Shaun Edwards to England? PREM Heats Up & Leinster in Crisis

"Kiihoi, elämyksiä näkyvissä!" Meri Museoita ja Satoja muita elämyksiä. Hyödynä kesän paras tarjosea hankin museokortti etuhintaan vain 73 euroa. Matkala elämyksiin, museokortti! "Nufampton orbea team the länster, bar for a better team the länster, to lose your better team the länster, but obviously are a better team the länster, the superstars they have, the player pool they have, is ultimately failed, and it has to come back to the coach." "The box have a couple of injuries, we could get a better result than we might expect if they weren't all broken." "A lot of people had jumped into conclusion that Sean Edmerson would now be available for England." "I could actually see Manonnu heading somewhere like Quittens." "And this is also open-sour, especially with the injury to SFM for Arme Andre Pallard, just to break our hearts once again." "Yeah, so Polly, I love you, but also, fuck you, prick." "Kolly, tell you what, mate, you need to come back and just drive me everywhere. I'll roadtrip to Bilbaal, I didn't do a single mile, you drove everywhere, and I'll be honest to you, now driving out and about, I even do in school runs, is inconvenient to my life. I became very accustomed to you just driving me everywhere." "You did do some driving in the go-karts and you lost just to make that." "Yeah, no Ben, I moved my Bilbaal blues, I had a fantastic week. Last week was a bit of a, you know, a come down in some regards, for me in flat out all the time, and having a great time, but no, I'm back. And I've, you know, had a week to recharge, I've been out in the boiling hot weather and some rain in the UK. And now I'm ready for the run-in of the Prem. And this week, there's been, everything's come out and rugby this week. There's been loads of stuff to catch up on, and I think it's good that we sit down and, you know, after spending so much time in a car together over the past month, we should sit down and discuss what's going on in the rugby world before the end of the season takes over." Yeah, we've got Premchat, we've got James Low, we've got Sean Edwards, we've got Nebah coming out, we've got Warriors, the mighty Wustow Warriors, the Springboks injury crisis, of course, Harlequence. Could they sign the all-back legend that is Marlonno? He's, you know, recently going to be leaving Toulon, that's been announced. We've got a response to comments. There's loads going on in the rugby world, Coli. And it's also heating up very, very nicely this weekend, which obviously the final round of the Prem, which leads us into semi-final and, of course, finals. It's going up to a year since we finished, by the way. It's like dawned on me just then. Literally, as I was speaking then, it's dawned on me that we've nearly been retired for a year. Yeah, I did, I thought about this a week when I was like, "Oh, it's been 10 months." Part of me feels like I could walk back into a changing room tomorrow, everyone would look at me and be like, "What the fuck are you doing here?" But I feel like I'll walk back in there and still got it. And then part of me also feels like I've been out of the game for about 40 years. So, yeah, it's a strange place, but it's a year. And yeah, we've done our victory lap for a year now. And we're going to have to reinvent ourselves from now on, Ben, because things are getting serious. Things are getting serious. I tell you all serious, when we were in Bilbao, is how much the refs loved you, Coli. Honestly, they couldn't get enough of you. What was going on? Dicco, we saw Karl Dixon, shout out to Karl Dixon. He marched right over to us, didn't he? And he said, "Here we are, my two best mates." Yeah. Which was a snide comment about him, Miela, Karl, and Bulblow, because in front of everyone, which got correct. I thought he was a good form for a play. We haven't seen him since you're sending off. And since our constant, I suppose, little jabs at him. Yeah, it takes it in good faith, I think. Well, yeah, that's laughed in me, so anyway. Referees, had a great time after we recorded that pod on the side of the picture, Bilbao. To leave the stadium, we went up and now through the sort of, an investigate box, and all the referees were there. Honestly, it was about an hour after the final whistle, and they were just kicking everyone out of the stadium, weren't they? But we had a great chat with. You had a great chat. He had a great chat. They were chewing your ear off, and you were chewing their ear off. I don't know if I was chewing their ear off, but I was listening to the concerns. And as we stand up for referees, and this podcast in the game, it's great. And it's nice, you know. Referees are people too, and a lot of them are great, but you don't see that side, because they've got to be the school teacher in the middle, which is fine. You're right, Colie. They're doing awesome job, and we always do our best to defend the man and woman in the middle, making those decisions. Now, some decisions have been made in France regarding Sean Edwards. What on earth is going on? Sean Edwards is deemed one of the greatest defense coaches in the world. He's been a great addition to France. They were a little bit leaky during the Six Nations, but I think he's probably got a record to suggest he can turn that around, or it's just a couple of games that got leaked. But seems like there's a bit of a fallout. It currently seems to be that he is leaving the French national team. I get the impression, all you read about the stuff in Fabian Golday wants to make a change in that role, and I think obviously the negotiating terms of his release. But yeah, it's an interesting one. It's. There were rumors earlier, weren't there, sort of like I think the rumors earlier in the season they might want to leave and change, but it's interesting. It makes me think a lot of the levels to think about, because Sean Edwards is, yes, regarded as a fantastic one of the best defense coaches in the world, and obviously he's helped France and made them better. But part of me thinks the way the game is going in regards to. If you think about like a couple of years ago, even 2023 World Cup when the game was basically like a kick, escort, slow breakdown, carry, kick back, that you could have these defense coaches that basically could tee off and you could blitz and hits. The game has become a lot more open and free as we've seen with lots of scoring, that sort of blitz defenses potentially aren't as good as they once were when the game was a bit more stodgy or structured. And you've got to adapt. And I think also teams are spending more time on attacks, they've got less time to spend on defense. I think Sean Edwards, who's probably a massive personality, he probably. I don't know, I've never been in the French camp, but he gets the impression he. In his home Wales, Wales were built upon defense and they probably spent eight percent their time on defense and fitness and that physical side of the game, whereas now I think teams spend less time on defense. So therefore, as a coach, you have to be able to adapt and whether his system is able to adapt to that. I don't know, and I've been a big personality because he wants to have a smaller role. There's all these things that I don't know the answers to, but you think about. And it's not just that there's a total dynamics of teams and coaches and what teams want. There's a lot more to it, I guess, than just he's a really good coach. But you know, he can be the best coach in a little bit for you to get three minutes a week. It's not going to be the best. So yeah, it's interesting and same. Sure as more to come out. I think there's a couple of things here. One is the French mentality and the way that they want to attack in an infernal, as you said there, Cole, is how much time do they then dedicate to actually doing defense? The other thing I think is you're right, there's been a massive shift in terms of theme and where rugby's out of the moment, which is a multi-phase attacking. Bull in hand, move the ball and essentially put defense under pressure. Where, like you mentioned beforehand, you could blitz, you could put teams under pressure because it was a kick, heavy. It was a very sort of arm wrestle sort of game plan and ultimately you could combat that by being extremely aggressive in your D and never letting the ball get to sidelines. Everything like that and shut down things. The other thing, a lot of people had jumped into the conclusion that Sean Ed was now available for England and available for other nations. That seems to be sort of the narrative I'm reading and seeing. The big thing is, I reckon there's a clause in that contract that does not allow him to work with a Tier 1 Nation for six months, 12 months, whatever it may be. So I don't think it's as straightforward as Sean Ed was finished as with France, England scoop him up because I'm sure there'll be a lot of chatter about that without doubt. He has had an amazing track record and you'd say that someone like Sean Ed was Wood suit England really, really well. Given the fact that England don't put as much emphasis into their attack as let's say a France do or a Scotland do, you know, that really sort of thrive on that multi-phase attack, keep the ball alive, do everything like that. They're more of a traditional set piece, be striked fast, be effective in the opposition's half but really be comfortable without the ball and squeeze you in almost draw out penalties and turn over for your defence. So I think Sean Ed was Wood suit England really, really well. I think the issue will come coldly and you'll be a good example. Given the fact that you had a brief time sort of dealing with contracts and stuff like that, is I'm guessing there's a grace period where he cannot work with a Tier 1 Nation. Yeah, well, I'm sure that's part of the negotiation package they are settling at the minute and that ability to, you know, with potentially a gardening leave or the Cameluck routine. And also if you are a team can there's a way around that and he comes in as a consultant or he just comes in one day a week to have a look around and you know, I mean, there's always ways around those kind of things. But yeah, it will be interesting when you look at England, there's always going to be linked with England because the thing has been linked in the past and whether you can come in and work. But Sean Ed was an 80 system of beasties personality in the way it's people fired up and he wants to lead and he was going to lead and he's always been like a lot of those squads. He's probably been a team has probably been a figurehead in a big personality and part of that is, you know, it's whether he can fit in with other teams whether he wants to run a whole way or whether he can just do, you know, you're doing defence and you've got 40 minutes a week or 40% the training time, you know, to do that. So, you know, it's those adjustments and whether his system, I think the game you look at the game now the defence is a lot less blitz heavy. It's more not so passive, but you get many in the line, you slow the breakdown down and you basically have to defend multiple phases. and whether his system can adapt to that in this multi-phase world, I'm sure it can. But you know what I mean? It's not just a question of, I think this is where people with teams, the simple thing is to look at it and go, "Oh, he's the best defense coach and he's the best attack coach and he's the best at peace coach. This is going to work perfectly." But as I said, we like Sean Edwards of Wales, who's the best defense coach, or probably because they spend 85% their training week on defense. They're a real simple Wales, the real simple attack. They round the corner, he played on edge, he come back 15 metres wide, carry, like, didn't top your head. But they spent a lot of time in defence, physicality and fitness. You look at France and you say they're a lot of time multi-phase, but part of me thinks France probably don't because they just naturally have their attacking game is almost, they go, let's just have a go so they can spend time defending and that might be shifting now. Whereas, you know, when you have that kind of, the control net was working a world where he only gets a certain amount of training time rather than the whole thing is based around the fencing, probably the best match for him because England are traditionally set peace defence. Structured attack on top of that. So we'll see, but yeah, he's a fascinating name and it's due to the things that are lying. Also, England have got coaches at the minute. You don't want to wish him an out of a job. So, you know, I mean, I know England have restructured and moved things around. So it's not just as simple as, you know, he's a job because you've got the people doing those jobs. So yeah, it'd be fascinating to see what he has. And if there is a period where he can't work for a tier one nation or can't work for any such as like, if you're friends, you're not just, you know, you're not just going to let one of your coach, you know, you probably want to move on and change, but you're not just going to go, my competitors have this really good coach. So yeah, there'd be something more in it. And also have all the information, you know, in terms of Galtier, how the French like shake themselves up because without doubt, they're going to be very much in the contention for 27 World Cup. So why would you hand over all that information and for like that? I think that was one of the, that's been one of the big gripes with some of the movement that South Africa have had, you know, with the England coaches going back that way, it's because you're like, well, you've sort of got all this information now it goes back and they're able to draw on that information. I was going to say one thing about Edwards is the fact that he has said in the past that he, I think in the Association, he wanted to win like a rugby championship. So part of me wonders, will he sort of end up not as much in South Africa, but like maybe helping an Australia and Argentina, you know, like one of those teams and just sort of be under the tier one, but just magically appearing those camps and be like, oh, just have a look around and help out. So, you know, I mean, one of England, he might one of those teams then, he does appear at the time and then down the line you see, but I think there will be a lot of change probably in, it's a strange, not strange time to be at work, but after the 27 World Cup, there's probably been a lot of changes in the rugby world in regards to coaches movements, you know, I mean, every sort of country seems to Scotland might be changing Ireland might be, you know, there's links with, you know, Fasca and Sarasons and England and this kind of stuff. So every country seems to be up in the air a bit. So, it'll be interesting to see what he does between now and then. He coached at was, so maybe a preem team, maybe wants to coach regularly could be that coldly, could be, could be going into rugby league, you know, could he explore moving back into that? I'm sure the thing with Sean Edwards, he's going to have countless opportunities, I suppose, that he can really sit on it and take his time in terms of where he wants to go. It's interesting you mentioned there about he wanted to win rugby championship, so where does that look? You know, is that Australia? Is he lured that way, given the World Cup around the corner in Australia? Does he look at Argentina? And he's in an obviously just made a lot of changes to there, all sorts with their coaching staff. Yeah, it's, you know, France, it's just interesting how it's played out. France just won the Six Nations. They've got a great crop of players, no doubt about it. They're, you know, just over a year away from the World Cup, you know, I'm sure there's, there's reasons behind that, that parting ways, but it's, you know, he's a, he's a big name and he'll be a big scout for anyone that snaps him up. And I don't think Sean Edwards needs to rush that decision. I'm sure he'll really think about it. And he say the obvious fear and naturally we're like, you know, England would love to have him. We'd love to see him coach England, but you don't wish anyone out of a job in England already. And equally, Sean Edwards may go, no, do you know what? I, I'm not, I want that job. Maybe on my terms, do you know what I mean? As in this is like, I want it after the World Cup in 27. I don't want to come in now. Think about great coaches is their rules have great options and they can be able to pick the one that's best for them. And you look at them football with your wide elbows as well. Like, you know, I mean, you can pick the situation that suits where you want to go. And I think he has that option. I think he's on that right. Obviously with his CV and how good he is as a coach. And yeah, you know, whatever he does, it will be best of him. You know, I could see him go to the NREL. You know, I mean, free if you can't work in Rebu Union, you're a TNRL because that seems to be a thing that's well, the NREL is massive and there's obviously carry over into union. So we can do that. It's the world's is always strong, pretty short. Another defense coach that could be on the market is Jack Nienenbar from Lentz to Coli. Yes, Ben. In a press conference this week, he claimed that people don't value me here to him at Lentz to let me put it this way. Who fires you? Do you know who fires you? The public, the media, they fire you, not the CEO. It seems Lentz. There's something ever since like the board I lost. This year we've been we've said before in the pod that Lentz has been a bit different instead of Lentz coming out before and a bit more sort of fighting towards him previously. And you read this from Nienenbar now. And yeah, Lentz doesn't, it's unusual to see this level of noise, I would say, from Lentz to almost like attacking it. I think there obviously is pressure in the rugby world and whether there's sense in that there or not. But yes, it's not the usual lines from Lentz to put it that way. All we expect from here. Everything from the outside about Lentz is set up to win, be successful. They have a huge play-a-pull. They have stacked with international. They go to the open market and lure high profile, successful New Zealand players two years in a row to come over to help them win. They've also got Argy Schneiman who's injured or be it, but they've signed him. They have a ridiculous squad. But the gap, the gap in Bilbao between the cream of the cropping ball, though, and Lentz was vast. They got absolutely dominated and let's not forget. I think this is one of the big issues. It got to the final for them to be exposed. We said leading up to it, we're not sure how good Lentz are. We're not how good to how good they are. We found out they're not actually that good. And the reason they got to the final is they played Edinburgh. They played sale and they played too long. Now they still had to win. But if you look at the other side of the draw, Bordeaux played Balfe. They had to play Toulouse, Northampton, Balfe, they played each other in an amazing game in that last 16. And you look at that and I think had any of those other teams been on the other side of the draw, Lentz would have never made a final. This would have been highlighted, not in a final. This has been highlighted in a in a quarter final, in a semi final. Because the crux of it is, they have been stuttery all year. They've not been that convincing. But the way that they're pools and the success they had in terms of winning their pool, they get home 16 home quarter home semi. And mate, if someone said to me in you, when we were playing last year, to get to a final, you've got to play Edinburgh, sale and Toulouse to get to a European final. I'll snap your hand off. I would honestly be like, that's my route. Wow. And ultimately, they're not as good as everyone thinks they are. They've been found out and it hasn't worked. You look at Nebah and he's come in in his influence. It's so blitz heavy that as soon as you don't win collisions, as soon as you don't dominate the game line, you get exposed. And Toulon had an opportunity right at the end of the game in a semi final. And Bordeaux just mate, it was such, it was an absolute battering. It was a battering in the final. And the way that they've set up, the superstars they have, the player pool they have is ultimately failed and it has to come back to the coach the way he set them up. They, in my opinion, Lentster, I don't see them making a final for a while. I don't. I think that team, they had their chances last few years, they haven't been able to get over the line. It happens. They're still a remarkable team. But the peak of that team is gone. And I don't see them being in another final for a while. European final that is. Well, we've seen the years time then. I mean, I'm all certain the fence more. I don't think I would not write Lentster off because they have an incredible player pool. And I think, you know, probably some of the frustrations at Lentster is the fact that they have reached X-MAT European finals and UNI never played in the European final and you'd snap someone's hand off to play in a final and probably lose. But, you know what I mean? And say there's guys of reach and they've lost five finals but they've also reached five which more than other teams done. They're still successful in the URC. So yeah, I can see why. I know you could everyone can say Lentster, you know, they've got a winner European cup. That's their goal, which it is. I agree with anything less than that as a failure, but it's also a higher bar. It's a different comparison for them than other teams. So yeah, it's, you can see the frustrations of the coaches in Lentster and what's being said because you can reach your final and, you know, lose no one else's reach no one else's finals. So yeah, I'll see you both sides. I think, you know, have they peaked? I don't know. I wouldn't say they have because they have an incredible player pool. They have an incredible ability to, you know, bring people in and move around. But yeah, it's tough. But when you go against the best teams in the world, like you board, I was that not only can match you with talent, but a fricking ginormous and have a physical, ultimately, rugby sometimes comes down to the physical matchups, the contacts and just, you know, being bigger than one another. And, you know, Ireland don't have those massive people that the French can bring in, like you've been to Amie Fooners, like you're part of. like you have Coleman so that they can, you know, hold in their triadage, snime and others. But yeah, it's, um, I can see the frustration from less to put that way. But yes, at the same time, you can see the frustration less defends because you need something to stay away over the top and it's not there. And you want to win Europe, you set up to it, you know, that's your goal is to win Europe and you need something extra. And I don't know what the solution is because, you know, you look at say, oh, other coaches, like Saint Shron, I just want to say that. But like, look at the coaches, would they make them any best in what they are? Possibly, do you want to roll that dice and go actually we really for reach finals and we can have a go or join a roll dice and go, we could be brilliant or we could be crap. You know what I mean? There's a lot more to think about than just, um, it was coaching and the result is you. He says the public in the media ultimately is what gets gets coach sacked. But he's also got a member that from a public point of view and from a media point of view, and I'm not a lense to fatten. But in terms of, you know, I watch them, I think that they've got their stacked with players is from publicly and from the media point of view in terms of the Irish media is they're looking at lense to and they're saying they've recruited a two time World Cup winning coach. Right? Arguably, you know, Razzie's right hand man. He's come in and he's come into lense to full one reason, one reason only to make them better to win Europe. Something that they haven't been able to do. So he's come in. That's that that's purely why they've they've they've sourced him. He's also come into a squad that is stacked with international's that have a larger checkbook than most being able to get the likes of Arduous Neymon being able to get the likes of Jordy Barrett last season being likes to get of Rico. You are only this season. And you put in the majority of the Irish team on top of that. Therefore, he is going to get heat because if you look at it from a from a glance, he hasn't fulfilled what he was brought in to do, which was to win Europe. And last year they didn't make the final. And this year, as I said, have they played other teams in the lead up to the final? I don't believe they're made the final. I believe that Northampton or a better team than Lentster, Barf or a better team than Lentster, to lose or a better team than Lentster, Bordeaux obviously are a better team than Lentster. And to Lone were, you know, a pass away from, you know, who knows what could have happened. So it's he hasn't fulfilled the role that that he was brought in to do. He hasn't filled his role. He hasn't taken Lentster over the top. They sort of, they weren't when these files beforehand, hence why he came in to try and take him over the top and they haven't. But also I will say, possibly you meet the whirlwind that is Bordeaux who are, I know that's not top of the table in top 14, but they're an incredible side. And I think they've smoked pretty much every team they've come against in Europe, apart from Toulouse. So, you know, I mean, like it's not the fact that we have to balance that out with yes, Lentster, right? But Bordeaux didn't let them be good and Bordeaux dominated. And it's, you know, I mean, I don't want to take any way from Bordeaux in saying that, yeah, Lentster should win because Bordeaux, this is an incredible team that we're watching, playing Europe and twice champions. They're brilliant. Other news out Lentster is this bit of a James Lowe. I'm going to say Saga, but there's news of him. It basically he's turned, apparently he's turned out of one year extension. He's out of contract in the year, turned out one year extension, which might mean he's ineligible for the 27 World Cup of Ireland. He recently scored a couple of tries, many Lentsters top try-score of all time. But yes, there's another thing that come out of Lentster. You don't really hear about, you know what I mean? There's a lot of Lentster and we keep things internal and there's not really this the noise and there's no smoke without fire and say with the news that's coming out of your bit. It's interesting to see from afar. The team that's been so saddles for so long and just seems to be automatic and this is where a lot of ruffled feathers are in the minute. There is. I think with the James Lowe situation is, you know, we don't know what's in front of him in terms of the financial contract. The fact that it's a one year, he might be trying to get a two-year deal. Obviously, do next season, then go to World Cup, come back, finish that season with Lentster. He could be looking at that. He might have opportunities to go to Japan, go to other URC clubs, go to other, go to Prem potentially or head back to New Zealand, which is ultimately where he he's from and played before moving over to Ireland. So you just don't know, there could be two-year deals, there could be three-year deals. You don't know what the Lentster contract is, you don't know what the financial benefit the contract is. Is he a guaranteed starter in just over a year's time at a World Cup? I don't know. You look at some of the guys that took their opportunity during the six nations. They're pretty damn good. So I think there's obviously a lot of moving parts to that, but as you mentioned, you know, likes of someone like Low, it hasn't been dealt with, it hasn't been settled, it's now come out publicly a little bit more, you don't often see that. So it'll be interesting how that one unfolds, but I think for me, as I look at it, players, you have a shelf life, you have a small window, you've got to make the best decision you can at that given moment. And if something's a one year deal or something, you got a two or a three year deal in front of you, and it's financially better for you and the family, whatever you do, you can never begrudge anyone for that. Let's just see. I think he's been an amazing servant for Lentster. He's been an amazing servant for Ireland, of course. And I'm sure, you know, whatever he decides to do, he'd thought about it deeply and not rushed that decision. It would be interesting how this situation plays out. I think, you know, you talk about Andy Farrell in the Ireland setup. He is probably one of the many quality Irish players in Ireland as possible. But then obviously there are other things that force, you know, these conversations are going on for the past year or even longer. So it's coming out of the press now and coming out into the the the world now. But, you know, what's going on behind closed doors will have been going on for a long time. And I think, you know, Andy Farrell probably wants a man of his James Lowe's stature and ability in the team, but they probably also understands that, you know, from a long-term point of view, Ireland might not want to contract him. He's so longer than a year or whatever it is. And he wants as a player, he wants security on two years, three years, whatever it is. So yeah, it will be interesting. It all plays out. And, you know, it will be a blow to Ireland. You would say yes, because he's a cause of players. The lion is shown his abilities. And the same time Ireland have players coming through the system and they probably want for long term and keep. So yeah, it's one of those things in where I say there's always two sides to a story and the player have to make smart move for yourself. 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In front of me, I have a list from a South African newspaper that has all the springbok injuries at the minute, which could potentially affect the nation's championships. What are they going to pick for their test matches, especially the first one in England? Offering Trevor and Kanye. In front row, along with Franz Mowherb and Bongi are basically potentially all missing. In the second row, you've got Argy Snime and Scott Brooks Laceel, so he's out for the rest of the season minimum. Your mo rat has a toe surgery in the back row of Ventor, Steph Dittoy, quite a smith. They're all supposed to be out for, Steph Dittoy's supposed to be back for May, but the others are out for a longer time. Scram halves, Ryanax injured, Grant Williams is injured, Hendrix and Zindrude, more on Evanderburg's injured and outside backs. You have Ethan Hooker's Discaiated shoulders, so it'd be late July August time. We've got Fassie's going to be June. And this week we've had out of the Sasha Fineberg and Gola Zulu has basically also had an ankle injury, so he will miss the summer series. So South Africa, anyone else in the world I be concerned. with this massive list of injuries, but South Africa, who I think used something like 40-year replayers in the past 12 months, I'm not. Look at that squad list of injuries. How would you think that affects England? I think South Africa probably have the depth to be able to cover it, but if you're England, are you thinking, "Actually, there's a chance to rest our players because the box aren't at full strength?" Or do you think, "Actually, we could have full strength, maybe the box have a couple of injuries. We could get a better result than we might expect if they weren't all broken." First of all, the amount of injuries you just read out, it doesn't actually move the dial that much. They are that stacked with conveyor belts of depth and great players. They really do have that amount of depth and strength, and it's remarkable. From an English point of view, I'm a strong believer, mate. You go there, they're the best team in the world. We go see where we're at. We had a really poor six nations, shockingly bad six nations. There's a bit of optimism after the last game. Why would you not go there? You're just over a year out, and I know it's been a long season for lads, but Christ, when is it not a long season? That's just the way it's put the exception. The only problem is that you're talking about Rest in Marrow, and you said you'd rest him, so you're calling him back. No, Marrow, I'd still rest because you've got Chesam, George Martin, Alex Coles. I'm all right with that. But the rest, what I would do is I'd go to there, and I'd go fully loaded and see where we're at. Then let's go from there. On the back of that, if you need to rest players, when you've got Fiji, you've got Argentina, then maybe that's the time that the guys who went on LANs for the last year and see where bodies are at, see how many games have accumulated. They've had you resting against Fiji and Argentina. If you don't beat the spring box, and if you do, you want to get a momentum rolling. I don't think you can. You've got a 36 man squad over there going to pick, and you're not going to be able to rotate. You're not like, say, I think that's a set squad, and there's injuries after you're out of the squad. You can have a squad at home, you have like a 100 man squad, and people go to Everton train while everyone's just after you've got a 36 man squad. I don't think you're going to be able to rest people from the start up. I don't think you can rest in the middle of three test matches. So if you go loaded for the box, you have to be loaded for Fiji and Argentina. Yeah. I think there's a lot of things depend on it, Coli. It's. Who ultimately qualifies for the top four in the premb? Because there's then potentially at least one more game, potentially two more games for some players. Which teams don't? Does that change your decision on who you rest who you don't? And when you bring them into camp, maybe they don't go straight into the alarm camp the first two weeks, maybe they get a bit of downtime then just to regroup and freshen up. But from my point of view, I just look at it and think the box. I don't see the box as being vulnerable. It's crazy that South could got that many injuries. And for most teams, that would dent. That would literally rip the heart out of the team, right? Leaves leaving, losing so many of those sort of spine players. But for them, it just doesn't. But for England's point of view, Coli, I just look at it and think, "Go there." And you know, you're. What? Just over a year away from World Cup. Let's see where we're at. And I know, no, you can look at it and go, "Well, you can look at it and say, "What's the point?" And I don't like using that term because actually that's wrong and it's disrespectful to everyone that takes the field. There's very. The very much point is we need to see, after poor six nations, where is the growth? And how do we close the gap between what is the best team in the world by quite some distance at the moment? And let's see, fully loaded. See where we're at. And then go from there. I think it's more important to go fully loaded against the box than it is necessarily against Fiji and Arshina. I know you won the risk of losing those games you do. And maybe I'll have a different opinion depending on what the performances are like. But I look at that first game and I think you've got an opportunity to play the best team in the world. And we can find out even more about this team, you know, just over a year away from World Cup. Why wouldn't we want to see that? Yeah, from my point of view, I think you have to consider there has been a long season. And I look at, say, Fringland at Loosehead ranks. And I see, you know, Ellis Gendur, Bint of Lions, he came off against Bath recently. But behind that, Fimbax has been out a year with foot injury, Ben Roddow injured, so you've lost your two depth there. Give that a shot in the squad. He might have played tighthead because you've got. Well, Stuart's out, they have Trev Davison's out. So, you know, I mean, you've got some positions you're already starting to. You've not got the. You're not at full strength to begin with. Count Dickie's out. Okay, you know, he sat on the bench, we're starting Fringland, Six Nations. And he got Thieradan and you've got Jamie George. But then you miss Marrow. And I think there's a lot of potential, not movements, but you must have to look at the squad and go, this is the decision that you have to make. Yes, you want to go full strength. But if you full strength with bloke, so are your third or fourth choices because of injuries, then it's a bit of a different thing you have to think about. And also, this is the last chance in the summer that players can come into the squad. And you see what they like and you can throw young guys in there. And for that World Cup, you might want to build straight through the autumn and straight into the Six Nations to have a settle squad. So, this is the last chance you can throw some guys at any much experience or, you know, low on caps into the mix. So, it's be fascinating to see, thankfully, I'm not paid to make those decisions. But it'd be fascinating to see the squad that Steve Norfolk picks. And I think, you know, you look at that, you from that squad, you'll be able to decide, not just by trying to little play, but the route they're going to go down, because either which way is a risk. You send your best squad, but with loads of injuries, there's a risk that you sort of, people get broken or people are knackered for a massive year next year. You send a young squad and you get battered and, you know, the pressure comes on that coaching staff even more. So, it's going to be fascinating to see what squad to pick. And, yeah, I look forward to seeing it. And I say, I can't wait for the test matches. Do you see it as a case of if you're going to maybe go with a less experienced squad and youngsters in some of its forces, you mentioned, Colin, because of injuries, a bit like South Africa. And England don't have the debt for South Africa. So, the gap is even more so. Do you then just run that team for three consecutive weekends? And you go, that's my player pool. Yes, it's missing a lot of frontliners, but that's my group. And I'm going for South Africa, Fiji, Argentina. And that's my core group. And I'm going to see what they're like. And at the end of three weeks, I'll know a lot more about those players. I know a lot more about the squad. And with just over a year out, I'm now clear exactly what needs to be done. And with the additions that missed it that can come back in, this is the route. Yeah, I think you, in our deal world, you would do that. Take, for example, I say back in sun. He might not have a huge matter caps, but if you start him against South Africa and he might not have the best game in the world, you have to back it up and see against Fiji, against an Argentina like can he rebound? Because you find out about these people and sometimes people have stinkers, well, it stinks in national games. I'm using him as an example, not say any will, but you want to see how they rebound and how you know, can actually have the mental toughness to go actually. That was a shit game. I played very well, but like I say, Italy, that's too lost against Italy and six nations. A lot of them, those guys turn around and brilliant the next week. So you want to see that. And I think, yes, you want to have that squad of 36. If you do pick young guys, say you might have to pick a loose head that is not that much experience, but it's like actually, I want to see what you're about and go play three games on the bounce against three different teams and show us what you've got. And I think that's what, and then at the end of it, you can make a more informed choice after three games and you can after one. Obviously, it's the same time you want to win games, so you can't just go, if someone has a complete stinker, you can't, you know, there's always a chance of they're going to drop you can't just go, this squad guys just go out there and be shit and you can play three games. You can never do that as a squad team, but yeah, you want to see this sort of evolution of those, those players and see what they've got. And you know, sometimes there are times where people are forced into the fire and they come out and you think, actually, there's something there that can be built around and can work around and you only find that out. What's the saying? Fear does the work of reason. There you go. Some players can definitely be unearthed without doubt. I just, I'm concerned about it from like the damage point of view is that, you know, there's a lot of frustration during the six nations watching that team. And then you go three tests and let's see more frustration. Then it's a long old weight until November rolls around and then ultimately they feel, well, they're under pressure, they're under the pump a bit again. So, look, let's see what the squad's picked. Let's see what the take is in. I suppose the, you know, Steve Borthock's been backed. So he's been backed by Bill Swini and they are a few. And I'm sure they would have had the dialogue of what he's deciding to do, whether that is a take a younger group and there's an opportunity there for players to play test rugby, see whether at on the back of it. You know, they're they're are vulnerable to maybe getting getting some defeats. But if if everyone's happy with that and that's in terms, not the publicly, but in terms of internally, then that's what they'll do. And this is of course open to Zool, especially with the injury to SFM for our May Andre Palla just to break our hearts once again. Yeah, well, obviously with Sasha being injured, there's a chance that Andre will be playing. And he has a very irritating, annoying habit of doing the business against England doesn't need us to be honest. Yeah. So Polly, I love you, but also fuck you. Prick. Text him now. He's actually now. So England fans, let us know in the comments. For self and band have different opinions, but we'll be fascinating to see what it comes out. But yeah, England fans, let us know in the comments. What you want to see for England team, whether you can understand potential reasons for rotations or anything like that. and what you expect from the summer nations championship. We've had a lot of comments come in from our episode with Jamie George on Monday. With a question from Jack Mitchell on YouTube, is quite painful to hear that England haven't really considered having to play phase attack? That is madness. Now I sense that frustration. That was one of my big bugbearers throughout the six nations. As you see this team, and selection has to marry team tactics and they weren't, and England ultimately, you could see when they were chasing game, when they had to go multi-phase, they didn't have the answers, and it was something that just wasn't high on the agenda. And we saw some big improvements against France, and Jamie very openly said, "You know, they hadn't considered having to play phase attack until right at the end." And that for me is, it was very noticeable. It was remarkably, like, noticeable that England looked very limited in terms of what they could do phase attack. I guess the saving grace is, at the end of the tournament, we saw that they can do it. The players are capable of doing it. It's whether they will be allowed and continue to do that sort of style. Or will they revert back to a team that tries to be low-phase count, be more comfortable without the ball? Like, without doubt, England have not prioritised that phase attack. It was one of my big bugbearers. It was one of my frustrations. It was a lot of the fans frustrations. I'm hanging on to the fact that we saw more of it against France. Let's see what happens in the summer. Because if we don't see it again, then the same question, the same frustration that I had will come back again. And people like Jack. England sets up the way to play in strong set pace, strong defence. Win penalty is kick the ball into the 22, and they have strike attacks. We saw against New Zealand, saw against Argentina, like they were fishing. That's how they attack. They don't play holding hundreds of phases. They didn't want to hold onto the ball. I think that's the England way. And I think of a watched Arsenal play last week. And they played PSG and they part of the bus there, 25 per se session. Do you think Arsenal played that way and kept it time to the game to penalties? If Arsenal were in 4-0 down because of freak occurrences, like say, the right one sent off for two yellow cards. They might have had a winger run around your defender and then get an offload away, like Captain in Scotland and non-ingames. I also set up to play that way. If they're 4-0 down after 20 minutes and they're to change their state and trace the game and do all this kind of stuff, they probably wouldn't have. they didn't train that. I mean, they wouldn't have trained having to be 4-0 down. Similar to England and Scotland, you don't train to be 20 points down with the man in the simbine. There's only something you do. You have to train your strengths, which is Arsenal's case. Parking the bus. England's case. Be that straight set pace attack. That kind of stuff. And actually, for the first 20 minutes of games, it worked. You saw against Arnith this school. We could go over 700 times. Against Arnith school, it could be a different game for Scotland. If Arnith doesn't get red-carded, all that kind of stuff goes differently. There's no charge out. It could be different. But that's where England's set up. So to say, you're not playing face attack, yes. Looking back on the tournament, where the games become really open and thing. You go, "Yeah, they should play multi-phase and they can do it." But at the same time, Ireland, Scotland, probably France, are further ahead than England in multi-phase attack. And I think the way it's referenced, I've strung to multi-phase attack. England, yes, you just say the slope to catch up. But that's not England have done. And you might find the gifts to inspect. More of a set piece, I don't know. But it's easy to say afterwards. Should have done this and the other. Which we'll do. But there's a reason why they didn't. I respect your views there, Coli. One thing I will say, though, is England have to close the gap in terms of multi-phase attack. We're seeing a theme in rugby at the moment where attack is being rewarded. It is shredding defences at times. And England are also capable of it. In my opinion, England are a better English team. When they do have multi-phase attack, we've got the talent, we've got the players, we've seen glimpses of it. We've got to see it consistently. And there has to be more of an emphasis on that. Because that's the way the game's going. And the players have that in them. And also, I think that's where the frustration comes from fans. Because they know those players. They see them play. And they know they're capable of it. And you're out in people like Manifesto, a boss who's been injured. And the firepower he has, we want those guys, ball in hand, touching the ball as many times as possible. Building pressure, ball in hand, going through the phases. And I think there needs to be a big shift. And it sounded like England did do a little shift. But it was little too late. And it's ashamed that it hasn't been more of a priority in terms of the way they're set up. I'd like to think or at least I hope that moving forward it will be. If it isn't, then I think the same frustrations that I had will be there. And the fans. My final point will be if England won to play multi-phase, they have to get their breakdown. To be better. We have a comment from a J.M. Williamson on Spotify. Slightly worrying or relentlessly positive attitude to a campaign whose only positive was a backs against the wall. Fuck it, who cares when against France? It's one thing losing. It's another thing losing with playing within yourself safe, conservative, not fulfilling your potential. And I think this is where the France loss sits better with people because you saw a team that gave everything fulfilled their potential, unlocked sort of the French defence and did like this multi-phase and played the style in the way that complemented that side. So you can deal with that. What's hard is when you see the other games and they're losing, but they're losing in a manner where you're not even seeing it, like even a remotely good version of fulfilling the potential of what's capable of that team. But I don't think the France, I don't think the France performance losses over, like, you know, for me, yes, you're positive. You talk about it because you want to be being onlooks the future and reposive things. It doesn't go so what happened in the past and like I think the comment from Jane Williamson implies that basically because they play well against France, everything was all right in the campaign, you can say that you lose because it's a learning process that I don't think that's the case at all. But at some point you have to look to the future and if you just go or you're shooting them, shooting them, shit, like you can get yourself in it, you're not going to, it's not exciting. You want to look at the positives because you want to next game, you want to be good and you, you know, we all live, I say hope springs eternal, we all want to look at the positives you want to hope the next performance is better and the game if that's better. So that's probably why we're coming from Red Gaza. I think Jamie George will be the first one on my list of England players to have a beer with. Jamie, he's, he is great to have a beer with. He's definitely my top five. So he's in your top five to have a beer within Carrington. My other four would be Elliot Daly, Marcus Smith, Olli Chesam, and I would go with Alex Mitchell. There you go. Good grip there, but there's one bloke missing. You best make George Ford. Yeah, Ford, he can buy me like buy the round of, round of beers, and then he can just be on his way because, you know, he's not a social animal this George. So he would, he'd make us all feel guilty the fact that we were having a beer and enjoying, you know, having a great time. So I think for George, the easiest thing would be show his face, maybe buy a round, have a sparkling water, like whilst we'll have a pint, and then, you know, he can go off and do his recovery and do all his bits and bobs. So I love him, but yeah, I just don't think the, is the place for him. Perfect, well listen to this please. Give us your top five guys you'd like to go for beer with in the current England squad. This episode is brought to you by Thrive. 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And the winner of that could potentially or should get a home-saving final. Exeter in fourth on 60 points, Sarasund, Irwin 557, Sarasund need to win to leap from Exeter and get that fourth spot. There's lots to play for, middle table bristle out, but then the top eight go into Europe. And that comes down to Sailor on 31, Gloucester on 27, Harlequin's on 26. So, Queens go to Northampton, Northampton visit Queens, Northampton they may be the rest. So, Queens might win, Gloucester on a currently bit of roleplay, a new castle. So they've got potential points there and sail host bristle. So, there's a lot of top end of the table and bottom end of the table. There's lots to play for this file around. I think Tigers will be frustrated with, you know, X2 came in an absolute job at Lester at the weekend. And I think that's now made, you know, life was pretty difficult anyway going away at Barth. And now it feels like, do you go there and send a mixed team and know that you're going to have to go there again next weekend? Or do you go fully loaded, try and win at the wreck, which has turned out, you know, increasingly hard to do. Go fully loaded, potentially win at get a home saying final, go fully loaded, potentially lose it and go away again. But the fact that these two teams could play back to back is actually awesome depending on how they set it up. If they go full strength two weeks in a row, like will they do that? Like Barth will because they want a home semi less to do want a home semi, but do you go full out? And let's say full short and have to do it all again next weekend or do you go, do you know what? I can see this weekend, I'll rest everyone and then we're coming absolutely like two weeks leading fresh ready to go for it in a way again. It is a fascinating mental battle. I think Bath will send their best teams after win. Bath won that home semi. They have to win. If you're less than, yes, you want to home semi, but then you're not guaranteed to win. So therefore do you send your strongest team and saying potentially get a home semi, but your squad then gets beaten up by Bath for you then potentially lose and then does that damage to squad or do you send like a certain mixed team and potentially just go look guys, trying to do as much damage to Bath as possible. Will rest our stars for the week after knowing that they're going to be fresh to play against and away semi, which could if they're still lose and next to win, be away in Northampton. But then we saw less to beat Northampton, you know, stuff them in recent memories. So there's so many great sort of intrigues and conundrums and bits and bobs that you've got to go for, you know, if I was in that squad, if you're in the lesser squad, I guess in some regards, you want to go to Bath and beat them and sort of test yourself. And if you're full sure with a full squad, you can't go actually. We know where we can get them next time. And also if you go the full squad and lose, Bath might go, oh, they might take the foot for gas and go, you know, next week we've got these. It's not a problem. And then you sort of up your end effort. So there's a lot to think as a player, I think you want to play in these games. You want to go down to Bath and you want to see how good Bath are because I'm not the lie. All the teams extra obviously beat Sarasda, that beat, X obviously beat Tives at the weekend. But Tiges are their lineup. We struggle a bit. Bath's lineup struggled all year. Northampton less to took it apart. So the top three, you weren't saying they were in great momentum and hitting their strives, Bath lost to Bristol. Previous week, Northampton struggled to beat Loster. So all three teams is not like that momentum. The momentum is probably in four from fifth with extra in Sarasda and those teams that are going forward. And even X lost a couple of weeks ago. So yeah, it's again, it's not unheard of this top of the table thing, but teams want to be built momentum, build momentum, going flying into these final rounds. Whereas none of these teams at top three seemed to be doing that. Fills more open than ever. It really does. And what I would say is, although Lester versus Bath seems like a huge game and it is in its right, for me it's actually extra Sarasda. That's the one. They've got history between each two teams. They've played each other in finals. There's been a frustration in terms of X to losing and with that team that was and the cap stuff. And we don't want to talk about that. But there's history between these two teams. They don't like each other. They publicly open about the fact that they don't. And the winner takes all is awesome. You've got the Mark McCall story, what a servant for Sarasda. And you've got some huge players within that Sarasda's team, leaders, international tests, animals, I suppose. And they're going to, you've got X to the totally turn their season around, given from last year and where they're at from. They're all back to stepping back into a more hands-on role. And what a job he's done. They're still that sort of cool group of youngsters that are quite fearless. Make the sandy part will be rocking. I just think that game in particular is the consequences of that one is bigger consequences than the Lester Bath game. Yes, the Northland next to Sarasda's game is going to be fascinating. There's currently three points to separate them. Sarasda's need to win as a standard. But ideally they need to stop X to get an anthem out of the game because if they win without a bonus point, they go to 61. But if X to get a losing bonus point, they're also on 61. I think Sarasda's been on points difference, but it's going to be fascinating. X to, we've seen them score tries in Manifayer Boe, so it's unstoppable at the minute. Like they get the bonus point try. They are pretty much home. So there's a fascinating game that, and so it's going to be great to see how that plays out. Because Sarasda needs to win. But at the same time, back your head. Yes, we need to win. But we also need to stop the opposition getting an anthem out of this game, which is very hard with a team of achieves. Let's not forget, as well, Colly, if X to do win and less to get nothing out of their game against Bath, X to will leap for a Glester, which will set up obviously in East Midlands, Derby for a semi-final. It will also South West in terms of battle between Bath and X to. So I'll be keeping our course on Bath Lester, but I'm so intrigued by this Sarasda's versus X to fixture. And the fact that there is a bit of like, there's so much riding on it. You then got the pressure of the Martin McCall stuff and you got the history between the two clubs and the public sort of, I suppose, frustration from those years where X to lost in final. So that one's going to be an absolute belter to be fair. It's going to be an absolute belter. So yes, this weekend the Prem comes to the regular season of the Conclusion, but last weekend the champ had its final, the player final at Bedford Blues. Wastowari is 1, 27, 14, which an incredible source of Wastow because in a year ago a club was only just re-imagined but B, less squad of players never. Yeah, it was the first reason they'd come together to talk about new squads and stuff. These guys are the first on their met on the training field. So for a year, that turn around has been brilliant. I will say shout out to Ealing who dominated the league and finished 40 points in front of Wastow and didn't lose a game. Wastowari's until they lost in the semis. But yeah, that's the champ playoff congratulations to Wastow. Do they belong in the Prem? That's the question everyone's going to be asking. Yeah, look, that's the thing with these playoff games. It is just a one-off occasion. And you've got to say like compliments to Ealing who've dominated almost the whole season and then not want it. That happens. That's sport. That's the repercussion. But that's why people love it. I think if you're talking about Wastow coming up back into the Prem, then you've got to have Ealing in that conversation you have. I know there's the grounds and the stadium size, never like that, but they've got to be in that conversation. I guess the other thing as well with Ealing where it's situated is you've got quins, you've got sari's, you've got Ealing. They're all not far from each other in that area. But warriors, how good. Great to see a club like that back up and running. Great to see the stadium they've got. They've got a really good fan base. Like the engagement, what they've been able to do, turn it around, do that. Huge congratulations to Matt Everard, of course. Head coach there who was at Leicester. He left and now paving the way with warriors and doing a great job there in terms of recruitment and the team coming together and peaking at the right time. I tip my hat to warriors. I tip my hat to Matt Everard and getting it right. I do feel for Ealing that's pretty brutal. But I think what we're seeing is like the level of competition there, the fact there's a playoff and everything like that. It's engaging, it's exciting. And look, I know they've ring-fenced it for a while. And the whole thing needs, we do need to think about it at some point because at the moment, our 10 teams top eight qualifies for Europe. Right, that doesn't feel like there's much repercussions there. You then have no relegation. So there's no repercussions there. You then look at the fact that the champ are firing it out, but ultimately they win it. But what the reward is finishing the league, winning the trophy, but not the promotion. So I'm sure Fervid Amalai, it will be reviewed. And when it is, I would like to see teams like Worcester back into it. I'd love to see Ealing being given a shot. And if we can get the Prem back up to 12 teams, I think that's when we had the, you know, most teams were able to then get enough fixtures, bring in more income and the sort of domino effect of that is a positive one. I think the Premier League is being expanded. I think I'm just thinking the top of my head here. The safe Worcester World Promoted on the back of the weekend. It's not like football, you can get 100 million from the Premier League and go sign loads of players to the previous squad. You basically, the squads are set pretty much already. People have signed, people have been released. So you then, your squad is set. So you almost need a couple of years' runway to be able to build up a squad. And then I think to be able to stay in the Premier, you know, you should just get promoted and stay because you saw London Welsh, you know, they fell out the thing, they tried to stay up. And it's just very up and down. So I think, yes, the Premier probably is expanded, but I don't think promotion and relegation for me is the answer because of budgets in the money to be constrained in rugby. But we'll see. Yeah. So maybe you ring fence at 12 and you bring everyone up and that allows the teams then to grow. And they may not be competitive in years to years 1 and 2. But by 3, they're able to recruit and that helps. So that makes sense. And if the champion proves better, you can expand it to 14. Much like one of the greatest competitions in rugby at the minute, the top 14. We'll just copy that league. It's fine. Yeah, we could copy that league because it is phenomenal. The talking to top 14, actually, Marlonneau, he's on the move. So he's left too long. I wonder, I do wonder where he might end up next. It doesn't seem like he wants to finish. Could he have a little stint in the Premier? He's actually aged 44 now, by the way. Yeah, that's incredible. I'm sure he could go where he wants, whether he wants to come to the Premier. You know, in South of France, the minute, incredible team, come into the Premier playing in January and February. It's a test. I love the Premier, but it is a test. So yeah, and we'll see. I could actually see Marlonneau heading somewhere like Quins. Like Robbo on the episode, he was really clear about the impact that Esther Hayes and had for that, that 12 and helping Mark, because they're different like that. And you think like, "None who could do that job for a season." Like Robbie Deans, of course, is coming into Quins. Hit Hill, no, Mar. I just wonder whether. That's a potential sign that they might sweep in and try and get. Other news out of Quins, Ellie Kildon is going to leave. She doesn't know where she's going, but she's quite interested. There's a lot of movement in the PWR. So yeah, we interesting where Ellie Kildon, from where she joins the Northern rugby. She is from the North, Northern rugby, where she moves to following Lone of R's foot steps and go something like that. Or maybe draw one of the Midlands clubs, but don't know. But it'd be fascinating to see where she goes, because she's a massive name in rugby. Yeah, there's a few like, you know, does she, does she go from Queens to Saris? You know, all the she got north, as you mentioned, sailor doing some recruitment at the moment. You got Closter Harpbury, very, very successful team. All you've got, Bristol, as you say, because I don't know, Marl went in there and the impact she had. So look, Ellie Kill Dunn is not gonna be short of options. Bit like we said about Sean Edwards, mate. So let's see how that unfolds and where she ends up going. The PWR final is of course on at the 27th of June. - Couple of it's housekeeping before we go, Ben. I've done my newsletter. It's out there, dropped yesterday. All about a trip to Ireland and behind the scenes with, you know, Bundy Akkie and Mack Hansen, that kind of stuff. You want to sign up to that. The link is in the episode description. Also for our follows and Instagram. I've been voting on the greatest club side of all time, which was sparked by the current board over versus Hurricane Chatt. That's, you know, come out of the summer hemisphere. Some might say, the hurricane's never been so popular, basically based on the 40,000 Bordeaux fans that now know who they are. The voting was unanimous. 88% of the voters thought that Bordeaux would beat the hurricanes. - I reckon there are another 11% short there, what it should be. - The semis are to follow this week. We have Bordeaux, the 26th, 26th Bordeaux team versus the Leicester Tigers, 2000, Jars-1, 2002 team, and then we've got Saries of 17 versus 2 line of 15. So get voting on Instagram. Out of them, I'm going to go for Bordeaux, would beat Leicester, and I would say, oh, Saries of 17 was a hell of a team, but so was too long to win the Gilaquette Cosmone. I'd say the Galactico's win that. So I'd go once again to French teams, get through. - And then we must give a shout out to Lou Sets. They're attempting to break their second world record. The first world record they got was the longest ever game of 15 side-red, which they'd last summer. This summer, they're trying to break the record for the longest games of sevens rugby. However, they do need a couple more spots filling on the female side of things, also some volunteers. I need it. So if you go for more information, go to loucets.co.uk/247-7s. The link is also in our description. If you've got a bug, I want you to set. - And we'll be back next week to review the URC, semi-finals, and the final round of the prep. For the love of Rampley. (upbeat music)