Session 121: Myha'la

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It has, it has sex, it has drugs, it has high anxiety, high pressure. I think what we love about it so much is that the character arcs are so well thought out. It reminds me of dark on Netflix, in the sense that like, I don't know how we got from point A to point B, but it was done correctly because you can look back at point A and understand how we got to point B. Yes. Do you know what I mean? It's like where Yaz is right now. You're like, if you saw Yaz season one, you'd be, and I said to you, where she ends up in season four, you'd be like, in what fucking world? But also like, yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense because they do it so well. Yes. Favorite episode? You know mine. My favorite episode is the finale of season three. Yep. I was about to, okay, I was going to say a different one. That is my favorite. When her and Yaz and Rob knows spoilers, but if you're going to watch these two episodes, just prepare for spoilers. It's industry week. We will be talking everything. And also why would you not watch this show? Like, but the end of that episode, I cry, I'm so overwhelmed with emotion. Because you understand why Yaz chose to say, yes, I really hope Rob comes back for season five. I do. He will. I do too. I like totally get the vibe that he has to. And also, oh my god, when he, okay, go, go. One other thing about industry is obviously I have no idea what's actually going on. In finance terms? Yes. Yeah, obviously. But my Paula says, she's like, I also have no idea. And it doesn't matter. Yeah. That's why you know it's so good. Yeah, I have no idea. But I just know based on her delivery, whether it's a good or a bad thing. Can we also talk about them as actresses? Like seeing them in these episodes was so amazing. They're the coolest people in the world. You're the coolest people in the world. And then you meet them in person. And you're like, wait, you're even cooler. This was it. It was a good week. Industry week. Yeah. Industry is the best show on television period. And I'm so jealous of those that get to binge it. Luis has seen it twice. The whole thing. I have seen the first three seasons three times. How? Why? A third? Is a gift, Marisa is a gift. The show is a gift. If you have not watched industry, please watch it and enjoy tonight's episode as always. To leave it, tell me what's wrong. Go to pastthatplus.com. Click, tell me what's wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Love you, Pussies. Realizing I haven't done that all season. All right. Well. Love you, Pussies. Enjoy the episode. Welcome. Thank you. Puss, I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. Thank you so much for having me. The greatest gift to be on a long running show and to still say eight years in like I'm so passionate about these. Eight years in? Yeah, we started shooting in 2019. Holy shit. And when it's all said and done, it will be a decade. Wow. Crazy. And it's so funny. I was watching. I was finishing season four of the other day and it's it's it's one of those where I do You have to binge it because I can't wait week by week. I can't do it. It is too fucking stressful. I don't blame you. I think a lot of people feel that way. If I was just watching the show, I would feel the same way. Like there is something ingrained in my memory is her per chewing her gum. Oh, yeah. Season one. And just bleed it. I will never forget. I don't even mind you. I don't even know what the fuck is going on. No, not the drugs. Yeah. I don't even know either. Yeah, I read that you were like, I ask if it's a good financial thing or a bad thing and I run with it. 100%. 100%. I'm like, I have no idea what is going on financially, but I just know by the way you're playing it, if this is a risky situation or not. 100%. I think that's my job. As long as people think that I know what I'm doing. I do. Okay. Great. I do. I was like, oh, she doesn't know. Great. I don't know either. I don't know if it's going to be a good financial situation to be like the finance, whatever. As long as you're sweating and crying and you're earning and lasting, then we've done our job. You, it is really, you have done such an incredible job. I am lowkey. Like, I feel like a groupie of yours. I watch everything you're in, bodies, bodies, bodies. Leave the world behind. Like, thank you so much. You're incredible. And I'm just like so happy that you get to play these like incredibly complex characters. Thank you so much. I mean, that's like, that's my thing. I don't want to do anything idealistic or simple or whatever. Like, I am deeply, deeply invested in humanity. I think people are so interested. There's nothing more interesting to me than like a messed up person. Yeah. I want to know, I want to know what makes them tick. I want to know why they got messed up. I think probably on a level because I want to know why I messed up. You know what I mean? It's as much about, it's really, really cathartic. There's also some stuff that like I get to do that I would never do in my real life. Yeah. I would never move the way Harper Mooshie is cuckoo. She's cuckoo, but like, she's cuckoo, but you kind of see at the end of season four, I've for the first time in the entire show her morality like coming out. Yeah, totally. And being like, I mean, that fucking final shot of them being like, do you want one more season? I'm so glad you're excited. When we're shooting that, actually, it was so funny because the first couple of takes, they were like, okay, my hollet, we're just on your face, so you're going to like give her a look. And the first time I was like this, you know, I want more, they were like, okay, maybe a little more subtle, like calm down a little bit, but I was like, I want more. Every season, I was talking to Marisa about this yesterday, I was saying I feel like the official industry podcast at this point, like, but you, they, Mickey and Conrad, they plan it as if it's their last, right? Always. Yeah. I mean, I think that's smart because the truth of this whole business is you really don't know if you're going to go again. Right. I put you in contract for the three, five, seven, but I think how it's, at least my experience has been there, it's never guaranteed until they see some more scripts and they feel excited about where they want to go next that they get a green light. And then we all are like, okay, we're going again, but it's really always a question mark. So I think writing as if it is the end is totally smart. And then it gives you a serious challenge to write yourself out of it. And I think making Conrad do a really, really good job of that every, every year. And they're ex-bankers, right? Yeah, yeah. I think Mickey did like five years and Conrad did three. And then did they meet like via banking and then just like come up with this idea? They met in school, they met in, in university. And they were, they were like a sort of creative pair for a long time. I think they were making shorts and they were shooting their own stuff. I think maybe Mickey got involved first and then they both came up with the idea that inspired industry. They did something quite similar and then they were like, oh, this is, this is the story we want to explore. Yeah, as men and Harper's relationship at this point is like, you're, I don't even know what the fuck is going on with them, but it's like it's the only love, like they love each other down. Yeah. But like, where in an ideal world for you, like, where do you want to see them end up? I think sentimentally, obviously, I would love if they were like, we, uh, sisters and they got together. Like, they, they have had so many like moments of vulnerability and connection, especially in this, like that, that bar scene in episode seven before the club. - That's gonna go down in history. - Thank you, I mean, it's a, that was sort of like an accumulative, final straw, we have nothing else to do but absolutely be totally honest, no, I'll tear your motive, nothing was pure, pure love. And then it sort of all goes to shit. But I think about them as sisters. - Yeah. - I don't know any other relationship besides sibling one where you could really say like the meanest fucking thing. I want to hurt you so badly. And the next week they're like, hey. - They've hit each other before, right? - Yeah, we slapped the shit out of each other. - Yeah, you did. - Like, and it's gotten to the point where it's like, you're like nothing is surprising with the two of them. - That's true. - You're like, I can't even, I'm like, try to collect my thoughts but there's like so many. Like, you're basically like the entire season or those that don't know. Harper was betting on the demise of Yasmin's husband's company. And when Yasmin finds out, like, you kind of do it and you kind of like, you kind of like make eye contact. - I told you. - The name of the game. - Yeah. And even, I mean, I think another like, signal that there is real love there is for the first time Harper tries to warn her. Like, she really tries to warn her. - Yes, yes, I was shocked when she did that. I was shocked, like, you brought her, you were like, look, I'm shorting the company. There's some shit going on. And I was like, oh, because in my mind, I'm like, that fucks with Harper's game because she can go and fucking fidget and figure things out and fuck up her short. - Yeah. - And like, sound like a finance guy. But like, really, that, I was shocked when Harper did that. - Yeah, I think this whole season has been a big, was a big challenge for Harper because where she's always been business-minded, she truly does try to protect the people that she cares about. I mean, even deciding to work with Eric, I mean, that is risky. Like, that is also another really sorted, complicated relationship built on a lot of trauma. And she goes into it with a more open heart than you might expect of her. - I was shocked. (laughing) Harper shocked me. - Harper shocked me too. - But this was like, sort of the only way we could go with her because we've seen her be a shark, steely, been conniving and completely self-serving in terms of business. And this was the first season where I thought, well, I mean, we could do the same thing, but that's not true to Hume. Like, we all evolve, we all grow. And I think the question is, once you have everything, you've always dreamed of that you've worked so hard towards, which is what she's got. She's her own boss. She has employees, she's got agencies, her reputation on the street as a market mover is solid. Now what? Like, you can make money and make money and make money. Now what? And especially by the end of the season, she has all those things and she has no one to share them with. She's lost her whole family, her brother, her mother, her dad has never been in the picture. She loses Eric. She loses Kwabana. And sort of then, sweet P, that relationship is tainted. And now she loses Yasmine, her last ship. That's it. She's totally alone in this world. And she has all this money, but who cares, you know? Right, she's so lonely at the end of it. Yeah, she's completely alone. And I love that you bring up that final image because I think that question, are you done? Have you had enough? She's really asking herself, have I? And she also happens to be on a PJ. So like, maybe she hasn't honey. Maybe not. Maybe not. But that final episode was just so gutting. What was your big reaction when you got this grip? Well, look, I mean, it's not that it's not totally depressing. It's horrendous. It's also, you can see the steps. You see exactly how we got here. Her people hurt people, you know, it's heartbreaking. And I think, as Harper, like playing it, there was because of all of this loss. It was just so much shock. I think, you know, when you're like running on E, you haven't slept, you haven't eaten. Something tragic has happened to you. And you really feel like you're at the bottom of the barrel and then one more thing happens. Yeah. And you just, you don't even have the energy to be devastated. You go into that sort of like comatose. And you see, I mean, you see her right after the conversation. She's just in the bed. Like, if we had eight more episodes, she'd be there in the bed. Yeah. Just being like, what the fuck now? No shower, none of it. Yeah, so I was really looking forward to exploring what that sort of void feels like. And what does a person do to try to soothe themselves? And it was, I think one of the most challenging parts was justifying, finding the love in her still choosing Kwabana after all of that because she says in that scene after that, like, they have a moment of connection. Despite him coming back and saying, I just cheated on you again. And I don't think you want this. It's like, girl, why would I want this? You keep fucking with me. But it's like, she's desperate. Is that relationship even like? He's like, he's almost like begging you to be like, don't do this. And you won't. You're like, OK, well, there's so much, so much humiliation. Like the amount of energy that it takes her in that moment to be like, to be honest at all, to be like, how do you expect me to function with you, you know? It takes so much guts. It's also totally not the Harper we know. The Harper we know would be like, well, you know what I mean? And she would start another fight. She would get mad. She would probably do something to him, fire him. I don't know. But she doesn't. And that's like one of the beauties of being on like a long-running thing doing TV in general is you really get to evolve a person. You get to explore how time, space, relationships, the world affects them. And you get to explore who they want to be. Because I think I'm asking myself this question every day and I'm making new decisions towards who do I want to be today and beyond. And I think that's really cool. It's really cool. And you've like the whole you and the whole concept and such an excellent job within industry. Where do you see like the turning point? Like where was Harper's turning point this season? Do you think he was one Eric left? Oh boy. Ken is one of the greatest actors of all time. And personal opinion. He is just really amazing. It's very easy to love him. He really does wear his heart on his sleeve. And that's another great thing about this show is that we are following a bunch of people who make decisions that would make them seem irredeemable. But they're so infused with humanness that it becomes relatable. And you want them to succeed. You want them all to go to therapy and like get fixed. And like have the gang back together. Yeah, right. Be like right into the sunset. Yeah, have a beer at the pub and hang out. But I think yeah, that was a huge one for her. I think I think another really hardcore turning point that I think she was forced into was finding out her mom died. Because the entire first four episodes is Eric trying to convince Harper to work with him and to create a more intimate relationship. Like a sort of friendship. Right, yeah, they were sort of a journal. He's like, you know what this is? Yeah, it's a please, like share your life. Like if we're going to work together, like we should really-- and she's like, you know nothing good comes of that considering their history and the job is going well. But she is in so much turmoil finding out that her mother has gone. She has no one to turn to. And she is desperate just to talk to someone. And he's there and he makes himself available. And that aside from her loving relationship with Yasmine, I think that's the other sort of loving relationship in Harper's life that it is a sort of pseudo paternal. He's also been her mentor. And he really was the one who took a chance on her. He picked her sort of out of obscurity, knowing that she didn't really have the qualifications and believed in her. People forget that Harper came to Peer Point lying about her resume. I mean, that was the whole thing about season one was that you didn't have the qualifications. Right. We're better than everyone on the floor. Per. Period. But the reason she doesn't want to get into this personal relationship with him, like let's just make a business because despite him being the one who allowed her to be in that space, he's also the one who outs that. He's also the one who gets her fired. That was crazy. The ship that's happened in the show. Like you, I mean, I never thought started. I remember starting sitting there starting season one being like, what am I about to get into? You had no idea. I had no idea. - This is my idea, Louisa seen the show through twice. - Oh great. (laughing) - I'm like, how do you sit and watch this twice? Like it's the most stressful, but it makes like talking to you and Marisa, it's like made me be like, I think I want to restart it. - Go for it. I feel like honestly, especially having been a part of our family from day one. - I was, I was in district high from day one. - Day one gang, I love, thank you, thank you. 'Cause I wouldn't be sat here today if it weren't for you and the rest of the people who were like, die hard from day one. I'm so serious. - It is, it was, it picked me up during such a dark time in my life in COVID. I just remember being at my parents' house, sitting there watching it and feeling like I was part of this family. - Yeah. - That's what like, you guys are so good at doing, like I felt like I was part of this family. - Oh, that's amazing. I mean, we really, kind of from day one, but have become a really strong family. It feels like family and I think that chemistry, that bond, that trust that we created fills the show. Like it's that sort of unnamable chemistry like thing, which I also think is why people want Yaz and Harper together, because Marisa and I are actually friends. - Right. - We actually love each other. - Yeah, yeah. We actually love each other. So even when we're fighting, it's coming, despite itself, it's coming from a place of very deep love and appreciation and respect. And those colors, the nuance, I mean, the same with me and Ken, like I just have, we have had a deep love for one another, which is why people are like, why do we want them together? Because you know it comes from love. - Real love. - Yeah, and on the page, it wasn't always that. It wasn't like, oh, these people actually love each other. It was like, no, these people are stabbing each other in the back. - Yeah. And that's sort of the magic of like great teamwork and real chemistry, which does sort of feel like lightning in a bottle. - It is. Was there like a moment the season or honestly any season where like something wasn't scripted? - There definitely is some, not when we're doing any sort of business-y deal. - Well, of course not. - Because we would all be like. - Yeah. - The sort of nature of this entire show is making Conrad learning their actors and writing for us. I mean, there have been whole story lines that were inspired by real life stories that actors connect to. They're really good at that. I think that's what makes them special writers because they write, they really write for us. But the, there was like a couple, but specifically, and it wasn't exactly improv, but specifically the scene where Harper speaks to Eric about her mom passing. On the page, I mean, it was, I think the scene ended up being like five or six pages long, but when I got it first it was maybe four, three or four. And the direction was more like Harper's numb. She doesn't cry, she doesn't know how to feel, it feels quite disconnected. And I thought like, if I was in her shoes, and this monumental thing happened to me, and I felt numb or I didn't know how to feel about it, that would confuse me so much. I would feel so lost and so alone, and the emotion would come from that. It would come from being so deeply confused and frustrated at the fact that I don't know how to feel about my own mother dying. It's so confusing and so isolating, and then also being so far away from home, you know? I think also the fact that she feels sort of forced into this now very intimate relationship with Eric, that she was trying so hard not to do. It feels like a sort of betrayal of self. So all of that is where the emotion comes from. I often cry when I'm confused and frustrated. Yeah. So I just, I said to the boys, I was like, hey, I understand this version. Is there a world in which maybe we can let her be a little more childlike, a little more insecure? And like really reveal something to him. And then it creates, and that like affected what Eric said. So then the scene became longer. I just, I ended up writing them like this stream of conscious and thing, and I just like, what's up to it to our group chat? And was like, here's my thoughts. When I like put myself in her shoes while I'm working on the scene, here are my thoughts, just here they are. And then when we went to shoot like 95% of the stuff that I wrote ended up in the new scripts on the day. Which was amazing, I was really, really, really grateful that they wanted to include those things. 'Cause I feel like there's so much about Harper that we don't know. We get plopped into Harper's world after she grew up, essentially. And I feel like, I don't know why as a viewer, I wasn't expecting her to care. But I wasn't expecting her to care that her mom died. Like the Harper that I knew, hates her mom. And was like, it would have just been like, no. So when it went the other way, and like the short was going, well, everything was going well and that happened. You would think she'd be like, I can't, I can't. And she like does and basks in that like emotion. It was very shocking as a viewer to see. Thank you Seekig for sponsoring tonight's episode. I always talk about concerts, but tonight I wanted to highlight a specific comedian that is going on tour that you can go get tickets on Seekig for now. Chelsea Handler just announced her new tour and you can use Code Therapist for 10% off tickets. All live shows are just the best. The World Cup is coming to the US this summer. Casey Musgraves is going on tour. Like there are just so many people to see and Seekig allows you to see all of them because they make the process of getting the ticket so much easier. When you go get a ticket, they rate it on a scale from one to 10, one being not the best, 10 being the best. So you can see if you're getting the most bang for your buck. 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(laughing) She ate me up. - When did it start for you and what was it like? I'm sorry, industry high, I need five seconds to go down this road. - Where about to get into my medical history? It probably started around 25, and it did indeed start with a tummy issue. I am now. My back hurts. - Eat. - My back hurts. - Listen, spirit moves through you in mysterious ways. Yeah, it started with tummy issues, which sent me on this journey of physical health and wellness. And I, at one point, I'm not kidding, it was so frustrated that I was like, I need God. - Yeah. - Nothing is working. None of these pills, none of these yoga's, I need God. I need literal religion right now. - Whatever, like I'll do anything to fix this. And I think I just discovered that so much of the physical, it felt very much like emotionally and energetically. I had to deal with some things to just make room in my spirit for like the drugs to work. - Right. - It's been my experience that like the mind, the spirit or the mind and the body are like intrinsically linked. And I needed to like get right with myself. I had to learn how to really love myself and like love on myself so that I could take care of my body better. It's like such a crazy process. It feels like I really felt like I was being ripped to shreds. - Oh my God. - Sorry, sweetie, I really am. But honestly, it's worth it. And I think anything worth doing is gonna be hard. - Yeah. - The body needs stress to grow. That's why we work out. We break our muscles apart so they can grow bigger, stronger, shapely, whatever. So yeah, a lot of that was about like learning how to set my boundaries, like understand what my boundaries are. What do I need? Put myself first. Set my boundaries, maintain them in a respectful way. Speak my truth and also only speak abundance into my own life. Like deciding what it is I think I deserve and like saying it with my chest until I believe it. A lot, it was like five years of like, I don't actually believe it, but I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say I'm just gonna say it until it becomes true. And I turned 30 and now it's true. - And what, like, did you use to have like negative self-talk? - Absolutely. And I still do, don't get me wrong. Like, it's a practice, honey. Every single day I'm saying like, I deserve this. I deserve, I deserve to love myself. I still have negative thoughts. I still have anxiety and I still have occasionally I have imposter syndrome. And occasionally I feel like I'm not prepared for something, but I also know that like The universe loves me and I wouldn't be put in the positions that I'm in if I couldn't handle it And I have big goals and big dreams and I have to be able to advocate myself or also I'm not gonna get them right So yeah, my that was that was what that was and my tummy is healed. Thank God But really honestly in like a less woo woo way It was like learning about nutrition, learning about my circadian rhythms And making sure that I don't overextend myself so that I can show up to work and my life every day is like the best version of myself Was there ever like a Part of shooting industry that you felt overextended. Yeah, I mean Yeah, the The first season we shot I had only done I'd done like one episode of television and I did an indie feature in New York that I did like five days on and Then I landed in the UK and they were like lead this HBO series for six months work every day do it well and then like be chill about it Like what was the audition process like for you for that like did you walk in being like this is just another audition or Did you walk in being like this role is mine? That so the tea about this is that when I got this audition. I was like in the midst of a crisis I had just lost a job that they said was mine that I was like Counting the dollars and deciding the ways in which this was gonna change my life right and They literally the director in the room was like it's yours and the next day they were like they went another direction Broke my heart into like a million tiny pieces. Oh my god. It was horrible at the time. I was bald Very androgynous it didn't yeah, and I was comparing myself a lot to the people who were getting the jobs I was like they're more feminine than me. They wear makeup. They are tall or they're shorter They're darker skin their lighter skin and I was was really like do I need to Change the way I look or present myself to be palatable to people just so I get a chance and I'm really like I really wear my heart and myself on my sleeve and the idea of changing my outside felt like a betrayal of my self and it was just like I was crashing out and then I got the audition for industry like a week later And I was supposed to go out with my friends who we were like pre-gaming in the apartment and I was like, oh fuck I have this audition and will you guys tape it with me? So I'm like a little tipsy in the tape. Shut up. I have to see this tape now. No girl. That shit is buried. It's not that good Um, but they saw something in it and they asked me to do another round of tapes with two additional scenes and in between I read two more episodes and I met with Mickey and Conrad and they gave me some thoughts and ideas. So I retaped thank god um, and a week later They were like they want you to meet Lena Dunham who's gonna direct the pilot. Right. So I met her in person and she was so quirky We sat on the floor while we did the read and she was like you'll be hearing from us very soon. Oh, that's so her I feel like so her and I walked out I mean I wasn't in there, but like 30 minutes and I walked out and called my team And they were like what happened and I was like well, we're done. He said was it good? And I was like, I mean, I think so We sat on the floor. So I think that's good right and then a week later They were like they want to travel you to Cardiff to test with the other actors and when I showed up It was just me there testing for Harper I think almost all the other roles was one person except for maybe one role. There was two people But that was when I was like oh per like yeah, it's just me. Yeah, I got the shit if I like royally screw this up Okay, but if it goes well if I do what I've been doing, I think this is mine um, and then maybe a week later The day before my birthday I found out I got the job and was it like What did what what did you feel like knowing that you didn't have to change anything about yourself to get it? I mean I'm so grateful that I didn't fall into that crash out while I literally was like this This is why you hold steadfast like This is this is why you feel so strongly about showing up as yourself because the right Project the right people will find you You just have to have faith and be patient and like hold on So that was real confirmation that I should never like Never try to change myself to fit some version of what I think someone else wants Also the real gag is casting and creatives whatever they don't want you to do a version of what they think right Oftentimes they don't even know yeah, they don't look they do not know they're looking for someone to tell them Oh, that's what I want or that challenged thing that I thought I want and it inspires me So I think that's what happened and they were like I'm so down Um So yeah, I mean they were like do you want to stay bald and I was like no, no, no like let me let me do a little something Let me change for the role um But yeah, I mean I went into that season Totally unprepared for how much responsibility it was I was so excited but it was so So much that I didn't even realize I hadn't given myself an opportunity time or space to process until literally the day we wrapped We did like the wrap party and then everyone came over to mine and we like had a sash and it was so fun I would pay money to sash with every single person on the ship in there I should have been there You're like oh I'm at peer point like It was so fun we tried to we tried to get them to let us have the the party on the trading floor and they were like oh come on They said no well there was like Millions and trillions of dollars of like Bloomberg terminals ever. Yeah, yeah, I'm not letting you get fucked up on the trade floor It's like such a risk, but everyone was at mine. They all left it like Three in the morning and I closed the door on the last person. I turned around and sunk to my knees and wept For I don't even know how long I was like crawling around my apartment crying so hard And I finally found my phone and I called Marisa and I was hysterical. I don't remember what I said I don't really remember exactly what happened But I do know that I left my apartment. It was raining. I was crying in the range She found me because we lived all in the same complex. She found me in the range. She she brought me back into my apartment And she she like brushed my teeth for me and put me to sleep and stayed in the bed with me until I like cried myself to sleep She stayed with me the whole you guys are really yes and Harper With less of the backstabbing. Yeah, right. No none of that. But that's why it reads so well because it's so real that love is so real She'd like literally help me while I cried and like my body just experienced The whole six months Because I didn't know what to do. You're on go mode. I was I was totally on go mode Yeah, and I finally when my body was like it's done. You can relax now. It was like yeah, all of it came over me Um, and I released it all and I let it go Wow, it was crazy and then I was Awoken by the driver being like come to the airport time to go to America and I was like I'm not packed I have not it was great. I left that apartment in shambles. Yeah shambles. There were I mean it was Disgraceful the condition. I left that apartment in but I get it's okay. You made great television out of it Are you planning on saying goodbye to Harper? Yeah, this is a great question that I really haven't put too much thought to I don't think I'll ever truly say a real goodbye. She is a she is a part of who I am um and who I want to be I think It's sort of too full. It's like sad because her The our story me and her story is ending. Mm-hmm. I'm sort of leaving her behind Um, but when this is done that chapter is closed I have I have a new a new chapter to open now. I am literally. I'm just literally available Um, there's so much more work I want to do. I'm I'm writing and I'm oh wow trying to develop a couple things for myself So now I'll have the time energy the space the experience um, and the confidence to start working on those things um, which I'm really excited about. Do you want are those things more television or movie or both? I have both. I've both that I'm interested in. I'll never not do TV. Yeah, I'm a TV guy through it through me too. I really am I feel like with television you can fall into these worlds so much more intensely Yeah, like really become part of a family totally the time just the sheer time like it's it's like depending on how many episodes You have it's like eight movies right? We have so much time to explore and go deeper and and you get to change and evolve and like Harper season one is not Harper season four and she won't be Harper season five. I feel like I mean I feel like season five Harper will have a like I feel like she's gonna go on this like moral, like trying to make up for like this, like looking at Yaz and being like, "Wait, how did we get here? We're not doing this." - We're gonna turn to Christ. - Yeah, she is literally gonna turn to Christ. - Yeah, I'm really excited to see where we go with Harper, with everyone with the show. Knowing that it's the last one, I'm pretty sure the boys are just gonna go rip it. They are, they are, they're gonna, right, I mean, I think yesterday, we did a panel yesterday, they were talking about like, from day one, there was sort of a basket of things they were interested in doing and now that they know the time is near. and then they're gonna try to get all that shit that's in the basket into season five. So are you excited? - I like actually, I think I wanna visit that one day. - Oh my God, you should come. - At this rate, I think I need to come visit that. - You should totally come. - Mickey Conrad, please let me come visit that. - No, no, you're gonna come. - Okay. Come to Cardiff. - Please, I would, me and Louise would have, it would be Field Trip Day. - It would be so fun. Why not? We would love to have you. - We would love to have you. - Seriously, like that show has done things for me. Like, you have no idea. - I'm so glad, I mean, I love hearing that because it has done so many things for me. And I feel like, I don't know if this is like a thing, but like I'm a fan, I'm a fan girl. - Yeah. - I love to fan over things. - Yeah, I'm the biggest fan girl of all time. - I'm such a fan, and I am a fan of this show. There's so much of it that I'm not in. So like when I watch it, I'm still kind of watching it. Like, half brain is me and I'm criticizing myself. But the other half of me is just like enjoying my friends in the show, the story, like I'm really invested in it. So hearing other people say that it's meant something to them is like, I mean, it means the world to me. - It really is so incredible. Do you have like a favorite episode ever? - Ooh. - I have mine. - Oh, wait, what's yours? - Okay, mine's the finale of three. - Oh yeah, well, I mean, I think that's one of the greatest episodes of television of all time. - Of all time, far none, hands down. Like that episode changed, like how I view the world. - Oh, right. - Just because it was so good. You know, it's something so good, and you're just like looking at life like-- - I'm changed. - Artistically, like that's how that episode made me feel. Like that episode, the one where Harper is on the trading floor, like, like 2.4, yeah. - Those two episodes I think are my favorite of industry of all time. - Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad, those are, I mean, phenomenal episodes. I feel like episode, my husband is always saying to people who haven't seen the show, and it doesn't, he's not sure, like if they're not sure if it's gonna be for them, he says start on episode four of season one. - Really? - Because that episode with that trade, the anxiety, I think kind of sets the tone for like, oh, this show is a finance show, but it's really more like making Conrad say, it's like how do we make a trade feel like a car chase? And that's the one that does it. I think anyone who watches and they're not sure they're like locked in by episode four. - Yeah. - I feel like one of my favorite episodes, oh my God, there's actually so many. Now I'm thinking about, I think it's episode six, the Christmas episode of season one. - We have a Christmas episode. The Christmas episode, is not like a thing that they say, oh, it's the Christmas episode. - Yes. - The Brits fucking love Christmas. - Yes, they really do. - They like love Christmas so bad. - They do. - Yeah, that one's great. Ben Lloyd Hughes, when he runs into the glass in the first season, and he like is banging himself into the glass, that one is really great. There's also so much tea with like Robert and Yasmin and Harper in that episode. - It's Robert. - I know, we all do. Shout out Harry Laughty, we love you. - Love you, town. (laughing) (upbeat music) - This episode of Therapus is brought to you by booking.com. Oh, no, it just took off its headphones. Booking. - Yeah. - It's something, it's literally summer. Like I was in the car the other day, I was like, oh, it's summer. And it is time, everyone's planning trips. Whether you like it or not, you and your friends are going to be planning trips soon. Booking.com makes it the easiest to plan those trips. You don't know how hard it is to book a hotel room or a house until you have to do it. Everybody has different needs. I want a bath, I want a terrace, I want walkability, I want this, that one. Booking.com allows you to put all of that in and book the best trip possible. Me and my friends right now, we're trying to book a trip. It is very difficult, okay? It is very difficult. And I will always say it, but on tour, Matt, we would show up to a city where are we staying? Oh, Matt, no idea. Oh, and then he would go on booking.com. Perfect hotel, because we would put all of our needs in, find the best stay, literally morning up. It is really and truly, it makes traveling so much easier because once you know that you have a place to stay, thanks to Booking.com, the rest of the trip kinda just flows. You can really fill out your vacation on Booking.com. Find exactly what you're booking for at Booking.com. Booking.com, yeah! Book today on the site or in the app. (upbeat music) I've never seen bisexuality portrayed just so casually like that. - Yes. I was like, it was in the midst of COVID. I was watching, I was watching industry and all of this. He was like really like, courting Yaz. And then he got his dick sucked by the sky. And then they didn't really harp on it at all. - Also like, go off a young white man doing that? I think that one of the things that making Connor to really good about that the show was good about is like, 'cause people are always like, isn't it a show about sexuality? Is it a show about race? Is it a show about? - No, it's a finance show. And all of these things happen. But we're not trying to tell the audience how they should feel about it. It's just like, here it is. And then you get to be like, oh damn. I could just be by and it's not a thing or whatever. - 'Cause they don't make it a thing. It's just, they lay it out and they're like, here you go. - Yeah, yeah. We're not trying to like bully the audience into feeling like, yay, gay or not, yay, gay, you know? We're just like, here's a piece of the world. With no judgment, I think that is really good to be making. - It's excellent. - I want to shout out a specific sequence as well in episode four of season one. I love season one, apparently. - Season one's great. - Season one is a great season. This was really fun to shoot. Harry and I, who plays Robert, we did, we had like 45 minutes left in a shoot day on episode four and it was like bonkers. We have one camera, everyone's trying to get the book out of here. But we need to do this sequence where Harper and Robert do drugs together. And it's a short sequence. They get high and we improv to the entire thing. They put on music and we were just pretending to do whatever. He put on this co-pretended to be Elton John, we were dancing around and the camera was just going crazy and it was so much fun. It was really running gun and we didn't know if we got anything worth its weight in salt. And it turned out to be one of the most fun and maybe like sort of quintessential industry sequences in the show. I loved shooting that. I also loved shooting the boat stuff with Marisa and season three. - That was amazing because I feel like I didn't know if Yaz and Harper were friends. At that point, I didn't know and then to see them together for ultimately what defines Yaz's story for the rest of the show, it was a real moment of like genuine chosen family. 100%, I mean it's so interesting that now sort of people are coming around to Harper having the moral center. That right there to me was the most pure act of love. She's risking her own safety. To help her friend cover up like a crime. She really looks at her in the face and says, "I see how badly you're hurt, I will help you." I will help you. - It's so selfless. - I think that's why Yaz always goes back to her. - 100%. - And that's why even when Henry is like, your friend Harper, like she's short in the company, she's doing this, yeah, she's like. - She said, "Don't talk about my friend like that." - Yeah, she said that. "Hey, the guy's, that's my friend." - That's my friend. - He's so feral. - That's my friend. So, is it your husband via kind of this show? - Yeah, totally. The other greatest gift of my life via this show, my man. He is also an industry day winner. - Yes. - He was watching the show in COVID and he sent myself and Harry and Mickey and Conrad a message, just saying, "Hey, I'm watching industry. I'm such a fan. Congratulations on the show. I think it's great." And it was deep COVID and I was living by myself and the show was coming out and there was like no premiere, no interviews, nothing. I was very alone and I was like, going through my DMs, obviously, starting for connection. And I saw his, and I was like trying to weed out the gross ones, like people being like, I love the show, send me a picture of your feet. - Yeah. - And I was like, "Oh, but his was really respectful." So I just said, "Thank you." And the next day I woke up to a string of video messages from him and I was like, "Growl, what is this bro?" But I was like, "Let me go on his profile." I was like, "Wait a minute, he's kind of cute." - He's really cute. - I'll risk it. (laughing) So I opened the messages and it was him and he was literally filming himself and he was like, "Hey, my hallet, Armando." I just wanted to say it was so cool that you responded to my message. I wasn't expecting it. Again, congratulations on the show. I am in a journalism class, a university at the moment. I'm just wondering, would you be willing, available, interested in doing like a five, 10 minute interview with me for this project? And I was like, "Not a student." - Yeah, like, "Not a student." I was like, "I can't say no to this kid who has a class project." So I was like, "Yeah, sure, whatever." We hop on a Zoom the next day. We were meant to be on for 10, 15 minutes and we talked for 40 minutes and I hung up the thing and I was like, "I'm in love with the stranger." That's weird. I just was like, "Whatever." Yeah, I couldn't stop thinking about him like a week later I messaged him and was like, did you get an A on your project? I'm like a grown person being like, did you get an A a week later? It's crazy. I was like flirting hard And then we were just like in each other's DMs talking all day every day about fucking whatever It took him three weeks to ask for my phone number very respectful very respectful And then very you know a lot COVID we were doing like facetime dates and we were just talking all the time He was in San Francisco at university at the time and I'm from San Jose originally And so I was gonna go from New York to San Jose to to see my mom like after the holidays And I was like yo, I'm gonna be like 50 minutes south of you. Do you want to meet in person? And he said yes, so I drove up how nervous were you were you not at all? I was really shaking my boots. Yeah, I was shaking my boots and all my friends are like are you Micotic this man might chop you into bits and you will never hear from you again This is just a random stranger from the internet who like watched you on TV. Are you crazy? And I was like, yes, yeah, I got it bad. Yeah And I brought a bottle of wine and some glasses and I remember like parking the car and he lived on a hill and he was at the bottom I like turned a corner and he was at the bottom and I saw him and I was like oh He's so tall and fine Thank god, he's tall and I'm like going down the mountain. He turns around and he sees me and I start running It was so cheesy. I start running and then we hug and we were like we like took a collective breath It was so crazy. We literally like And it felt so easy and so comfortable like I belonged there and both of us were sort of like Wait, actually this feels really normal. It was like love at first sight. I mean yeah completely We sat on the roof we had the wine. I brought hand sanitizer because I hadn't had my COVID test results back And I didn't want to be too risky because I was staying with my mom. So we like hand sanitized and held hands God TPS COVID. Yeah She nothing was gonna stop me not COVID none of it Um, and that was that was the end of it He met my mom the next weekend. We have been inseparable. I mean it'll be like five and a half years now married for a year and change Congratulations. Thank you so much. How was the wedding? It was really sweet It was just the two of us his sister his parents and my mom My best from college married us and we had a friend take some pictures. It was really small and and that's the way to do it though Yeah, it was the way for us certainly and I think he has a huge family and so our plan is still I promise you Familia is still the plan To do a big ceremony in the Coachella Valley from Indio Do a big ceremony there so everyone can come and celebrate us and maybe do a little something in New York for our friends But we just we were eager to be married And so when time and finances permit will throw some parties. Yeah, so we can celebrate with with loved ones But yeah, well, what are you? Therapist about today. I'm therapist that it's been so fucking cold in New York and so nice here It's crazy. It's like a the apocalypse. It's it's I can't I can't do it. It's so bad It was so bad. You know, it's bad when you're like I thought global warming was gonna make it hot No, girl, it's it's been like the most depressed myself my friends and family have ever been because it's been so long Is it still cold right now in New York? Literally my mom was like it was raining the other day and then it was like 80 degrees But it keeps it's like this. Yeah, no, you know, it's too much. Is it are you living in New York now? Yeah, I'm in okay. When are you going back? Tomorrow I go back tomorrow what what later you on well, I'm on a late flight. I'm gonna late flight. What are you Delta? Yes? Are you on the 950? It's going down on the plane Yeah, I'll see you in the lounge Yeah, it's gonna be great. We're gonna have fun. Do you live there or do you know I just got a place there? I'm from there Oh, that's right. I need a New York summer. Okay. Well, so will you be there this summer? Yep I want to be for the streets this summer That's like I was telling somebody the other day like what might behavior and they were like Why are you like for the streets? I was like the streets deserve it. I was like I'm having fun They were like respect on the streets. Yeah, I agree. The streets of New York are kind of iconic. They are I like I'm ready to like be outside drinking wine on rooftop. So yeah, because I like can be very isolated I don't know if you've experienced it, but it can be like I don't drive so it's like you don't drive in LA No, I Uber every day or I have my friend drive me everywhere Uber Uber everywhere. Is it okay practical question? Is it Like less expensive? We've done the costs I don't think so, but like for safer everyone's safety. Oh, mental well-being. It's better that I keep you off the road Like I'm so addicted to my phone. I know that Know myself. That's really good. You're protecting people. I am I am. I know I would be a bad driver My dad's like you can't drive. I'm like okay. Like it's his one thing. I won't drive for the streets and for the people. Yeah I live right I love driving. I miss driving. I've never gotten to experience a moment in the car where it's just you and you're like listening to music and you're like oh girl. I know I've heard it's amazing It's really nice a moment of alone is hard to come by nowadays as well I know and like now you can say like oh do a waymo, but they're always watching in the way. No waymo's I I just I can't get behind it I can't really bust me out so bad that scar scar movie where he gets locked in the car. Did you see that? Yeah So random. I did see that movie. It's a crazy film. Yeah, he's a great actor crazy film. Oh my god That is one of those movies where it's like you've never meet someone that's seen that movie. No I watched it on a plane. I watched it on a plane too. I watched it on a plane too and I remember being like this is weird I've been waiting for the plane to lock its doors and tell us all to do the macarena Yeah, like fucking it's like saw but like the AI version. No no girl the waymo's is not for me And you were in a movie where all the cars Combust it on themselves. Yes, leave the world behind which could actually very well happen Shh Listen, I know everyone is listening, but like she is upon us. The world is low-key leaving us behind honey Well that was like that was one of those apocalypse movies where I was like oh my god That could really happen. Have you seen this movie also like pieces of it is already happening. It's terrifying. It is It really is no waymo's you're no waymo's All right, do you want to get into the tell me what's wrong? Yeah, please when I get drunk, I trauma dump It's literally so embarrassing and gives me crazy anxiety the next day. I do this too. I did this to marisa She was like Yeah, it's all right the anti-fear she's like do you remember you to I said oh my god Like one time I literally told my crush who I had only met two times about my parents divorced That's fine and my daddy issues and my trauma nobody gives a fuck knowing not about me And I don't want them to know either help. Well, I would disagree with nobody gives a fuck Yeah, yeah, no, I agree nobody. I care. I care. Also like drunk or not like good for you for being vulnerable. I agree Go ahead and if somebody thinks you oversharing is weird, I think they're weird and they're not your person To be a friend to be a lover anything. I agree. I love trauma dumping I do I just I love like being vulnerable and like telling people I have really bad OCDs so like If I can show you all sides of me immediately and you can see it Then we can move forward and whatever relationship we find her so I can't lie. I'm a really bad liar. Yeah me too great actor bad liar Yeah, I mean, it's just I feel so guilty lying. Yeah guilt thing. I like so but that like manifests in me like trauma dumping over sharing I see I see I see yeah, I feel like Know the space you're in because sometimes it could be kind of dangerous right you can't be too trusting But I think if you're like oh, I talked to my baby. My parents. It isn't everyone's parents divorced Like you don't I mean it's not like real trauma like I mean it's real trauma, but like it's like sorry It's like It's like you can talk about your parents divorced when you're drunk and not feeling anxiety. I don't totally far worse I don't remember at all. Yeah, same at all like I've had like yes You're validated and it's okay. You're gonna be fine sweetie. My partner's mom followed his most recent ex after we've been dating for years Oh, I would This at first was just really weird, but not a big deal flash forward a couple months And now she's been regularly going on coffee date coffee dates and evening going out and even going out with his ex The reason I'm writing in today is because last week she invited her over to our family brunch. How do we deal with this? What the hell is wrong with her? Sorry, but like that is psychotic That's psychotic. What is wrong with you? She also knows what she's doing the 100% She's fucking with you. Yeah, that is fucked up and that's on your partner to lay a boundary I got to say yeah, there is I know it's a fine line because like that's your mommy or whatever, but like Protect your girl. I would watch you remember that What was that show that came out that everyone was obsessed with? The girlfriend was at it with the it was the British show Yeah, did they just say yeah, yeah, yeah, I would watch the girlfriend. It ends in murder, but I would watch the girlfriend Well, yeah better safe than sorry What is it monster in large remember that movie but it all sounds scary. - Yeah. - The malls are so tricky, I get it, but also girl. What is wrong with her? - That's, that I've had friends in relationships where like the mall has like done shit like that and it's, it is all on your partner. And that, it is nothing to do with you. It is not on you. - No, no, not at all. - Like, you're marrying a person. I mean, you are marrying the family, but like, that is on them to lay down the boundaries and be like, you're making the person that I'm gonna probably marry very uncomfortable. - Yeah, totally. - And also, why are you doing this? If I was her, I'd be like, why are you doing this? - Why are you doing this girl, leave me alone. Yeah, I agree, that's crazy. - Yeah, oh my God, I'd freak out. Probably why I'm so single. I think I'm incredibly influenced emotionally by the weather. - Yes, me too. - I am too, it was raining the other day. My whole body hurt, I shut down, I smoked alone, I was like, I'm done. I live in Vancouver and I'm genuinely starting to notice my depression might just be from how it's always raining. The thing is, all my family and friends and life are here, so if I wanted to move, I need to start at noon. Is this an overreaction? I've heard this is a thing, so. - I don't think that's an overreaction at all. You're just trying to figure out why you're so depressed. Seasonally affected disorder is a real thing. The lack of vitamin D in the brain can also like, trigger a serotonin assumption. - Really? - Yes, yes, yes. Literally, everybody, especially us, people who live inside a studio are vitamin D deficient and it is like a big, has a big effect on the mood and how the brain works. - Okay, my dad always tries to get me to take vitamin D every morning, and I never, like, take it. - If you're sad, take it. - I never listen to him, I feel like you should. - No, no, dude, to take it, take it. Vitamin D with vitamin K3, I think is the way, like they need, you need both. Your body needs both to-- - Vitamin D and vitamin K3. - Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it, I'm not a doctor, but like, that's the one that I take to make it absorbable. And I take like 10,000 units a day, which is a shit ton. But I would say, look into some of those, like, seasonally affected disorder, like, things, maybe to start with vitamin D. My mom also got me on a light therapy, which is, like, it could be an LED light, but it's like certain UV, whatever's, that you turn it on first thing in the morning, where you, you know, when they say, like, go outside and touch grass and like, look at the sun. - Yes. - What the light does in your eyes to your, like, circadian rhythms is like a real thing. So, like, that light therapy, like 20 minutes first thing in the morning can really help set the tone in your mood for the day. I would also say exercise. - Exercise, that's what I was about to say, moving your body, like, when I'm like in the, like, when I'm really going through seasonal depression, which I go through every year specifically, the time between years and Christmas. - Yeah. - That is the worst time of the year. - Very tragic time. - It's a really tragic, horrible time. - Where is everyone? - I'm home with my family. I'm like, I'm miserable. - Yeah, it's rough. - It's rough. And you need to move your body. When I started working out for my mental health as opposed to just my physique, my physique changed. - Yeah, totally. - And then my whole thing changed. It was like, I was working out for years with no change. And then the second I was like, well, I have to go workout or else I'm gonna feel like shit for the rest of the day. - Yeah. - Like, that's when everything changes. And you like, you like a little lighter and everything's a little better and it's like. - It's true. It's really true. You just got to get those endorphins going, pushing them in your brain. Also like sweating is one of the big ways that your body like flushes toxins. It gets the lymph system going. There's so many reasons to exercise. - Yeah. - That is one of those. And then if none of that works. - Move. - Move. - Yeah. - Move. - And it's okay to move. I've had friends that like have moved to the middle of nowhere, knowing no one and have come out like better people for it. - Totally. - It's just like like didn't you move here, not knowing anyone? - Where are you from? - Atlanta. - Okay. - Originally. - I like had some friends, but not really. - Yeah. - But yeah, it was awesome. And I also will say, I was really affected by the seasons. For all of college, all of my childhood and then moving here like, I feel lighter. - Yeah, yeah, totally. The sun is a really big deal. - The sun, and you know where the sun hits the hardest? New York. - Oh, well, you know what that is? It's because we collectively as a people suffer for months. - For months. - And then the second it's like 60 degrees, shorts, we would all go to the park in high school. - Literally everyone's outside like, I love everything. - Yes. - It's a collective like sigh. - It's a myth. The vibes in spring in New York are fucking amazing. Well, I'm so ready to fly back tomorrow. Oh my, get me on the plane. - All right, we're ready. - I'm ready, I'm about to like lay out and like just vibe. But yes, don't be afraid to move and move your body. Move in all aspects. - Follow your intuition as well. If you're like, I'm really feeling like this move might be good. Just, you know, follow that. - Yeah. - Follow that. - 'Cause you really only live once. - It's true. - You really do whenever I'm like, should I do this? Should I not? I'm like, well, what the fuck? - What else am I gonna do? - Nothing. - It's crazy. I'm slowly watching my partner turn into a conspiracy theorist. I've always loved his passion for current events and even politics, but recently he's just been so weighed down by it, but still insists on watching and consuming every story, opinion, et cetera. Not only is this just unattractive, it makes me sad for his day-to-day well-being. How do I help him without hurting him? - Oh shit. (laughing) I don't know because, like, I don't know what makes a conspiracy theorist anymore. - Yeah, actually, very good point. - Do you know what I mean? - 'Cause it's like M.I. - That's what I'm reading that I was like in M.I. Like, there's so much information pumped out constantly. That, like, maybe you guys are just going down to different paths. - It's very possible. I always say in times of conflict like this with a partner, like, and you wanna bring something up to them, which is, like, actually just their problem. I always say, like, try to reframe. Always, always talk, like, keep talking, but try to reframe it about you, like, saying, I'm feeling far away from you. I feel like we maybe spend a little less time talking about our mutual interest. I just wanna feel close to you. Could we maybe spend a little more time doing this as opposed to this, or, you know what I mean? Or, like, I would really like to try having, like, a no-phone hour, like, maybe where we can just reconnect or make it about sex. - Yeah. - I don't know. - You know what I mean? Just re-froving together. - Yeah, like, - Cook together. - Not about, like, not a movie about, like, 9/11. - Yeah, yeah. Like, something else. - Yeah. - Try that first, maybe. - And, like, maybe, maybe, look at yourself, and, like, being, like, I, being judgmental. - Totally. I could total, like, 'cause, like, you don't know. Everyone's, like, it, it's, that is so tricky. - It's very hard. Maybe you should get into it. Maybe you should also become a conspiracy theorist. - And see what the mind is. - I feel like that sex would be incredible. - I've been with my boyfriend for around a year, and the fact that he's kind of broke is really getting to me. For context, before we started dating, he would get me flowers, weekly, and all these random gifts. And I get it. He's got a part-time job and a studying, but, like, he spends more money on betting than on me nowadays. What do I do, and how do I not sound, like, an entitled last? - Wait. - Better. - 'Cause the betting is also for you, no? - Yeah, and you need to watch industry season three, the episode, the Christmas episode, where Rishi literally blows up his life. - Yeah, that's so funny. Wait, okay, actually I wanna talk about this, because this is really interesting. Like, there's totally, like, you get to have your, like, non-negotiables, obviously. Everyone gets to maintain, set and maintain their own boundaries. And, like, life is so hard right now. Like, people are broke. Jobs suck. Gas is a million dollars. - I don't even drive it, I know that. - Okay, exactly. I don't even drive currently, and I know that. But I would just say, like, especially, like, post-COVID things have been so crazy, like, with all the things. Like, maybe just try to have a little more compassion for, like, why someone might be broke, unless you think they're, like, not trying. - I think the issue is that they're spending money in other factors. - In other factors. - But I think the compassion still applies, 'cause he's betting, but, like, clearly to, like-- - Wait, wait, wait, wait, betting? Oh my God. I thought you meant, like, linens as in bed linens. - No, that's what I said, watch industry. That's why I was like-- - I was like, what? - No, that he's betting his money. - Oh, hell no, gambling! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was with your switch up, not. - Contaction about betting? - Yeah. - Give me a break. - We saw how that ended in industry. - Exactly. Watch that episode, because we're like, going to shit. - One of the great Christmas episodes of industry. - It's crazy that it's a Christmas episode. - I'm telling you, always the fucking Christmas episode. It's always the Christmas. out her on. Iconic. Hey, Jake and lovely guest, basically my dad gave me his old iPad, but still has this, but still had his WhatsApp connected to it. And I saw him texting a mistress of some sort. My heart dropped because I thought my parents were healthy and good. I snooped a little more to find out this girl was his sugar baby of sorts. And he was signed up to all these sugar daddy sites. Is it my place to ask him about it or should I go straight to my mom help? This is so weird. Oh, I think that really depends on what your relationship is with both of the parents. You're already handling it better than I would because you're writing in and you're like trying to find a good way to like getting advice. I don't know what I would do. I would go to my sibling if I had a sibling and be like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? And if you don't have a sibling, I would go to my mom. Oh yeah. I would go to my mom. I would just say this is what's happening deal. I can't. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably the way, isn't it? Yeah. Two parents to do this sort of thing with. Yeah. That would be, I think, my thing would be, I would go to my mom. Ooh, you know what? I might do a la Harper. I might go to my dad and be like, if you don't deal with this, I will. Yeah. That's also good. And threaten him. Yeah. My thing is, I would feel so guilty that if my mom knew I knew and like, it would, it's so. Oh yeah. I guess it depends on the personality of the parents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck. Good luck. Yeah. So, what did we learn today? What did we learn today? I learned about the bodies and the mind, like how they connect. We learned about vitamin D and K3. Believing in yourself. Yeah, totally. And like, surviving your Saturn return. Oh yeah. I learned, and I mean, I sort of like, gleaned this of you anyway, but like, you're such a Kiki. Like, you're such a Kiki. Really? You're such a Kiki. You're so much fun. You clearly love to have fun. And you love people. Like, you have a show where you get to talk to people about people. You also clearly love to help people. If you have people writing in, you want to talk about advice. So, I learned today that like, you're really for the streets. Yeah. Really for the streets. You are a community person. Yes. I feel very, like, loved and appreciated by you. You are. I'm so glad you feel that way, because you are so loved and appreciated. Thank you. Very much. Yeah. I'm really grateful that we got to do this. Me too. Well, thanks for coming on the show. See you.