Sex and the City S2E13: “Games People Play” with Zach Noe Towers

i want to help no they don't want to help they want to tell you how to do something they want to like explain why you're inferior yes and i'm down for that welcome back to girls we watch a podcast about girls tv and girls on tv my name is amelia retaller and i'm evan lazarus and joining us on the pod today we are so fucking lucky keep your drums rolling for zach noe towers hi your shoes are so cute thank you first note they are amazing thank god you're here you're so la because you're blonde i am blonde nobody does that anymore is it is blonde over we have one when was it we have one friend that's blonde i'm kidding i will say in a time when it is so embarrassing to be a white person to be a blonde white person is like wow i'm original recipe like bad to be an adult blonde man it's like no one's thought of that and long hair i should be tried as an adult in court not sure for what yet not sure for what i for sure deserve jail yeah in some way i think i would do good there in jail yeah because i can french braid is that all there is to women's prison being able to french braid you have to offer something and i'd be happy to braid anyone's hair i i unfortunately think i would probably be like raped to death but uh but until that point it might be it might be a hoot and a holler we're all licking through the cafeteria it's a skill based economy even in there it's a good gig economy it's like okay i roll cigarettes on mondays i take loads on tuesdays toilet wine thursdays oh i did once i knew a girl who made toilet wine in prison and she said it's not so bad well in prison i any alcohol would probably be delicious yeah i would really if i could i would get on hard drugs in prison no of course to just surpass the time or i'd get my doctorate or yeah i'd get really into reading sometimes i'm like oh my god i could finally read every chapter book i've been meaning to get my hands on as soon as i get locked up for like two to seven years what's the first book you would get into i'd probably finally read infinite jest oh really that person's not long then you end up killing yourself yeah i think we'd all read fame sick by lena dunham i just reread it over and over well i of course listen to it because the sound of her voice is oh my god massively audio books in prison i know we i'm like actually i don't want to be locked up like i have to listen i'm afraid to quote this now but i think she follows me on instagram oh my god which was when it happened it was like one of those things where i almost wanted to like print and frame it and put it like one of those on my front door centerpiece of the home yeah yeah because obviously i adore everything she does you get a notification so powerful oh like um wait uh princess nokia yeah commented on a silly little video recently and i was like okay i'm relevant i'm relevant we love that we love that she was on the pod and she came on and she was like she released her she announced her album on this podcast and um and then she never released the album no it's out right now natalie cut it i know keep it in natalie yeah she's iconic she's amazing she's always like dropping her label and finding a new gay guy to go to a club with good she's so fun and very autistic like in an amazing way i find most variations of autism are actually quite commendable and fun to be around god forbid you have a skill you know what i mean right they would kill in a school-based economy okay i'm hearing put all autistic people in prison from the early days or burning man or burning man that was pre-pod we were talking about burning man pre-pod can we just talk about burning man the whole time yeah for sure okay because jenna told me no she told me that she went with her boyfriend's family who had an rv and they were all doing molly but it was no problem but they got stuck there longer than they should have but that's okay because they found themselves yeah you will find yourself you'll lose yourself you're finding yourself you'll lose yourself well the rv has uh has navigation now yeah but i think maybe desert also weather like one year i went twice and one year there were a bunch of it rained a bunch so every car got like stuck coming in in like the wet wet earth it was rain the mud yeah couldn't get out crazy stranded yeah and then like hours pass or days pass and like you're just stuck but of all places it is a good place to be stuck because like it's like a trade economy where people like gift food or like gift like whatever jewelry something they trade so you come with enough to survive and then you also get like there will be camp doing like bologna sandwich fried bologna sandwiches and shots of whiskey tuesday from 10 to noon so you go there for that and like you dance and you do that there'll be a champagne um sunrise dance party where you go and they give you a bottle of champagne and you're like dancing and drinking champagne this industry as well i've got to eat this all your soul for something all right the spotify studio works the same way you don't want to see what i have to do good to bonnie this morning girl um today we are talking about sex in the city season 2 episode 13 games people play yeah and finally we've gotten like two and a half seasons in they haven't talked about the games we play they were edging you with games yeah like they've been playing games with not calling it that we haven't talked about the games we've played yet yeah call a spade a spade i just learned that phrase i've been trying to use it oh really wait do you guys know the phrase the lion's share yeah i thought it was the lion's shed nope nope maybe that's a different thing um i've just been talking to young people and they like don't know what the lion's share means can you use the lion's share in a sentence you can actually do it in a burning man sentence pretty easily the the well or the pizza got here but all the straight guys took the lion's share of it oh and lions eat so much the biggest portion yeah it's like they got the lion the biggest portion okay so we're going to go to the lion's share and we're like oh see i thought when a lion catches something and it brings it back to his family usually the male lion eats the vast majority of the meal and then the children and the female get much it's like reverse bath water where the dad takes the bath last yeah but to me the lion's shed wait i can't believe i said yes before i heard the whole yeah it's not that but what did you think lion's shed was like so to me if i had to use it in the sentence it'd be like oh that girl got moved to the lion's shed where it's like she's a fighter she's fiery we gotta lock her up maybe this is a phrase and we just don't i don't know it or we don't know maybe lion's share is completely made up but i want to respect your culture thank you wait people don't know lion's share yeah i well this is unfortunately about getting older too the first person the function was like what does that mean and i was like what do you mean what does it mean and then i went around asking a bunch of other young people at the party if they knew so i it became like the thing my thing at the party where i was like asking it's so fun the youngest looking people if they knew what it meant it's i love becoming a census girl at a party where i'm like i have a clipboard and we're gonna build a bar graph mission accomplished yeah well it's fun because people love a question because otherwise you're gonna ask them how are you today and they don't want that my question in l.a the whole time i've been here yeah finding out people ask if they and i just asked a producer of this this in the other room he's gonna be like i thought i was fucking special i feel bad in new york i always ask people where they went to college but now i'm asking here do you ask did you go to college first or do you ask where did you go to college first um i asked did you go to college yeah i think it's nicer like and he was saying i was actually rude oh really we're now oh he's and you're like you don't seem like you went to for the record you can go to college for anything anywhere so it does not really mean smart to me and some of the stupidest people oh my god truly hello i would also much rather be asked like a deeply unsettling question yeah one where you're like i don't have my like go-to answer for this totally you got to come up with it on the spot or one of those like if you had to die in like an animal attack what animal would you have attack you or kary serratus being like so would you just say kary serratus yes that too the lion's gate um kary's therapist asking her oh so every relationship you're in you're there still oh yeah you're the common you're the common great way to bring in the episode you really just reigned us in and you said let's talk about this fucking episode the lion shed the whole episode i couldn't i couldn't listen to that because you said lion's gate and i was like wait a third lion's gate is a production company right the lion's mane the lion's mane no i'm just a natural blog because adding words on lion um okay i quick summary of the episode they're answering the question do you have to play games for a relationship to work carrie's struggling to get over big and all her friends are like girls shut up go see a shrink and then samantha's dating a nicks fan and she's like i only get to have sex if the nicks win oh my god she would have been pounded to death recently she would have been pounded into smithereens literally she would be lion's meat um and then miranda's playing peekaboo with the guy across the way from her apartment iconic and charlotte doesn't really have a story this week charlotte was not in a frame of this this episode. She was in the beginning when it was like, please shut up. I'm like, Kristen Davis asked for the week off. She doesn't have my favorite line of the episode, though. What'd she say? Where they're talking about therapy and she goes, no, growing up, my parents said you could do any mental hurl, you just replace with physical exercise. Oh, yeah, that's where we're so good at. And that's where we're also good at tennis. And I'm like, that actually makes a lot of sense to me. For sure. I mean, it's the waspiest way to deal with conflict. Yeah. If you're from Connecticut, like, what else would you do? Are you from Connecticut? No, but I like to think I am. She's been twice. You identify as being from Connecticut. Mainly because when I was little, all I did was rewatch Gilmore Girls over and over and over until I was an adult. The place shot in Burbank. I don't think we could have a better guest for this episode, honestly. Really? Because I play games? Yeah, I think you know about people playing games. You know. I trust you so much about it. Yeah, what's your life like? Is it game filled? What's my life like? What a deep question. Well, let's build. We'll get through the intro if we have to, and then we'll get to the games of it all. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to. We open up on a gorgeous montage of Carrie hanging out with each of her friends individually, being like, Big is like so stupid, and I'm awesome, and I'm so fucking mature, and my life is perfect, and all the friends. Let's talk about the sparkle of it all. The sparkle? Where she keeps going like, well, I had the pizzazz in a relationship. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When she's like, I brought the it factor. The it factor. And we all do feel that way in a relationship. We're like, I was a fun one, so why would I ever have to do anything like emotional, carry emotional weight? Sure. Be the intelligent. And, you know, again, this is my 14th podcast of the week, so I. Wait, at this point, though, because you guys have been watching the series, I assume more recently, do we agree with her in this? I absolutely. Well, this is what. I mean, anyone. Oh, do you agree? Oh, no, no. That she's like the. Okay, okay. I think we do agree. I do think women always bring the it factor, though. I do think Big's a fucking boring loser, so in that way. For sure. But. Yeah. Their relationship had problems because of both of them. Wait, did you just say it takes two to tango? Yeah, literally. Sam! It takes two to tango. I'll fucking say it. I'll fucking go there. I'm not afraid. But, yeah, so her friends then decide to have a little intervention for her, and they're like, bitch, you gotta see a shrink. Everybody in Manhattan sees a shrink. My shrink has a shrink. And it's like, okay. That's such a good line. I've been dying for Carrie to go to therapy. I do love the conversation about mental health awareness that is the 2000s because so much of the 2010s and 2020s have been, like, a very specific era of mental health. Oh, sponsored by BetterHelp. Literally. And for them to not have BetterHelp. You listen to the pod. Oh, amazing. I am, like, every time I get drunk, I'm like, my parents are bad at communicating because they didn't know about BetterHelp. And that's not their fault. They just, they didn't have it back then. They had to write fucking letters to each other. I'm like, well, ZocDoc didn't exist. So how would they even find them? ZocDoc. What a pull. But she goes to therapy and she's very, like, anti-therapy. She's like, this is silly. And mind you, she's going to the coolest therapist. She's going to Ellen Greenfield, Dr. G, Gwyneth Paltrow's therapist. Wow. Again, one of my favorite lines. She goes, wait, what does Gwyneth Paltrow have to go to therapy for? And then Sanford goes, oh, she suffers from high self-esteem. That is actually a great line. She suffers from high self-esteem. High self-esteem is so fucking funny. I do think when you have high self-esteem, it can really hurt you because you're confused when people react a certain way to you. Yeah. This bends my reality in a strange way. When a friend goes through a breakup, the emotional toll can take out on your closest friends. It does almost feel like you're almost going through a breakup yourself because if you do care for this individual, you want to, of course, be supportive. Yeah. Why? But you're not the one dictating the rules of how they can process emotions. You can only be there as support. So you've processed, like the breakup, of course, we're all feeling negative about it, but you've processed it, like, of course, months before your friend ever will. Totally. And you're just constantly being left in that baggage. Not to dox our friend, but our friend went through a breakup and her friend struggled the most with it. It was a hard year for her friend. Wait, oh, because of the way that she was unloading on this person? Or because the friend wanted them to be together? The friend was just like, I want you to be happy and over this. Oh. Yeah, my sister had a rough go of it with a guy and the shockwaves are still, like, present and all you want as a loved one is to be like, let me body swap. Like, let me let me, like, in there, let me like, move things around. No one's ever pitched that, actually. All you want to do is body swap. Yeah. That's so sweet. Are you, is it older or younger? Younger sister. Oh, then you're like, yeah, let me go help her. Big brother, yeah, for sure. It would be interesting if we could body swap to break up with our friend's ex. Oh my god, yeah, because you could say the perfect thing. Yes, and you just know how to cut him down. Oh my god. And be, like, totally, like, removed. Yeah, we, that's a movie. That's something. Elon, could you get on that? We dropped in here, we drove by the Tesla Diner. You drove by it? Yeah. Don't go to it. Obviously. For once, we've gotten used to the Capital One Cafe, sure, but the Tesla Diner, it's just It's, um, it is, like, dystopian. It's like, did you guys ever see, like, Back to the Future? Yeah. Where they, anyway, it's like a really. A musical? um no not no the movie unfortunately the movie but like the future is run by like a trumpian type guy and it's very like yeah like tesla diner vibes so many things that happened today i'm like well this was a line on 30 rock yes yes oh yeah it's really interesting i mean just uh bring the conversation together my friend recently was going through end of a situation ship and at the same time she was doing a beta program for this ai company where she wears a ring and she can talk to the ring like friend but it talks to her back in her own voice and that's how she's processing her breakup because she can't bring it to her friends anymore they've asked her to stop wait this is real yeah so right now she's talking directly into a ring and her own voice is talking back to her helping her process the breakup because otherwise it'd become an emotional toll on her friends and she needs to talk about it every single day in order to go through it wait and the ring has a speaker on it no like headphones oh my god your phone is a ring and then it processes it through like ai it processes through ai and then that's how she's going through her breakup how did she get into the beta program because she did their web series for them that is so that's so wild i won't even get an aura ring because that's none of my business have what my heart rate is and i and i got an aura ring i had to ban myself for my aura ring because you're checking it too much or because it's just because i didn't know anything about myself except the minutes of ram i was trying to tell the story in the podcast but i bombed it um about a month ago so i'm going to try it again do it with no sleep and 18 podcasts and one now it's time to do it honey rev up round two let's do the thing a former guest at the pod ella abmhoff she sends a dm to amelia and i it's just a photo for herself and we go oh ella this is so fun no caption no nothing with there you go okay great ella having a fun day she goes yeah i'm like and then in her hand she like has all this jewelry and i'm like oh do you have an aura ring on she goes not on this hand i was like she's like on my other one i'm like oh you are too fun ella abmhoff and she goes i have to tell you a secret i'm like please ella tell us a secret and about three hours passes before that what is the the stepdaughter of the vice president gonna tell me she goes i wear an aura ring but it's always dead that's so it's just a ring at that point and then her birthday party was the next day i'm like this is gonna be on daily mail i swear to god last time she was on the pod there was multiple being like ella abmhoff is not a marnie mit has done the research and that's so funny cracking me up but yeah wearable technology is going to replace friend groups i'm ready for a chip we can get back to the pod um no this is the pod okay okay i'm ready for a chip girl i heard about your breakfast you're not doing it anything with dipping that's so funny no i like the idea of like the we don't point on the pod so i can like maybe just scan things like my front door unlocks my like my credit cards in there i don't know people are gonna look back on apple pay and be like you had to tap why didn't you just think about it yeah well no they have that i know neural link or whatever well this girl you can because you know how you can like tap your phones and they can connect yeah oh my god i always get performance anxiety though when it's like when you switch contacts or whatever you know you mount each other and i'm like please do it please do it please because sometimes it doesn't i've seen evan fail so many times and it's just fucking hell it's horrible it's all for him for me dunk oh let's try it again dunk and it's like a new person so it's like you don't have the kind of like you're just being awkward with the new person yeah well the hardest part of that is they don't it's all chronological the context you're like you don't catch a person's name because it's on a text chain and then it's in there you're like so i actually don't know this girl's name and i'm gonna have to search through 7 000 contacts and take my best guess at it well that's why instagram is better because you can at least be like the latest follower oh for sure but i keep following into that but i recently saw um a random like scary man introduced this technology to a pop star the tapping but it wasn't working for him because her phone wasn't updated so it was like a 35 minute ordeal of her like him smashing his phone against a pop star's phone no what pop star was letting this man approach her like this you can't say i can't say on the pod but she was a marnie um let's cut to our first break okay announcing her album yeah funniest thing and then when we get back we are gonna really get into the thick of it wait a sec do you have an album you want to announce in the pod oh i have a special out called twink death no i said album oh um my gosh no i don't have an album yeah it's on youtube it's free i really know it doesn't mean it's really over i really want to watch i've seen a lot of clips from it but i can't wait to watch no there's one i'm sorry i haven't seen the whole thing yet it is physically painful for me to sit down and watch a stand-up comedy special so you're really funny thank you i love your clip where you're like y'all ever heard of zoloft okay nailed it when i was on zoloft and that came across my desk i said finally being represented in the media this guy gets me i want to give a huge shout out to this week's sponsor vinted i don't know about you guys but i am feeling like it's back to school season even though i have not been able to do it for a long time i'm not going to do it for a long time i've been in school for many many years but when it's back to school season i like to refresh my life i would say i'm doing a closet clean out but i'm actually doing a clothing rack clean out and going through all my clothes and being 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never met before right you're going through a rejection now you're being rejected by the person that's supposed to help you yeah yeah yeah yeah we live in hell anyway have you done anything you're not supposed to do anything you're not supposed to do anything you're not supposed to do anything you're not supposed to do anything you're not supposed to do no i'm like i'm using like chat so seldomly i really am taking on the burden of the data centers and the water of it all and so i'm trying not to use it like in a frivolous way not that therapy would be frivolous it probably is i haven't really i i use i use ai for emails what do you mean like compose emails so i'm like i have to voice attacks and i have to put it well it's worth us losing water to me i'm like yeah i gave up drinking it myself so i just poured this on my computer once a day so funny when you're like you do have a processing disability like ai has been so helpful with but i don't even know what it's sending all the time because i don't always you don't read it yeah and you're like this looks jarbled too sometimes evan's apology texts are generated by ai to me and i'm like well ai really knows how to make me feel hurt you're like i'll do it i'll allow it they're like your feelings are valid i'm like you know what i'll allow it thank you evan's ai um so let's talk sports night you guys big sports dudes oh is this when they got the free alcohol so yeah ladies drink free on sports night wild now that doesn't that didn't happen to me when i went to a bar for the next game i thought this didn't happen anymore i literally while we're watching this episode in the car while driving here watching um a peek behind the curtain how this thought they just made i was like women really there's no more free bars there's nothing free for women in this society anymore i turned to my left it says xxl adult theater men entry twenty dollars women come in for free i go finally porn theaters are still for women thank god thank god we have something i think during the me too movement the women were like you can have the alcohol back we'd like to not be attacked autonomy we didn't get either also like they were given beers i i can't imagine many women are like clamoring for like a michelob ultra but the thing about these women is like you don't know the girls we hang out i know watch i'm gonna get torn apart you don't know about drinking culture anymore the girls fucking love beer it is true um no it's not for me i always get a vodka crayon and everybody's like you're not 18 you need to stop doing that but then what's wrong with vodka crayon um they just it's like every time i order it i do get my id check because they're like she must be 12 really but olivia rodrigo just came out saying that she's not a girl she loves vodka cranberries which means 20 like 20 nothing years old all i'm saying is she's a cultural creator totally so now the trend has been set now the trend has been set you know you're gonna think i'm 23 but that's older than 18 vodka pineapple that's a little bit i'm also so post caring what anyone else is doing in regards to eating and drinking and listening to music do your thing did you say carry oh because girl she went through a lot this episode you are so good at wrangling it's incredible but sports night sports night so um none of them care but they're like okay sure and miranda they do care they walk in to go where are all the men in the city they walk 10 000 men oh it's a perfect episode but wasn't it intentional didn't they pick this place because it would be single men or no it didn't it seems like they they were they stumbled in there and they said this is where all the guys have been sure oh we've been going to the wrong bars they're at the sports bar they're all single they're all like or willing to cheat or willing to cheat also important to yeah the two genders are single or willing to yeah and literally they're like well they're gonna be so bored during commercials that's where we slide in i'm like y'all are nuts but i did watch the knicks win the championship and the way i was doing my best set in every commercial break to the end of the show i was like oh my god i'm gonna be so bored these guys really i was like let's talk about this like you were just on they were all iris and they couldn't understand a word you were saying were you both single yeah and are you both you said oh yeah you're looking for a boyfriend on the premises ideally yeah yeah on the spotify studio i'd love to find a boyfriend well he has clearance first of all so that's good and then you are also single single oh wow wait are you married no god no no i don't think i even i don't really believe in i don't believe it's insane that people keep getting married no like girls i know girls i love have you ever asked girls have you ever seen it go well no everybody thinks i'm insane for being like i'm obviously never gonna do that that would be crazy and then they're like oh no like you're gonna find someone like i've only ever met divorced women it's like best case scenario you're divorced worst case you're getting murdered yeah it's literally like if you're a woman you're either divorced murdered or being literally actively abused mentally and physically sometimes i'm gonna say it i feel like a charlotte this episode because i feel like i'm not here right because you want to get married you do want to get married well evan's parents are like nice to each other they're like in love and yeah they're not nice but they're in love i just think like happy marriages are the exception to the rule yeah and by far by leaps and bounds and usually it's because the woman's deciding to accept less than she deserves of course well that goes without saying it's because where i grew up everyone's still married or like a lot of my parents friends are still married there's a lot of divorce in my town but my parents have chosen people that stay married okay i think happy couples will attract happy couples well this is my other thing i'm just like i wanted to be like i want to ask these i want to ask when's the last time you had sex well have you sacrificed more than you thought you would have are you happy like i want to know those things yeah and i don't think most people are willing to answer them honestly i think okay i can answer for them because you were there last time they had sex you're holding the camera for their only only family you've been in the house when my parents have been sex what yes i've had the night that i was throwing up the lemon chicken they were fucking upstairs they served her bad lemon chicken like we'll keep her busy they poisoned her that's beautiful that's beautiful i think what it is it's like they present dysfunctional and that way they can stay together like they are they're always at each other's necks but oh which is such a great way to live it's a beautiful it actually is because it's everything's out there yeah i've seen all their fights okay yeah that's cool yeah yeah my mom does the other thing where she bottles it up for about eight years and then one day she just really lets it go and um i love to do that as well so how long have we been bottling like i'm like i'm surprised i haven't yelled at evan on this trip yet but i feel at peace At least this time. Yeah, it was really quick. Do you otherwise not like L.A. very much? I lived here during COVID-19 and had a bad time, obviously. But I will say this entire week, I'm like, no, this is nice. I could totally adapt to this lifestyle. This could be a way to live. It's so interesting. In New York, you guys do like eight to ten things a day. We do like one to one and a half things a day. And it feels like we progress at the same rate. I'm glad you feel that way. Behind the times over here. Wait, okay, so sports night. Yeah, yeah, we have to. Okay, well, sports night is over. Now Carrie's neat. Sports night is over. Well, Samantha runs into a man and she does this. I love this trick because I like to do this too. I like to play pool at bars and always pretend. I know how to play pool. But every time I go to a bar, I'm like, how do you do this? And you make someone teach you. Oh, my. Oh, it's the best trick ever. It's so fun. Because they have to hold you and help you. Of course. And every time I get worse at it throughout the night, I'm like, oh. You have to stick up your ass. You're like, is this where it goes? Like, you have two of the balls in your mouth. Oh, my God. Because men want to help. Men want to help. They know they don't want to help. They want to tell you how to do something. They want to, like, explain why you're inferior. Yes. And I'm down for that. Yeah, so Don Siegler, the guy that Samantha's pursuing, loves keeping the price of international labor down and the net worth. Yeah. And Samantha's like, okay, great. Men weren't really in women's handbags at this time. It was like a male-dominated field was the production of female handbags. That's true. That is true. That's an interesting thing to think about. You're saying men created female handbags? Is that what you're saying? They both created, and they were behind the supply chain of it as well. When you. It was not a female-dominated field, this female-dominated product. I'm just sorry not to work on my pockets. Men in women's fields. Well, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. All handbag salesmen were men. I mean, the best ones in the country were in the 70s, 80s, 90s, because they have a latent sex appeal, and they would go to these women's houses and sell the bags right there. Why do you know this? I'm an active listener. Seems like none of your business. Evan knows a lot of this stuff. Does he really? Yeah, he always is teaching me things. Wow. Kind of like a man. I'm not binary. Just put that out there. It is like when I found out Victoria's Secret was that a man ran it, I was devastated. Of course. All these. Amazing places for women were invented by men, and every time I'm like, fuck you, man. They got me again. Got my ass again. You rip your bra out. Yeah. I'm like. Even Derek's saying Miranda's space in this world, because she has this sexual tease with a man across the aisle. Miranda's storyline in this is deeply upsetting, because it is like, you know when you think the person's waving to you, and they're waving behind you? It is like that to a million degrees. No, it's like, what if we. What if we made this the worst case scenario ever? Literally. No, no. Ugh, the rejection. No, having niche internet fame, where you're like, where like, people don't, you don't really, people like, sometimes know you, sometimes don't. Yeah. But when they do, they're like, you're always like, you're always primed for it, because you're like, what the hell's going to happen next? Totally. And now I'm, it's like, it's, that's always the situation where like, someone's waving, I'm like, oh, they love my Bethany Frankel recaps. Well, do y'all ever have this? Someone comes up, and they're like, they just know you. So I just like, pretend like I know this person. Oh, absolutely. And then like, Miranda, I show them my boo. Your nipple's already out, girl. And then you realize, they're cruising somebody below you. What the hell? That is devastating. I know. Also pre-Grinder world, two gay guys just trying to find love in a hopeless place. I know, can you imagine, before Grinder, you're just like, opening window curtains, and you're like, what do we got? What do we work you with? And you, for a second, you think Miranda's a guy, because we're Bob, and then you're like, wait, wait, wait, FML. Oh, that redhead. Redhead. Okay, let's talk about Carrie meeting Seth at Dr. G's. So, the number one reason to go to therapy is because of the hot patient before you go getting out, and you can be like, oh my God, like, he was just telling that woman things, and I'm about to tell that woman things. I like Dr. G's. We should have this for our guests, honestly. We should bring toys to distract our guests' minds, so we can really get in there. Because she's presented with, it looks like a Jacob's Ladder of sorts. Oh, I didn't even notice that. Yeah, she has a- Is she playing with it? Yeah, she's playing with a toy, and it was actually all around Dr. G's office. There's little toys sitting everywhere. That's kind of EMDR before EMDR. It is. Have you done that? No, I don't believe in it. I'm kidding. It changed my fucking life. Really? Yeah. To me, it doesn't, okay, I said it, I don't believe in it. To me, I'm like, how could that possibly work? I know. it must. It's the kind of thing where you're like, there's no way this is going to work, and then all of a sudden, something that kept you up at night for 20 years, all of a sudden, you're like, wait, that thing is gone. I don't think about that anymore. Wait, what the hell? And then you move to New York to follow your dreams. You're at sports night with the girls. Yeah, literally. Doing a tight five in between each act. Anything can happen. You got it. Not for the EMDR. Not act. You're doing acts. But, so, she wore a new dress to charm Seth. It worked, and then Seth's like, this is- He's a photographer. I like her interaction with Seth. Sorry, I just want to talk about the therapist scene a bit here. We'll get into it. Well, actually, it's very cool to show the therapeutic methods that are employed here to open Carrie up. Like, actually leaving space for Carrie to answer her own questions, which we see so oftentimes in her own conversations with her friends, where it's like they are so actively participants, and we all are with our friends, and I think this is a common mistake we all make. So, we're always wanting to like- You should let them talk. We should let your friends talk. We're always trying to prescribe advice. Mel Robbins, let them. Well, this is why I'm always on my phone when I'm with my friends. So, they can just talk, and I can scroll, and we can get to the bottom of it. Sometimes I'm like, I'm listening, and I'm a better listener by playing Yarn Fever, as you tell me. For sure. Or looking at my own reels. It's different for everyone. And those insights. My own reels. Yeah. Well, we all have friends where- Do you have friends where you call them because you want to talk, and you have friends where you call them because you want to hear someone else talk? I don't find myself actively seeking that out, but I do subconsciously know that I have a few friends who are great listeners, and a few friends who I need to go with the bandwidth to listen. Yes. Yeah. I have my friend that I call when I want to talk, and then my friend when I want to hear them. Yeah. That made a lot of sense. It did. It really did. The lion's share. I also like, this sounds so crazy. I do have a deep well of peace most days. Oh, my God. Your hair used to be brunette, and then you found inner peace. Being in LA, talking to these guests here, you're like, I have a well of peace. I just wake up and feel calm. You seem calm, though. I am pretty, yeah, I am. I actually low-key, I'm like, okay, he discovered the meaning of life, but he's not telling us. You know, it's, I mean, in one word, it's gratitude, I think. You're like, it's actually two eggs over medium. And a little molly every morning. But, yeah, I don't feel like I have to unburden myself very often. Right. Do you know what I mean? I love that. No, I don't. I can't even imagine. The hell are you talking about? I mean, yeah, I think life is a lot easier than we make it. But I also, from my perspective, think- Let's cut to the second break. Yeah, I know. This is getting, like, off. Like, it's not even off topic. It's, like, in a weird back room. No, I like it. I actually truly do. It's important. We've never had somebody at peace on the podcast. Yeah. You gotta tell us everything. It's so funny. You know. The listeners wanna know. I mean, for me, it's like, also, it's getting older. It's being sober. I, like, participate in my sobriety all the time. So I'm, like, helping other people. And so, like, I'm seeing, like, how tough life can be. And that's who I compare myself to. So I don't, like, look at the people doing better than me. I look at the people doing worse than me all the time. And I feel, like, hilarious. I gotta try that one. I mean, I think it's the only time it's okay to compare yourself to someone. It's when you're comparing yourself to someone who has less. Aren't you supposed to be comparing yourself to you yesterday? Bitch, she had less. Actually, she had one more can of Celsius than I did. But, yeah. No, I know. And then it's, like- Like, am I in physical pain? No. Awesome. Or are my friends and family and loved ones, like, in danger? No. Awesome. Yeah. Do I have my bills paid this month? Awesome. You're so Maslow. Huh? Oh, Maslow. Oh, yeah. Hierarchy of needs. Did you, like, do the artist's way? Or what about- I've, like, most people started the artist's way about three times. No. I always tell people, like, Julia Cameron only wrote the first half and no one's caught her yet. It's so funny. Yes. The back half is just blank pages. It's, like, got your ass. No one's caught her. But what I did take away from artist's way was obviously artist's date because who doesn't want to, like, take yourself to get, like, a pedicure unprompted? Yeah. I also like doing things by myself. Me too. But the thing about doing the artist's way is, like, oh, I go on about three artist's dates a day. I was already doing all that. Yeah. This is an artist's latte. Yeah. And this is an artist's shoe. So you get to call it, like, something meaningful. Yes. And I'm like, well, I have to buy lunch. It's, like, part of it. It's part of the journey. I also was really good about morning pages, free writing, like, just journaling, like, whatever and that felt like skimming the pool for like gunk before like get these thoughts out anyway well Carrie needs that Carrie you think as a writer she'd have some mental clarity she's always talking about her friends instead of her yeah I think that's part of the problem yeah she doesn't spend time there's no there's no self analysis she also has main character energy which is ironic because she's the main character but but she has it as a person is she the main character because she has main character energy does she have main character energy because she's the main character this is a huge conversation surrounding Katniss Everdeen in the Hunger Games because they're like is she always winning because she is the main character of the series or is she winning because she's the fucking goat I think she I want to believe she's the goat I want to believe she's the goat but Carrie is not okay Katniss is goat Carrie is loser vibes well you know what the winner is theory what is that like when you win you have a much easier chance of winning your next battle I believe that yeah so winning compounds like once you have one win you accelerates into continual wins this also aligns with like manifesting where it's like if you can step into the reality where you are a winner everyone around you starts to see you as a winner and so like subconsciously even they're like oh this is the guy to beat oh my god he's unbeatable like wow yeah you're suddenly snapping after every word you're also screaming at us you know what I relate to though this guy that she hooks up with played by Jon Bon Jovi is that true now don't tell me that who the hell is Jon Bon Jovi a singer can we can we can we look that up so Jon Bon Jovi is definitely a singer of like the 80s and early 90s well there's no reason you two should know I only know because I'm like elder okay it is Jon Bon Jovi he appeared in this episode yeah so he's like a rock he's kind of like a rock star he's amazing his son created Hampton's water thank god what were they drinking before then oh I relate to this because part of my singledom is that I do I am someone who loses sexual interest once I gain intimacy with someone you're fucking Seth yeah oh my god it's not that fast but it is very real well that's like yeah like men love the chase so once they catch the prey it's like well once they get the lion's share they're out of there eating the lion's ass yeah they are putting that girl in the shed I swear to god yeah it's just that thing of like also I feel like I was raised by like maybe app culture like uh hookup culture where it's like I've put sex and intimacy into kind of like different categories where it's like I get intimacy all the time from my close friends and like I feel deeply connected and I can touch and hold and like be I can caress people but then like sex is something like very different right but I mean that's also gay a little bit I understand I feel that way too I think that is gay clip it clip it just her saying I think that is gay it is like Carrie refusing to learn anything or reflect and Dr. G just going silent being like you're gonna get there and her freaking the hell out because she's like no one's ever not replied like yeah and her realizing like but also dr. G being like the common factor in all these relationships is you it's like well she's the patient yeah yeah that is how this works that is like an outdated thing that went around in like the mid 2000s the like oh the only thing all these things have in common is you it's like well yeah duh I'm the center of the world in this situation I do believe in that theory though you do I we often see our friends fall into it's the same trap yeah the same trap the pattern of it all and they go why do I invite all these bad people my life it's not that they're inherently doing anything wrong but the pattern is that they're not maybe discerning they're not learning they're not learning right Carrie has this similar issue where I mean she is doing things wrong but also Carrie refuses to learn from her past mistakes and she continually finds herself in situations where she's being completely neglected and then she enjoys the pain right the whole premise before this is episode that she talks about how she is a masochist because she enjoys the pain that the relationship of her being together is and she's familiar with the pain and we often find ourselves turning back to the devil you know exactly because that's that's where we know ourselves and part of the process is the acknowledgement of it and this is the episode where Carrie gains acknowledgement of this pattern which is a reason for the last few times her big had to break up it's because she was so blind to her own weakness yeah I am deeply moved by that and the show really like even the Charlotte line when we were talking about earlier it's so simple or sorry goes my whole family like we played tennis to get through our pain instead of actually physically processing it there's so many small moments that reflect our own human experiences it's really visceral ways that we're laughing at the same moment we are actually compounding our own human experience and I that's a comedy at its best in my opinion and this show delivers it like hand over foot where we are both like laughing based off casual human observation but also because we are confronted with our own emotional truce which I mean that's why the show continues to have relevance because it's still a show that points out so much human error and such a in like a fairly satirical or over-the-top way but just it's so often overlooked and I don't you feel like when we were like when we first taught English everything is about like the inherent meaning of what the sentence is like what are you taking away from it and now TV I think is so centered around the content of entertainment and like getting to laugh are you delivering like a compelling story how are you pushing a narrative continuously but the show is not dictated by narrative it's fairly episodic while still having continual plotline and I I really like I really I love this show because it allows itself to take his time while telling you a message hmm and that's I think it was program lay that Carrie learned this episode that she's bad at picking them and we got to see that play out through a game of Twister oh my god I forgot I'm playing Twister was like the hottest shit I've ever seen it's also there's like a popular gift right now where Carrie walks into her own apartment and it's like and it's this scene and I saw her do it and I was like it's an outfit she is the Fendi bag the baguette or it has the and it has the flowers yeah and then the purple top with the yellow pants yellow shorts it's one of my favorite outfits honestly I mean every episode like this one I hear out I get carried away with how fantastic they dress it the they dress in this show now when the Twister turns into making out I said this is fucking hot this is fun this is what the movies are about yeah I'm I miss it I feel like things aren't that cute anymore oh and Carrie's the best line ever where they're doing Twister and she goes yellow pants on floor great writing inarguably good in no time it was yellow pants off you sound like her oh thank you that is great they hook up no worries the thing that Carrie's always doing though is finding out the answer to something right after the sex so it's like she's a clarity girl yeah so she hooks up with him they've just nutted whatever and then she's like so why you what are you yeah she's like so what are you what's wrong with you which I I as a writer I take issue with because it's like wouldn't that be one of the first things you talk about if you have this thing in common yeah yeah but they are gonna do that and so then of course I mean it always happens in this show so they can introduce a new guy next episode with a new topic but it is so annoying to me we're just like I should have asked him a little sooner because it's also it's emblematic of the times that talking about oh yeah you don't talk about that yeah you're right it's like it's all between you and your therapist it's just keeping HIPAA alive I'm just like and then Samantha we're so excited for her journey because the Knicks win so she's like I'm gonna have sex then then this guy is like and now it's time to watch the Mets and it's like okay this is the same thing again and Miranda's like I'm gonna talk to the guy I've been flirting with and he's like I'm cruising the gay guy under myself in the mindset of that guy it's like that's your favorite team winning after losing and then you get the fuck a hot woman that must feel amazing for men like go through the the winds and falls and then that also dictates your sexual schedule that feels gay to me though like his bros like do a good job so you can get hard yeah yeah and then he's like I got to check in on my other bros me mom Samantha's looking hot and ready yeah she's literally little scissors pizza over there what gay guys you hang out with it they need you to do well to have sex right oh my god that is not happen to me do whatever they want wait my emotional calendar should we cut to our second brain yeah okay there's like a very good and what this finish well we kind of talk about everyone yeah this is a really easy episode yeah actually you made it really easy really yeah oh good good yeah it's because you're relaxed and at peace like don't Don't read me. Don't, don't. No, suddenly I'm like, wait. I'm going to take my shoes off. You should. What does Audrey Hilbert say? You went, no. You didn't bring that many socks. I'm going to put my drinks up because drinks up now. There's so many lines in her songs. What does that mean to you? Where I'm like, what is she saying? It's like Chapel Roan being like knee deep in the passenger seat. And everybody's like, what? I think that makes sense to me. Wait, that makes sense because I think they're on the floor of the passenger seat. Famously, Chapel Roan was asked this. And she's like, I don't know. It never made sense to me. Okay, still iconic. Yeah, still iconic. We have to tell her what our music means. That is so kind of us. Yeah, okay, we're going to cut into our second break. And now we're back. And now we're back from the second break. Zach Noe Towers, we have a really fucking important question to ask you. Oh, no. Oh, did we talk about the bed? What bed? Where he turns. I really think that's an important sequence. The end of it where they have sex, the copulation. And then he goes. I lose interest in. I lose interest in women after I have sex with them. Yeah, we talked about that. We did, but I don't think we gave it enough emotional time. No, no, no. And then she turns away from him, doesn't she? That is a crazy thing to say with your nut in someone. It's so psychotic. Could you imagine? I can't imagine, unfortunately. I've met guys. But what side are you on, girl? Wait, are you all dating in L.A.? Like, while you're here, are you? We've been doing so many podcasts. We share a bed every night. Oh, cute. I would. I would if I've had a day off of this stupid craft. I would, of course, be out there. I think I've chosen to love to do it with my life. We're right by Dodger Stadium. Oh, okay. And we're leaving tomorrow. And all we're doing is Dodging Dates, okay? Hell yeah. I'm just like, I don't think any L.A. guys would like my whole deal. That's not true. I have so many thoughts. They don't really tend to like those here. I feel like we're a little more thought-based than. You're being a bitch. Yeah, you are being a bitch. Sorry, I tangled up. No, no, no. But I also. I also understand that, like, L.A. does have the fickleness going for it. Yeah. I mean, the entire time I lived here, people were like, you should go to New York. And then I found out they meant I'm annoying. No. Where they're like, she has so many ideas she wants to talk about. And I do remember my first month in New York, I'm like, oh, people are, like, really saying stuff. In L.A., it's like catching a vibe. And there, they're like, do y'all ever think about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, you really have to be a survivor to make it in New York. Yeah. You can float around L.A. a long time. Right. We got a lazy river right here. Mm-hmm. Okay. So, an important question to ask me. Yes. Zach Noe Towers. Girl, what girl are you? Samantha, I think. Really? It makes sense. Because blonde. Well, because blonde. And she's very sex positive. She's very, I don't need a man. She's very, I get what I want. Right. And you were saying, like, sex is sex. And then you get all your emotional needs met by your friends and community. Yeah. And I'm not saying that's necessarily, like, the healthiest thing. It's the thing that's been working for me. You know? I also, like, I have a tough time compromising when it comes to, like, relationships. And I feel like Samantha's kind of that way, too. She's like, well, honey, you can't, you know, get hard every night. You know, you're out. God, you're a spitting image. But, yeah, I just, like, I found her fun and inspiring. And I find her fun and inspiring now. When did you first watch Sex and the City? I mean, when it was, like, coming out, I think. When did you first know you were Samantha? When it was first coming out. No, I'm kidding. I obviously thought I was Carrie. Ever since I was a little boy, I knew I was Samantha. Do you two answer what you're? Yeah. Yeah. What girl are you of? You're Charlotte. Yeah. Well, this episode, again, because I haven't felt heard. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. They love tennis. I think this episode, probably Carrie. Why? But I'm working through it. I'm working through it. Because I, like, I react to my own emotional pattern. Even if I can recognize them, I have a hard time always avoiding them. I think that's a lot of people. That's a lot of people. But I do relate to her. And who doesn't love Twister? Right? That's how I feel. I have all the classic board games. Oh, do you really? I don't really love games. Really? But that's what they do. We had you on Twister. What is podcast thinking you love games? Not physical games. Isn't that, like, game night? It's, like, big here. Is it? I mean, I guess people play games. You have so many conceptions of LA that seem not to be. I know. I keep telling you about your town, and you're like, not even a little bit. Not even a touch. You know, I'm trying to think. I feel like games are also on the East Coast, maybe. Yeah, but here it's, like, Kristen Bell's inviting me to game night. Okay, so, yes, it's, like, house gathering. Yeah. And in that way, games are present. Yeah. Yeah. So, girl, what girl are you? So, I'm going to go ahead and be Miranda, because I am always flirting with gay men. And being, like. They're talking to someone behind you. Why is my love life so. It's, like, girl, you put all your emotional energy into the gay guys. One of my gay guy friends literally told me once, like, tipsy, like, you just keep collecting them. I, you know, I'm going to allow it. Thank you. I think, ultimately, it's, like, the better. It's an investment. Right? If I'm going to accidentally cruise anyone. Yeah. It's going to be. It's going to be me. It's going to be me. So, I'm Miranda. And for that reason, I'm Miranda. Okay, we have one more segment. Are you ready for this? Yeah. It's time to get carried away. Well, don't be a bitch. I'm not being a bitch. I'm just being myself. Oh, God. This is where we each share. This is where we each share something we are really floating away on. I am getting carried. I am getting carried away with, I'm actually, and we were going to talk about board games, but I really am in a board game part of my life right now, but I don't need to introduce it. It's, like, actually a solitary board game existence where I'm finding online community and playing games. That's great. That could be where you meet the guy. Yeah. Guy. They're mostly in India, I will say. Okay. Well, still. I can figure it out. We can't. I don't live in India. This is why when we were at the Chick-fil-A right next to John Wayne Airport, you said, let's steal a board. Let's steal a board game from here. Yeah, I love board games. Well, that's reparations of sorts. Yeah, right. I didn't think about that. No, yeah, yeah. I love, I've been playing a lot of chess. It's such a, you know, board games, I mean, there's a reason that they stood the test of time. Well, yeah. Yeah. Physical media. Physical media. It's back. It's back. It never left. It's also a wordless experience, but you still are having a sort of conversation with someone. So, playing these online games, I'm feeling connected to other countries in a way I actually haven't. This is how people feel about, like, watching the World Cup is how I am playing online chess. Oh, that's beautiful. Yes, yes. I love that. Yes. You need to learn a lot of flags because they don't tell you the countries, they just show you the flags. Oh. Yeah. And you're like, Claude, what flag is that? Claude, can you play the next move for me? No, there's AI built into the chess game already. Oh, my God. I know. How do you even know you're playing with a person? You know, you're playing with people, but afterwards the AI can be like, you did the wrong move here, you dumb bitch. It's so fun. Wow. Oh, my God. What are you getting carried away with? So, basically, I'm going to go ahead and get carried away with these girls. After episode back to back to back to back, I am so fucking tired of these ladies, hooking up with them and then finding out the question. You're hooking up with them? No, they're hooking up with these guys and then they're, like, immediately finding the thing. Right after. You know what I am mad at? I'm mad at the structure of sitcoms. Oh, sure. And we just keep picking up and dropping off these guys. It's also not fair because I'm looking at this show and I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, new guy just got his SAG card. New guy just got his SAG card. No women are getting their SAG cards. I love Amelia. This podcast is a sitcom. I'm like, every week, Amelia's like, I can't fuck a guy. And then I'm like, yeah, that's awesome. It just pisses me off. My parents were Christians and they're divorced. Can the girls just, like, pick up a man and keep him for a little while? Don't they ever float a guy a few episodes? Yes, they do. Yeah, but it's always, like, it always ends with, like, oh, my God. Like, they get the ick from something, like, slapstick-ish. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Amelia hasn't seen all the sex in the city, but it's, like. Like, he wears a thong. Yeah, and they're like, oh, he's done for. And it's like. Cancel my tapioca. Literally, I was like, y'all were just obsessed with each other. But what I will say is you have to account for when it was coming out, it was, like, women talking about these things. And it was separated by a week. You guys are, like, watching several episodes in a row. Yeah. And, like, obviously, that's going to feel very monotonous. You're right. You're right, you're right. Well, because they didn't know about the renewal schedule. Like, they had all these fun premises, and the show does switch up. And then we get into these more continual relationships. Well, we're still in with this one, the interviews of random people on the street. Yeah. Which I don't like. Wait, wait, wait. No, I'm thinking of. No, there is in this episode. Wasn't it also the girls used to do, like, break the fourth wall? In HBO Girls? No, no, no. Oh, yes, they were. Carrie, Samantha, it's like. Yeah, okay. I don't like that. Yeah, I don't want her to talk at me. I want her to be her little doll. I want to observe her. Yeah. Yeah. I've had a few spontaneous make-outs. Stop. Yeah, I won't. Oh, my God. It's been electric. Right. One of them happened across the street at Sirius XM or something. Yeah, I wasn't even thinking of that one. Oh, my God. But, yes. Yeah, in the green room that happened, this guy was like, we should hook up sometime. Which I thought was very bold. And. I went to Beth. came back and then made we I kissed him and we made out but then recently I was this is you two I think appreciate this I was getting ready to fly from LAX to JFK in LAX I clocked this like hot guy we were seated both aisle seats him one row back so I'm like turning to like to like crack my back but we lock eyes again and then I'm making up reasons to turn around lock eyes he leans forward he's russian and his name is ilia and he's a concert pianist and he's like i'm sorry your eyes are just so beautiful his middle seat's open so he scooches over i sit in his seat we like have like a 15 minute like talk kiss and then at baggage claim in jfk made out like teenagers oh my god zach what isn't that isn't that fun he's here for a world cup no no no i was from lax to jfk i was going to do stuff in new york three weeks ago and he lives between the two oh my god that's like a they don't even make things that romantic in rom-coms i know and you just follow up or um it was one of those things where he invited me to a show that week and i was like oh i'll be with a friend is that okay and then he had to he had to rescind my plus one so i felt bad like abandoning my friend to go to like his show but like we're still texting i think we're both like bottom vibes but it was just like but this is the thing and this is about my deep well of serenity or calm like i'm still juiced over like the make out at baggage claim right like that like that's beating you was so cool and so like after that i was like yeah okay like if we cross paths again cool but if not like we had a really like sexy moment i feel like if that happened to me my entire trip in new york anyone i could get my hands on i'd be like so guess what happened to me at baggage claim i was like that i was well i was like people like how was your flight i was like actually really good heated rivalry happened to me to me someone said online seated rivalry but yeah so um i'm open to and then like i had a show i opened for fortune feimster on the road love love and i sell my merch after in the lobby of these theater shows and it's stickers and their donation base anyway this cute guy came up thought he's with his girlfriend best gal pal hugged me kind of tight and we're taking a picture together i go this could be for our wedding album and he goes oh yeah he and his friend linger made out with him after shut up everyone who left the lobby you're unbelievable yeah that is so that is so smooth for the wedding album oh oh how do you come up with that i'm pretty good at like being that made my heartbeat faster one time i was standing after a show and it's like uh this group of people people who were at the show were talking to me and one of the girls it was a hot tall guy but i thought he was straight and um the girl next to him was like what hotel are you staying at i was like i'm not telling you what hotel i'm staying at i'd tell him what hotel i'm staying at big laugh big laugh laugh he dm'd me on instagram so what hotel are you staying at oh my god he came over and like we made out and like rolled around i can't believe your life and from a place of serenity? Maybe. It has to be. It's kind of like a, if you get good at flirting too, you can start with it's just a genuine compliment to someone. Yeah. And then if they engage, you keep engaging. You're scaling the economy. Do you have an improv background? I actually make fun of improv because I fear it deeply, but I do find myself very good at it. Yeah, I'm like, it sounds, because improv is just flirting. Yeah. Wow. Most of life is improv. I'm terrible at improv. Really? I mean, you should really just, and I cannot express the value of a good wing person. Like, cannot. There's a drag artist in New York, Laguna Blue. She's a singing drag queen. Her voice is incredible. She does like Ariana Grande cover shows where she just, anyway, we do gay cruises together a lot and she's the best wing person. Boy, David, is just, oh, look at these cuties. Like, silly, jovial. And then, like, we gas each other up in front of the boys that we're talking to and they're like, we have shows this week. You should come. You should come. Oh, look at that. Look at those abs. Like, just very, like, overtly funny and flirty. Yeah. And it, like, always lands us suits. You have to put it out there. Yeah. I know. In, like, a non-threatening way. That's my year putting it out there. Do it. Yeah. Toss ass. Toss ass. I'm so excited. Good. Thank you so much for being on the pod. Where can people find you? Everywhere. Toss in some ass. Toss me. Or, like, a follow. Oh, yeah. Follow. Twink Death is on YouTube for free. Watch it. Leave a sweet comment. Share it. Love. Oh, my God. This is heaven on earth. Thank you for having me. Because, you know, we have an all-female listenership and that's why you said that. Oh, no. We don't have all. It's a lot of girls. And gays, I assume. There's gay guys, too. Hey, girls and gays, they're my favorite people walking the planet. Gays will never tell you if they listen to the pod or not. They do it in much more cryptic ways. They would not spit on me if I were on fire. But, um, I love them. I'll love you until you're ready to love me. Wow. That's a really good song chorus, Lion. Olivia Rodrigo. Sit with that. Well, thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Girls Rewatch. Please subscribe if you're watching on YouTube or follow us if you're on Spotify. Leave us five stars. It always is so helpful. And go over to Substack. That's the best way to support the podcast. We are releasing ad-free episodes over there and we'll be releasing additional premium features as well. So thank you guys so much for listening to this episode. Bye. Love you. Bye.