Session 120: Kylie Jenner

You're so major. Oh, this is actually the last thing in my life. Yeah, I mean same. So, like a god. Thanks. The king is here. I'm so excited. I'm so happy to be here. First off, cheers. Cheers. I'm already having the best time. I know we were really just hanging in the back. Eyes. Oh, sorry. Cheers. We're having red wine. It's like 1 p.m. On a Friday. And we're having the best time. We're having the best time. I'm so I can't believe you're here. I couldn't sleep last night. I can't believe I'm here either. I know. That's because I don't want to be here. I die for you. But like podcasts are just they're not very new thing for me. I know. But you're always on every podcast I go on. I'm going to be like. Yeah, but this is so special because this is one of the first. Yeah, this is the cutie one. Yes. When you said you've seen my show. I thought you were kidding. Really? Yeah. We met. That's when we met. Well, we met. Okay. You don't remember this. Tell me everything. But you were it was at the Charlie XX show at Coachella. Okay. And you walked by me. Okay. And I was just like. And that was our first meeting. I love that. That was a good show. That was a great show. That was a day before I shot the movie with her. You shot it the day after Coachella. Yes. Isn't that crazy? Where did she shoot it in the desert? We shot it at my house in Palm Springs. Right. And I was I was like super crazy about it not looking like my house because I'm like this is going to take people out of it. Right. But you know, they were in Ibiza. Uh-huh. Ibiza. Ibiza. And so yeah, we just did it in a hallway at my house the next day. What was it like being an actress? It was amazing. Really? Did you love it? I did. Do you want to do more? Yes. You should. Thank you. A few things have come my way that I said no to that. Honestly, a kind of regret. But it's okay because something else will happen. Did you say no for any particular reason? I feel like I don't know if anyone can relate to this. I didn't think it was right. But I also didn't have enough time to decide. It was like decide now. Decide now and I get in my head about it. And then I end up saying no out of fear. Are you an anxious person? I don't know. I wish Ariel was in the room because I feel like he's my second brain. Are you else she anxious? Life? No, you don't seem anxious. You don't read anxious at all. Okay. And I'm like shaking. Have you do you see when I was drinking the wine I was shaking? Let's breathe. I honestly feel better. We needed that. We needed that. Now tell me about Zelda. It's a safe space. We were talking about Zelda earlier because Jake was like I love your Sims bit. Yeah, but you guys. I went on vacation recently and I got I bought a switch for the first time. Okay. I almost bought one. I almost bought one. Yes, right. You're about to convince me. I bought a switch. I don't really even really this type of girl. Like I play Sims on my computer. I never really went. My gaming never really went further than that. I loved Halo. Like I beat the first Halo game. Call Judy. No Halo. Is that too completely different? Too completed with Halo. What is Halo? Halo is another another like it's in the future, but it's another like. Okay. Okay. So that was okay. That was a thing. That was my thing with with Kendall. And then what else did I play? I mean, back game cube. Oh, I was I was a game boy guy. Yeah. Game cube. What were we playing on their bomber man on game cube? Yeah. The best. I bought a switch. And basically looked up like what are the most popular games on switch? And I get any Zelda has like. Zelda's up there. Do you play Zelda? Oh yeah. Zelda is up there. Zelda's like one of the best games ever. What is what's the premise? Well, you are Link. Okay. You are a hundred years ago. Oh my god. I'm gonna sound like such a nerd. A hundred years before you you're playing the game. A hundred years prior. There was like a big war. What happened with all the. I remember the main guys like gandor for something. Yeah. Gandor. But all the fantastic. I need to get this right. This is perfect. Wait. The beast in Zelda. I hate that. I don't know their names. The divine. The divine beast. The divine beast. I'm so sorry. So all the Zelda fans out there. I'm still kind of new. I've already. I've already kind of conquered one of the divine beasts. I'm onto my second beast. But anyway. So, you know, a hundred years prior before you start playing the game. There was a big war. The world is like, you know. Shambles. Shambles. Like everything is fucked. Yeah. And then you get in there and your Link. And you're trying to save the world. Save the world and Princess Zelda. Even though it's like a hundred years later, she's still like thriving in the castle. You want to get to Princess Zelda where they in love. I don't know. There's a bunch of flashbacks. It's the most intricate. You could be on that game. Like I've played. Wait. So for days and hours. And there's like missions to complete. Basically you're trying to get to Princess Zelda in the castle. To save her. To save her. And save the world from the divine. Well, the divine beasts were. They were really on our side. But then they got taken over by. So you have to enter the divine beast and like snap them out of it. Snap them out of the door. Okay. I think I need. I think I'm going to get a switch. So anyway. That was a lot. But you need to get a switch. And you need to play Zelda. Wait, I'm going to literally going to post my one right after this. Right now. Yeah, I'm going to breath of the wild. Breath Zelda breath of the wild. Yeah, that's the first thing we play. Like can we connect? Oh, I know. You can do that. I'm Pokemon. I know. And Mario Kart. No. Yes, you can. You can you can play Mario. I think you can do Wi-Fi. Okay. Are you still on Tumblr? No. No. I know. I'm sorry. Wait. I'm sorry. I'm not. I know it was the best place. I'm on Pinterest. Pinterest gives me. Pinterest is Tumblr grown up. Pinterest gives me Tumblr. It does. Do you have like mood boards that you like? Yes. Yes. I do it all day. Are they? Instead of like opening up my Instagram. I open up Pinterest. Oh, really? Yes. And you just scroll. And I scroll inspiration, inspiration, inspiration. And it's like curated to me and the things that I like. So I'm like, Oh, that would be cool for a cosmetic shoot coming up, put it in the. And then I have like a 2026 like outfit vibes. Are you going to the mat? I am. Where are you wearing? I'm wearing scaffer early. Should I just like show you a picture instead of explaining it to get your reaction? I'm gag. Okay. I don't have the final dress, but I'll show you the sketch. Shut up. This is not me. Shut up. Another piece. No, it looks like I'm. Louis, you have to come see this. I mean, I'm already like speechless. And then it's like falling off. You know what I mean? It's going to look different than that because you know the sketch. So it's like it's real art. You're wearing art. So I'm wearing art and we're celebrating art art. Well, Kylie, what are you therapist about today? What am I therapist about? I haven't read this before. I'm therapist about. I'm therapist about getting over this cold. I knew you were going to say that. We're going to know each other. We are. I'm really therapist about this fucking cold. I just, it's been 10 days and I don't know if you guys feel like as you get older, it's harder to like kick something in the butt. I just threw my back out for the first time. Stop. Yes. I have really bad back issues. I was like, I'm going to tell her that I threw my back out, but I guess I feel like she's never thrown her back out. I have had chronic back pain for like three and a half years. It's just starting to get better, but my son, my last pregnancy, it like really took me out. Oh, really? Was it during it? It was like 12 weeks into the pregnancy. I just woke up one day and I'm like, oh, I can't really walk and I had like crazy sciatica pain and crazy lower back pain. So I'm just thinking, and I was in the best shape of my life before that pregnancy. So I really had high expectations. I really wanted to like work out. I gained 60 pounds with my daughter. I was 200 pounds when I went in to give you my daughter. Oh, I was like 210 with my son. All of that went out. I gained like 65 pounds with my son. What were you like? I was huge. - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what were you craving? - Everything. I ate everything. I ate a pint of ice cream every night. - You're lying. - No, I just dove right in. - Love flavor. - Rainbow Sherberg. - Yeah, yum. - Yeah. I ate lots of ice cream, just lots of carbs, bagels, in the beginning. My nausea was horrible with my son, so if I didn't eat, it'd be really bad. - Which pregnancy was easier? - The first one. That was a breeze. - God, it's so funny, you talking, it's not funny, but you talking about this, it's like I remember everything happening in real time. Like I remember when was it the deer stormy video? - Yeah, to our daughter. - Stopped the world. Stopped the world, I was in high school. We all stopped what we were doing to watch the video. - Oh my God, I remember seeing, I didn't realize it was gonna be like that, all the reaction videos to people watching it and like gathering in the living room like this is crazy. Because you didn't leave your house for a while if I remember. And there was like helicopters circling above your house to try to get pop shots of you. - And they would take pictures of anything and just write a story like, oh, it's a crib, I'm like, that's a couch. - Yeah. - Yeah. So that was crazy. I really didn't leave the house. I felt like at the time, you know, reflecting back to it, I felt like I was protecting myself. And I was in a way, but I, like right when I posted that video, I sobbed for like three hours. 'Cause it felt like so much weight on my shoulders and just a big thing that I was like hiding from the world. And I was, you know, worried about everyone's reactions and it was just so emotional. And I'm like, huh, maybe next time I wouldn't do that. - Right, yeah. - And did it feel good not hiding it at the second time? - Yeah, but then I couldn't leave my bed anyway 'cause I was like in so much back pain and sciatic pain. I was like, and lots of things were happening with my vagina. I was three centimeters dilated for like a month and a half too much. - I'm not out. - Like the baby was like falling out. - Wait, wait, wait. - And my doctor's like, you have to stay in bed. - What is it like seeing your kids grow up? - It's the best. - I feel like, let you talk for a minute. - No, no, but I had nothing to say. - Okay. - Let's take a wine break. - Yeah, yeah. - Eyes. I'm so nervous. - Oh, don't be nervous. - I know. - You're the mecca. - What? - Yeah. - I just want to kiss you. - Oh, I want to kiss you. - I'm having the best time. - I know 'cause you would tell me. - And I think you're the cutest person on the whole planet. - I love you. - I really do. - This is the best day of my life. - And your last thirst trap. - You saw? - I fucking saw that. - You saw that? - It was just like on my 4U page or something. - You're lying. - I'm not lying. I open Instagram and it was you. - What do you think? - I thought it was so sexy. - I've been really in the gym. - I'm so proud of you. Doesn't it feel so good? - And it just, I want to show everyone. - Does any, don't you feel so, I love being in the gym. - It's, I love being in the gym. I love sweating. And then I love feeling like, well, the best is when you wake up morning skinny. And then you go to the gym still on morning skinny and then you work out and then you like tone morning skinny. - Oh. - The best. - That one that I had a tan. - Do you stay, do you have a real tan? - No, so that was fake tan. - There's nothing that feels better than a spray tan. - Nothing. - Fresh spray tan? - It's like, it's, it's God's gift to this green earth. You feel like fitter. - You feel hotter. - Totally. - You just feel sexy. Like your face has this subtle glow to you. - Sometimes I think I'm depressed and then I get a spray tan and I'm like, I was just pale. - Yeah. - You know? - What does a bad day look like for you? - A bad day. (laughing) I don't have any bad days. No, of course I have bad days. I mean, it depends what's happening. - Right. - You know, I've had really, I've had bad days. - Yeah. (laughing) - What the fuck is happening? - I don't know. - We need a simple line. - Ooh. (laughing) - Cheers. - I've never been in this nervous or silent on a podcast ever. - Stop. - What's wrong with me today? - You're doing great, just like you're doing great. - You're doing great, you don't seem nervous at all. - You're lying. - I'm not lying. - Okay. - Louise and I were talking. When you carried an Instagram dump, how do you pick your song? (gasping) - Thank you for asking. (laughing) The songs are the hardest for me. - Every time. - The songs are so hard. I know a few people who are really good at it. I think they're keeping it in their notes or something. - You think? - I think they're like prepared for this shit 'cause there's no way you can be under pressure you're about to post this dump that you've been working on for hours and you could just pick a perfect song. They have to be, we have to do better. - Do you work on it for hours? - Yes. - It really doesn't read that way. That's like your whole, like that is your whole vibe to me. Like it's just like you just do it and it happens. - I love that. - Is there like, do you have any notes? - Note for your dumps. - Yeah, for my dumps or for my post, like do you wish that? - No, I would only say more. I just want more, like every time you do. - You want more? - Like your 2016 post, I was sat. - I know, fuck, I don't know who that was anymore. - Yes, you don't know that. - It's hard for me to, maybe it's like, I just, I really work a lot more than you did when you were. - Then I did, then. - Yeah. - Like every day, I feel like all I do is just like, I'm working or I'm at the office and then I'm with my children and then I'm working on myself and then I'm, you know, in a relationship and then I'm having my friends and then I-- - Right. - So it's like, I'm not like back then. I felt like I had more free time to just like play. - What was it like looking back at that era? - It was amazing. (upbeat music) - Thank you, SeekGeek for sponsoring this episode. 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(laughs) - Like if it camel, no, it's chocolate. - It's chocolate brown, and it's, okay. - What is it, silver hardware? - Silver hardware. - Gorgeous. - Do you have a favorite Birkin? - The one that I wore today, I die for. The matte black crock with the silver. That I wear like every day. - Uh-huh. - And then the Himalayan Diamonds is also like- - Are you sourcing these? Or are you buying these direct from the store? - Most of them direct from the store. Older ones that I have. I have sourced to them, but now I just, if I'm gonna buy it, I just, that's gorgeous. Wait. - And I beat it up. - I'm obsessed with this. It's like long. - It's long, it's very long. - This is gorgeous. Wow, this is really cool. - Wait, and it's like, like I want this bag. - I'll bring it down, I'll show you. - And we need to see it in person. This is everything. And it, it's like a work bag. - I bring it, I brought it to work today. - It's a travel bag. - I bring it on the plane. I feel so con, bringing it with the, walking through the airport and throwing it on the thingy, like. - That's everything. - When did you start your bag collection? - I got my first bag from my mommy. I think for like my 18th of my day. Most of my new bags now are from my mom. It's like our, it's our love language. - Sharing bags. - Christmas, Bergen. Berthay, Bergen. And we just, back and forth, back and forth. - Oh. - Isn't that beautiful? - Well, when I spoke to her at Vandy Fair, she did say you were her favorite kid right now. - We have a beautiful relationship. - What, what was it like growing up? Like, do you remember a before, cameras? - I do. - Yes. - But not a lot of men. memories. It was nine. They were just like they were there one day and just they were there one day in the house and everyone made it seemingly normal. So it felt pretty natural. I will say. Do you have a favorite memory from filming like the earlier seasons? The earlier seasons were the best and so many memories. I felt like it really kind of brought us all together. It still does today and like we're all hanging out this Sunday we were doing like a movie night at my mom's house. No cameras. But other than that are like our schedules and our lives and our kids and everything it gets to be a lot that filming really brings us and keeps us together. Because we all were working together. It's like family dinner. It's like everyone come and film. Yeah. So it's been a blessing and and yeah. So many fun memories. The beginning was the best. Everything. Everything. I watched it when I'm sad. Me too. It's the best. I mean you remember the vine. My family's in there. Oh yeah. You were vine queen. Vine was the best. I miss it every day. Me too. I can't believe it's just like deleted. Do you remember any of your vines? Of course. Do you remember the shirt you wore? Which one? It was there was holes in it. It was like off the shoulder. The gray one. Yeah. Do you still have? No. I know that would have been so special to ring to you. I know. And Keke. Keke of course. Keke was. Keke was. What was Keke? So Keke was actually a deal that came to us after I think. Yes. I know. You heard it here first. I was getting what? I was getting paid to do. You did a fucking stand-up job. Let me tell you. Thank you. Because everyone started using it. And I like hat. Yes. And I had to keep. You've Loki lived so many lives. I have now that I'm honestly sitting here talking to you. I do feel that way. You used to like when you were on the show, you were like telling you were like we used to shut down malls. Yes. You used to shut the mall down. Shut the mall down. You broke books. Yes. Absolutely. The malls were shut down. Cannot I talk about that often? Because when you're in it and you're so young, you don't even realize like what's happening. Right. And then when you are an adult and you look back to it, you're like oh my god, we were children and we had no idea. Like this was how crazy this was. Right. It was just life. It was just working. Yes. We were just working and it just it was wild. And do you, is there like one job you remember that you're like what the fuck was that? Like the appearances or? Like appearances or anything. Oh my god, for sure. There's definitely there's definitely memories that Kendall and I will send to each other all the time. Like wait, what? We did this. There's like photos that we find that were like this was crazy. But I think I can think of at the top of my head. There were a few mall appearances like going to Australia. Okay. Was really crazy. Like I've never seen more people and fans in my whole life. But what were you there for? Were you promoting the book? We were there for Pakistan, I think. Oh, how can I forget? Yeah. Of course. How can I forget the packs on collab? The packs on collab. We were there for packs on. For some reason, packs on reminds me of the Malibu Country Mart. Even though I don't think there was one there. Yeah. But I remember your Malibu Country Mart era. Loved Malibu Country Mart. Oh my god, I was just looking at photos because I'm going to girls chat right now. And like I have to shake these photos. And they all want to plan a brandy trip. Like they're like we have to go after hours to brandy. I mean. Like Haley's like where it all started. And I'm like stop babe. We have the same shirt. Shut the fuck up. And we're just all sending photos. Like hello, Randy. That shirt. This shirt. That shirt. I go if we don't come out of here with stripes. You're you did it wrong. Yeah. I'm like I'm definitely joining you guys. The the Malibu Country Mart changed so much though. You can't say this. You can't. My god. Oh shit. The Tim's like was. The Tim's. When did you start using Tumblr? Tumblr was. I don't remember. Do you remember your URL? California class. California class. Yeah. No idea. I can't remember the episode where Kim was so jealous of your Tumblr. I always like you know. They've come they come around. Like I was on Snapchat and they were like what is Snapchat? And then they didn't then like you know. Is that where King Kylie started? It was on a Snapchat user name. King Kylie started because I saw someone. I saw someone. Call me that. And you were just like yeah. Like that's King Kylie. Like I heard it's like in an interview. Like someone talking about it. I don't even remember where at this point. And I was like King Kylie. I died for that. Yeah. And then I just ran with it. I don't even remember how that happens. I don't remember life before. This is so cute. Oh I know that was when Lord came. Oh. That's why everyone still lived here. Did you ever have a roommate? My first house. Stoss lived with me and Jordan. Was that fun? It was a lot of fun. I needed that at that time. Yeah. I don't think I could have. We also were so attached before that. That it would have just felt unnatural too. How did you guys all meet school? I met Stoss super early days. She was like stoss times a hundred. And in Calabasis the only thing to really do is go to the commons on Friday. Do you know what the commons is? Yeah. It's like an outdoor mall. Yeah. It's movie theater. Yeah. Pick up sticks. So then she came to the commons and she was wearing like she had a one broken leg. And she was like hopping on a broken leg. The other leg was like a hug. She was wearing the shortest shorts you've ever seen in your whole life. I was like oh my god. I could never go out like that. I saw her at the thing and I was like in the personality and this and like I'm like she's like me. Yeah. She's like a different version of me. And she was just crazy and I thought I thought her craziness was like amazing. And then I saw her again through a mutual friend. And I think she thought my craziness was amazing because I showed up and I was running around the house and I came dressed in like a costume and I was just Kylie. And then we had a slip over that night and literally she moved in. We never like for four years. That's beautiful. Yeah. And then misfit started. Do you ever reminisce on those? Of course. That's what was my childhood. Did you ever get in trouble with your parents via something they found out that you did in the press? Yes. But I never was really like that crazy. I think I was just very free spirited and very like funny and very I still am that way. But I wasn't ever like doing hard drugs or like so yeah. But were your parents like chill like with like you drinking like were they like a cool mob cool parents or like what? I was afraid of my parents. I definitely respected them. I wouldn't say they were super lenient but they they gave me the space and together I was their 10th child. Right. So I think there was and they had me really late like my mom had me at 42 almost. And my dad was a bit older. So I think they were just like my mom was in work mode. And yeah they gave me the space. I don't think I think like we were the last generation to really like grow up like that because now we never cell phone our parents didn't know where we were all day. You are the last generation to do that. Now it's like can you imagine sending me off. No. The fact that she can like make cohesive sentences now. I know. It's really crazy. I've entered a different like stage of motherhood. What stage are you in? I mean I have an eight year old stage. Eight? She's eight years old. She's my age when we started giving them with the Kardashians almost. Why does that make me feel old? I know. What? I remember when I had her and I used to be like I'm going to be 28 within a year old. You were 20 when you had stored me? I was 19 when I got pregnant. Were you like can I ask what were you like freaking out? I was freaking out. I was freaking out. I was freaking out. I was really scared to tell my parents. And how did that go? And it was I was really scared but I was really scared but there was something just inside of me that knew that I wanted to do this. I had to make a decision for myself like what do I really want? What can I handle? And even if I have to do this alone or however like this is the choice that I'm going to make. And and then I told my mom. put on the wine or like cry. - No, I was gonna say I'm drunk. - Yeah, I like to, now we're like crying. - Yeah. - No one was like angry at me, no one. It was just, it was crazy, crazy times. - Because it stormed me ever as like, what do you do? - Of course. - And does she like understand? - She knows mommy makes makeup. - Got it. - And she loves to go to Ulta. - Really? - She loves to go to Ulta. She loves to go to Ulta shop for makeup and other products and she likes to buy my things and she likes my lip butter. She knows I make makeup. She knows I'm like always leaving for work. - Right. - I go to the office, I travel. So I explain to her, you know, why this is important. Why I need to leave and I try to keep her involved. I think it's important for her to know what her mom does and why I'm gone. - A thousand percent. - Yeah. - Wow. And does she ever question cameras or is she just like, that's life? - She actually loves it. And I have to be the one to like set boundaries 'cause she want, we made a little TikTok last night and she begged me to do it. And I could, sometimes we make TikToks and I'll just do it 'cause she thinks it's fun. And then I will never post them. But the one that we made last night I did post. But she loves to be on camera. Like, did you see the paparazzi photos of us the other day going into the restaurant and she was smiling big? She like, when she sees a camera, she's like. - She's you, she loves it. - Exactly. - How went her birthday? - She's February 1st. - Oh, she's in a query, yeah, a query, yes, right? - February 1st, Leo Rising. I'm a Leo. My son is February 2nd. - That's kind of crazy. - It's crazy. - I finished my glass. - Okay, I'll finish it now. - I know. - You have a lot to go. - Of course you're drunk. - I know that's a, I am a lot less nervous. You're very disarming. - Thank you. - Yeah. - I love that. - And I've noticed that from the moment that I met you at that Charlie X X show. I was like, oh, she like makes you feel like you're her friend, even if she-- - I don't ever want to make people, I don't want to come off intimidating. - Well, you do, but you don't, if that makes sense. You're like the really, really pretty girl in high school who would make everyone feel special. - It really is genuine. - Yeah. - I don't want to make people feel scared. - Yes. - What are you watching on TV? - I'm watching the testaments. - The testaments? - It's called the testaments, right? The handmaids? - Oh, is it a spinoff? - Yes. - Okay. - I love the handmaids tail. - Uh-huh. - The eye for the handmaids tail. Have you ever seen the show industry? - I haven't. - You would love it. It's about stockbrokers in England. - Okay. - And they all do drugs and party. - Okay. - Like, fuck each other, and it's like, it might describe you in it correctly. - Yeah, but it's really, it's kind of like succession. I'm gonna write it down. - It is the contiest show on television. - Yes. - The two main girls fight all the time. - Okay. - And like, they fuck each other over, and like, are like, low key lovers? - No. - I'm always looking for a good new show. What else am I gonna do? - The industry is great. - Should we keep going? - Yeah. - Wait, so I just watched the caterpillar documentary. Have you seen that? But the guy, he changes his eye color. - What? - That's not one's a little crazy. I started the second season of beef. - I haven't even seen the first. - I'm into it. - Okay. - I'm really into it. I didn't finish the first season, but I'm into the second. What else? - Movies? - I just watched the enemy again. - If I didn't, they'll know. - Ooh. Kind of cinephile? Do you have a letterbox? - I do, but I like downloaded it 'cause my friends made me, and then I just never opened the app again. The enemy is kind of crazy. You should watch it. - What's it about? - You just have to watch it. - Okay. - It's about a guy who is watching movies, and see someone in the movie that looks exactly like him. And then it goes from there. - How old is it? - 2013. - 2013. - Did you ever go to IPEC? - Of course. - You know, it just closed. - I know, I'm so upset. - It's so sad. - It's so sad. That was my theater because they always had, like we would always do little private things there all the time. - Did you watch 902 and L as a kid? - I didn't. - You would have loved 902 and L. - I'm trying to think of what I watched. - Gossip Girl? - Yes, earlier seasons. - Yeah, like Vampire Diaries. - Of course, I just rewatched everything. I got to like season six and then I stopped. - Were you team Damon or team Stefan? - Oh, it goes back and forth. - I was team Damon. - At first I'm team Stefan, and then I go hard left to team Damon, hard left to team Damon. And then once like, you know, Damon's in the picture for a while, I go back to Stefan. - Yeah, you're like, it's too much. - I'm like, wait, but Stefan. - That is the best show of all time. - It is. - It really, really is. - It is. - I stopped because I'm like, when it's over, it's over. I probably will take a few years off again. - Did you watch, have you ever seen Scandal? - Yes. - That's like my favorite show. - Yeah, Scandalism was amazing. - Girls? - No. - I think you would like it. Kendall always talks about girls, but no. - What's like the, like what is your, like, prime differences between you two? - There are many. There are many. She, well, first of all, she's like my favorite person on the planet. And I think as I get older, you just, do you have siblings? - I have a younger brother. It's his birthday today. (laughing) This is birthday today. - Be birthday Luke. - Happy birthday Luke. (laughing) - I think as you get older too, you like, she's just my best friend. She's my right or die. We are like totally different people. It's really interesting. She's type A, I'm type B. - Yeah. How are you type B? - I'm, go with the flow. - Uh-huh. - I don't really like make plans. My brain, like I'm a little bit messy, but I hate to say that. - You're messy. - Like, yeah, kind of honestly. - Yeah, like. - But not in like a, I just am so disrespectful to my home and my like, shits everywhere. I think like the way that my brain works is not like, (humming) - Right. - Like I'm a little like, I have piles of things, places. - Of course. - But I know where everything is. - Yeah. - But I come from a family of type A's. - They're really? - Everybody is crazy. - Is your mom type A as well? - Yes, oh my God. - Right. - Crazy. - The most. - Very organized, very, and I'm just not, I don't have that in me. - Yeah, I, or I'll cook. - What do you like to cook? - I like to cook tacos. I like to cook pastas. Stake, I'm really into making steak these days. - How do you take your steak? - I like it like medium, well. - You're like my friends. - I'm going into medium. I'm slowly going into medium, but I'm, but I'm medium. - What is it about the well done that you like? - I didn't say well done. - I said medium well. - And what do you like about that? - So it's a little bit of pink. - Like, how much pink? - Like a little bit of pink. - Uh huh. - But, like I said, I'm going into well, medium. - Medium. - So you're going more pink. - Sorry, yes, I'm going to medium. - What is your kids favorite thing that you make? - They, I mean mommy potatoes. - Mommy potatoes. - They call it mommy potatoes, but it's my potatoes. - That's really cute. - And they have it for breakfast, lunch, dinner, they love the potatoes that I make. And pancakes, my son really likes my banana pancakes. - Yum. - So yummy. - Yum. - He likes my banana pancakes. I really like cooking, um, Thanksgiving food, honestly. - Thanksgiving food has never done it for me. - Oh, it's the best. Like, what, what things giving food do you like? - Can, do you like candy dams? - I don't mind them. - Why? - Why are you saying it like that? - I don't mind, like I don't like like the, what cranberry shit that they have going on. Like, it's everything. - Let's go through the whole thing. - Okay. - Candy dams. - Fine. - But fine? I don't think you've had five candy dams. - What is it you have? - Is that like a potato? - Yeah, it's fine. - It's a fucking potato. (laughing) - Okay. Green bean casserole. What? Why not? - Wait, I don't even know what, like, it scares me. - Do you like ham? - Love ham, love ham. - You know what? Do you like fried chicken? - Love fried chicken. - I think you should come over. I'm not kidding. - Don't play with me. - And I'll make you candy dams, green bean casserole, and fried chicken. And I think you're gonna love it. - I'm shaking. - I think you're gonna love it. - I'm gonna take you up on that. - Don't tell me with a good time, I swear. - I like belief you. - I would die to do that. - Okay, I wanna do it. - Okay. - That's the, we're gonna do it. - Okay. And it's okay if you don't like it. I mean, you're gonna love it. - I know I'm gonna love it. - Promise. - But if you're like, this just really isn't my excuse, you could just have the fried chicken. - I love fried chicken. You know what I was gonna ask you about crumble cookies? - Oh yeah. - Do you really like crumble cookies? - I really did, I did because I saw them everywhere and I don't really get out much these days. - Like you just spend your days in your home? - Well I travel a lot, but when I'm in LA, for some reason when I'm here, it's hard for me to leave the house. - Why do you think that is? - I think that's because honestly, paparazzi or in LA, it's just easier to be spotted I think. So the thought of like trying to find an outfit and like getting ready and present, and then I go back and forth because that's a silly way to think about it, but it's honestly the truth. - But do they just wait by your house for your car to leave? - No, because I don't really leave. - Got it. - So they don't really wait for me anymore. Do you remember the height of it? Like did it used to be way worse? - It used to be so insane. You, I don't even know how I'm like a normal person right now. - Like what was it like? - The things that they would say to me and how they would treat me as a child is diabolical, like inappropriate, I would be coming out of a thing and they'd be like you fucking slut. - What? - When I was 16. - You're lying. - I'm not lying. The things that they would say to me, I would never try to give them a photo. So I would just jump in the car and then they would be like six of them and they would stand in front of my car as I was like 16, like turning my car on whatever. And they would all stand out 'cause I would just be like, you know hiding and they would just be like oh, I'm protect like, you know mock me. - Why? - They wanted to just make more money off a scandalous photo. - And they wanted you to be like this crazy. - And I was an underage girl by herself. I didn't have security. I didn't have security till after I had my daughter because I really didn't wanna be. I really wanted to not have security. I wanted to be normal. I wanted to be with my friends. I wanted to be on my own in the world. Like I did not want it. - And so you were just completely alone. - Yes. - And that must have been so scary. - It was scary at times. - When is it not gifting season? That I don't know. But I do know that once again, it is coming up. We have Mother's Day and Father's Day. 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See terms at Venmo.me/stashterms. Venmo checkout not available at all merchants. Thank you again, Venmo, for sponsoring this episode. (upbeat music) - Best time ever. And I'm just so grateful that I'm able to see the behind the scenes. - Of this? - Yeah, 'cause I've watched some episodes and I see it on TikTok and whatever. But to see the behind the scenes is so special. - Do you feel comfortable? - Yeah, I'm so happy when I was at a house. - I know you were like, I thought I was walking into a studio. - Yeah, and I feel like studios like kind of make you feel, ugh, like not, you know, comfortable. - Right. - This is perfect. - Okay, I'm so glad. Well, are you ready to do the Tell Me What's Wrongs? - Yes. - Okay. I cannot figure out my own style and fashion for the life of me. I hate everything I wear and it's so hard to feel confident. I'm a creative person too, and follow random fashion accounts, et cetera. But anytime I'm in a changing room, it's tears. I get overwhelmed and end up picking up only the safe options and then hate myself for it later. How do I break the cycle? - First of all, me too. I feel like I get into that cycle too, do you? Or is it easy for you? - No, it's, I'm like, for the longest time would only wear like the same, like I hate trying on jeans. I hate trying not, like trying on pants is like my worst nightmare. - Why? So you have like a few-- - I have like three or four pairs of pants that I wear. - Okay, but I love that. - Yeah. There's so many things because I'm like, I only want things that just make me feel good. Like I want 10 pairs of jeans. Two leather pants, like I don't need, I think it's, I think that actually helps. I would say that's my advice. Like go through your closet, really try on everything and see what fits you the best, downsize, and also, what would be my advice for that? - You have such a creative and like individual style. I feel like that's why people loved you so much from the start, like you had your own thing going on. How did you like find that on, like, how were, like how did you find confidence to like own your own style? - When I was dressing, I mean, back then, I really wasn't looking, I feel like when you start to look at other people and maybe what works for them might not always work for you. What makes me feel good? What kind of colors make me feel good? Like I was really experimenting back then. Now I'm a little more, I do get in my head about it though. It's hard, I will say. But then when I have a moment, when I'm like freaking out about an outfit too much and I've spent over like 40 minutes trying to pick an outfit, I'm just like, you know what? I'm gonna put on my favorite pair of jeans and a fucking white top and I'm gonna enjoy the night. I mean, you know what changed my life was when you went to Coachella in a leather jacket and jeans. And I talk about it. I actually talk about it. I pretty much spoke about it on this podcast as like my Mecca for Coachella outfits. - Oh my God, I love that. - 'Cause I was like, she just didn't care. She just went in leather jacket. - And sometimes it has to be like that. Sometimes it has to be like that and you pick your moments because trying to pick an outfit, it will make me spiral, it will make me over thing and then I get there and I'm like in the worst mood. When I start to feel myself getting that mood, I'm like I'm putting on the most simple outfit and I'm getting a cute bag or whatever and I'm just gonna enjoy the night. - Sometimes it's about the accessories. I agree, absolutely. - Like sometimes it's about a ring or a necklace or a bracelet that will make your, you feel like you're not just wearing something simple. - Absolutely, that's good advice. - Yeah, thanks. Every time I encounter a situation with a guy and he starts showing interest in me, I pull away. I've done this since I was younger and now I'm in my mid 20s. I think I'm defensive because I'm scared of rejection. Oh, me too. How do I allow myself to become vulnerable without my brain convincing me there is something wrong with the guy? - What do you have to say about that? - I'm the same way. I'm terrified of rejection. I'm like terrified of it. And I get it all the time and it's horrible. - So what's your advice for that? - My advice is like you, it's like jumping into cold water. Like you just have to do it. - That one's hard. - Dating's hard nowadays. I think I might be genuinely stupid. I did fine in school, but like I literally don't understand the subtext or whatever of anything I watch or listen to or read. I'm always just like, I liked that or that was weird. I've been hanging out with these people who are more creative and it feels like they're running laps around me after we watch a show or a movie. Is this a valid insecurity? - It's definitely valid and I feel like that in different ways too. I'm in situations where people run laps around me all the time, but then we'll be in a different situation. I can run laps around them all the time. You know, I think it's just you're not gonna be super educated and every single or maybe you are. - Right. - But I don't think you're gonna be like, yeah, but I've been in situations like that too. Where I'm like, I have not my like art friends and stuff. Like I'm just kind of diving into it and learning, but they're like, you know, this are in the down, and I'm like, I have no idea what you guys are saying. - No, no idea. But then if they're like, they wanna talk to you about clothes, you'll know. - Yes, clothes, movies, children. - Yeah. - Like a wife. - Oh, make up. (laughing) - Okay. - Podcast, you know. - You do, you are kind of an expert in podcasts now. - I'm not. - You kind of are. - You think so. - I kind of think so. - You're in your podcast era. - Oh my God. - You're either gonna leave this podcast being like, I'm never doing a podcast again, or that was fun. - I would come back here every day. - No, you would. - Yes, I would. This is so much fun. - I have you to really fun time with you. - Me too. I think I need a podcast. - Kylie, don't fucking play with me right now. If you had a podcast, I would be sat weekly. Weekly sat. - That's kind of cute too, if we were like really sat. Like what if we just sat on the floor in my podcast and I called it sat with Kylie. - Yes. But yeah, I would say the advice is that you are smarter in areas that you're not allowing yourself to do all. - It's okay if you're not educated in movies or whatever she says. - I'm barely educated in movies. - Bye, who cares? Let them educate. - Yeah, you can always Google it. - Sure, chat GPT. - Chat. - Hello, chat. - You know. - And then, you know, the things that you are educated on. - Yeah. Yes, by the way, the worst device, okay? No, but it's, but it is good advice like you are educated and stuff that they're not educated in. Yeah. So who cares? So wait your turn. Wait your turn. Wait your turn. Wait your turn. You just fucking wait. Yeah. Cheers. How many times have we cherished? Like a million. Cheers. After every question. We do. My best friends and extrovert who doesn't know how to spend time alone. Well, I'm an introvert who needs a loan time after being with anyone for too long. She always wants me to be with her. On runs, on calls, study dates. I love her, but it's really annoying. I'm with her six out of the seven days a week and it's draining my energy and making me resent her. She can't take a hint and will pass from me until I agree to be with her. I'm not friends. Well, she wants to have sex with you. I'm just kidding. Wait, so you're the friend that pesters till they, I need to be with people at all times. I can't be alone. I you. I used to be like that. I think I grew out of it, but I definitely used to. I can understand that feeling. Until you're like, you know what it was? It was like me forced to be alone when I was pregnant for the first time. Oh, cuz. And that changed everything for me. I've never had so much alone time in my life and now I'm a different person because of it. What did you do with that alone time? Nothing. Well, I would make a schedule for myself in my head. Yeah. I had to make schedule so I didn't go crazy. Right. But yeah. Um, anyway. What the fuck was the question? Oh, I need those jeans is what I was planning on. The Kai jeans. I need. Right. You said you don't like trying on jeans. I know, but I said to Louise show them off and the Kai on the ass is just everything. They're the best like baggy low rise. This is like a style we did off of like our best selling style. No, it's not. What is it when you're like selling things? Oh, it's even. QVC. By now. No, these are these are the best. I really want those jeans. I said to Louise, I was like, I need those fucking jeans. The size, do you think you'd be though? They're not actually. I don't know about that. I'll send you like three. Yeah. What does that mean? Multiple sizes. I mean, three. Um, but what was the question? Yeah, right. Wait, she's, um, oh, she, she can't be, this friend can't be alone. Okay. So. Okay. My advice, my only advice to that is clear communication. Okay. Are you? She has to sit her down and say, I actually, this is how I'm actually feeling. Right. I think communication and being honest in any relationship is very important. And you need to just have a conversation with your friend, but are you, are you confrontational? Yes. I, I got that. I think I am. I think you are. I'm confrontational. Sorry. This is such a pivot. But did you ever have like any college experience at all? Like, did you ever like go to a college party? Like, did you ever like, college, I might have missed a little bit. I went to a lot of high school parties, lots of high school parties. The college was, you're 20, I'm like, were you ever worried about people like filming you drinking when you were underage? Um, yeah, but was the phone like less present than that it was now because I feel like everyone's out now. The phone was way less present. And I think we would hide it. We would put in like a drink or like, sauce would be there and like, past me like a little sip of something or like, you know, if we're like smoking a cigarette she'd like, under and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but cigarettes are kind of back. Oh, cigarettes are so black, thank God I've been like hiding. They're back. They're back. I'm only a drunk. I'm really only a drunk. There's very few times where I'm like, I need a cigarette. I'm in Europe in the summer, like midday. I'll wake up and smoke cigarette and get up. Exactly. Like, bye. There are no rules. Yeah, there are no rules. I'm on the terrace of my hotel room cigarette because they burn so fast in Europe. They're perfect. They're perfect. Oh my god, I want to go to Europe right now. I want to go to Europe too. I want to go to Europe. I want to go now. I'm having Europe somewhere. Are you really? No plans, but I'm going to be there. Okay. I'm going to go to, I'm in France all of June. France all of June. Okay. Oh, she's saying now? All of June. Manifest, babe. Yeah. I'm in France all of June. It's all of June. And I'm going to smoke cigarettes all of June with my hot French boyfriend. Honestly, I know. Should we smoke after this? Yes. Okay. We'll smoke after this. Okay. Because we had our wine. Yeah. And we deserve that. Of course we deserve that. It's the least we can do for ourselves. You want to know who's the best person? Who? Chris Jenner. I mean, you've met her on that carpet. Yeah. Is that the only time? Yes. No. Yes. That is the only time. Person on the planet like she really is the way that she lives life is so inspiring and her energy like when we go on vacation together When we're out together like she her vibration is so on another level and like she just enjoys life. She enjoys people She's like, you know wants everyone to feel good. She's She's just living her best life. No this generation. We don't drink anymore. We don't do anything We don't like cook and invite people over for a fried chicken. Well, it's because of COVID It's because of COVID. It's because of TikTok. It's because of like everyone just wants to lay in bed and just be on the internet I feel numb to my surroundings and life right now I'm right out of college and even just ended my four-year relationship and I really don't feel sad or nostalgic about anything Just like I wake up and do my thing and that's it I'm worried that I'm like a psychopath or something and if I stay this way And that I'll stay this way if it if it's just a phase. What can I do to get out of it? You know when you're a kid time moves really slow. Yes, very slow time moves very slow years are like centuries And I read something recently that says the reason that that you felt like that is a child is because you were experiencing so many new things at once So as an adult instead of getting into routine where time moves really fast Do new things go to Kylie's house and eat fried chicken, you know, take a pottery class So I started doing things to help time move a little bit slower. You've opened my third eye. Yes You've literally opened my third eye like literally book a pottery class do do do random shit a Disneyland Oh, I love Disneyland. Yeah, but we've done that we've done that a bunch of times, too But like do something Do something new don't have a Euro summer go to Australia But we're having a Euro summer We're having a Euro summer. Yeah, I'm so sorry. I said anything No, but yeah Jake an amazing guest I've been thinking about breaking up with my therapist for a while I'm just so scared of starting over like she knows everything about me But she also agrees with me all the time it gives me the most basic ask quotes I'm just paying her to rant at this point, but at the same time I kind of need that to help She needs to move on. She needs to move on. I'm breaking up with my therapist right now break up with your therapist and who cares if she knows everything Right, it's not like she's gonna say anything Was that ever a concern for you talking to a therapist like No, but a little bit. Yeah, I'm still a little guarded and I've had two therapist experiences now. I don't have one I don't know were they like spoke to people no no no no no But when I'm I'm just saying I've only had experience with two Therapists and not for a long time like I'm not in therapy right now Wow, I know that about you. Yeah, and you're just able to kind of like raw dog life. Exactly I've totally raw dog life and I'm fine. You seem fine. Thank you. I Think what I need to do and what I do often which I think is really healthy is like delete the apps Like what like take talk and like I'll take a week every now and then sometimes to and just like delete the apps You're just like it becomes loud. Yes Delete the apps live life because I don't know My last question for you. Okay, like ever wait. No, not ever are you having fun? I'm having the best time But I feel like I'm trapping you. Oh, I need to ask you. Yeah, Bora Bora. Is it as beautiful as it seems. I didn't love Bora Bora You did it. Go to Turtsin K goes babe. Okay. Did you have you been a turksky goes for best place ever. What's it like? Oh my god Let me tell you everything tell me tell me the mornings the weather the sunrise is the sun sets the way that the air feels The fucking sand the crystal blue water is the water warm. Oh The water's warm. I need it every day. I'm warning not being there, which probably isn't healthy, but I'm like It's the warm water the sand the gorgeousness the food you should go for your birthday. I know Where were you justification in? was just vacationing in the Bahamas. I mean well highly what did we learn today? I learned. This has been one of the most I feel so locked in with you right now. I feel so locked in. I want to cigarette now. Now. Do we have some at the house? My security always has them. Can we please smoke security emergency cigarette. But your security is so lovely the best when they came over to like check out the surroundings like they they just spoke so highly of you and it made me so much more excited for this. Like I was like I'm so nervous and they're like she's so good at it. Oh, that's really sweet. Yeah. And then Manny out there was like they're the best. I was like Manny is like my like he literally like well like take my daughter somewhere like I trust him. With yeah. Yeah my kids. But what did we learn today? We learned that. First of all this is my kid. Who's Colin? Hello. Hi. Okay. Bye. I love you. It's really cute. What are we gonna do? Do you want babies? I think I do want babies. But like I think I want to do it the Indie Cohen way. What's the Indie Cohen way? 40 adopt to call it a day. I like that. Yeah. Theo and Annabel. She right? I love you and Annabel. I love Annabel. Right? Yes. Yeah. And that's what I want to name my two babies. I want to adopt them and call it a day. Even if I'm not with someone, that's what I want. Well, Kylie, this has been a dream. Thank you for doing this. I'm so happy. I couldn't be happier to be here. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I think you're the best. You are the best. You are the best. You're the best. And I had so much fun with you and I didn't even for the first time didn't even notice everything else. Sorry. Let's have a cigarette. Bye, Pisces. I love you. Imagine setting your makeup. Then forgetting. It's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day, comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Plump, dewy, hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new groupie setting mist from Maybelline, New York.