Share & Call the President & Tell with Brace Belden and Liz Franczak

Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out, I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. You guys have some of the nastiest strip clubs that have ever existed! Yeah, right after this. Do you have Donald Trump's number? Yeah. Yeah, I got his number. There was a news cycle where it was like, some people have Donald Trump's number. And then I realized, Brace is one of those people. Yeah, I called him. He picked up. I didn't record it for the show. And I really, I actually let a friend do it because it was his birthday. And he picked up, it was like 11 o'clock at night. We actually weren't that far from here. And my friend sort of panicked. He was like, uh, hello? And it was Trump. And he's like, and it was kind of like, it was a little bit sexy the way he answered. Like he answered and there was like a beat. And then he was like, hello? And he was like, who is this? After another beat. And my friend, in a panic, did, she said he was Netanyahu. And he was on ketamine in Bushwick and he needed a ride home. I would have played it a little bit differently. No, you gotta play it as the British reporter. Play it straight. And then see if you can get him to answer some questions. Yeah, that is true. Can we, can we call the president? Yeah, we can try calling him. Let's see if he picks up. Wait, can we just strategize really quickly? So if he picks up, we're going to go. I think you should take it. Oh no, that's a lot of pressure. What the f**k? You're a real reporter. Because I feel like you can do like, you can do like serious voice really well. Whereas like, listen to his voice. You can't really. I sound, this is the problem. Point proven. No, because I try to, I frequently try to fib to people in unfamiliar environments. And I have to talk to people. I do try to present myself a little more professionally. And that doesn't work because I feel like I look unprofessional, like genetically. And my voice is like, I don't know. My voice is quite unprofessional. And my cadence, I feel like is. And so I feel like Trump would, would note that too quickly. Plus, and I sound like a Muppet. So it's just not going to, no one's going to take it seriously. We could ask him to comment on. So I'm just going to interrupt both of my honored guests today, Grace Belden and Liz Franczak, because they both deserve to be taken quite seriously. Especially since we are welcoming them both back on a very special day for their podcast, which they co-host and which I love called Truanon. It actually is our exact, to this day, seven year anniversary. That's why I said that. It is. Yeah. Seven year itch starting now. I'm thinking of maybe starting a sports podcast in my own. No, we're a sports show. Yeah. We deal with sports and topics. But it's investigative sports. Yeah. It's a little different. So we do things a little different. Yeah. The only difference is, as we like to say, is that we're, we're white. And so we do it a little bit differently. Grace and Liz do not call themselves journalists, as they alluded to before, as we figure out today, what to ask the president. What they are instead are the people I count on to both research and explain America's insanely online era of foreign and domestic policy. An era shaped fundamentally by strange festivals, as you'll see. As well as this endlessly revolving door of arcane figures who seem too ridiculous to go mainstream, but then inevitably do. You are curious, it turns out, about things that I am also curious about and things that people are going to have to realize might directly affect them. And Jeffrey Epstein was, of course, the thing we first talked about when you were here the last time. The email release was like, it was such a big deal. Big story for like a month, and then it got superseded by so many other insane things that happened that it feels like it happened like three or four years ago. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's, there's been like four versions of the Iran war since then. Which brings us to last Friday night at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Because as LeBron James was busy becoming a Philadelphia 76er, the man in charge of all of these wars recalled how his aides, at one point, simply stopped telling him when reporters were calling. Possibly in an effort to just get him to stop talking to them. I'd say, Caroline, did the press call? No, sir, no calls. I said, nothing. That's over a week I haven't received a call. So I said, you know what I'll do? I'm going to give the press my phone number. That was the stupidest thing I ever did. I'm getting a call every 3.7 minutes. Like, the one from Brace Belden's friend. And soon, relatedly, me. I do like to speak to the press, but now I have the best system I've ever had. It rings, and just so you understand, you're much better at putting your name. Because if there's no name, I just, I just can't do that. You know, I pick up every once in a while. Hello, I'm from Reno, Nevada. We're a startup paper. We're calling it the Reno Express. I said, do you believe I'm the president of the United States? Mr. President, could I have your views on Iran? And I just hang up. I have a question. Actually, before we called the president. Okay. What do you make of Trump's comments about the soccer match? To get the red card revoked. Yeah, not just that. Although, I did appreciate that he seemed to think through his own. He was like, I know Trump is like, you know, master bulls**ter. But also, it did seem like he genuinely felt like it was a bad call. And that wasn't a foul. That wasn't even an infraction. That was two guys running full speed that happened to crash into each other. You can't take your foot and properly place it on somebody else's foot when you're going. No, these were two great athletes that got tangled up. Do you want to debate Donald Trump about the red card? No, no. My point is, like, I think the call could have gone either way. I mean, it's like FIFA refs. You know, what are you going to do? But I think getting it revoked was crazy. I think it was very funny that the independent part of FIFA that had to review this and that was very above board turned out to be one guy. It turned out to be. It turned out to be a decision, according to reporting, by one guy from the UAE. Chairman Mohamed Al-Kamali of the United Arab Emirates. The committee was neither informed nor consulted. The UAE is a top-tier relation to the Trump family's business interest and government relationships. I was like, okay, that feels maybe like it wasn't. That's an awesome guy to have do it. Super democratic. That's one of the most impartial countries in the world, man. The UAE, it's a bunch of different emirates all together. They have to, it's like a democracy. I mean, they don't have, like, a democracy per se. But it is like a sort of group of emirates, which just functionally is like the same thing as a city council. You know? But Dubai is the mayor, obviously. Part of why I'm realizing this is very difficult, given that you have the actual phone number for the United States president, is that there is, in this very conversation, toggling between we do maybe have the opportunity to ask something real, but also this is entirely ridiculous. Well, the problem with Trump, like, getting Trump to say something real, is that, like, Trump vacillates between saying something, like, real-sounding or just completely insane-sounding. And basically, it doesn't matter who he's talking to. He'll just say whatever. And so he might be like, yeah, we're going to add 50,000 troops to the Middle East or whatever, and that'll be a headline for a day. But, like, then he won't do it. Or he'll do it. And it'll have said something completely different. So it's like, you know, there's a certain limit to asking him questions. But I think it's always good to get a little soundbite. So this is what we're going to do. We're going to do an episode here, I think. And we can, while talking to each other and having a good time, have in the back of our minds, what should we ask the president at the very end when we call him? And if he picks up, how are we going to handle that as responsible citizens and, in my case— Content creators. And if he doesn't pick up— I think that we can call Pauly Shore. I have Pauly Shore as number two. Do you really? Yeah. I want to put this in the context of Brace's journey. To America 250. I went to D.C. Now, I'm going to be honest. It wasn't on 4th of July. When did you go? A few days before. Because I didn't go for the 4th of July celebrations. I went for a 4th of July celebration, which was the fair. Well, thousands are descending on the National Mall for the first weekend of the Great American State Fair. Exhibits for all 50 states and six territories on full display to celebrate America's 250th birthday next week. And everybody knows, same thing will go on Twitter. Same thing will go into a renaissance fair to look at all the freaky little elves. Same thing will go into a f***ing— Any kind of thing that a lot of people go to, don't go on the weekend. You want to go on a weekday because there's less people, more big turkey legs. Sure. I went with a friend of mine, Bobby, and we get there, and it is the worst piece of s*** I've ever seen in my life. It's on the f***ing White House Mall. It was like a billion degrees out, too. It was 101 degrees. It was 101 degrees. And Brace, Liz, for people who aren't familiar, Brace does adventures like this. He goes to— He goes to weird places. He goes to maggot things. He loves to go on safari. I'm conservative. And as an experience, as an amusement park, you are leaving a negative Yelp review. At the America 250 Fair, there was a row of pavilions that every state was represented in probably every territory. But I didn't make it to all of them because it was a little too hot. I would say about half of the state's booths that I visited, there was no things in there. I'm going to Illinois, right? What does Illinois have? Hot dogs. Pizza? Yeah, I actually kind of like Chicago pizza. But a lot of people don't, so I understand why they wouldn't include it. The Bears? There you go. The Bears. Super Bowl shuffle. You expect the fridge to be there. That's the one football player I grew up knowing about. I couldn't believe how big this— You expect the fridge to be there. Or one of these guys, or someone's doing the Super Bowl shuffle or something. Yeah, Lori Lightfoot. Lori Lightfoot there, one of the shortest women in history. Wait, you could have had Lori Lightfoot and the fridge. Can you imagine on a— Big and tiny. That's a classic combo. Master Blaster from Mad Max 2. There's a lot that they could have done here. Anything, anything. Have anything from your state there. And so you'd expect to go into these booths and every state being like, look, our state is awesome. But you'd think, oh, Georgia, we got peaches, and we got a different kind of gay guy. And you'd have that shit in there. But you go in there, and Georgia especially. I literally was like, this is going to be awesome. People in Georgia love to have fun. Every—there was nothing. There was no things from that state. In Georgia, there was just cardboard with ChatGPT with that, like, cartoon style. All the text with ChatGPT of just, like, Georgia's agricultural industry. We don't care. We don't care. Yeah, show me the peaches. Show me the peaches. Show me— What? You guys have some of the— You guys have some of the nastiest strip clubs that have ever existed. Bring some of them up here. Yeah. This is— They could have done Magic City. This is what I'm saying. You can smoke in there. You should let us— Oh, you could probably smoke in— This is practically outside. Can you imagine if you had Lori Lightfoot and Magic City at the f***ing America 250? The fridge? The fridge? What are we—what are we doing? What was the California one out of Kansas City? The California one was f***ing dog s***. I don't even remember what was— You got to get Gavin on the horn. No, Gavin wouldn't come near that with a 10-foot pole. Too busy. To come in with a new accent. What happened to the friendship? I know. Well, I go to the New York one. I'm like, New York. Many say greatest city, and then not so many people say it about the state. No one cares. Some people say it's an okay state in the world. I went in there. New York State is not represented. It is a tourist company that it was just like having you do QR codes so that you could sign up for their f***ing newsletter. It sucked. Every single booth that I went into that was supposed to represent every state in this wonderful tapestry we call the Blanket of America, I was disappointed. There was not a single good thing. There wasn't a single good one? There was not. What was the best worst one? Samoa. Really? Yeah. They got a booth. They got a booth. That's nice. American Samoa. Sure. Nonetheless, wasn't sure that they would get the invite. Glad to hear it. And there was actually a fair amount of Samoans there. And I was like, huh, that's cool. Probably not so hot for you guys, huh? But it is for me. To set the scene, if you go to a fair, the best thing about the fair is, see the beautiful animals. The biggest. Camel. Camel. Yeah. Oh, my God. There's always a camel. And sometimes a zebra. But there's like, they have like animals. The fattest cow in the state. The biggest egg or whatever. And there's rides, you know? There's some cars. There was none of that. There was not a single animal besides the most dangerous animal of all, which is man. Which there was not that many of that there either. But there was not a single animal there. There wasn't any actual agriculture there. There was just like $18 hot dogs. There wasn't like state food. I mean, imagine how great that would be. Most state's food is pretty lousy. I feel like this was such an easy layup and they totally whiffed it. There was three rides, Liz. There were rides. There weren't rides. They were exhibits. They were all by defense manufacturers. Like a Raytheon tilt-a-whirl? Yeah. There was a Raytheon tilt. There was a. No. It was a Raytheon tunnel that you walked in. And I was like, these guys have bajillion dollars. They're going to make an awesome ride. They could have done something cool even with that. Like, imagine if you had a. Like, ride where you could get on a drone and then you went like. And it was like one of the like, like swirly-whirly things. But you could like sit on a drone. That was like the seat that you were on. Like, that would have been so cool. A missile autographing station where you could put your name on a bomb. When did politicians start doing that? They always do it now. And I'm going to tell you, no matter what the conflict, that's not going to look good in like 30 years. That's going to end up in like a textbook or something. So, like, don't. If you were a senator watching this and they're like, you're on the. Don't get to anywhere. Don't sign the bomb. What about, though, the celebrities? Milli Vanilli was supposed to be there. Canceled. Well, there's only one of them left. Canceled. The only person that performed was Flo Rida. Okay. They had Janine Pirro was like at the. She's a star. I mean, she's the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia. But I mean, she's like a star. Yes. She's got some, you know, star power. Of stage and screen. Yeah. Yeah, she is. I mean. Because she was a fake judge on TV. Yeah. It takes some, like. She was like a real fake judge and a fake real judge. Yeah. She was there. She was like doing a mounted patrol to make sure that no one was scraping the. Reflecting pool. Reflecting pool. I went into. I went into the Capitol, but they were on recess. And I did go to John Fetterman's. Sure. You know, it's the closest one gets to see the scene, Bigfoot. Or like some other kind of like. Talk about the fridge. I know. Oh, my God. Those two. Two collabing? I want an oil painting of that. Oh. Oh, I'd love. I'll probably do some sort of sexual AI image at home when I make this. But he wasn't there. I don't know where he was. At the therapist's office. So, I didn't really see any celebs when I was there. It was actually a pretty big disappointment. I feel like the whole point, though, is there are all these characters. And when there are these big events that are advertised, whether it's America 250 and the accompanying UFC thing, which I'm so crestfallen to report, we were denied. We were denied credentials, too. We were. Yeah. I texted Brace while you were bringing life into the world. I was like, hey, would you ever have interest in covering the UFC fight? Yeah. And he responded immediately and enthusiastically, and we were denied credentials. That's crazy. But I guess my point is. What just happened to this country? I know. I actually would have loved to cover it. Because you're pretty good friends with Conor. McGregor. Yeah. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can go way back. I have his number. We're going to call that later. Of course, of course, of course. But I guess what I'm saying is all these events have been marketed and sold in such a way that I associate these Trump World characters with them. And for instance, most recently with this World Cup thing, are you guys familiar first with the character of Freddy? Yes. They turned that boy out. What? Out into the country. Freddy, L.A. 7. He was a total phenom. My mom was a big fan. She was like, look at this. Look at all this content. Look at this sweet, anonymous German character who has emerged on Twitter to tell all of America how great we are. He loves Pizza Hut. Correct. He was kind of like, who was that Nazi fellow who flew to England to surrender quite early? Stop. A little like that. Went to another country. Tell him you're so great. Taken to the capital. Rudolph Hess. Rudolph Hess. Mr. Hess. So he was like a young boy. We don't know. I mean, his face has been obscure this entire time. But one of the things he was given was this tour of the White House and of the Washington Monument and of the Indianapolis. And this is the interior of our government. They let him get in the reflecting pool. They let old Freddy in. Thanks to this character, Nick Adams. And Nick Adams is familiar to you guys because, of course, he's one of these figures that emerge online. And once again, you are left to decide, is this satire or is this the most genuine thing we've ever seen? But his title, I should just clarify, I had to write it down, is Special. Presidential Envoy for American Tourism. That's so awesome. And excellence, isn't it? Isn't there something that's like and excellence? Oh, sorry. Special Presidential Envoy for American Tourism, Exceptionalism, and Values. I love that. He should draw a triple salary. That is three jobs. That is three jobs. Mr. President, it is the honor of a lifetime to serve as your Special Presidential Envoy for American Tourism, Exceptionalism, and Values. The United States is a nation that, since its inception, was destined for greatness. And the story of American greatness is the most captivating, exciting, and inspiring in the history of the world. Exceptionalism and values you're doing? Damn. But Liz, for people who don't. Talk about inflation. Who've never seen any of these words in this combination before, or Nick Adams himself, how would you describe what his general sort of deal is? I feel for him because. because he's a content creator. At heart. And so that makes him one of our colleagues. And we should get that, you know, let's put that at the, you know, right at the front. So we can only be so critical because we're all in the industry. And that's how that all works. I am not sure exactly how much of his fingerprint is on all this stuff. But it does feel like more and more of a concerted campaign. Especially because as, like, I feel like you and many other people have covered. It's funny, like, after, you know, we're a week out now from the World Cup. Yeah. I was reading someone say, like, oh, for all the criticism, it all went off, like, without a hitch. You know, it was all great. Everyone, you know. We did it. We did it. And it wasn't so bad. There was no chaos. And it's like, well, actually, if you read the foreign press, it was a bit different. And I know that because, like, you know, my husband's Brazilian. And so he's, like, reading everybody and all the commentary from that. And for international journalists that were covering the games, they were shocked at the kind of way they were treated by the Americans. Everything from DHS all the way through what they were able to kind of, like, access with the players and the teams and so on and so forth. And so you compare that to then how well. I think the Americans domestically controlled how the games were covered. And you got to say maybe our boy is actually doing a good job. Well, what Freddie got as this special invite to Washington, D.C., was an American-style lunch. A bone-in tomahawk ribeye from robust American cattle from the heartland, comma. Golden Maha-approved beef tallow fries, comma. Crisp onion rings and hearty bone-in chicken wings, M-dash. All paired with the coldest. Domestic beer our capital has to offer, end quote. And Nick Adams, the figure here, we should point out that he himself is an American citizen as of 2021. Mm-hmm. Hard fight. He originally is from where, Brace? He's from Australia, which is, a lot of people don't know what Australia is. It's like a worse England out there. And for some reason, it's near, like, China. Well, not that near China, but it's in that part of the world. But it's closer to China than England is. They have a whole world. It's like a third, rather, for where it is. Antipodean. What? Yeah. Well, I don't actually really know what antipodean means. It's just something that people say when they're describing something that's Australian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Belonging to the area diametrically opposite oneself on the earth, and a colloquial term for residents of Australasia. Yeah, there you go. Australasia. So he's Australasian. And he, uh, he was a precocious young man who became a city counselor. And then, uh, his kind of big thing was that he wanted to kill all the pigeons. And, you know, I'd like to hear him out on that. But he didn't, I don't think, govern very effectively. And then transitioned to being a motivational speaker because he got cancer when he was four. And let me tell you, you get cancer when you're four. You don't remember that. I'm sorry. You weren't really there. Your parents did most of it. I'm, I know that you were there. You were pre-conscious. We don't really start forming memories until we're about five or six. Mercifully. And I got to be honest. If you're four, it's sad when a four-year-old has cancer. I'm not denying that. But when they're older, they'll be like, I had cancer that day, you know? Nick. By the way, real name, Nick, I think it's Adamopoulos, which is crazy. Nicholas Adamopoulos, born in 1984. Is he Greek? Yeah, there's a large Greek community in Australia. It's for some reason. Nicholas Adamopoulos. Put that man on a boat with Odysseus. But I worked for Greeks. That's true. And I didn't say it five times. But he became a motivational speaker, which I think is one of the most awesome jobs you can ever get. And there's video of him doing, I watched one yesterday of him just like in like a f***ing Red Robin or whatever. Like some kind of like luncheon thing. And he was just talking about this cancer. I'm like, well, it wasn't really like. Do you think that he had to go into like deep into analysis to like access those memories? Like repressed memories? Yeah. You know, what's crazy is I had memories of getting my tonsils taken out. But my parents were like, no, you didn't. That was your f***ing. It was your brother. They gaslit you? They gaslit me. And guess what? My tonsils are out. Those were real memories. And that was like, I was like three or four when that happened. So I guess I had to give him some credit there. But he became a motivational speaker and like vaguely tried to be a manosphere kind of guy. But he's like not like enough of a player. How would you describe him visually? That's such a great question. I think he kind of, he's got a little bit of thumb face. Mm-hmm. Because it's got, he's long in the face a little bit. Yeah. He's not a handsome man in the traditional sense. I mean, that's fine. He sort of does look like a piece of wet meat. Like, you know, like a. Like a bologna. He's a little bologna-ish. I would say something thicker. Well, like pre-sliced bologna. Yeah. Or if you poured like water on like a dollar store steak. He looks like a wet dollar store steak. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Oh, the only reason I ask you guys to. Do what? Do the exercise for those who are just listening and not watching is because he had styled himself over time into the paragon of what it is to be an alpha male. Mm-hmm. Hooters is a wonderful family establishment. And I, for one, am absolutely sick and tired of it being defamed, derided, traduced, and mocked. Used as a tool to stop me. Men being men used as a tool to stop there being alpha males in our society. Hooters. And has written numerous books. The book about his quest for immigration is called Green Card Warrior, colon, My Quest for Legal Immigration in an Illegals, apostrophe, System, which Donald Trump has since called a, quote, must read. Also, he wrote a book called Alpha Kings. Yeah. I first encountered him in my Twitter feed. He posted. He posted about his butcher, and one of the lines he wrote is, quote, I love watching Mario handle my meat. Well, that's pretty alpha king of him. Mm-hmm. Pause. Oh. And about golf, quote, a foursome with the boys will be the most fun you will ever have in your entire life. So, I do like sports. I follow this thing called Outkick. And Clay Travis, I believe the guy's name is. And I've watched. Our good friend and colleague. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy to be named. It's been like, being named Clay, it's great. It's like being named. No disrespect. No disrespect to anyone out there. It's like being named dirt or mud. You know? It is kind of like being named mud. Or sand. Or sand. Yeah, that's actually kind of, that's like a sexy, mysterious woman. Consider that. But I watched him on an Outkick alpha male podcast that was released two years ago. Very HD. And he's basically just talking to a quite overweight gentleman who is presenting himself as alpha. And he was like, I would have, if I still got tattoos, something happened. If I still got tattoos, I would get a tattoo that says toxic male on me. And they were both sort of like, agreeing with that. I would get a toxic masculinity. What body part would you get it on? Well, everyone needs to see it. So probably my forehead. I feel like it needs to be maybe a nice toxic down on the side. Maybe take the beard off a little bit. Because it goes back to the same thing. Being a quote, man, an American man, or the American way of life man, seems to be so threatening. I think there's a lot of people who sort of outsource their social media strategies. To like, you say the most outrageous things, whatever. Like, funny things. You get attention. Then people like, sign up for your s**t. Very gay things. Yeah. But this was where it was confusing to me. I was like, oh, I think this is a bit. But you get to a world in which the guy who said, we got to get all the pigeons out of Australia is the special presidential envoy for American tourism and exceptionalism and whatever. And he has a video. In which he is calling for what, Brace? He is calling to eat pigeons. You know, pigeon is eaten in many parts of the world. And I think you can eat anything. But he does have a video of him in Egypt. Which also, by the way, being the minister for tourism or whatever, what a gig, right? Because you just go and you just visit other countries. And he's eating pigeon. Beautiful. Absolutely nice. Very great texture. Tastes a lot like chicken. So I'm currently looking for more meat. Because I've just had mostly rice so far. And a bit of skin. It doesn't look particularly good. No disrespect to anybody. All love. But making a reference to his own history. And he says, I love pigeons. It's weird because there is a bird in Australia that does attack people. I've been attacked by a bird in Australia. Magpies, I believe they're called. They're quite vicious. People have to put googly eyes on their bicycle helmets to scare them off. They're really vicious creatures. But he goes and he eats pigeon. And it's like, well, who is this? Who is this for? Apparently, it is for the highest levels of the federal government. He was going to be made ambassador. Right. So it's important to point out that he got the title of special presidential envoy, which is a thing that the president can do without any congressional senatorial approval. He can just give these titles out. Here's the headline. Pro-Trump influencer Nick Adams dropped as U.S. ambassador to Malaysia. Adams' alpha male posturing and pro-Israel comments set off alarms. in Malaysia, a Muslim-majority country, where a sympathy for the Palestinian cause is widespread. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bit of a miscalculation when you spell it all out, I guess. Yeah, you'd think they could just find one guy that they'd be like, well, maybe not Nick Adams, but maybe Malaysia is like, it was a reward. Because oftentimes ambassadorships are rewards, like big donors or friends of the president. And I'm like, that's kind of like a crazy job for someone like Nick Adams. I think that's when most- But can't you see like everyone in, like in the administration, they're probably like, ah, give them Malaysia. Who cares about Malaysia? Like not knowing anything. We're like, this will be so funny if we give Nick Adams Malaysia. We're going to troll everybody or whatever. And this would really trigger people. By the way, you know who the U.S. Special Envoy to the United Kingdom is? Who? Mark Burnett. The Survivor producer? The man who produced The Apprentice and Survivor. They're like, this guy loves islands? Why do I know that? And also the guy who Donald Trump clearly has decided to give some sort of reward to as the guy who made him perhaps a television star. That's what we got. We got to ask Trump. We got to talk about rewards for the little people. Well, what does he think of Survivor now? Because it's a little, it's a bit woke, no? I mean, Survivor just did season 50. Jesus. What is this? What are we, on the Ringer Podcast Network? We can't talk about this. It's not that. I got to be honest. You're winning Survivor season 50. I'm not impressed. They should make people survive in the city, in an urban environment. You should have to move here with just a dollar and a dream in your pocket. Live in the city. Live in a little f***ing studio apartment. Work at a blank street coffee. Yeah, I was going to say, you got to be a barista. Uh-huh. This is new Survivor. Maybe a little bit of owner fans on the side. You live in Bushwick, b***h. I feel like the president is going to really dig that idea. Yeah. I think that they should do that. One of the things that you've raised is this fundamental question of is this administration aware of the bit? Are they in their attempt to troll themselves, perhaps being trolled in ways that they don't calculate? Or is this entirely something that they're in control of? Like, where are we on the sincerity meter with this administration? I do think a lot of them are very, very aware of the fact that they're in control. They're very aware of the fact that they're in control. Everything is very, I think, every act seems very conscious of itself as an act. Whether that is this kind of like jokey, is it gay, is it not, kind of influencer stuff, or if it's like more brazen, like insider trading shit that is happening. You know, like, I think that's all very, very much we're here, we know we're here, you know that we know what we're doing here. And it's all, you know, much aware of itself, I think. Which makes it a little scarier. My question then, maybe even more than like for the administration is, do you think that Nick Adams himself knows whether this is sincere or not? I'm not sure it matters, to be honest. Yeah. At a certain point, the final output is like the only thing that matters, you know? I think that like, as we, you know, get further and further into this journey that is everyone, kind of being educated on social media. Yes, that's what this whole episode is, by the way. But just like, thinking about this moving forward, like, I think it's only, like, no matter who is in power, whatever party or whatever, like, everyone is going to get so much, is going to be just naturally so much more online as, like, you know, people in the government as we move forward. Everyone who wants like younger and younger people in office, you know, for some good reasons, for some, who cares reasons in my opinion, they're all going to be more and more influencers. The only way out of this is through. There's nobody outside of this anymore, especially in the government, which means that like, as online millennials and then later Gen Z, people get in public-facing government roles more and more and more, they're going to be influencer theater kids. And that is going to change the shape of our politics. And we're only at the like, very early point of that with the Trump administration, I'd say. Trump admin, they are so extremely online. Yes. But it can only get more online, unfortunately. One of the more popular politicians on the left, which would be Zoran Mamdani, the mayor of New York City. I mean, so much of that popularity resembles the popularity of an influencer, right? Like, people love watching this guy's short-form video. He is constantly making content and he is very good at it. Exactly. There was a, there was a, there was a lot of writing about right after he won and sort of surprised upset about how like Democrats now need to adopt this model. But I think everybody knows that to some extent. It's just some people got the juice and some people don't. You know? I'm just glad that all of these people who are varyingly competent at content creation are now also being able to access information that can be monetized. Yeah. Wait, I have a question because now I want to bring this just quickly to some sports. Yeah. Because I think everyone, I think most people really dislike the kind of like player podcast stuff, which is just like going to become more and more and more natural. I mean, some of it's fine, I guess. But the point being that like, Michael Porter Jr.'s online footprint. All roads lead back to Michael Porter Jr. But no, there's been this, yeah, this surge for those who are not familiar in like podcasts being hosted not by humble content creators, who were born this way, but athletes who decided that this is not slumming it, but actually like we are the media. The goal is to, in the case of Tom Brady, the most divorced man on earth. I was going to say, looking rough there. Oh my God. But just like making content with Logan Paul. That's awesome. Like fake slapping each other. Why did Tom Brady slap me? Did you see that, bro? Was that the football thing? It was as a result of it. He was pissed at him. And we, dude, listen, we see Tom all the time. We see him all the time now. Well, not since the football, since the game. But this dude always wants smoke. Like he is, he's, dude, angry guy. He's an angry guy. In the case of, by the way, BFOR mentioned LeBron James and his agent. Yeah, I want to talk about that. They have, they all have podcasts. And the goal is, in fact, to never go away. It's to never retire. It's to become more visible by creating content forever. But this is what I'm going to say is that like, imagine now, Congress, Congress, more and more, they're all going to have podcasts and content that they have to like do themselves too. Right? I mean, that's the Gavin Newsom show. Michael, Michael Collins, multiple shows in which he, even more and more and more. Well, he needs a job. You know, but like Katie Miller's f***ing podcast where she just interviews like her husband's friends or whatever. But when they're all millennials, it's going to be so different. We're going to have a president with a podcast within the next two terms. just ran down my spine that we've only begun. We have only begun. To see this. I think we have to call the president. Let's call the president. Are we going to ask him if he's going to start podcasting? I can just do speaker or do you want the number? Let's do speaker. Do you want to call him from my phone? He's picked up your phone before. Do you think he's blocked it for that reason? Hell no. Do you think Donald Trump knows how to block a phone number? Could you imagine? He dictates his truths. That's a good point. He's not going to pick up. Well, give me that number and we'll bleep it out as you tell me and I'll enter it into my phone. Five, six, one. Yeah. Why you got to bleep it out? Yeah. It's the president. It's public property. Four. No, no, not four. Really? Yes. No way. That's crazy. That's a custom number. That's a custom. That's a vanity license plate. That's a vanity license plate number. I can't believe you don't have this. I know. Believe me, I was embarrassed to know that so many people did and I didn't. But now he's in my phone. We're going to call up I can't believe he just has a phone. He has a phone that you can call. It's ridiculous. It doesn't seem right. So I got to I guess that's democracy. I'm going to hear it now. I do have a 9-1-7. I wonder Please leave your name, number, and a message after the tone. Hey, Mr. President, this is Pablo Torre, the host of Pablo Torre Finds Out. We are taping a live episode with Brace Belden and Liz Franczak from Truanon. And we wanted to ask Mr. President if he has an opinion on This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time. I'll talk to you next time.