Session 123: Paul Rudd

(upbeat music) - I really feel like we've been friends for a really long time. A lot of everyone's all your besties have done it. - Uh-huh. - And I've been like waiting to do it. - I've been fully waiting to do it. - And you know what, it makes me feel really good that you feel that way because I sometimes don't view this as like something desirable. - Really? - Yeah, sometimes I feel that way. - Yeah, yeah, I feel like you're very self-deprecating and we have this conversation a lot, but like, which camera should I talk to? Jake is him. - No, and I always say that. And I always say that and then we go out and I'm like, damn, you're really him. - You make me, there's, you make me feel so good about myself. And I hope I can, I hope I can make, I hope that you feel that way when I gas you up. - I felt that way once really strongly with you and I think about it a lot. - Okay, really? - It was the first time that you like genuinely lended yourself to me and your advice to me. And it was like November last year when I was in New York for a long time shooting that. - I remember. - And I was like, yeah, I locked the fucking. - Yeah, you, like there was one call where you locked in and he looked, this is so rare, man, he knows this is rare. He locked in, he looked in the camera and he sat there for 30 minutes and he gave me straight up advice on like how you will feel long term if you act on this now, blah, blah, blah. Like he went on and on and was like, like you were loaning, you're like your advice to me. And you just honestly, you hadn't done that before. (laughing) - Maybe it was just like, damn, he's being a friend. - Right, bare minimum. - No, no, you're the best friend. - Well, first, we need to congratulate Charlie because on what? You just, Charlie just walked the do or cruise show. (clapping) - Thanks guys. Thought you were about to like surprise you with something. - Thanks, Lulu. - No, and that's your number one fan right there. - Well, I'm Louise's number one fan and I have been since day one. - Yeah. - Like I've been locked in and I've been a supporter of Louise for a long, long time. - Mm-hmm. - Louise, do you hear that? - You guys said love you Charlie. - It was a gag. And I felt so, it was so, I kept saying everyone around me like, I know him, that's my best friend. I just thought you did such a wonderful job. It was so incredible. - Thank you. - And I got to say to everyone like, that's my best friend. - You know what, that night, you were also locked into being a best friend. - Because I was so proud of you. - Yeah, it was also like a really just a cool experience and those people like, we don't have to get into it. - Yeah, they're artists, like it was very inspiring. - We need to talk about how you have not seen off campus yet. - No, not a single, not a minute. - But that's something that you would be so locked in for 'cause like you die for this. - I know you know I have a, well I don't really want to say that. - I'll say it. - I struggle with TV generally just because-- - You're a movie person. - I'm, I, like I literally have seen every movie and I love love, I'm very passionate about film. - Very. - And so I struggle with TV because you really have to loan yourself and you have to be like, I'm not going to give you two hours, I'm going to give you like sort of a piece of my mind and like my life. - Didn't you how to get away with Murder? Was that not you? - Oh no, I've done it, I'm three rewatches. - How to get away with Murder? - Yeah, it's like a really pivotal show to me. Viola Davis is like-- - No she's a vision. - She's like on my list of, she's on my Mount Rushmore. Like she is one of the, she's the great, if not one of the greats. - No she is one of actress. - Like yeah, she's, I'm really shook by her and so that's the reason I started watching that show. - And then? - Does it get crazy? - 'Cause like I could, that show I go feral for. - What season? - Did I see that? - Does it get better past season one? - Yes. - But. (upbeat music) - Oh my god. Cut. (laughing) - Let's change topic because not one of these things is gonna make the fucking show. - Yeah, I think this could be funny. - Funny one Liners. - You are probably the funniest person I know. - Are you kidding? - Well, is that true? - I think one of them, like you make me laugh really hard. - Yeah, we do, you know what? It's the we of it all. Like it's the, there's a push and pull. And I'm like one of us is doing one of the other. - Yeah, one of us is going-- - One of us is going. - Yeah, it's like a tug of war. It's like you give me something and then I like yank it and make it really funny. And then you fucking like are hauling it back as well. So the joke never ends with us. And it's like, then we'll bring it up a month later. And like, do you think we're discovering what friendship is for the first time? - You for sure discovered it on that FaceTime in November. (laughing) - That's when you, that's like, I think you realize in that moment what a friend was. - Yeah. - No, I mean, you've always been a good friend, but what I mean is like, in that moment, I think I maybe was like, oh shit. He's like, he's hearing-- - I have feelings and I care. I have selfish tendencies. - Yeah, you have selfish tendencies and also like, like I'm also guilty of this. It's like sometimes it just really does feel like the world is revolving around you because you're you. And like that's, I don't think that people should blame themselves for that unless they act upon it and start being like really openly selfish and start demanding things of people that don't owe them anything. - And you've only done that like four or five times. (laughing) - With me? - Six, seven. (laughing) - You're hurt. - Do you remember six, seven at the restaurant in Vegas? - You know what, what happened again? - It was like, he's just like, he said the fish could feed six, seven. (laughing) You guys like, I am holding on to six, seven. I think it's funny. (laughing) I'm, I think it's like-- - It is pretty funny. - Like, I think it's great. I don't know why we love it and I'm loving it. (laughing) And I think it's our sort of like, our generations. Like, I'm about to be a millennial for loving six, seven. - Right, right, right. But I think the thing about six, seven. - It's not that I'm so like-- - But I think the thing about six, seven is that it made no sense. - And now, when it comes up, it's like, well, six, seven. It can serve six to seven people. - Yeah, like, it's seven, it's there. - It's a joke that walks in on itself. - Yeah, and it's just like-- - Was that described correctly? - Sure, I don't know what that meant. - Like, that's what I, it's like a joke, it's just right there. - It's just right there and you don't have to do anything. Like, are there any, did our generation have a joke like that? I don't think so. Like, just a random-- - Maybe like a jazz. - Like nine plus 10, 21. That was big. - Oh, so I was, unfortunately, that wasn't part of my universe, but I'm actually really interested to hear a little bit more about it. - I think six, seven is funny because six, seven is funny, just 'cause like, I think you're just funny. - Me? - Yeah, like, six, seven jokes aren't funny to me, but the way you just described that was funny, 'cause you're funny. - Well, it's just, for me, it's like the way it lands every time. It's like, if somebody that I don't really know, like, here's six, seven, and somebody's talking, and they hear six, seven, and they go six, seven. I'm not even batting, and I'm not looking over. - Right. - But it's like, when there's a camaraderie about it, and like, when you're with your friends, and like, there's a vibe, like, six, seven is funny. - It's a vibe. - What are you gonna eat? - For dinner? - Yeah. - I wanted to have dinner together, and I didn't know, like, and I know you're moving. - I'm in the middle of moving, and I actually, I'm gonna say what I'm therapist about, even though this is not the whole episode. I'm pissed at Jake at the moment, because he is not understanding that I'm moving, and you're being very selfish. - I know. - He's demanding a lot of someone who gets very unstable in between homes, because the house is a real physical thing. The home is an idea that you build and create, and right now, I don't have that idea around me and within me, and I need my home to, like, really be there mentally, and I'm gonna be in the middle of moving. - So when is it gonna be done? - The truck comes on Wednesday morning, and the truck leaves on Wednesday night. (laughing) - I keep forgetting this is just an intro. - I know, well, now it's making me think, I think we need to do a real-- - I'm like, should we episode-- - Am I even gonna be on Netflix? - Yes. - Is this should this go on my IMDV? (laughing) - Before we go, 'cause what are you doing for the rest of the day? Do you want me to accompany or move at all? Or would that be like-- - Oh, that would be hell. Imagine moving with Jake accompanying. (laughing) That is nightmare fuel. Let's talk about one more thing before you leave. - Okay, who's the clown Audrey Hobart? - It's one of the best albums of all time. - Man, it's me, it's one of the most formative. - Yeah. - Listening to that for the first time was like being 13 in my, I feel like everyone says this, but like really I felt to my core, like it was like I was, a girl in Connecticut in her bedroom, in her, like, professor on her wall, with posters on her wall, with, like, someone that she was Snapchatting. - Yeah, that's how I felt too, actually. And it's like, it's like, she is singing in a really catchy tune, all these very, actually, like, physically uncomfortable feelings, like feeling uncomfortable in your body. She's, like, making a pop song about, like, feeling uncomfortable in your own skin. - Yeah, and it was like-- - But in the bumping. - Yeah, like, you're bumping hard. - Yeah. - And it's, like, sex in the city. Oh my God. - Yes, and it was, like, there was such a shamelessness to that album, like, this is what you were saying. - Yes. - It was, like, oh my God, I've, like, been waiting for something this shameless and this vulnerable without it being vulnerable and, like, moving, which is more, like, Ryan Beatty and Lizzie McAlpine territory where it's, like, those songs, like, really, I feel them deeply and, like, viscerally. But her one, it was, like, oh my God, I'm not embarrassed to be saying these, kind of embarrassing things about-- - Right. - How I feel. - Thirsty tribe? - I mean, the best one on that album is Silver Jubilee and you're not gonna agree. - No, that's Brad's favorite. - Really? - That's Brad, I mean, Brad. - It's just so, like, goofy-- - I'm thinking of it on it, so I don't really-- - I just say at home, but maybe for the sake of the story, we'll take it back to the chorus. - I didn't-- I didn't go to her show. I didn't go to any of it. - Well, don't worry. - She's performing in Edinburgh with Lord in August. - Are you interested? - I'll tell you what, first of all, I'm interested in, let me know in the comments. There are no comments. - Let's modify, there is! - Okay, let's modify their comments. I'm interested in La La Paloza. - Yeah, me too. - Are you been? - Yes, it's amazing. - Oh, you've been? - Yeah. - And you know what, I'm gonna be in town. - It's-- - Town is Chicago, you fucking idiot. - Yes, I am. - You're going to La La Paloza. - I can, can't I? - No, yeah, you said you, I'm gonna be in town. Why are you gonna be in town in Chicago? - It's like August first. - Yeah, but why are you saying I'm gonna be in town? In town is Chicago. - I mean, like in the States. - Oh, okay, that's not how you do that. It's not how you say that. - Right, Charlie, if there's one thing Charlie loves, it's a live show. - I like a live show. I like a Broadway show. I like going to the movie theater, which I consider a live show. - I would love to go to the movies tonight. - Oh, that would be good. - Obsession. - Did you love it? - I haven't seen it, have you seen it? - No, phenomenal. - I think we should go to IPEG and see it. - Yeah, I mean, everyone's talking about it. What do you guys think? - Louise, I'm good at this. - You're like, you're exceptional at it. - Like, you look like I have so much more to say. Can we do another episode? - Yeah. - Do you want to do, yeah. - No stock. - I think so too. - But I can't sell, like I'm not selling it. - It doesn't matter. - But that's not what the full episodes are about. - Really? - It's about like having fun with your friends. That's where this podcast started from. - I don't think I'm worthy. Let's see how this performs. (laughs) So did you have fun on your first therapist experience? - Yeah, I had a lot of fun. It was like, you know what, it was short and sweet. Also, I want to say really quickly, just this is something I was thinking about on my way over here. You can put this in or not, put it in. I just want to claim this idea as mine because I can't figure out what platform is an appropriate place to claim this. But I actually think therapists is a really good place. I just don't want somebody to steal it because I have been vocalizing it a lot, especially when I'm like drinking or whatever. So I just want to really claim this right here now. This is my idea for the movie and no one else's. And I came up with this five years ago. - What movie? - Night at the museum, Madam Two Sods. And I just need to get in front of Ben Stiller. I'm being dead serious about this. I'm talking about that to the camera. - That's brilliant. - That's brilliant. - It's brilliant. And I've had the idea for like five years and I've written a treatment for it. Bibles in the works. Visually, I have no idea what I wanted to look like but it's honestly up to Ben Stiller. I need to put this in front of Ben Stiller. I think this movie is like seriously a really fucking good idea and you could get everyone in on it. You could get everyone in on it and it would be the ultimate gag and the ultimate laugh. And I don't think it's a family movie. I think we get them in the Hall of Presidents and there's some like funny political shit too. I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm really interested in making it. I want to claim that. - We're keeping that in. - Yeah, I think it needs to be made. - I think that needs to be made. - I think it needs to be made. - I think it's something we would not die for it. - Are you actually interested in this? - Yes, I've written a treatment for it but I just need Ben Stiller. I don't want to go through anyone except I want to speak directly to him. So I'm going to find him. - Okay. - Well, thank you. (laughing) - This is just Ben. - So fun. - So fun. - You know what? Thank you. (laughing) - And on tonight's episode, we have - Parade! - Do you do podcasts often? - I've done a few, but I don't do a bunch. I've done Cohnens and Amy Polar. - Oh, well, she's just like the mecca of podcasts. - Totally. - Who else? - She wanted a Gigi for it. - I know. - You guys have caught me on such a good day. - Yeah, why is that? - 'Cause I'm happy. - Yeah. - 'Cause you're here. - It's a Sunday. You're so, people don't know in the day of the week. - Well, your eyes are very beautiful. - Oh, thanks, Jake. - Wow, have you guys ever noticed this? - Well, I'm on the work. - It's a. - Thank you, Manny. Manny's my girl. - It's the light as really. - Oh, which you complimented. - Giant, it's a giant window. - Yeah. - I can't see it. But if they could see what we could see right now, they'd be like, wow, cool of you. - They'd say New York. - Right. - You're from New Jersey. - I am. - North, South, or Central. - I'm from literally like, as you cross the George Washington bridge, right there. - You know, I lived over the George Washington bridge. That's where I grew up in Washington Heights. - Oh, so I lived in Palisades Park. - Okay. So do you call it a turkey ham or a. - Or pork roll? - Yeah, what is a turkey ham, a tailor ham? - A tailor ham. I don't know, I don't know any of this stuff. The only reason that I even know a little bit of that is 'cause of you and Nick Jonas talking about it. - Oh my God, I forgot we spoke about that. - Yeah, and I watched that. - I need to speak about more things. - You said that. - Thank you. - No, no, this is a topic that I think needs with a Warren's discussion, but I don't really know. Maybe you could explain what. - You didn't grow up eating those? - No, 'cause I lived in New Jersey 'til I was about five and a half, and then I moved to a few different places, but I kind of around in high school and I grew up in Kansas City. That's really what I can consider. - Are you on the St. Louis side or the Missouri side? - Well, Missouri is, St. Louis is the, on the far end of Missouri and Kansas City is kind of on the opposite end. But there's like, Kansas and Missouri, and I was on the Kansas side. - You guys just fucking played in my face. Why would you tell me that it's the Missouri side when I said St. Louis? - No, by the way, the Missouri side is really where everyone, I lived, I lived minutes away from Missouri. There's a road called St. Louis on the Kansas side. - So you lived on the Kansas side? - I lived on the Kansas side. If they think it's sometimes, think it's two cities. Is it Kansas City, Kansas, or Kansas City, Missouri? It's one city. But it just kind of, it covers both sides of the border. And there's a street called Stateline Road. And when you're on one side of the street, you're in Kansas. And when you cross the street, you're in Missouri. It's not fascinating. - Do you like geography? - I do. - Oh, I love that. So did you ever go to Arthur's barbecue? - Yeah, sure. - Which barbecue place did, I think we went to Arthur's. - Oh, really? - Delightful. - There's a lot, you know, Kansas City really prides itself on its barbecue. - It's amazing. - I did not feel good after that. - No, it kind of, it kind of, it's like you kind of need to set aside a day. If you're gonna really eat barbecue because you feel like you need to sleep right after. - I just like the sausage links. - Sure. - What do you like when you get barbecue? - It really depends on where you go. - Arthur's. - I don't know, I would probably get, I would probably get burn ends. Or I like ribs and I like pulled pork, too. - I hate pulled pork. - Do you? - I hate when it's pulled. I hate pulled chicken, I hate pulled pork, I hate all that, I hate it. - I think that it was kind of my entry into barbecue. - Pulled pork? - Yeah, 'cause at first, when I lived there as a kid, I didn't even eat barbecue. It's a waste of it. - It's why you don't age. - 'Cause I didn't eat barbecue as a child. - Or a Taylor Ham. - Taylor Ham? I'd stick away, I'd stay away from others. - You begin? - No. - So why don't you age? - But I do. - You don't. - Oh, you're kind for saying, but I really do. - You don't. Do you have Botox? - No. - Shut the fuck up. (laughing) - Look at my face, do you see? - You have no creases, you have no creases, nothing. Okay, well there, if you do that, I have like a full, it's pretty bad. - You know what I mean? - You're like, you're going like this. - Yeah, but it's more than when you go like this. - It is, like, kind of like. - Yeah. - Wait, so you know I found out I have high blood pressure today. - Really? - Yeah. - So what happens now? - Right? (laughing) - Do you have to, like, do you just change all to your diet? Do you have to take medicine or what? - It's funny, 'cause I haven't been drinking for a week. And so I'm like, wait, that doesn't make sense. I haven't drank in a week. I've been working out every day. - Yeah. - So I'm like freaking the fuck out now that I have high blood pressure. What does that mean? Do you have high blood pressure? - I don't think so. - Okay. But I think it means, you know, what do I know? I don't know what it means. But I think that you're probably okay. You know, yo. if you're continuing to exercise and you're eating all right, I'll take care of itself. - You're a young man. I'm like me. - How old do you think I am? - By the way, you're at 26. - You knew that. - Yeah. - Okay. - Are you having fun? - I'm having the time of my life. - What did you expect walking in? - This. - Oh, okay, great. And your daughter is here. - Yeah. - Shout out. - Darby and Charlotte. - Are you guys? - Oh, you play volleyball? - I used to, I can't anymore. - Why? - I go to many concussions. - Okay. (laughing) - Are you okay? - I'm fine now. - Okay, cool. Well Paul, what are you therapist about today? - I tell you, hey Darby, remember, this is something I thought of that both of us were like, oh, when we're in somewhat enclosed spaces where people around and somebody is talking loudly on their phone as if no one is around and they're treating a public space like it's their living room. - I do that. - Do you? - You do, really? - Frequently. - Really? - In Nailsalon, hello, like I'm, I can't help it. I didn't know it was rude to take a phone call to restaurants. - I don't, I think maybe, well, it also, you know, you're, it's horrible actually. You're making me rethink. - No, I, I, well now I feel bad. I feel like I've put you on the spot. - You are such a good person. - You know what? - It wasn't, it wasn't, it, it, no, it's, - It's bad, it's really bad. I also stand up when airplanes land. - Oh, but that's all right. - You think? - I do. - Do you? - No, I don't, well, sometimes I'll be like, oh, we haven't come to a complete stop. - Oh, I'll never get up until we stop. You get up before, you stop? - No, well, I try not to. No, I, I think, well, you'll get it. - What, within if you stop? - Deep. - Oh, you get up, you've stopped, but they haven't. - I mean, come on. - At what time? - I think it's all right, too. - Do you like to travel? - When they say, put the, you know, your seat up and your tray table up and put your computer away and turn your phone on airplane mode, I think all of that is nonsense. - You think the airplane mode thing is nonsense? - I know it's nonsense. - I only put it on airplane mode because it's not gonna work either way, so I might as well save the battery. - Well, I think that, well, that's smart, but I think that there's something to do that it can with a frequency if too many people are off airplane mode to the pilot and they're talking to the control tower, that occasionally it might be an annoyance in their headset. I think I read an article on it one time, but. - You read a lot? - I mean, far amount, but not really. - I don't read either. - What, no. - What? - What? - You don't read at all. - No. - What like, articles, not really. That's-- - I write, hmm, I'm trying to think of the last article I read. - I do read articles. I read the paper. - No. - Every morning? - Yeah. - Like, you get the paper and read it, physically. - I don't get it anymore. Now I read it on my phone, but I used to, I was one of those last, kind of like the last, I like having a paper, I like separating the sections. - Oh! - Yeah. - What's your favorite column? - Everyday, do the crossword puzzle, I like the puzzles, I like the game section. - Do you play wordle? - I do play, I used to play wordle every day, but my wife plays wordle every day. And because we have the same thing, I can't reset it. - So do you know the word today? - No. - Do you wanna play the wordle right now? - Sure. - My wife will do the wordle, and then I'll do strands. So we have an unspoken thing, it just happened, where we, it's like, all right, that's what-- - So do connections, and then I'll do sports connections. - Aw, you like sports? - I do. - Eagles? - No. - Okay. - What's our first word? - Shane. - Okay. I don't know if that's a word though. - It's not really. - Not word and list. - Okay. Well then do shake. - Shake. - Nothing. - Nothing. - Okay. - How about fruit? - Fruit, fruit. - Oh my God, you're smart. - Okay, so we have a yellow for the F, and a yellow for the U. Oh, it's game time for you. - Yeah, that is right. - By the way, this is gonna take up, well, you'll speed this up in the edit. - Okay, let's maybe start with W. - Actually, I don't know if we're just getting siege freight, or I usually figure it out. - I know, me city faster. I think maybe a little bit of that, right? And Puffy. - Yep. - That's it. - Thank you. - I did see a double letter, which is why you know. - Right, Puffy. - Are you a party guy? - Not really, no. - No, not a drinker or nothing. - No. - No. - I am, you know, something, it's just to happen where now, like the idea of getting into bed at about 8 p.m., and not like a list that I love it. Starting the day early. - Like I'm, this is, it's a bane of my daughter's existence where she said she feels like she's living with, you know, like the cast of cocoon. It's just so, I have no, I live such a old person's life. - Have you always been that way? - No. - Did you used to like go out? - Yeah. - Yeah. - How were your 20s? - Yeah, we'd go out quite a bit. I lived here, so it was fun. - You had fun time. - Yeah. - When did, how old were you when you took clueless? - 23, 24, 24 I think. - Wow. - And then how, okay, so how did you get like, was that like, was that one of your first roles? - Yeah. It was. It was the second movie that I ever did, but it was the first one that ever came out. - Okay, and so how did you, what was the audition process like? - I had graduated from acting school. - And why you? - No, it was called the American Academy of Dramatic Arts. - Okay. I had gotten an agent and I'd read some scripts that would, you know, they would send scripts, I'd try and get auditions here and there. And then this movie was getting cast. They were making this movie and there were a lot of parts for young people and kids and stuff. And so I read the script and was like, oh, this is really like, I liked it. I thought it was smart and I thought it was kind of interesting and I went in for the audition. But I didn't know, I was going into audition for the role that I actually wound up playing, but when I went in, I asked if I could audition for a bunch of the roles. - What other roles? I haven't seen the movie in a minute. - So I liked. - You're the stepbrother? - Yeah. I auditioned for, I wanted to audition for Christian. And I wanted to audition for Murray, but I didn't realize that that was African-American. Elton, which was Sisto's part. And then they said, well, would you lead for Josh? - Did you have any idea how big the movie would be? - No, no, not at all. I mean, the whole thing was so new to me. Auditioning was new. I hadn't ever really, I mean, been in a movie. I'd been in one, but I don't even know that if I had done it by the time I had auditioned for Clueless, I mean, I might have done the first movie after I auditioned for Clueless. I don't quite remember, but it was all new. And you can never predict how these things are going to turn out. I think there was something kind of exciting during the table read that we had of it, where afterward all of us, the whole cast, kind of sitting around and thought, you know, we grew up with those John Hughes movies and those movies were really important to our generation. Wouldn't it be cool to be in a movie that for a generation that this is a movie that they kind of will be able to quote later on and was important to them? But you never really think that will actually happen and then it kind of happened. - I did it. Was it like a slow burn after? Did it just, everything is slowed and now you're not. - No, it was a bit of a slower burn. - Okay. - You know, I think with cable and DVDs and all of that, it was successful when it came out, but it wasn't a smash. And I think just over time, it just kind of hung on. - Wow. - Yeah. - I don't know why I thought it was like a heated rivalry moment for you. - No, it wasn't. I never, you know, a lot of the things, it's funny, I was like, things that I've been involved with, had a bit of a slower burn that have lasted. Like Anchorman was an example of one that came out and it did okay, but it wasn't until it was out of movie theaters and playing on cable that it started to kind of pick up. It had been out for a year already. - Do you miss cable? - Well, see, it was such a different time because there was no streaming, there was no anything. I mean, I do miss being able to just kind of turn on a television and flip around. Like now it's just, there's-- - But you can flip around in a different way now. - Yeah, but I just don't, I don't ever, I now just scroll through everything and then I don't pick anything. - You know what I really love streaming for? It allowed me to watch every Marvel movie ever. - Oh yeah, you can do it in order, that's kind of, it's convenient. - Get me on. - So did you miss cable at all or do you like the streaming? - I missed the runs that they would have. Like when I was a kid and I was home, like I would put on oxygen and I would watch, like they would do like a bad girls club marathon. or in America's next model marathon and I would just sit there and I would watch And I would just sit there and I would watch the like the whole season in one day. Yeah, it was a different form of Big J. It's like a marathon of something. Yeah, it was called a man. Yeah, I was TV marathon Yeah, but yeah, I do miss that But now it's nice that I can just pick what I want to watch like I'm watching Casino for the first time. Oh the movie Casino What do you think? Well, it's taking me now three times to get through it And it's it's not to any fault of anyone in it clearly. It's an all-star cast and director. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just like, okay I need to understand. It's a lot of exposition. It's a lot of talking. I don't really know what's going on It's like the 70s. I don't understand any of the terms. I don't understand what the fuck is going on but How many times have you tried to watch it twice? I'm on my third now right in two days granted Okay, but I was high last night. I'm sorry And like I was like sitting there like Good to come in man. It's not a short movie. No But you know what I do love that it reminds me a lot of good fellas great movie last movie ever Fantastic movie wait, so tell me about Ant-Man. Okay. What do you want to know you wrote this script? I didn't know that well It was originally written by Edgar Wright Edgar Wright was the director that brought me on to it and Edgar Wright He did a movie called Sean of the dead and hot fuzz. He's great. I know Sean of the dead He's great director and he and a guy named Joe Cornish another great director wrote this script And then it went through he eventually Edgar eventually left the project it went through different versions and then Adam McKay and I came on and wrote a version of it, but we tried to really kind of preserve what Edgar had really done it man still alive, right? Mm-hmm. Is he in the new doomsday? Yeah, you're lying. Are you excited? Have you shot it yet? Uh, I have yeah, yeah, did you shoot with Lewis? I did I actually met him What we were doing it. How amazing is he what a great guy the best guy ever. Yeah, ever. Yeah. Okay, please forgive me Because I haven't seen the endgame in a few years, but I've seen it a few times. Yeah. What did Ant-Man do in endgame again? Besides save the universe Okay, so he didn't disappear with the snap No Good snapper Wow I mean it's not really that exciting like No, that's actually pretty good. Yes, that was a pretty good. That was a pretty good one Uh, yeah, you do again What How you do it can you do the um I think I'm nervous. I feel like if I was alone I could do it You're okay hold on I can't how you do it how you do it uh Like a water like the water uh Wait, oh wait, there's that Oh, no, that's not good Um What that's a water drop. How do you do it again? Well, how do you do that you go to improv school? I think wasn't there was a guy on Nickelodeon once because Fred Newman he used to do all of these kinds of Sounds and it was he's the host like those Game shows and stuff he had and he I remember once seeing him on TV and he went this is a water you go I just remembered it That we look like idiots How you do it I know you did it one day. Yeah, I yeah, you know when I was a kid I was so jealous of all my friends that were double jointed so I used to take my thumb and go like this And I would like try to make yourself to double joint it but now I can do it I feel like I can do the the thing what I yeah the double jointed thing was always weird as this Yeah, can you do this where you can bend your finger like Oh Why are you full of so many tricks and surprises? That by the way, I think I worked on that I can't do it that much because there's like those other weirdos. They're just like flat I can't feel like I'm trying to be like in marvel This is what it takes to be in marvel. Yeah Oh, that's a pretty good one. Oh wow. How'd you meet your wife? I met my wife actually right after I filmed Kulis So you just lived such a good life I was lucky a matter. I matter I don't like my career is going well. Oh wife It was a good time it was a good moment in time for me. Yeah, I really lucked out. I really lucked out. Yeah, yeah Well, tell me about your new movie power ballad I watched it last night you did the song has been stuck in my head all day. Yeah, it's an earworm, isn't it? It's amazing. Have you heard the song? What you haven't heard the song? Have you seen the movie? You're lying. Yeah It's just work to you. Not it My daughter that's not interested it too much. Have you seen Kulis? It's funny. I never showed it to you. I've never shown my kids any of the stuff But it was you it was one time when you were little babysitter showed you. Yeah Was she that's weird. I know right? I was like wait a minute. Hold on. He'd never seen anything You've never seen anything I've ever done. You've seen her showed you Kulis without your doubts permission. Yeah I was a little bummed out I'll be honest. It's like wait. Hold on. You can't do that. She's never seen anything I had done Here's one time. I had done this Mo the Reno 9-1-1 movie Kind of like whatever kind of it's like it's my job But this is my life and I'm with my family and but my son when he was really little turned on the TV and this Reno 9-1-1 movie Was on television and it was right at a moment when Pat Noswald is it's ridiculous He's shooting me with a machine gun. It's bloody. And so he saw me getting murdered And it was a little kid and it really traumatized him. Maybe I didn't like it. Is he how old is he now? 21 USC was fine. I went to USC. Yeah. Did you like it? I loved it. I had the best time in my life Was that the first time you went out to California? No, I was born in California. Oh, you were and then I grew up in Washington Heights right over the Washington Right George Washington bridge. Right. Do you remember? Okay. I don't know if you remember this Do you remember when what's his face? Who is the very large man who looks ill? Not Trump He was like the governor. He was the governor. Chris Christie. Yes, and he He shut down the bridge. The bridge. Yeah, I think as a political vendetta. Yes Do you know how hard it was for me to get over from school? You got caught up in that Yes, it actually it actually it actually killed someone it destroyed is it killed his political career Well, you know, it killed someone someone. I don't know if this is false news that I'm perpetuating But I think someone in an ambulance died because they couldn't get through. Yeah Sounds ringing a bell Yeah, why? Because I think I heard that. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay Thought you were trying to do remember something else. I was like no. I do I do remember when that happened. It was misery. Yeah Yeah, but he did it to fuck with people. Yeah, I didn't because he was doing it to get back at a at a somebody who didn't endorse him I think yes. There's like a Democrat, you know What are you watching on TV right now? I just finished last night Uh, love on the spectrum. Okay, I need to top in I've heard it's amazing. It is. I've heard it's just like so amazing. It's great. It's great I don't you know everything else that's going on I Fairly checked out on my wife watches all the shows my family like I watch She loved heated robbery rooster. Oh, I haven't seen rooster Is it really like laugh out loud? Yes. Okay. Okay. I haven't seen industry. Which one industry? Uh, what's it? Have you seen industry? You start watching it? Is it? Is it? The filthiest show on television. What's up with all of these filthy shows on TV? Well, it's about stock 20 something stockbrokers in London. You can imagine where that goes I'm more of a love on the spectrum kind of guy you watch euphoria. No I guess you're like what the fuck for that? Well, it's you know, I remember when that came out and people said if you have kids you should probably watch it. Oh god That's not what we were up to though. I don't think it was, but I what do I know? But um, no, I have no Think I'd never sit down and start watching a show Really, adjust when I do I like it, but I don't do it that often severance Severance I did watch. Yeah, severance. I love. Yeah, yeah, the best. It's great. What's your birthday? April 6th You in areas. Yeah What Is that surprise you're so nice. Our airy's not normally nice. They are nasty nasty people. Okay, airy's are nasty people. What's your rising? I don't know your moon I'm not sure When he's when's your birthday? When you wake up in the morning. Yeah, what is the first thing that goes through your head? Oh god, here we go another day really first thing goes to my head when I wake up Um, is, uh, honestly, it's like, get up my coffee and just do the puzzle. Keep away from as much news as possible. I want to, I want my brain to wake up and then, um, uh, and then I'll kind of like start reading articles of like, from the news. Ideally, that's what I was, ideally I will wake up and kind of, I wake up early. And I will, I will try and do things that are not kind of, you know, carnivants and stuff right away. I wake up and check my phone. Yeah. Well, I think everyone kind of does that, right? Yeah, but, you know, it's like, like, I go to bed and I get so excited when I start to fall asleep because I, and I can wake up late because then I wake up to notifications. That's exciting. Yeah, you like waking. It's like kind of like Christmas day. It's better than Christmas. It's a literally better than Christmas. 'Cause it's just like, how many notice? Yeah. And you see like, do you get like texts like do it? Are you, are you getting texts? Do you think we'd be friends? I, I don't know. Do you think we would be? I think we would be. I think, or am I just so kind of like, I think you are, like, you are like a good person. Well, you're a good person. I think that's, comes across. Oh, you think I know you, I know it's true. Oh my God. Thank you. Wow. I needed to hear that today. I wake up and I woke up today and felt like a real bitch. Yeah. Yeah, I woke up and I was like, do you normally wake up in a good mood or a, or a sour mode? Pretty bad. Most of the, most of the time I wake up and I'm like, I want to die. Really? But I wake up, I look at the clock and I'm just like, and sometimes I wake up and I'm like, and usually like, people will be able to tell. Today I woke up and I was like, do you sleep straight through the night? No. Well, yes. I find that something happened several years ago where it's if I would have a glass of wine at dinner, I wake up. I hate, I hate casual drinking. I'm not, yeah. I so I stopped doing, I, he's over. No, I'll still have a drink every now and again, but, but I'm not a heavy drink or anything. But I, I don't like, I don't like drinking and going to sleep and waking up and I'm just the next day. It's not even about, no, I feel like I'm over, I'm just, I just feel, oh, and I like when I'm, if I can get to sleep early and I have a good night's sleep and I wake up and I'm like, right, like that kind of ready to tackle the day type feeling. But I find that that is a little more fleeting and moments and times. Sometimes you get so stressed and it's like, I wake up and my mind's going a hundred miles an hour. I'm thinking of all different things. Alcohol makes it worse. I've been sober for a week as I've told you. And I was with my friends yesterday who were so hungover and they looked at me and they go, how does it feel that like we all went out last night and we feel so horrible today and you like feel amazing? And in that moment, I was like, I do feel better than you. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like I feel not better, but like I was like, well, I feel, I, yeah, I forgot like what it's like to wake up on a Saturday, New York and not be hungover. Yeah. And it's kind of dying away. You just hear the noise of the world and it just kind of crushes in. Hmm. Yeah. What's the most fun night out you've ever had ever? When my wife was pregnant, we were watching TV, we're living in the West Village. And we were watching, I think the sopranos. I've never seen that. It's great. I know. It's great to show. I know. And so we were watching the sopranos. It was like, we're watching in the afternoon, maybe a DVD or something. And all of a sudden, I said, you want an Atlantic city? And she said, yeah. And we went, so we just walked down the street to the dollar rental rental car, rented a car, drove to a Atlantic city. Didn't have a place, didn't have a hotel to stay. I didn't have a, you know, nothing. We just went and walked up and say, we like to get a room. And they said, whoa, we're sold out. Like, you know what, here, just take this. They just gave us these two randos, just gave us a suite. So this is incredible. So we go out to the suite and then come back downstairs. And I go and I sit down right like I've been there for five minutes. And I'm playing a video poker game. And this guy, the pit boss comes over and goes, you hear for the concert? And I said, no, what's the concert? He said, Boston. Who's Boston? Boston's a band. They were kind of like a classic rock band. I they're great. Do they have a hit I would now? Yeah. More than a feeling like something like 70s. They were like in the 1976. I think I was feeling more than a feeling more than a feeling more than a feeling. And then it's something more than a feeling. I mean, dream man. So, um, so anyway, I go, no, I go, when are they playing? And he goes, about 10 minutes you want to go and I said, yeah. So my wife, it comes down. I said, Boston's playing in 10 minutes. And the guy just goes here and gave us tickets like house seats. We see, she's pregnant. We see Boston. It's an amazing concert. We walk out, I got past that machine. I put in like $20 or something and I hit it. And I got like a royal flush, I went like a few thousand dollars. And then we got, and then we went to the suite and, um, and then we just left. I'm like, okay, that's a perfect, there's, they just kept going. It kept getting better and better and better. And it was an, it was an amazing night. That is so beautiful. There was, I thought you were going to be like, I drank until the morning. Like no, seeing Boston with my eight month pregnant. That's really sweet. That's really sweet. Yeah. Oh my god, I love the way you look at life. That's the way you got to, you got to, oh, it's just, you know, it's bad being content, finding those moments and treasuring them. You should listen to Casey Musgraves. I love Casey Musgraves. Do you really have you heard her new album? I've heard the one song dry spell. Yeah. Didn't she just do something with like taking also people who are affected by ice and making them? I mean, come on. Yeah, she's great. That's great. She's great. She's just, she is the one that got me into country when I was 12 years old. Yeah. I heard follow your arrow and I said, wow, I did not know country could be about gay people. Country, I'm a, I love country music. Really? Like old school country music. And then there's some like, obviously modern country singers, I think are really great. What do you listen to? Like what are you listening to right now? What am I listening to right now? What am I listening to right now, Derby? I mean, I guess it's my mom, you know, I listen to her, like, y'all rock. And for like, new hands, I feel like you like the strokes. I love the strokes. Yeah. I love the strokes. I'm very excited for this new strokes album. Yes. Yeah. Do you like the new, do you like the new single? I do. What's it? Shopping? Going shopping? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. What is it? Yeah. I do. I like, I think it's really catchy. I think Julian Casablanca is like a crazy great singer. It's like a rock star. And that's like a rock star. And so I like I know like you know what I mean like two years ago like like I was at the strokes and I turned to my best friend. And I was so excited. I'm always at music festivals. The strokes are always there. And I've never seen them before my favorite song in the entire world someday. Greatest song of all time. And they played it like two songs in and I was on my best friend Will's shoulders. And I was screaming the lyrics. Have you been to Coachella? No. The desert wind was blowing in my face. It was just like. This is it. Isn't that the first album? Is this it? Yeah. Yeah. That's how I felt. And it was like one of the best concerts, best shows I've ever seen in my life. Was it that was that was. Were they your favorite band that you saw or you were there? You know what I loved about it? It was that like I loved every different performance for different reasons. So I saw like one night one I saw you know Katzai. I know who I've heard of Katzai. There are K-pop bands. Right. I saw them with all my gaze and we were having the best time ever. Pinky up. Pinky up. What's that? That's their dance. Okay. One, two, one, two, three. But Pinky up. Pinky up. It was really good. And then after Katzai I saw Sabrina Carpenter who was just to die for. And then we saw disclosure. And that was just like I was like I never want to stop dancing. Right. I just want to dance until my legs fall off. Was that the person that you've been to Coachella before? Yeah. I've had experiences. Okay. Not good. House broken. Oh. And then the other times I thought I was like too cool for it. So I'll think I'll go at 11 and then this time I was like, I'm going to go to the festival. And I had the best time ever. Beaver was just amazing. But then Sunday woke up and I said, if I don't leave right now, I will kill myself. That's a, it was just time. You knew it was time. It was like no fucking around. If I said, we're up, my bags were packed. I said, I'm going home now. And then I got a Benadryl IV and slept for 24 hours. How long did it take to leave? It was quick because we left on Sunday morning. Oh, and everyone was still standing. Everyone was there. They want to see young thug. Got it. Got it. You ever listen or out? Yeah, I paint you as like a JZ guy. No, I mean, I'm like, you know, my, I would say most of my taste that I've learned, most of the stuff that I listen to is so kind of like divine comedy or stuff that's old or bands that are, you know, not really not many people are listening to. Not because it's like that's so cool. Right. It's just I don't know like what's popular. What are the arrows to her, though? No. I did. Did you enjoy? I had a great time. You took her. Which show did you guys see? She took me. I got you. She took you. What show did you guys see? We saw the, what I was out here was in New York. Oh, you saw the New Jersey one. Yeah. I'm so jealous. Do you remember your surprise songs? You don't know. I bet. Let's see. I know you remember. Was it Maroon? Did you guys get Maroon? You guys got clean. Yeah. You guys got clean and welcome to New York. Yeah. The, I don't even know how I know that. I wasn't at the show. I was not at the show. Yeah. Where did you film Power Ballad? I filled it. By the way, how about that? Did you hear that? I did. Yeah. It was I, it's, we filmed it in Dublin, Ireland. Oh, Gorge. Yeah. How was it? Fantastic. I've never been to Ireland. Okay. You got to go to Ireland. Did you touch the gift of the gab? Never heard of the statue that you touch it and then you get the gift of the gab. I think you have the gift of the gab. Really? Of course you do. Ireland is the greatest. You will love it. Okay. But let me ask you one thing. Okay. The food. Okay. Well, I think, you know, it's a cosmopolitan city now and there's and and so there are great restaurants. There's like what are some great restaurants in Dublin that says really put on the spot here. I don't know. Yeah. There's great places. There's some great steak houses. I was like, okay, you always say. Here's a band that like I have never stopped listening to. That's one of my favorites is a band called the Pogs. Oh, I forgot. Okay. So that's so that is that will be where I would veer toward more than anything else really. And that's very Irish centric music. Were you excited to film in Dublin? Have you filmed in Dublin before? I had one time briefly and I'd been to Ireland several times. It's one of my favorite places on that planet. I mean, a lot of people feel that way. And you never touch the gift of the gab. No, I've, I've kissed the Blarney stone. That's the gift of the gab. That's the get. So the gift of the gab is kissing the Blarney stone. Please for me. The Blarney stone that Blarney cast on your cork. Yeah, give you the gift of the gab. Well, that is the gift of the gab. Oh, that's the gift of the gab. I thought it was a luck thing. Yeah. So that I have. Yeah. Okay. Well, that explains it. That doesn't it. Yeah. This episode of Therapus is brought to you by booking.com booking. Yeah. Okay. So what's important this summer is that ideas come to fruition. And the best way of that happening is when you plan a trip with your friends and it becomes real. The most reliable way for that idea to become real is on booking.com. Are you following? So booking.com is the easiest place to book a place to stay for travel. The only reason I went to Vegas. I was able to go to Vegas with all my friends is because we use booking.com to book our travel. At least with my friends are so specific about what they want. I want a tub. I want a shower. I want a tub and a shower. You can put all those needs in on booking.com. And it's it's officially summer. I would go as far to say that it is officially summer. In tonight's episode, I talk with Paul about planning a trip to go to his house and perform karaoke. How can I plan that trip without booking.com? The trip becomes full circle with booking.com. Find exactly what you're booking for at booking.com. Booking. Yeah. Book today on the site or in the app. What drew you to the script? Well, the script I thought was great, but really it was the director. Have you ever seen any of John Carney's other movies? I thought I've seen once. Okay, once is great. I'm lion. You love it. Okay, so so once is terrific. I know I heard. And then he did a movie called Sing Street. I know, but I've heard once is to die for. Yeah, there's just there's something there's something I think with John Carney's movies that all of them that are hopeful and the music is great. And there's something so kind of joyous and celebratory that I love. I love them. And I love their so kind of inherently Irish, which he is. He is. And I'm very I'm very drawn to things that are Irish. And so are you Irish? No, I would love to be. No, my parents are both from London. Oh, yeah. And but I've spent time in Ireland and I just it's just a magical amazing place. And I think that there's something about the mix of kind of the music. The locations and the spirit and with which John kind of makes these films that I I was so excited to work with him. And I had done there was this script power about who's written by a guy named Peter McDonald's who's in the movie. He's the guy who plays Sandy, my friend. Oh, the friend that you were very mean to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And oh, he wrote it. He wrote it. And he's he's a great actor. And he's a I actually had worked with him briefly in Ireland one other one other time. And so what was it? It was a show called Moon Boy. Okay. The actor Chris O'Doward created. And I did an episode of Moon Boy. And that was the only other time I'd actually ever worked in Ireland. Does so does John Carney. Did he write the song in the movie? Yeah. John was a musician as well. Got it. And he's he was in a band called The Frames. It's actually and in once Glenn Hancer is the guy. And they were friends. They were in a band together. And so John was a bassist and music is such a part of who he is. But he started really getting into filmmaking. And so he somehow kind of straddles the line of musician and filmmaker, even though he would say, oh, I'm a he's a filmmaker, but music is so important to him. And it runs through every film that he's done. And he even directs like a musician. It was really kind of a cool thing. You know, we would be, we'd show up at work. And there would be a three page scene that we're supposed to do. And he'd say, nah, I don't think we'd say this. Well, let's let's let's try something and and it would be some sort of improvisation or some kind of new things. He said, let's follow this and let's go like this. And let's let's explore that. And and it it felt like being a musician in a studio. And it's like, you're coming up with some cool. Yeah. And he would kind of trust in that. And there was this vitality and life to the way he works that I just loved. And so I think that it was like, yeah, the appeal of of working in Ireland with him. Music is important to me too. And it was a really challenging thing because I do stuff in that movie that I've never really done before. So like, well, just like kind of the singing and music and the guitar and all that kind of stuff. It was all this, I'd never really. Did you not have to play actual guitar? Yeah, but it's it's not it's like that's not my to it's not my thing really. And so I was it was kind of scary and a little nerve wracking and exciting. I was excited to kind of tackle it all. Did you take vocal lessons? No, you just did it. I just found amazing. Well, thank you. I'm I just did it. But you know, I would say I'm such a karaoke enthusiast that are you? Yeah, what's your karaoke song? I do it so much. I have a karaoke song because I have a we have it at our house. You have a karaoke machine? I have a karaoke on it. We have a I have a pub in my house and I rush pub in my house. And it has karaoke on it. So people come over and and sing all the time. I want to come over for karaoke. All right. I'll be there. All right. What do you think, Darby? Can I come over for karaoke? Sure. You're always welcome. I want to actually come over for karaoke. Please. What do you want to sing? Shallow obviously. No, I mean, obviously we're doing shallow. Obviously. What's your karaoke go? Do you? Do you like karaoke? Okay. So I I truck like I don't really do it often. Yeah. But when I do it, I feel like it's always fucking shallow. It's fun. What's the most fun you've ever had on a job ever? The most fun I've ever had on a job. Anker Man was really fun. I love you. Man was really fun. I love that movie. That was That was really, really fun one to do. Wet Han American Summer was very fun because we were at a summer camp and it felt like being at summer camp. But I think a lot of the comedies are a blast because it's, I just have been able to work with some of the funniest people in the world and it makes going to work such a joy. Did you go to, when you were at acting school, did you study comedy or was it something that just came naturally? No. I didn't. I always loved comedy and I loved comedians and I used to watch SNL and I thought, oh, that would be so cool to be at second city or something like that. But I actually studied theater and I was not a comedy. What was it like hosting us now for the first time? Serial. Yeah, really, it was, I was so excited. How old were you? I was 38, 39, 39, yeah, and I, I was where I was, it was a little, it was a little weird because it was just two weeks after my dad died. Yeah. So it was like, okay, he knew, I had a weird thing going through my head which is like, my dad knew I was going to host SNL and he was very excited for me and now it's happening. But and he's not here. And so it was like kind of wrestling those thoughts with, oh my God, I can't believe I'm hosting SNL. I wanted to do this. My whole life had been a fan of this show. And so it was such a mix of so many feelings and then on top of it all, just kind of sheer terror because in a way, it's like, oh, yeah, it is live. You kind of put it aside and it happened so quickly that people say, okay, just know that it's going to fly by, don't forget to enjoy it. You know, he's getting kind of tips along the way. The musical guest with first time in a host, it was Beyoncé. Shut up. Yeah. And so that was crazy. And also she was in a sketch. You know, do you remember the SNL sketch? Like the famous one. She'd all the single ladies. Yeah. Yeah. So that was my first time I ever hosted was that. Oh, wow. That's a very famous sketch. I know. I remember watching that when I was a kid. So that show was the first time I ever hosted and it was one of those kind of, oh, my God. This is really, really happening. It was a total thrill. Did it, do you think it helped with your grieving process at all? Is that a weird question? Oh, not at all. It's, I don't, yeah, I don't know if it helped or heard or anything. It was just another thing that was, you know, it's like, when you think back sometimes into the past, you think in terms of just these kind of generic, like, oh, that was a while ago. That was a while ago. Like, when I think of the very first time I hosted SNL, I think that was a few weeks after my dad died. It like puts, it puts a weird time in history like I have an understanding of when that was. And so it makes me kind of recall it in a different way. And it was exciting, like I was so sad, obviously, and yet that was so, it was so much fun to do that show. So I suppose in some way, yeah, it helped, I could not think about it for a while. You can't really think about anything while you're doing it. It's very unique in the sense. But it's, it's all kind of wrapped up together for me. Wow. And what project were you promoting at the time? All models. Yeah. That was it. Who else was in that movie? It was. Because I saw it at the time. Yeah. It was Sean William Scott, the other guy, and then Christopher Mince Plus, his kid named Bobby J. Thompson, who's hilarious. Jane Lynch was in it. My friend A.D. Miles was in it. Jolatulio was in it. A lot of Ken Jong was in it. Yeah. We're having to actually beg my dad to let me see that in theaters. Oh, really? It was that. I would have to beg him to see that. It was like that and like bridesmaids and all those movies that were coming out of it. Yeah. At that time was a very big time at the box office for comedy. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You're remembering it. Absolutely. It was. It was, it was, it was very exciting. Judd Apatow was behind a lot of those. Yeah. Not role models, he wasn't, but it was kind of, yeah. A lot of people go into the movie theaters and watching comedies and it was, these were the things to see. And to be around that and be a part of that was really cool. It was a really good age for comedy. Yeah. Was it, was Amy Poler on SNL when you were hosting? No, she had just left by the time I was hosting. Who was, do you remember who was on the cast? Yeah. Well, Kristen Wigg and Bill Hader and Will Forte, Jason Cedacus. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. What a group. What a life. You would be great at hosting SNL is it, it's your dream. You really think that or you're just saying not to say that? Of course. I know it would be true. You're funny. You would, and you would thrive in that. I think like you, I think that you step up to the moment. Tell me more. I think you, I think that you don't, I think you accept a challenge. I think that when you see an opportunity for kind of something to celebrate or go for it in some way that I think that it is inherent in probably in who you are, I'm guessing. I think that like when you did the show, did you have so much fun doing the show? So much fun. And I would imagine like when that came about, you were nervous. Sure. But probably like, oh no, I'm doing this. This is something. Like you were, there was no second guess I had. None, right? Yeah. There you go. Wow. And also like that, that, you know, that, oh here's an interesting thing. The very, when I first hosted one of the headwriters, Simon Rich. No way. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see all out? No, and I didn't see you do it because, and the reason why was when you were doing it, I was away the entire time working on a movie written by Nathaniel Rich, Simon's brother. And is that movie out yet? No. Well, of course not. You felt it in December or January, whatever. Yeah. Wow. So I was in New Orleans. Kind of kismet with us. A little bit. Okay. Do you want to do the Tommy what's wrongs? Yeah. Are you familiar with my stuff at all? Yeah. I am. I've watched, I watched, by the way, well, first of all, my daughter has always been like, Okay, you, you look at this, check this out, like, oh, he just did talk with Nick Jonas. I did. Yep. And so then I kind of went, went down the rabbit hole a little bit and I was all excited. Also, the very first episode with Bejeweled. And I saw Bejeweled. You watched The Jewel, yeah. I saw Bejeweled. Yeah. And I would, but I was also like, oh my god, he's doing an entire episode on Bejeweled, which is a game I have on my phone. I'm like, oh, no, it's a different Bejeweled. I'm dying. Do you know how nervous, I was more nervous to film that first episode than I was for anything ever, really ever. I think it was the first time Nolan and I had met in person. I was so anxious. I didn't know what to talk about. I kept screaming at Julia, my best friend. Like I was just a, do you remember that? I kept making like weird Mormon jokes that we had to cut. Like I went on a whole tangent about Mormons that I had, and we had to cut it. Louise was like, why would you say that about that? I don't know. I don't know what to say. It's really a nerve wracking thing. You know, it wants you to start talking. I was like, was it something you like, I know I want to have this podcast. This was a goal or did it just like how I, so I was kind of at like a crossroads. The sack was on strike, and I had, I was like, I really wanted to act. There was nothing going on at the moment. And I had quit my job, and I was like, a podcast would be fun. And it seems low pressure enough. And my manager's act was like, you shouldn't expect to see any growth until you hit the two year mark. If you're consistent with it for two years, then you will see growth. And to my surprise, it happened more quicker than two years. And now I'm speaking to you here. Did you always, you always want to be an actor? I love acting. I was just in my first movie, The Summer, with Lewis. And it premiered at Southby, similar to Power Ballad, and I just find it to be the most rewarding thing. You had a great time doing it. I had the best time. My favorite thing is like, if I make a joke from like riffing, and then you hear like video village laugh, it's like the best feeling in the entire world. I love hearing, everything always came from me trying to make my friends laugh. So then if I'm making people laugh, it's like, that's the most rewarding. I'm with you. I feel the same way. When you were kind of growing up, what were some of your favorite things? Did you like comedy more than other things? My favorite movie was Bridesmaids. But my favorite movie of all time is Devil Wars Prada. I just find it to be like a bible of how to live life. We had this conversation on the way over here, by the way. You did? What's your favorite movie of all time? My favorite movie of all time is Stap Brothers. Stap Brothers? Boy, I don't know if I have a favorite movie of all time. One of them is a movie called With Nail and I. It's one of my favorite movies. With who? It's called With Nail and Die. Okay. But there are so many movies that I sit in possible questions. I just love bridesmaids like taught me how to be funny. And then the Devil Wars Prada taught me to never quit my job because it was hard. Have you seen the Devil Wars Prada? Yeah. Several times. What do you think about her leaving in Paris? Like, what's your take on that? When she tossed the phone in the fountain and it's like, "Black Lives, I'm leaves." I think it's essential for the film. I know, but do you think it was a good decision? No, you're working for Miranda Priestly a roadway. Yeah, you feel like she needed to stick with it just a little bit more. I just think she had more in her than she thought. Like, she thought she watched Miranda Priestly kind of fuck over Stanley Tucci. Yeah. And she was like, "Well, that could happen to me." And it's like, "Well, it could." But Andy had so much potential in her that I don't think that she would ever let that happen to her. But what would she be sacrificing in her personal life? Everything. But as Lady Gaga once says, "Your career will never wake up and tell you it doesn't love you anymore." Mine did years ago. No, we didn't. These are the tell me what's wrong now. I can't wait. Okay. My friend keeps trying to get me to go on a trip with her, but she just gets so drunk whenever we go out. And I know it would be just signing up to babysit. I want to plan more trips for the summer without hurting her feelings. But I don't know how to tell her that she would be a terrible travel partner. Ooh. That's kind of a dilemma, isn't it? You have to say you're an alcoholic. She's an alcoholic. She's a straight-up alcoholic. I mean, if you're babysitting your friend every time you go out, yeah, that's how it is. Well, I say every single time, it's like, come on. And if you're taking trips, what kind of trip are we taking? Are we taking some place? We're gonna learn like something historical. So what you're gonna learn now, is that we don't have contacts to usually with any of these questions. There's no contacts. So we kind of just have to like go off our gut instinct. My gut instinct is telling me you're up. Yeah. Here's the thing. If this is bothering you so much that every time you go out, your friend is drinking and it's making it miserable that you're going to write in a question about it, then you already know your answer. It's gonna be, yeah. You say I can't go on a trip with you. It's gonna be, yeah. It's a nightmare, yeah. And then they'll look at you and you'll say, no, I won't do that. And then what do you do then? Friendship over, huh? Life is hard. It really is. How do I deal with someone who literally is the biggest manipulator and pity party me? My whole friend group goes through faces of hating her of me, but they always fall for victim complex and go back. Me, yeah. I am the only one who calls her out and it frustrates me so much. How do I deal with this without seeming like the confrontational one? Yeah, oh gosh. Life is short, you know, it's I think that if this is, if you really care about time, and this is what they're doing, and you're confronting them, which he clearly is, where he clearly is, and it's just getting to be too much of a drag than spare yourself. And do what though? Her whole friend group goes back to them always. And then, yeah, I think you just kind of like, all right, friendship maybe takes a take one step back. So maybe you need to make new friends entirely. Or just be like, all right, can you hang with this and just kind of ignore it? Don't take any of this. You can't ignore that. You can't. Well, if it's making you upset, then every time you go out, you just like, you know, you got to, you might need to dump the whole group. That's what I'm thinking too. Just take some break, make some new friends, go on a run club, you run? On a treadmill occasionally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. I'll bike. You bike? I totally see that for you. No, you know, that was a real thing like this idea of like getting real cycling. Like they're those guys that go like all through, like, niac and all that and they get involved in that. I'm not that kind of cyclist, no. Oh, speaking of cyclist, do you watch True Crime? Like in general? Yeah. I'm gonna have seen some True Crime. Do you care about True Crime? Not really. You gotta watch the show on Netflix right now. Should I marry a murderer? I that sounds so unappealing to me. Cyclist. Okay. Dad. That's it. That's it. That's going with that. That's the teaser. It is actually crazy. Has anyone seen it? Do you want me to tell you? Yeah. She basically, she basically, like this woman is like so down bad. She's had this horrible breakup and meets this guy on Tinder. She goes, like, he's a little bit of a drinking problem. You know, she's like, he's a little bit of a drinker, but he's like this like hot, like welder. What does he do? Something with his hands. Oh, he's a farmer. And he's, no, he's not a farmer. Is he a farmer? It's like on a farm. He like does handy work. So it's like hot to her. Okay. He proposes to her, right? Proposes. Yeah, he proposes, like after a few weeks or months, whatever I forgot. And then he proposes to her and then he drives, and that's not funny, it's horrible. And he goes, he's like, keep your phone in the car. I have to tell you something. She goes, okay. And he goes. One time I was really, I drunk drove home and I drove over the cyclist and we buried him. And she was like, what, and then so they go home. And she's like, and then they fall asleep, so she's googling, the cyclist has been missing for years. Years. So she's like, oh my god, what do I do? What do you think she does? She continues with the relationship. She's like, well, he's supposed to come for Thanksgiving, and everyone is supposed to do. Actually, does she bring him the Thanksgiving dinner? It's crazy. You should watch it. It's crazy. And it gets crazier from there. She stays with me. No, it gets like, oh my god. And everyone's watching. It's probably like, oh my god, fucking turn him in. But she was like, the funniest part of it is she's like, I told my parents about him. So what am I going to do? And it's like, right? You told my parents about him. So you have to bring him for Christmas dinner, even though he's a murderer. And the best part is, the best part is, I was always wondering how in a true crime shows, they show like found footage, and it's always like-- and it's like the girl, the VHS cam. It's now like videos of them with the doggy Snapchat filter. Did you notice that? So it's like it feels like kind of the new generation of true crime. Like, all her videos are with the filter. All her Snapchat videos with him, they all have a filter on them. It's the weirdest thing. That's so crazy. Like, it's-- you don't care. No, I do, I do, I care. Like, I'm following this. This is interesting. And I do want to know how that plays out. Me too, but I'm in the middle of Casino, as you know. Yeah. And I have to finish that. Yeah, well, that's going to take a while. Three hours. You know, though? I don't. You got to sit down and just go, all right, I'm going to do it in one fell swoop. It's not a huge commitment. I knew you were going to say one fell swoop. You did. You just end up so hard right there. I was like, he's about to say one fell swoop. It's like, you know, that was never even a consideration back in mind. When you would-- you'd watch a movie. He's like, oh, yeah, no, because you actually had to go to the movie to see it. And we're like, all right, I'm going to watch it. And then it's done. And it's great. Or even if you're watching it on HBO or something, I was like, oh, it's great. But now we stop and you do it in segments. And we've lost something. Have you ever walked out of a movie? Yeah. Have you? No. Do you like scary movies? I love scary movies. What's your favorite scary movie? My favorite scary movie. The one I've been the most scared of was the Conjuring 2. OK. Just because there's a scene. A good jump scare isn't a jump scare where there's a lead up to it. A good jump scare happens out of literally nowhere. And there's a insane jump scare in the Conjuring 2. But I would say my favorite scary movie of all time-- what's yours? I do really like the shining. Yeah. God, that's good. Not one of your favorites. That's good. Right. I didn't frighten me. Yeah. Well, I like-- I mean, I'm like, jump scares. I'm kind of like, meh. Oh, the ring. I love the ring. Yeah, well, yeah. And the ring goo, the original-- Yeah, the original. I've heard it's terrifying. Oh, man, that was-- that movie's really scary. There's another movie called Audition. That was really terrifying. I love the purge movies. I've seen every single one. I just saw a hook 'em. Me too. What? It's amazing. I thought it was very scary. Yeah. You want to know what my favorite TV show, Scary TV show of all time is? The haunting of Hill House. I've never seen it. Oh, I fuck. It is unbelievable. Really? The director, Mike-- do you know who Mike Flanagan is? No. He does the haunting of Hill House, the haunting of Blight. Man, our midnight mass, which is also amazing. But the haunting of Hill House, it was very scared. I was very scared, but it was very moving. And do you listen to Gregory Allen's club? Oh, yeah, not a lot. - You know who he is, but yeah. - They have a great needle drop with him in the final episode that ties it up, it's just the best show. It is one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life. - Okay. - You have to watch it. If you're down. - Yeah, I am, I'm like, I'm not a huge scary. - It's very scary, but it's like very scary. - But yeah, there was a movie when I was a kid that scared me so much. I just had like the Shining Scariest Movie that I've ever seen, the Scariest Movie, I've never seen was a movie called Magic. And when I was a kid, I went to a movie, and they were showing previews, and they showed a preview of this movie Magic with Anthony Hopkins, and he's a ventriloquist, and he has this dummy. And there was something about the puppet. It was so scary looking to me that I freaked out. I couldn't watch it. And then like that, like going home at night, I remember as I had a sleep with my parents' room, I was like, really? - How old were you? - I was like, 30? I was probably, I was probably like, I don't know, like eight or nine, or something. - Oh. - Like nine maybe. And then one time, like a week later, I was up in my parents' room. I was watching TV, they were downstairs, and the commercial for it came on, and I freaked out, and I ran downstairs, I'm like, I saw it, I saw it, and my dad said, all right, we'll go turn the TV off. I'm like, I can't go up there. I couldn't go up there. And he's like, god damn it. And he's like, he had to get out, he had to go turn the TV off. And it started an evening of complete meltdown. 'Cause I had a lot of fears when I was young. - Really? - Yeah. - What else were you scared of? - I was just scared of, this thing was like, I think that they capped it off though, and then I, like, I think after that, my mom took me to go talk to a therapist. - Oh, you have great parents. - Yeah, but no, I was scared of, like, there was a moment in time when I was, I think about five, I needed everything taken out of my room, because I was just scared of stuff in the dark, and I was scared of things on the wall. - Yeah, that's a day. - No. - Okay, sorry, just wondering. - No, no, no. I think I just, yeah, I think I had some, I think I was fearful as a kid, yeah. I also had many fears. - Really? - I've realized now, I have health fears. Like, my high blood pressure today, I'm like, gonna be, you, do you understand? When you, if you ever take a look, do you have Instagram? - No. - Okay, if you ever just, like, look at my Instagram later, I'm going to post about my high blood pressure, and it is going to be my bit for the entire week that I have high blood pressure, and my dad is going to call me for re-game the fuck out that I have high blood pressure, and it is going to ruin my week. - Did you have, like, a physical, and then-- - At an IV, I got an IV. - Okay. - If you ever got an IV, like, someone's come to you and give you an IV. - Yeah, like a B12, or something? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I was, yeah. - And I never, every time, great blood pressure, great blood pressure, great blood pressure, great blood, hi, it was hi. - Well, this might have been a fluke thing. I don't have a baby. - But I haven't drank in a week. It doesn't make sense. - Did you try and do it again? You've only done it once. Three times, and all three times, they said it time-- - It was yellow, as if I had a fever. I was like, what the fuck is going on? - But three times in the same day? - Yeah, I just, I just, literally, right before you got here. - Oh, it looks okay. I don't think you should worry about this. I think you should, and you get a test set again in it. (whooshing) - I'm-- - Call her me worried. - Your hypokundriacle. - Yes, extraordinarily so. - Always? - Yeah, but it's weird 'cause the other day, I saw something leaking out of a plane as I was about to get on it, and I was like, fuck it. (laughing) Like, one time I was on a plane, and they couldn't get it working, and by the third time they go, there we go, and then they took off-- - Hey, I met. - And at that rate, I'm just like, well, if you know, take me. - That is so healthy. - I know, but then it's like high blood pressure will send me into psychosis. Okay. As fans of the show, is this a good episode? - Yeah. - Oh, period, she's like, yeah, so fast. - Is it, 'cause she's like, yeah, so fast. - Honestly, it's my, 'cause I do worry, like, oh my God, am I just putting everybody to sleep here? - No, how could you ever? - You're Paul Rudd. (laughing) - I don't think, I don't think, I don't think that I'm, that engaging in these settings. - That is not true. - You don't think so? - 'Cause I don't self-esteem. - Not really, but I don't think that I'm, I offer too much. - That is not true, you're America's treasure. (laughing) You are. - Say you are Jake. - No, you know, many would disagree with that. - Okay. - Help, I ended up the saluteration of my, what the fuck is a saluteration? - It's the, it's, oh, it's right below. - It's the auditorium. - Right below. - Validictorian. - So it's like the penultimate valedictorian. - Yes. - You're so smart. - You're so smart. - I love penultimate episodes. Those are always better than the season finale admit. - They are. - They are always better. - 'Cause they really sent it off. - The Game of Thrones penultimate episodes. Best in the game. You didn't watch Game of Thrones? - No, I didn't. - I didn't. - Yeah. - Help, I ended up the saluteration of my class, and now I have to give a graduation speech. I have no idea what to write about. I don't care about any of these people and have the worst stage, right? Please give me ideas. So I've actually never heard of a saluterorian giving a graduation speech. - Yeah. - I'm a valedictorian. But I would say I love speech right now. So if you wanna follow up, I will help you write your speech. I love writing speech. It's my favorite thing to do. When I was in high school, my mom had a printout of my speech next to her computer. And she would reference it every time she needed to write something like a speech. - That's nice. Did you take speech classes in school? - Just one. And I was just in natural. I was really good at it. It was one of the things I was just like really good at. - Yeah. - I love giving speeches. - I could say, do you like giving toasts? - Yes. Oh my God, in college, I would literally get up and do a toast every five seconds during the pregame. They would get more emotional, the drunker and drunker and drunker and drunker I got. - Are you a toaster? - Yeah. Yeah. - I like to get at somebody's birthday or wedding or something. - Okay, that's my birthday. - Okay. - Oh my God, it's my birthday. And Paul wants to make a speech. I want shh. There are, there. (laughing) I'd like to make a toast to the man of the hour, Jake. Jake occupies a very amazing space, which is he entertains us all. He is so funny, but there's a kindness to Jake. There's an underlying, we are simultaneously entertained by him, we laugh at him, but we are about him. No, we are a part of Jake's journey. Jake is inclusive, Jake brings us along. There's not many people that can do that, that can carve out such a specific role with such a unique and hilarious and opinionated voice. And so I would say all of us, let us raise our glasses to toast our friend. We are continually honored to be a part of your journey. And thank you for bringing us along. I think every one of us is so elated to be here tonight to celebrate you. I've also, I gotta leave by 10. - Okay, cheers. Thank you guys. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you, my God. Okay, now back everyone, please drink. Please eat, have the best night. Like I hate those things seriously. - That was amazing. - That was an amazing. - I thought that was amazing, I thought so. - It was like, you know what it is? Here's the thing with a toast. And this is the same thing that the penultimate valedictorian needs to know. You need to come, it was like, all right, enough that there's going to be some self-deprecation, some laughs, you can go a little far in one direction, but you always bring it back to something heartfelt. - Always. - And always. And it's nice if you can kind of start off and be a little abstract and funny or whatever. And then bring it back around to like some really some genuine sincerity. And then on the way out, if you can get one more little kind of trickle cutter, little joke in there to enhance the sincerity and not undermine it, then it's a winner. - Well, I think you just won. - Oh, I'm gonna be thinking of a toast, the entire ride home and thing. - I should have done this, I should have done this. - Really? I thought that was just very beautiful. - Well, mostly because it was about me, but I really did think it was beautiful. - So when you were growing up, your birthdays and your birthday parties were never, you never overlapped Halloween and your birthday. - No. - I had a Justin Bieber themed birthday party when I was like 10. And then I always had my birthday party at ramen restaurants. I'm actually now thinking about it. Twice now, maybe three times, I had it at two different ramen restaurants. - Which ones? - Zudo in Tribeca and Wagamama and Chelsea. - Great. - Great, you like ramen? - I do. I love Wagamama. - Wagamama is the shit. Do you eat it when you film in London, ever? - Yeah. - Yeah, it's the shit. Check out your curry, fire. I don't eat that actually very often, though check out supermarkets. But I just know that's why I chicken ramen. Yeah, this straight up. Yeah spicy the chili raw man pretty good Yeah, the chili romans what I go for. Yeah, well Paul. What did we learn today? I learned like some good shows on Netflix that I need to watch you have to watch the haunting of Hill House Yeah, and you have but I right now just for the zeitgeist of it all should I marry a murderer you have to this is a thing a lot of people are watching right now It's a big it's a big deal. It's number one on Netflix. Oh really and it's been number one for like more than two days So that's when you know like people are like and like continuing because sometimes there will be a show Oh, and it'll be like number one and then it'll fall off. I think that what I like about love on the spectrum is it's so opposite all of that. It's just Sweet sweet. Yeah, yeah people really ride for that show. I just think that the the it's everything is so bleak I just try and find laughs and and Happiness in every single way. I just want that and you bring that to so many people Well, thank you. It's true. I don't know. So are you mad at taking compliments? Well clearly, I guess I I love taking compliments. I am the biggest I always I always I say I always have a rod out I'm always fishing. Yeah, yeah, I look so fat today Louise. No, you look This is so saggy today. What are you talking about? It's you look fantastic. Thank you See I'm always fishing and I always catch a fish Well, Paul well, Jake Thank you for coming on therapist. Thank you. Did you have fun? I did would you do it again? Yeah, of course Are you asking if I'm going to double dip like Glenn Powell? Yes, I'm asking if you're going to double dip like Glenn Powell sure Okay, but the next time we do this Yeah, because there will be a next time. Okay, in your pub Okay Wow, you want to you we're gonna go there. That's gonna happen. Yeah, all right. I don't make plans lightly Sometimes I do sometimes I don't this isn't a light plan. All right Paul. Do you want to give a little five pussies five pussies? You