Session 108: Nick Jonas

(upbeat music) - But um, hi Pussy's, welcome back to Therapos. Tonight for intro, we have Cassidy. - Do you talk about our dark day? - I am enjoying myself here. - You're just set, you have to get back to LA. - Okay, well I'm enjoying myself here. - Well I'm enjoying having you here. - Do you want to go home? - To Jake, when Jake leaves me, it becomes really dark. Like very dark. - You leave the apartment? - No, the day after Jake leaves, my whole day is spent in the apartment. It's a really dark place. - What do you do in the apartment when you're alone? - I rot. I like to rot and marinate in my bed. - What do you think about? - I don't really have like thoughts anymore because my overthinking kind of stopped after I started taking likes from. - Do you think that's helped you? - I think it's helped me a lot. - What do you do? - Oh wow, good for you, Kos. - My overthinking is like really dark. It's a really scary place. - Like give me an example. - What do you mean? Like I can't explain it. I've no thoughts in my head anymore. (laughs) I already don't have thoughts in my head. But like, you know what I mean? - What have you talked to your psychiatrist about how much you want about it? - I was so, I had a few meetings. I was supposed to meet with him like last month and I ghosted him. I'm also ghosting my therapist still right now, but we're gonna get back into it soon. - How is your therapist? - She's good. - When's the last time you saw her? - Saw her two weeks ago. - What'd you guys talk about? - I'm trauma. I had a few dark months. I didn't recognize myself in that era. - A few different hair colors. (laughs) - Jake just admitted to me that when I dyed my hair for night, it was really bad. - But in the moment I didn't think so. - You told me it was what, thank you. - The brunette era was a moment. Give me that. - Yeah. But like now you're saying you hated it. - Whoa, okay. - But my picture's a lot. - It was blonde and then it was pink. - I went, I'm going to my pink in two weeks. - I liked the pink. - The pink is everything. - What else? - So this is on Netflix. - Oh my God, okay. So we need to talk about more normal things. - Okay, what's something that you did this weekend that brought you joy? - I stayed in last night that actually brought me a lot of joy. I think I needed that. You're excited for your show today? - Mm-hmm. - So Jake banned me from seeing his Broadway shows. I don't know why. But I think it's because the last two times I was there, I was front row. And every single time he would look at me, I would actually just lose my shit. And he was holding in his laughter on stage so hard that I felt so bad because he almost broke. I almost, I almost made you laugh 15 times last time I was there. - I knew he used up worse. - At the time before I went with Alice and it was probably Jake's worst nightmare. - What do you think about when you're alone? - When I'm alone, it can get dark, like what do you mean? Like my thoughts, I'm just thinking about like what you would think about day to day. What do you think about when you're alone? - I think about losing everybody in my life. - Yeah, that's like definitely what you think about, which I don't understand, but really scary. - Uh-huh, I think about how I'm gonna end up alone. - So when you're thinking about that, you're manifesting it. So you need to start thinking more positively in your head. - Like how? - Like you need to stop saying you're gonna end up alone because when you say it, this is what I was taught. When you say it-- - We taught you that. - My therapist. - Okay. - When you say it, like you're putting that out there 'cause you know I do the same thing. But like if you've changed it and you're like, I'm gonna find this amazing person within the year then that's what's gonna happen, you're manifesting it. - What is something that you've manifested recently? That's work. - Styling. - And now I've been out. - Oh my God, why don't we take this time? - Yes. - Why don't we take this time? Cassidy, who has some of the best style that I know. - Thank you, that's actually really sweet. - It's true. - Thank you. - Is venturing into the styling industry. - I've always wanted to style. - You've always wanted to. So if any of you need to be styled for a shoot, for life, Cassidy and Michaela Brown, has that your middle name? - Yeah. - Has got you, okay? - Can you remember? - You just messaged her Cassidy and Brown on Instagram? - Got you, except you haven't let me style yet. - Well, I have a stylist. Her name is Cindy Lopez and I love her dear love. - It's awesome, yes. - Who's your favorite stylist in the world? - Andrew's something. I don't remember his last name, but he is popping off. He styles Margot Robbie right now. Have you seen her recent face? - Yeah, she's always, she's always something I may say. - She's always looking amazing, but holy shit, she's looking insane because of her stylist. - Well, tonight on Therapist, we have Nick Jonas, who is a dear friend. Were you a Jonas Brothers fan? - I was a Jonas Brothers fan. - Yeah. - He was my favorite, actually. Love Joe, love Kevin, but Nick was my boy. - Okay, well, Nick is on Therapist day. He was actually the first person to ever interact with any of my stuff. He's the only reason that I have a career I would say. And he is so lovely, so kind. His new album Sunday Best is out now. It is incredible. Please listen to it if you have, and it is really just truly amazing. He is so amazing. There's also only one more week of All Out on Broadway. It ends Sunday, March 8th. Please get your tickets online. It is me, Ray Romano, Nicholas Braun, Jenny Slay, written by Simon Rich, directed by Alice Timbers. At the Neterlander Theater, I am having the best time ever. - You're killing it. - Thank you. - You're really on. - I love you. Thank you, you've been so supportive. Thank you so much. - Three shows, I've been to three shows. - Yes, you have. - Jake and I have a special bond. It really doesn't get better. - I used to wake up in her bed in college. - Every night of college that we would go out, I would wake up next to Jake and his pink heels. Sorry, I had to bring them up. You know I did. - I would wear pink heels. Cassidy tried Cauches for the first time the other day. - They, I'm not a candy girl. Like, it kind of gives me a headache. This candy, I went through three bags. - Yep, they're gone. - It was so good. - What was your favorite? The Sours, the Phones? - The Phones, Insane, like Insane. Melted in my mouth. - Have you had a good time? - I've had a really good time. I hope I touched on all the topics we needed to touch on. - Oh, I'm gonna miss you when you're in Paris. - I'm gonna miss you. No, it's actually really sad. - When are you back? - I get back on Sunday. - I leave my name my love. - Okay, so I'm gonna come here on Sunday night, sleep over. - Do you wanna come to my closing night? - Yeah, of course. - Pussies, I love you. Enjoy tonight's episode. Come see all out on Broadway. Stream at Nick Jonas' new album, Sunday Best, out now. Cassidy, thank you so much for joining me for this intro. I love you so much. Enjoy the episode. I love you, Pussies. - Hi, Pussies, welcome back to Therapus. Today we have on, would you consider us friends? - I would, yeah. - I would also. - Would you? - I would. - Yeah, glad to hear that. - A dear friend. - A dear friend. - Whose album is out now, Sunday Best, it's incredible. - Thank you. - Nick Jonas. - Happy to be here. - Happy to have you here. - This is long overdue. - Very much so. Well, you know, like you were the first person to ever interact with any of my stuff, with the Coke, Diet Coke. - Yeah, it's kind of crazy, what has happened in the last, whatever it's been, four or five years. - Three. - Three, very happy for you. - Thank you. - Thank you. - It's always fun to see genuinely nice people do well and succeed. - Coolness. - Say your full name. 'Cause I've seen some not so nice people succeed in that sucks. - Ooh, speaking of succeed in, you weren't how to succeed in business without really trying. - I was, yeah. - I am starting on Broadway. - I heard. - Yes. - Congrats. All out. - Yeah, all out. - Amazing. - I'm so excited. Are you based in New York? - We were this whole last year. We basically got to New York in February last year. I did the Broadway show last five years. And then we ended up staying. And just kind of lived out in New York. 'Cause the tour with the brothers was in and around that area quite a bit, so it made more sense. But we just literally on Friday moved back into our home here. - Are you happy to be back? - I am. Yeah, it's, you know, LA is, it's nice. We've got our friends here. I don't, I don't love the traffic. I forgot how annoying that is. - But what I will say is I know you can take the subway in New York, but the traffic in New York is arguably just as bad. - I just walk everywhere. So it probably takes me longer, but it's more enjoyable to get outside, take a nice long walk. Even if it's freezing cold, I'll walk. - Right, I love, do you sleep hot or cold? - Oh cold, freezing cold. - Me too? - What is your temperature hot? - If I can get away with it, meaning my wife likes to be warm when she sleeps. So she tries to say like 70-1 or 70-2. So no, no, no, no, no. - What I sleep at 62. - 62 is very cold. I love that. - With a fan next to me. - That's amazing. How does the thermostat even get that low? - Well, it breaks all the time. I need that in life. - Well, you know what you need, an eight sleep. - And I've heard about this. - No. - Do you have one? - Yes, and you split up the sides. You can split up the sides. So your wife can be sleep hot, like it can be hot on her side and cold on yours. - I need to get this. - Speaking of, have you ever seen Quantico? - I have. I've seen two episodes and I've seen a lot of clips. Have you seen it? - In full. - Oh wow. - Yes, it's the best show of all time, so is she. - That's a great show. - Would you ever consider watching the full show? - Yeah. I would love to. We should, we should set a date, we'll do it together. We'll watch the whole show together. - With her. - With her. And she can give us like, you know, inside baseball - It is the best show of all time. - Lore. - I love like political thrillers. Like Quantico, designated survivor. - I love Disney's survivor. That was a good one. - What else? What are you watching right now? - I'm watching the pit, which is quite good. Have you seen it? but I've seen it. I've seen someone that looks a lot quite like me if I lost. - Oh, that's right, I have seen that, actually. 'Cause now my algorithms all basically, the pace is not even the algorithm, it's just-- - It's just, it's clear as die. - It does, it does, he kinda looks like you. - Yeah. - But you should give the show a watch. You're in it, basically. - I know, I really show it. - So it takes over the span of like 12 hours, right? - Correct. - So were you like a 24-hour watcher? - Back in the day, I was like a, I would say sort of a mid-fan. Like, I wasn't on it every week, but I did watch from time to time. - Okay. - It's nice 'cause like each episode you could watch as an individual journey and adventure, and it was, you didn't need to, like, know the bigger arc of the show, I think. - 24. - Am I remembering this correctly? - Yeah. - Don't you need to know what happened in the previous hour? - I don't think so. - I think it can kinda just be its own, you know, 24-hour experience. - Totally. - Yeah. - Well, you know, something else I wanted to talk about was, we share a stylist. - We do. - Sydney. - She's the best. I saw her post about you and that she was dressing you and I was like, I'm really happy to see that 'cause she's a great person and she does a good job styling. People, she styles. - She's incredible. We are low-key, so interconnected. - It's crazy. - Like. - What are some more connection points? - Berman. - Berman, yeah. - Exactly. - Berman, Sydney. - We're basically, we kind of have the same team almost. - I'm the fifth. - You're the fifth, Jonas. - I'm the fifth. - Have you had Franklin on the show? - No, I need to. - How many episodes do you do a weekly? - Um, during, like, once we start out, it's once, once a week. - Yeah. - Well, right now I'm about to, well, maybe I'll film some in New York, but right, usually it's once a week, one time I did seven in a week. - Seven in a week? - And I know to you, it's like, 'cause like, you're doing, like, shows and Broadway and like, the whole to do. - But it's a lot of talking. - It's a lot of talking. - Yeah. - It's a lot. - I find that I get more tired, vocally, from talking, over singing. - Okay. - Wait, what? - A softer speaking voice, kind of talk quiet. And that's literally because I get like, if I overextend talking, I can't sing. But I can sing all the time, be fine. - How, what's your, what's your birthday? - September. - Virgo. - Virgo. - Do you love? - How'd you know? - Do you love, like, control and stuff? - Um, yeah, yeah. I'm, you're very typical Virgos, what I've been told. - What, to say, what to say? I'm so, you know what I need? - What do you need? - Some people around me as I'll see us, please. Thank you so much. Love a Celsius. - You love Celsius? - I mean, I used to drink it a lot more, and then I realized that it was making me feel a little anxious sometimes, so I kind of chilled on it. - Oh, speaking of anxiety. - Yeah. - You struggle with anxiety. - All right. - No? - Yeah. - I mean, sometimes. - Okay. - Like, not like, I just read something you were quite open about, you had a moment of anxiety on a red carpet. - Yeah. Well, I was just hot, actually, so you'll understand this. I was on the Golden Globes or a car with Prionca. It was like this tentative kind of red carpet thing, and the heat was blasting for some reason. And it was a hot day outside. And I was in a, you know, a tuxedo with a bow tie and the whole thing. - Yeah, but you looked fabulous. - Thank you. And I was just really hot and uncomfortable on a sweating, and it's a stressful environment to be sweating, 'cause you're being photographed and just cams in your face, and trying to like act normal in interviews and like literally burn it up. And I didn't mean to do that. I wasn't on purpose reference my song. - Oh, it was perfect. (laughing) - It was a genuine accent. And then I went and just got some fresh air. And I felt better. - Oh, amazing. - And I had some water. - And some water. You know what? I have been drinking so much water lately. And everyone, by the way, I'm not even kidding. Everyone's been like, wait, your face looks so much slimmer. Your face looks so much slimmer. Water. - Water's key. - Water is key. - It makes you feel great. It tastes like nothing. It's perfect. - Yeah, well, I used to put in like-- - She just put the water stuff-- - Yeah, the little liquid I visa, but apparently you are not supposed to have those unless you're like running a marathon. Have you ever run a marathon? - I have run a 5K. - I ran a 5K the other week. - I found it to be very challenging. - So I took a break in the middle and smoked a cigarette right after. - Yeah. (laughing) I did it once. Joe actually hosted a run, a 5K run for charity that he was working with. And it was in Texas somewhere. So again, really hot. And I got about halfway through. I was like, I don't think I can do this. I'm not a runner. - You know your body. - Yeah, I like to stay fit and work out on it, but I hate running. - Yeah, running's the worst, but you know it's great. Walking. - Walking is great. - Walking is almost equally as great as running. - It kind of, yeah, better on your knees, I think. - Well, you know speaking of Joe, you're sitting on a present he got me. - Is couch? - No. - I wish. - I was like, that's a really nice gift. This? - Yes, Patrick. - Oh, that's very nice. - Yes, Joe, how many times do I do this? - Can I ask you what the octopus thing is? - I was so glad you asked. - Yeah, I'm dying to know. - So I started by, like I started my account by reviewing octopus dishes. - Oh. - So I'd be like, it passed that post, like, and I'd review it out of eight tentacles. - Yeah. - High posties, therapists, that's where the, it's just kind of spirals. - What's the best octopus you've ever eaten? - Great question. I think Angelini and the Palisades. I don't know if it's over right now because of the fires, but it was amazing. - You're from LA, originally? - From New York. - From New York, originally. - We're born in LA, raised in New York. So we're a tri-state, we're a tri-state, you and me. - New York City. Or like, okay, well, when do you come back to LA? - For college, for USC, I went to USC. Do you ever wish you went to college? - I do sometimes, yeah. I really loved to play baseball, and I had this dream that I could like walk on the baseball team. It wouldn't have happened. I don't have the height for it, but I-- - You need height? - Oh, you do need height. - I kinda need height. There's some anomalies that figured out. But anyway, I went to visit the Northwestern University campus in Chicago when I was like 16, and it wasn't the cards. Other things were happening. We were very busy at the time. - What was happening for you at 16? - We were on the burning up tour, which was, I think, in '08, and life was crazy. It was like a insane chapter of our journey. - Did you clock, like, oh, this is crazy? Or were you like, okay, well, this is just my job? - I think we clocked, I mean, once things sort of really took off, I would say we were on tour with Avril Lavigne in Europe in the early part of 2008. And, you know, our record really started to bubble. Things were happening on that tour in particular. We hadn't ever toured Europe. So, like, the Avril fans would like boo us sometimes. - Shut up. - They didn't really like us. Which is, by the end of the show, we'd win them over. That was the whole idea, but when we first came out, we were like, who are these kids on stage? Anyway, so we had a couple rough shows, and we were like, does anyone care about this? Then we came back to the US, and things were like nuts. And it was that, at that point in the journey, where I was like, I think this is gonna be a thing. - Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but would you consider the takeoff point of everything when the year 3000 music video premiered on Disney Channel? - Yeah, I think so. 'Cause we had already released a record that really didn't do well. - Right. - And we got dropped from our first record label, and then Hollywood Records, which is owned by Disney, Disney Music Group, said like, we know what to do with this. We know how to market this. And so they started playing the video on Disney Channel, and it just went nuts from there. - Wow. - They turned on, as I say, the Disney faucet. - The Disney faucet. What was it like being on the Disney faucet? - Parts of the journey that, of course, when you look back at different stages of your life when you're in your early 20s and trying to be cool, that you can be like, oh, that was cringey, or whatever. But then, at this stage in my life, and now in my 30s, I look at those things that we were able to be a part of with Disney, and I have so much pride. And I'm really grateful that we got to make movies with them, and do TV shows, and all that. And we were a part of a pretty crazy pivotal Disney moment. - You're graduating class of, you know, of Disney stars. - I wanted to ask you specifically the Disney Channel games. - Yeah. - What team were you one again? - You yellow. - I was in the red team. - Red team. - Okay, the infernos. - How'd you not remember that? (laughing) - You know what? - You weren't as good at this job. - Was that like summer camp for you, or was that like? - It was. - Oh, stop it. Tell me everything. - Well, I spoke about this on a late night show one time, and I think it was like, some people started to get way too serious, like, too literally. I said, like, oh, it's like, you know, love Island on crack. (laughing) And other people responded that we're there. I'm like, it wasn't anything like that. It's weird, you know, I'm like, guys, it's not that serious. It's all good. - But would you like all like go to your other rooms after? - No, it wasn't, to be clear, it wasn't like love Island. It was, that was just a fun way to say that it was like, high school, or summer camp. - Right. - We're all, you know, we're all teenagers. Like, it was just a wild time. But there was no inappropriate things happening, 'cause we also had our parents there, and shaperones, and it was a whole, you know, situation. But I will say this, it was very fun. I really enjoyed, we did it one year, and then we performed at it one year, so we got to be a part of it. I enjoyed being around other kids my age, who had similar interests, and who, like, to entertain, and sing, and, you know, it was, it was a, because I was homeschooled, and I was with my brothers all the time we were touring, these sort of environments where we could tap into, like, a sort of high school culture. - Right. - I think it was really key to our, like, ability to stay somewhat normal. - Was there anything that happened during the games that you're like, oh, this feels like high school? Like, was there, like, a class clown? Was there, like, we're all going to class, right? And, like, you know what I mean? - There's these videos from, like, the opening night, party where you know we're all like on the dance floor and there was this actually this video of me like dancing which is not something I often did I was kind of very self-conscious about dancing and wanted to be taken seriously as a musician so we never danced right and so I didn't really have any confidence there but I'm so carefree and really having fun the video and and I watched it back now as you know as an adult and I was like wow that that kid was fearless like he he was so able to just be in the moment and be silly and all these things that I I feel like I lost along the way at some point and it was kind of great to see and I think it's a direct result of that environment for me and I really believe other people that were there was really fun and it was a you know a nice thing to get to to be together and do these things it was really fun do you remember do you think because obviously you guys were followed by the press and such but do you think that had an impact on like being more reserved or do you think social media played an even bigger role and that like which do you think kind of affected you more well I think you know we we already had a version of it because we grew up in the church or that was a pastor and there was sort of a microscope on us because we're like the first family of the church we had to behave a certain way and you know pastors kids historically like either end up like really fucked up or like super buttoned up it's like one of the other or the Jonas Brothers and so you know we we had to be really like kind of buttoned up and act correctly which I think was actually really good training ground for later on when we work with Disney and there's obviously like certain things that you have to do to represent the Disney company and I think a lot of people took that as pressure I certainly did at times what I also I think you know it was good for us we we were kids just trying to figure it out and always tried to be good people and and make good choices but the pressure the the lens I think when social media came into the the scene you know back when I think Twitter was the first one yeah yeah we used to be on my space but that was long before you know Twitter and Instagram um everyone became a journalist and and then even now a tick-tock everyone's a detective and everyone's a journalist and so you know we we were balanced about it I think it was a part of the job it was sort of like all right this is this is just a kind of tax you have to pay you sort of lose your privacy but I think our parents really helped us kind of navigate that right you had them through it all and you also had each other we had each other we checked each other you oh and and that was like I think it's good it's like a self-governing thing where we we all you know knew how to support each other but also be like hey come on don't do that and what did Frankie think about all this let's ask him Franklin no he he was so young I mean he was when we first started he was like four hold is he now he's 20 he'll be 26 this this year he was not four yeah is four no but because I wasn't four and that's my age no he was he was we started I don't know why I'm arguing with you yeah I'm like I'm telling the truth that we technically started working like 22 years ago um and I started on Broadway as a kid before that so it's like you're quite a long time I've seen the documentary yeah yes happy I have nice I have I remember yeah I remember you still have to get you to a show though okay well so you know what I know Joe gave you some shit about this he did yes I went to your Vegas show yeah amazing lost box was fun just simply electric yeah did you gamble no no I do you gamble I I've learned how to I like the game where you play um and it spins on the wheel yeah that's my favorite game yeah and it just lands on a number because the first time I won two thousand bucks numbers or did you just do red and black I was no I did numbers I was like that one and then it landed on that one just one number yeah because I was like just put it all on that one see that's how they hook you okay so you think it's rigged I think everything in the casino is rigged because it has to be they have to make those buildings and someone has to make all that money you know so you know what I do because I also think that every time I gamble I say this is my first time smart I say oh my god I how do I do this my first time so they're nicer to me that's very good I'm gonna do that too the big actually we saw you here two months ago yeah when you performed when you performed in this casino um are you planning on touring this album I hope to I've been doing these sort of like smaller intimate uh shows where you know I get to talk about the music with the inspiration came from um because it is you know important for me to to share the context of this album I always start with like why why now why this album um that's the question I asked myself first before I go on make a project and that's because I want to make sure that I'm I'm doing something that feels important to me important enough to go in and you know spend the time in the studio write the songs and record them and to make it the album like every every second of of the process starts with the intention it's kind of my idea and and with this one it was like well it took about two and a half years to make but it's really 33 years in making it's like my whole life and different sort of snapshots and um points of view and perspective that I I had but but hadn't been able to put pen to paper on and actually like articulate in the way that I did but this one and um I think that that came from collaboration I worked with some amazing co-writers who who really helped me kind of bring the vision to life with it and yeah so those shows have been great and I've been able to give that context and I'd love to do some more later this year where I can do a sort of bigger more exciting show where I can play stuff from this album and stuff from previous records of mine and some songs I wrote with Jonas Brothers stuff like it'd be nice to it's been I think 10 years or so since I toured solo really was the last tour with the album that had jealous on it uh no is this it was just the one after that was called last year was complicated uh I remember I went on a like a tour for that um that was about 25 shows or something like that and then did another one um not too long after that but it has been a while do you enjoy touring I love touring I don't I don't always love traveling so much you know it it's nice when you can kind of hub out of a city right like what we'll do is we'll we'll be based in Los Angeles for like a week going in and out of the different places for the shows on the bus or whatever lying and then and then you get to come back home and see the family and kind of have a sense of normalcy amidst the craziness but I really do love touring that's a me yeah how do you like your tour oh my god not you knowing that thank you so much for asking uh did you play chemistry no chemistry uh yeah radio city radio city I did I walked by the marquee to go to the theater when I was doing last five years and I was like oh wow that's amazing heck as I was I was very excited for you thank you it's a big deal it was awesome it was awesome it was exhausting yeah and I know that sounds silly coming from me because you're like up there singing and dancing and doing the whole to do and I'm just talking but it was exhausting yeah it was exhausting because I don't know I'm just it's a lot of energy it's a lot of energy I'm I'm a I'm a tough cookie in general as a human I'm quite lazy I you know it was a lot it was a lot but I it my favorite part at least for me because I began online was being able to see everybody in person and be like oh my god it's so real these people are like this is real yeah people are actually buying tickets and showing that powerful so powerful like we you know you do it whether it's on online or on recording you know whatever it is and it's it in a lot of ways you kind of like is it real like who of course these folks that are engaging with this and then you get to see it and and see the impact that the live experience has on people it's it's I think it's really powerful do you have a favorite show you've ever done um tough to pick but we the the first show of this last tour that that we just did that I passed from your hometown tour you missed um was pretty amazing it was in our hometown stadium that we used to drive past on a way into New York City like hoping to accomplish our dreams someday and looking at that venue like one day we'll play there and we got to start the tour there and um that was probably my favorite one and we remember there's so many tough to pick did you have a favorite one Seattle Seattle Seattle that was fishing right Seattle it was just a good vibe it was the crowd was great and my favorite is when I can riff with the crowd and like and feel I just felt very confident and like in like my humor and my all my jokes were landing and it was just all it was the best no everyone was so so happy and we went fishing and got katsushi after that and it was just great where do you think your sense of humor comes from like what's the source of it or where did it come from I think I'm very self deprecating yeah so I think it's a defense mechanism almost against somebody making a comment like if like they're do I have ever seen the show girls I have not admittedly sorry no it's okay you have to okay I have a lot of fun so I'll put it on my yeah to do list quantico girls yeah um it's sushi Hannah the Lena Donum has this line where she says like anything bad you could say about me I've said to myself 10 times within the last hour already yeah and so I think that a lot of my humor is like kind of getting to the joke first before anyone else can because I'm so scared of someone like making fun of me. Like I have this quote above my bed, my bed, that man he who's out there painted for me. And it's it's a quote I forgot who said it, but it says, um, if you slip on a banana peel, if you slip on a banana peel, people will laugh at you. But if you tell people you slipped on a banana peel, it's your laugh. That's good. And so that's, I think where are my humors from. And also, I don't know, I'm like miserable and anxious and just like, I, you know, like, I think, uh, yeah, it's interesting because you have a very, uh, you have a very good sense of humor. And, um, your style of comedy, like going back to the first couple of days I saw of yours. I was, I was like, this is a very smart person because you have to be smart to, to like, on, you know, to write those bits and to like, to, to do them well. Um, I should hang out with you all the time. I'm not trying to guess you out. I'm just saying it, it shows. Thank you. Um, and, you know, the, the fact that it's from a place of, of saying, like, I'm going to make the joke for someone else can, um, makes, makes a lot of sense based on how you construct your comedy, um, but you're very, you're very funny. Thank you. And you are a very good singer, actor and thank you. And all of it, um, well, I also, I think I base it a lot in like my friend group. Like it's a lot of, see that a lot of it's very, like, imitations of like my, I grew up around a lot of woman. My, all my best friends are girls and like, it's, it's like very, if you get it, you, like, you really get it. Like it's very, like, girl humor, I would say love that. Yeah. I did want to ask you about the send it on video. Mm hmm. What about it? Do you feel like that was kind of, we are the world for children? Uh, in some ways, um, it, it was, I mean, I, here's the, here's the reality. At the, at the core of it, the whole friends for change movement, I think was a really responsible and good thing that, what was that movement? Um, it was about being kinder to the, to the planet earth, right? To, oh, girl, we have not accomplished that. We had not accomplished that. Um, and so that sentiment, I think, was, was really solid. Uh, there was, there was a lot of initiatives like, you know, uh, waste in the, in the oceans and, and, um, you know, recycling. Like all these things are good in, in practice, in principle. Um, but it was slightly like, oh, there's a lot. Yeah, but what did you have fun filming or was it like so stressful? Like, because if you, there's like a BTS of like the, we are the world, if I correct, there's like a, beyond the scenes of like the day, the night that like the Lionel Richie, yeah, there's a, there's a movie about it. It was like the most stressful night ever. So was it stressful for you guys to do, send it on? Um, it's aspects of it, uh, because it was all of, like the big one was like all of the talent across all of the shows. And anytime all of us were together, it was like, it was just a lot of energy. Everyone, you know, who gets, yeah, it was, so it was, it was, uh, not stressful in the way of like, are we going to get this right? We were just, you know, go stand over there, deliver your line or sing your thing. And I mean, you do, there was like so many liners though. Like what if you want to, the back, I do, I do, so we do these like, they were called like a content days or something. We're basically all the talent will come in and it would be the, that, that, the one thing, yes, that. And then they would, then you would do like all these liners for like different territories. Oh, I, you know, you know what? I used to, when I worked at a record label, I would make artists do these. Yeah, yeah. But these are on camera. And it's like every territory across all the different channels all over the world. And then also like some of these initiatives that were a part of the Disney channel thing. And that part always like, you know, reading off a teleprompter. Like to your point about it feeling exhausting play shows, you love it, but it's, it is like, it's a lot of energy. That would always kind of get me is like having to read off a prompt for hours. Like, oh my gosh, this isn't saying, do you remember, can you do one down the barrel? Yeah. Hey, I'm Nick Jonas and you're watching Disney Channel. Be sure to check out a new episode of Zack and Cody coming this spring. That kind of stuff. Okay, but what about for a different country? Hey, Dan Mark, it's Nick Jonas here. Okay, cool. Just I wanted like full contacts. Sorry, I just like triggered you literally. Yeah. I'm so sorry. It's fine. I'm, I'm going to survive. Thank you, Seaky again for sponsoring today's episode. 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You know, Johnny Sunom is a good one. What's your favorite movie of all time? Oh, goodwill hunting. It's probably my favorite movie. Oh, did you see Goodwill Duncan last night? I didn't see it. I heard about it. Is it cool? What was your favorite ad? My favorite ad. The everybody. Yeah, that's your mobile one, but then it knows crypto coin base crypto. Now it was okay. Gosh, now I feel bad, you know, like, because like, but yeah, it was cool. You're going to do a super well commercial next year. Ideally, did you guys do one this year? No, I did poppy last year. Yeah, have you guys ever done, yeah, I'm sure you've done one before. I, I have, yeah, which for who the brothers haven't, I have, oh, well, I have a partnership with Dexcom, which is a continuous school, close monitor that I wear. I'm a type one diabetic. So I have my Dexcom on here and I did. It's really cool. We did actually two super bowl campaigns and it was amazing to, to bring something like diabetes onto a stage that big and talk about a thing that really is quite life changing for me. And so many people living with what type one and type two. So that was cool. Then I did a Toyota commercial, which was fun. Two different things. Very different things. Yes, the Toyota commercial was a good concept. It was, um, you know, keeping up with the Jones. Isn't I a pair like Jonas? It was very, oh, that's very clever. They're very clever with those. When you started openly talking about diabetes, did people come up to you in the street and say, like, thank you? Well, I was diagnosed when I was 13, um, and, and we, we had just really started touring and stuff. And, and I knew pretty quickly that I wanted to speak openly about it because when I was in the hospital, newly diagnosed, there really wasn't somebody that the nurses with doctors could be like, Hey, this person's living with this disease and they're doing just fine. And so I was kind of like if, if whatever platform I have at whatever stage, I'm just going to speak about this because there might be somebody. Another 13 year old kid in the hospital who needs a little encouragement, um, that they're going to be okay. And so yeah, I was talking about it forever, basically, and I've met some amazing people by being open about it. That's beautiful. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I feel like I know quite a few people with diabetes. Yeah, sorry. That's so awkward. Yeah, I say that. I mean, a lot, a lot of people have it. My friend Tucker has a, you know, role model shot. Oh, yeah, he is amazing. I met him in Vegas briefly. Oh, my God. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you should be Sally. Yeah, I should be. You should be. I should, this is my formal offer. No, no, you should be my name in the, yes, do you know like how Sally started and stuff? No, no idea. You're just like all of us. I didn't appear. Yeah, what, what, how are you lying? I genuinely don't, I don't know. Okay, is it you? It was me. You're the first Sally. Yeah, it's the first Sally. Well, this is like how I react when people are like bringing your name up. And I'm like, do you know that I actually was the first person to like engage with him on social with the diet? Oh, yeah. I take full credit. Wait, why am I so honored? If that's going back to you, I hope you're not offended about that. No, I'm so honored. I'm not saying that like, I'm, I'd never say that. I just say that, you know, no, no, you were the first that, that, that, that you were my first. (laughing) - That week in New York, I went to New York, I think literally with the sole purpose of making that video with you guys. - Yeah, I'd fallen. - Yeah, is that fallen? - That was great. - Hi, I'm Marie King. - What's so funny is I was in London at the time, Pranko was shooting Citadel there, and I was like, I've heard that's great. - It's great. You should check it out the next season's coming out soon. Her new movie's amazing. It comes out, I'm even disappointed you, though, it's really aggressive. - No, what's her new movie? - You must watch it. It's called The Bluff, it's on Amazon Prime. - It comes out on the 24th, what's it about? - She plays a pirate warrior, it's a badass revenge story. It's so good. It's set in like the 17 late 1700s. Anyway, as I was with her in London, and I had just gotten there a few days before, so I was still jet lagged. I was up to four or five in the morning every night, just scrolling, and then I came across your video, and I sort of made the response in somewhat of like a delirious state, because I was up at four in the morning. And yeah, it was crazy, how much people loved it. - I mean, I woke up with pure joy and excitement that Nick Jonas do out of my video. - It's so great. - Yeah, that was, thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you. - It's not, it's just a very, very small part of the ascension story. - Well, to me, it's one of the biggest. I talk about it all the time. Like, yeah, that first week in New York, and then I went to go to your SNL after part of you as performed on SNL. - That was fun. - Yeah. - You know, my favorite song off that album is, I think it's called Montana Skies. - Yeah, cool, thanks. - Yeah. - John Bellion. - Great. - Icon. - He's made one of my favorite songs of all time. Ghost by Justin Bieber. - It's really good that song. - Oh, so good. Did you work with him on this new album? - I didn't work with him on this new album, but I certainly will again on something. He's the best. - Who did you work with on this album? - So, JP Sachs, basically posted this video a while back. That was very honest and kind of vulnerable. It was about his tour and having to not do it because of some factors. And basically, I was like, wow, he was so candid and it really spoke to me. And I reached out and said, hey, do you wanna come out and be the special guest at our show? In Toronto, where he's from and he said yes. And he came out and absolutely killed it. And then basically, I was like, I'm doing a writing camp in a couple of weeks. Love you to join. And so, he was really, I think, the anchor to the project that helping me kind of bring it all to life and say what I wanted to say. And then there was a bunch of other collaborators, Paris Carney, who's a very good friend of mine. Also, a huge part of the songwriting aspects of this and Brian Daly, Blush, Josette, Jeff Gidey, did doing it more. It was an amazing group of people who really gave me the freedom to speak, you know, honestly. And I think because it was friends, I was able to just kind of relax and take the guard down a little bit and just be real and just sometimes you approach like writing a song and you're thinking about all the ways in which it'll be commercial or it'll find its audience. If it'll trend on TikTok, I mean, all these things are a part of the creative process, whether you like it or not. But I really wanted to just strip all that away and say what feels right here and what am I actually trying to say, now look, I hope one of them becomes a hit. That would be great. But it's kind of more important to stage for me to just say the most real thing. I loved gut punch. Thank you. Can you explain to me the beginning, you're talking about your hair falling out and then it not falling out. What is the significance behind that? I went to the studio that day and I was talking to my co-writers Blush, just set Ryan Daley. I was like, literally like this. I'm having my coffee kind of start of the day and I was retelling them about how earlier that morning, I was like, I think my hair stopped growing. They're like, what do you mean? I was like, it's not falling out. But it's just it's reached its maximum length and it just doesn't grow any longer than that. They're like, that's not possible, I don't know. And then I got reflective about it and not to get to like, artisty, whatever. No, I was like, maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not growing. And the metaphor became important enough to be like, that's a song. And that literally became the verse. And then when we got to the gut punch part, it was just about kind of the ways in which we all beat ourselves up and stress about our people thinking about that thing. Last night, I feel like I misunderstood or, you know, am I being a thoughtful and responsible friend, husband, father, all these questions. And one of the things I think is important about gut punch, which is why I wouldn't put it out first, is that it is specific to my experience. But I think it's the most universal theme and concept. You don't have to have lived my experience to relate to this. And also, I feel like, you know, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth ever. But some people might look at me in my life and say, oh, he doesn't ever think like that. But that's just not the case. I mean, we all deal with some level of self-doubt or, you know, even ways in which we speak to our self that are unkind at times. And it was really gratifying for me to make a song that speaks about that. Yeah, I thought it was super beautiful. It reminded me of when I was journaling the other day. And I was just writing all these horrible things about myself down. Why? Because I crossed out for, like, how many, how long would you give it, Louise? What? Three weeks. I thought shorter. I thought it was one week. I'm sorry that happened. No, it's OK. It's OK. But I wrote like, going, going, going, piggy. Well, I mean, I wouldn't encourage you. Unsolicited. I think positive. No, I know, I know. It's important to get those things out. Sometimes-- I got it out. --to get it out and then leave it behind. And if you sometimes you just have to say a thing, it doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't make it true because you've said it. You know who you are, you know what your heart is. And I'm sorry that that rejection happened. But you know what? It's all good. I found out the other day that it was well worth it. I'll tell you after. It's actually a really exciting story. Oh, boy. I know. You don't give it. Two shits. Yeah, I'm excited to hear. But what was I going to ask you? Oh, love bug. The chord change in love bug when it goes like hard. [SINGING] Yeah. How did that happen? The first verse, chorus, and second verse, second chorus, before the big change at the end. I wrote in a hotel room in New York City. And I basically had it ending with just love again. Of course, without it doing the big epic, a tar solo thing. But when Kevin and Joe heard they wanted to ramp that part up, and we all contributed to that sort of piece of the puzzle, which I think makes it a really special and powerful moment live. And it's the best song of all time. So I'm so proud of that one. I think it's like the quintessential Jonas Brothers song. That's what you think is the quintessential-- [LAUGHTER] That's what you think is the quintessential Jonas Brothers song? Love bug. So yeah. And that would be my quintessential one. Takes you on a journey. And musically, it's really representative of our sound. And I think playing it now so many years later is even more exciting and powerful than even when it was back then. Wow. I could have thought you would have sat here 3,000. Well, what's funny is, your 3,000 is a cover. It's not even our song or reason. We didn't write it. A lot of people don't know this. Including me. Yeah, so there's a band called Busted. They are amazing guys. Totally. And had their first kind of big record and break in the early 2000s. But this song that was massive over in the UK didn't really transition over here to the US. Or it didn't chart here in the US. So our label exact David Massey signed us and it's the best guy ever. He was like, I have this idea. What if we cut this record and release it in the US? So we did. And it was wild. I mean, a brilliant move on his part to find that pair with us. And obviously, Busted had to approve it. Because for a long time, we had all these people being from the UK. They stole the songs. You can't steal a song. It's not how it works. You have to get approval or you get sued. And so they were kind enough to let us take the song and run. We've now performed it together a bunch of times. Busted still together. They're still together. They're on a tour right now or just finished up one. What is your favorite, like, speaking of covers? What is your favorite, like, musical cover of all time? It's kind of a double. It's a bizarre one. But, you know, Dolly Pardon wrote, I will always love you. So she wrote that Whitney Houston made it popular. But then Dolly Pardon released her own version of it, I believe, is or the other way around. Anyway, that's your faith. Whitney and Dolly both kind of covered the, I don't know, how to explain it. Yeah. The mask I'm missing in my brain either, but, yeah. That's the best one. Wow. I think my favorite. It's kind of a random trick. Did a cover of Niko's These Days. I've never heard that. It is just simply, have you ever heard it? Oh my god. It's amazing. I first of all, I love the song These Days. and his cover of it is just outstanding. 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So like a bunch of other companies, like if you're selling your clothes, like they will take a cut of what you make, but Deepop doesn't take anything. So it's like a literal virtual flea market, which I think is so cool. That is cool. Also what I love about Deepop is that, like, you really do, like, connect with people that share similar styles to you and style is such a personal thing. You really do talk to the person you're buying from, like, or that you're selling to and it's just such a community, I just think it's so incredible. All of my best friends, including me, shop on Deepop, like, it is just so, you find pieces you would not find anywhere. You can just find, like, really, really unique items. And I just think it is just the perfect place for that. It really is because you can find stuff you literally can't find anywhere else. Also what I think is amazing is that Deepop is for everyone, like, my best friend Julia uses it to find, like, these insane vintage pieces. But then I have friends with kids that once these kids go out of these clothes, they want to place to sell them, so they'll sell them on Deepop. Like, it really is just such a community where everyone can, there's something for everyone. And I just think that's so amazing. For me, it's merch and, like, concert merch and artist merch and, like, Louise uses it to find shoes. She, like, has a huge shoe collection and, like, loves finding vintage shoes on Deepop. Also, it really helps you hone your own personal style because you're not being, like, told what to buy. You're not being, like, marketed certain items, like, you are on the hunt for what you want. Download the Deepop app to start selling. Your first listing only takes a few minutes and there is somebody out there already starting for your style. Thank you again, Deepop, for sponsoring today's episode. Stay tuned for all the other guests and the exciting items I find to accompany them. Who's your favorite artist of all time? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. Who's yours? Steven Wunder, probably. I also love Bonnie Verre. Very cool. Right? Very cool. Every time I say that, I'm always, like, and Bonnie Verre. Because, you know, like, at once, like, what do you listen to right now? I'm, like, just the new Bonnie Verre record because I just feel like it makes me seem like in the scene. Yeah. It's like when you order, like, a fancy cocktail and you're like, yeah, I drink these all time. What's your favorite cocktail? I keep it quite simple, just to tequila with soda. You seem like a tequila drinker. Yeah, I do. Yeah. You give that. I'm giving tequila drinker. Yeah. Yeah, that. And then, if I'm doing, if I'm, like, doing a thing, like, I'm going to an event or I'm dressed up, I love to have a dirty martini. That's like-- A two about gin or vodka. Vodka. Okay. You gin? Gin. That's because you're a grown-up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love a dirty martini. The best dirty mart-- I used to, like, hate olives. Hate. Hate olives. More than anything in the world. Then, I went to this hotel in London called-- How could you hate olives with a passion? I just found them quite disgusting. They're so good. It's my favorite thing. Are they really? I could-- Well, I mean, I now enjoy them with olives. But I have another friend-- see how I said it, another friend. I have another friend who also hates olives and is, like, passionate about it. I'm like, that is such a bizarre thing to be, like, angry about. Can I tell you what it is? The texture doesn't match the taste. Do you ever drink beer, like, to seem cool sometimes? Yeah. Like, if I'm with a guy, he's, like, having a beer, like, okay, you know, like, all get involved. But, like, now-- I have this one friend who dropped two or three olives into a beer because the, like, the salty kind of thing with the beer. Yeah, I'd kill myself. I tried it one time. It's actually-- it's interesting. It's not bad, but it's not particularly good, either. That's, like, giving ketchup on pizza. That's crazy to me. Yeah, it's that. It's not. It's not so crazy to me. I mean, but at least ketchup is still kind of tomato sauce. I used to hate cherry tomatoes. I love them now. What else did you used to hate that you now love? Oh my god. Love that question. Cherry tomatoes, olives, still hate beets, cottage cheese. I used to like-- You used to hate it. Now you love it. I had never tried it because it just bugged me out so bad. Do you like Indian food? More than anything. My favorite Indian dish is paneer, which is basically cottage cheese cubes and some sort of sauce, right? And I have always hated cottage cheese. And then I had paneer and I was like, this is the greatest thing I was like, it's cottage cheese. Didn't know that. I'm like, oh, what? I've been-- I don't think I've ever had paneer. I don't think I've ever had it myself. Can we use that in this to me? Yeah. What's your favorite type of food? Favorite type of food is number one spot would be Thai food. No. It used to be Italian. It's been taken over by Thai food. You know what? I have to agree. It's so good. I have to agree. Mine is Thai and Japanese. Those two. Those two really do it for me. I agree. My order is Thai, Italian, Indian, Japanese, everything else. French. I don't know. Everything else. Yeah. I don't like French food. Really? What is French food? French fries. Those are good. I don't count. Come on. There's a place in the valley that I'll change your mind about this, I think. Called. It's called. Petite Toa. Oh, I've heard of Petite. Petite Toa. Petite Toa. It's really good. It's a great environment in there. But there's a dish called. Do you like fish? Go for the dish first. Okay. It's called. Like a trout. Almond Deen or something. It's so good. It's like citrusy. Nope. God. No. No. What? Like butter? Yes. Have you had the Dover Soul at Georgia of Baldy? Yes. That is a fish I like. It's very good. Yeah. But I guess I do like this one French place. I don't know if it's Italian. Have you ever been to La Petite, Maison? I have. That's my favorite restaurant in the entire world. Despite it not being my favorite food category. Where is it? There's one in Cannes and London. It's very chic. I know. That's what I said. Yeah. It's like Bonnie Bear. Right. I'm so happy you have that reaction. Do you like Bonnie Bear? Yeah. I do. First of all, it's your full name Nicholas. It is. Okay. Cool. Because I called you it within the first few minutes. And I've been thinking about it ever since. Because what if it's full name is a Nicholas? Because there's a lot of Jake's that aren't Jacob. You're Jake. Jacob. Jacob. Jacob Roscoe. It's not like a villain. It's a good name. It's not as good as Jake Shane. Of course. Yeah. Do you know Debbie Ryan? Yeah. Not well. But we we've met many times and hung before she's her and I. We share a lot of similarities. How so. Have you ever seen her red carpet interviews? Oh, yeah. I love those. Yeah. So we call those my Debbie moments. Write that in there. Debbie. That's fabulous. Yeah. She's. She's great. And the one with the. When did this channel and that one is so good made history. Yeah. That's what we did. I love it. Was she radio rebel? Yeah. She was. Yeah. Okay. Radio Rebel, Queen, Chinatubri and she's awesome. - Who do you keep in touch with from the Disney days? - Some of the cast of Camp Rock come out for Jonas Conn, which was. - Jonas? - What? - Jonas Conn. - Tell me about Jonas Conn. - I think we actually tried to get you to come to Jonas Conn. - I think you did. I think I was on tour. - Yeah, it was basically like, you know, what it sounds like, just a convention where it was all Jonas brother stuff to celebrate the 20 years. And as a part of that. - Some of the Camp Rock cast came out, which was crazy to keep in touch with them, but outside of that, not really anyone. - Wow, it's like high school. - Yeah, we've all grown up and kind of, everyone's found their own sort of path in life and journey and it's beautiful to see that everyone seems to be doing well. - Tell me about Camp Rock 3. - Camp Rock 3. - Camp what can you tell me about Camp Rock 3? - It is, I can tell you a lot about it and I'm thrilled that it's happening because, you know, those two movies, Camp Rock 1 and 2, really meant a lot to a lot of people all over the world. And it was this incredible, big Disney thing that we got to be a part of and, you know, to then now pass the torch onto a new generation is really a special thing. And so the concept of the movie is basically that, I don't wanna give too much away, but, you know, we lose our opening act for our big tour, to start the movie and then it's basically about the new generation. - Oh, and you go to the camp to find? - Yeah. - It's so fun. - So then it's all about them and they basically take it over and they're so talented these kids and it was so cool to see, you know, the spark at this early stage in their lives and careers and what it's gonna become is they're gonna be massive stars and a matter of no time. And, you know, I'm really excited for a whole new generation of people to be introduced to this movie. - Do these kids know like who are starring in it? What Camp Rock 1 and 2 meant to us? - I think they really do understand the gravity of it, the weight of it, you know, and what it meant to, sort of this generation and what it will mean to the next as well. - Yeah, that's beautiful. Are you watching any of the Oscar noms this year? Do you ever do that? - I watched, I think most of them. - What's your fave so far? - I thought one battle after the war was excellent. I would love to work with Paul Tom Sanderson on something some day of your dream. I thought that Timothy Salome was transcendent at Mario's Supreme, just an absolutely magnificent performance and so entertaining, but also nuanced and just great. I thought he was really good. And then what else have I seen that I really loved? - Have you seen Train Dreams? - I have not seen that yet. - You have to watch Train Dreams. - Is it really emotional? No, I can't like cry and stuff. - Well, have you seen Hamnet? I have not seen that either. - Okay, 'cause I was about to say, it's less emotional than Hamnet, but it's pretty emotional. It's just, oh, you would love it, it's so good. It's really so good. - I just know that like, I've been traveling a lot this month, those on like three, 14 plus hour flights and so I had like had a lot of things I needed to watch. But when you're like away from your family and you're on a plane by yourself, it's like, you just end up getting so depressed if you watch a really sad movie. So I have to like space it out. - What's the worst travel day you've ever had? - Well, I've done now three trips from the US or Canada to India. - And how long has that played? - Three trips where I went, it was on the ground for less than 12 hours and flew back. So in the course of 72 hours, I was on the plane in transit for longer than I was like on the ground, it was rough. - But like, what's a travel day that you're like? - I'm really curious to know what I'm about to blow this bitch up. - Oh yeah, like, like where you're like, I am going to genuinely crash out. Like everything is going wrong. Like, I see, I have an answer to that. So I got on a plane, I was flying from LA to Texas. Something had just happened that had me really bummed out. I can't remember exactly what the thing was. So apparently wasn't that big a deal. But I was really bummed out and I was traveling by myself. I was like 17 or 18, which not something I often digs. You know, most times we have like somebody travel with us for security or assistance, something like that. And I was just by myself. So I get on the plane. I'm already like bummed. I order a coffee and I go up to use bathroom. And mind you, I'm wearing white pants on the plane, which is like a first mistake. - So random. - I come back to the bathroom and the coffee's there. And as I'm sitting down, I like my jacket must have hit it or something and it fell into my seat. - The coffee. - Yeah, fell into my seat and it was, it was, I was already in motion. I was like here sitting down and it would hit. So then it was just in my, like on my butt, like soggy butt from this coffee, it was hot. That coffee was hot. And I was just like already so bummed. And I remember just looking at the person next to me and they had this look of like, I'm so sorry. It was like genuine like like, oh, and I just started crying. - Oh. - I just was like, where are they comforting? - They like put their hand on my back and I was like, it was really funny. No, I mean, it's funny now, but I was so angry and the flight was super turbulent. I'm not good with that. - Oh, I love turbulence. - You love turbulence. Why? - It's like you're like rollercoaster, like rocking the sleep. - See, my daughter, she's four, she is the same way. And I think it's amazing. - What's her birthday? - Just past January 15th. - Oh, Capricorn. - Yeah. - She loves turbulence, she puts her hands up like this and she thinks it's a ride. - It is a ride. - But it stresses me out. - It is a ride. - But yeah. - I was about to say what's the worst that could happen, but I was playing Cross, you know? - We, I think we know, yeah. - Are you ever scared of playing Cross? It's actually Glenn Powell once told me a story. You guys, you guys were flying and you had to land and the pilot came out and was like, we literally almost just like seriously died. - It was super hot in the cabin and we were sitting in the tarmac for a while. It was the middle of summer and we basically took off and I could tell right away something was off because we were not going fast enough. And I was like, what is going on? So someone went up to check and the pilots were like, just waving him back to the seat and he came back and he was scared, shitless. And basically one of the two power sources on a plane and that's basically every plane is what I've been told. And one of them failed and the other then failed. So they were pulling the, whatever it's called, the steering wheel, I guess, back to keep the plane in the air 'cause we're just gliding back basically to the airport. But we were not far enough away that we could get back and we were all thankfully, safely on the ground, but the pilots were visibly shaken up and it was actually like pretty frightening. - Oh, I'm so sorry. - Actually, yeah, it was fucking terrifying. - It's so scary. - Yeah. - On the contrary, do you guys still make your popcorn? - Yes. - It is delicious. - I'm glad you like it. - The Rob's backstage popcorn, shout out. - Yes, it is amazing. Pop, you have this popcorn? They served it on the flight to the Jonas Brothers concert in Vegas that I went to with Larry and I thought, this is just delicious. - It's so good. - It is so, so good. And we're building out more backstage brand stuff, so they'll be more, we love snacks. - I love snacks. - Which is favorite snack. - Mm, not olives. - Popcorn. - I've never really been a pirate's booty fan, but your daughter loves it. And so I started eating it and I'm like, this is great. - Have you ever had the veggie one? - Fire. - I like veggie sticks. Those are-- (laughing) - I'm so sorry. - You don't like those? - You didn't know that I was talking about. They're like a-- - Of course. - Yes. - So ranch flavor is really good? - Zesty ranch. It's called Zesty Ranch. It's so good. - Yeah, I just, I don't know why for you. - It's like the pea snaps. - You know the little pea snaps? - I don't like those. - Those can, yeah. - No disrespect, you've earned your place in the show. - And I hate sun chips. - Really? - Yeah. - Hate. - That's interesting. I would have thought you would like a sun chip. - Why would you think that? - Because it's, they're yummy and you like other things that taste like that. - Like what? - Like popcorn can taste like that? - No, popcorn does not taste like sun chips. - I don't know. - Sorry, I feel like I'm yelling at you. I'm sorry. - I'm having a great time. - Well, Nick, what are you therapist about today? - I have a zit. - Where? - Right here. - Oh my god, I thought that was a mole. - No, this is it. It's just so annoying. It's like a pressure on there too. - Ooh, it hurts. Are you gonna pop out? - I like to pop. Zits. - Well, you have great skin. - Thank you. - So do you. - Thank you. - I can tell you've been drinking a lot of water. - Yep. Everyone keeps telling you that, right? - Everyone. - Wait, but I really thought that was a mole. So shout out your hair and makeup because it looks, it died and never thought for a second that it was a zit. - Yeah, it's a zit. And it's so annoying. That's what I'm pissed about today. - Okay, well, I'm pissed about. There's this show I wanna watch and I'm so behind. And it's like the traders and I really wanna watch it. I'm so behind so I have to watch all to catch up and Catching up on a show that's like live on air is just so annoying. It's so hard to do. It's so frustrating But most intense time I ever had to do that was do you ever watch scandal? No, I At the list, but I get it at the list. So what do you watch? Yeah, what are you watching? What do you watch? I watched Squid games, which I love I never finished it out. So good. Did you finish it? I did. How was the end in? Satisfying satisfying. Yeah, I don't want to give anything away to people watching But it was satisfying. I've also started watching pluribus Okay, me too. I didn't finish it yet, but I love Vince Gilligan. I Galigan, Gilligan, Gilligan. Gilligan. Okay, cool I love him because I love breaking bad if you seem breaking bad. I Have started breaking bad twice and Okay, so let me tell you why it's so good Because back in the day before people would like cancel shows after one season They used to like let them breathe and like breaking bad gets really really really really really really good in season three And isn't that a it's just tough to know what no, it's so worth it It's so worth it two seasons from now. It's gonna be a mid. It's kind of like a similar show is I know breaking bad The best show ever made so I it is I'm giving it the perspective deserves I'm just saying the concept of like oh just Because even someone else said something recently. I was Kevin Jonas He's like, oh, you just have to stick with it. There's like a you know It dips for like three four episodes, and then it's I'm like these are hours of my life I'm not just gonna Commit to it like I could be two. It's so worth it. There are these moments that you're just it feels like God is coming down and holding you yeah, and being like isn't this show so good And like but I've been recently more and more I've just been turned shit off Me too if I get two minutes in wow really loud Sorry, this is the voice of God. Yeah, if I get 20 minutes in it's it doesn't Hook me. I used to stick with it and like watch for the whole thing now. I was like, no I got other options. Okay, but I can I give you a good rack. Yeah industry I watched the first season of industry. I need to watch the next two but similar to breaking bad it only gets better It only get season three. I mean I have actually really fond memory of industry because I we were my wife in our in our house and power went out in our neighborhood and We did like a date night candlelit at our home with the iPad on watching industry and it was like so sweet So sweet. How'd you guys meet we met on Twitter? Why so I was driving down Sunset Boulevard and I saw the poster for Quantico She was on it and I was like wow, she's gorgeous Mutual friend of ours was like you guys should meet you really hit it off and I was like connect us and He never did actually but It was enough of an indication of me to know okay, so that Maybe the door's open there because she seemed to be into the idea as well Anyway, I went on Twitter and saw what she followed me asked Feel like ever I was pumped and then I Direct message her She got back to me shortly thereafter and we were just friends for like a year and a half two years Um, how do you have the patience? So I reached out was like hey, can we give us a real go? And go on a date, you know and she was like, yeah, I mean I'll be in LA next week and and we had we'd already gone to the Met Gala together basically because we were both dressed by Ralph Lauren shout out Ralph Lauren shout out Sydney Uh, Sydney. Yeah, Sydney's back here. So you go on this date. We go just uh, I said I'm like hey let's go see um the the live version of Beauty and the Beast at the Hollywood Bowl, which was a fun first date idea I was like, but let's bring some friends. So there's like less pressures. It was like a group Right hang in case like she wasn't the vibe. Oh, respectful um, and so she brought her best friend. I brought Kevin and another couple friend of ours Greg and Paris and we had like the absolute best time at the show we went for drinks somewhere after and Joe New I was really excited about the state. So he sent us shots of milk from wherever he was in the world Which was hilarious shots of milk. Yeah, like anti joke. It's like I don't know I just thought it would be funny And it kind of was Yeah, and then Kevin was being a wingman. Good for Kevin. But he was um Yeah, he was I was overly hyping me up though and for She's like, oh, he's like, you know, someone bring up like That baseball or something. Kevin would be like, oh Nick could have gone pro. He could have been a pro baseball player As much Jersey thing ever and it was very sweet. She obviously was like your brother's really like guessing He wants this to go well, and then it did and now you're married we French kiss that night. Oh Chills wait, so are you from north south or central Jersey north Jersey? Is that near Philly? Sorry, what are you counting? Like I was just I don't know for any of this like it's it's not near Is north near New York? Yes, it was 45 minutes from the city. Oh, okay. Okay. We have a friend that lives in south Jersey South Jersey is like a different Yeah, you guys call Yeah, the pork roll taller ham teen our ham Taylor ham Taylor ham. What do you guys call it Taylor ham? I call it Taylor ham Yes, pork roll sounds crazy to me Pork roll it's like but people are really passionate about this argument and it's a whole thing It like divides the state. Yeah, it really does like people are really insane about it They're really insane about like really intruly have you ever tried it a pork roll? Taylor ham Oh, I guess I call it a pork roll um, yeah, I have no, I have it I lied It's like It's it's just like a ham But overall sis, but the weird part is it's not the pork roll or Taylor ham is just the the meat Right, it's what goes in it that matters. It's delicious and it's got so much salt in it. It's just incredible like on an egg sandwich Taylor ham and cheese what you say oh, I get a bacon egg and cheese in the morning. Yeah, so it's just Taylor ham It's the same thing same same idea. Yeah. Okay. Should we get into the tummy? What wrongs? Mm-hmm. Do you know what those are? I think so We're people right in and we get advice. Yeah. Okay. Do you care if I go pee because I have a really small blotter. I don't care at all Okay, I'm gonna go pee now. Do your thing. Okay I've been with my boyfriend for over three years now and he hates pdi But I really don't he won't kiss me or even hold my hand in public unless he's drunk. Um, okay Even that it's not for long It makes me feel like he's embarrassed being with me. I'm his first boyfriend as he's ever only dated Oh as he has only ever dated girls in the past. What do I do girl girl? I can I can take this one. Yes, you can't it's time to break up It's internalized homophobia You don't think it's break up. No, please speak you're she's a gay man trapped in a woman's body. Yeah It's his new thing I don't know of breaking up is it I think it's about the conversation with them. It's like I understand we're coming from You know like I don't think you just break up like if it is internalized Homophobia and maybe even like some insecurity. I think they they should work talk and work through it Yeah, I love yeah, no totally. I love pdi Because it makes me so like I can't I wouldn't be able to do that Do you like pdi? I do. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's kind of a weird I like Being affectionate with my wife, you know, but but um, you ever think about writing a book I would love to you. You have a way with words. Sorry continue. I have cosine these takes which one Well, you're saying the same thing right you're saying break up. She says conversation first, but it probably leads to Break up. I hate conversations in general. I mean like I hate like intense conversations Homophobia has no place anywhere. So no, no, it does not See you have you ever seen Hillary Duff's hey, you can't say that iconic iconic My friend is always in a bad mood because she's always hungover and sick So she's not calling and return she makes my life miserable which sucks And I kind of want to give it back to her by getting her fired from her job By telling upper management that she comes in drunk sometimes also maybe telling her boyfriend that she actually hates him So what the fuck is wrong with you This would be my way of dumping her as a friend um, okay Oh, also she is my manager too and then I would get to just quit after is this insane I obsessed by the way. Let me just say something really quickly Obsessed with the context given because I was so confused So let me do do you understand that or do you need me to paint the picture? I need the picture painted Okay, this girl and her best friend work at the same job, right? The best friend is the manager the best friend is the manager of the alcoholic one The alcoholic one and so she wants to tell upper management that she's a mass So at the end of the day just sounds like she's not your friend. It sounds really messy and like Like there's already she wants she wants revenge She was you know what I mean? I don't think I'm curious does she want that job as I want you to set the hidden motive behind them? Well, it could be she wants to get her fired so she can slip in there and be the manager But what would you what like what would you do This is only like what would you I don't know what I would do. I wouldn't tell upper management. That is so sneaky I think I'm bad karma. Yeah I think it's it's bad. It's bad news all all around I think you - You probably just need to have a conversation like, "Hey, your behavior is crazy. "Chill the fuck out." Or I'm gonna go tell up a management that you've been drinking a job. - A threat. - But it doesn't sound like there's any HR department at this place, 'cause she just wants to go nuts. - Right, and she could anonymously report if there was. - Yeah. Or maybe there is an HR, and then that's the best path. - Yeah. - Or maybe, I don't know. - Yeah. - My roommate talks to her hamster like it's a human. I thought this was kind of cute at first, but she has full conversations with it, and laughs at what the hamster, and laughs at what the hamster quote says. It's starting to freak me out a little. Actually a lot. And I'm wondering if I need to talk to her or something, or if I should just let it be. Like, is this a bit or is she crazy? I just let go and let God. If it makes her happy. - If it makes her happy, but it would concern me to live with someone. - Live with someone who you thought might be a complete like psycho person. Unless it's psychopath, 'cause that gives it like a distinct thing, and it sounds like. - Are you scared of games? - Sounds like. - Cancelable. - I forget saying psychopath. - But it's, it sounds like that. - Okay, so what would I prescribe to that? What's the thing where they talk to animals? Babe? - Was that the Eddie Murphy movie? - Do a little. - Yeah. - Do a little. - I prescribe do a little. - Detective do a little. - I love to that movie. - My mother gets really flirty with my friends whenever she's had some wine and we're over visiting. Sometimes it's funny, but sometimes she goes a little too far into the quote bit, saying things like, you're exactly the type I would have gone after in college, et cetera, as a joke. But I don't know if it's a joke, and it's so embarrassing. She just brushes it off by saying, "I'm sensitive every time I bring it up." So what do I do? Well, your mom is gaslighting you, my dear. - Right? - I can need some more context on this one too. - I would just stop bringing my friends over, and be like, and if she's like, why'd you stop bringing your friends over, it's because you're weird, and they think you're real too. That's the only way to get someone. They also think it, like that's what you have to say. They think so too, because it's huge. Like, well, they don't think that. No, everyone's been talking about it actually, and they all think that. And then she'll be like so embarrassed, and be like, oh my God, really? They think that because they're the ones she's trying to impress. So you have to be like, they all think that. That's why they're not coming over anymore. - I had someone say it to me one time, like a, and, you know, everyone, I'm like, hold on, I just talked to everybody. Nobody brought that, I, I, I didn't, but- - Isn't it the most counter-acting feeling? - But I had, I, I wasn't even slightly convinced. It was like, actually, I just had a little quorum with everyone talked about this, and nobody said that, and they're like- - There's such a Virgo. - Yeah. You are such a Virgo, that is the most Virgo thing ever. - Like they wouldn't, they wouldn't say it to your face, my, but they would. - But would they? - Yeah. - All my friends are hooking up with my twin brother. Oh, that's weird. One of my best friends was who was staying with me, literally left my room while I was asleep, and slept with him. I'm a very non-confrontational person, but it's been like six of my closest friends. Oh my god, your brother must be so hot. Six of my closest friends who have hooked up with him. How do I get them to stop? Please help sending love from South Africa. It is so funny that this person is from South Africa, because I had to do a South African accent in an audition I filmed right before this. - How'd it go? - Or at play. - It's a tough accent. Man, he said, "You sound Southern." It was really, really, really, really, really, it was rough. - Tough auditions are, are, - But it was a self-tape, so like, you know, still. - But okay, so I would say to my friends, like, stop, but I don't know, honestly. (laughing) - That's a tough one. It sounds like your friends might be more into, - They're all hanging out with you for your brother. Oh, girl. - That's tough. New friends, I guess. - Oh, but you have the, always room for new friends. - The threat of, like, my brother's hot. - That's so tricky thing. - Ooh, there's a movie like this. - Clueless? - Yeah, I prescribe clueless. - Okay. - I got caught red-handed in a very large web of lies. Just so I didn't have to hang out with this girl who likes me, and by the way, save it with the judgey stuff. Damn, it clocked me. (laughing) Because I'm just not like that. I had told this girl I couldn't hang out because I was sick. Later that night, I went to the mall to go see a movie, and when I walked into the theater, she's literally sitting there and sees me. Oh, I left and she followed me and confronted me in a lobby. Good for her. I told her I lied because I liked to go to the movies alone. IDK, some bullshit. That didn't do well, either. Because I literally went to the movies with her and her friends the other week. Anyways, how the fuck do I stop white line? Will you just stop? - You just stop. - But, like, honestly, like, that's fine. You didn't wanna hang out with her. What are you supposed to do? Clearly, you were scared to tell her the truth that you didn't wanna hang out with her, so that's not your friend. I tell my friends all the time, I don't wanna do this anymore. I don't wanna pay in my best friend, and was like, let's get couples massages on Valentine's Day before we go out to dinner and drink. And I was like, I don't think I wanna do that anymore. So I said, I don't wanna do that anymore. It's gonna make me tired. - They said what? - She said, your bizarre. (laughing) Sorry, this is a funny way to put that. - You're unwell. - You're unwell. - Well, it's totally, here's, I have a potentially controversial hot take. - Tell me. - It should be totally acceptable. To be like, I like you here, my friend. I don't wanna hang out tonight. - Oh, duh. - I just don't want, it doesn't have to be like, I have this other thing I'm doing. - Oh, okay. - Like, you don't have to. - Right. - So you'd be like, hey, we can, let's be friend. Like, nothing changes. However, tonight, in particular, or tomorrow, I don't really wanna do that thing. I wanna sit on my couch or-- - Right. - Just something else. - But I would say, stop white lying now, because it gets to a point where they become bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And then you don't know how to stop. It's kind of like, kleptomania. - Yeah. - I can't lie because of my OCD. I have to tell you what I'm lying. I can't, I literally can't do it. - It's good, that's good, though. - It is, but it's also exhausting, 'cause sometimes I really would like to lie. I'm just like, I'm sick, but I can't say I'm sick because then I'll get sick. - There's a movie that I'll prescribe to you. - Oh, tell me. - It's called The Invention of Lying. - Have you ever seen it? - No, it's a Ricky Gervais movie. And I've always thought it'd be a great musical. - Well, hello, Mr. Broadway. - So if someone's watched this, it has the rights to him, let me know. But it's this whole idea that he's the first person who can lie in a world where everyone just says the truth. - Oh, that would make a great musical. - It's so good. - You know what you should do before this episode drops? You should inquire about the riots. - Yeah, I will. - Just to make sure, because like, you know, that is like a really good-- - What a crazy story of like three years from now, we're at the Broadway premiere, and you're there. - In it? - In the show. - Okay, period. Do you have any advice for me on Broadway? 'Cause I'm like so stressed out, Loki. - You're gonna crush it. I mean, you have all the tools you need to do a great job on Broadway. - Oh. - The only advice I would give you is just to, and this is gonna sound so cliche, but actually take some time to enjoy it. It's like a crazy schedule, it shows a week. - Yeah, yeah. - And it's a lot of work. - I'm stressed. - It's so rewarding, and it's really important to like, patch yourself on the back and take a second in between shows some days just to like feel it, 'cause it's a pretty magical thing. - Okay, I'm really excited. Will you come see the show? If you're in New York? - Yeah, I'd love to. - Are you gonna be in New York within the next month at all or no? - I'm sure. I don't have plans right to second to be in New York, but I'm always there. - Oh, you let me know. - I'll let you know. And hopefully you'll sign my playbill and I'll see you after the show. - I'm really upset with concert etiquette these days, and last night it got out of hand. I was in the pit, and I lit, and I lit. (laughing) And I literally couldn't see anything because I'm sure everyone is filming the stage. Later in the evening, the artist literally pointed my sign out and laughed at it, only for a total stranger next to me to take credit for it. - Woo! - Oh, live music is so incredible, and I know you feel the same. So what in the world can I do to remedy this? I don't know. It's hard because in this day and age, if you confront someone, they could always be filming you, being like, "Oh, no, no, no." And then you're like, "Oh, you know what I mean?" And so it's so scary, it's like a scary environment to speak your mind. But I don't know. I don't know if there's an answer for how I think we might just be fucked. - I fear that we're fucked as well. - Okay. - But concert etiquette is important. And if you are on the shorter side, let's get some platform heels or something and get some high lift shoes and that's gonna help. - I'm so sure. - It's a sight line. Some, you know, baby stilts. - How tall are you? - Five, eight, really, but not quite. - You seem taller, way way. - Yes, I'm five, three, and I seem shorter. - You seem taller than five, three, really? - Yeah. - How tall, like, would you guess? - Like, five, six or seven? - Shut up! - No, Nick, okay, stop, shut up. Like, I just got out of my first serious relationship of seven years. I'm post-grad now and I've realized I don't know how to be single. I have the perfect prescription for this. Like, at all, my last few years of high school and the entirety of college was spent all with the same guy. I don't wanna talk about the breakup, but what is a single girl in New York supposed to do? I don't even know how to talk to people anymore. Much less flirt, help watch how to be single with Dakota Johnson. - How to be single? - That's literally the premise of how to be single with Dakota Johnson. - When that come out? - 2015. - I'll check it out. - I totally just, like, made up a date. That sounded right. But do you know the clipper? She's like, home. I'm going home. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's from that. Gotta go. - Hey, Jake, an amazing guest. - You. - My screen time is out of control. I delete apps like Instagram and TikTok to stay off of them. and at the end of the day, I've re-downloaded them. It's so bad. I'm just staying up late into the night scrolling. I know you love your phone But what but what do you do to not let it consume your entire life? I I've tried the the like Thing where it limits your screen time doesn't work. It doesn't work. You just immediately X out of that like I'll do it tomorrow So advice that I've been given by others because I've said the same thing with my screen time is that actual Is to leave your phone in another room when you sleep Mm-hmm. Can't do it. No. So what I'm my advice is to watch a television show and get invested into a television show or read a book or watch a movie You know like obviously you like to be alone with your thoughts, and that's why you like your phone Right you don't you're making a face you don't agree um, okay, so Um, I would start a TV show start a TV show. Yeah, that's how I get off my phone specifically subtitled start dark So you can't go on your phone or else you don't know what they're saying. I don't dub it because that makes it worse Have you ever seen dark? No, it's the greatest show of all time. You ever seen Lupin? It's a French Netflix show. No, but I've heard of it. What's that about like it's a it's based on a book series a very famous French book series Called Lupin and he's like a detective slash thief Whatever. It's so good You must watch it. I'll watch it ever since being hired. I've been making an effort to be friends with my manager But she's made it so hard with her attitude But I always just gave her the benefit of the doubt a couple of weeks ago She fired the closest friend I work with and ever since it's been so awkward Mind you were the same age and it seems like she's just trying to get rid of me She wasn't always like this by the way, but last night she just blamed her fuck up on me to the big boss now I'm in trouble What do I do quit if you can? That sounds horrible or tell on her the same age details. Yeah, she's like trying to like be better than yeah Hey Jake and guest. I'm 23 and wondering how does one get over the fear of being loved and start to open up for a potential relationship I'm a happy person, but feel so isolated from others because I don't get dating Like it often seems embarrassing and like a waste of time and I'd rather just stick to myself However, I know I can't live like this forever. So what are some tips? I have none so I'm just gonna That's for you. It is a scary thing to open up and be vulnerable with with people and to allow possibility of Heartbreak down the line should have not worked out yellow Really yeah, you only live once and do you remember when that dropped that was fire when the world shifted It's kind of like Ed Hardy now. It's like ironic like you can say it and it's funny But at the time at the time it was like for serious. It was very serious But I do think that that's kind of true though. It's like you know, what's that famous quote is it better to not try Never loved it all Not one what's your favorite quote of all time um Favorite quote of all time. Well, it's from my favorite movie of all time Uh, good one hunting. I had to go see about a girl. Oh, it's a great line. What is it? So Robin Williams tells uh, Matt Damon's character of his story about how he didn't go to this baseball game with all his friends And they you know, it was like a legendary game that he missed and all his friends Like upset with him for not going and then Matt Damon's basically like What did your friends say when you say nothing? It's like what you tell him. He's like told him how to go see about a girl It's a later on in the movie when Matt Damon does the same thing takes that leap of faith And goes and chases after this girl He leaves a note for his old friend. Oh my god I don't think I've ever seen goodwill hunt in. Well, you just saw it. I just I know the one man play beautiful. It's a great great movie I think my favorite quote of all time is the banana peel one I have love that um maybe The quote that Hannah says about what what do I have the favorite quote? It's probably the Lena Dunham one Anything you could have said to me. I've already said to myself 10 times in the past hour also I don't even know if that's right, but also the entirety of the Taylor Swift song the archer that entire thing as a quote I could have that tattoo all over my body All of my enemies started out friends. Help me hold on to you. That's nice. And that that uh really does it for me That was and to tell me what's wrong Well, that was fun. Did you have fun? I had a great time. I had a really good time with you I'm glad to hear that. Oh, did you have a good time? I had a great time with you. Okay. Cool. It was super fun. Learned a lot what you oh What did we learn today? I learned about plotting against your manager and that was a that was crazy actually right kind of wow No, I learned a lot about you. I got to ask you a lot of questions as well, which was nice, which I hope it would be Conversation and less like an interview. So I'm glad it was nice conversation. Did you feel as so it was? I felt like we had a great conversation. I learned a lot about you. Okay. I learned a lot about you too And I kind of want to like hang out now. Yeah, let's go get anything food. What should we? Would you? I have to go sign CDs No, no, no, no, no, totally like I meant like you know eventually sign CDs. I have to go handprint albums actually which is In theory was like a really fun idea because there's some song called handprints in the album. It's great. Thank you I swear to God like Doing this over and over again for like two or three hours. I'm getting carpal tunnel man. Yeah, for sure Yeah, well, I learned about the Disney Channel games and send it on love it And I also learned about the process behind your new album Sunday best which is out now. I don't know and Nick break a leg on Broadway Thank you, and thank you for coming on therapist. Thanks for having me my place You