Sex and the City S4E2: "The Real Me" with Margaret Cho

That's the worst. Never give an ugly guy a chance. No. So many girls are like, "I accidentally did a Frankenstein situation." [laughs] Welcome back to Girls 3 Watch! A podcast about girls and girls on TV. My name's Amelia Ritalor. I'm Evan Lazarus. And today, we have the honor, the privilege. We're shaking in our boots. We're both in sandals. The one and only. She's currently on tour. Freak out right now. It's Margaret Cho! Yeah. Hi! Hi! Hi! Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. This is literally an honor. You're like the first woman who ever did comedy in my head. [laughs] Oh, amazing. Thank you. Like, my whole town, and I was like, "So boys do it, and the market does it." That's right, yeah. Exactly. Thank you. Yeah, it's still that way. That's right. That's right. Thank you. We need more women. We need so many more women. We do. Absolutely. I agree. Yeah, I cannot imagine, like, now when me and Evan go to mics, it's almost only gay people and girls. Yeah. And then it's like, okay, back in the day, like, a girl would just be like, "I'm hanging out with seven Joes tonight." Okay. So many guys. Yeah. So many guys all the time. It's so weird. But I still think it's still a lot of guys. It is. You have to go to the right mics to be around, like, women in queer. [laughs] It's very alright, Mike, in, like, the real, sort of, general world of comedy. Uh-huh. But you have to go to the cool ones where there's women and queer people. Yeah. You're having fun in Brooklyn right now. That's good. And Brooklyn's good, 'cause in the same block, you can have the all-female queer mic in the other side. It's all right, Mike, too. Yeah. It's amazing how that balance. 'Cause you can get two in one night. Right. There's, like, acts throwing and also, you know, like a lesbian speed date. Like, it's very. There's a crossover. Yeah. We're the center of the universe. Or, we're not in the universe at all. Yeah. Sometimes when we leave Brooklyn, we have to remember it is a bubble and most things people are saying they don't make sense the rest of the nation. Yeah. And that is beautiful. It is beautiful. Yeah. I actually got to live there for a month when I was filming, um, Fire Island, 'cause we shot a lot of it in, um, we did actually shoot it all on Fire Island. We shot it on, uh, Long Island. Oh, it's the house was? Yeah. So the house was in, uh, Long Island, and, um, we only shot on Fire Island exteriors on the last week. So we stayed the majority of the time in Brooklyn. So I felt like, I felt so country. Yeah. Like chic and I wore a lot of crochet. Oh, no, of course. And it was just so, like, as you say, alfresco dining, it was just really, it was just really magical. So do you guys. The shoot in summer was a low key cold, actually. It was actually, uh, the, uh, beginning of, beginning of fall, but it was September. So it was still, like, pretty warm. Oh, yeah. And so it felt like summer, but, uh, what was cool was, like, when we finally shot exteriors in Fire Island, it was really emptied out because we were there during the week. And so nobody was there and it's really felt our own, like, little paradise. Yeah. And I love those guys so much. So we had a really great time. I can't even imagine how fun that would have happened. So because they don't, even, you can't have cars or bikes on Fire Island. Yeah. So yeah, it was really, it was really amazing. So we had, we had just, I mean, I'm true honest, such an amazing director. And, uh, we, we had an amazing crew and all those guys are so funny, you know, Joel Kampooster and Boniang and everybody, they have to so amazing. So I had a good time, but I got a taste of what it might be like to have the hummus filled life. The hummus filled probiotics with a life of a true Brooklyn, I was like, maybe one day this would be me. You're sipping kombucha. And you're like, huh? Like, I had so much probiotics in my system, like, I was just so, there was so many billions of, like, good bacteria. Well, there's a lot going on in that, but then the beverage industry with fiber right now. Yeah. Yeah. And they invented soda thighs protein and they invented soda. That's like 30 grams of fiber. It's like, what are we? Wow. I didn't even know science could get this far. That's amazing. Yeah. I just, I love that. I need it because I can't do anything. I know. I can't be responsible for my protein or fibrin intake. Exactly. That's why I need to taste like root beer. Yeah. Just drink it. Yeah. Just drink it please. Make it like a sparkly water because I can't. You can't be tricked when I eat protein. Just tell me it's something else. Yes. I love it. We did, did you live in Fire Island ever, like, for a summer or like around the house? I have only for, like, short periods is I'm a province town lady, so I've been going to province town pretty much every summer since 1986 and I've spent, like, a lot of time there. Like, I've even gone there on the offseason. And so for some reason, like, there is a divide, like, either you summer in province town or you do summer in Fire Island. It's kind of, it's pretty strict and I province town. Yeah, province town to me is like very, I mean, it's also that's kind of where the women go. There's a lot of lesbians in Cherry Grove, but I think that the, the, the, it's very women-focused province town. Yeah. Women and drag. That's all I want. It's the most, like, most per capita performers, spaces and shows and I think the whole country would even dare say world. Yeah. That's Scotland. Yeah. No, I think that's right because there's so much high caliber drag to, you see the very best of the, you know, every night, like a lesbian week this year by accident, it's so exciting. You know, you're a gay guy improv troupe is going to slay those people. Yeah, we're doing, we're doing five nights of gay guy improv for all lesbians. Oh, they're going to love you. Well, because gay guys hate going gay guys to comedy, so you're going to invert it on that. It's so weird, isn't that true? Like, it's very, and especially because your handsome, they must really get gay. Don't you dare. You know, when your handsome, handsome gay man comedian has an even tougher time. No, yeah. So I'm actually, I am sailing through, I'm like, I'm like, amazing, but it's hard because there's a feeling of like jealousy and competitiveness, but then also when you're really funny, then you prevail and then you just become super famous. Yeah. Well, I think also the hard part with the two is that I do, it's nice I do with my four close friends, but it's even like you can feel like in, that's also insists into our improv group of times. Right? It might just, we all internalize it differently, but like, we, it is like the competitive edge is there slightly. We're all very close friends and we're communicative and it doesn't, it's not an issue at all. But it's just an insistent nature of like being gay, even with your close friends, you can find it to be competitive, which, right, it's kind of cannibalistic, like we kind of eat our own. It's very, it's, it's really destructive. You know, I hope that like maybe younger generations will like do it less and less, like I was hoping that your generation might do it less, but with like my generation, we were so that way it was very hard, very, very, very, almost like the tall poppy syndrome, like you want to cut down the exceptional one. Yeah. And that's really, that's really tough. I still feel like that happens, but it's almost like subconscious, like people don't even mean to do it, like they don't realize that's why they're doing it or like why am I mad at this person? And it's like your jealous. It's jealousy, but it's so pushed under because you have shame around the jealousy too. Yeah. So it's like we have to fully examine like what's happening in these social structures when we're like all artists together. Yeah. Be very, very destructive, like physically and mentally and psychologically because you're around all this stuff that you don't know is damaging, but you think, Oh, we're just bust and balls. Yeah. It's fun. We're just making fun of each other. That's what we do. But no, no, there's all of this, it's patriarchy coming in and trying to destroy us from the outside. Not really. Oh my god. You busted her a whole podcast. Why don't you? It's so deep, but that's how the patriarchy gets us. You know, it can't get us like because we're too gorgeous, so we're too funny and we're too smart, but it can get us with the things that we don't pay attention to, which is our personal, like, rivalries. Totally. And it's like, I mean, we were just talking about this the other day where it's like men and vetted the patriarchy and women are the ones who enforce it. Right. Because it's like so many things that I've done. I grew up in Texas with it where it's like very like women have to be a certain way. And it's like, I was doing everything because the woman wanted me to. And it's like, but the woman wanted me to because the guys told us to and I was like unpacking all of that. Finally, I'll drop the diva. Makes sense to me. So deep. It's so deep. Oh my god. I've figured it out. Yeah. It's like that though. It does go there. It does go there. It does go there. That's one of my favorite shows. I love that show, too. You're so funny. Thank you. It's a deep. Oh, right. Oh, thank you. Drop the diva's the one where she dies. She dies. And then she goes into the body of a lawyer. Yes. And so she is. And now she dies. Because of her. A fruit crush. Yes. She's in the car accident and then they are, the lawyer dies at the same time because she gets shot in the head. So there's a body switch. It's a very K-drama, you know, K-drama is due to the other body switch. So they have a body soul switch. Ben O.C. Yeah. I remember binge watching that like summer of ninth grade being like, I should be a lawyer when I grow up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a good idea. It didn't happen, but there's still time. Yeah. But also it's great to have like an understanding of the law and understanding of why people can like visualize something and look at how you can fight for it. Yeah. So it's good to have a lawyerly mind. Yeah. Well, it's also nice to see femininity represented. So, and powerfully in the space of law, which is, I mean, we have of course, L was, but it was a very male skewing. And still is. Well, they go. - Well, they go young Miranda. - No, no, no, no. I mean, I just went to my closest friend, one of my closest friends from college from George Salon, I think there's more women that you're graduating than me. - Really? - That's great. - Yeah, I mean, women are in my higher leagues. There are so many more women in higher ed than there are men at this point. - Right. - Thank God, please. - They're better be. - They're better be. - But they're never doing that. I mean, they don't do that to my friends. Like, she's doing the job. The opposite of what one that pays. (laughing) - Right, isn't she saving the planet or something? - Yeah, my friend from college she's going to Kinsor Alley and she is helping people get their land rights to protect them from data center stealing their land in Louisiana. - Oh good. - Which is, I mean, the most incredible girl I've ever been. - Yeah, that's amazing. That's really great. - It's very cool. - I love her so much. - And you know what, also is cool. - Uh-oh. - This episode of Sex in the City. - This is a great episode. - Oh my god, it's like on it. - What do you think so? (laughing) - I love this episode. It's like one of those things in your life that you keep coming back to that people keep bringing back. Like people always repost clips of it on social media and I'm always so excited. You know, because I just remember how fun it was to be a part of this world. - Yeah. - You know, because at this, this was like, let's show, when Sex in the City really started to be a big deal. - Right, 'cause we're in season two. Everybody's seen it, everybody's reacted. Now we're like, ooh, new episode coming out. - Yeah. - Now we're invested. - Season four, right? - Oh yeah, season four. - We're in season two in other ways. (laughing) - Wait, so were you like telling everybody, so I'm gonna be on Sex in the City of the season? - Well, the way that it came about is at the, so when the pilot came out, Caroline from HBO sent the pilot to me because she wanted to me to be one of the writers on the show. 'Cause I had a spec script that was out there that was kind of, I guess it was, it was a movie that never got made, but it was my story in a way. I guess you could sort of maybe equate it to something like Trainwreck, sort of about like a girl, like a girl having sex with a lot of inappropriate people, kind of movie. So I wrote that and it was like, my spec script is, but I ended up turning Caroline down. I said, I don't know if I wanna do the show, but I got the pilot for Sex in the City before anybody else. And I watched it and I was like, this is gonna be a great show. But then it was like, I was at the crossroads in my life. Like, I didn't know if I wanted to be a writer, I wanted to be a comedian. - Right. - And so I also don't have the kind of personality of like to be in the writers room. I didn't think I had the stamina 'cause I think writers are just so dedicated in a different way that I don't have that kind of dedication. I don't have that same kind of energy. So I turned it down and then of course the show is a massive hit. And I became friends with Michael Patrick King. We were doing comedy together on a show called Uncaveray. And he and I kept talking about, oh, he's like, I would love to get you on Sex in the City. I would love to get you in there. And we're talking about it, we're talking about it. And finally, this episode came out. He was talking about putting it together. So I play a real person. That's actually-- - Lynn Cameron's real. - Yes. - She's a real person. She's actually in charge of all the Bryant Park shows. - Oh. - When it's Fashion Week, that's her moment. And she's out in the back, calling the shots. She's out in the back, really directing all the action that you see on the runway and making it to the standard of the designer whoever's doing it. So she's a real person and she has a very big reputation of being a potty, mouth, foul mouth, really angry when things don't go right. And she's Asian American also. So it was really fun to play her. And she was actually there when we were filming because she wanted to make sure that her portrayal was perfect and she was so pleased with me. - We love so funny. - She's like, I have to be on set for this. - Yeah, she's like, I have to watch and make sure that you do it right. And so it was really cool. But it's so weird to, whenever I go on a new show or like I'm booked on something, it's like real new school feelings, like first day of school feelings. You're like, oh, what, you know, what if nobody sits with me at lunch, like that kind of feeling of like I'm going to be so alone, so I'm going to anybody. I mean, I know Michael, of course, but he'll be back. He'll be busy. So what do I, what do I do? I don't even know. And so I'm like, she's real scared. And I'm then to, but to also play an authority figure because that character is like calling the shots and she's yelling at everybody. It's so intimidating. - Right, they're like action and you're like, you're like, hey, hey, it's just scary. So I had to sort of psych myself up for that. And so the process began with going to Silver Cup, which is their studio and meeting to design the look with Pat Patricia Field, of course, the famous designer also House of Field is the boutiques, her amazing boutiques in New York, which was so legendary. And so I met her, she's got that crazy red hair and she brought me into the wardrobe department where you saw all of their costumes, like just, can you imagine? - I can't even imagine something like that. - Like all of the dresses are sort of like out and you know, there's their sectioned off. - Oh my god. - You see like Carrie and Samantha and Rhett and Charlotte. Like you see their clothes and the things and then you see like kind of what they're playing with for the next episodes. And so just imagine like a whole room filled with the clothes of that world. - You see your dress is a black turtle neck. - Oh my god, I was like, all mine is Donna Karen. It's like so disappointing when you walk in. It's like, you'll be wearing Donna Karen. I'm like, okay. I got some Michael Cours in there for you. Oh, really? Thank you. Thank you. It's such a bummer when you're like presented with all the anterior loft. You could possibly want to work. It's so funny. But it's like, yeah, it's, it's a, it was Donna Karen. I believe it was like an anteler or some kind of anteler loft. - That would break me. - Yeah. It's so sad. Maybe there was, they put in a Chico's in there or something. - You're like, you're welcome to take a home with you. - You can go ahead and take the slain Bryant home. Like you, we don't think. - It means we're gonna tell that. - No. - It's hell. - No, no, no. It's just very, you know, it's the reality of film life. But you know, it's, it was really cool to just meet Patricia Field, like and just kind of hang out with her for a bit and talk to her about like, okay, well, you know, 'cause like fashion people all out of the times wear a uniform because they're just so fashioned up to here that they're like, we don't even wanna think about what to wear. So that character is like like that. And I think that, that person is like that. She just looks like, I'm just gonna wear the same thing every day because it doesn't matter. It's like Tim Gunn or Andrea Leontelli. - No, I don't wanna think that anymore. - Did you sit down with Lynn? You're like, let's get lunch and learn about each other. What was the, no, no. - We just talked, we just, we just talked on set. But I saw her and we looked each other and we're like, oh, I see. - Yeah, yeah. - It's really okay. This totally makes sense because we look alike. And we're just, we're the same person pretty much. - Literally, one glance at it all. - We were just like, oh, yeah, this is right. - Yeah. - But yeah, it was really cool to meet her. And then so when I first came on, they picked me up super early and I was introduced to Jose Lana who played my little, like, companion. - Right. - So he was my boyfriend and my escort. He's so gorgeous and he's just, he's an amazing actor and he's an amazing guy. So I love having like a, a gay male escort. - Me too, that's for number one for me, yeah. - You've got to. - I like turned the camera off. - You have to experience. It's so great to have like a handsome gay male escort. Like, you have to have a beautiful one. - Yeah. - But he's got to be a lot of fun and really cool. And that's just like my life. Like, as I get older. - The way I have that too, I'm like, I find that. - Yeah, it's perfect. - It's perfect. - It's perfect. - But the older that I get, the younger I want them, like I really want like a trophy queen. Like you want a younger and yet so that when I'm like, in my 80s, I want to be pushed along on a wheelchair by like a tween. - Yeah. - 12 years old and they're like, Margaret, let's go. - Oh, mama. - Come on, girl. - I got you, girl, you know. Like I think that's really funny to have you under. - So do you. - Of course, Friday. - Yes. - That's so beautiful. - Well, I found this interview from the week of you, when the first came out and you said, I love fashion, I love clothes. I'm so much of a shopaholic. I'm an artist and what I wear. And I was like, yeah, you still are those things. - Yes. - Are you a shopaholic? - Still though, that's the big question. - That's really tough. Like because I've become much more conscious of climate change when it comes to shopping. - I know. - And I'm trying to be much more thoughtful about it. So the majority of my shopping is like vintage. And I try like Vester, like Vester, real real. If I have to go designer, like it's better. I think it's better to buy like archival vintage and that would be like the ideal, but that's gets expensive too. But it's better than feeling your closet with fast fashion, which I have had a tendency to do at times. - Me too. - Girl, let's get yourself a cup of studios. That sounds like. (laughing) - I mean, yeah, that's the ideal of like going to a studio. I had a friend that had a job at Universal and he worked in the Word of Department and he would give me a lot of stuff from there, which is like really great. So, but yeah, I try to now curb my consumerist tendencies by buying vintage when I can and or like, like just going to like crossroads or totally. - I'm like the biggest topaholics among us are vintage lovers. - Yeah. - I mean, 'cause I'm a, I would kind of try this for myself a bit of a topaholic, but I only, like I try to buy as much vintage as I possibly can as well. - Yeah. - This is also, it's also the price barrier is so different. Like you can, it's also part of the adventure of shopping with vintage, it's my favorite thing on earth. Going on McCarrie in Japan. - Oh yeah. Oh yeah. - That is so good. - It's so good and then nobody has it. - Exactly. - And then you, but if you can find like, there's a couple of like holy grail things that I'm always looking for and like, I always want the Vivian Westwood horns. - Of course. - The devil horns. - That's what I'm like, why is that so hard? Of course you could find like a knock-up, but it didn't, it doesn't hit. - No, 'cause then it's fast-fast. - Yeah. - I mean, that's the hardest part of all of this. - Yeah. - There's apparently like eight items that everyone wants and no one else can have. And then the rest is like, well, there's more Talbids. (laughing) But yeah, like, I do, I still think like, I am a big like coveted envy or like, I want so much like fashion stuff, but I try. Also now, I have so much stuff that it's like, I've got to get rid of things as well. So decluttering and moving things on has been really important as well. - Has Marie Kondo done a number on you? - Yeah, totally, totally. Like, I've Marie Kondo like my house like several times because you still have the tendency to like pull things in. So it's just about like making space, it's really hard. - Yeah, I mean, I've lived in New York four years and moved four times. And I am like, oh, I like don't even have that much stuff. The move will be easy. And then like every time I'm like, girl, when did you get all of this? - Yeah. - Like, where is it from? - It's another drama every time. - Yeah. - Right, I keep, I don't even think about that, but like a New York space is such a premium. - Every time someone's like, oh, take this pamphlet and like, the Congress okay, I'm like, I wouldn't have to throw up my mattress if you want me to. - Yeah, you want to take me just don't want to take anything because it's like-- - I'm putting it in my fridge. I'm like, there's no space anywhere. - Yeah. - It really is how I set that point. - Yeah. - And like, I can't buy another top. It's like, I have to, I need a place to work. Or what about? - Yeah. - It's like, we're getting in that diurestrate at this point. - Right, a denim is like, you really have to consider it. Like, if it's, yeah, is it really, I don't know. I don't know if I could, I can welcome these jeans. - I don't know. - Literally, and it's so important because it's like, when I decide on a pair of jeans, I'm like, this gonna be a part of my life for the next decade. - Yeah. - Like, if I don't love this, I can't have it. - Right. - And then I'm just walking out of Oritsia, I'm de-handed. It's hard. - It's hard. - It's hard to walk out of Oritsia, but is it like, is it Oritsia fast-fi? I don't know. - Because everything is like now. - I see that. - Yeah, it's a weird middle ground. - Everything is like, they'll like trick you because you think it's an independent designer, but is it really? - No, yeah. - It's a fast fashion. - You're the first person to bring a brainwashing on this podcast. - Yes. - This is a, we need to go there. We have a proper brainwashing at it. - Yeah, we haven't. - We've done the pink tax, of course, but we have not done brainwashing. - We've been washing this really insidious because it's sort of like, am I supporting a small artist and am I supporting an independent designer? Am I supporting something like, but then it's just fast fashion. - Yeah, and it's so hard to now with people who do merch like young artists where it's like, oh, I want to support this young artist by buying like fast fashion hoodies from China. - I was talking in the description of this episode, but there's this website that's Columbia Grad just released and it's Google shopping, but it's only from independent designers. So if you type in something you want, it will only show you from small independent artists, which is amazing. - That's really cool. - Yeah, and I of course can't remember the name, but when I can, y'all can read about it. - Check the link in the description. - Let's dive into the plot of this episode. - Well, let's go to our first break and when we get back, we will dive into the plot of this episode. - Okay, so my new healthy habit plan for this summer is to get 10,000 steps a day. And in June, I did a really bad job. I was averaging like seven K a day at most. And so July is gonna be all about hitting that goal for me. If you guys like to set goals and achieve them, like I do, check out Weight Watchers. If you're looking for smart nutrition guidance and a supportive community, Weight Watchers gives you the tools to stay on track and reach your goals. 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You're running into Carrie and Stanford at a bar, and you're like, oh my God, you're like the star and queen of New York. Be in the fashion show, 'cause we're doing real New Yorkers and models. And Carrie's like, no, it couldn't be me, and you're like, come on. And you can venture. - Yes. - And then she kind of is like freaking out. I haven't seen Carrie this insecure. All the girls are very insecure this episode. I mean, Charlotte's freaking out about her vagina. Miranda's like, I'm not sexy. And then Samantha's like, some guy didn't care at the frame story that my butt's awesome. - So it's really a tough episode for all ladies. - They're all feeling like this sort of like insecurity and uncertainty and this is sort of like a way to solve that, you know, 'cause then the resolve of this is like kind of the worst thing that you think could happen happens. And she's actually okay. - Yeah. - So it's actually a wonderful thing. But, you know, it's brought up in this moment of like, super everybody's insecure. They're having the season of insecurity. And actually this scene was the first scene that we shot and then I got to meet Sam for it. Oh, you know, and he's so wonderful. He's his, he was my, we know each other. I mean, you know, until his death, we got to be friends and we were on a game show together called 25 Words or Less. And so we got to compete on teams. He's very competitive. - I could see that. - We had a really good time doing that. And he's just, I still have a hard time thinking about the fact that he's gone. Like, it's very odd to think about somebody that was so alive to be dead. Of course. - He was a really special guy. - Yeah, it seemed that way. - Yeah. - I mean, he captured her as betrayal. I mean, it's a truly nuanced game character as well. - Yeah. - Especially for the 90s. - Yeah. - I mean, his big quarrel this episode is feeling rejected because of his attraction, attractiveness. And it's like, I mean, to go there, to go there so quickly for a 90s character. I mean, it's very, for me, I always found Stanford to be someone with like inspiration. - He's so lovely, like he just played it so subtly. It's also hard to imagine the fact that he's not gay. - Yeah. - Like, oh, he's gay. - Right. - But he's actually a straight man, which is so funny. But it's like, I guess he's giving like, Stanley Tucci, like in that game. - Right. - Like, how are you not gay? I guess not. Okay. Like, it's very interesting. - At least we had Alan coming. - That's right. And Alan is so beautiful. - He's so beautiful. - He's so gorgeous. - I've never seen Alan be blonde like this. I've said, okay, anything's possible. - So striking. I mean, the whole episode is chock full of like celebrity cameos. - Yeah. - Yeah, like Heidi Klum shows up. Oh my god. - It's very exciting. - It's all like, people that I didn't see coming. And then the frame and I'm like, oh my god, hi. - So excited. - It's easier here right now. - Also Kevin Aquan. Kevin Aquan is in a, in the cameo in this. And he and I got to hang out like while they're setting up all of the fashion stuff. - Right. - He had just launched his like makeup line and he was starting to talk about product. And so he brought huge bags filled with like different products for me to try that were, you know, getting launched in his line. And so just two huge shopping bags full of them. And also all of his books that he had autographed to me. So I have. - The way you haven't said something yet that has received with anger. - So much jealousy and like, it sounds like a calm day outside. - It was really different because I was like, oh, bombarded. You know, I'd come into this world like so scared that I was gonna not have somebody sit with me at lunch and then I'm bombarded with gifts from these celebrities. So it was really, it was really nice. - Oh my god. - And he was really nice too because everybody was still friends then. - Right. - You had not had this. - There was hope in the air. - It was not the Kim Patrol. - Yeah. - Sarah Disgaparca Rift. - Right. - So every, like when I walked in the trailer, when I first got there, it was everybody in the chair. Oh Miranda wasn't there, Cynthia wasn't there that day, but everybody else in the chair. So Charlotte and, you know, Carrie and Samantha were in the chair sitting next to each other eating breakfast. - Stop. - And just gossiping. - And you're like, there's a summer camp. - And just talking and they were like so warm and welcoming to me. So there was an atmosphere of real like, this is a hit show. We're all friends. We're all friends in this adventure together doing this. There was a warmth there. That's why it's hard for me to even imagine the SJP and Kim Patrol fight, right? - Later. - Because there's so much fun going on in the pod 'cause we get so sad. (laughing) - It's a lot to take off. - It's a lot to take off even now. - Yeah. - Never ending fight. - It's really weird. I mean, I don't know the experience of being on a show that's so successful. - Yeah. - That's like films, that's like really kind of the way, I mean, and also re-examined for a year, like this show does. - No, like it's un, like there's no break. - What's so impactful to, even like it's a success to put the impact of this show is tremendous. - Yeah, and then the new show and everything, and then to not be able to amend a friendship that rift must have been so deep. - It must have been. - Like, wait, I don't even know, I don't even know, because I've never been in a fight with somebody that I was friends with that I could, if there was all that money behind it, I would find a way to, look girl, let's bury this hat. - Great. - Girl, come on, let's, you know, like, if there was like movies and like another TV show behind it, and I'm like, girl, come on, I was wrong. - Well, let's give a Moses and work it out on the remit. - Yeah, you would wanna work it out on the remit, 'cause Kim like says, like, you could not pay me to be anywhere I don't wanna be for an hour, and it's like, damn, okay, go off, girl, but whoa. - But yeah, like if you have such a part of like television history behind you with this, like why wouldn't you appease the fans, but you know, I don't know what it's like to be that successful, and I don't know what it's like to be that mad at someone. - Totally. - Would you try it out? - I guess I would like to know how it would feel to be that successful. - We'll come back in the ear and we'll all try it out. - Yeah, okay, perfect. - Yeah, 'cause it's like, we're not talking about, like, murder, we're not talking about, like-- - Unless we don't know-- - That's true. - The inside, like, maybe something happened. - That's true, we don't know. - There was death, there was this evil death. - There was death, right. - There was this evil death. - It's just weird, 'cause I think that, this show is so big in my mind, that you want everybody to be happy together with me friends and-- - It's hard, especially, I also have the discretion between their on-screen performance, where they are so close and immediately to separate after that, and here you talk about, until season four, and season five, it's when the fight famously happened, where it's like, they were still so close a year earlier, and how much something can change in a year. - Yeah. - And they have such fierce one-on-one walk talks, for they're eating a pretzel and going off at each other, and there's no way they would ever not be able to get through something. - Right, well, Samantha is the character that really knows Carrie, and they kinda break it down, so you could be real with me. Like, this is the thing, it's like they're the ones that are really tight, kinda Miranda and Charlotte are kind of off on their own side quests a lot, and in their own heads a lot, but for some reason, we always kinda look at the real friendship tie is actually between Samantha and Carrie, so the fact that the rift is there is just so odd. - Have you ever been in a girl group situation like this, like a close knickr before? I feel like it's something that's so, like because it's so, it's so, it's so, so great, 'cause it's sensationalized, it's like, oh, you have this really intimate group before, but I think it's hard to always, that's a hard thing to maintain, which is like three unique friendships that are so strong with other individuals. - It continually later and later in life. - Right, four is a lot to maintain. I've had a three, you know, I've had two, and you know, that has been hard because of triangulation 'cause that you almost always get into a triangulating thing, but four is hard because then you're actually reaching out for one more. - Right, and schedules. - Yeah, yeah. It's scheduling is very tough. - Don't add a fourth for a schedule. - We're like to make, to make brunch, like they always be able to have like a diner brunch is really unrealistic. - No, I'm shocked every time they got to the diner, and I'm like, these girls are organized as hell. - Yeah. - And they're always having wild nights. I'm like, how do they all make it? - Or you don't have a husband. - Well, true. - That's right. - That's other secret to it all. - Yeah. - Yes. - I mean, until, with Trey comes in, they're on the set. - Yeah, we do have Trey here. - We're in this episode, which I love Charlotte and Trey together. - Oh, really? - Right, I just think they physically look alike. So I like the Brunette to Brunette. - Totally. I love on blonde state. I love on Brunette state. - It just makes sense to me. Like, I just love the Brunette of it all, and like, there's just, they're so Brunette together. Of course, they don't have good time together, but just probably the important part of the relationship. - That's fine. - But I do, I always, I just love a Christian and Kyle. - Yeah, it's like, when you're bald, which we'll get too later, it's like, that's kind of, oh negative. Or it's like, you can end up with anyone, but it's like, no one can go with you. It's the hell of it all. - Right. - Oh god, they only have an oxydale and an oxydale. - Oh god. - It's all out there. It's all out there. Well, I love Christian and Kyle both separately. So I want them, I would say they would be together in real life. - Yeah. - They would be cute. - That would be cute. - It would be cute. - I love the thing about stuff like that. - Yeah. - It does make me happy. - It's adorable. - I did like Martin Short and Merrill Street. - I was like, I was like, I'm in the relationship. - I was like, something's healing the next year. - I know, I wish that would happen. - It will, it will, it will. It is. - It's so cute. - Yeah. - Howling coming in anyone. - He has a husband. - He does have a husband. - He has a gorgeous husband. - Oh, he does. I'm being crazy. - No. - It's really as if it has to go up and stuff. - Yeah. - I mean, you get to make iconic lines, carries with a photographer and she goes, back in a day before I could have, like, what would you do? - When she was broke in New York City, she's like, sometimes I would buy a vogue instead of dinner 'cause I felt like it's just fed me more. - It's true. - I was like, I have a t-shirt like that. - It's true though. Like, you know, that's the beauty of New York is that it can be really hard to live there and it can be really, really crushing. And it's not glamorous and it's not all like amazing, but the dream of it will keep you going. - Totally. And I mean, I think since moving to New York, I've met so many people who live such glamorous lives now and then I talk to them and it's like they're like, so I had six roommates, no job. I was dating the meanest person in the world. Like, everybody goes on this journey in New York where it's like, yeah, you start broke and so lost and then you like build something really cool. - They can be broken glamorous in New York. - That's true. - And I think it's not, like, unattainable anywhere else. - Yeah. - Yeah. - In New York, it's so easy. You can, like, you, the cheapest girls I know are paid like that, paid like. - Yeah. - They're working and they're doing a barista shift. And that's what I love. Like, they get the most interesting stories are ending up with the most creative people. They're doing just like, they're throwing beach parties in parking lots. You know, it's like, yes, that's because they're not a strap to the nine to five so they can have this creative spirit. - Yeah, and you're surviving on the fumes of the fantasy that New York kind of like really can escalate and also like emulate. Like, we, I think the city is so magical because it contains like so many hopes and dreams and possibilities. So that even if you're struggling, you can still get nourished by the ideas about where you are. - Yeah, I feel that, I feel that every day. - We're in LA. I'm like, God, I miss New York. (laughing) - Well, let's jump into Miranda's plot line. So do we, first of all, think that crunch fitness is like endorsing this episode? Like, what is the deal? I was like, okay, Crunch, should I join Crunch? That guy is so hot. It's like almost distracting. I love that Miranda's like, he thinks I'm sexy. Usually I attract men with my personality and then carries on the phone like, really? (laughing) - That got me. - But it is interesting, like whenever you're like, kind of flirted with by a super hot person, like, that is outside of the context that you usually have sexual energy with people. Like, it's really shocking. Like, a Jimbo thinks you're hot. It's like, oh my God, that's so weird. - Totally, especially when she's like, my Heather Gray shirt covered in sweat is like the worst version of myself. What do you mean you're into it? - Yeah, it's so funny. But it's like, I get that. Like, I'm like, oh wow, it's so weird to just sort of, when your sexuality is acknowledged by somebody you didn't think would perceive it. - Yeah. - Cool. - Yeah, this one this, every time this happens to me, I'm like, it does like, it puts me into a little bit light psychosis first off. I didn't second off it. They always sort of open my like six months later. (laughing) - Right, right, right. - I'm just gonna see this guy do comedy. - My friend counted her on dates. He's like, so do you do like, list or ball? I was like, oh, it's so fun. - Through all my inside or secrets. To open my ex and brooklet. - That's a fun job. (laughing) - But they, so they go on a date and Miranda's like, I just don't understand what you see in me. And then finally, she's like, okay, I'm gonna own this. I love my life. I love my friends. I love my job. And he's like, okay, now I have to. - Well, it's a contradiction. I think, anytime you date someone, you're like, oh, I attracted them with these specific attributes myself. And sometimes it is you go and like, oh, it's because my sex appeal, but you're like, oh, I'm comical. I'm interesting. - Right. - I mean, so when it's telling you something, it's in direct contrast to what you believe, attracted them in the first place, it's such emotional dissonance for the person that every time, like I laugh like Miranda does when someone says something like I'm like sexy, like I'm not sexy, I'm cute at times. Where it's like, yeah, of course, I empathize with Miranda so heavily in this scene because it's hard to have, it's hard to believe someone when you don't believe that about yourself. - Yeah, and also she's somebody, like the character just is not sexuality forward, like Samantha. Samantha is sexuality forward always. And Miranda is like, sexualized way behind. And her sort of lists of like what she perceives herself and what she projects herself. So so different. It is. And then if we keep like fast forwarding, the first time he like finds her attractive, like talks to her, she's like completely out of breath, can't say a word. And then we cut to their first date and she's like, sorry, I didn't speak at all this day. He's like, oh, I just said, having fun. He's like, that's all you said all night. And then the time she starts speaking up for herself in the last scene, you guys, I really hate you now. Also, a women talk, that's actually what was our hate numb, like, that's what you didn't want. You thought that you were going to get somebody that was like, not going to speak. Well, it is kind of the famous thing of like a girl, a date and ugly guy. And then his ego will get huge from it. And then he'll be like, I could do better than you and like, leave that girl. And she's like, I invented you. Yeah, exactly. It's like that you've created a monster. Yeah. That's the worst. No. You're like, I accidentally did a Frankenstein situation. No, don't give him that like power. It's just they don't, you know, they already have male privilege. They already have male privilege, me and my diary. Don't compliment them. No. So let's hop over to Charlotte. What's she dealing with this episode? Too much. Too much. She a vaginist. She a vaginist. Vaginist, vaginist. Which I have too. So I get a vaginist. Oh, really? You just can't like, it just you tighten it up and you're just like, it's like a pelvic floor is like too tight. It's like when you do kegels too much and then it gets locked. Right. Okay. Yeah. All the thus girls on sub stack habit. Yeah. If you're a good writer, you probably have vaginist. Cause you're just like, ugh. Yeah. You're just, you're supposed to just go, no. Yeah. I don't think so. Like, it's very like. Ow. Yeah, I get it. Now. I think I would be upset if my gynecologist was like, so you have a depressed vagina. Like, she's like, no, I'm so happy. Like, I love my life. And she's like, well, don't believe it. I got depressed eyebrows. It's an anxiety induced thing as well. It's also like, it's, it can be part of menopause, you know, for me, it's menopausal. But it's also, it can be like psychological because it could be as a, because of trauma. Right. You know, that your body does not feel safe to open up. Right. And your body's like very cautious and won't let anything in. Yeah. So, you know, it's all that is very like psychological too. So if it happens to somebody like was, was happening to Charlotte, it's like totally like psychological at that point. Right. Yeah, though I must with my head. Yeah. I love her keeping a diary for her vagina. Yeah. It's important to do. It's important, please. You should. Everybody should. It's so funny when Carrie is like, I think he likes me like her pretending she's in the hospital. Yeah. And then Charlotte's also setting up Stanford in this episode, kind of in a failed way, unfortunately, with Anthony. Now Anthony is hot, but he is stressed. Well, he's a nice little package because he has a good set of arms and a nice ass. Right. Right. Things always go wrong when you set up your gay friends. No, you can't do that. You can't do that. You have to let them find it on their own. It's just not a good, it's never a good idea. And you set up. I, I haven't because I don't want, you know, like I know better, I know better because they, I mean, I, because I always assess wrong, right, like levels of like attraction and levels of attractiveness wrong. Like it's like, there's no way that we can successfully determine what gay men want from each other, while not being in a gay male body. Totally. Yeah, my friend recently, I think she helps up this gay couple. And during their breakup, they invited her over to like talk it through with them. It's too many levels. You started like co-meaning and like co-depenance. Right. You can't do it. Yeah, you can't do it. No. Sometimes my friends will be like, who do you think I'd be good with in any name I ever recommend? I've done ruined the whole night. Like ew, really? Really? Really? Not so mean. No. I think for gay men, when you tell someone they, they will be good couple of the others. It's like the equivalent of saying you look like someone. That's right. That's right. Which you never want to ever do. You don't want to do. You know who you look like? No, don't say it. Don't say it. Like, you know who you look like? Don't know. It's never going to be right. It's never going to be flattering. It's the worst thing anybody can do. I mean, I don't have time. They're the hot, I'm naming the hottest person ever and then I say it to the person and they're like, oh. It happens in this episode too. Yeah. Who is the actor that Charlotte tells Anthony that Stanford looks like? I have it on Google. It doesn't seem doesn't matter. Well, you know what, whatever. Stanford's upset. He's like, I just got rejected by somebody. I didn't even like. Yeah. That's the worst feeling. Yeah. You're just sitting hanging out with your friends and somebody's like, I don't want to date you. It's like, oh, okay. Just like a weird free floating rejection when you didn't have any investment in it. It's like it's just the worst. No, literally. It is like when Suni Stoney Brook was said, it's like, it's not your turn here. And it's like, you were my safety. Yeah. So exciting. Let's take a girl down. I think it reminds me of her safety school. No. School is with 90% acceptance rate and you kick it. You're like in a 10%. They don't want it. The worst. The worst. It breaks you in half. Yeah. It breaks you in half for that day. But a lot of rejection happens this episode. I mean, Samantha is so excited about her nude photo shoot because she's like, I really want to just save proof when my tits are in my shoes or whatever. She's like, I want to have this as a memory. We're allowed to take photos of her seventh grade yearbook. Why can't we do this? Right. And I love that. I wish her friends were more supportive. They're kind of being judgy. I know. It's like the weird time and like the sort of Y2K ideas about feminism and sexuality and body positivity. Still, I think that held hold on like that that they can't be excited for her. Like I think if this sort of happened now to reframe it in the way that we want to look at body positivity and that kind of idea now. Yeah. All for it. No, literally they'd be cheering. Yeah. Can we come? Yeah. I would be excited for her. I mean, I get it, you know, like I think it's really important. I think that's also why Madonna actually did the sex book in 1992. She said that my body's never going to look this good and I have to make sure to document it. Yeah. I think it's good what Samantha's doing. I do love that this is out of time when like she's getting proof sent and she has to go to the frame store like now it'll be like on Dropbox. Yeah. And it's just like wouldn't be as glamorous but she's like doing a whole thing. I love and Tony hails shows up and I'm like that's the guy from B.E. Yeah. I'm like Gary, what are you doing here? So great. Yeah. And that was such a funny scene and I love that she just goes like full frontal and they're like you don't want to warm up or anything and she's like no. I'm so sad. It's the concept of warming up for your nudes. Yeah. It's so funny. It's so mean when Charlotte like uses the what is it? Her gloss is like the monocle, the magnifier and is like what the hell? This isn't very artsy Samantha and then Samantha. What is so funny is like in the first season Charlotte gets like her entire vagina painted by some like famous artist. So it's like we've all seen her vagina but then in this episode she's like I've never looked at the stuff. It's a watercolor. Right. It's a watercolor. Yeah. Different media. Yeah. I guess that's true. I do love Samantha being like I got a compact run to the diner bathroom girl check it out but no, it's good that I love the frame at the end where it's just like Charlotte cuts down. Doesn't she faint or something? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's so funny. She falls over. Yeah. Well, I mean, there still is a culture people not. I've seen their private parts. I know. Yeah. Because it's like your pussy is like under. Yeah. And unless you really have to like look for it, you would have to really scout it out. Yeah. Because it's like down under. Like it's a very, it's, it's positioned where you're not, I mean, you have to either stand on a mirror or be like, have your legs up looking in a mirror. You would have to make a choice. Yeah. Like I got to look. You need to go to a fun house. Yeah. It's so insane. To really see it because it's or take a picture. It's hard to take a picture of your pussy too. Yeah. And then the lighting. It's the shadow. It's weird. Yeah. I don't have a vagina, unfortunately, but it's, I collected it for the time of seeing your own butthole. It's like, I almost fainted as well. Yeah. I think it's even harder to see your butthole. That's a lot of angles. That's a really hard, you really have to have somebody else. You need to get a crown to get back there. It's very hard to see your own butthole. Like, I think that's when you need the timer. Just check it. You really need the five. I need to come down and come down from town because I don't know. I don't think five is going to cut it. I do video and then you screenshot. Oh, that's better. Is that what you're like? It doesn't matter what thing you call. Okay. My asshole always has a glare. It's real shiny. That's amazing. It's real shiny and sticky so it's always a glare. Apple needs to figure some stuff out for us. Yeah. For the asshole, photos like, yeah, the glare, I need a bounce board. Right. I need, you know, I need a blotting paper. I mean, that's what I really need is some blotting paper. A blotting paper bounce board, a diffuser. I have to make three. I want a watercolor of it. Just like beautiful. Well, you would need some pen strokes or like pencil to make the lines. Oh, not mine. Oh, really? It's like smooth. It's like a forever circle. Beautiful. I get both talks there. Actually. Beautiful. I know. Actually, I was going to invest in myself in my 20s. Charlotte's not the only one that falls this episode. Carrie gets drunk. Well, first she has her whole freak out. Honestly, you being like, I don't have time to deal with this like whatever She is being so drama using fuck at is when it's like the shot her to run the world Yes, every line you say I'm like Did you add live that or was that kind of I mean it was sort of written of that So so the way that that person talks that person is a very legendary like potty mouth and So Michael was like, okay, you can just like run free and just do whatever But this is in the line and she's like a real like crass person so she talks this way and she's under a lot of pressure So she's going to like say fuck every word and so that's part of it But I think a lot of it was written in to Wait, I don't know I'm just reading into this but this would it's this runway show based off Naomi Campbell's Disaster relief so I don't know when she's wearing the top. I think those are the Vivian West was the 12 inch heels I don't I mean, I think yes, probably because Naomi Campbell used to have these like disaster relief shows Where she'd invite every designer and it all walked down to runway and they'd raise money for whatever to say like Haiti and Or yeah, I don't know if it's a direct historic direct recreation Probably safe to say it's inspired So definitely, but it's also anybody's fear if you're not a runway model that you're like going to be a runway model for a second Of course, you're like I'm gonna fall. No, of course All the runway. Yeah, because look she made she made a moment out of it. Yeah, of course she did It is so funny that she's like so scared and so nervous, but then when it comes to the shoes She's like I'm locked in. Yeah, like she's like that's the least of my words. She had to help it on But she's like racing above it. She's risen above like the humiliation and yeah, and she's just so cute with her like Like I mean also just scary to wear what she was wearing. She's like wearing like panties. No literally It's so cute. She's just like gets up and she's like what her like little legs and her little heels. It's like so cute Yeah, I'm honestly inspired and I'm like you're being radical Carrie. Yeah, you're changing life's by doing this Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you trust every hair makeup artist that you come about Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean that the like like caliber of people that I've been able to work with This is like so extraordinary. Yeah, so yeah for sure. I mean I work with people like when I was much younger Who didn't have as much experience, but they were still able to do a good job You know, I've also worked with a lot of people who did not know how to do Asian faces And so that was like in the very beginning. It was like really hard because they were just sort of didn't know what to do but um Nowadays, it's like yeah, I work with really amazing artists and I've never had a A negative experience not not recently. I also feel like the caliber of hair makeup and the artist in the spaces is Exponential the group we've had. Yeah, it's explosive Yeah, I mean, I'm always amazed by how many girls are running around town with like a giant bag full of oh my god It's a cutie song I've ever seen She wants to say hi. Oh, she wants to say hi But you know like the caliber of like people who also have grown up with like Make a education like on YouTube. I mean every girl in the West Village has a master's degree in like contouring and blush Yeah, I'm always watching videos and I'm like I don't have the skill set. It's so amazing It's so amazing. We like to what people can just do from like watching YouTube videos. Yeah, you know So it's it's really remarkable like people have grown up with the you know technique and understanding and the legendary artistry of like Pat McGrath and Lisa Eldridge and you know all these middle schoolers now are incredible I make it like my sister's 14 and it's like how can you do a liquid winged eyeliner that good? So back in my day, we all look busted as well So amazing what are people doing like a cut crease yeah literally you need an awkward phase No, I think they don't have them anymore. I know they've gone through to awkward phase They actually got rid of tween and now you just go from child to Kim Kardashian Like go on stop Style to get brought out here Wait, so what was it like the day of shooting the runway show specifically so we were all in this big Like like right park like space, you know, I think it wasn't Brian park. It was like it wasn't in Brian park But it was like that so it was like just to sort of emulate that and It was really I mean like it was really like it I mean it was like just look like it was felt like it was like oh we're here you know and So you know say they packed it all sort of with extras, but everybody just looked gorgeous and there was like a lot of like runway models Like actual runway models there. Maybe people you wouldn't know no their names, but you knew their faces and I remember being backstage with These like girls that were just so beautiful that you just like they did not seem human crazy But yeah, I was there is getting to hang out with Kevin Aquan and I didn't get to meet Heidi Klum because she was sort of on the other side So I didn't get to actually talk to her which I always say once on the other side of Heidi Klum Yeah, you never get to actually interface But she's also an crazy costume But there was a lot of like um Bagels that were getting really hard in the air conditioning You know, nobody was eating any of the carbohydrates or all of the bagels got super hard And all of like the cream cheese and everything just got like a bunch of fruit flies and everything around them Like not touched nobody touched any of the food. Oh good. Yeah, it's awesome Departments like we fucked up. They don't like nobody ate anything. I don't need to eat anything But it was like really I mean it was just glamorous. It was like being at an actual show I've only been to a couple of fashion shows in my life like I I've been to a Mu mu in 1994 and I was at um, oh wow, that's like one of the first meme issues. Yeah, it was like really Exciting a mu mu that was a good one. It was like Very exciting. That was at Brent Park. That was really cool. And then I was at the AP LA Calvin Klein show that Happened at the Hollywood Bowl in the 90s here supposedly the one that Caroline Bessette curated So I was at that one that's history. So those those are the only real faster We have to go do I don't think we don't really have the Mercedes 10s anymore. No, we've lost them now Everyone does like in a church. Yeah, the one fashion show we went to was like a dog With a zero waistband. Rachel up Antonov's dog show, which was so fun. It's like all comedian models She's asked me to do it that do that with it. I want it. I was never in New York But hopefully one day I'll get to eat it was a ball. Oh, you're so good at that. I would love to really kill at that I would really love she would be perfect. Yeah, but I know Sandra Bernhardt did it and yeah Fleming did it and donate your dog after I went to another day where it was the same days of MacGala But it's and but all the runway Where Amazon workers as far as priest does and you're like shoving it to Jeff Bezos. That's great It was really fun. That's really cool. I love that. It was it was so magical There's all independent designers and there's a lot of identical twins that work at the Amazon warehouse as I learned that Really? Yeah, you will be surprised by how many identical twins they got over there. Oh, that's interesting I love seeing a dull identical twins. I'm like, oh my god. I didn't even know they did that That's interesting. They made it that long. Yeah, I know Well, let's cut to our second break and we'll make it back. You're gonna find out what girl I feel like in the 20 tens the word synergy was thrown around a lot I would like to bring it back to your attention folks Energy is the interaction or cooperation of two or more entities to produce a combined effect Greater than the sum of their separate parts Now why am I saying all this because you guys I have to tell you about monarch. It's literally changed my life Finally, it's a finance app that like lets you combine like all your expensive from like different banks and shows you everything in like one So you can track everything accounts investments savings goals and spending before monarch I had no idea. 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I'm all about that right your own money story with monarch Use code girls rewatch at monarch calm to get your first year of monarch or half off at just $50 That's 50 percent off your first year at monarch calm with code girls rewatch And you know what like basically if you're only paying $50 for a year But then monarch is helping you learn how to save hundreds and hundreds of dollars It's literally you're gonna make money. So it's it's really worth the investment guys And we're back from the break mark right we have a really important question ask you Girl what girl are you Girl, I think if we're talking about this world. I think I actually Emma Samantha with the Miranda rising - Yes. - And one of my houses, like my 10,000 carries, like it's very like, I really identify with Samantha, but I'm also very Miranda. So it's like a geeky slut. - Totally. - But thoughtful and like inquisitive. - I could see that. - And then what house does the 10th house control? - I think finance. - Finance and romance. - Okay, I know a carry in that. - Can you both have one? - Yeah. - There's a lot. (laughing) - It's like what's coming in. - Like the dick or the dollar. - Right. - What's coming in. - And can you do both? - I think you could do a bit about it. - Okay. - You don't feel like a Charlotte even a little bit. - I don't really feel like a Charlotte and even a little bit because I think of Charlotte as being very, very status oriented, and she's also very familial oriented, and she's all about establishment. Whatever is establishment, whether that's family or money, it's about old money. It's about kind of like, it's the Hamptons. - She's looking for new structures and saying, I like these structures. - Yeah, yeah. - It's like Ralph Lauren. - Yeah. - It's like Tom Brown. - Totally. - It's like very much, I want the heritage brands. I want the heritage lifestyle. - Yeah. - I want what's already been established as classic and cheek, and I want these structures of family. She believes in establishment and structure, and I feel like I really reject that. I like all about new money, I'm all about Indy, and new ideas, different ways of coupling, different ways of sex. So I think that, yeah, I'm very opposite that. - I will say you guys are facial actresses in the same way. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yes. - This whole episode I was going, "Oh, I'm never going to be a pro-dampada." - Yeah. - I love that. Amelia, what girl are you this week? - So I am absolutely Carrie Bradshaw this episode because I fall constantly, and I always own it. I always pop right back up and keep going, and I'm like, guys, it's okay. I have like seven scars on my knees at all times. - Oh no. (laughing) - But yeah, if I had a glass of champagne and I was in that little outfit, I mean, we did a photo shoot for this podcast, era. - For fun. - Yeah, and I wore Carrie's exact outfit, and it's just a photo of me falling. I'm like, this is my brand identity. - That's so cute. - I love it. - What about you, Evan? - I feel like Ed Koch, 'cause sometimes I'm like, I'm a Republican set in art. - Totally totally totally. - I thought you were Anthony when you're on the phone, and you're like, "I'm looking for a deal for my mom." (laughing) - That's so nice. - That's so awesome. - Yeah. - I have to call her four times a day. Well, I don't have to, but we do. - Yeah, that's nice. - She needs it, I need it too. - Did you call her for Father's Day? - I did. (laughing) - We have one more segment of a podcast. - This is where we get carried away. - Well, don't be a bitch. - I'm not being a bitch, I'm just being myself. - What are you getting carried away with this week, Margaret? - Oh, I'm watching really, I'm on this gross thing on YouTube, where I keep watching documentaries. - The platform. - Yeah, just the platform, I love the platform. But I love on YouTube, you can watch things that haven't been on TV for 20 years. - Right. - And it's so crazy. So I'm really into Pete Burns. He Burns was the singer of Dead or Alive. And then he got a lot of fame being on reality television in Britain later on in the Y2K era. Like Y2K reality TV was sort of like he dominated that. And he was getting a lot of plastic surgery. So he'd like 300 procedures. - Oh my God. - So he looked very different. And I'm really kind of obsessed with him. He died like not that long ago, but it's sort of from a little bit of complications from plastic surgeries and some other where maybe drug stuff, which is kind of goes hand in hand with plastic surgery too, but he's a really fascinating person. And he looks trans, but he's not. He's still identified as a man, but he looks like, I guess a combination of Lisa Rina and detox. Like he works like one of the housewives and a drag legend. - Yeah. - Like he's just got so much sort of artifice. - Yeah. - But it's still really gorgeous. - But it's like a YouTube documentary. What is it? - There's a bunch of YouTube. There's like one thing was one show about, it's like a British reality show about, you're gonna be Pete's assistant. So he's about him hiring an assistant and it's like a reality competition show. It's kind of VH1 coded of like a flavor of love or like something like that. It's like that, but it's in Britain. - But I'm gonna be his personal assistant and it's him giving all these like people challenges of what to do to become this. - A person has to have a show like this. - Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's like a Paris Hilton show like that. - Oh. - We like getting to find out. - Yeah. - I had there so much lost media that only lives on YouTube. - So much lost media that just lives, but like a lot of like weird like reality stuff that I'm like, why is this show so great? I love it. - Well, it's only place that's searchable too 'cause it's like, people are importing the TikTok but it's like, you can't look that stuff up. - Yeah. - I know. I always see that we're like 50% of all SEO now it's happening on Instagram or Twitter. I'm like, I've never been able to search up something correctly and also find the video I'm looking for. - Right. - Yeah, it's hard. - Piss me off. - Piss me off. - Piss me off. - What are you getting carried away with up in? - I really think we should bring back normal people to the runway. There's nothing to hide. - Yeah. - I want to see Fran down the runway again. - Totally. - Probably had a take on it too. (laughing) Yeah, there's something, it's, I mean clothing is worn by the everyday person, why not? At the seat on their bodies as well. - Totally. - I think we're losing that more. We were there. - We actually had that for like late 20 times and now we're back to like, no model. It should be the model. - I will say the only place doing this right now for some reason is Miami Beats Film Week. - Really? - If you can even imagine this one where we get Miami Beats is the only place bringing every kind, every kind of crew to person to the runway. - Totally. - That's cool. - And like American Eagle. (laughing) - I am getting carried away with LA coffee culture. I am having the time of my life this week in LA. New York has amazing coffee totally, but it doesn't have the specific things that LA has and the experience of like getting like some high teen to like deliver your coffee to you. - Oh yeah. - I've tried Alfred. I've tried intelligentsia. I am having so much fun. - Yeah. - It tastes different here. I'm loving it and every place I've been to so far has at least like five nut options. Which I'm feeling just, I feel like I belong here. - I love it. - Yeah. - It's so nice. We need diversity in coffee. - We do. - Bring it back. - What's that new Asian brand? - Oh, the one where you have to order on the app. I try to pick up like a quick-- - Have you heard of this brand Larkins, Larkies? - Oh no, I don't know. - They release, it's like sorry. They release like a hundred new flavors every single month and every coffee's three dollars. - But you walk into the store and you're like, can I grab a quick Americano? And they're like, so you're gonna have to download the app and make an account to order. And I'm like, by your right here, I'll give you three dollars, just make it. And they're like, no, babe. (laughing) - Me 7 a.m. in a rush, downloading the entire app. I did get an amazing deal though. I discounted from the app, so it's worth it. - That's good, yeah. - Gosh, yeah. - Yeah. - And so happy for you Amelia. - Thank you. - Not ever get a discount on that. (laughing) - Margaret, thank you so much. Where can people see you? - And people can come see my tour, Chola Garkey. It's everywhere. And people can go to MargaretShow.com. - It's that easy. - It's that easy. - Yes. - And to get tickets. - Amazing. Oh my God. Do you have a little bit like a tease of like a theme that you're-- - Well, I hate the Trump administration and I want to ask them. So it's basically like a my nation. Like I'm trying to make a show that's like my nation. If I had a nation, it's my country. - What'd you do? - This is like, yeah, this is like my nation. - Oh my God. - So you're coming into like, it's giving my, you know, yeah, the Iron Lady of Glendale. - I love it. - Well, everybody get tickets now. - The Iron Lady of Glendale. (laughing) - I look so funny. - It's so amazing chatting with you. This is literally gonna get-- - Go my journey. - Maybe like, oh my God, I can't believe this happens. - It's the best I have ever. Well, thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Girls Rewatch. 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