Howard Marks argues that government attempts to manipulate market rates—such as Treasury bond buybacks—fail to address the root causes of rising long-term interest rates. These rates are driven by persistent inflation, unsustainable fiscal deficits, and strong demand for capital, especially from AI investments and debt refinancing. While such interventions may offer temporary relief, they are akin to applying an ice pack to a fever without treating the cause, and often backfire by eroding market confidence. Marks emphasizes that the U.S. fiscal system is operating beyond its sustainable limits, with deficits nearing 6% of GDP and interest payments surpassing the defense budget. Despite the dollar’s global reserve status, continued deficit financing risks currency debasement and loss of trust. The only viable long-term solution lies in fiscal responsibility—raising revenues, especially through higher top marginal tax rates, controlling spending, and boosting productivity via AI and pro-market reforms. For investors, the risk is not in the stock market itself but in the potential decline of U.S. fiscal credibility and the dollar. Moving capital abroad introduces significant risk due to weaker growth, regulation, and uncertainty in emerging markets. Marks concludes that while no single solution is universally accepted, addressing the fiscal imbalance through structural change is essential. Ignoring the laws of economics—whether through policy or investment—will ultimately lead to systemic failure. The solution is not debt reduction, but behavioral and structural reform, with the timing of action being critical to long-term stability.
This is The Memo, by Howard Marks.
Shall we repeal the laws of economics, Part 3?
In September of 2024 and June, 2025, I wrote memos that were critical of government
systems to override the laws of economics, based on my conviction that trying to do so
is likely to prove ineffective and potentially harmful.
Economies are naturally functioning organisms, and trying to steer them will distort their
functioning and, usually, worsen the overall result.
Sometimes doing so is necessary to prevent outcome society deems unacceptable, such as
widespread poverty or unemployment, but it should be done selectively and with great caution.
The best analogy is to nature.
There's a circle of life, as described by a song in the movie The Lion King.
The circle has negative aspects, since it works through processes such as survival of
the fittest, but it keeps the whole imbalance.
Humans can take steps to suppress a predator for the protection of prey, but interventions
of this kind can have second order effects, causing other species to grow out of control,
and throwing the overall environment out of balance.
Having one species prey upon another may seem unkind, but human efforts to improve the
overall result can easily produce unintended consequences.
And that leads me to efforts to dictate the operation of markets.
The latest such attempt was announced in response to the fact that long-term interest rates
have been rising of late. On August 17, the yield on the 30-year U.S. Treasury bond closed
at over 5.3 percent, then a 19-year high.
A government or central bank might want to stem the rise and bring about lower, long-term
rates, since higher ones tend to, A, depress economic growth, B, reduce the affordability
of things that are usually paid for through loans, like cars and houses, C, increase the
cost of servicing the federal debt, which has recently reached an astounding $40 trillion,
and D, suggest a loss of confidence among market participants.
The Federal Reserve can't directly set long-term rates the way the Federal Open Market Committee
sets a target range for the Federal Fund's rate, which strongly influences other short-term
rates.
The Treasury doesn't set long-term rates either, but it can influence them through issuance
and buybacks.
Thus, on August 19, in a move it described as intended to provide greater liquidity support
in longer-dated securities, the Treasury announced it would at least double the maximum
size of its long-dated buybacks from $2 billion per operation to $4 billion.
The next day, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent indicated a willingness to do more, something
approaching a "whatever it takes" promise.
All else equal, more buying should result in higher bond prices, and higher bond prices
mean lower bond yields.
Long rates declined immediately after the announcement, but they bounced back the next day.
Will it solve the problem?
I view this action as an attempt to improve the interest rate picture cosmetically.
It may constitute a response to the effects of rising rates just enumerated, but it can't
be described as solving the underlying problem.
First, any effect may be temporary.
All else equal, you can raise the price of something by buying it, or you can make the
price of something decline by selling it.
But the impact of your actions may be fleeting, and once you stop, the market is likely to
go back to doing what it would have done if you hadn't intervened.
My vision is of a column of water in the ocean.
Its upward thrust can keep a ball suspended above the surface for as long as it continues,
but as soon as the water stops being pumped upward, the ball will fall.
On August 24th, investor Stanley Druckenmiller responded to Bessent's announcement with an
opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal.
Here are some of my favorite bits from what he wrote.
Every basis point of artificial yield suppression is a subsidy to procrastination.
Whatever this operation saves in basis points, it will cost multiples in delay.
Governments defending prices against fundamentals always lose.
The only variable is how much they spend before conceding.
Druckenmiller knows what he's talking about, as he helped conceive the most famous macro
trade in history.
He was running George Soros' Quantum Fund on a day-to-day basis in 1992 when it successfully
bet against the Bank of England's ability to support the pound in contravention of
fundamentals.
That trade reportedly earned the fund about $1 billion, at a time when $1 billion was
real money.
Second, it doesn't directly respond to the issues at the root of the rate rise.
The increase in rates that the treasury finds undesirable isn't a random phenomenon that's
occurring for no reason, among the likely contributors are these.
Inflation is stubbornly higher than is desirable.
For example, PCE inflation was 3.7% in July versus the Fed's long-term target of 2%.
This is the primary reason why the Federal Reserve raised its benchmark interest rate
last week.
Elevated oil prices associated with the war with Iran threatened to keep inflation high.
Because inflation reduces the purchasing power of currencies over time, investors buying
long-term instruments demand that yields incorporate an inflation protection component to protect
the purchasing power of the money with which they'll be repaid.
The U.S. displays a total lack of fiscal discipline.
Thanks to the dollar's position as the world's reserve currency, the U.S. has had what I call
a golden credit card, on which there's no credit limit.
The bill never comes, and the interest rate is extremely low.
But it uses the card unwisely.
John Maynard Keynes was a strong advocate of deficit spending a hundred years ago.
In fact, deficit spending is closely identified with Keynesian economics.
He advocated running deficits during economic slowdowns to spur employment, repaying the
resulting debt when the economy returns to growth.
Today, the U.S. is incurring massive deficits during prosperity, and we hear no talk of balanced
budgets, and really of budgets at all.
And note that large deficits can be inflationary, especially when the economy is operating
near capacity, since the government adds more to liquidity through its spending than it
withdraws through taxes.
This incremental liquidity stimulates aggregate demand, and thus, economic growth, adds to
inflation, and thus exacerbates the problem just described.
Today's deficit is in the vicinity of 6% of GDP, an extraordinarily high level for an
economy and enjoying prosperity with unemployment of only 4%.
Net interest outlays are projected at more than $1 trillion this year, more than the defense
budget, and they will rise rapidly if the debt continues to grow faster than GDP.
And what if interest rates rise further from here?
This profligacy raises the possibility that the credit card may be taken away, or at least
be limited in some way.
The immediate consequence would be higher interest rates on U.S. debt.
This would increase the cost of servicing the debt, and further expand the deficit, perpetuating
the negative spiral caused by the lack of fiscal discipline.
Treasury buybacks are financed from its general cash resources, which ultimately are replenished
through additional issuance.
To the extent increased long-term bond buybacks are accompanied by greater T bill issuance,
and transactions don't change our overall indebtedness, but they shorten the maturity
pattern of our debt, necessitating more frequent refunding at whatever rates prevail.
This doesn't seem likely to bolster confidence in our fiscal picture.
The need to fund the massive federal deficits comes on top of the routine need for capital
that accompanies the growth of the U.S. economy, and to that is added the multi-trillion-dollar
investment in AI.
The result of this combination is strong demand for debt and equity capital.
The simplest rule of economics is that increased demand for something causes its price to rise.
It's entirely understandable, therefore, that this growing demand for capital should put
upward pressure on the price of money.
Interest rates.
Looking ahead, the AI build out is likely to cost trillions of dollars, with McKinsey
and Company estimating that over $5 trillion will be spent worldwide through 2030 on data
centers directly related to AI.
Affair bit of this will probably be borrowed, but even that which comes from the sale of
equity will draw from the total supply of available capital affecting the interest rates
bonds must pay to attract investors.
At the same time, the treasurer
will have to refinance an enormous volume of maturing securities while financing the annual deficits.
Most of its issuance will merely roll maturing debt, but the new net issuance of roughly two
trillion dollars will add to the supply investors must absorb, putting upward pressure on yields
and arguing against the likelihood of a decline in interest rates anytime soon.
According to the Financial Times of August 22nd, Bessent argued on Thursday that
yields don't reflect the underlying fundamentals, citing the effect of the Iran war and
very poor liquidity in the 30-year treasury market. On the contrary, I think US long-term bond yields
are reflecting the fundamentals as just described. Third, I think the impact of treasury/fed
announcements is often largely psychological, designed to produce a certain reaction as this one
did for a day. But their influence can weigh in over time, especially if not backed up with
attention to root causes. The bottom line regarding this go-round is that the market doesn't seem to be
impressed. Listen to the following note issued by Evercore ISI on September 9th.
Today at 11 a.m. was the big reveal for the first round of treasury secretary Bessent's ramped up
treasury twist buybacks. Treasury announced a tripling in the maximum size of the buyback
operation on Thursday from two billion dollars to six billion dollars, more than the at least
four billion dollars promised in August. But markets look underwhelmed, with yields at the time
of writing moving higher. The goal shouldn't be to get interest rates down. It should be to respond
to the factors pushing rates up. Forcing rates down by buying bonds is like a doctor applying
an ice pack to a patient with a fever. The ice pack may lower the patient's temperature,
but the patient isn't likely to get healthy until the underlying cause of the fever has been dealt with.
Is the debt a problem? I get this question a lot, and it can be hard to get one's head around it.
On one hand, simply put, it doesn't seem reasonable that the US can continue forever to spend more
than it brings in. And as economist Herbert Stein once said, "If it can't go on forever, it will stop."
You can't argue with that. But on the other hand, it's hard to figure out what will render the
US unable to continue financing deficits by adding to its debt. While then candidate Donald Trump
initially made some ambiguous comments about making a deal on US debt during the 2016 presidential
campaign, I don't think there's a serious probability the US will fail to repay debt as scheduled.
Why would we, since our debt is denominated in a currency the US issues?
When I was young, I had a 1,000 mark note from the Weimar Republic of the early 1920s
that had been overprinted 1 million marks. Germany had large fiscal obligations stemming
from World War I debts and reparations, and money creation helped finance its deficits,
but contributed to the currency's collapse. As long as the dollar is the world's main reserve currency,
it was involved in 89% of foreign exchange transactions in 2025 and accounted for 57% of
allocated official reserves in the first quarter of 2026, it seems likely we'll be able to continue
financing deficits in our own currency. "Ah, you say. But might the dollar lose its reserve status?
Will printing too many dollars render them less accepted?" That's a tough question.
I think the world needs safe, liquid reserve currencies for storing reserves and engaging in
international transactions. For the US dollar not to be the main reserve currency,
another currency or group of currencies would have to take a larger role.
15 years ago some thought that could be the euro. It remains the second largest reserve currency,
but it hasn't closed the gap with the dollar. Later, China's progress seemed capable of winning
reserve status for the Renminbi, but it still accounts for only about 2% of allocated official
reserves, and capital controls and global tensions make a rapid ascent unlikely.
There is, however, some talk of China, Russia, and Iran coming up with an alternative to the dollar.
Gold isn't widely used in transactions, nor is it likely to be for obvious reasons,
but according to a note last week from MUFG bank, it recently surpassed the dollar
as the world's leading central bank reserve asset. Lastly, cryptocurrency plays only a negligible
reserve role. For the most part, the world is probably stuck with the dollar for now.
So, the US is likely to continue being able to make nominal payments in dollars to service its debt.
That brings us to the next question. What will happen to exchange rates?
Creating large amounts of a currency can, all else equal, reduce its value relative to
things and other currencies. You can easily turn a 1000 mark note into a 1 million mark note,
but it's likely to still buy just one goat. As I wrote in my memo, the limits to negativism,
in 2008. In fact, people who ponder what the US will do about the debt are talking about the
debatement trade. Actions designed to let us pay our debts using dollars with reduced purchasing
power. That is, by forking over fewer goats. As the financial times wrote, on August 22nd,
the Treasury's new attempt to depress bond yields is a signal that rather than tame spending,
the US is prepared to distort markets to cap borrowing costs, even if that causes its currency
to fall. That raises more questions about the dollar as a haven.
Such actions can be self-defeating because they make people worry about the purchasing power of
the dollars with which they'll be repaid, which makes them demand higher interest rates on new dollar
debt. Note that my 2008 mention of the overprinted Vimer note was occasioned by concern over the large
amounts of central bank liquidity that were being created to pull us out of the global financial crisis.
A lot of people, including me, were worried that it could weaken the dollar relative to other
currencies or cause inflation to accelerate. But the dollar was not durably debased against
major currencies and sustained high inflation did not follow. The expansion of the Fed's balance
sheet in 2008 was a necessary and prudent step to stop a meltdown of the world financial system
that appeared to be underway. As it turned out, it didn't debase the dollar. In my view,
it largely offset the destruction of money and credit brought about by the global financial crisis.
Today's massive deficit financing is being done in response to deficits of our own making,
and it's taking place in a time of prosperity so it can add to aggregate demand and inflation pressure.
It's often best to let Warren Buffett have the last word, so I'll close this section by quoting
from his remarks at the May 2025 Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting. Fiscal policy is what
scares me in the United States. We're operating at a fiscal deficit now that is unsustainable
over a very long period of time. We don't know whether that means two years or twenty years,
because there's never been a country like the United States. Is there a solution?
The issue at hand isn't a matter of conjecture, just math. We're spending more than we're taking in.
We're increasing our debt relative to our GDP, and our interest bill is growing rapidly.
This is a problem long in the making, long recognized, and long warned about,
which now seems to be starting to bite. It won't get fixed of its own accord, and so far,
no one has stepped up to fix it. An acute problem, a failed treasury auction or buyer's strike,
seems improbable, but the cost is chronic and already being imposed.
As Dr. Miller wrote in the Wall Street Journal, "If the 30-year must trade at 5.5% to clear,
that is in a crisis. It is an invoice. We either must pay it, whatever it grows to,
or we must fix the underlying problem. If a person or a country is living beyond their means,
there's only one genuine long-term solution. Change behavior. The only hope lies in doing the following.
Forget phrases like pay down the debt, or pay off the debt, except that we're unlikely to ever
have less debt than we do now." Adopt fiscal responsibility. Start caring about budgets and their
impact. Flatten the curve, a phrase from the COVID-19 pandemic. Increase revenues as a percentage
of GDP through higher income tax rates.
especially at the upper end, with a top federal marginal rate is quite low relative to much of the postwar period and elimination of tax preferences.
Hold the rate of growth in spending below GDP growth by applying the discipline that comes with thinking of resources as finite.
There's one more thing that could help. All else being equal, raising the rate of GDP growth would both increase tax revenues
and reduce total spending relative to GDP.
The best way to accomplish this would be through increased productivity, which could be advanced through the combination of A, solid economic growth, B, increasing use of AI,
which more than anything else is a productivity tool and C, pro-business policies that reduce unneeded regulation that impairs efficiency.
A final element is essential, however, we'll have to keep the added revenue from being spent.
If we do these things, annual deficits should shrink as a percentage of GDP. The annual increase in debt should be smaller and the debt to GDP ratio could decline.
I think that's the best we can hope for.
Few people will be happy with all the components I just described, for example, no one likes to pay higher taxes, but a country that won't cut spending has to look at revenue.
I sincerely doubt there's another solution available.
What to do in the meantime?
While we're waiting for Washington to solve the problem, what should we do in our portfolios?
That's what a friend of mine, not an investment professional, but a nationally known entrepreneur, asked me last month.
Should I sell my stocks?
That's not the answer, I told him.
The problem we face isn't a problem with the US stock market or with US companies. It's a problem with US fiscal management, and ultimately a potential problem with the US dollar.
If you sell your US stocks, where will you put your money? A bank? A money market fund? Bonds?
If they're denominated in dollars, you haven't escaped the risk under discussion here.
If the US is bad habits catch up with it, and investors become less happy with US treasuries, that's likely to manifest itself through a lower opinion of the dollar.
If you want to do something about that risk, you may have to move into A assets denominated in currencies other than the dollar, B non-financial assets such as gold or non-US real estate or C, non-US companies or cryptocurrencies.
But moving to non-dollar or non-US assets introduces other risks. Many companies elsewhere in the developed world have poorer growth prospects than leading US companies and less scale, and thus fewer economies of scale, and many operate in jurisdictions that are more highly regulated and less business-friendly.
Companies in emerging markets often appear to have good growth potential, but realizing it is much more uncertain.
Most institutional investors have been heavily allocated to the US to date with great success, and the reasons for that, the free market system, pro-business climate, economic vitality, spirit of innovation and adaptability, technological and managerial expertise, rule of law, moderate regulation, excellent higher education.
Strong capital markets largely remain intact. In my opinion, no other country possesses these things to the same extent.
Taking money out of the US entails risks that could easily render it unsuccessful, especially if it's down to avoid a problem whose reckoning may be so far off, and I don't want to give the impression that only the US is running deficits.
If you move out of dollar assets and into another currency that's subject to debasement, what have you accomplished?
That's not to say I flatly oppose diversification away from the dollar. For investors with non-dollar needs, goals or aspirations, it may make sense to own fewer dollar-denominated assets, but I don't think it should be done on a great scale for the reasons I've just described.
The bottom line. You can't ignore the laws of economics and expect to come out ahead.
I don't think the US can perpetually spend more than it takes in, and not expect its creditworthiness to be questioned, and its IOUs, its currency and Treasury securities to be disrespected.
This isn't an investment problem. It's a political problem, but it poses a problem for investors.
Selling dollar assets may not be the answer. No one's likely to do enough of it to eliminate the issue, and doing so could easily look like a big mistake for a very long time, since no one knows whether or when the issue will come to a head.
There's just one potential solution. Will we face up to the problem and take action?
September 22nd, 2026.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Markets should not be artificially steered, as interventions often create unintended consequences and distort natural economic processes.
Rising long-term interest rates reflect real economic fundamentals such as persistent inflation, fiscal deficits, and rising demand for capital, not temporary market fluctuations.
Treasury bond buybacks may provide short-term psychological relief but fail to address root causes and could worsen long-term market confidence.
The U.S. fiscal situation is unsustainable due to massive deficits, growing debt, and rising interest costs, despite the dollar’s reserve status.
Sustainable solutions require fiscal discipline—increasing revenues, controlling spending, and boosting productivity through AI and pro-business policies.
Investors cannot escape risks from deteriorating U.S. fiscal health, even if they shift to non-U.S. assets, as such moves carry significant uncertainty and potential losses.
The core issue is political and structural, not purely economic, and long-term stability depends on behavioral change, not debt reduction.
Artificial manipulation of rates or markets is a short-sighted response; addressing the underlying fiscal imbalances is the only viable path forward.
Summary:
Howard Marks argues that government attempts to manipulate market rates—such as Treasury bond buybacks—fail to address the root causes of rising long-term interest rates. These rates are driven by persistent inflation, unsustainable fiscal deficits, and strong demand for capital, especially from AI investments and debt refinancing. While such interventions may offer temporary relief, they are akin to applying an ice pack to a fever without treating the cause, and often backfire by eroding market confidence.
S. fiscal system is operating beyond its sustainable limits, with deficits nearing 6% of GDP and interest payments surpassing the defense budget. Despite the dollar’s global reserve status, continued deficit financing risks currency debasement and loss of trust.
The only viable long-term solution lies in fiscal responsibility—raising revenues, especially through higher top marginal tax rates, controlling spending, and boosting productivity via AI and pro-market reforms. S. fiscal credibility and the dollar.
Moving capital abroad introduces significant risk due to weaker growth, regulation, and uncertainty in emerging markets. Marks concludes that while no single solution is universally accepted, addressing the fiscal imbalance through structural change is essential. Ignoring the laws of economics—whether through policy or investment—will ultimately lead to systemic failure.
The solution is not debt reduction, but behavioral and structural reform, with the timing of action being critical to long-term stability.
FAQs
He argues that markets function like natural ecosystems, and interventions often create unintended consequences, such as disrupting balance and causing other issues to grow out of control.
Rising rates are primarily driven by persistent inflation, elevated oil prices due to the Iran war, and massive U.S. fiscal deficits that increase demand for capital and debt.
Bond buying can temporarily lower yields by increasing bond prices, but the effect is fleeting and does not address the underlying economic fundamentals driving rate increases.
He does not believe the U.S. will default, as its debt is denominated in its own currency, which remains the world's dominant reserve currency, giving it flexibility to finance deficits.
High fiscal deficits, lack of fiscal discipline, rising government debt, and growing demand for capital from AI investments and economic growth are all key drivers.
He recommends adopting fiscal responsibility, increasing revenue through higher taxes (especially on high incomes), controlling spending growth, and boosting productivity via AI and pro-business policies.
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