, you don't have to talk about other people's priorities. So that helps. Yeah. I like hanging out with you though. So I want to do this one. I like this one. Yeah. Well, I'm not, I'm too old to judge, but, um, but I mean, you know, back to the, it just got to the point to where I just, I don't even know, I don't even know why, like I'm just beating the same fucking drum over and over and it's like, yeah, what are we doing here, man? Is anything getting solved? Like, everybody knows what's going on right now, right? Right. It's, it's, it's, how many times can you point out that everything's alive before it's like pointless, pretty much, and discouraging, by the way, is that this is what I think to myself because I have had exams. exactly the same thoughts that you're describing. It's like, is it good to keep telling? I mean, obviously 9/11 is not what they told us. I'm not exactly sure what it was, but they're lying about it. Kennedy assassination. Obviously, they're lying about it. Everything they're lying about, 'cause they're liars. So I've made all those points about a million times, but with decreasing enthusiasm at a certain point, you're like, I'm telling people something they already know I'm not actually bringing the truth because the truth is unknowable. Like, I can't figure out what happened, really. And maybe I'm just making people hopeless. It's kind of what I'm getting at. I mean, what do you think it looks like if, well, not really, I mean, I think, I don't even think we're the super power anymore. I think that's becoming more and more obvious every day, but a lot of people do. So let's phrase it like this. What do you think it looks like if we do lose our place in the world? Is it, do you think it's gonna be that bad? I've been looking into some of this with what happened when Germany fell and what happened when the UK fell and what happened to the USSR when it fell. And some of them were really bad and some of them like the UK stuff didn't, it didn't really seem that bad. Like, they still had law and order, their currency was still worth money. I think they had a lot of debt. Property rights still existed. And, but they just, the world figured it out. We don't need to answer these people anymore. There's no sheriff in town. There are only two things you need to survive long term. In my opinion, one is a coherent nation. Like, you have to have Germans. Like, everyone understands what a German is. You've got a shared history, language, cultural assumptions. Like, you have something in common with your countrymen. And you have to have your dignity and your self respect. You can't be convinced to hate yourself just because you lost something. They can't break your spirit. They can't turn you into the prison bitch. And because if that happens, then there's no recovery at all. And the loss isn't measured in GDP. It's like much bigger than that. And so I would argue that the collapse of the British Empire, the collapse of the German state in 1945, the country was literally split in half. I mean, those were pretty soft land, dings on a surface level, but they were profound. And those nations were destroyed for all time. Whereas Russia, which went through in '91 when the Soviet Union dissolved, went through a period of 10 years of lawlessness and the oligarchs and the mafia and people getting shot to death in Moscow and life expectancy plummeting and everything that we read about in the Western press, but actually Russia remained a coherent nation with a shared vision of the future. It remained an actual place, like a real place. And now it's recovered. And now it's a great power again. It's a world's largest country and it has a sense of itself as that. And it will continue. It will outlive us. It will outlive Germany in the UK, that's for sure. Whether you, you know, my ancestors are from the UK in Germany. So like I'm kind of on their side in some deep sense, but just objectively, they're not going to exist because there's no such thing as a German anymore. The majority of birds in the UK are non-English. So like what does it even mean to, there's no country. But before that, I mean, it was a soft landing. Now they had rationing in Britain for 10 years after the war and they had rationed really. Oh, yeah, yeah, they had, I think for 10, some genius on the internet will correct me, but I think yeah, for 10 years. Oh, it wrecked the British economy, the fall of empire. The empire really ended in 1918, but whatever. The point is, Americans still thought Britain was a real country and impressive. It was our parent being ambassador of the court of St. James was the highest honor in the U.S. State Department. Like there was a lot of prestige that attached to Britain, not so much anymore. But the country itself was gone. And you know you're gone when you start importing people to replace your children. Like that's just the most obvious. What's your birth rate doing? Are people reproducing? Do they have enough confidence and enough self-respect to keep the project going with their genes? And no, they don't. So I think the bigger the empire, the farther out over its skis it gets, obviously, the more part of it falls. Exactly, the uglier the crash. And I'm worried about our country 'cause there is no coherent nation. Yeah. Yeah. Well. I spoke to an employer this morning, a big industrial employer who's a close friend of mine. So you know, Republican optimistic, very smart, very smart person, very decent Christian person. And he said to me, we have zero unemployment in the state that he's a Midwestern state. He said zero unemployment. I don't care what they tell you. We can't find English speaking workers. Nobody speak English. And you have to work on our plan. You have to speak English for safety reasons. And we can't, there's nobody speak English. And this is in a major American Midwestern state. This is a major industrial company makes things. He said we can't. Nobody. In fact, he told me one of his competitors was going out of business because of labor shortages. And the problem is English is just aren't enough. English speakers in the United States to staff a factory. Holy shit. So I think those of us who live in kind of like legacy communities where, you know, half of your neighbors had an ancestor in the Civil War are not seeing what the country's becoming because we're cut off from it. 'Cause we live in these little pockets that look like our childhood. But that's not a reflection of what the country is. Oh, that's not happening in Russia or China or Iran. So those are the measures, like all this stuff, like oh, the nuclear program and whoever is running the country today and Yeltsin versus Putin's like who cares? That's all window dress. I mean, those are meaningful, I guess. I mean, of course they're meaningful, but they're not ultimately the measures that matter or matters as who lives in your country. Other people whose ancestors live there or they brand new people with no connection in all the country are likely to treat the current occupants with contempt and as a source of income and people to be exploited. Anyway, so yeah, I'm concerned. We all are. Everybody knows where it's like to get stuck at the airport on a road trip and feel desperately hungry and that can get ugly because there's a lot of crap for sale at airports we can tell you firsthand. So bring the everyday bar. It's a glowing exception. The everyday bar is a protein bar. It's made from three simple ingredients. Beef, sea salt, grass finished beef tower. 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So, but you're saying that really the main problem to be addressed is not what's happening outside of us or when our political system but what's happening inside of us. I think as you said, we're all kind of evil. I think so. I think I don't know how to fix the Tucker. I mean, what the fuck do I know? But I think that I think maybe people need to tune out a little bit and start working on themselves. Maybe for lack of a better term, just be the person you want everybody else to be. And that probably won't work. But that's what I'm going to do. That's the only thing that will work. Be the person you want everyone else to be. Have you ever had this experience when you're arguing with someone up to and including your wife, but you're mad at someone who you know well and you look at that person in your mind, you're like, I'm mad at Sean because he's doing this. He's being this way. And if only he would stop doing this or being that way, things would be fine. And then this is like a very common marital experience, I think for people. And then you ultimately realize like whatever you're accusing the other person I'm doing is exactly what you're doing. Like you're being grouchy. Yeah, I realize actually I'm being grouchy. Yeah, yeah, you don't think like me. That's what it is. Yeah. But there's something in people that wants to accuse others of doing exactly what they're doing. Have you done that? Oh, all the time, all the time. And it's sometimes I can't even see it because I'm big on self-reflection and how I can improve and I'm really big on trying to make sure that I don't get too far ahead of my skis and my ego doesn't blow up. But you just don't see a lot of things. You don't see, I don't, you don't see a lot of things in yourself and or it's hard to. Like I said, and so like I told you last night, I'm not, I'm just not really, that's why I'm off everything now. The only thing I'm on is YouTube but I don't even look at the back end of the metrics or the financials like I used to. I'm not on Instagram, I'm not on X, I'm not on, I'm not on anything. I don't want to see any comments. I don't want to see any view counts. I don't want to hear Sean, you're doing God's work. I don't want to hear Sean, you suck. I don't want to hear a Sean, you're a fucking guitarry, whatever. I don't want to hear any of it. Like I don't want to hear the praise. I don't want to see, I just want to hear God and I want it to be quiet so I can hear that and and start leaning a lot more into my intuition, which I've always kind of provided myself on anyways. But it's, it's impossible to do it with all the noise, especially with all the praise, you know, and so I need it to be quiet. So I know what to do and I know how to act. People will hear that and say, but you run more than the biggest podcasts and your podcast is about the rest of the world. How do you know what's happening in the rest of the world outside of your own home if you're not on social media? I don't care anymore. My podcast will be whatever I want it to be, you know, and it always has. Well, I guess I can't say it always has been because I leaned into the audience, sir, for about probably a little over a year, like leading up to the last presidential election, you know, I was doing what I wanted to do. But then I saw, you know, that's when all the praise started coming and and I'm just, I'm done with that. So I'm just waiting for God's direction to tell me what to do and then move with the Bible thing. I think that's what I think that's what I'm supposed to do to your audience. I mean, that's a very familiar thing to anyone who does this for all of them. Can you just describe that a little more for people who don't? Well, I mean, it's it's what I've been saying. It's it's the praise. It's the comments to it, programming on the basis of it. It's what are they? Oh, these numbers shot up. We need to do more of this. Oh, that's going to be big numbers. Let's do that, you know, and I mean, I'm not saying like I totally sold out to it or anything, but it was a big driver. It was huge driver. Yes, you know, and and I wanted to I wanted to I wanted to take the numbers one slot. I wanted the 200 million dollar deal that Rogan got. I'm not going to get it. It's just not how my life works. I always have to nothing has ever handed to me. And I always have to find other avenues to get what I want. Would you want 200 million dollars? Yeah. I mean, of course, that's what I want it. Now I don't give a shit because I now I see it. It's just never fucking ends. It never ends. At this or now, I don't because now I I was you know, another thing I was I was putting business and and money over I hate to say it like this. And that's not that wasn't my intention when I was doing it. But now that I can sell for a foot, I realized that I was putting money and attention and and maybe power and I fucking thought I was somebody because of who I'm associated with. I can fucking access anybody in the world. What the fuck do you know? What the they probably know more than I do. I don't know shit. And and and and I'm watching my kids get older and I'm like, fuck, man, how much time did I miss like because my own bullshit, my own ego, like, I'm fucking somebody. Look who I'm having lunch with. Look who I'm going to see. Look who I'm talking to. I know everything. And then you get all the information. And what do you do with it? Nothing. You just fucking look cool. You sound important. And your kids are growing up. Yeah. Makes me sad. I don't want to I don't want to do that again. If it makes you feel better having been in this business my whole life, I've I think every single person goes through what you've described. And the life cycle of yours is the shortest I've ever heard. If you like figure that out in a year, you know, while your children are still small, you haven't gotten to the cats in the cradle stage where they're like, yeah, you blew it, dad, we hate you. I hope I never get to that stage. Well, you won't because you figured it out young. You went through it really fast. But there are people I can think of one in particular, really good guy, great guy, very well-informed, very famous person in our business, missed his entire life. What's the entire guy? Fun guy to have lunch with. You know, knows everybody, knows everything, funny story, tower, you know, you'd like him. But a tragic, tragic person and was left at the end with literally nothing. God, man. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. He gained the world but lost his soul. And I know a lot of people like that. Me too. Yeah. So no, I couldn't agree with you more. So you said that you have a program. I mean, if you don't mind, I would love to know what your program is for keeping hubris at bay, for keeping yourself from imagining your God when you're not. You're obviously just what you were seeing. So you're a self-discipline person. Like what steps do you go through other than getting off social media to keep yourself from getting delusions of omnipotence? Well, this is all new to me. Yeah. So I don't know. But I don't know what to tell you. You know, the psychedelics cracked me open, wide open again. And I'll probably never do them again. Because they, because they, you got what you wanted from them. I can't say I got what I wanted, but I didn't get anything from them. I got it all from God. And I kept saying that like psychedelics would be like a fucking quick fix for me. I just want to clean it out. I want to, I want to, I want to breathe sad. And I would take all the science that they're finding, you know, the good things about it and justify it. And, but, you know, in the end, and you're opening, you're just in a forbidden realm. Maybe we should or should not be fucking around. But I won't be fucking around in that realm anymore. I can tell you that. And I got strict guidance, which, you know, I told you last night that is don't mess around in that anymore. But I've done a lot of great things for people, strict guidance from God, from God. And, and it's done a lot of great things for me. This is painful as it says to go to rope. It's, it, you know, it's, I'm thankful for it. But that, but yeah, I don't know what the steps are, Tucker. I'm just, I'm just figured. And I think saying it out loud or the first one, I think the steps are listen to your wife, pay attention to your kids, and some of the people that are really, really close around you. But even that, you know, even, even with my team, like I, like I told, my team's like my family, like Tim who said, no, but he's been with me since the fifth episode. And, Kimball is, he's been with me since he's 17. He's like 26 or 27 now. All my darren's been with me, he's a little barrier Elijah has been with me since I think the fifth episode too. He runs my whole company now. He started off making like 200 bucks in episode doing sound, like he's like a sound engineer. Now he runs my whole company hired all these fucking CEOs and all these big wigs to come in and run him. And this kid, I love them. He runs circles around him. Like, and I trust him with my life. But, and so we're like a family. But even with them, I mean, with the, the, my show is just gotten so big. It's inflated. All of our egos and so we're a bunch of good people with inflated egos that don't realize that we all haven't inflated egos because we built. And I would constantly am like, is my ego getting to me? Oh, you're good. No, sir, you're perfect. It's not, it's not that, though. It's not that they, they tell me when I'm fucking up, it's not that. It's just kidding. Their ego is also being inflated because they're, they're just as much a part of this as I am. Yeah. You know what, they've built something mass? And that grows an ego and they see the comments and they get the praise yes, and they stay go through all of that with me You know, and so that they're we're all blind to it So it takes somebody close that's not inside of it to to set your ass straight. Yes, does that make sense? Of course it it Absolutely, it's not the S-men. I don't have any S-men. I don't either. I hate people like that Fired all the S-men. I've had a couple hyper-annoying kids work for me over the years who I truly love two of them different times and they were the no-men and They would doubt everything and constantly criticize me in a hyper-annoying way But I trusted them because they were being honest. They're both kind of autistic And they'd be like I think it's really stupid what we're doing We sort of say shit up. I employ you But then I would force myself to listen and I learned more from them Both turned out to be very successful in life actually, but I love having people like that. Yeah as much as I hate it having people like that I always listen to them. Yeah. Oh me too I'm So as you embark on whatever is gonna happen next in your professional life This part of you think well gee, you know, I'm so successful in conventional terms Maybe I shouldn't mess with the formula. Are you afraid? No Have you even thought of that? Yeah Like what happens if the numbers go to zero? Yeah, I Don't care. This is how we're doing if um if it's not authentic So if they go to zero then they go to zero and it but if I am doing what God wants me to do then they're not gonna go to zero Are they? I? Personally think it'll be bigger actually for what I know that's not why you're doing it, but if I had to guess I would say that any one Even former Navy SEALs who've never been in broadcasting for anyone who's as honest as he can be succeeds. I think that Thank you But because they're so little of it That I don't think the measure is are you always right? No one is I'm certainly not But if you're making like an obviously sincere effort to tell the truth people people really love they crave it because there's just not much of it at all Like that's the superpower and you seem like you're embarking on like a radical version of that So I bet you're gonna have radical results. I mean again, not that you care and Because you don't care. That's why it's gonna work So it happens it happens and if it doesn't that's fine too It are you like the people closest to you totally on board with this I Think so Find out on we'll find out later this week. Well, we have the meeting, but they're gonna be you know what I mean. They're gonna be so Did you know that there were supernatural forces demons that could act on people? Did you grow up knowing that did you think about that? I definitely didn't grow up knowing that You know the first time I felt it. I thought I thought maybe we'd shattered about this last time But maybe we didn't but the first time I really felt it Was maybe maybe three years ago. Um, I just done the my my Ryan Montgomery who's you met mm-hmm and love that guy. He's one of my best friends. He's gonna be my son's godfather. Wow and Here next month but I just did his episode which was really like really hurt me and Tyler Entry Vargas who's one of the who was the survivor at Abbey gate who's like 24 years old at his arm blown off had his leg blown off Has a bag, you know And I'm like watching this kid like hobble up my stairs With the afghan withdraw and In the lies they came out about that and nobody would talk to him. Here's a god thing So I thought my whole team was like you need to get this kid I'm like he's He's got like every major news outlet probably wants to talk to him Tucker Carlson probably wants to talk to him Joe rogue I'm like he doesn't want to fucking talk to me There's no way and I pinged him on Instagram and he hit me right back and you know a lot of the guests come come out. We have breakfast You know the day of or we have dinner the night before and We're having I'm having breakfast with him and his fiance and and He's like man You started cry it and he's like man He goes all these news networks were Trying to get me and he goes good morning America interviewed me for like seven hours and Night they released like I can't remember it was like five minutes or five seconds I think it was like five seconds of the interview and he's like I was there for seven hours And he's like I looked at my fiance and he goes I just wish the Sean Ryan guy would just reach out to me and he pulled up his phone And sure shit there was a message from me and he broke down right there at the table that is wild and So me and my wife went to Sedona. We went on this vacation Sedona and now so I you know I was like I just found out how bad it is with what's going on with kids online and the sex exploitation and pedophiles and all that kind of stuff and and then and and like the day after I did that interview was Tyler Andrew Vargas and then and then oh and then The one friend that I had and and where I live at the time who didn't who is like a genuine friend of successful guy on some hospitals He didn't need anything from me. I don't need anything from him. I really enjoy those relationships I know there's not a fucking hidden ask getting ready to happen or some kind of a gentle or a photo op or whatever it may be and Like just genuine we can go out to eat and it's not gonna be hey, could you mind if we just you know Could you I got this new you know that kind of shit and it should genuine friendship. Anyways, he died and Yeah, he died. He died on a hunting trip his name's Dan Cerillo He died on a hunting trip with his son had a heart attack. Oh, come on. What age? I don't know he was probably Mid to late 50s if I had to guess but I mean I'm happy for him if look if that's how I go on a hunting trip with my son Who's raised and doing great? I agree then I mean as someone who's 57 though. I'm opposed to the time So all these things happen and then and and we go to We're in Sedona and I'm just I have a breakdown on the plan. I don't really break down other than lately and My wife's like what the hell is going on with you and I start telling her and then The last day I was like all right. I'm just gonna come off my phone for the week and maybe I'll feel better. I felt a little bit better And then I got on my phone and I saw this Country music star that I had a lot of respect for at the time and She's going on about how drag queen should be able to like shake their ass in front of toddlers. I was like Oh A couple weeks later she gets a big show and anyways, but I see this stuff and I'm like fuck man and so I tell I Smoke a joint and Tell Katie we're we're going on a hike. We're gonna go up to this energy vortex. I want to see if I feel something and Joint didn't help and we get up there And did I I want like bananas like this. This is one thing about the psychedelic stuff that I I didn't really like where it took me It it was I was looking for all these other fucking thing. I was into like looking at crystals and all this shit and Oh energy comes out of the crystals and whatever and We go up to this fucking vortex and then I'm like I I don't feel shit and So we're marching back down well hiking back down and I'm having like this internal battle in my like in my head and Like I'm like maybe I maybe I shouldn't be worried about disbembering kids and in and Politicians and schools and athletes and celebrities like push and you know, you you you should be the opposite sex And let's put some hormones in you. Let's let's get you in the hospital and I'm like maybe I'm the fucked up one maybe I Nobody else seems to give a shit. Maybe I'm the maybe I'm the one that's maybe I'm maybe it's me. Maybe why are you fighting this shit? and I just kept it felt like I was like surrendering my surrendering my soul or my heart to the devil maybe but there was like this internal battle going on and I was literally trying to convince myself that I was the like I'm feeling all this pain because you know in the map this is when the maps thing started coming out you know the minor attracted person can't call him pitiful gotta call him a minor attracted person because that's that's offensive Tucker and so I'm like trying to convince myself like to shot this maybe you're just this is old school thinking maybe shouldn't be so upset about all this thing you're the crazy one yeah and it's dark and we get we're standing in a really nice resort down there and and there's a there's a guarded gate and I pay attention that shit because I'm like you know my background sealed and contracted for CIA and so I pay attention to that kind of shit and I and you know those guys that demographic of people love my show you know because I'm all the military guys I've had on it so they all know me and they and they and I stop and talk to them on we've been there for a week and I get and and this old man comes out of the guard shack and he's like trying to talk to me and I'm looking at him over my shoulder like given the body language like not now buddy I don't want to I don't give a shit what you have to say I don't like I just want to go to my fucking room and and then Katie's my wife stops and talks to him and oh my god shit so I turn around and I square up to him and he looked at me and he bred my mind from front to back he said you know all this shit that's going on with the kids so that's that's not your fight and then he kept talking and that and I was I was like really worried about China that was when the spy flu spy balloon traversed over the US and he brought up something about China and I like lost it I was like how the fuck are you in my head like how do I how are you in my head and so I totally blanked out on the rest of what he said but I knew it was in I'm like said like two or three more things and then have a good night and walked back into his guard shack and I'd never seen this dude I thought I'd met all the people who worked there because we're running out and we're going back to our we're saying like this bummed little thing like a duplex and and there was this get my best friend died a heroine but he was always known as a protector's name was Gabe he was like he was just a badass he was a pro hockey player before he joined the seal teams he was an enforcer and then he joined the seal teams and like he's the guy like if you're in trouble you know Gabe's gonna come whip some ass and get you out of it and then we contract and then and then I met him contract and for the agency and we became really good friends and had the same reputation there and when we first got there we've seen this guy and he looked identical like same he could have been a twin like like you could tell him apart but it could have been an identical twin to Gabe and I'm in the super vulnerable state and this guy's like everywhere we're at this week and I pointed him out and Katie was like yeah that's looks identical to him if we're out in town at a restaurant this dude's out there if we're on a hike he's like right behind us or coming back if we go to the pool he's at the pool and it was just weird it's like this guy's like always around yes no one on well coincidence though like I'm on top of shit like that you know and I didn't get I know where you're going it wasn't like surveillance or anything like that and so we're walking back to the bungalow that we've been at all week and I'm like I think I think that guy in the guard shack was God just talking to me and Katie goes yeah you think Sean and I was like I was like that's that's fucking crazy and she's like that's not fucking crazy she said Sean God's always talking to you you just don't make the room to let him in and then we go to our bungalow and this dude is staying in the other side of it so I took that as this guy's like maybe some other something else I'm watching over us all men this vulnerable state and then I get into the bungalow and I start crying and I'm like what the hell is going on and get this shit let me pull this text up I'll read it to you we're talking and uh my phone dings and it's Dan's daughter who I've never met she doesn't have my number her dad just died and I get this text on the hunting trip with his son yeah it says hey Sean this is Taylor Dan's daughter my dad requested that I reach out to you I had a moment with him the other day when my mom and I walked into his gun room it was the first time she had been in there since his passing and I felt the whole room waking like a visible like invisible stars were just bouncing off the walls there were a few people in the room but he really grabbed me by the balls as he would say and made a couple of clear points I want you to know he spoke very gently very smooth like and he was calm and tranquil one favor he asked of me is that I contact you when I'm ready he didn't give me any more direction than that but I think he would just like you I think he would just like you to know he sees you or feels you my mom told me recently you had become his best friend and favorite person to be around and if that's true it's safe to say he really loved you just exactly as you are unfortunately my dad didn't really talk about our personal lives we have more of a feeling type relationship not a lot of talking but just the right amount of loving from afar if there's if there's ever a chance you'd feel comfortable comfortable talking about yours and his story I'd love to hear about it and I'm sure he would too wow yeah yeah so I changed my life forever did you talk to her yeah that's an incredible story pretty wild isn't that did you doubt it or did you add to that point you knew I mean that was that all happened in about 15 minutes from walking through from walking through the gate to seeing Gabe's identical twin to dance daughter who'd never met me and didn't have my phone number texting me that this is not what you expect had been you got on the flight to Sedona that's one way to put it how much your wife said that God is always talking to you but you don't hear it because you're distracted do you think that's true yeah yeah yeah and then I think it happened again then that year and a half I was telling you about that I let all the praise and all that get to me yeah I felt too wrapped up in it yeah we've opened there for sure especially with knowledge it's not just money and fame or all that I've never taken any of that seriously but the the idea that you know stuff that civilians don't know that's a kind of arrogance and lie you said that you said like you don't know the things I know why am I even listening to you yeah I've definitely been there it's pretty fucked up place to be yeah pretty it's a pretty subtle temptation too because of course what who doesn't want more knowledge is in the whole point of this business to find out how things work that's what everybody will make you think well it's what I've always assumed and then as my wife once pointed out to me Adam and Eve didn't get ejected from the garden because of their ignorance but because of their knowledge so you know the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake you know I mixed feelings about I used to think that was like the highest virtue was just to like no more but having learned a lot more than I think not to be arrogant more than most people I'm not sure it got me anything it definitely didn't get me to understanding yeah Did you feel that as you, like learned, as you uncovered more and more lies, did you feel happier, more content, more at peace? Did you feel you had a deeper understanding of other people or did you just feel agitated? - Oh, just agitated, just anger and rage and all the time. I bring it home and I try to play with my kids and that wasn't there. My head wasn't there, you know? And I try to smoke a joint or something to get in the present moment, that wouldn't work. So I could all of that shit. I have no vices now, it's great. When did you give up weed? - About a month ago. (laughing) - How's it going? - Great. - Any downsides? - Nope. - Didn't affect your sleep. - I don't know what's affected my sleep. - You can't sleep anyway, so that's not. - That's not, that's all this other stuff that I'm going through right now. That's affected my sleep, it's not that. But you give up weed, no drinking, no drinking, having had a drop in over four years. That happened after I have a gain. And then, yeah, now no caffeine. - No caffeine. - No nicotine. - No nicotine. - Sorry. - Okay, now, sorry. But, you know, Sean, I was with you up until right then, but you start getting into nicotine and that's like crazy town. No drugs, no weed, no nothing. What do you think of it? - It's great. There's just nothing to mask your emotions. If I can make it in front of everybody. It's happening, you know, when I'm reading that text, that would never happen before. I'm feeling things. I'm feeling emotions, you know, before I just felt rage, just anger. It's pretty much it, you know. And now I'm feeling all of them. - I think that's why we use substances. We don't have to do that, right? Was it a hard transition? Not as hard as you think. You don't feel on overload. This is what puts me on overload. Was it hard to get off what was harder getting off caffeine and nicotine or social media? - Bad. - Yeah. How long did it take to get over your withdrawals? Your ex withdrawals? Not long, you know, but my circumstances are a little different. 'Cause the things I'm dealing with right now, what I was, you know, describing to you with the priests and that kind of stuff is just so much more important and so much more real. So I just, I have to deal with that. And which means I can't be dealing with this. And I know what this will do. I know it will, it will throw me back on the path that I was on and just I don't want any part of that anymore. - So you're describing the phone is actively evil? I mean, that's what you're saying. - Yeah. - I mean, one person showed me, you know, I mean, talking about Adam and Eve, you know, what is that? It's an apple, you know, with one bite out of it. I've never thought of that. Huh. So it's like, this is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil basically. I never thought of that. You can tell either, you can tell it a deep person I am. How often do you have a realization like that and you understand that? Like something you've had in your hand, you know, every five minutes for the last 10 years, you've never really thought about it. - Yeah. - How am I missing the most obvious things? - I don't know. - I mean, I just, yeah, we're all a slave to it. - So you've, you're rolling out an app called Glacier. - Yeah. - Yeah. - One of my least favorite things to talk about is technology or apps. I should say, or other people's projects are like what someone's selling or whatever. I would net, every time I interview someone, not every time, but very often. It's like, I've got this new thing, can you talk about it? You actually didn't mention this to me at all. You didn't want to talk about it. And I hate this topic, but this is an interesting enough thing that I would actually like to push you on a little bit. Okay. So one of the big problems I have with phones is I don't, that they're not private, of course, and not just for us. I mean, it's obvious if you're in broadcasting, you know, you're going to be surveilled. So, and I know that I am. But just like everybody is. And it's upsetting. And there's really kind of no solution to it. I've spent a lot of time on this topic and I've never seen anything that protects people from it. And but it sounds like this app might help. What is it? - It's, can I just tell you the story? - Yeah. - That would be better than me trying to get into the technicalities of everything that I don't know and understand that well. But, you know, it came from, it just came from paranoia. You know, and I mean, I think the last time I checked eight out, I think I interviewed eight people that got picked up for the administration. Just a lot of two of them thanked me personally because they said my interviews are the ones that got them in there. One of them got picked five days after I released the interview, Secretary of War. And just like after they all got in there. And there's some of them trying to influence me and senators and congressmen and other people. And I'm like, and now that they're in there, it's like they want me to do shit or they did. I pretty much have made my statements like I'm very loud about shit and I want them to get the message like don't fucking ask me for that stuff. And when I get, I got paranoid. Like, are they monitoring me now? Because they're worried I'm gonna go against them or like what's going on? And then the Baosh Kim interview happened or, you know, in Taiwan and I started getting paranoid about that. So anyways, I started looking up. I was like, I need like something, if anything, just for peace of mind. Like, are they listening? And when I'm talking to my wife or like listening and when I go to dinners with people, like what is happening? And so I started answering yes. - Yeah, so I started asking around for a black phone. I'm like, what is the one that people are using? And like, is there a real one? Or is it all these bullshit gimmicky ones that came out? And a friend of mine said, yeah, this is what the tier one unit and the intelligence communities and stuff are using. It's this is called Glacier. And so I called who's now my CEO, Elijah. And I was like, hey, get in touch with this company. And let's, I want a phone and I want one for everybody on the team. And so he got in touch and I was like, see if they're interested in an advertising. And it's like, yeah, they love the show. I was like, really? Yeah, that's cool. And I was like, see if they're interested. - That's a community that washes your show. I think it's fair to say. - Yeah. And I was like, see if they want to do an equity deal. Yeah, they want to do an equity deal. And I was like, all right, well, let's get the product and see if we like it and if it actually works. And then I found out the price of the product. And I was like, holy shit. Like it's, it's very expensive for a phone and even more expensive for the service. Like ish, like ballpark, like a close to 10 grand for the phone. And maybe a little bit more than that for the service. And so I was like, man, that's a lot. - Yeah, I'm like, well, we're getting 'em 'cause I'm super fucking paranoid. And they have like kidnapping features for your kids and they can upload and delete footprints in different countries so that it makes them, they can do all kinds of like wazoo shit. Like totally delete your digital footprint, you know, from wherever and upload a fake one. Like they can do all kinds of like, they have a messaging service that tunnels you in. So like, you know, the signal leak that happened early on, that's impossible to happen. You could have your entire organization in this one chat where you can't accidentally add the wrong Tucker in there. And you couldn't put Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic on your group text. - Yeah, exactly, okay. - Yeah, that might be worth 10 grand. - Yeah, actually, yeah. So anyways, I was like, man, I would love to do business with you guys, but I was like, this we're shooting for like Top tier tech CEOs see sweet execs and maybe government contracts, which you guys already have a foothold in and I was like I was like, I would be interested if you had like an application that was maybe You know close to that or maybe some of the features that you have in this aren't in that, you know something that's more affordable That everybody can use and they said well, we We obviously have a program we can turn it into an app and I was like, all right, let's see what that looks like so we we we did it and we spent about a year putting it all together and So it's called the glacier app and it's you know a lot of the VPN companies that Podcasts are representing our own by China or their own by Israel or their own by Russia. They're fake. Yeah And I mean, you can you can look it up. Don't take my word for it drop to VPN sponsor over this exact question me too Yeah, me too and And I didn't know that I didn't know that the VPN is basically a digital honey trap. Yeah, and so You know in one in a lot like there's a Chinese company that owns like a whole conglomeran of these things So you so anyways, we're all American VPNs No data is stored at all Secure DNS Data blocking so I think this morning before I came in here. We just launched it like it just happened to come out like two days ago and just by what 11 a.m. We had like eight hundred and thirty web trackers blocked on the phone Which is the marketing shit and I don't even have social media apps on my phone. I told you I deleted them all and Then it has a we have a burner number service on there. So Especially for somebody like you or I Who's meeting all these people? Maybe you don't want everybody to have your number so you can You can Go in there and pick any any area code you want by a burner number and give that to these state actors or For regular people, you know, you get a hotel. You do a poll You make a contribution to a political campaign you order a pizza you whatever it is like that your number You know goes up for sale and then you're getting 50 million spam calls so you can By however many burner numbers you want and if the relationship goes sour You just burn the number and pick a new one and And then they have no way to contact you ever again So yeah, we call it the glacier app and and that's It's affordable Everybody can get it does it help prevent you from being spied on It does the things that I told you it does, you know And so there's nothing that's full full proof being honest, you know, like I'm sure there's some way to possibly defeat it, but You know for for the majority of stuff. It's gonna block 99% of the stuff that comes in What if your phone number's on the internet What if your phone number's on the internet my number's on the internet. Well, I mean it's not going to delete your phone number off the internet Damn, but but you can get as many no one says you want So and you just go to the the Apple store and get it Yep, you go to the Apple store and get it Or at the glacier app.com either here one. It's just for iOS right now. We'll have Android out in a couple months, but with your number just, you know glacier aside What You never just if you get rid of your number you want to keep it and get a new one You don't want to you don't want to burn the number that you have all your banks and all that kind of stuff, too because if somebody else picks that up and It would be bad deal for you. It would be a bad deal. Yeah I don't I don't do online banking as a result or online whatever. Yeah, I don't do online anything That's right. Yeah, I don't I just I never was impressed by all that stuff I order ammo on my phone. That's it. The only transaction I do on my phone Well, but you get a lot of that. I do. Yeah, I have a lot of that um So what I know you're not in the business of giving Like advice to people you're clearly coming from a place especially now of like genuine humility And you said it's important to work on yourself before you start Running around telling other people how to live and I respect all of that But if you know if you had a son who was like 15 or 25 or you know older And said what what advice would you give me about how to live what would your advice be Don't put your faith in any man. Yeah Don't be disappointed every single time Yeah That's really wise. There's something in us that wants to believe in other people Did you put your faith in Pete Higgseth? Yep What would you take away from your interview with him Well If I remember right I mean, I don't remember the interview that well, but if I remember right Pete wanted to be the secretary of the veterans affairs He did in the first term and I just have no I just don't really have much interest in the veterans affairs And so I steered the interview into what would you do if you were secretary of defense Because I was much more interested in that kind of stuff than I was with the veterans affairs being a veteran I just think the VA is a lost cost really yeah and um and And so I steered it that way And then five days later the fucking after the release The guy gets I didn't even want to interview Pete Because it was a book he had a book out and he's a fox news guy and I fucking hate fox news And I was like I don't know I don't know I don't want to I don't want to interview him because he's a fox news guy. Yeah, and um It was like all right like I think it was a whatever. I was like all right. We'll do it and then it was like All right, hurry up and get this interview out. I just you just get it out Like let's get this over what you think you're about to change history of the world. Yeah And then five days later he gets picked up for secretary of defense What did you think when you heard that I was like holy shit That's crazy and then it inflated my ego. I'm like holy shit the show has powered Then I went to the army named me football game and he points out me he goes thank you I'm like I was up at the box with all the big wigs to you know vans and Trump and all of all of them and I'm like What the fuck am I doing here, but you don't you don't inflates my ego and I'm like holy shit, and then Then I really else gets picked Ash Patel To see you know, now I'm not saying like I'm the guy, but for that one That interview definitely had some influence How do you think it's gone? I don't know. I mean, I don't think any of these guys really have any you know the funny thing is like You see all these people get up there and they get addicted to this fucking power that they do not have You know, it's like you think you're so powerful. That's so but you can't even you can't even say what's on your mind like your power This you have no fucking power. You're just around. You're around power. That's telling you what to do and what to say and It's like well, I don't get the it but they probably don't see it. They probably don't see it But I think they have all this power and they really they don't have any fucking power Because they can't see what they really think. Yeah, they can't say what they were they won't even stand up for what they believe in man But look at the shit that's happening You really you're gonna sit here and tell me the fine country's going great while the president of the United States kids are buying private islands with bunkers Must be going great Fair I hadn't thought of it that way That's probably not a good sign then maybe no, I don't know. Maybe they got some insider information, but You know, I mean how can you like what Why do you hate Fox News? Um, it's so great. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should give it another chance as far I've been three or four years since I've watched it Me too. I don't think I'm missing anything but But I mean can you push drill down a little bit on that what about it turns you off. I'm just interested But I worked there at one point. - Yeah, I mean, just the, just the, it just lies over there too, I think. And it's, it's, but both, it's not just Fox News. It's all of them, it's all of them. And you see, especially like now, I haven't seen it in a while, but I would see things pop up on X and stuff. And I'm like, and I, I, the older generation that watches it, that's how I know what's going on on there. You know, and it's like, man, did you know about like this, and that, the other like, are you getting a full picture here? Or they don't know anything. It's, it's, it's, it's just crazy to me. Like they've listened to only, you know, one source. And it's like, man, like you, you're not getting a full picture here and they're, they're hiding shit from you. Even though they're not, maybe they're not lying, they probably are, but they're hiding shit from you. They're hiding the full picture. They're hiding the full picture of the upsteed files. They're hiding the full picture, if everything I ran more, like, is anybody over there talking about the petro dollar? Is anybody talking about the schizophrenic leadership that we're dealing with right now, like this shit with Canada, like, could you imagine like doing business with the US? Like the Canada pipeline, and I'm going to butcher this, but like, what the Biden administration denied it. They didn't want the, the, the keystone. Yeah, keystone pipeline coming in. And then they're like, okay, so then they do some deal with China. And then we would throw like a 25%, then Trump comes in. We throw a 25% tariff on them for doing business with China. Then we throw a 35%, then we do a 100% tariff and it's like, dude, what the fuck is Canada supposed to do? They tried to pipe it right into the Midwest. We denied it. Now you're going to, now you're going to, you're going to put a 100% tariff on them for making a deal with somebody else that we, they offered us at the beginning. Like if there, if I was a foreign country, there's no way in fucking hell. I would do business with the United States. 'Cause there's no continuity. It's just no, yeah. It's literally like dealing with a crazy person, like a schizophrenic fucking crazy person. Like shit, I just offered this to you guys like a couple of years ago. Now you're like, going crazy on me. What are you supposed to do? I think you're supposed to remember this. That's just one. I think the answer is Putin is bad. He's very, very bad. That's the, that's the rumor. (laughing) I think one of the main reasons that the United States was just protected from the rest of the world by the world's largest oceans. Never been invaded. Has all the natural resources we need, and a lot of great and smart people. The whole reason that we've been perpetually at war, really since 1917, is because identifying a foreign threat or foreign enemy or something to worry about for a way removes attention from our own bad leadership. It's a way of like our leaders to be like, "Okay, you're right, but Putin." But honestly, the problem's Putin, or Hitler, who's been dead for 85 years or whatever. It's like a guy. - Like this straight out of our mood stuff. Like, from what I understand, like nobody really controlled it before. Now, Iran has discovered like holy shit, like the United States can't even shut us down. So now there's some shit that's gonna be tax and escorts and everything until the end of time, because if we can't shut them down, then nobody's gonna shift course. And so, hello new gas prices. Like they're not fucking coming back out. - We just turned Iran into a global power. Yeah, and it will remain a global power for the rest of our lives, at least. Good job, Edmund. - Yeah, good job. Did you think when you interviewed Pete Hegseth, did you, since you served in the military, under a secretary of, well, then it was defense, now it's a war. In fact, let me just interrupt myself and say, what do you think of the change from defense department to department of war? - Oh, I thought I was stupid. I thought it was like, what, why? You'd know that's just gonna piss people off. What's the, who cares? - We had to make, and then of course, we had to make a big show about it. I mean, I think Pete has done some good stuff. He's cleaned up some of the D, maybe all of the DEI stuff. I think that's great. Good job, you know what I mean? But, but I mean, you know what I mean? I don't really know how much influence the suck death even has anymore, you know? So, good job on that, 'cause that sucked. And you know, I saw a lot of, I saw a morale come back. I still got some buddies in. But I'll tell you what, I just had some buddies leave. And everybody knows what this is. Everybody knows they're fighting for Israel. It's a joke. And this isn't me saying this. This is not me saying this, this is them. This is the guys that are gonna go over there and tear one, tear two units that are joking around saying like, yeah, this isn't even for us. And, you know, through just throughout history that's not a winning strategy. Well, especially since if they don't believe in what they're potentially going to do, which hopefully they're going to do nothing. Yes. But high probability they're going to do something. And they know it's not for the United States. It's for a foreign country. Like, then fights out of the dog, buddy, really. Well, especially because they could get killed. I mean, the kind of high stakes. That's why I'm getting at. Yeah. They know it's not for us. We're not defending our country. And you think they know that. I don't think they know that. I know they know that because I just had a going away party for one and that's all he was talking about. But it's fucking sad. It's such a betrayal. Like, why don't you just get out, man? 'Cause it's what he does for a living, right? Yeah. What do you do after that? Exactly. Like, probably start a podcast. Yeah. (laughing) No, but seriously, what do you do? I don't know if we need like more shooting schools or executive protection. I mean, I feel for those guys. They have these specialized talents. Skills honed it. The great expense over years. Well, you know, you got to give them hope. And so, because yeah, that's what we're most of them wind up. And a lot of them are happy doing it. You know, my course is, but saying if you don't, then you have to be willing to reinvent and start from zero and go to one. And that's really fucking hard to do. But that's what you have to do. Do you talk to people getting out? A lot. Yeah. Not a lot, but I mean, I'm getting older, you know, so I'm losing touch. And most of my generation is out. How do they feel about what they did? Pist. Really. Majority of them are pissed. And these are GWAT people. Yeah. What are they mad about? They don't believe it was for the right reasons. I just told you the Pete Blabor episode, you know, the whole Iraq invasion was based off of fucking lie. A water truck, an air conditioning unit, a guy taking posts outside of the building. That sounds like weapons, mass destruction to me. We sure showed them, didn't we? So at some point, you got recruitment problems if people believe what you just said, right? Yeah, I would imagine. I don't know what the numbers are. When you were over there, did you think a lot about why you were over there? Yeah. But, you know, information didn't flow like it does now. So we all thought we were there for the right reasons. And, um, really, the only gripe was coming home and listening to all the, all the liberal Democrats bitching about the war turns out, they were right in the whole fucking time. I know. But, you know, that's a head trip right there. That's hard for me to admit, but it's true. So that raised the question. So like guys and seal teams or Delta or any of the most famous and highly trained, a special operator types, I always assume that they're ringwing Republicans. I've always thought that is that still true? I don't know, you know, I don't, I don't know. I don't really, everything's just so mixed up now. I'm, yeah, shit, you just got a love letter from my mother-in-law who hated you a year ago. You know what I mean, everybody's mixed up. I don't think anybody knows me a very nice letter. She's now a subscriber. I thought she was never going to talk to me when you wrote her a letter a year ago. I did. I wrote it in jazz, but also, you know, from one Protestant to another, I thought, You know, I thought I could make a connection. But anyway, it's hilarious. She seems very sweet actually. Everything's so messed up now, that's right. Like how would you describe your politics? Do you have politics? Or you're just not even interested anymore? - I'm a Christian. - Yeah. So my last question is like, what do you think? So you know what's going on in your life? You've had, and thank you for talking about it. I know it's like, you're in the middle of it. So it's hard to talk about it. But do you see it happening in other people? Like do you think there's a bigger going on? - Oh, yeah. I mean, yes, I do. I don't know what's real and what's not though. I think that there are people also that are coming to Christ who are like, oh, look what happened to that guy. With his view counts, it's like the thing to do now. Sometimes, you know, so I don't know. - But yeah, I think that I think there's a wave of it happening. I mean, there's definitely a resurgence in the younger generations. - Yes. - You know, and so that's really cool. That's really cool to see it. - And you see that. - Yeah. - I see it. I see it. I see, when I go to church, everybody's paying attention. And I bounce around from all kinds of different churches. - On this morning. - Yeah, the priest didn't show up out here. - You should say, he texted me. - Thanks for coming here this morning. You want to go to church with me? (laughing) This is the least Christian state out of 50. So there aren't many churches and active churches, but you decide Monday morning, you're going to church. - I go through to four days a week now. - Really? - Yeah, I like to bring, I bring my two-year-old, and then the next day, I bring my four-year-old, and after each time we go to Mass, I bring him to breakfast and we get some one-on-one time, and then take him home, and then I go to work. That's the best. - It's awesome. I love it, and they're into it. - Really? - Yeah. I remember bringing my two-year-olds to church, and it was like a nightmare. By climbing on your head, the middle of communion. - It will be if I bring them together. - Right. Oh, is that right? You spot them up, that's smart. - Yeah. One-on-one time with dad, and they want to go. They ask me, can I go with you today? - Really? - It's pretty cool. Yeah, we talk about communion. They ask about the special bread. It's pretty neat. - And do people, who you grew up with, who you talk to, your friends, guys you served with, are they thinking more about God than they do? - Oh, yeah. All of them. All of them, you know, it's really cool, actually, is, you know, you're addicted to the fight, I can see it. These guys are addicted to the fight. I'm addicted to the fight. A lot of these guys have fought for 30 plus years. And, like a guy like Tom Satterley, who I brought to the out party with me. - Yeah. - And he was in Somalio. You know, and that whole thing went down. - It's quite a good man. - Yeah, amazing human. - Yes. - All these guys are like, you know, addicted to the fight. Now they're, man, there's just so many of us that are diving into spiritual warfare and learning about it and so that's, that seems to be the new thing with my old community. - Really? - Yeah, it's pretty neat. - I think if it is the guys who are at, you know, the real door, you know, people are actually pulling the trigger. Pretty secular group, I always thought. Is that fair? - Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. But, and these times, not so much, amazing. - Yeah. - Thank you for talking about all this. - My pleasure. - I know it's painful, but I think it's really inspiring. - Thank you. - Well, thanks for having me now. - Literally any time. - I love coming out here. - I love having you. - John Wright, thank you. (upbeat music)