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August 7th, I'm gonna be taking myself to St. Charles, Missouri. AKA St. Louis, St. Louis. I'll be there. August 7th, go to Andersantino.com for those tickets. AndrewSantino.com. >> In here, we pull, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk. >> You are that creature in the ginger field. >> Sturdy, ginger. >> The ginger gene is good. >> Ginger's a fugitive. >> You only five downers for the whiskey. >> 75 downers for the whole. >> Ginger's our hell now. >> This whiskey is excellent. >> Ginger. I like ginger. >> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Jiger. My guest today is one of my favorite people in earth. I said that for all my guests. But I mean, once again, today it's the return of Shane Moss. We were talking heavily about Shane's prior to the episode, because Shane said, how many Shane's do you have in your phone? And I said, I don't know, and we looked. And I think there was seven or eight that we just counted. >> I'm a, I'm a pathetic excuse of a Shane. I have less Shane's in my phone than you do. And Shane's are supposed to really stick together here. >> It wore against. >> The Sean's. >> The Sean's. >> Yes, they got the numbers. We're supposed to have the brains. >> You think the Shane over Sean? I would like to say, how many Sean's are in my life? I'm thinking of all my Sean's. >> You got so many more Sean. >> I have way more Sean. My childhood best friend is Sean. And I got to tell you. >> You just might be, I'm the one more of an introvert than you are. So that might be part of it. >> Here's the irony. I'm probably more of an introvert than you think. It's just, I have to fake the phone. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> To live amongst humans. >> Right, right. >> You were to live in your van and party. >> I do. My dream scenario is like, I'm out on federal land somewhere where there hasn't been a human for months. And there's just no one around. I have no cell phone service. No one would hear it if I screamed or anything like this. >> You want to be on the show alone, right? That's what we love that. >> All right, here we go, Sean's. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. That's a lot of Sean's. And all of them are SCAN. But these are all walks of life for me. Some of these are business associates. Two of these are my closest friends. One of them is an old booker. One of them is a friend of a friend. I'm good with friends of a friend. >> Yeah, I see I won't take someone to number. >> If you said to me, hey, Santino, this guy, I really like this guy. He wants to come see you at a show. And then we'd have a beer afterwards. Because I like you so much, I assume well, this guy's got to be good. You know what I mean? So I'll do the-- >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> By Osmosis. >> I got five Sean's in my phone. But I was like, I was just DMing Shane Torah, or five Shane's in my phone. >> Five Shane's is not bad. >> Not bad. >> Oh, it wants me. [laughter] There's a Torah. I was just DMing Taurus. I don't know. I feel like I keep up with the Shane's. >> You keep up. And by the way, before we get two in-depth, we're going to link it down below. This handsome gentleman has two specials right now on YouTube. >> Yeah, yeah, something like that. >> First trip, second trip, right? >> Yeah, it's trips. First dose and second dose. >> First dose and second dose. >> There was a lot of like figuring out what-- First, we're going to go click Badi and call the first one like LSD versus mushrooms. >> Ooh. >> Because it's fun rage baiting the psychedelic crowd because they have very strong opinions about the silly shit. And then the second one was going to be DMT versus Cataman. And that was just to like-- >> Well, these are good titles for clicks. >> Just for clicks. >> Yeah. >> But then they were scared about getting demonetized and so which is a real thing. So that's the double edged sort of-- >> Of YouTube. >> Doing psychedelic content generally. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes I'm like selling out everywhere and then there's an algorithm change where they're like anything that even looks like it's promoting any kind of a thing. I go from adding like 400 seat shows to suddenly I can't get 50 people in because of the thing. >> It's crazy. >> Well, it just happened like twice in the 10 years or so that I've been doing some stuff in the psychedelic space. >> I think I do. I do other shows, you know, whatever. >> The psychedelic change gears. >> Cruisin right now though. >> Yeah, I mean I think that it's a weird time. There was like the psychedelic renaissance when I first-- I did my first psychedelic show in like 2015. And I was like, "Oh my God, someone's talking about psychedelics on stage." Like, "Whoa, what an edgy thing." And then there was kind of a psychedelic renaissance and then COVID happened and then it kind of opened up some stuff more and there's been some of the decriminalization. And then like two or three years ago, everything started getting like really monetized. >> Commercialized. >> Commercialized. >> Now my aunt is like her dosing, you know? >> And so now it's like, it kind of like jumped to the shark. But now it's kind of like, come back a little bit. It's tough to tell, I don't know. >> I still think you're in the corner of all of it. You're like one of the pillars of the psychedelic revolution of comedy. A lot of people talk about it. You and I have talked about it. But I do think your grip on it is probably a little bit stronger than most because of your history. >> Yeah, yeah. >> You've had a good dance with it. >> Yeah, I've had some really extreme experiences and I've been in the space and, you know, even though I don't like, I don't research psychedelics. I'm just around people that do. >> You ingest that. >> I ingest them a lot. And so I also, I'm always up to speed on what's going on out there. >> Sure. >> And then, and then I also have like a very, for people that have had the kind of experiences, like I, you know, have been to a psych ward because of psychedelics. The most people that have had those types of experiences tend to, tend to skew like mystical and woohoo and I'm like very science-minded. So I have like an annoyingly grounded take on very extreme experiences. For a lot of people in the psychedelic community to taste. They're like mad that I don't believe the experiences that I've had. They're like, this is proof that there's angels and things out there. I'm like, I don't think so. I think I lost my mind, actually. [laughter] >> Welcome back to a segment I'd like to call Wisk Ginger Predicts. This segment is brought to you by FanDuel. There's a lot going on right now, including the World Cup. I was watching Mexico just the other night in my hotel. Really rude and I saw them go nuts down in Guadalajara. It's been incredible. It's been a wild run for the World Cup. And I got to tell you, what's going on tonight is going to be pretty insane. Australia. Australia, am I? This is Egypt. And I got to tell you, draw is plus 190. I do think that is a very good bet. I do think Egypt has got it like that. Those guys practice in the sand. They're running up sand hills. You know how hard that is on your thighs and your legs? Australia, they're running from kangaroos. I don't know how valuable that is. Argentina and Cape Verde is tonight. And by the way, can they stop messy? Cape Verde is plus 1800, which is pretty incredible. I'm not going to lie. I might just take that bet for the fun. But the likelihood of a draw is low. It's plus 700 still. Might have to take that. I think Cape Verde has been showing some true heart. Then Columbia and Ghana are going toe to toe. Draws plus 310, which I think is probably the good move in something like this. Both of them performing fantastic, fantastic. But who could know? I'm also excited for major league baseball. Finally, your boys, Chicago Cubs are playing some actual baseball. Finally, it's been a tough little ride for the kids. But sadly, this is the Cubs Cards matchup. Ooh, if you're a Midwest kid, you know what I'm talking about. Cubs Cards matchup. Big deal, especially because we're a little bit better than record wise this year. I think we got the reverse record. We have the same wins and losses as they have losses wins. But they're known to really make a stink, huh, Joe Buck? Don't you think so, Joe? Well, I got to tell you, I'm going to take the Cubs on this game. Without a doubt, I have to take the Cubs. I've got to take my hometown kids. I bet that they're going to take the series. That's what I would assume. And, you know, I can't tell you what to do. Just letting you know what I think the Cubs are going to cruise into All Star. break with way above 500, they already are now and I hope they continue this little run. I'm also actually somewhat interested in what's going on in men's tennis out there in Wimbledon. I was able to go out to Wimbledon last year. The names are impossible to say, but I think the Eastern Europeans got this one. There's so many of them. Okay, Yannis, Kokograkavic, Kakograkavic, and Mechadakadzikov. Wish I knew more about tennis. I got to see the women's finals last year in Wimbledon. It was pretty incredible. But all eyes are pointed towards FIFA World Cup, so I do think focus on the FIFA World Cup. And I'm going to give you my three, four tonight. I'm going to say Egypt over Oss, Cape Verde and Argentina, a draw, shocking. Messy has no goals. Wouldn't that be incredible? In Colombia, Ghana, I think Ghana's going to take this one. I don't know why something in my bones is telling me Ghana's going to take this one. Take Ghana plus 600. You might as well. What do you got to lose? That's it for Wist-Ginge predicts. You don't got to take my advice. I'm just spitting stuff out in the earth. Decide for yourself who you like. The segment is presented by Fandall. I love that. That's like the elevator pitch that you that you're like, you're like, I love psychedelics, but I'm against the entire community. I get that. Yeah. I was never in the community. Well, I think it's because they take it so seriously, like here's like we've talked on this show about this. We talked to Phil Hanley, pretty heavily like he's a dead head. Do you know Phil Hanley? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a pretty big dead head and I I very much like the dead, but I never would ever say I'm a dead head because it's it's it's it's sacrilegious. It's like again, because then they begin to like give you a pop quiz on how deep you are. Yeah. And you're like, dude, I just like them music. Yeah. So, um, there's so many sub cultures within the culture and they're kind of all battling each other in not in a negative way, but in like a how far back do you go? How deep do you go? What shows you? Like, what how niche can you get? It's very wild. If of course I want everyone to watch my special and everything. Everybody please. I get it. There's only so much time in it. I get it. If you really want to amuse yourself at least just go on my Instagram go to a couple the highlights from the specials and then just start reading the comments of all the well actually people in the psychedelic, the monowel actually, well actually you know, and it's like it's also stuff that's like, I actually kind of know, but then I have to like, I'm communicating to a wide audience these ideas, so I'm sorry that I said hits when I'm talking about LSD instead of saying like micrograms or something, you know, it's so annoying, but it's also the internet, you know, I go and I perform psychedelic shows and part of the reason why I put together tours in the first place was because I, my experimented with a couple shows, I just like doing theme shows. And I was like, these crowds are fucking amazing and so smart and curious and lovely people and they, they're asking follow-up questions after the show like that never happens. And so it's so cool and then, you know, then you get online and the people online are the worst. And they really, you know, the most extreme people in every crowd and it's also the people that like don't go out in public as much so they don't have the social skills and they have more extreme beliefs and they've told themselves that they have like this galaxy brain or whatever because now they have like AI validating, all of their big ideas about things. And so they really truly are the worst, but I find it so amusing. What's fascinating a little bit, you just can't get sucked into it because otherwise it's a battle of the, it's a battle of yourself confidence in your work. You become kind of like beaten down by strangers for no reason. You're like, why am I letting this make me feel, I mean, if it's an argument, if it becomes it's like, well, to me, it's like when they're right because sometimes there's like something when I'm like, oh, that touched on something actually, it's probably true. Those are the ones where I'm like, oh, dang, yeah, you know, people just want to fight to fight. And also, being the world of comedy, you don't, I don't, I'm not interested. I just, I want, you know, it makes me, I'm like, I have a whole life I want to live. I don't want to fight. Giving people tips on social decorum. Oh, I like that. And like, you know, if you want to open with this sentence instead of this, like if one that came across as snarky and people might have been more interested in what you had to say and the information that you're trying to come back. Teaching. Teaching. Teaching. Well, wait, also, I want to bring up and we'll bring up the photo here of your van. We had the van out back and we were just going to maybe put it in one of the spots, but I thought, I don't know if it's going to fit. And then Shane was like, wait till you see the parallel job I just did. You left maybe, what, maybe a quarter inch on each side. Oh, yeah. That's like that. Amazing you were able to do that. Well, it's one of that. So, so it was a big decision. I got it two and a half years ago or something. I, I almost got one in 2019 and then COVID happened, blah, blah, blah, blah. It had been on my mind for a while, but it was, I looked at RVs for a little while. Thought about that route and I said, yeah, man, like I do a lot of indie venues and stuff and finding places to park and the gas mileage and having the space is nice. And then, and then I thought maybe you get like a truck with a pole behind trailer that I can leave in a place and then take the truck into the gig or something and thought of all those. And then the van situation was like a friend of a friend who, who let me, I was able to rent it for a month and then if I decided to buy it, that money came off of what I was buying it for. And so, and the main thing was it fits in regular parking spots because you can get the longer sprinter. Right. But then you're like, it's just, then you might as well get a full RV. RVs are cool, but I feel like I, we've had family friends that have had them. There's more shit that breaks on RVs. Yeah. So, a lot of shit to go wrong. Like a lot of shit to go wrong. Their sprinters are the biggest van like in the world. Most countries they don't even have anything except sprinters. And so, and so there's just so many, you know, they just have it down. It's like a Honda Civic. It's like there's a billion of them. And not only that, but there's like all, it's the number one customized van. So there's all these like ready made customized things that you could add to it. I should have showed you the back to, but they're, you know, like the, some of the cabinets and stuff that you can just get like ready made cabinets and stuff to pop in there and things on the back with all these little compartments and pockets. It's amazing. Yeah, it is cool. I've seen some of the, I've gotten down the, the YouTube rabbit hole of like watching people's like super high-end custom versions of like they can make the amount of, there's someone, there's a, there's someone on there that they vlog every day when their partner goes to work. And every single day, it's like a, all right, he's off to work and here's how, what I do for my day. And it's like incredible how much like you can fit into, it look, it's like clown carry where you're like, that's inside of there and it like folds away in tuxen. And somehow it, everything can get so compact down to like nothing that if you pulled it all out, which I think one episode I saw they pull everything out, it's, it's like would fit in a triple seven airplane. Yeah. Like the amount of shit, you're like, how, how, where does all that shit go? Yeah. But there's little tricks and, you know, like they all have things you can put on top. There's like these drawers that you can slide in the back. There's all, and, and having that much sort, like I have a inflatable stand up pedal board in there. I have like rock climbing. That's what I mean. It's crazy dude. And like pick a ball stuff and all that. I'm like pretty active. You have all your gear. Everything you need. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you could, I have like, I've like eight suits in there. I don't know. I don't know any suits. That's what I want. You wear suits on stage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you have to, you have that. That was something I always was jealous of. I started wearing like dressing up to do stand up or like looking more. And I was always like, oh man, I wonder if I'll get to a place where I want to do that. And then the older I got, I was like, nah, I can't do that. I don't know what I think about it honestly, like, you know, I like it because it kind of feels silly. Well, you wear psychedelic suits. You wear very like loud and fun. So how that started was my first like big thing that I put together after COVID was a residency in in Vegas at area 15, which is kind of like the psychedelic, like warehouse, mall of sorts, they have, they have a meowulf, Omega Mart in there and they have, I was kind of inspired by the show because I was asked to host a conference there that had a 360 degree visual space. And I'd always wanted to add visuals to it, but I didn't know how to pull it off without making it like a PowerPoint presentation or whatever. And so my specials that I eventually made, we had 20 different artists in the psychedelic space, make a bunch of visuals for it and then a VJ, a video, Jackie blending things in real time so that I could, I didn't have to like follow a script and like change up the order and structure. But I was like, I'm doing this whole psychedelic show with visuals and the psychedelic place in Vegas. And I'm like, I can't wear like regular clothes. And so I got a hold of a bunch of psychedelic artist friends and I was like, you know, anyone out there can make me look like a psychedelic Willy Wonka or some shit like that or like a DMT Jesus or something and they're like, yeah, that's pre-born design guys. So this guy out of San Francisco that makes a bunch of dope stuff. So he makes all your suits. Yeah, yeah Yeah, some of them are off the rack and then I some some of them are custom freeborn. Yeah, yeah, free plug out Shout out to freeborn freeborn suit designers are just freeborn freeborn designs freeborn designs I think if you use offer code trip or trips or something I've The years ago he gave me some offer code that I often forget. Well, you should plug it. Yeah No, but you do trip or trips trip or trips try both and if neither them work too bad by suit anyway support this man No, I think yeah, I never get wanted to be like a guy who wears a suit on stage, but I do think like Comedy is how it sounds coming out of you as a whole and so part of you as a whole is is how you present and like your wardrobe is a part of I mean it just all came to get like like the hair was I mean I had done psychedelic shows when I was like the all-american looking You were an American boy. Yeah, and and then this was just COVID I made this like silly web series where it where it made sense for me to like where I couldn't get to a barber or That's part of the the premise and so I grew all this out and then the first opportunity that I had outside of it was like oh I can do this Vegas residency with a psychedelic show I wasn't planning on doing psychedelic shows if I'd already toured with that and I said right and think I'm done I'm like oh, this is fucking cool. I want to do this like add all the art and everything that's like that'll really finish the Dream that I I'm always living in out my dreams from like 12 years ago sure like 12 years ago me always would think what I'm doing is really cool President present me always thinks what I'm doing is like I don't know I think it's very cool. I love your show like your show would be great at the sphere I know they got a but like that's such an interactive immersive like I just seem to figure out how to fill About 20,000 more You got it you got it bo burn. I'm produce my sphere special maybe yeah, you could do it. They should have a baby sphere. They should have one word. They do they're making them So yeah, yeah, yeah, they have they have one so like thousand theaters and stuff my So I have a new show called Myth Understandings that I have been putting together for a while and And it's it's it's it's it's kind of science-inspired philosophical humorist show about the evolution of mythology and why we why our brains are prone to superstitions and these kind of mental models that helped hunter-gatherers that are mismatched with our modern world and leads to a lot of Misinformation and disinformation and why that stuff is like click baity and And but but it starts with like Greek and Roman mythology and hunter-gatherers and stuff and so we we built it for planetariums Because domes are taking off and stuff So that's the show they're gonna be good. I do I did hear that the sphere was Planting planning on making other spheres and other big cities like of the same size But like is the same company doing that or this is just other companies making smaller little spheres? Yeah, I don't know there's one Called Cosm. I think that that is making a few but they're all they're all much smaller scale like we got a kid with a Google So what does it say there? It's a sphere entertainment is developing mini spheres smaller 5,000 to 6,000 capacity immersive and use plan for global expansion following the success of the 18,000 seed vague as original Yeah, a 6,000 seed mini spheres plan for national harbor Maryland These venues aim to reduce energy costs and operational complexity 6,000 still a lot of seats still a lot of seats. I mean, I don't have the pole But I do have the like I've been working with artists for like 10 years and putting all this shit together So I'm the only one that knows how to do it right now Some other comedian can pay me to help teach him how to do that You could do a psychedelic festival at a 5,000 theater if you have many comics on it Then it's the best way to get that right have people just come in and do stuff and create art for because I was talking to I was talking to this is kind of crazy. I played in this golf tournament and AJ McLean who's of the of the Backstreet Boys is they're doing the sphere and I was like who designed the art and he's like we're doing it I think that's really cool. He's like working with artists to get it done. I thought that's got to be like part of the most fun Because the songs they've worked on for you like as any musician or artist Like when you tour an hour you've already got the hour Yeah, and I was like how much more fun is that now you get to make the art that goes along with it? Yeah, that's got to be like the most invigorating part of it So cool and it's like it's a new form of comedy to you know So like you're I'm using my comedic skills in a different way and then having a second person That's like kind of a part of the show and then like in the first dose just it's like authentic Authentic moments where it's like I didn't like what he's put like what the fuck are you Putting that up for and then like how you know and then making them change things in real time and and so it's this whole Weird dynamic that it took a long time to get used to but I eventually figured it out and then he figured out nuances of like You know a lot of it's prepared and then some of it's a little bit improvised and you're mixing it up and then like Sometimes the visuals the stepping on my punchline Sometimes things are coming too late. So it's it's really like a different art form. No, it is I mean it truly You're doing two things at once. Yeah, I'm barely I don't even know how to talk What would you do what do you think in the psychedelic realm or world of Ingestion would you never do again? Is there anything you're like I'm out on that. I'm not gonna go back to that No, it's not for me anymore. I can't have PTSD from five of me. Oh, DMT. That did you know this end? Yeah, that made pretty it was two of the best experiences I've ever had and then two of the worst and you know our brains kind of tend to Remember the negative experience. Yeah, that that always the good and so It's it's but like the thing with the PTSD is like I also If I don't do it again, then it just just stuck me kind of being confused about what happened Whereas usually if you go back and you see like oh that go conquer it. Yeah, maybe you go back and conquer it Oh, there's like like fucking I began that just I mean there's like oh this is Breaks all these things and the science like no, they've been studying like someone died in a study That's why they quit the study is you know Like not a terribly Scientific way that it's that I'm happy that that things are moving forward, but I'm also very Pro-science guy. Yeah, I wish we lived in a world that was science-based policy more Which would make psychedelics more Decriminalized and legalized and studied but like I began I remember When I was making my documentary Psychonautics comics exploration of psychedelics available on Amazon I was supposed to go and do I have a gain in Mexico The place got shut down by like the cartel before I got a chance to do it But I remember I was talking with Rick Doblin who is who is the founder of Maps the multi-disciplinary association of psychedelic studies which kind of spearheaded the modern psychedelic research Movement he's a funny guy really smart interesting guy. I was like Rick. I'm thinking about Doing I've a game, but I don't know. I've heard it just kind of like for the documentary and I'm an experienced chaser Yeah, I've heard it can be like a 12-hour nightmare He's like oh no It can be much longer than that And so I haven't done that one yet and it's like it's definitely not calling to me. No There's like there's different chains. You know, we all have different. Oh, yeah, we are The right thing could hit me at the right time. I'm like, oh, right, but like you're on a you're on a hospital bed with Depipulators nearby because your heart can stop. I mean that's some fucking serious shit in here We pull with with the biggest stage in the world is soccer and here Every goal changes everything now Fando is giving you a reason to root for every single goal no matter Who's playing introducing every goal pays bet on a match and get bonus bets for every goal scored in that match That's right more goals means more bonus bets and all you got to do is turn on your token, baby Okay, easy easy money. Who am I rooting for Cape Verde? 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And it's also because there's all these, so there's all these games within the psychedelic culture where you like introduce some new thing that has, like everyone already knows LSD, so they already has this baggage attached to it. Sure. Where if you just go like IBagane, even though even if it's like far more intense than everything, like people don't know that. Of course, yeah. So you just go like, oh, this is just good for opiate addiction or what? Oh, opiate addiction is bad. IBagane, this thing that I've never heard of, like, science is saying, and no one's like, don't know science, we're not scientifically thinking. We are completely scientifically illiterate and have no real dearth of critical thinking skills. And so, which by the way, I'm bringing back my science podcast, here we are at the same time that the special drops. So check that out. You've got to be a scientist of academic each week on different fields. And so you can just listen to the way that scientists talk and then it helps you like think about how scientific thinking works. Like scientists say, I don't know more than any human being you will ever meet in your entire life. Because we just pretend like we know, we pretend like we know, he could be talking to the world's leading authority on a subject and ask him the simplest question about it. I don't know, I'll literally all research someone's work and be like, oh, this was the stuff that got them 10 year, then got them published in nature, which is like the biggest thing for a scientist. I'll ask him about that work. You know, more stuff's come in since I'm not sure I really buy into them my own best idea anymore. And it's just a different way of thinking than a lot of people think. Because they're, well, because they're quite literal science, science has no like facetiousness to it. They're like, well, it's either this or this. They can't, they can't be like, like it's so definitive, science has to be definitive. So for them, they, it was probably true at the time, but since it changed, they're not just going to lean on what they felt. They're going to be like, well, it's continuing to change. You have to keep up. And yeah, the, the, the models are always getting a lot more complex and sophisticated. And so the whole game is you're always trying to think of like, are there alternative explanations for things? And then is there, is there a way that you can, so the whole, the whole thing that is also opposite of how every human's mind works is that science goes about falsifying things. So you, you come up with an idea and then you go like, okay, how would this work? And then how could I form a test, uh, to test this and what I'm trying to do with the test is I'm trying to falsify my, how do I prove myself wrong in as many possible ways? And then you really run your idea through a gauntlet. And then after you're done with that, you find people in related fields that are expertise and things that you aren't in case you have blind spots. And then you go, hey, can anyone find some shit that's wrong with my ideas? And then after enough peer review, I can say, and none of this is perfect, it doesn't always go this way. Right. Right. But, but then, then it can get published and, and then after it's published, then it gets more eyes on it, criticizing it and trying to figure out what's wrong with it. And you really can't get a job in science unless you have like a new hook and a new angle and you've found like, I think they've missed something here. And here's like a little bit of a hole where I can research. Yeah. Yeah. Well, honestly, I think part of my love of it is, is comedy and science, they're doing the exact same thing. It's the alien anthropologist point of view where, where scientists go like, hey, why, most people go, yes, someone, hey, why do we behave this way? Why do, why do, why do we like, cheers or whatever when, when we have drinks? And, and you ask anyone, they're like, oh, you know, this is just what we do. And we take it for granted with scientists, no, but why, why, where, where did that evolve? Where did that come from? And you investigate comedians do the same thing. Yeah, have you ever noticed this in them? Yeah. It's the same thing. You know, the etymology of the cheers came from the sweetest word to Lurigan. And what happened? Exactly. No, that is true. It's the same. Yeah. And then the more, the more publicize it gets, the more critical it becomes. Yeah. And more people kind of jump on board, either cheering it on or, or, or, or saying, you know, actually. Actually. And, and as a comedian, you have to be so thoughtful in that, because you find out, because your ideas get run through the gauntlet of, of the audience, it's not even that idea is necessarily bad. It might be that you have had so much more time to think about it. Yeah. You're so much more ahead of the idea that you take for granted to this one, one of my favorite most pretentious, most pretentiously named cognitive biases is, is the curse of knowledge, which is once you know something, it is hard to get back in the place of not knowing that thing. Doug Stanhope had this amazing bit about it about how he didn't know it was about that term, but, but it's about like, he, I'm going to butcher it, but it's about how, how he will yell at someone for not knowing a thing that he learned yesterday. Yeah. How do you not know that? And, and so you find that out on stage where it's like, oh, I'm not conveying this, and I'm taking it for granted that they're in my head and, you know, all of the things that I know. So then you have to, like, what may feel like dumbing something down is just making something more clear. Yeah, or, yeah, and not assuming that they have any sort of idea that you have knowledge about it. Right. I do, I'll do this a lot like with my wife sometimes like, she's like, you know, you've been talking to yourself, I don't know what you're talking about, because I'll be jumping through my brain like this, and then I'll say to her, well, right, isn't that what Karen's son's name is? And she'll go, what are you talking about? And we do this all the time where you're like, you're assuming they're catching up to where you are, but you're on a light rail. And they're like, what are you, I don't even know where you are. Well, it's also because we have these. So one of my favorite concepts to think about is that we have these social brains that tend to over perceive, they tend to conflate the knowledge and other people's brains with what's in our own heads. So this is like part of, there's a whole field of study, which is the illusion of explanatory depth, which is kind of hilarious and fascinating, which is that you ask someone, this is related to, one of the things kind of getting out there in the zeitgeist is the Dunning Kruger effect. So you've heard this probably where people have the most confidence in their knowledge is something when they know nothing at all. Then you start learning about something and go, oh my god, this is more complicated than I realize. And then it's not until you have a master's degree in physics that you think you maybe have your same confidence and your understanding of gravity as when you knew nothing. And we're like, oh yeah, thanks fall down, you know, I get it. But within that, one of the things that we do, because confidence is such a big thing, as social animals, is that, one, we overestimate ourselves, two, we like hunter-gatherers had to know when people had different knowledge bases, like you might know how to build a shelter, better than I do, I might know how to like hunt better. And you would know that. And so when you're around people that have skills that you don't have, like if you're around your mechanic friend, you overestimate how much knowledge you have about maintenance, car maintenance. And so they've tested this in a million ways. My favorite study is this quick is they basically say the same thing twice, two slightly different conditions. The control they go, scientists have discovered this new mineral, it's it glows and they've figured out why it glows, they've learned everything about it. How much do you know about this glowing mineral and people think I got a handle on this hypothetical thing you just made for this story that I read one pair of. graph about. Right. And then they change it and they go, scientists have discovered this mineral clothes. They've learned everything about it. It's confidential. How much do you know about it? What do you mean? I don't know anything about it. Sorry. Just because they put the word "confidential" in there. So you don't have access. So our brains conflate the ability to access information with already having it. So what does that mean in our modern world where we have a fucking magical device with all of human knowledge at your fingertips. And then and so we often confuse the ability to even look something up with already having that knowledge because you go like, I could look it up. But how do you know? So you already feel like you know and we're all doing this all the time now. Yeah, like I've already been downloaded. Yeah, I got it. I think I get it. I think I can take 30 seconds and look it up. Well, because we have this thing, the scariest thing to me is like, because you have it, sometimes now, you feel like you don't even want to look it up because it's almost too convenient where you're like, yeah, I guess it's that thing. We almost just did it on the sphere thing where we're like, what is it's got to be the, it's got to be. I mean, in a cast both ways because sometimes sometimes I'm saying something now because like I've been, yeah, I've been talking to the scientist for 15 years. So I can like, I'll get going and sometimes I know when I'm getting a little loose, you know, because I can sound pretty convincing and more and more because of AI and everything. I'm finding myself here and like, I should be, I should be a little careful about like, if I'm gonna, if I'm gonna say, like normally I just wing it and go like, oh yeah, the two and three finger sloth diverged 60 million years ago. Now I go like, this I think it was like 20, 30 million years ago, you might have to check it just because I'm, I'm now like in my head that like, what if someone checks me? Shifter where it's like, do you think Shane's just making up shit about sloths? Could be. Could be. Could be. Just a fucking cycle. Shane doesn't know anything about sloths, you know, he's just guessing. But, but confidence is key. If you just sell them on that, people believe it. That's why you're, honestly, these two things are so parallel. Everything you're saying is like the comedy world, the more confident you are as a comedian, the more you can convey something that may not be that socially funny to people, but you've like sold them on something that they, because the idea of comedy branches for, for a communal, for something that's communal and kind of broad is that we've all lived this experience, right? If you said something like, you know, when you're on a fucking ATM and not in the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the assumption is, yeah, 99% of people in there are probably gone to an ATM. But if you're really good, like really good at comedy, some of the best that I've ever seen, like Louie does this a lot. He'll, he'll talk about something that probably is quite niche, but he, he words it in a way where I feel like I may have done it. I always think about the bit he does with the little, when you walk into somebody's little shop in a foreign country and it's got a little bullshit half door and it's the bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and you walk into their dream, you know what I'm saying? And, and he explains it in such great detail and depth that I know I see, I've seen this in my mind, but I'm not sure that I've actually experienced it. But because he's so good, it's selling you on it. You feel like you're like, of course, I've been in one of those stores. I don't, I don't really know if I have, but I know that it, I can see it enough. So it has that same good comedy has that same ability of like, well, you're selling it to me so well, I, I guess it's, I must believe it's true. Even if it's the availability heuristic, the more readily you can picture something in your mind, the more likely your brain conceives of it. And we all kind of go on, go on that right. So if you can create this story for people, it works a lot better than, you know, that's why we don't manage data, very well, I'm statistic. No, we're pretty bad at that. What, what are you going to say? I said, do you want to know when two, two fingered and three fingered salas? It's like 30 million. Prove Shane wrong. No, he's right. No, 30 million. Okay. Yeah. It was on the money. 30 million. What's, what's incredibly bizarre about that? So, so sloths, there's been a variety of sloths through the ages. There's been, most sloths were like giant ground sloths, some were larger than elephants. And so there's a aquatic sloths for a while. Sloths today are actually better. Swimmers than anything else. But people pick them up from, they think they're drowning. People are like, I got a belt. The fucking port thing doesn't move very fast, but the fastest it moves is in the water, and it's trying to like get laid. I think it's healthy. You know, while they're like covered in these fucking mites with like rare diseases. And, and, but, but they're this archetype of like, how does this thing exist? They're, they hardly move and everything. They're basically like a very sophisticated gut hanging in a tree. But, but they, so there's, there's been plenty of larger, more ferocious, faster sloths. They're all extinct. Two, the two sloths that stuck around, two and three finger sloths, they're unrelated. They aren't related. They have, there's no, no, they aren't cousins. Their last ancestor was like 30 million years ago. It was like more like an anteater or something. And then they went off on separate branches. And then because of this is called convergent evolution, because of these very specific ecological constraints and opportunities within systems, they converge down this very similar morphology where most people would look at them and not be able to tell them part, I tell them apart, but most people wouldn't, you can tell them apart. I wouldn't be able to tell them apart. This is essentially like two people that have, that you've ever seen this online when they go to people around the world that aren't related, but look identical. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they can't find, and there's no ties to these people at all. They just kind of have like somehow mimic the same character, six, but they, they have nothing to do with one another. There's no tie to them. And this is like, and people have their minds blown when like flight was thought of in two different areas, independent of one another. And this is, you know, that happens all the time just because like, sometimes when the idea is right for flying, flying just takes off. And then this happens, it's easier to understand and more simple, like there's, there's been a zillion mole-like type things because anything that burrows is going to have like a similar shape. Fish, there's only so many ways to be hydrodynamic, you know? But it's like very unusual when you have something as odd as a sloth that has converged on this exact same strategy, the same morphology. Or even like if something like like Armageddon versus Deep Impact, like both of those movies came out in 98. And it's like one of them didn't steal from another because of how long it takes movies going to production, but they both are probably inspired by something around the same time. Something that's happening inside of it, like this happens a lot though. It's like the prestige and the illusioness. Remember that? Two fantastic magician thrillers? Kind of the same thing. But something probably happened three years before that plan of the idea. Something in our social zeitgeist was moving through and people go, oh, this is, this is, that's, this is that, that's why this is that. And then it kind of just, that's the same thing when you write a joke where someone else has, I thought about this while I was brushing my teeth this morning. This is great, well, Fitzsimmon's texting me. No Greg Fitzsimmon's. I love the Fitzs dog. He was texting me something, he was being mean as he always is. And I remember him and I had like a similar joke years ago. And it made me laugh. I was brushing my teeth because I went up to Greg and I didn't really know him that well. This had been maybe 10 years ago or more. And you know, much younger comedian. And I was like, hey, I just want to let you know, I kind of have something like oddly similar to this. And it's not the same. But like, I wanted to be careful as you do. You're like, I just want to let you know. But like, I'd never seen you do that. And I know he had never seen me do that because I was kind of still running on lower market shows. And he goes, really? And I go, yeah, it's hotly. There's some no punchlines of the same, no, no beats of the same. But they take this parallel path. And they really keep like coming real close to bumping. And he was like, oh, wow. And I was like, yeah, that's kind of cool, right? And he goes, who does it better? That's funny because when that happens to me, when I find things, when I, when, when someone, I see someone doing a joke that I have, my first, my first conclusion is that all they must have seen and stole my joke. I mean, usually like, I guess that joke wasn't very good. Right. Yeah, because it wasn't good enough. It easily thought. Well, and the truth for Greg was he did it better, but it's only because he's uglier because he can sell, you know, ugly man. He sold his joke better. No, I saw, I said, you, he goes, well, I'm going to keep doing it. I said, well, I'm doing it. Greg, I don't care. But yes, these, the, the, the similar ideas happen all the time. Yeah, it's just another thing that we have a hard time reppening our minds around is just bottom up emergence of complexity. Right. And through these simple processes, we, we're tool users, our brain thinks, thinks about things from this top down, because when, when we did evolved, like figure out how to design something and build something and, and use tools, it was incredibly beneficial. So we overshoot it. So we just have a hard time understanding like that things just fucking happen sometimes and they combine these weird, similar ways sometimes. And it seems very coincidental, but it's also the part of the reason why we experience so many coincidences is because because we have like an intern. social media and 8 billion people all sharing their experiences and so one person over here and one person over here looks identical and is doing the same thing and they're unrelated. And some things are deliberate like I did steal your idea I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a psychedelic tour and I'm gonna say it and I want you to solve it. You know what? Just ruin your career you're doing so well. I need to think of some fucking gimmick. No, no, I'm like specializing in to listen to be blah blah. Well here's why here's why it's not a gimmick. It's it's because anybody who I think would try to do what you're doing would do it with it would be so like contrived. Yeah yours is so genuine that I don't think anybody can touch that realm. I think you're in a league of your own. True. No, truly. I mean you're one of the funniest people that I know and it's funny because when I first saw you you were the all-American boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bring up a picture of old Shane. Can we get a picture of old Shane? For the audience it doesn't know. Old Shane, old Shane, the all-American boy and honestly here I just I used to I was always a troublemaker. I actually used to be more of a troublemaker than I am now and so it was so much more beneficial to look that way. But I mean no, but I think we're less acceptable. Well this is new. This is a new audience. By the way I wanted to say this because this made me laugh and show let's did you got to send that to Joe show this picture to the audience. Look at that sexy young boy. Sometimes I'm like I'll like be with a girl or something and like find me attractive but then I show her an old picture and they're like oh fuck. I see it. I see you're like looking at my jawline and stuff like oh what's under that. Handsome handsome. Handsome. Can we now I see him going for the scissors? You're still a handsome man. By the way I wanted to say this this made me I thought about this too when you said the by that whenever somebody has a similar joke I'm going to call it a three-toed. Call it a three-toed sloth as well. I'm gonna go do you three-toed sloth me. Max Muncie. There are two Max Muncie's in professional baseball. Completely unrelated. Share the same birthday and they are unrelated. Look that up. Max Muncie. Completely unrelated and have the exact same birthday on August 25th. Ones 1991-2002 and you want to talk about creepy. That's where you're like that's where a piece of me goes back to is the universe have more power than we think like is there something underneath the thing like that feels like a slip in the sim. 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athleticism does have a piece of it but you ground him into number one still makes me think but did the universe there's also like yeah already have this plan for this kid it's creepy I mean there's a lot of survivorship bias too I mean there's a lot of want to be Jackson 5's out there right now the social services called in like yeah they aren't going to make it they're going to be generating that revenue but why not then there's a town there's a and then and then there's like timing there's there's there's a universe have anything to do with any of that well in my perspective you don't so much but I'm also like so it's really complicated the ideas of free will and determinism because I think like in hindsight it was always determined sure but the future is impossible to determine we we can never know and there's all there there's just very very complicated ideas of chaos and emergence and how how predicting anything is kind of impossible but in hindsight so this is that people evolutionary thinking is kind of where I'm most comfortable and the mistake that I see most people intuitively make and I have to stop myself is you look back in hindsight and you go oh that was for something you it feels as if the species had foresight and was looking in ahead like oh and then if I start hanging upside down instead then then eventually like when human slaughter everything else I'll be I'll be hanging in and I'm kind of like not worth losing an arrow over and so like no you don't have that kind of force it's just things just happen and then the most things just don't work out sure and then some things do like most things just go extinct most things are evolutionary dead ends and then just some and then but then some are anomalies that yeah like I talked to a friend about the Tasmanian devil and I was saying how like when the first time I saw it that you had this old concept in your head from the devil cartoon when we were young yeah and you see these little things and they're they're blind I mean they're blind they're absolutely blind and the reason they got their name was because when settlers were going to this to to this island to Tasmania they howl they howl terribly and I don't know if it's breeding season or not but they howl in a way that's like screechy and wretched it does sound and saying like it's obnoxious and and imagine these these these early settlers coming to here and at night and oh that's all they hear in the woods is like so they're like this is a cursed island this is devil devil island these things are named devil simply because they were like evil bad bad then you see them you're like look at that cute little weird rat it's just tiny and blind but evolution has found its way to keep this thing alive because nothing is there to that's it listen to that you guys want to walk toward that or maybe walk the opposite direction or what do you think and run as fast as we can or back to the boat back on the boat yeah I mean like immediately boats sound nice let's go it's just like you hear this they name the screech and then once they get to know it there's nothing there to kill it I mean there's no predators in Australia anyway there's nothing there to kill it but somehow and look this up this is wild the pounds per square inch of their jaw what is fascinating because they had to be you know they just had to be resourceful they can crack through bone I mean they're tiniest spot they they can crack they could crack through your tip, like they could crack right through it and they're probably scavenging. Oh yeah, then they'll eat if I can anything. But they might be, I don't know, they look like a small shitty dog. Yeah, so they're probably like kind of composters and stuff. Yeah, they're eating crackers and stuff that they're, everything else isn't picking apart. Right, what doesn't. The Tasmanian Devil has the strongest bite for his relative to body size for any living mammalian carnivore with a canine bite force of 553 newtons, roughly 124 pounds of force when measured in pressure, their bite can exceed 1,000 to 1200 psi, allowing them to crush bone and consume entire carcasses. 1200 psi, and this thing is ways nothing. Yeah. And when you see it eat, because they show you when you go down there, they like, they'll feed it in front of you. Yeah. It's, it does look cartoonish. I would see where a cartoonist would be like, I gotta draw this thing, it's insane. Because the way it, the way it like destroys, you can't even imagine that much forcing to come out of something so minuscule, you're like, how does it even generate that much power? Because they move shitty and slow. I mean, they look really, it's, you know what, it's like, you ever see someone who looks like slovenly and fat and lazy, and they can throw a football like ADRs and you know, black suddenly is like, what the fuck is like one of the most athletic people can you stand in that flip? Like what? We who? Farley doing cartwheels. Well, he was a remarkable athlete because he was a rugby player, but he was just big, and he had that something inside, it was like a little gem of energy that was like, you're gonna be able to do anything. Even though the shell is odd, yeah, but that, but that to me was like these all fascinating evolution things that I'm like, that's, that's insane. How is it, how is it still around? Yeah. And why is it still around? Yeah, yeah. Nothing's killing it. Yeah, that's it. There's actually in Australia, if you get a chance south of Adelaide, there's kangaroo island, which is someone I just like decide to stick some qualabers and kangaroos and stuff on this island with no predators, some marsupials. So now if you're, if you're gonna go rent a car there, they all have the, whatever those guards are. Well, if you're the cow pusher, like they have on trains. Cause you're probably going to run over some marsupial bug, if you're outside at a restaurant, like kangaroos are coming up to you, like begging for food. Yeah, they're obnoxious. Yeah. Most of Australians hate them. We kind of have this weird affinity for them. You go down there and they're like, nah, can't stand a mic. They, they loath them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause they're, especially if you live out where there's a lot, they're annoying as shit. Yeah. And they, they come into people's stuff. We went to go see the quakas on rotten ass island. By the way, the name rot nest, we were like, ooh, what's that from? It's pretty deliberate. Yeah. It's because it was a rotting nest. We're like, it's gross. Yeah. We're going to see these quakas. They're like, what do you call it? Like oversized squirrels? What would they, they're kind of like squirrel rats, but they're like huge, they're pretty big, but they're cute. Yeah. And they're fucking everywhere. Yeah. And they hate it everywhere. Yeah. I think they're like, they're possums because they have like, but they have strange possums over there that are like so much cuter than ours. Yeah. But they have much cuter animals. I want to feed them grapes. And then people like, don't, they're like, in my attic and like, they're costing you tens of thousands of dollars just ruining. They're very, they have much cuter, they're, their new senses are cuter than ours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of the best thing to say. It's like, your new senses is cute. It would be Australia that I'm cute new senses. Yeah. We take our squirrels for granted. Yeah. And a lot of people see our squirrels are like, holy shit. We really do. We take it all for granted. Yeah. Yeah. I'm no longer going to take three totes, or three, three totes lost for granted now. What's fascinating is these patterns that statistically emerge all over. You can, you can just start making predictions. It's just how I'm like, ah, strong, the probably scavenging, probably getting some old marrow probably. And so this is, there's, there's people that can, if they say they found a tooth of, like, a tooth of a brand new species that had never been discovered before. If it's the right tooth, especially if you can get a few of them maybe, they can go like, oh, I, I can tell they're, if they're territorial or not, and they're mating patterns. And it's simple like, oh, they eat fruit, things that eat vegetation don't have to compete for vegetation. If you eat fruit, there's only a few fruit trees around. You're going to fight more. If you're fighting more, you're probably going to be a trophy species. You might have a harem and, and compete for that harem. So you can just make all these really fucking weird inferences from finding like a tooth. Just the one little tooth. You're a scientist. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know man. That should be the next special. I don't know. I don't know. What do we really know? I don't, I, the older I get now, hold you now. I'm 45. Almost 46. Yeah, like now in my 40s, I feel like I know. How are you? 42. 43 this year. I don't feel like I know anything anymore. I feel like I know less now. And maybe that's because of what you were talking about where, I mean, it might be because you're smart. I just feel like that. Like about people tend to start going like, wait a second, like the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know, how little you know, and how, um, I guess I blind, blind hope as a kid of like what you want to happen or what you'd like to have as your life. And then you get to a stage of your middle life. I want to be a comedian since I was 10 years old, like, no, I didn't know what it was going to be like and all the fucking shit that was going to, like, now I got to be like a Instagram influencer or something to make a living and say, like, like if someone from the future or, you know, would have traveled back in time or myself, go back and, like, you know, I thought when I was a kid, I was like, I know I'm like signing up to be kind of a clown and like, I just kind of leave my ego at the door. A little bit, I didn't know that it would get more embarrassed, like, I would chill out a little bit. That would cool out. No. Embarrassing through the roof, the most. But you wouldn't, I said this the other day to my wife, I was, I don't know if I would be anything else anymore. I don't. If somebody, if somebody was like, no more comedian for you anymore, I'd go, well, I thought about becoming a scientist, you should have gotten some offer, do you need an assistant? That's only because of some, but it's only for financial stability and now fucking nothing stable anymore. Yeah. Sign doesn't go. Oh, no. You know. So I'm that scary note. Watch the special right now. Watch both specials right now. What's up? Do you want to go through the Shane versus Sean statistics? Oh, give me the Shane versus Sean. Yes. Hold on. Are we separating S, I got, so we can do some, we can do this a few, we can do a few rounds round one. We're going to rank what's more popular? Shane, Sean, AWN or Sean, S, E, A, N. And then we can go through. My guess would be S, E, A, N is more popular than S, H, A, W, N. S, E, A, N is the traditional Irish. And then where is Shane and all this? Shane would be probably second to Sean and go Shane, Sean, S, H, A, W, N, Sean. Okay. Yeah, what do you think? Irish, Shane, Irish, Sean first, S, E, A, N, first. Okay, cool. I think S, E, A, N, S, H, A, W, N, and then Shane. Really? Yeah. Both of you are wrong. What? What? S, H, A, W, N is the most popular. What? Then I don't know any S, H, A, W, N, then S, E, A, N, then Sean, then Shane, then Shane, then Shane, then Shane. Then Shane, then Shane. Once again in the last. Yeah. Let's see if we can guess how close in those three like to the number. Oh, okay. What their numbers are in the U.S. Percentages are total number. Total estimated population. They get pretty specific on this website. Jesus. Okay. So, S, H, A, W, N, that's the most popular. And we're guessing the total number of Sean's in the United States of America. Yep. God bless. 300,000. No way. That's way too many. No, no. I think that's too little. That's too little. That's too little? I'm going to guess. It's over a million. What? It's crazy. I'm such a big city. I'll go low on the other one. I'll say like, I'll say the, the lesser Sean's, which is how I refer to them now. The lesser Sean's, the lesser is, I'll say 70,000. I think that's undershoot. And then where is Shane? Shane's like 45. Okay. I know 45,000. So Sean, so S, H, A, W, N is, yeah, it's kind of maybe like a half a million. And then S, E, A, N would be 2250 and Shane's 175. Okay. What is it? S, H, A, W, N, 245,184. Wow. S, E, A, N, not too far behind it. 236,738. So you weren't too far off on that. And Shane is 111,699. You're a special boy. It's more Shane's out there than I realize though I'm both, I'm both special and there's more of us. That was a, that was a really heartwarming. Let's do a Shane meetup. Shane wants to do a meetup. We're going to put in a dress here below. Please go to a Shane meetup next to me. There could be a Shane festival. Shane does to be right. How many annals are there? How many what? How many Andrews are there in the US? Andrews? Oh my goodness. So funny. It's the 58th most popular given name in the US. Really? You know what's funny? I don't have one other friend named Andrew. I don't know. Do you know any other Andrews? I know some of them. I go by Santino anyway. I don't really know what it calls me, Andrew. I would say. - What? 58th most popular name in the US. - Out of 360 million people. So just the ductive math would say that's gotta be what? - I said 50 million. I think that's way too high. - 50 million. - Maybe you shouldn't be a scientist. - My mind is all just Andrews out there. - There's a lot of them. - There's just nothing but Andrews. - It's just under a million, like 850? - 880,000. - Whoa. - Oh, two million. - Pretty good. - I looked up my name. - Okay. - How about McCone? McCone, corkery, one of the most rare names on Earth. McCone, here in the United States, M-C-K-O-N-S. - Nothing. - I'm gonna guess there's 7,000 McCone's in the United States. - Oh, wow. I like your guess. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go under. I'm gonna sit 4,000. - 4,000, $1, Bob. - So it says here, it only's giving me last name statistics. It says, this name is, most often uses a last name. 100% of the time. So I don't think there's any, no McCone's. - Other than me. - You are the first McCone I've ever met. - Yeah. - But I imagine there was more out there because there's enough Irish people. - It's a famous last name, but it's never really uses a first name. - Same, same. - See, and now next generation, there's gonna be enough people that listen to this podcast. - And they start naming them. - They're gonna get up into the 4,000, 7,000. - Well, when we're dead, we'll see the ticker finally get to 7,000. We're like, yeah. (laughing) We'll do it like mine, same thing, my name. - Yeah, same thing. - The amount of Santinos that it's a first name, it's a very, it's a super popular first name. Almost never a last name. In fact. - Really? - Yes, Santino's very odd to have his last name. - Huh. - It's Sonny Corleone, Santino Corleone. It's a very popular first name. Sonny Santino. In fact, I grew up with a kid. Sonny Skerlato, his name was Santino Skerlato. And I always thought that was wild. I was like, yeah, you're less than my first name. He's like, did your last name is a first name? And I was like, oh, really? But it is, like how many, right? Like how many Santino? - I put it in the US. It's a, the name is commonly used either first or last name, more specifically uses a first name, 53% of the time. So it's pretty even split first or last name. - Oh, is it? - See, I never met another one. - But that's just in the US. And Italy, it's probably more. - Well, that's not go over there. We'll get dark. You never know what's going on here. - Isn't it funny how much sense everything makes after you hear the fact of it? - It's like I knew at the whole time. - I don't know why I guess. It's definitely what I knew. - Exactly what we talked about. - I knew at the whole time. I knew at the whole time. Please do me a favor, folks at home. Please go watch both of the specials. They're gonna be linked down below. If the second one isn't out by the time this comes up because timing is all over the place, please watch it when it does come out 'cause it comes out May. - May 19th. - May 19th. - Early release, right? - Now a hundred pound gorillas. - 800 pound gorillas, so great. By the way, great, phenomenal. A great, great company to work with, right? - Yeah. - And they have a lot of, they've supported a lot of comedians for a very long time. They'll be linked below. I appreciate you so very much. We end the episode the same way. - Look into that camera and say one word or one phrase. Whenever it enters your mind. You could be, you could impart a word of phrase of wisdom or one singular word if you want to just drop the hammer. - Randomness. In here, we pull, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk, whisk. - Oh, that creature in the ginger field. - Sturdy, ginger. - Like that has the ginger gene intricate. - Ginger is a fugitive. You only five dollars for the whiskey. 75 dollars for the whole. - Ginger is our hell now. - This whiskey is excellent. - Ginger. I like ginger.