Session 152: Parker Posey

Tonight on Therapists, we have the Queen of the Endies, the Queen of White Lotus, the Queen of Comedy, the Queen of Everything. We have Parker Posey on the show tonight. I have a door at Parker Posey for so long, she's just the best, she's the best. If you don't know her, which I would be shocked, she was the star of season 3 of White Lotus, she was the Queen of the Endies and the 90s, she was in incredible movies. She's in the upcoming film Wild Horse 9, which I got to see and this movie I was so fucking excited to see and it was unbelievable, if you get the chance to see it, please see it. It also stars John Malkovich and Sam Rockwell, who was in White Lotus with her, she was also in incredible movies like Best in Show, waiting for Guffman, these incredible, incredible mockumentaries, although she will tell you that Christopher Gast does not like to call the mockumentaries because they were so improv, they were so improv heavy, they were such real true improv and she was so incredible in them, she was in decent confused, she was in party girls, she is just a force of nature and I am so excited for you guys to learn more about her if you don't already. She is also the host of the new Hulu reality show The Mob and if you know Parker Posey, you know that she's just gonna be incredible at it because she's incredible at everything she does and I am so lucky that I got to talk to her so please enjoy the episode, I love you Posey's. When I told my mom you were coming on, she said, "Oh my God, you have to tell her that one time she pet our dog, Rupert." "Oh my God, I love this, come on!" Inside of Noah's Bagels on Main Street in the late 1990s. You're kidding! You're kidding! Now Main Street is here in LA. Yeah, she was freaking out. I love that. Yeah. It's time for me to get another dog. Do you have a dog? I don't but my parents just got a new one. What kind? I think it's a poodle. Oh yeah! I'm a poodle person. What's Gracia Poodle? Oh yeah. Bishon Poodle Maltese. Oh wow. I'm a poodle person. Yeah. Yeah. I've been taking pictures of, I take pictures of poodles and my friends send me pictures of poodles that they take because it's time for me to give, you know, to have another dog. Does it work? To another. That love the oxytocin that dogs like create is, it's the best, but I can, I can look at a picture and it can make me happy. But I saw a dog in a stroller when I was in New Orleans last week and she was full on gray with like a little catarac and I took a picture of her and my parents put their dog in the stroller sometimes. They do. How does she? They do. It's like, he's like to it. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know why they do it. I think my mom scared her to run away. Really? Yeah. Is it like a little winner? His name is Barney. He's like to. He's like this big. And I don't know. I'm like mom, like when we go out to dinner show, like bring the stroller and like mom, Barney does not need a stroller. So I'm like mom, like why I can't, it's, I'm embarrassed. I love that though, that she's, I mean, she's, she's loving Barney, Barney, she wants to love Barney. I know. Why not? I know. I did a rewatch of all your incredible movies this weekend, Waiting for Guffman, Best in Show, Party Girl, Days in Confused. Do you remember your order from Party Girl? Mm-hmm. Uh, the way it was, uh, Falafel. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like a Falafel with hot sauce and a side of Bob Ganesh and a seltzer. I still love a seltzer. I love a seltzer. Did you have so much fun filming that movie? Oh my god, yeah. I loved it. You filmed it in like 19 days, right? Yeah, maybe 20, maybe 22. Day trippers was a 19-day shoot. Uh-huh. That's my mom's favorite movie. Oh my god, it's so good. Yeah. So it's your mom kind of like Amira. Yes she is. She's obsessed with Amira. She was like, please ask her about working with Amira. And was the best. She was so funny. She made me laugh at everything that she did. I would just like laugh at her and she goes, don't you laugh at me. She got really angry. And I made me laugh even harder. How did you not laugh during all of those Christopher Gas movies? Uh, my god. Well, Chris is a very sober person, you know? Yeah. He has a level of like, um, you want to be truthful to the person that you're playing and not play the joke. So it's, um, you have to commit to the scene and then, um, just take it very seriously. That was the thing like with waiting for government. Um, I got to, um, when I was in drama school, I didn't, I didn't like, I like memorizing my lines, but I didn't like to rehearse. Mm-hmm. And then I liked, um, just to be in the moment with someone else, to forget, you know? Um, that's kind of what those, those movies are like. So there's an outline of the scene and then you sit down and, when you sit down, the scene comes to life. Right. So there's no rehearsal. There's no like, it would be really funny if you did this or, or try that with the dialogue. So there's no dialogue. And so it's a really liberating way to work and, um, you shoot the, the master and then he come in for close-ups, maybe he'd give a little suggestion of something like with Hamilton, you know, when he says the Starbucks line, maybe you say he thought that was really sexy. Coffee order that he did. You know? Okay, that he ordered. And espresso. Yeah. And it's such a peaceful way of, of working and I, I love it. I love it. He can really set, he really set the stage and, um, I, um, really like that way of working of trusting them, the other actors like that. It was all, so it was mainly improv. It's all improvised. It's unscripted. So when they call it mockumentary, Chris didn't really like that because you're not mocking a documentary. It's, it's, it's an unscripted movie. So essentially the, um, the actors are kind of writing a bio, right? And then it gets released and when you bring the scene to life. So you're, it's all, you're sponging what your character is. And then you're in, you're just playing the scene. I'm just like laughing, thinking about now, when you're looking for the toy and you have to go at all, that was all improv. I was really nervous to, uh, leave Hamilton at the dog show. Yeah. And find the, um, busy B. Yeah. And because we were always working together. So I, when I went to the pet shop for that scene, Chris could tell something was kind of off. Uh-huh. Are, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I just don't know what I'm, I'm, what, what am I doing, you know? He said, well, remember waiting for Guffman, you go in and you, you know, the scene comes to life. And you, I was like, oh, okay. And then I entered into the scene. But like afterwards, I was like, oh my god, I was, I was in the scene. I was nervous of, you know, what was happening from being, you know, y'all dead by Hamilton. So it's like this, um, it's just so, uh, there's a lot of trust and openness. And so it's really fun doing those movies. And yeah, laughing at people just, oh my god, Fred Willard and, and Catherine and that, that, that way of working. It was like, oh, what was it like, worth it? Working with Catherine. I'm going to start crying. Oh, I'm sorry. There's so much lightness to these people. And it's just really beautiful. Um, and they're so talented like, um, well, we, we during Best in Show, when we did, um, we did a mighty land after that and everyone, everyone was singing in the, uh, in the dog show in the arena that we were filming at, that everyone's harmonizing and singing. And, and I think that's where Chris got the idea for a mighty wind and it was, it's really like a troop that I was a part of, you know, and, um, just such a beautiful way of working because you, um, you absorb as much as you can. You're cleaning all this information about this, this person, like during Best in Show, it was called dog land because everyone was having dogs and not babies. And that's what Chris kind of noticed, like, oh, while your generation is, is having dogs. Right. Um, so it's, um, you kind of look at the culture. You look at people and you get to bring things. It's, it's, um, a really creative process. I, I loved working with them. And the party girl was, um, uh, that was so much fun to be in New York City during that time. Do you feel like it was reflective of what New York City was really like as it was so free back then? Yeah. Yeah. You know, like open and you could, you could afford to be an actor and do plays and like, I did a soap. Yeah. Yeah, I did a soap. You talked out of college. College before. Yeah. Yeah. And I was just so happy to be in New York City with all the, the great people in New York. Um, yeah, it was a special time. And the, and the wardrobe for party girl. Yeah. The wardrobe was great. Michael Clancy, um, was a costume designer. And, um, I mean, I borrowed clothes from people. He came to my closet and we used some of my clothes. And it was just really creative, right? Vicki Bartlett, like some of these stylists are still working today. It was, and it was fun. Like we'd call on the phone and ask to borrow something. And the whole, it seemed like New York when it was a part of making the movies, too, or in LA, people just wanted to collaborate and be generous. And when you don't have a lot of money, you have to ask for favors. There's just a certain energy that happens out of that. You did a lot of indies. You were queen of the Indies in the 1990s. That's right. I remember shortly after that coming to LA for movies that I met, this producer's Stuart Cornfeld, who used to work with Ben Stiller. I think he's not with this anymore. But he told me about Frank Zappa and just started talking about punks and music. And he said something like, the arts in America easily become commodified. So it was like once the commodification started and the Indies were taken over by the business, then that kind of spirit and that way of working just dissipated. So it was a co-opting of, it seemed like people who weren't real filmmakers thought they could direct or produce. It started to get this kind of ego about it, where I think in the '70s and in the '90s, where producers were supporting the filmmaker and their vision, when it started to make a lot of money, when these little movies started to make money, then it turned into something else. And then genre happened. Then there are all these genre movies. So that's kind of where we're at now. It's like the superhero movies and the horror movies horror. So now we have these altruars that are entering into their movie making and their vision through genre. So that's cool. Thank you, Amazon Prime for sponsoring today's episode. So today I want to talk about something that has been part of my life forever and has genuinely changed it for the better. And that's Prime. If you haven't heard of it, although I know you all know this. Prime not only has incredibly fast shipping, but it also has all of your favorite shows and movies to stream. 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Thank you again, Prime, for working with me on today's episode. - You know, I feel like I should sing to you. - Can you? - Yeah, do you want me to sing? What do you want me to sing? - Well, I just watched "Wild Horse Night." ♪ Sing out loud ♪ ♪ Sing out strong ♪ ♪ Sing of good things, not bad ♪ ♪ Sing of happy ♪ ♪ Not sad ♪ - I love that. - Now, you're supposed to fall asleep. - Okay. ♪ Make it simple to last your whole life long ♪ ♪ Don't worry if it's not good enough ♪ ♪ For anyone else to hear ♪ ♪ Just sing ♪ ♪ Sing out song ♪ ♪ La la la la la la la la la la la la la ♪ - Yes. - Yes. - When John Malkovich is singing, we don't want to give away too much. Didn't you love "Wild Horse Night"? Come on. - See that? - I love it. It was when they were playing both sides now in the car, and you could just feel that he was like thinking about his whole life while listening to that song, as it was like softly playing, like, oh my God, that movie. You were so fantastic. Everyone was so fantastic. And like, it's so beautiful, isn't it? - It's amazing. And like, congratulations. Like, it is one of the best movies I've seen this year. Like, it is really so amazing. - Wow. - It is awesome. And. - I got to go to Easter Island and film there. - Oh, I was gonna ask that, did you film? - I was on the other side of Sam's phone calls, 'cause. - Yeah. - So I got to see those horses. Got to be around these animals who have been free. They're a whole existence. So you go from one place, you know, driving to set, and you're just in the furthest place in the furthest place in the world. And the stars are so much brighter in the animals, the way they are looking at you. Like, it's such a beautiful place, has such a beautiful spirit to an energy. And the heads and the, the moai. - Yeah. - And just like, what is going on? - It was just, I thought the movie was so, I mean, not to give anything away. - No, that's what I know. I wanted to talk about the movie, but I don't want to give anything away. - But it was just like a re, it was like real, I felt like I was like real life. You know, it's very rare. - Because of the writing, it's so Martin spent like 10 years writing this. And I just happened to slide in at the end and be right for the part. Do you know what I mean? Like it started, I think they were brothers and you know, it didn't, it wasn't always the CIA agents. And so I felt really, really lucky. I've been very lucky. So did a white lotus just being able to be in Thailand and get all that body work and get all that healing done? - Is it true that Mike White, he said, Jennifer Coolidge's party, I'm a fan of you and you said, so that'd write me something? - 'Cause we would see each other and he's like, I want to work with you. I'm going to write me something. (laughing) - And did you also do that to Steven Spielberg? - Oh, that's right. No, I saw Steven Spielberg in the parking lot at Gelson's and he was driving in a convertible with his daughter. He's like, hey, big fans. And I was like, get me a job, man. (laughing) - What was it like from filming Indies to filming studio productions like Scream? - I loved Wes Craven. He was such a kind, smart man. I was scared to do Scream 3. I didn't want to be scared. I like to be scared. It was like, we had this great conversation about why horror was so popular and catharsis and people screaming and needing to be in a theater to, you know, and I loved the first scream. I saw it in Chelsea and I'm like, I get it. I just, anyway, he appeased my fear and the craft service on that, I need to hate so well. And, you know, Courtney Cox and David, our cat, they were dating then and we shot in the writer of Greece to, I think, the director of Greece or something in their house that's where my character lived. So these amazing locations and that was where, down that hill was where Courtney and I get in a fight. And I was like, I know she's going to really punch me and she barely, like she did, like kind of brushed my chin. And yeah, it was really, really funny. I mean, she didn't like her, I mean, obviously. Yeah. But when we did some looping for that after, you know, after you finished shooting, you wanted to do some sound work, I said, I can't stop rolling down this hill. I watched all the screen movies like when I was like 17, that's the, that's when I did all of them. How many of them? They're seven now. Yeah, okay. They're seven now. And I think I watched one through five or six at the time. And you've enjoyed them. I love scary movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love scary movies. I love, like, I know what you did last summer. Like, I love insidious. I love obsession. Like, I love, like, wasn't obsession great. It was so good. It was, it was fun. It was fun. Scary movies are the best when you, well, it's funny watching a scary movie as a kid versus when I'm in my 20s now, 'cause I'm like, oh, horror has this. There's always there's always a deeper story they're telling in horror that I know. I just took it as surface level when I was a kid. - Yeah. - But there's always that like deeper, deeper story that they're telling. - Yeah. - Which I learned in college. - Did you, um, did you study film in college? - I took a few film classes. - Okay. - Are you Stanley Kubrick fan? - I've seen the shining. - Oh my God. Well that's one of the scariest movies ever. Do you like the shine? - I love the shine. - Do you like that's one of your favorite movies? Or do you like, did you like the exorcist? I never saw the exorcist, but I saw Rosemary's baby. - Okay. - Didn't Stanley Kubrick also do eyes wide shut? Yeah, I've seen eyes wide shut. I've seen eyes wide shut and I've seen the shine in. I love the shine in. - That typing all work in no play makes jacket. I mean, it's terrifying. - I mean, when they see him in the photo, I remember being very, very scared. - Yeah. - And I was young at the time and I remember being terrified. - Yeah. I watched that movie whenever, yeah, it was on. And I was just compelled to watch that movie, the shining. - Yeah. - Even though it scared me. But I don't watch this scary movies, like your generation watches. I'm not dying to watch them. But I like being in them. - Summer might be over, but live music and live performances are still going on. It's winter. It's the perfect time to see a Broadway show. But when Yang is married and oh Mary, people are still on tour. People are still doing comedy shows. It is basketball season and the best place to get tickets for all these events is at seageek.com. Seageek is the best place to get tickets because it rates your ticket on a scale from one to 10, one being not the best, 10 being the best. 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I'm doing this for the Criterion Collection. - Oh. - I'm doing a little closet, closet in the closet interview, some of the movies. And one of them, I started watching again, a 16 days of glory and it's about the 1984 Olympics in NLA. And by Bud Greenspan and he made all these sports documentaries and you get to just go back to that time and see what it was, what L.A. was like. This was the first, any, you can get the back stories of some of the athletes. I don't know how he did it. But the focus is not just on the winners, but also the people around in the stories. I love to, they're wonderful. - Yeah. - All his Olympics movies that he's done. And then I think Abigail's party, this Mike Lee film that I love that I watched in my 20s. Mike Lee can loach. He's kind of like how Martin writes. - Yeah. - Like it's really happening. You really, you think that it's real. You know, the writing is like. - It's just so grounded. - It's so good. - Like in Wild Horse 9, I was like, it was so like put plainly in that opening scene where he's on video, and he's like lotter grats. You know, a lot of mistakes, a lot of like, just looking back at life. So then when you hear like the soundtrack play throughout and you watch him, how he behaves throughout and how he talks to those two students, like it's just so good. - Yeah. - It's so good. - I know. I got to listen to them. It was like rehearsing a play. We did a re-through at the public and heard it and read aloud and Martin was like, "John, just if you could get a little hotter, make this a little hot on this part." Like, and when he turns that anger, when he gets angry and that passion that comes through him, when he's like that, it's so. - And it happens like this. - Yeah, it's like, and when I met him, I was like, "I have to get this out of the way." I saw you on stage in 1988 in "Burn This." This "Lanford Wilson" play. And I said, "I could see the dirt under your fingernails." And you had this like bobbed haircut and swinging your hair around. And I said, "It was just, you were so magnetic. It was so amazing to watch." - You know, your hair, and he goes, "I made that wig." - He made his own wig? - Yeah. - Wow. - I'd make a wig too. Do you sew or anything? - No, but I've been told I'd like it. Do you sew? - I do, I need a point. I need a point for any of that. - My best friend's school. - Yeah, and she loves it. She wears a necklace with it, around the house and she'll just go like this all day. - Are they big? - No, they're like little squares. But she's a very big fan of you, so she'll be very excited that when I brought it. - Yeah. - Did you feel like you were felt like what the '70s were like by watching Wild Horse 9? - I did, and I've also been listening to a lot of '70s music lately. Like I've been listening to a lot of beach boys. I've been listening to a lot of light. - I've got head sounds. - Head sounds? - Yeah. - It's like one of my favorite albums of all time, that movie Love and Mercy. Really put me on to it. Have you seen Love and Mercy? Okay, so it's the, it's the biopic with Paul Deino and John Cusack and Elizabeth Banks, and it's about Brian Wilson as he's making pet sounds. And I was like in this big music biopic phase, and it just put me on to pet sounds. And my dad was like, "You've never heard pet sounds. "It's the best album of all time." And so what really got me into pet sounds is when I heard that Paul McCartney heard God only knows, and it freaked him out so much that he made Sergeant Pepper. - Amazing. - And yeah, I love that album. - Me too. - What's your favorite song off of that? - Me too. I was just, his, there's a CD set. I remember I had when we had CDs, and one of the CDs was just the instrumentals, and then one was just the voices. - Wow. - Have you heard the ones just the voices? - I can't even imagine. - Bring you to your knees. I guess I just wasn't made for these times. - Oh. - Just like his, I can't, I was just like, his voice is such an instrument, and it feels like what he's singing about, and what he's writing. It's just divine. - It's timeless. - It's timeless. - I was listening to, that's not me, or on the way with the airport. - How does that go again? - I tried to do it, and I would do it again. - That's not me. - And I was alone on the way to the airport, and I was like, I really can't do things alone. It's just not me. And I was like, wow, I feel really seen by this. - It's all time. - And then the, what else is it? Well, God only knows it's my favorite. That's like the best pop song of all time, in my opinion. - Yeah, it's such a beautiful song. God only knows what I can be without you. - I know it's like the most beautiful love song of all time. - You have to get the vocal only in listen to him in the recording sound booth, and when he was doing that. - I mean, but what? - It's so beautiful. - 'Cause we're watching that movie, and watching Brian Wilson, or Paul Deino Play, Brian Wilson, create these sounds that he was, 'cause I think he was schizophrenic. He was hearing these sounds in his head, and he would just like, he saw music. - Yeah. - And so to watch that, and Paul Deino did such a great job. - I haven't seen it. - Oh, you would love it. - It is so good. It is so, so, so good. And I just had no idea that Brian Wilson's life was so tragic. It was so, so tragic. It was, - We grew up listening to music in our homes, right? And as a child of the '70s, my parents had speakers in every room, and I was putting on records on the record player, at the age of five, you know? Do you remember the first record you owned? - No, but I mean, I love Jesus Christ Superstar, and Bob Dylan, I had a lot of Bob Dylan in the house, and Joan Baez, and, - Joni Mitchell. - Joni Mitchell. - Yeah. - I love Joni Mitchell. So there's not a lot of, your generation didn't have like this music, like we just had the same music, for the, you know, on the radio. There's so much more now, and then people have their headphones. - I know. - So we don't get that. - It's a little more isolated. - Yeah, yeah. - Do you dance at all? - I love to dance. It's my favorite thing in the world. I'm gonna, I'm gonna sing The Strokes Friday, which is one of my favorite bands all the time. - Oh my god. - And I just can't wait to dance. - That's gonna be so fun. - But you know what? You just made me realize is, you've been in a few movies that have just, you portrayed the '70s. You did it in days and confused, and then you did it in wild. course nine. Yeah, that's right. So what was different, I mean, of course, very different movies, very different times, but what felt different about playing in the 70s in both of those movies to you? I was thought of this documentary series that was on PBS called the Loud Family or an American Family. It was one of the first reality shows. And I watched that series. You can watch it on YouTube. It chronicles a family that's getting divorced. She's leaving her husband and she's got like four kids. It was one of the first gay, young gay guys that anyone saw on television. And then they got divorced. And then in the 80s, we follow Pat Loud. And I'm forgetting her son's name, but he was a musician. It's wonderful to watch this documentary series. It was the beginning of kind of feminism. You know, women were just finding their voice and could get divorced if they, you know, the husband's really interesting in it too. He's like kind of a salesman, you know. Anyway, I'm recommending it. Oh, yeah, but you I'm using a few so it's mid 70s. So that was like, you know, in high school to music had a lot to do with that. And just like the vibe was totally different. Were you ever a stoner in real life? Kind of, but not like not a big one. Yeah, not a big one. I think I am a little bit. Really? Yeah. Would you do the gummies? No, I use, I start gummies were my intro. But now I like love a joint. Yeah. Calls me down. And then it makes me go crazy. That's the thing. You can't really, I mean, in my 20s, yeah, I was smoking pot, but not now. Yeah. Now I like really like taking care of myself. I have an idea. When the podcast started coming out, people were popping people were doing them. It's like, why don't they sit in pods? And really make it a podcast. Yeah. So we would sit like back to back and these little pods and you have cameras. And then we would talk to each other without all this. And we just, you should do that conversation. You should do that. You should do that. It's your idea. You don't want to do that. I would do that with you. Okay. It's on. It's on. Yeah. And you just hosted your first reality television series, the mob, the mob. What was hosting for the first time? Like, you know, I mean, look at me in this dress, right? This is a hostess dress. It is a very hostess dress. I was happy to be in a hostess position. I thought that was fun. When I was a little girl, there was a woman named Diana Rigg and she would introduce Masterpiece Theatre Monday night. And I thought that was just so fabulous and great. It's just like this week and last week, we saw the family, you know. Oh, yeah, you just stand. You look great. You announce it. And you know, so that's what I was the hostess. And I felt like it was fun. It was kind of like live theater in a way, because you know, I just walk into these reality stars. I had no context for the kind of work this was, but it was fun. It was like 30 cameras. They came out in the first scene. It was like two vans. They're like running out like a barrel of monkeys and like let the games begin, you know. Did you were able to take like your improv skills and like bring it to Hostane? Not so much. I mean, I kind of, I wanted to be like the hostess with, you know, I wanted them to act out. I think as the hostess, it's kind of, you know, I kept my distance a little bit. Yeah. No, it was it was fun. I enjoyed it. And it wasn't Tuscany. So it was so beautiful there. Oh, I've never been. I'm so jealous. This reality, like I don't watch a lot of reality television. So it was like two worlds collide a bit, but it was like Joey from New Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So my mom, my mom watches the real house. I never got in. I didn't take that dive. You would love it. Yeah. I have. You would love Salt Lake and you would love Beverly early Beverly Hills. Okay. And you would love early New York. And Harry, right? Who's on the mob in the season? These reality stars go from one show to another. Yeah. And they, they become a brand. And they bring their audience to the show. It's really interesting. Yeah. You know, they have, I don't, I felt for them. Like I kind of want, I'm like, don't you want to act? Like, what are we going to do with? Because I watched the, the last season of Traders. We too. And the, the women from Real Housewives were so much fun. Like I loved it. Yeah. Like this could be a new kind of thing where the reality stars are acting. Yeah. Right? Because it is entertainment. And they should be, they should be part of the union. And they should be part of stories. And I was like, Harry, I'm some of these, to me, like a lot of them, I'm like, do you want to be to a TV show? Like what's, what's happening? Are you, are people giving you enough acting work? It is acting to an extent, though. I mean, I've, I've spoken to, it is Lisa Rena about and she was like, you know, it's like, you're, it's up here. It's not, it's entirely you. It's a genre. It's the whole thing. It's, it's a real, and so the mob kind of is cracking that open a little bit. And there's a little bit of performing in there with like putting on the, um, the mob persona and this kind of toughness and this, this thing. So I think, um, I think that's fun. We want people to play. I want people to play at home and play this game, play at home. Everyone dressed up. And, and what is, what is something without like playing with your family? So Maria, who is one of the Mormons, right? Uh-huh. Um, one of the Mormons. Or to me, was to me. I, is it from secret life of Mormon wives? I think so. I don't, that's the one I don't watch. And everyone's like, you gotta watch it. It's the one I don't watch. Does she grew up Mormon? And every Monday night, the Mormons, they have like a game, game night. So they play games. So she played mafia, but they in their version, there's an angel on your shoulder and double on the other one. Yeah. So did you play games? My family, no. Yeah. My, my mom stuck me, love her. Stuck me in the TV room. And was like, just watch TV. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was like, just watch TV. And that's what I did and watched all the TV in the world. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I remember, yeah. But that's why I was, she would be like, what are you watching? And I would watch all this like stuff that was way too, I was way too young to watch. Like, like, all the VH1 reality shows when I was eight, when I was eight, I was like, I want to fight. I was like, I want to fight someone right now. And then I was watching South Park. And, but my dad, my dad encouraged South Park. He was like, you should watch South Park. Because, and then family guy. And, um, I was, I remember I watched desperate housewives breaking bad. Oh, my God. Yeah. Are you a Scorpio? I am a Scorpio. Is that why we started crying a little bit? Cause we have so much water, so much water in us. Do you know you're rising in your moon? Labor rising. Peaceful. Gemini moon. I'm a Gemini moon. I'm Gemini rising, though. It's tough. It's just like tough to be two Gemini's and one. That's, that's all air. All ideas. Yeah. Yeah. But then it's like, I'm a Scorpio for real. And so you need some like Taurus around you, some grounding. Taurus over there. My mom's a Taurus. Oh. Yeah. I'm psychic. Yes. You are. Do you out, do you feel like you're psychic? Sometimes. I mean, I, I like to, you know, think so. Yeah. Sometimes I can't tell what's my intuition and what's just anxiety. Oh, okay. It's really hard to tell. Sometimes I'm like, am I just anxious or do I really feel like this is the wrong thing? My God. It's the 20s or like that. The 20s are hard. They're just, they're breathless. You know, what do you mean by that? Just the engine is just, the energy that you have inside is, is a lot and you'll, that'll calm down after 30. And then in your 50s, it'll be even better. The 20s for me just feel like, like everything's so fleeting and going away and fast. And you have to do everything now. It is not how you felt in your 20s as well. I turned 30 and I was like, wait, there's more. Oh, I thought I kind of did every, I have to keep, keep this up. Yeah, there were some kind of energy, you know, that's very different in your 20s and in your 30s. And then you'll be in your 30s, you'll have boarding, you'll feel old. So for me. Oh, 40s are tough, but 50s are great. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I feel I feel more grounded. Definitely. I was going to say you worked with some of my friends. Patrick's work to Nager and Sam Navola. Oh, yeah. I love Sam and I love Patrick. Oh, I know. Aren't they great? They're amazing. Patrick got a lot of massages in Thailand. I can imagine. I remember seeing him and he just had that like days look. Yeah. Like three hours. Do you not feel claustrophobic in a three-hour massage? No. No. You know, these, they grew up in Thailand. They were just massaging and you don't, if a baby comes into a restaurant or mom's holding a baby, the baby is handed to the babies aren't supposed to touch the ground. So people are holding the baby and it's just lots of movement and bodies and, you know, and it's healthy. It's healthy to get massages. Yeah. It is. So it's part of their, it's part of their culture and there were these like pavilions where you'd get a massage. These ladies outside just sitting down and can just get under pavilion and and they just walk all over you and stretch you out. And you guys took over that whole hotel, right? At the Four Seasons, yes. And then we went to Puket and stayed in in my cow and the Anantara and Rosewood Hotels in the cat. Oh. Anyway. Yeah. Like, yeah, it was a whole experience. I'm sorry, I don't know where to start with it because it's just so full. I can't even imagine. Yeah. How was the food? Because Thai food is something I hear food in the world. There's this place in Bangkok called Jua Jua and she was Japanese, the Major D and he was like a little tin air streamer trailer. Maybe like 30 people could fit in there. She was this amazing hostess and the chef was from Florida. So he was cooking southern food but Thai with like a Japanese twist and they'd make these cocktails and and people would come in and hang out and we went talk to each other except so friendly. And I ended up when we went back to the for the premiere in Bangkok. I ended up meeting the son whose family owned the hotel that we shot Victoria's dream. You know that colonial house. Yeah. It was like delivered to that area. Oh wow. Yeah. Was that the longest shoot of your life that you've ever done? Did you find it challenging? How long it was? You know what? Like I go to places and I'm like I love it here. So I kind of get I live where I go and I fell in love with Thailand. I loved it. I loved it. And then I went down south to New Orleans and South really reminded me of Thailand. Really? Yeah. What about it? And there was this restaurant in Hadasburg, Mississippi. And I said, "So what do you call?" I said, "How did you get here?" And he's like I it's warm and the hospitality and the food. So there's this like link. I don't do well with heat in general. But now my body's really used to the heat. I like it. I don't mind sweating. I took a nap at my mom's house. My mom just had some surgery. She had hip replacement and I was caretaking her in the hospital for like a week so it was just like lots of energy. I was so exhausted and I took a nap outside on the glider recliner. And I woke up just covered in sweat. I fell asleep in the sun. And you didn't mind it? No, I didn't. Oh, that's like my worst. If you if you if you went there and acclimated, then you would feel really good. I know. That's a thing. I sleep. When I sleep, I sleep at 62 degrees, my bed cools to like negative 10. I have like a mattress that cools and I have a fan. And you like all those sounds too, right? It's just like the air conditioner, everything. And I just love being cold. Because I always feel like you can always add more layers, but you can't like rip your skin off. That's right. My mom my mom's bedroom is like that. It's like a meat locker. Yeah, it's really I would love your mom freezing. I would love her. Now do you have a weighted blanket? I do. I do. How many pounds? I don't know. It feels like four. Okay. I would guess four. Yeah. I would guess four. Is it the whole bad or is it just one for your body? It's a throw. Yeah. I have a throw. Take over. Have you ever had a Lola blanket? No, what is that? It is possibly like one of the softest blankets I've ever had in my life. I don't know where they how what happened. And suddenly there's one arrived to my house. And I was like, what is this? And it's safe to say change my life. It's called a Lola blanket. Yeah, and you would not believe it. Is it like stuffed animal material? It is even better than that. I'll show you one after. And they we went to a like some they put on a Lola blanket fashion show during New York Fashion Week. And they had shirtless models walking down the runway with blankets. And you can see me in Louise go like this. Like we were like watching like Gucci or like something but it was a blanket fashion show. So that's Lola blankets. I want to see it. Should we get it should we bring a Lola blanket? Thank you. I like it. I like a soft pillow. I don't like the hard hard pillow. I don't like a hard pillow either. I sleep on a I like a worn down like I think one of my pillows is like from high school. I have really old you know pillows. My parents love my SpongeBob blankets from high school. I slept in SpongeBob blankets from when I was seven to 18 and now my dog Barney sleeps in it. I went to my parents house. I was like my fucking SpongeBob blanket. They were like yeah it's like tatter but it's something comforting about it. That's so sweet. I know. I want to meet your parents. I mean they would love to meet you. What's her name? Helene. Hi Helene. She'll break. I need to get more into Joanne Mitchell. Oh my god. You do. That's my mom's favorite. Oh my god. She's genius. I know. She's I really got into her when she I saw it. I think she's at like the Newport Jazz Fest and she was singing both sides now but she was like her age now and hearing her sing that song now with like the clarity that like life's brought her since writing it was just like I was like so moved and that's when I first got into her and I call my mom and she was like we're the fuck of you Ben. So during this show we do this thing called the tell me what's wrongs and the viewers write in and they ask for our advice. I had the strangest dream of my ex that I broke up with a year ago. In this dream he was begging for me back but in reality we dated for two years and he could not stop cheating on me. When I woke up I had a notification that he liked my Instagram post and viewed my profile and now I can't stop thinking about him. Like should I believe in fate or just move forward? No more social media. I can't. I'm so addicted. It is such a problem. It is and then I put it down it. Do you like to swipe? Swipe scroll at like I and then I'm like and then I look up it's been four hours and I'm like I know where was I and my fear is like one day I'm going to be 80 and I'm going to be like where did everything go. I've been on my phone this whole time. So I've been trying to like I've been seeing signs like I believe in like signs from like the universe and stuff and I've been getting the universe and I've been getting a lot of signs to get off my phone like recently like a lot of people being like like even like I've been thinking about it and then someone I think Louise yes I was like you should just unplug and I was like I was so weird I was just thinking about that and so I unplugged a little bit this weekend and it was really nice. That is nice. Yeah. I think it's demanding. I think the phones have become kind of demanding for people to keep up. Well it's just anxiety inducing you constantly feel out of the loop. Like you constantly feel out of the loop like I had to pay or you can just be out of the loop you know like me you know. How do you do that? You can talk to people on the phone. I know. Do you talk to people on the phone? Well I face time a lot but it was funny because in Wild Horse 9 they were like when he comes to the hotel they're like you have two missed calls from you and I was like and in that moment I was like wait how do they get in touch back then like how did she get the number of the place you were staying in Easter Island without phone books? Yeah. Yeah phone books. Damn. Yeah. But like how was crazy? I was like oh my god like I wouldn't last a day. Weren't those phones? Didn't they look great though? Yeah. Yeah. Hello. Your makeup in that movie is so great too. Thank you. I tab my face and I put preckles and you had like some glue. Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. It's so hard to make friends as an adult. Me and my husband just moved to a new neighborhood with our newborn. Everything's so crazy that we have been able to be normal people with our neighbors, new co-workers, etc. What do we do to branch out with our busy schedules and not knowing anyone? Bakes some cookies, right? You know, cook for your neighbors and leave them a little note. Goes back to social media. I think people are so scared to like interact and leave the house. COVID was not good. COVID was bad. COVID really got people more scared and not knowing like how to be. I used to be the most extroverted person in my entire like I was like lived to go out, lived to socialize. I'd go out every single night, had the most fun COVID happened. I was like, I'm like, I'm like, I can stay in just like chill and watch TV. I watched alone during COVID and it was a really good show to watch alone. The show alone? Yeah, what was that about again? They're all on a, you know, surviving on a, you know, in the extreme weather in the cold and they're filming themselves. It's reality. So you're like into like reality documentaries. Like that is that one of your favorite genres? I do, I do. I like that. Yeah, yeah. But what about our friends? How are they going to make how bake cookies and leave the house and put themselves out there? Yeah, do something out of the box. I think people are afraid to put themselves out there ever since COVID. I think there's like this fear of like cringe or being judged and it's terrible watching party girl this weekend. I was like, oh my god, people used to just do whatever. Yes. People just used to do what ever. And there was no talk about it. There was no judgment about it. It was like New York was just this place of freedom and people saying what they want and being whatever, you know, it was really, it was really free. I found that I've gotten weird about my close friendships. I seriously struggle with being vulnerable. I'm not really reaching out to people and seem to view everyone quite negatively and be worried they're going to leave me. Oh, I feel this way. Maybe this is unfair to them. I'm really scared of being heard again and don't know how to trust my friends. I think sometimes you just, I, there's this quote from, have you seen the Amy Winehouse documentary? It's fantastic. And I think it's Tony Bennett that says, he says something like, if you live long enough, life will teach you how to live it. Yeah. And it's one of those things where it's like, that is something I've struggled with. And it's like just about kind of ruling with the punches and letting life give you ups and gives you, give you downs and not be so guarded of from the downs. Because when you're so scared of the downs happening, then you're going to get no ups ever, because you're just like in this little bubble. And it, did that make sense at all? That's kind of my advice. There was this meditation that I did when I was in Thailand and I was feeling alone and lost. And we don't I think we're missing spirituality. Yeah. Do you get a lot of letters? It's just like the people call. Yeah, that's how the, that's how this show kind of came about. It was people, it was, I used to, people were right, would write in. And that was the whole premise of the show. And then it became whatever it's become now. So there's like a loneliness epidemic. There is a loneliness epidemic. Yeah. Yeah. And it, I feel like the loneliness epidemic, I mean, this is probably goes without saying, but was so exasperated by COVID, like COVID made it. So it was already happening. Yeah. And then COVID just kickstarted it even more. And I don't know how we're going to get out of it because social media plays the biggest role in it. Yeah. How could you not feel lonely when you're on your phone and you're seeing people hanging out 24/7? Yeah. You know, I mean, loneliness too is, you know, it's a part of existence. And we need people to help us to connect and love and to get us through, right? I am, you know, old enough to be your mother, but I've always felt the same. We will feel the same. We just keep getting older. And I'm a sensitive person. I can't imagine the challenges of these devices, of people who have been, it's almost like being hijacked. Yeah. And it's, um, I'm kind of waiting for the revolt, you know, to go like, yeah, this is like not really fun anymore. Right. I don't know. I feel free, I feel for, um, you know, and it's just a generation. Yeah. But I believe that they're making things and they're, you know, I mean, that's the human condition. I think we can, you know, help each other out. I feel for her. You said, you just said really struck me. You said you've, you've grown a lot, but you've always felt the same. What did you mean by that? That we keep getting older, but we feel the same. Like my loneliness happened a long time ago. It's a problem. It is a problem. And did some, just want to like start a dance class or something. I know we should start a dance class. Dancing. Yeah. Getting into their bodies and stuff. I love to dance. Playing, I do too. It's my favorite thing in the entire world. It's like when I go out for a weekend and just like dance. Are you a funny dancer? Well, like to me, I take it really seriously. So I like it. I'm like, if I'm like, on like mushrooms or something, and I'm like really getting into it, I'm like, no, like no one can stop me. Like I will not stop dancing. And like this is not funny to me, but it's funny to everyone else and I'm so glad it is. But like this is very serious to me. Did you see Starrot? No. S-I-R-A-T is a movie last year that is, it takes place in Morocco and it's at a rave. It's a wonderful movie. It's really, really good. See, I never thought I'd be the type of person to like a rave just because I didn't give my chance to, I didn't give myself the chance to because during the time when I would have been raving, it was COVID. Yeah. So and then I finally like went to a rave with my friend and I was like, this is awesome. Like I was like, this is the best thing I've ever experienced. Oh, that's so great. It's just like straight dancing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And did you like a few weeks after you just felt so much lighter and happier, right? Literally the next morning, I was like, oh my god, last night was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm really, that's why I'm so excited to see the Strokes Friday. That's gonna be so fun. I'm so excited. Oh my god. I miss dancing. I know. I do for a dance. We'll dance. Okay. We'll dance if you want to. Okay. We'll dance outside. Well, Parker, what did we learn today? What did we learn today? We learned. I learned that I need to get off my phone more. Yes. And then I'm really lucky to do what I do. I'm really lucky to do what I do too. 'Cause talking to you is super cool. It was super cool. Because it doesn't matter what people think. It really does and does it. It doesn't. It doesn't matter, right? You be yo. You be yo. I also think maybe you should have some pods. Oh, for do the pod. The pod. God. Yeah. Because this is kind of what it would be like, except we would be facing away from each other. Right. Yeah. Okay. I'll talk to you later. Okay. I love you. [Music]