September 15 is the new July 1

Thank you for watching. It is Wednesday, September 16th, new CBA day in the United States and Canada. And this is a show called What Chaos from the Sports Interaction Studios in Boston, Massachusetts. My name is David Bean. I sit beside Pete Blackburn. And holding it down in the city of champs is Sean DePaz. Happy new CBA, boys. I'm very excited about it. Boy, the end of this CBA's 24-hour stream is going to go bonkers. Yeah, because it's going to be a lockout. We're going to live stream until the lockout. The lockout's end. That would be horrible, but if you go super long on YouTube, don't you just get bucks? I feel like we would have to do it on Twitch, because that's when they do the subathons that last 30 days. Oh, shit. We could just do the Tim Heidecker shit, who's the comedian, Joe Rogan. When he did the Joe Rogan show, and it was just 16 hours long. We could just do it on Twitch, because that's when they do the subathons that last 30 days. That's what a stadium stage performance of Vineyard Nights would look like. We did it back in the day, and it would be very Backstreet Boys-y. A lot of string hits. Those like, bang, bang, bang. And the choreography would be amazing, but alas, I will not do it for Ed Sheeran, Pete is considering. Can I just say, I'm very conflicted about the Ed Sheeran thing that's happening right now. Politics aside, nothing about that I want to get into. Rare for you, but yep. Everybody knows it's on tape. I didn't know who Netanyahu was like two months ago. That's my bad. No, the Ed Sheeran thing, I'm very conflicted on, because going back to the brunch days, I was saying, yo, Ed Sheeran, stop being so inoffensive. Like, I feel about Ed Sheeran the way that you feel about Noah Kahn, except that Noah Kahn is at least presenting an interesting off-the-field persona. Oh, yeah, off-the-field Noah Kahn, that's my guy. And Ed Sheeran gives us nothing. Across the board, which I think, like, to a certain degree is by design. I think that Ed Sheeran's probably a good hang. I think it's been thrown into question whether or not he's a good friend. Yeah. But just, like, I'm kind of sick of Ed Sheeran wasting his talent on being the most intentionally inoffensive person in the world, both musically and now in the political sphere. But on the other hand, I'm torn that now Ellie Goulding gets to take a victory lap, which, bringing it all the way back to the brunch days, my interaction with Ellie Goulding was Ed Sheeran-related, and I feel like I won that, and now she's coming back for seconds. I feel like people celebrating Ellie Goulding cheating on Ed Sheeran is a good example of maybe we've misused the original intent of the internet a little bit. I don't know what their deal was. Don't is still a banger. Like, that doesn't change. Don't is still incredible. But to your point, like. Ed Sheeran lost me when he made Bad Habits, where I was like, oh, so you are trying to do what is just going to kind of melt into the rest of everything else. That shit, his vocal sounds so small and so bad. Give the fucking compression a rest, okay? It's gonna, the thing's gonna die and the computer's gonna burst into flames. I thought he was doing the John Mayer thing where it's like, I will play the pop game and appease the ladies. One for me. One for them. Yeah, I'll appease the label for the first five years, first two albums in my career, and then I'm gonna do whatever weird, cool shit that I want to do. And then he just kept doing the same shit that he was doing forever. I will get a little political for one second. When Same Love by Macklemore came out, I know that everyone's like, well, this sucks. Now I gotta like Macklemore. And it's like, you don't have to, you don't know these people. But when Same Love by Macklemore came out, it was. Pretty unheard of for a pop star and especially a burgeoning pop star who was gaining street cred to be like, let me talk to you about some gay shit for a little bit. I know that that song has aged kind of oddly because it's strange to. Let me talk to you about some gay shit, but I'm not gay. But I'm not gay. And pop star obviously did him no favors by mocking the shit out of that song like three years later once everything was legal to be like, yeah, I'm a rapper and I'm not gay. But the intention I will always think was good with that song. So Macklemore, a tip of the cap to you there. Sean, do you have any thoughts on Ed Sheeran's popularity and his social status right now? Ed Sheeran's not a guy I thought a whole lot about. I think inoffensive prior to the last few days was pretty good way to put it. Now I think that guy's a coward. Oh, I mean, he's definitely a coward. I mean, respectfully. You listen to that shit and you're like, you didn't think that guy was like a coward? Do you think that guy's out getting in fights? Becoming offensive through your dedication to being inoffensive is quite the accomplishment. Yeah. I mean, if you're trying to be. I mean, one of our mandates, whatever, modus operandi is don't be an asshole on purpose. Obviously, through life, you're going to make mistakes and you're going to ruffle feathers and everything. Like, don't be an asshole on purpose. Also, don't like go so out of your way to be like, I don't want to upset anybody that nobody's happy with you. Correct. Like, is anybody right now pumped with Ed Sheeran? We don't have to talk about Ed Sheeran a lot. We can talk about the actual report. Yeah. Do you have breaking news on Ed Sheeran? I was going to say, this is a different music thing that I wanted to bring up. Drake and Don Tolliver released their. This guy won't stop. Choosing Texas remix. Guy won't stop with the Choosing Texas remix shit. Nobody gives a shit, Sean. They released it. No! But it's not. Ella Langley's not in it at all. It's like a completely different song, basically, where they just use like the Choosing Texas kind of. Like, you can tell that it's inspired. Shit's kind of fire. Don Tolliver kind of flows on that. I bet it is. Choosing Texas is a good song. I don't care about it. I don't care about Ella Langley. I do. Again, I've watched interviews with Ella Langley and I'm like, everyone's getting mad about what she. Like, this is like a great. Really big example of like. Why do you. Saying why do you care is really annoying, but like, I don't think we should care about whether this person has publicly endorsed whatever. Like, I really don't care about Ella Langley. With all due respect to Ella Langley. Okay. Now that that has all been addressed, Pete, again, still mulling whether or not he's going to do a DJ set. I've told him he's not allowed to play any of my music. He's pushing back against it. He's going to do exclusively my music. Identify as me and then walk off. It's going to be brutal. It's a good plan. Yeah. And the audience is going to hate it too. It's going to be bad for everybody. Chad Finn, Boston Globe, Scoops Finn has a report that we are going to a very, very awesome network for this season that we are going to The Ringer. We. That's an exciting sounding report. And we're going to talk about all of that soon. Okay? So bear with us for now. Going to hit you with a few things. One, Pete is not getting a new chair. Two, our schedule and YouTube presence is going to be the same. And three, this season is going to be fucking awesome. And we're very excited that you are here with us. And most importantly, it's going to be three of us. It's going to be the three of us. Oh, yeah. Sean's not going anywhere. Oh, yeah. Chad didn't name Sean in that report. Yeah. And it was like, what does this mean? What the fuck, Sean? What? I mean, I'm not from you guys, but I mean, it's not What Chaos hosted by DJ Bean, Pete Blackburn, and Sean DePaz. Yeah, but we're trying to have a picture day soon. And it's going to be pictures of the three of us. That is true. That is true. Somebody asked me the other day, they were like, why is Pete listed first as the host of What Chaos? And I was like, I think he made the social media. Account. I think that it was that that was his job. I said, I'm not making that. I don't know. You guys have never made me feel like one like, like I wasn't one third, but I, you know, the outside doesn't if they don't watch the show, they don't get it. Oh, they fucking every text I've gotten has been like, hey, I don't have Peter Sean's number, which is like, I would not have texted you. I would have texted one of those two, but please tell them congratulations on everything. But again, we're going to get into that soon. It's going to be very. but there is so much shit going on going on today what is it pete today on the show let us discuss nothing but respect for my deadline fuck july 1st yeah oh fuck it right here go birds go birds fuck july 1st you don't mean shit to me anymore september 15th my new best friend uh jeff's league jeff skinner playing hockey he's a trailblazer he's playing hockey before anybody else in the goddamn nhl these days and boy he's tearing it up my man is swiss max and we will hit that later uh speaking of maxing max venute yes gonna join the show we have canadians thoughts we have chris crider thoughts we only have one thought about uh people related to the canadians it's got to be max and finally held to go not yeah that one's a little bit of a that i i kind of dave max there but you know what go to camp not yeah uh and hell to go is go to hell backwards and mike wilbon famously got his ass so we're gonna hit all those things plus greg waschinski did his superstar player poll on espn and we're also going to be joined by uh denver outlaws defender uh mike manley who mogs the fuck out of me mustache wise i think he mogs all of us in various ways but amazing hang great conversation ahead of the pll championship against philadelphia but first let us discuss the end of the last cba meant teams rushing to sign contracts while they could still get eight-year extensions as the avalanche did with kale mccarr and to structure it the way bonus wise is still allowable under the old cba some big ones that got done ahead of the deadline cutter gautier six by thirteen and a half drake batherson eight by ten point five and a half eight by ten point seven five million dollars ryan leonard eight by ten and a half justin sordiff eight by six times 3.5 million and luke evangelista either this morning or last night it was last night five times 7.25 million dollars with the devils i think the ones that stand out most are gautier leonard and sort of because those are second contracts the bruins had gotten out ahead of this last week donnie sweeney always a trailblazer donnie sweeney always a trailblazer always a trailblazer razor yep frazier minton seven times i think 7.4 and once that happened everybody who had a player coming up on a second contract was like oh i see what you did there absolutely do this and there's been some reaction and confusion over the really the aav on these and i think that nick alberga said it best like i want to freak out about this but i also have to admit that i have not recalibrated my brain to the new cba so when you do see like gautier six times six thirteen and a half million dollars i think that we all saw that as like oh i thought he was going to do like five times 15 i thought that was going to be even crazier so good on the ducks kind of there but like with ryan leonard where you're like oh ten and a half million dollars for a guy with 46 career points that's kind of crazy but i look at all these deals as basically like players that we think are good and yeah i think that's kind of crazy i think that's kind of crazy i think that's as soon as they get better because they're 21 22 23 24 years old as soon as they get better we're going to go oh that's an awesome contract yeah right it's it's banking on the production that you're going to get and it's making bets and i think that a lot of these bets are really good ones i saw a lot of people saying like ryan leonard only had 44 points last year and he's getting ten and a half million yes ten and a half million dollars is kind of like the going rate for somebody that you envision is going to be in your top six for the next seven years and ryan leonard was kind of having a breakout party last year make that bet right now i think it's very smart yeah i mean how much did um how much did alex tuck get with the capitals was he ten and a half something like that yeah he's what 31 so like which eight-year deal would you rather have honestly going into two years from now because leonard still has one more year on his contract basically uh i was talking to shane about it last night and she was very she was high on a lot of and i was like with where the cap is going it's just a bunch of trent frederick contracts for players we think are better than trent frederick like going eight years all of them that you're like damn that's kind of confusing but they're all better by a lot we are living in a world where literally every cap hit is confusing because there is not a worse time to be alive making contract comparables than today given the pre's off the mcdavid the um who else we want to throw in there leo carlson yeah just and then the new the new cap structure the rising cap all of it makes for a horrible time to compare any contract to another contract that was signed at a different time yeah that's why we are really against that we did this a couple of weeks ago with some of these big con oh no we did it with kale mccarr we were like okay you don't like 20.4 million dollars for kale mccarr we're not comparing it to zach warrensky's current contract or we're not comparing it to zach warrensky's current contract or we're not comparing it to zach warrensky's current contract or we're not comparing it to zach warrensky's we are comparing it to the other contracts that got signed this summer and aside from that one dude who is my fucking hero who said that darren radish and what was it like 8.8 million dollars i'd rather have darren radish on his deal than kale mccarr on his deal my new biggest thing i've been hammering hammering this on the patreon episodes and i've been hammering it on this show like my new biggest thing is something i disagree with that i know isn't forced like it happens a like sean when sean was like the ducks shouldn't match on leo carlson i was like oh no way dude but fuck yeah a person thinking that now we can have fun i i get it like i i get being a fan of independent thinking in a world where there's so much hive mind yes but i think that you have to work on your sorting pile of independent thinking derogatory versus steering yeah how do you feel about me throwing that darren radish kale mccarr take in with uh your very knowledgeable hockey opinions i mean i will say that uh part of the reason that i thought you were gonna have to uh you shouldn't match on carlson because you weren't going to be able to pay ota and like i thought like i agreed with you that i thought goatee was going to be making more so i guess i'm giving pat verbie credit for figuring that out a little bit all's well that ends well you've got those two players for 30 plus million dollars that part of it i don't i don't think is bad like if you put it together and you say leo carlson and cutter goatee for the next seven years at coming out math mathematic mathematician wise mathematically mathematically that's the word uh 16 million dollars a piece yeah hell yeah yeah but but i don't think we need to give credit to the ducks for pissing in the room and then escaping the room without slipping in their own piss pete is back has done back to back really good gone to the bathroom in the room and then i don't think we need to give credit to the thing what was the uh oh mcdavid and uh like you wanted mike babcock you can't shit on the floor and then walk out of it and say hey i got shit on what did you say no no everybody was talking about how uh the oilers like mcdavid and dry settle stepped in it with their comments after they showed up to camp and it's like yeah the oilers and mcdavid and dry settle that leadership group shit all over the room there was no way they were going to escape that once showing up to work and escape the room without stepping in shit shout out veto junior everybody uh what i wanted to say originally um was that you mentioned all those contrasts and you didn't even bring up the big umlaut which is what i'm calling noah oslin now oh yes i love that yeah 6.6 yes are you shitting me that makes me so happy i think that guy's gonna fucking i think he already does rock you know who like started this fake rap shit like the with these contracts kevin adams kevin adams he did the owen power one in 2023 i or i mean i i associate it with gmba with uh with shit who's our guy that uh dylan gunther gunther dylan gunther where he was like hi we haven't met here's an eight-year extension and it ended up being and we all knew we were like this is gonna be like it what i just said before like we think this kid's good if he gets better then it's gonna be an unbelievable deal and it is an unbelievable deal but you know who's pissed today samuelson and he did it with owen power so once again advantage don sweeney because kevin adams zach benson is zach benson we get 7.5 the sabers i don't know if they're gonna be good but the contracts are awesome you know who's pissed today or i i wonder if the stance has changed but when we talked nikita zadorov two years ago uh he was pissed that that players who haven't accomplished shit in the nhl are getting the bag and i know that he's gonna get that he wasn't alone in thinking that i wonder if like veteran players have outgrown the well what the fuck is that guy done to deserve that deal because now they're all getting them that's just the league that we that we live in right it's like it's not my fault your contract isn't up right now yeah you're right like decent hockey players or even players we don't know are decent yet are the new nfl quarterbacks where like the next one that is up is going to get a number you couldn't comprehend and then in five minutes that's going to be a good deal and then in five minutes that's going to be a deal and then another quarterback will be up and they will get a number that you can't comprehend it's just going to blow your mentality time and again Again, some teams that did not get their guys done. Matt Poitras only got a one-year deal, Pete. How do you feel about that? But he's going to be ready for camp. Congratulations to the Providence Bruins. We did get a Stan Bowman. Don't want to talk about his contract, but Matt Savoy is a really good young player, quote, today. Not thrilled about that. That one had extend for the Frazier-Mitten thing written all over it. But you also don't know what these agents, like some of them might do what Carlson's guy, Matt Cater, did, which was, hey, you are right for wanting to sign my guy right now. So it's going to be no, and then I'm going to blow your mentality come next year once that offer sheet comes in. But yeah, a lot of players getting big bucks, big, big bucks. Luke Evangelista, five times 7.25 million. Do you think that the Preds were a little, and he had a career of 56 points last year for the Preds. Do you think that they were a little like shell-shocked given some of their contracts where they were like, we can't have another overpay? I think it's maybe partly that, but I also think that they looked at the return on what they could get for him and be like, yeah, he doesn't really fit in with where we're at right now. He's so much better of a fit with New Jersey. And so like, I'm not going to comment on where I stand on that deal right now. Conditional first and a second, man. They're making a bet. And I've just said that like a lot of these bets are good bets to make. I still think jury's kind of out on Luke Evangelista, but I think his ceiling is higher with New Jersey than it was ever with Nashville. Yeah, I will agree on that. We're going to quickly, by the way, speaking of Matt Poitras, young players, we're going to do, we're going to make this a long segment with video elements and everything, but there's so much to do today that we're not going to be able to get to it. We talked, I think on the Patreon episode about like the level, the level of junkie that it takes to watch and consume and care about these prospect games that have been played the last few days. Hand up with the new CBA. These prospect games are important and you can glean from watching them whether guys are good or not and whether or not your team will be good this season. So we're just going to do a quick little zip around the league. Sean, stop making a face. We're going to just like quick little zip around the league and see what's been going on in these prospect games. Oh, actually. Oh, well, that's Quinn Hudson and I coward just fucking dominated. There's they. Oh, James Higgins, three goals in one game and a fourth in another. Or he had four goals, four in one game or one game, four in one game. OK, let's see what's going on with the Sabres. That that James Higgins game was against the Sabres. So, Sean, how you feel about this season? Sean, you might want to go out and get Connor. Hello, Buck, pal. Your team is drowning for our prospect game. I knew this was good. I was like, what is happening here? I didn't I did not know where that was going at all. Yeah, the Sabres are going to suck, man. I don't know what to tell you. Those games matter. I did. I tell you what. I was like the, you know, in draft day. Shut out Dennis Leary when they're watching Dennis Leary. Yeah, he just followed a new follower of what chaos? Yeah, where they're watching the tape on Bo Callaghan. And he just, like, throws the ball to the end zone and the prison warden from prison break is like, who can't teach that? That's pure Roethlisberger. I did watch a little bit of the prospect game and saw like Howard do a couple of things and I was like, they have two Zach Hyman's right now that is pure Zach Hyman. So if your team has a prospect game, which might be wrapped up, we don't care about them. Watch it. Because it is important. And anything that happens in them tells you what the season will hold for your team. Yes. Chat says James Higgins, no matter what. Okay. We've got, speaking of what, we've got a couple of what are we looking at here? Nice. Okay. Shout out to our friends from PR Open Ice with this little graphic. Matthew Schaefer had some words for the Islanders doubters this coming season. The quote is via Stefan Rosner. Quote, I love when the haters hate. That is Matthew Schaefer on people doubting the Islanders this season. I will invoke Tim Heidecker a second time this episode when I say, huh? Huh? Someone's doubting the Islanders. That was my take. That was absolutely my take. There's a difference between hate and not giving a shit. I wouldn't even say that people don't give a shit. If you don't give a shit about the Islanders, that's a skill issue, brother. But I mean, fair. I don't know like how much there is to doubt. Yeah. I'm in on the Islanders as much as one can be. I don't think that they're going to just like, just, you know what? I'll give the Islanders. I'll give the Islanders 2024, 25 Philadelphia Flyers treatment. Do you remember what that was? No. I will allow them. I can allow for them finishing anywhere in the Metropolitan Division. So if you tell me, they're going to finish first, sweet. Tell me they're going to finish second. I'm going to say, Oh, hell yeah. It's a nice season. Tell me they're going to finish last. I'm going to say the penguins did it again. What the fuck? They got so much worse. I got to, I got to amend that. They, they can't be the worst team in New York. They can't finish worse than the Rangers. I don't know. Rangers did some, didn't, didn't Rangers get Ellie? Who? Ellie Tolvanen? Sick. And if they did, I've already forgotten about it. I mean, I, the Rangers, I don't know. Rangers should be better maybe than last year, but they should be absolutely probably the worst team in the Metro. They lost Jonathan quick. Well, no, technically they didn't. Is he a coach? He's a, he's in there like development program or something. Okay. He's playing the preseason games. Oh, that's what you mean? No, he's actually, he's an employee of the New York Rangers. Okay. I'm glad that we all had the same reaction and usually a hand up. I did not do this. When I see a pull, I almost always make sure I read the whole story and see if maybe things have gotten taken out of context. I did not do that here. So I am certainly allowing for the possibility that Matthew Schaefer is not under the impression that everyone's like, you're, you know, what expect whatever the expectations are for you guys. Never going to happen. Can't confirm. They have Ellie Tolvanen. Hell yeah. Is it? I guess. Do we not know his name? That, that makes it even worse. If I'm like, Hey, they got this. They got this guy. And I don't know how to say it. I think it's Ellie. Okay. Sure. I, or there is somebody in the league who is spelt like E E L I and it's pronounced Ellie. Okay. Take it to the bank. Not the, I'm sure it's that player bank, but one of the, there is an Ellie. And I think it's, yeah, it's L Ellie, like emphasis on the first, first syllable there. Okay. Ellie Tolvanen. They have an Ellie Tolvanen. Get behind me, Ellie. Uh, and then here's the, what are we looking at? Deering, which is that Jeff Skinner, who is now with EHC BL Ben is I'm sure everybody knows, uh, has all of his garb on. And I saw some stuff that was like, Oh yeah, real cool. Make fun of Jeff Skinner. Cause he's cause like European jerseys have all this shit on it. Who's don't make fun of Jeff Skinner. Who's making fun of Jeff Skinner. I'm looking at that and I'm like, get me that Jersey. I, I made fun of Jeff Skinner. I was assuming I was like, this is probably something that Pete started online. It's like, if a Jersey looks like that, we get to make fun of it, regardless of the context in which it exists. I'm glad that European hockey has fewer TV timeouts. I'm glad that the tickets are really cheap. I'm glad that no water breaks. People are not as offended as I am, uh, about those jerseys, but those are trash brother. You can't make your jerseys billboards and not expect me to make fun of them. Can you close your eyes? Picture a man. Okay. This man just is. Sean, he's got on some distressed jeans and he has on the Jeff Skinner E HL, uh, EHC BL Ben Jersey. Okay. Does he look awesome? Well, it's Sean. So that's an unfair starting point. Uh, but no, I was going to say, thank you. Please be honest. Don't fucking, don't fucking lie. I've seen you wear the Australian hockey Jersey that has no ads on it. Go back. No, it doesn't. No, no, go back though. But the ads, ads, regardless of ads, look at the collar brother. That was, I was going to bring up. That's the crazy. He literally looks like a bell cow, which he is, by the way, he is the bell cow for that team because the most important thing that Jeff Skinner has done is debuted for EHC BL Ben and he just fucking owns that league in Switzerland. This is 20, 32 seconds into the game. Who are you going to call? No, it has to be. It hasn't happened yet. I haven't done highlights in a while. TV days are long behind me. Oh, it's Jeff. It was always Jeff Skinner. God, he's so cool. It's magic, man. All right. I got to point out too many flags. Yeah, there's so many flags. Oh, I mean, it's a cool visual, but yeah, I would be so mad if I was sitting behind the flags. No, those people, those are ultras. It's like, they're like soccer fans. They're there more to be the fans. than they are to even watch the game. - Yeah, that spot is a designated part but there's not a single blue lives matter flag where am i orange orange live matters flag like i want you got i want my you gotta utilize that more this year i know i know i just i forget about it sometimes but uh yeah also i gotta get my melbourne mustangs jersey is flawless and has like no spot not even close to that what's going on there i'm sorry that i assumed it did i mean nothing has as much shit there yeah that's probably what i was doing and like i said you don't try to be an asshole on purpose but if you make mistakes etc etc sean and uh the melbourne melbourne sorry melbourne shout out noah eagle or noah eagle excuse me yeah yep uh shout out noah eagle the melbourne mustangs your jerseys are beautiful and i'm sorry i thought they had ads on them i i will say i'm getting um increasingly in on the jeff skinner european experience i was very sad that he didn't even know that i was going to be in on the jeff skinner european experience i was very sad that he didn't even know that i was going to be in on the jeff skinner european experience i was going to be in on the jeff skinner european experience i was very sad that he didn't even get a pto in the nhl but my boy kind of looks at home like he gets to go to europe just probably score like 55 goals yep have a good old whimsical time and uh cash his checks like all all all due respect to like edmonton and buffalo new york but now he lives in fucking switzerland and is playing hockey and gets the ball out like it's probably not the worst uh way to end your career and he can be uh just jesse pulley rv which is we slash i don't know if pete agrees but i've decided jesse pulley rv is actually just fucking awesome at hockey but just just not he just doesn't want to do it for the it just doesn't work for the nhl somehow if jeff keeps doing what jeff's doing we're gonna but we knew that last year too even when he wasn't really doing much with the sharks we were like they could like just pump his value yeah and give him a lot more more ice time pp1 all that stuff but it just didn't happen he still got it though what do you got sean we just we also have never considered big thing with uh switzerland is the the taxes or lack thereof you get to avoid taxes i don't really know how that works if you're making your money in switzerland this seems like a cash grab maybe he came from california high taxes now he gets to play in switzerland where people hide their money in banks or whatever it goes on there yeah we've all we've all seen wolf of wall street right you want to trade go to hell thank you mike okay uh football is finally back in prize picks is bringing out their best offer yet new users who sign up will get 150 in lineups if you win your first five dollar lineup that's right if you win your first five dollar lineup you'll get 150 in lineups and now prize picks is available nationwide so what are you waiting for jennifer love hewitt voice lock in for kickoff because everyone and everything is on prize picks baker mayfield jennifer love hewitt voice lock in for kickoff because everyone and everything is on prize picks baker mayfield humiliated me last week so i am counting on a bounce back i don't think that's what prize picks was asking where it's like to toss for the non-patreon people who's your backup quarterback uh kyler murray done you brother yeah well not anymore he's not yeah uh baker mayfield had three fumbles last week i do not think he's going to have three fumbles against atlanta i am counting on a bounce back for baker mayfield so i am going to go over on his passing touchdowns projection and if a fumbles lost projection is going to go over on his passing touchdowns projection is offered i am going to go under unless it's like one and a half in which case i'm like i was you might have a couple you gotta leave a little room for supper yeah i don't know if he's i don't think he's getting three but he's probably getting two yes i mean if we want to talk about good quarterbacks you see that kurt cousins he had i think three touchdowns this week is now 14th all time in passing touchdowns he just passed john elway okay doesn't surprise me it shocked the world we're talking about two touchdowns this week and he's got two touchdowns this week oh my gosh he's got two touchdowns this week and he's got two touchdowns this week he's got two touchdowns this week he's got two touchdowns this week and he's got two touchdowns this week and he's got two touchdowns this week and he's got two touchdowns this week and he's got two touchdowns this week also by the way the fact that drew brees was considering playing for the denver broncos last year in the afc championship game the fact that that is even possible is some absolute bullshit the nfl needs to change the rules that like you can't just sign a guy off the street well you know the most famous one phil rivers phil rivers was going to play in the super bowl you can't do that the the roster has to be in the super bowl you can't do that the the roster has to lock as the playoffs start i agree also chat says you can't have but you can't you can't play an entire regular season and then have were you scared of drew brees pete is that what's happening here are you scared of drew brees i'm not scared of drew brees i just think that that should not be on the fucking table it should not be on the table if you lose to a quarterback who was on his couch 24 hours ago you deserve it that is pure way think think of it this way okay uh 2013 stanley cup final everyone's heard on the bruins okay and this is a bad example because as soon as this guy retired he definitely was like i'm retired but what if in 2013 in that stanley cup final bruins were like all right we're bringing mark recce back you know or if like a better example if like if i'll stick with the bruins like mark recce is a bad example for a guy who's just like been away from hockey and being able to just return what why well that's what you were saying i said like he was not a body shaming podcast no that's what i was saying i said bad example because he was definitely enjoying retired life but like say a team a couple years ago was like okay now we're in the cup final we're signing patrice bergeron and patrice bergeron is just going to be our third line center and yeah he hasn't played hockey in a little while but he's gonna fucking win every face off and he's gonna be a defensive wizard and now we win the stanley cup because we did that can't do it and this is from someone who intentionally watched as much philip rivers as he possibly could from the years 2024 to 2020 whatever 2004 2020 whatever it was i i know you got to read to finish but sports are about entertainment that'd be fun as shit that's all i gotta at least keep him on the practice squad like make sure drew breeze is on the practice squad for like five seconds and then he's gonna be a defensive wizard and then he's gonna be a defensive wizard and then he's gonna be a defensive wizard and then he's gonna be a defensive wizard and then six weeks before he can be inserted into a team's quarterback one position in the playoffs it's all i'm asking okay if you want something a little less crazy than baker mayfield i can't offer you bryce young staying hot in week two but i don't know if i can give you anything less crazy than that we fuck around we have fun did you know that prize picks invented the injury reboot i did if a player in your lineup gets injured in the first half and doesn't return your lineup can steal cash that's good for you and kyler murray that's right yeah kyler treated me well last week prize picks also has an improved search functionality and live box scores to track your picks without having to leave the app plus with their social feature you can find popular picks that users love and copy them in just one click the prize picks app is better than ever so pull up this football season download the app today and use code what chaos to get 150 instantly in lineups if you win your first five dollar lineup that is code what chaos to get 150 instantly in lineups if you win your first five dollar lineup prize picks run your game it's been a minute since we've talked to our old friend let's bring on max van ute max what's up there he is how are we doing bonjour hi brother i recognize that prison cell you're in brother how are you hi yeah yeah you know what it's in the transformation mode actually you guys almost had a glimpse of uh what it's about to look like but uh yeah it's going to be a little less prison celly it drives me crazy i can never the team that's on your hat the montreal baseball team what was was it like are you trolling me no i'm not it's a weird it's i'm not trolling i was like damn dj like you're going all in trolling me on our beloved baseball team it's the expos this is a setup just get to it yeah about to expose these nuts brother oh my okay josh allen i don't even like those jokes that's what i was good that's like that's the only way that i was surprised by the outcome of that setup because i know that you don't like those jokes so somehow i was surprised there even though i knew it was setting something up yeah that's not cool because i i i thought you were trolling you convinced me you weren't and then you went all in with those nuts not cool never go in all all in with the nuts you don't go all in on the nuts man yeah and so that's a little toxic masculinity ish for me get a load of that sweatshirt though oh what you got oh you be you settle a bet oh skateboard you be yeah right remember you saw that in the store when we went i almost got i wanted to get it i can never wasn't you be with another team before the canadians yeah and he exposed those nuts on that yes and that's why you got something yeah we believe in second chances you can't get me ones but not twice okay uh i've been waiting to talk about this with you buddy uh chris crider signs with the canadians and by i've been waiting to talk about this with you buddy i was talking to pete uh pete chris crider you local boy goes to the habs how you feel i'm i'm pissed and i'm pissed that i'm pissed chris crider should have no effect on my mental well-being in 2026 i i like him as a person i like him as a player the only way that i end up being anti chris crider is if he gets bought out and goes to the canadians for fucking free that's some absolute bullshit i'm out on the canadians i'm out on crider i have to throw a big time fuck you to fat Pat, Pat Verbeek. I didn't mean to call him fat, uh, Pat. for beak fuck you for pissing all over your living room and just giving away a good player to a team that absolutely does not need it does anyone ever throw up in the room not yet okay hypotheticals all right well i'm looking forward to hearing it max how do you feel about chris crider to the canadians which i'm gonna soft launch my take on this uh remember in 2014 in the playoffs chris collided with carrie price so this this is this factors in in looms very large how do you feel about the canadians getting a good player for free max you know what's funny is that uh so i'm getting from pete that boston people are angry and some of montreal people are angry because you know it's hilarious because on friday i went on the rant on the podcast i host and i went on a rant on my co-host because he he he brought the possibility of a good player to the canadians and i was like you're kidding me you're telling me that on november 10 the night we're gonna honor the greatest hab of the 21st century wearing the blue blanc rouge will be the guy who knocked him who knocked him in 2014 i was like get out of here and of course the next day they announced it so i hope that chris crider throws paint on the the the banner like a pita protester and i hope that you guys have to just sit there and accept it and clap because he's one of yours now also it's our respect it but the thing is once you once you take that out of the equation you know the what i've been saying is it's like you know when you're young and you have to take cough syrup and your mom makes you like cover your nose so you can swallow it like this is it because as pete said we got exactly the player the habs need for free thanks to pat verbeek's incompetence um montreal needs side you got it montreal needs a bit more of scoring touch they got it veteran leadership because somehow this is still the youngest team in the league although i think this thing is way blown out of proportion but anyways so you had size you had speed you had a scoring touch a guy who can play on the pk montreal sucks on the pk uh montreal last year was still one of the team that gave the most quality chances to opposing team um as a forward he can play on a good line that plays against um the opposition's side so yeah i think that's that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing but it's freaking chris kreider so it's kind of like ah but mostly people are are excited it's but it's funny to see like there's a bit of a civil war going on between the god damn it really crowd and the get over it crowd if the guy they signed was jesse pulley rv we would absolutely not be cool about this this would be we would do three hours on that we would do a 24-hour stream about how cool it is that the canadians brought back jesse pulley rv that would be so much more fun than this but all right on the like what did you call the crowds there's the get over a crowd uh shout out the eagles in 1994 that song was horrible and the wait really wait really crowd okay respectfully the wait really crowd are the worst people in the world yes that is my that i've been biting my tongue so hard and i understand i preface a lot of things with like fan is short for fanatic you're not rational i'm not rational if you're a fan of something it means that by definition you're not making sense and you're not being completely rational i agree nothing gets my ass like this type of fan behavior which is a guy crashed into our goalie one time when he was tripped in a series that we weren't going to win anyway we've decided that everything bad that has ever happened to our franchise is because of this guy and as a result his name is never to be uttered and he will be you want to boo him or whatever i guess that shows some ball knowledge that like oh you actually don't want a good player on your team over that canadians you are way too fucking decorated to be hung up on that like i understand if you're a team that's never won anything to be like oh we were so close to doing something one time and then this weird thing happened so we're so we completely hate this guy you've won a bajillion fucking stanley cups and you were gonna lose that series anyway also like i'm gonna be 35 years old and i was i was two years old the last time they won so the love of your life is talking right now he did it on purpose that's fine he's on your team now so if he wants to do that shit again you're gonna take out the best goaltender on the other side and give yourself a chance to win that's a good player on your team don't get me started on this first of all the other teams don't have goalies they don't show up to camp to act like any canadians fan a single canadians fan is going to continue to hold that grudge the second that he does anything good for your team and helps them win a game is some complete and utter woke nonsense bullshit the second that he helps you win one regular season game the second he helps you win one pre-season game canadians fans are gonna be like he's fucking ours hell yeah and whatever the french translation of that is stop whining glad to see republi pete is out number one talking i'm big time out fuck you guys i'm happy to be back jokes honestly though like i'm i'm rational enough to know that it's irrational to hold it against him that's why i'm not going to be a fan of him i'm not going to be a fan of him i'm not saying it is a great ad if he was not named chris crowder one thing you're wrong on a dj though it's not that we would have won in 2014 they probably don't beat the kings it's that he didn't just ruin 2014 he ruined carrie price's career it's all fucked up and he started there and then it ended in 2021 maybe he's still playing without that but anyways i'm no doctor um but the thing i do enjoy though is that um i like it because it's some we like storylines in sport and as much as i have hated the guy and irrationally blamed him for everything for the past 12 years if he comes in and what is one thing chris crider does freaking well is get his big ass in front of the net and uh deflect is the word in english yep yeah redirect the puck from the blue line uh he did that so freaking well with adam fox he's not unless injury happens gonna play on the first power play with lane hudson but even without the first power play if he gets his big ass in front of the net he's gonna play on the first power play with lane hudson but even without the first net with no adoption with uh lane hudson taking shots through traffic to get to the net he's gonna deflect them he's gonna get a lot of goal he can get 25 he can go to 30 no matter what uh and it's just gonna be a good story of villain turn anti-hero turn whatever you want so like the storyline is gonna be funny okay what if he's looking at the canadians puckpedia page makes me so angry so angry lane hudson didn't want trouble he didn't want anyone to get mad in 2026 they don't have a single player making more than 10 million dollars a year it's beautiful that's fucking that's a third of what justin sort of is going to be making justin sort of makes 18 million dollars a year starting now it's underreported how ridiculous the zach boldock contract is 4.2 million dollars yeah for four years they didn't buy a single year of free agency that's how they got him to that number but me too when i saw all the contracts being signed for like uh the guy i like to call the coivus poorman coivunen in pittsburgh um yeah me too i was surprised i was a bit surprised by boldock's contract uh but good on them good on him because boldock was a guy who like first of all boldock is a guy who the whole fan base myself included to be honest the whole last year like if there is one thing well actually there's the jack i think but that's a whole not a whole lot of thing but one grudge people have had held against martin st louis in the past year is how he hasn't given a single second a single shot of boldock and demidov together last year not once and it feels like they should be meant to be zach boldock is a two times 50 goal scorer in the lsgmq uh he is a guy who has an amazing shot he is great with the one timer he is a goal scorer he's been his whole life before coming into the nhl he scored 19 goals with the blues the season before so everybody's been thinking that he is the time to be on the second line with demidov eventually they didn't give that to him and now adding crider buys maybe another year of him you know bringing some touch-ups to his game on the third line he was really good in the playoffs last year despite not scoring as many goals he's had it you know for checking hits to his game so if that gives him another year and then the year after he's the one coming for the spot on the second line with demidov that could be terrifying because the guy can score goals he really can and if two years from now he's a 25 goals car in that economy that's gonna be great who gets uh squeezed out here by the way in this offensive picture is a kirby doc is like good as mine yeah but it's it's just gonna be there's gonna be some sort of like super fourth line rotation of making all these pieces fit because i mean i think that josh anderson is like a good fourth liner and i think that he's probably gonna be yeah and he was just given the a he's not going anywhere yeah right so he's not getting squeezed out what's funny is the fourth line is not gonna get squeezed out because on the fourth line you're gonna have your two vets you have daniel and anderson they're important on the pk anderson is one of the heart of the teams Also, by the way, Dylan Larkin was just given an A. That doesn't mean anything. Was he actually given an A? Okay. It doesn't mean he's not going anywhere. Fair. And, like, theoretically, even though he's a center, they put Jake Evans at some point on the wing, on the fourth line, and he's probably going to, you know, take faceoff on the right side, take his faceoff on the PK and all that. But technically that fourth line is the line. It's weird because it's not a real fourth line, like in the sense that it's your second most important line in one-on-one matchups because, essentially, they play Suzuki against the best line, always. That's why he won the freaking Selkie. And then you have these three guys who need to play against the second line, most likely. So the guys on the third line are the ones most likely to be in and out of the lineup. To me, to start the year, there are three candidates. It's Kirby Dock. It's Oliver Kapanen. Despite scoring, 22 goals last year and Alexandre Texier. I think, it's not my choice, I think Kapanen is the odd man out to start the year because of the way the Habs keep on treating Kirby Dock. What I mean by this is you paid a big price at the draft in 2022 to get that guy. And, you know, for reasons that are right or wrong, he's a GM's dream. Oh, he's huge. He's got the tools. He's got potential. At some point, you know, if you're 30-year-old with a potential, he's not 30-year-old, but you get what I mean. If you get to a point in your career where potential never developed, I mean, what the heck? But I think they want to give him one last shot and he's going to probably center the third line. With Texier and Bodzik, who did good in the playoffs, you put Kreider with the new hook on the second line and Kapanen might be the odd man out to start the year. Again, despite scoring 20 goals last year, which is crazy. Okay. Can I ask, where are you guys looking at the goal? What's the defending situation this year? Like, is Dobesh your guy or are you kind of expecting a split with Fowler and maybe like a Fowler takeover at some point? So, Dobesh definitely is the starter to start the year. Obviously, they kept Montembeau this summer, which is something a lot of people are angry about. I personally am not because I would be very happy if the strategy with Fowler is a bit reminiscent of what Tempa did with Wasilewski way, way back. I don't know if you remember, but Wasilewski even, if I remember correctly, a year played in the playoffs. Yeah, he was behind Ben Bishop when Bishop got hurt. Yeah, and he went back to, I don't know if it was Syracuse back then, but whatever was the EHL team 10 years ago or more than that. He went back to start the season and they had Nabokov as the backup and then Nabokov wasn't really good, didn't really matter, Bishop was good. And then Wasilewski was killing it in the A. So, by January, they were like, yeah, Nabokov, thank you. Get out of here. They brought back Wasilewski. I wouldn't have a problem if that's the strategy to start the year with Dobesh, the clear cut number one, give him four game out of five if you must. You play Monty a little less. If he can have a few good games, great. Maybe a team that will have an injury or something will want an insurance policy from a guy who, let's be real, sucked last year, but had two very good season before that. And then you get Fowler back. And I'm a big believer in young goaltender like Fowler that it's better for him to be the number one guy in the A, getting starts day in, day out, while Dobesh is playing number one in Montreal instead of playing once every week and a half behind Dobesh. So, to start the year, to me, that's the portrait. With Dobesh number one, Monty behind him, Fowler clear cut number one, getting starts here and there like they did last year whenever they can because he's freaking good. I think he's the future. And whenever you finally get something for Monty and Fowler is at the end of start this season, you get him and then you got your duo for the next few years. I really believe that with Fowler and Dobesh, especially with a great contract Dobesh signed this summer, that Dobesh-Fowler for at least two, three years could be reminiscent of Swayman and Yulmark if the Habs really play this smart. So, I was going to bring up Swayman and Yulmark because Boston did the model that you're talking about in 2020, I want to say, when they signed Linus Yulmark and Jeremy Swayman was ready, everybody thought, and they were like, okay. Swayman had played in the playoffs, I think, maybe? Yeah, I think he played against Washington. Yeah, and they were like, yes. And they were like, okay. So, yeah, when Rask had his, oh, and when Rask left, I guess, and they were like, okay, so it's going to be Yulmark and it's going to be Swayman, and then they re-signed Rask and they just sent Swayman back down to the AHL to get him more seasoning. I get it, but I'm also like, fuck, if the guy's ready. Like, Fowler, I think, has the biggest ceiling of the three, but you also have a, with Montembeau, like maybe he's this year's Jari, where you like, you play him, you play him enough early on in the season and everyone's like, oh, yeah, he's not great, but he's an NHL goalie. Someone goes out and trades for him and then, boom, that $4 million or whatever it is is off your hands. And a lot of the discourse around Hellebuck right now is that teams don't want a Hellebuck, like a high-priced proven goaltender. The market now kind of leans towards, well, where do we find the next Brandon Bussey? Where do we find the cheaper guy who we can take a chance on and might be hot at the right time for us? And like, maybe that's Montembeau. Yeah, and I know that, I mean, people do online rumors about every team and every player. I would not want Hellebuck if I were the Canadians. I would be so much happier to have every contract on your books be unbelievable and to know, like you have, I know that Montembeau was bad last year, but you have a guy who was in the mix for Team Canada once upon a time and has proven to be like a decent NHL starting goalie. Plus you have a prospect who, is amazing and a guy who I think he was overrated in the playoffs last year, but like Dobesh had some really good moments in the post-season last year. You kind of have the ideal goaltending situation. Yeah, the thing with Dobesh is, he, like last year was weird because in this season, people were high on him because he had an amazing record, but he was winning those five to four games. Like it was crazy. There was a point in the season when Fowler started playing a bit more, when he had around 10 games, and you would see the puck support and it was actually hilarious. Like Dobesh would get four goals per game from his team when Fowler was in, he had like 2.5 goals. So, and there's this thing with goaltending and that's why personally, I always feel it's hilarious. Like in team sports, there are three positions where win is an individual stat, the quarterback, the pitcher, and the goalie. Like, I know it's an extreme, but just to prove my case, you could lose every single one of your game, one to nothing, and your goalie has zero wins. Like, okay, or look, what's his name? Paul Skeens on the Pirates? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pirates? That was a weird way. Oh, fuck yeah. The Pittsburgh Pirates. Hell yeah, brother. I kind of mixed the French and English pronunciation and I ended up with an invented word with the Pittsburgh team. But in the playoffs, what he showed is there are goalies that have this ability to shut everything out when the game is on the line. And clearly, Dobesh has hit. It's amazing. It doesn't matter. If he gave three softies in the second period, if it's three to three in the third, he can clock in. And this is an amazing ability. Did he play a bit over his head? Who knows? Maybe. Marco Marciano, the new Montreal goaltending coach, is amazing. I think Fowler is more your traditional, like, he's a mini Price, really. When you look at him, it's crazy. He's smaller, but he's, Andrei Vasilevsky is like this, all those goalies, you know, he's so square, he's so compact. Dobesh is more of a swimmer in front of his net, but he has the it factor. So the longer you can keep those two guys, and you talked about Hellebuck, it's funny because in Montreal, there's not even an ounce of talk of maybe Hellebuck. And I think, honestly, as weird as it sounds, I think people would be extremely mad if there was a trade for Connor Hellebuck. Go to hell. Yeah. I also don't think that Hellebuck wants to play in Canada. You know what? I think he was a bit wrongfully placed in the same category as Fowler. I think he was a bit wrongfully placed in the same category as the other Americans when he requested a trade. Because I think that if there wasn't all the political stuff going on right now, and the Kachuks and Quinn Hughes and whoever else were the other American that left, he wants to win. Like, this is from a veteran, something that has been usual in their career to go, hey, I'm in my mid-30s now. Like, can you send me to a team that isn't at the bottom of the standings? That's pretty usual. There were rumors that he would be willing to go to Toronto. Toronto took Sergei Bobrovsky. Personally, I've always said, man, just send him to Edmonton. Just get him to Edmonton. They have no more excuses if they choke with that guy between the pipes. The thing is, now that Toronto has chosen Bobrovsky and clearly Edmonton doesn't seem to be a possible destination. Well, Montreal are set. I don't think Ottawa would do it in any way. If he wants to win, is it Ottawa? And it's clearly not Calgary and Vancouver. So only American's market are left but I don't know if the Habs came knocking. Would he say no? Honestly, especially now with Kreider there, I think he would come to be honest with you. I would offer, or I'm sorry, I need to offer an update and a correction on something. Tuukka Rask, when he left the bubble, that was not when Jeremy Swayman made his debut. We were close though. Yeah, Halak was the backup then and I forget who would have been the backup to Halak at the time. It was the second round next year when Tuukka was clearly hurt and they were playing, against the Islanders. That was a series that was more about Ilyas Sorokin than it was about either of the Boston goalies. But yeah, it was in 2021, Swayman played, and everyone was like, okay, cool, he's ready. And they were like, nah, more seasoning, more seasoning. Interesting for the Canadians that a couple of years ago, I think everyone agreed that they overachieved. And going into last year, you're like, okay, they overachieved, they made the playoffs. I feel, as somebody who really likes this Canadiens team, as everyone on this show does, especially Pete, that last year, they still overachieved by getting out of the second round and getting to the Eastern Conference Final. But I still think for the third year in a row, they're better than they were last year. So is this maybe, to jump sports, a New England Patriots situation where the team is definitely better this year, I would say, but how much better do you expect the results to be, given that they got a little fortunate to pull the Game 7s out of their asses that they did last year? Theoretically, the conference should be better. The water should find its level in the conference. Washington is so much better. Buffalo, I don't think is, I think Buffalo got worse, but Buffalo is definitely still there. I feel more comfortable saying that the Eastern Conference as a whole was a fluke last year than Montreal was a fluke to get to the Eastern Conference. In what sense do you mean that? Like the Eastern Conference being a fluke? The Pittsburgh Penguins making the playoffs. Yeah, just like the. The Panthers having a foul year where everything went wrong for them. Like, the Panthers should be a powerhouse team again this year. I don't know. Like, Washington was on the downswing. Sabres managed to kind of figure it all out, piece it together. I just think that there's going to be more pieces in play. Like, teams were fighting to not make the playoffs last year, basically, in the Eastern Conference. The Bruins made the playoffs last year. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. But the thing is, to me, the Atlantic is still the best division in hockey, or at least the most complete, because of course, the top three in the Central is amazing, but it's the three. Well, now Utah is pretty damn good, but, you know, you never know. The thing with the Atlantic is, the only team I'm looking at and I'm crossing off the playoffs is the Red Wings. And even the Red Wings, I'm not going to have a heart attack if they make the playoffs. That would rock so fucking much if they trade Dylan Larkin for a second-round pick and then win the President's Trophy. I mean, I think their team's a mess, but it's also hard not to. It's hard to ignore the fact that they've been close the past couple of years. Exactly. They were first in the conference last year in January. I was going to say, they started awesome. We were talking about Emmitt Finney every fucking day. Sean's guy. Yeah. My guy. So, like. No, but even Detroit, I'm looking at them and I'm like, it's not that crazy. So, there's the. The strength of the Atlantic. There's also the fact that, let's not kid ourselves, like, it's weird because Montreal are both, in my sense, once. Like, let's say that Dylan Larkin wasn't a dumbass and he actually wanted to win and he would put Montreal on his list. And he came and he was Montreal's second lineman. I honestly think you have to consider Montreal maybe a top three, maybe even the second best team in the East if they just added Dylan Larkin for a bunch of prospect that doesn't take off, like, actual talent. But right now, this is fantastic. And the thing on the other side that is weird without that coveted second lineman is that in a way, like, this might be my hottest take on the NHL right now, okay? The player that is the most important to his team in the sense that an injury to that player is the most devastating to his team, it's not Kel McCarr, it's not Nathan McKinnon, it's not Connor McDavid, it is freaking Nick Suzuki. Because look at the center line of Montreal if he's not there. Montreal are freaking lucky because Nick Suzuki is an Ironman. He has literally never missed an NHL game in his career so far. Only 10 games of Nick Suzuki being injured could be devastating. Nothing short of devastating for the Montreal Canadiens. 100-point scorer, Selkie winner who doesn't have a legit second center man behind him, that would be devastating. Not to the point of Carey Price in 2015-2016, the Montreal Canadiens literally went from first to last in the NHL due to his injury, but it would be devastating. Everything is still a bit on a razor edge with the team because of the fact that they don't have a second line center. Jake Evans would become real important at work real fast. That would be hilarious. It's reminiscent of Joel Eriksson-Eck for the Wild when he got hurt in the playoffs last year. They don't have center depth. He's a guy who is not quite as explosive or productive as Suzuki, but kind of fits a similar mold in his importance to that team. You're right. That whole picture may fall apart if anything happens to Suzuki. Exactly. As far as expectation to. I did not answer your question. I realized, DJ, is that I feel like now, for the next 5, 6, 7, 8 years, you're at the point where it's not Stanley Cup or bust this year for the Habs, but now it's the expectations. The next step. You did the freaking Final Four. A second round exit would be cool. Another conference final would be cool, but now the next step is to get to the Stanley Cup Final. I do believe it would take a tremendous jump from Demidov, from Slavkovsky, from Dobesh, still being an amazing goaltender. There is still a lot that has to go right for them to pull off a Chicago Blackhawk. What was it? In 2010? The Blackhawks came out of nowhere in 2009, if I'm correct. Went from not making the playoffs to the conference final and then boom. The next year they were champion and we all know what happened next. I don't think this is what's in line for Montreal because of the lack of depth. But now, you know, you have to do a second round now. I think it's going to be the expectation. Anything less than that would be disappointing. Everything more will be cool. Yeah, I would say simply that they've arrived in there in their window now and this happens. This happens sometimes when we talk about teams like the Avalanche or the Stars where you're like, oh, they didn't break through this year. They lost in the second round or in the Stars case, they lost in the conference final. Like, what do they need to do? It's like they're in their fucking window, man. You just do it again next year. Like you're going to be in the mix all the time. And I think the Canadians are now in their window where they're in the mix all the time. And to go to the other side of their center depth conversation, who's to say that this year they're good. Penguins maybe regress and aren't a playoff team. And suddenly we get to do the Sidney Crosby conversation. If ever there were a team other than the Oilers where Sidney Crosby going to them would change shit so, so much. I do have a fun theory that Sidney Crosby should want to go to the Oilers so they win a Stanley Cup and then he can say, yeah, Conor McDavid won a Stanley Cup, but he only did it with Sidney Crosby. That's immense. His legacy is the goat over Conor McDavid, but going to Montreal, everybody's wanted it forever, but it would also be the most unbelievable fit where you're legitimate. Everybody wants Sidney Crosby, but that is an actual need. DJ man to quote my boy Hawkeye. Don't don't don't give me hope, man, right? We finally came to like the thing is, we finally came to rest last year in Montreal with Crosby with the Penguins making last year was the year last summer. It was the talk of the town was like the Penguins suck. They're gonna suck again. Sid is finally going to realize that he has no business in this town. If he wants another shot at the Stanley Cup, he will come and he will be our second lineman. He will bring Stanley home. It would it would be amazing and like I don't know if I don't know how known this is out of Quebec outside of Quebec, but the thing is you had to be there in 03 and 04 when Crosby was in the queue. I was in the town. I lived in the town that had a team. The vote shot at Romanville that I saw Sidney Crosby live and boys like it was before everybody knew Sidney Crosby was it was before his first world junior and like they overcrowded the arenas. That shit was illegal, man. Like I never seen this in my life. Arena. That had 3000 capacities were packed to 5000. You couldn't even move. And if you remember like the way the lottery was done in 05 is that the lottery was done and then they revealed the logos. So Montreal were never close to getting Crosby because they picked Pittsburgh. But the way they revealed it when we were down to number six and then number five, everybody was like, holy shit, he might be coming here. And ever since that love story never stopped. The love story from Quebec with Sidney Crosby never stopped. You saw it at the four nation. How much love you receive from the Bell Center. And we were all in last year. We were all it was like this is the time, but we put it to rest, DJ. We know it will never happen. But you got my heart on that. You got Carey Price at number five. And until Chris Crider ruined his knees, he was a really good player. He won an MVP after his knees were ruined, by the way. All right, you're the best dude. Thank you so much for coming on. We love having you on. And it's been how's the house? Number one rule of talking to somebody who's doing renovation dj you don't talk about the renovation yeah it's uh we we have a roof and we have running water so man are you living through the renovations or are you elsewhere no we're we're living through the renovation and it's a very very painful project and you know it's getting a bit cold here at this time of the year yes so uh yesterday uh poor wifey got up and because 90 of our clothes are in a trailer behind the house and she was like yeah i have a problem i have no coat and it's five degree outside in celsius for you guys since you guys are it's a real crisp sounds like in the air it's it's fall there's a real you know what you should do it's hockey sweater weather hockey just toss on i'm gonna start like the next couple of weeks is my opportunity to wear some hockey jerseys around so tell you and you and the wife toss on whatever jersey you may have and just enjoy that fall crisp watch the movie roof man with channing tatum it's about what you're going through right now that's exactly what we'll do we'll do love you buddy thanks for coming on thanks guys bye pal max van ute our our guy god time just melts away we're on with max what an absolute legend yes uh what a guy by the way should note on those uh on that contract for chris crider it is a 35 plus contract so it's got 3.25 million dollars in performance bonuses to go with the 2.15 million dollar base two million dollars for 10 games played that's what i call the old tie in your skates incentive well if you get your skates on how many games how many games in is that carrie price retirement night and like or whatever the honoring night for carrie price is what if i don't know people won't shut the fuck up about that stupid fucking night what if gary price gets his revenge what if gary price comes to the arena and uh nancy tanya harding's carry price's knees gets his revenge and he's gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god then he'll have done worse than what chris crider did because chris crider who was playing hockey played hockey and crashed into the goalie but gotta get over it folks i mean at least price would be making his count he'd be taking a lot of money out of that guy's pockets yes true speaking of still uh cash grabbing that's right being out speaking of goalies connor hellebuck not likely to report to jets training camp a lot of a lot of reaction to this one and uh the biggest one that i have seen is you don't get to do this you signed the contract it's year three of an eight-year deal i'm seeing a lot of the reaction and i'm like will bond had it first seriously you all laughed at that will bond rant but i'm hearing a lot of the ways people are talking and it sounds an awful lot like be one of them dude sounds like that i'll say i did not anticipate the connor hellebuck situation being messier than dylan than dylan larkin heading into the season like i thought that that hellebuck was just gonna like quietly hope for a trade and may like his list is more expansive he's being less picky about it the non-reporting is kind of wild to me yeah i think it's better for everybody if he's really not gonna play but i'm also like who's fucking trading for you man darren drager do we have the audio sean of darren drager talking about the trade offers for connor hellebuck right now hit me yes we do why wasn't he traded and the harsh reality fellows the offers were terrible the offers were terrible i mean and you know you know he hasn't expanded no trade list which means that there are more than a few teams that hellebuck would consider going to well that's great but you know you do have to look at the bigger picture and a lot of those teams have decent goals and they're not going to be able to do that because they're not going to be able to do that because they're not going to be able to do that because they're not have decent goaltending so automatically that makes them a non-fit right you know or you you get teams that kick tires and have decent goaltending but they do see connor hellebuck as a potential upgrade but they want connor hellebuck at a discount price bargain basement return well kevin shovel layoff and the winnipeg jets can't do that they can't do that how would you sell that to the fan base right um and there's all kinds of speculation out there about well you can come back he'd be a good fit for the fan base right and there's all kinds of speculation out there about really we just want to be that's enough yeah okay yeah the trade offers are terrible i also need to know have you heard from chevy on this one because i'm seeing everyone get all sorts of pissed at connor hellebuck and i'm wondering if it's a both sides agreed let's just not have a circus here like we do not want to have every like i talk all the time about like it's not worth having a player on your roster if there's going to be a circus and they're not very good how about if they're not going to play for your team and they're not going to play for your team and they're not going to play for your team and it's going to be a circus yeah but here's the thing if if shovel day off told hellebuck don't come it's gonna it's gonna be a mess if you come uh then hellebuck should make that clear yeah but they can't but they can't they they because if if the jets admit we told him don't come then it's saying oh yeah we have to get rid of this guy he's burning a hole in our pocket well he's burning a hole in your pocket either way he is i don't know a ten and a half million dollar hole in the winnipeg jets uh pocket we talked about the offers and how maybe no one's gonna beat that pick swap that the uh sabers were trying to do with the jets sean the more this goes on though are you like you know what i'm cool with dax and rudolph i'm cool with that that they did not do this pick swap and trade and there was gonna be 21 involved or something and a prospect to get connor hellebuck because i stay on the side of sabers you're good don't do that i mean no i don't think they're good i don't think their goaltending is good enough and i would have done that trade in a heartbeat because first off but here's the thing if they wait like doesn't the the doesn't the deal just become worse and like maybe they get them for lower than they originally offered oh i mean if they can get them for less that then yeah it'd be awesome but it doesn't lose in leverage by the second yeah i agree but i mean it just seems like they're like they're not gonna trade that guy i don't like i don't i don't really know how this goes because it's going to require them to take less than they were reportedly offered um which is just like that's how i think gms lose their jobs which like honestly shovel day i might lose his job anyways after all this but um i i don't know i i think the reality is they probably would have gotten dax and rudolph at eight too like it seems like everyone everyone wanted they had a d-man that they wanted and it was all different and nobody knew who was good so like i don't know i uh i still want connor hellebuck i still would be happy to give up like any draft picks whichever goalie they want but they don't want picks jack quinn yeah they i don't know who they think they are they need centers they they think that if they get young centers they'll be good and the sabers are good that roster is not good i don't know if they think that they'll be good if they get young centers i just think that they they might be good if they get young centers i just think that they they might be good if they believe that they won't have to look for centers if they get for young yeah they're probably just spent the last 10 years looking for centers um the the thing that i thought of this morning was like when was the last time we had a player just say i'm not showing up to camp like well that's what i was gonna say not a contract dispute or not a lack of a contract like everybody kept calling the swayman thing drove me crazy wasn't a fucking hold on he didn't have a deal yeah well i guess he was holding on to a contract he was holding on to a contract he was holding on to a contract he was holding out for a deal no but that's not what it is like a holdout is i will not play for this contract right and so i don't remember the last time that a player was just like i'm not reporting despite my deal maybe it was alexi ashen uh that was 1995 years ago so 20 nope that was 1995 95 31 that was 31 years ago 31 years ago so this is like fairly unprecedented or fairly foreign territory for the nhl precedential uh medal of freedom yeah here's a question because i don't like how did that hold out at i don't know he set out the entire year okay so yeah that's what i was gonna say is like not a single point yeah it was real rusty jeff better connor hellebuck doesn't strike me as someone who's going to uh bend the knee capitulate however you want to put it like like what happens if connor hellebuck terrorist demands yeah like what happens if connor hellebuck just doesn't play an entire year i have an answer jets make the playoffs and stew skinner is the fucking heart winner that would jets are not making the fucking playoff i know not without but if they do do you say heart yeah all right those idiots who are like connor hellebuck is the mvp this year are going to either admit they were wrong about something or all right you got to vote for stew for mvp now well i mean what if they what if they reggie busham what if they take back the heart take take back connor hellebuck's mvp yeah i think that's i think that's a good idea it's the right thing to do uh how do we feel they're definitely not going to do that though they will they will just give like mark shifley mvp or something like that i don't think for any winnipeg jets if they make the playoffs i don't know uh okay another big thing that's come with the hellebuck thing has been players with no trade clauses demanding trades and a common refrain is if you demand a trade you should lose your no trade list how do we feel i think that it should shrink like if you have a full no move full no trade and you request a trade it should shrink to like 10 teams no trade or something like that that's exactly it that's exactly it it should be smaller it shouldn't go we you should you should defund the no trade list you should not abolish the no trade list but here's the thing like you're definitely not talking hell about language now nice nice does does that like introduce a really weird gray area though where like four teams and players will avoid formally making the no trade or making the trade request formal and then having to submit it to the league so that it shrinks the thing yeah that's what will happen yeah they'll just go to their they'll have their agent softly say you know what there will be a lot of our guy wasn't thrilled about uh our guy wasn't happy about this kind of thing but then what happens when then we're going to interpret things as like well is this a trade request if we have what happened with like rick bonus at the end of last season where rick bonus they missed the playoffs blue jackets comes out last game and is like got some bitches on my team the ones in there you want bitches go into that room that is where you'll find bitches and then the next day crazy that that worked to get him a job but then the next day but then the next day it was zach warensky was not thrilled with rick bonus giving uh it's some bitches in their speech and we'd be like oh oh is that is he a bitch no no not to be one of the bitches but like oh like is that uh is that and i'm not requesting a trade but he wants to be traded kind of thing that'd be that'd be like the hit chat of trade rumors and i think that i would not want to have to look in depth at everything that closely shout out rick bonus my thing is that like contracts at the end of the day are an agreement between two parties and like you could just those those people can do what you could do whatever you want like if we one of them dude like if connor hellebuck doesn't want to play then like don't pay him i like i don't know like it's i don't know what to do with that and if he wants to request a trade like in any other circumstance if you had a contract like you can leave the you can you can leave your job you might have a no no compete or whatever but like i just don't understand why it's such a such a big deal i guess like i'm pro players requesting trades i think the whole like oh you signed a contract you gotta like that's not how the world works in any right like there's ramifications for not completing your contract obviously as there should be but it doesn't mean that like you can't request out of your job right but on the other side there's ramifications for not completing your contract obviously as there should be but it doesn't mean that like you can't request out of your job i agree and and like i think he's well within his right to request a trade it's the it's the not reporting thing to me that is iffy because like you can say it's gonna be messy and the team can tell him to not report blah blah that's fine but if he if his end goal here is to win which he keeps saying like he wants a trade to win you know how you have zero percent chance of winning is by not playing hockey at all like he shows up to the jets camp and he could win he can win some games can win miniscule amounts of games perhaps but he's gonna win zero games if he's not playing hockey how does this affect his hall of fame candidacy zero wins didn't do shit in camp got mogged by a bunch of rookies so like that's where i'm i'm like he it's not about wanting to win it's about not wanting to play in winnipeg yeah i think i just need more information about winnipeg's end of this before i can fully uh skewer connor hellebuck for this because as sean said like i get wanting out of there and yeah i'm not thrilled with the if it is a and i agree with max that it doesn't seem that it is as hard a get me to the united states line and i i think that we are uh making an association there that i think you know understandably so but i don't know it to be true that he's like just get me to the united states line and i think that we are uh making an association to the united states i think he's like i won something holy shit i didn't know that could be done i would like to do more of that yeah i i i believe in a player's right to request a trade i also believe in a team's right to not fulfill it and i also believe in a like if your trade request is not fulfilled by the team you should play out your contract like you you signed a play and you request a trade i why he gets shit for it a lot you don't but you don't take to brusco did it jake to brusco requested a trade like 80 times yeah and they just never traded him and you know we've heard the stories of he would like pack extra on road trips because he'd be like this is it this time i'm they're really gonna trade me i'm ready to relocate and they were like okay we're gonna make the playoffs we're not trading you dude for all the shit that i've talked about dylan larkin this summer and i was an absolute bitch this entire summer being like trade me to three teams i don't think that you should be able to do that too i don't think that you should be able to strong arm your team into trading you period i don't think that you should be able to hand pick your trade destination that kind of kill like i mean i get it in the sense like the brad martian situation where he's like i i want to be traded to florida i have no movement clause that's when you get to flex it fine if you want to get into that that's fine i just don't like holding your team hostage to trade you that gives me a weird feeling for all the shit that i've talked about dylan larkin at least he's showing up to camp and going through the humiliation ritual of getting the c-stripped and just kind of eating it until they trade him yeah i think everyone has a right to do whatever the fuck they want like if you don't want to play there request your trade i don't give a fuck about like you sign a contract cool you don't want to play there request a trade if they don't want to trade you you don't want to play if you don't want to play they don't pay you like i think it'd be ridiculous if connor hellebuck was sitting there if like the jets were like well okay if you're not going to report we're not going to pay you and connor hellebuck's like well i signed a contract you owe me this money well then that makes no fucking sense but like yeah if you if you don't want to you don't want to play then you don't make like yeah that's your you're you're you're right do whatever the fuck you want i just think yeah i mean i i'd just be really fucking pissed if you sign an eight-year deal and then what three years into the eight-year deal you're just like i would rather not play hockey than be here that to me is like i mean i but i also have the same situation isn't that bad or that dire so like that's what i was gonna say i guess on the other side is that like because like even the brusque thing i was very uh supportive of the brusque because like i get you sign the contract and everything but you sign that contract with a completely different understanding of what was supposed to be going on like when he signed that contract in vancouver vancouver was supposed to be good like they were in the right and then they blew up the entire fucking franchise like that's not his fault and to us it's different with winnipeg but like he signed that contract with the expectation that they were going to do literally a single goddamn thing to make that team better and they haven't it's so funny i was talking about jake de brusque's contract in boston when he was demanding a trade and i'm pretty sure he's i'm pretty like hasn't he also requested a trade from the yeah that one is completely makes way more sense yeah yeah yeah okay that's i didn't think i was thinking about the boss thinking about vancouver but like i don't know i get that that's not part of like the language of the contract but you sign the contract with an understanding of what this thing is supposed to be and if they don't hold up their end of the bargain in that right in that regard like i understand you want no okay let's uh do espn superstar poll greg wachinski pulled a bunch of nhl stars on such topics as the upcoming 84 game season texas expansion and rule changes that they'd like to see in the future and i'm pretty sure that's what they're going to do so i'm going to read it on espn.com uh i want to go through my three favorite questions and answers that happened here sean have you seen this pete have you seen this i have not i was gonna say you left out my some of my favorite answers from the texas one in particular okay yeah yeah we can go through some of those as uh well i know what those are gonna be it's gonna be uh yeah we can go through those let's start with the texas one and i'm gonna go through some of those and i'm gonna go through with the question how will your life be impacted by an 84 game season matt coronado superstar participated in this and said quote my life will not be impacted by it i mean that is quite literally incorrect you will be playing two more games playing two more games brother i mean not necessarily he can hold out last two that's true oh that's a proper holdout that's a good read i like that read it's like my life will not be impacted i ain't playing those two fucking yeah i signed my contract i signed to play 82 games oh that'd be cool this is the oh that's a good point this is and this is also like the most uh like state testing answer like reiterate the question how will your life be impacted by 84 games my life will not be impacted by playing 84 games oh fuck yeah shut out not knowing the answer on the test and doing that that's the good shit uh the nhl is adding another team in texas in either houston or austin what would you like for them to become called my favorite answer came from tom wilson who said not for me to decide my my favorite was um i think logan cooley was like the cowboys brother yeah there were some people who did not understand the assignment at all or so i think uh philip forsberg said the butt kickers oh that's because of the cowboy boots the butt kickers because of the boots uh there were a lot of what associations do i make with sports teams in texas oh i know i'll say sports teams in texas we love quentin byfield we're a quentin byfield podcast he answered every time i think of texas i just keep thinking of other teams names i mean i like the longhorns fuck yeah brother that's my guy you don't want there to be a hockey team called the longhorns when we've already established this is going to be a tough one to have juice with i mean definitely not but i do like that quentin byfield is a longhorns respecter yeah i'm gonna say it brady kachuk said the wranglers oh no that's calgary yeah we can do the same for texas team but we can do the same name for texas uh yeah logan cooley said i was gonna say cowboys i think it's baller would make a sick logo too and he's american he's american like it's like what's the logo logan cooley is it a star by any chance cole caulfield had a little bit of uh dot com the need you have to be the smartest person in the room is off-putting answer you see that he said yeah houston arrows run it back yes run it back i was like okay this guy's a story arrows like yeah i uh i fancy myself a bit of a hockey team name nowhere myself yeah uh jack eichel said the cattle there were some okay wyatt johnson got weird said the houston humidity yeah what about that's a guy that plays in texas the houston drivers all right that play drivers and cattle drivers yeah i like the drivers i'm not not mad about it okay stay out of this now my favorite one is this is like the first lengthy answer that i've thrown in here the question was if you could change or drop one rule in the nhl what would it be leo carlson answered the offside review when it takes long after the play if it's an offside and they score right away it should be offside but if it's 30 seconds after then the team scores it's like oh come on it doesn't affect the play but i do love it when the other team scores and then it's offside right on brother rule for thee not for me rules for thee not for me i thought i mean i thought that leo carlson's answer was just gonna be get rid of the salary cap restrictions yeah i thought it was good too what's i thought you should be able to have 21 percent those were some good ass answers were there any uh others that stood out to you sean no the the the texas name ones were the one that real stuck out to me it's like these guys really did not want to use their brains when answering this question it was like it was like name association basically i like when i i like when the hockey player shows up within the answer which is like exactly i don't know i uh am not capable of thinking about this not for me to decide that was to know that sounds so bill uh belichickian i cannot wait to uh screenshot that clip it for when tom wilson delivers an elbow to somebody's head and then they're like how many games for this hit and tom wilson's not for me to decide not for me to decide baby freak out about the statement okay the pll championship is this sunday at 12 30 p.m eastern the united states and canada on espn and we've had pll it's been fun keeping an eye on lacrosse without hockey this was a fun little project that we've been able to do checking in with pll having some guys on brett dobson was amazing with us that was so fun uh denver and philadelphia in this one and we are going to play a conversation that we had with denver defensemen uh mike manley who you'll see from the as soon as it starts you're going to see him and be like this is going to be fun it's an absolute blast yep can i interject real quick uh before we get to facial hair mogging can we do can we do like a brief facial hair mogging segment on brent burns why what oh yeah brent burns shaved his beard and replaced his teeth and he might now be like the only person who's ever shaved his beard and he looks so good yeah he looks really good looking man unbelievable didn't know he had it like that yeah oh it's like this is like the anti james harden where it's like you remove the beard it's like oh why did you have the beard in the first place yeah exactly where's james hard and you see that and you're like ah i could you probably started growing that the second facial hair showed up do you think you saw that just a picture of his face in a t-shirt you'd be able to tell who that was like if i saw if i saw him in that state walking down the street walking down the street walking down the street walking down the street walking down the street i think i would be like that guy looks familiar well there's a weird thing with like and maybe it was from my beat days where i was like had the bird's eye view and was i could identify players just from their bodies like their shoulders and everything i don't know if in street clothes i'd be like oh that's brent burns but brent burns does have the build that would stand out to you if you walked by them on the street but if you just saw that face i don't think i'm clocking it's brent burns yeah that's crazy that he just chose not to look like that for like the last 15 years yeah no i'm married he made some very cool choices i would say yeah i think he's married with some chickens i think that he made a uh he made some personality choices yeah it's fun to he had brand yeah right exactly and he stuck to it okay here's our conversation with mike manley it is a blast let's get ready for the pll championship by bringing in denver outlaws defender and two-time pll defenseman of the year you know i'm best from absolutely fucking mustache mogging me right now it's mike manley what's up man how are you doing guys appreciate you having me on i'm doing horrible you popped i i knew what you looked like i knew what you looked like and i was like you know what maybe he'll have shaved maybe i don't know maybe he'll have something going on with his face maybe a distracting tattoo and then you popped up and i was like well pete you'll be handling this one i look like a little child yeah you gotta look like a little child you got a little better hair you got a little better hair than i do though you got some good flow going on oh i'll take it we both have good eyebrows though so we can there we go we can meet there yeah you're saying that i should handle this because you look like a little child when i'm the littlest child in the world right now is tough that is an unbelievable mustache when have you when did you decide to commit to that how old oh man probably like eighth grade yeah it started coming in uh it's uh ever since college i think i uh started growing it and especially with work and stuff like that i can't really have a full beard so mustache it is it's such a like for you playing defense that's such a and like i know like you can throw big hits we were looking at the one from uh was it against new york new york yeah where you just absolutely like murdered a guy to begin the game like that's like i know we're coming from hockey but like the big burly hulking defenseman with the mustache that fits so well yeah it's uh it's definitely part of i think my character and i think a lot of people in the stands kind of know me through that mustache and by my mustache i feel like you could definitely i mean even the name like mike manly and then you have the manliest mustache of all time like it's pretty unbelievable i mean have you considered or been offered any acting gigs in like wild west movies no i haven't but i actually have a couple pictures up on a horse on my instagram so yeah yeah there we go taylor shepard and get this man's number uh how have you navigated the uh pushback uh the healthy pushback in society against toxic masculinity with your last name being manly because for a long time being manly uh a lot of people would they would wear that proudly uh but pete and i have tried to back away from anything that could associate us with being manly so people don't get mad at us how have you navigated it yeah i don't have to worry about that too much like you guys do i'm not on the big media platform like you guys as much so i'm not too worried about that part i mean you're a professional athlete who destroys people i think you're you're clearly more historically traditionally uh defined as manly uh than we are uh you are we saw in the notes we would not have brought this up but that you are we're the same age but you are technically time is a social construct you are technically the oldest player in the league as you go through the years you go into a championship are you thinking like i'm gonna mark recce this thing i'm gonna win and i'm gonna get out or are you like i'm gonna look did you see any gray in this mustache i'm gonna play forever yeah i i've been saying that for like the last four years but here i am um yeah so last year that was it that was the plan and then you know hopefully yeah it all comes true and it goes the right way this this weekend and uh now i can decide after that it's you know i got a so it's ultimately talking to them figuring out what's best for them and and then moving forward from there well i gotta ask what keeps bringing you back uh just the uh i love the sport man i just i love you so once you step away from that locker room you can't find anything like it you know it's it's hard to replicate that in in real life um and just the overall i guess the competitiveness to kind of it'll be my first championship in the in the pll and and professional lacrosse so just chasing that still sorry Are you thinking about it at all? Like, if you win this one, that'll be it? Yeah, I'll be on a horse ride into the sunset, for sure. Dude, I'm loving the horse imagery. Seriously. Taylor Sheridan has got a lot of projects, so he can find a spot for you, for sure. How well do you do with the old jokes, being the oldest player in the PLL? How many do you get? Is it a problem for you? This is Pete's way of saying he's got some in the holster. Like, am I allowed to make any old jokes? Go right ahead. I've been here every weekend. Kyle Hartzell came back this year for a little bit, so it kind of took the light off me because he was the oldest for part of the season. But all last year, and mostly this year, I still get it from guys I'm covering and all that, so it doesn't bother me. All right, let's try this one on for size. The championship game's at 12.30. Do you think that you'll be back from dinner in time to get there? Yeah, I'll be having my espresso for dessert for it. Nice. That's not when you go to a track and just walk around it a bunch? To walk to dinner off, yeah. No, it's actually. I don't know why I'm making old jokes about you. You can actually see me at the mall, and I'll be walking to the mall before it opens up. Full jumpsuit? Oh, fuck yeah. Do you keep playing lacrosse because they give you the free jumpsuits? Yeah, I mean, we went Nike this year. I got to get the Nike merch. It is. I mean, to do it, to shout out the PLL, like, team store, pro shop, whatever it would be, the merch is very nice. I've got a PLL fucking raincoat. I am praying that it rains every day so I can stunt on. I just found my quarter zip, like, this week, stashed in the back of my closet. It is truly some good stuff. We do have to mention you are a Buffalo Sabres fan. Our producer, Sean, diehard Buffalo Sabres fan, and how good was your year last year? Oh, it was great. I mean, we've been in the trenches for so long. Obviously, the Bills kind of being a Bills fan the last few years, actually quite a bit now, has been great. But being a Sabres fan, it's been tough. But this past season was awesome. It was really exciting just to be in this general area. Like, I'm in Rochester, and even from Buffalo, Rochester, everyone was just so excited about it. I ended up making it to a place. I went to a playoff game. It was awesome. Which game? Yeah. The first series. I went to the first series. I went with a buddy of mine. It was awesome. We went to games one and two. Were you at game one for a chance? No, it wasn't game one. Shoot, I'm blanking on it right now. But no, I was there. They lost that game actually at home, so it sucked. But yeah, it was the crowd and everything was electric, so it was awesome. Yeah, man. That series was so cool. Buffalo fans are awesome. They'll keep it real with you. Like, when it sucks, they're not going to say, hey, man, it's okay. They're like, this fucking sucks. So getting to see that many people who have been, what's it called? Like, the atrium in the key bank? Like, seeing happy people file into that after a game is just unbelievable. They got such a good team. They should have had you bang the drum instead of Josh Allen because famously, he banged the drum. He banged the drum. He banged the drum at one of the home games, possibly the game that you were at because it was a home game that they lost. Did you think about getting in there? Yeah, I don't think I'll be getting invited to that. I don't know if they know me that well. Well, settle a bet. Do you know who William Fickner is? I do not know. Fuck me. He's an actor. Sean is off screen going nuts. He's an actor. You know him from the opening bank scene of The Dark Knight, among so many other things. Prison break. He's great. He's got a show right now on Amazon or not on Amazon on Apple TV, but he's like the celebrity super fan of the Sabres and they'll have him at games and he'll bang the drum and everything and we'll be like, Sean, you see that Fickner was at the game and Sean's like, we don't know who that is, man. Like we're just watching the game. We don't care. We're not doing like the New York Knicks thing. We don't know who our celebrity fans are and we're like, yo, I'm talking about. Yeah, this is really devastating for us. Not good for us. We were just like, we were, we were blaming the age gap and like you're old as shit. So this, we lose, we lose it here. This sucks. Are you not a movie guy? I am. I've just, I'm terrible with names at times and just, just the overall, like I'm not, you know, like I said, I'm, you say I'm older, but I haven't, I'm not crazy about social media. I'm not on it all the time. I don't post all the time, stuff like that. So I'm not really hip with the new shit today. That rules. Are you, why aren't you on, on social media? Is it, are you too shy or is it, you're trying to live a healthy life? I'm thinking a little bit of both and just too much shit pisses me off. I don't want to be on there. Just raise my blood pressure. It's a bad time to be on there then. It's a bad time to be on there. Just raise my blood pressure for no reason. Yeah. It is crazy. I saw a tweet today about our show and it was like, DJ Bean sucks. That's me. And I was like, it's fucking bullshit. And then like an hour later, I saw a tweet that was like, Pete Blackburn doesn't know anything about hockey. And I was like, all right, even at least social media. Like I need to see bad news about somebody to just like even out how negative social media is. And the best part about that is there was like a thousand good tweets, nice tweets sent about our show today and just ignored all of those to focus on the ones that say that he sucks. It's like, are you ever, if you're like looking at a hotel or a product on Amazon or something and it's like this hotel, has 4.1 stars. And you're like, that means something brought it down and you, you go and find like 4.1 is good, but you got to find why is somebody mad about this? And that's the social media experience. Yeah. I was going to say, if it was because you were shy, I'd say just get out there, man, just volume shoot. It's what everyone's doing these days. As long as everyone's agreeing, they're mad at Sydney Sweeney for an ad. She did. We're mad at Arch Manning for good reason. And I don't know. I don't know what we're happy about. I mean, everybody's talking about how Mitch McConnell famous old guy is like dead. Oh yeah. Yeah. But like not there. They're, they're a weekend at Bernie and him. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Well, so that's the most positive thing is that somebody who looks dead, we all agree is alive. Mitch McConnell. Nice. Yeah. McConnell. Slip a little bit in it. How do you feel about this championship game, man? I love it. Last year was awesome. I mean, this year is even better. We learned, you know, you learn from your failure failures. The experience just being on there for the weekend. It's a lot, right? You have different social media personalities. They're interviewing you. You know, you're in one room. They're grabbing you over here, grabbing over there. You have the end of the year awards on Friday. So you're kind of, you're kind of busting into the city. You have a nice, you know, couple of drinks, nice food, the whole league's there. So it's, it's a lot, but just experience lit last year. And then kind of gain that experience and then going, knowing what to expect this year. I'm super excited. I mean, Philly's a great team. They really are. They did a great job in the off season, putting some guys together. And then also we got, you know, we technically let's let go a couple of their guys and we picked them up and they've been great for us. So how do you balance like staying within yourself before like a championship game, but also kind of getting up for it, but not getting too up for it where you, you kind of lose yourself a little bit. Yeah, that's tough. Everyone's nervous. I don't care if they say they're not, they're fucking nervous, right? Like it's a good thing. No nerves are good. It means you're excited. It means you care. It means you're passionate. For me, it's just kind of being even keel, kind of, like you said, being as an older guy, you know, not trying to be too emotional, not trying to be too high up and kind of letting the rest of the guys kind of just see me. And then just moving forward from there. But, you know, it's, there's a lot of passion involved in this and something goes wrong. You might hear me start screaming a little bit, but it's all passion. I get after the rest a little bit. They know it though. It's not, it's not directed at them. It's just passion. But we, we kind of go back and forth at times throughout the game. But yeah, it's, it's, it's overall like you can't beat this experience, right? Like this is what we play the game for. It's do or die. For many of us, it's a career defining game. I know we made like a lot of old jokes, but I'm asking this question genuinely. Like what is, what's changed or like what's your kind of recovery like at this stage of your career? Because we talked to a lot of older hockey players and some of the answers there are fascinating with like new medicine or like new techniques to kind of stay loose and stay limber and things like that. So has anything changed in recent years where you're just trying to say, where you're just trying to stay kind of at the top of your game? Oh yeah. I spend way more money on my body. Just trying to get it right. Do massages every Wednesday. This during the playoffs, I started this acupuncture. The guy actually works for the bills and works for the Sabres a lot. I had him back when he first started in Rochester when I was coming off a knee injury. And then he has his practice now out of, out of Buffalo. And he's phenomenal. He works a lot with, a lot of athletes just doing a lot of mobility stuff. I haven't, you know, probably my earlier days, just trying to lift a lot of weight and now i've done more or i'd say less weight i still lift but less weight more mobility stuff and just kind of getting getting uh hitting the groundwork a little bit getting the heart rate elevated um and other than that just i really focus on the recovery aspect of it uh i ask this of every soccer goalkeeper or defender what's the yelling situation because you brought up like yelling out there if things are going tough what's the yelling between uh goalie and defenseman situation like on the outlaws oh logan's he's quiet he's yeah he's very even keel like he's he doesn't yell very much i honestly i don't think i've ever ever really heard him yell or like go off about anything the only time i hear him yelling is your positioning or if uh we need a slide or something like that so honestly the only time i've ever heard him yell you which is honestly great as a goalie do you know why i actually i i read an article about this do you know why he doesn't yell at the defenseman that much you tell me i have no because one of them is a fucking monster who looks like javier bardem i wouldn't yell at that guy either i mean i probably coached him when he was in like i i mean i was probably like his camp counselor back in the day too so he probably was like i'm not yelling at this guy that's amazing yeah because i always ask like it with soccer players i'm like why don't you yell back at the goalie like stop yelling at me i'm trying to play i figured we were talking to i was at dersey who said that like the uh the defenseman and goaltenders like have a a monthly dinner where they just talk shit about the forwards and i think that the forwards were having meetings where they were talking shit about the defenseman and the goaltenders is there any sort of divide in in the outlaws locker room between the forward guys in the back end uh i think it's more known like we just get after each other a little bit like especially during practice we'll just chirp each other i feel like that's pretty common amongst many teams uh we're not quite going to dinner just defensive versus offense i mean most of our dinners are together as a team we don't have like a ton of guys on the team it's not like we're splitting up a huge restaurant or anything like that but there's definitely some chirping going on between the offense and defense and you know whether it's uh they didn't score that many goals or they let a bunch of transition goals off because they're too lazy to run back to the end stuff like that like you know the scoreboard moves when we make mistakes they can just you know dick around and throw the ball away stuff like that like it's all good they take it you know they don't really take it to heart they they respond really well to it so if you are to win the championship we know why and if you are to lose the championship we will also know why uh mike thanks thanks so much for coming on we're looking forward to watching the championship between denver and philadelphia sunday at 12 30 p.m eastern on espn thanks so much mike good luck thank you guys i appreciate it no toxic masculinity we like manly that was a like a stunning development that a guy that looks like that would vibe with us yes it just just has all the makings of somebody who would look at us and just be like i don't get time for those fucking losers no he was in right away he was in right away he was excellent and you can watch him uh yes we know sorry to cut you off i was gonna say to sort through what we were working through there it's not javier bardem it's uh it is james dean morgan yeah yeah jeffrey dean morgan jeffrey james dean yes different different entertainment i'm just shocked you didn't just go straight to uh daniel day lewis like uh it's very there will be blood mustache yeah well i don't want to you mustache you uh daniel claimed you a guy but yeah that's he's big jeffrey dean morgan big time yeah cool guy now i want sausages you know the links jimmy dean links daddy would you like some daddy would you daddy would you daddy would you daddy would you daddy would you like some sausage that also works in a different sausage industry what is happening what do you mean what's happening sean what was that that little jingle song that you were singing you know that song you know daddy would you like some sausage oh yeah yeah he got fingered pretty got fingered yeah not familiar no not only movie buffs know damn damn john you should check out freddie got fingered and report back water dogs and outlaws in the championship sunday you can get that on espn and uh the outlaws per sports interaction getting one and a half against the water dogs every game is your game when you bet with sports interaction bet the action on every period every shift every shot with canada's homegrown sports book sports interaction ontario or alberta only must be 19 plus in ontario 18 plus in alberta please play responsibly uh yeah outlaws getting one and a half against the water dogs but what's really interesting to me sean is that the over under is 22 and a half in the semi-final against utah the outlaws won 11 to 5 so i'm assuming philadelphia oh i mean philadelphia and boston had a pretty had a bit of a barn burner i have to check the score of uh what that was but i'm assuming philadelphia is bringing a bit more raucous philadelphia won 13 to 10 so oh so that's just barely over that 22 and a half that's a that's a it's a tempting total are we perceived perceiving this as disrespect to our guy uh the manly man yes because they while the while denver is on the road this is a neutral site game being played in new jersey i think we just do denver plus one and a half i'm like i'm tempted for denver straight up right yeah yeah like i'm i'm absolutely rooting for denver just based off that interview and the manly man him getting a ring getting to retire like he's gonna have to play forever if he doesn't get a ring in the bl the guy clearly doesn't want to come back next year yeah he's like i'm just trying to wrap this shit up trying to move on with his life he's got shit to do he's got a family now he's 84 years old that's right let him stop working every game is out with sports interaction from punk drop to overtime bet with live odds on every play with easy deposits and payouts go to sports interaction.com slash what chaos to open an account ontario or alberta only must be 19 plus in ontario 18 plus in alberta please play responsibly sean if you would hit me with the super chat starting with karen who says sean leaving what chaos to start his own podcast with so i we need to vet these before we read them today uh with risillo and pursue screenwriting jk so excited for whatever is to come and another season of what chaos uh that reference yes yes uh what is the uh qatar one from ambassador to greece sean can you explain that qatar no i have no idea what's going on there gota go to oh cutter go to a there you go that's one of those like those things where it's like pictures and everything you got a sound idea that's cutter go to a uh mistaken mexican uh-oh says piss chat tyler your m chuck would love this indeed he would love your life uh-oh says just smoked three darts are so back boys shout out carrie price luxury trash says cup come into the island mark my words drive for five is alive baby not according to the haters not according to which there are apparently many which there could be them according to the haters reportedly there are some emma haven says brent burns you were hiding this indeed he was talking about the face karen says if you showed me a picture of that guy and asked me what i think his name is i would say mike manning that's the uh mike manly does sound like a um one of those almost friday podcast names when they do characters like your name is mike manly you are a lacrosse player and state trooper the prophecy was foretold yes uh smakalka oh no sorry emma says too much lacrosse on my horse podcast that's on us uh smakalka says i will be at the poll championship with a group of confused friends lmao thanks for being my intro to the pll and go dogs sorry mike steph says sean thanks for the support of ku football last weekend hopefully he continues this weekend in london rock chalk jaywalk jayhawk okay listen folks all the support for kentucky was as sean pointed out kansas kansas kansas is like yeah we're losing this rivalry but as is a fun move to do i'm just gonna say you're racist and what are you gonna say back because anything that you say says the racist i you were a slave state i so fully support a team being on the losing end of a rivalry and just official a team counts going to yeah well you guys are fucking racist and evil people so pick your side and also like john brown i believe was the first person in american history to be executed for treason but he's a good guy i mean he was a good guy like he wasn't he was a an abolitionist but i'd love if they just like we ride with that guy also kansas plays my arizona state sun devils in london this week so it's fuck kansas i don't care if you were just for one week and then it's back to being rock chalk jayhawk and rock chalk algeria right okay michael curtis says sean needs to see freddie got finger sausage you do nothing about that i don't know if i want to see i think i skipped it that's he getting back to i made a d's nuts joke earlier when i was like probably in eighth or ninth grade freddie got fingered came out and i was like absolutely Absolutely not. I mean, that was the target demographic. I know. I had a tough time growing up. It was a real moment in time and a real moment for a specific group of people. Yep. Like teenage boys. Stop saying teenage boys on the podcast. This is the end of the episode. Thank you, everybody. We're going to, Traders is back, okay? U.S. Traders is back. So we're going to have on the bonus episode on Patreon, we're going to do Traders. But then once we get into the swing of things, we're going to do Traders stuff a week behind so everybody can get caught up. Have you seen the celebrity Traders lineup? Yes, in passing. It is big. Wait, like this American celebrity one? Yeah, the upcoming celebrity Traders. I mean. I saw that it was like all influencers. That's kind of the extent of what you saw. No, no, no, no, no. Sorry. This is U.S. Traders. I'm talking about celebrity Traders. Celebrity Traders is a version of the U.K. game. No, I haven't. It's Richard Grant. It's Bella Ramsey. It's James Acaster. Oh, yeah. It's like 80s fucking fashion. Anything with James Acaster, I'm signing up instantly. In October, the first, do not, please watch fucking Traders before you watch Celebrity Traders. Although. No. Honestly, anything that gets you into. To Claudia. Like, I am so confident that the second you see Claudia Winkleman and see her do her thing, you're going to be all the way in. I'm open to U.K. Traders after Celebrity Traders, but I'm not going to be watching three Traders seasons simultaneously. Disputes between you and me. I'm going to be doing. Did you know that? Yes. Did you know that James Blunt was a high-ranking member of the British military and was responsible for protecting the Queen of England? I did know that. I did know that. Or I knew that there was some. he had some sort of military thing. We had a whole brunch episode about James Blunt. Yeah, we know our shit when it comes to Blunt. We know about being beautiful. We know about that, Sean. Imagine you're wearing that Aussie jersey. Some distressed jeans. What's with you and the distressed jeans? The thing about you, Sean, is you don't know you're beautiful. Okay? Alright. I think that's it traitors wise. Oh, well, when's our next episode? Monday. Good call. We're going to do Monday, Wednesday next week, and then the week after that the shit is really happening. Back to business. Yeah, see, Chad is wait, you said I fucking love Claudia Fight Me Haters? Of which there are some. Claudia, I did see Bo and Yang on his podcast was like, oh, we watched the UK version of Traitors. Their Alan Cumming is ridiculous. And I was like, buddy, fight me now. But he was like, she's so dramatic. And I was like, and Alan Cumming. Isn't come on. Claudia is the goat. All right. Talk to you on Patreon Friday and then other stuff other times. Bye. Love you.