Seed Cycling for Hormone Balance: How Two Moons Is Changing Women's Health Naturally

it contains certain electrolytes such as magnesium or selenium or zinc or manganese. I think the enemy of innovation and creativity is in fact embarrassment. This is also helped with the digestion general which can also help with balancing out hormones and clearance of hormones. Welcome to the Hot Flash Health Podcast where we're auditioning out unfiltered truth about menopause with a side of fast and a sprinkle of fast. Get ready to dive into the wild world of popplashes, mood swings and all of the other joys of gaming cleaning. This ain't your grandma's podcast, no no, we are here to talk our bodies, our fears, our passions, our desires. All while navigating this wild, we'll will reproster rive of menopause. So grab a glass of wine, perfect. Kick back, relax and let's enjoy this hot flash wave together. I'm Courtney Mimousha and Alon Fagni is my fabulous co-host Don Fable, which is two wild spoken brides who like to call it how it is. Now without further ado let's kick off today's episode. Good afternoon and welcome back to the Hot Flash Health Podcast where we laugh through the sweats, we cry through the mood swings and we cheer for the badass women including these women who are changing the game in hormonal health. I'm your host Don Fable and my sidekick Courtney Mimousha and today's guest we are so excited to have. So welcome Terry Ching and Dr. Uri Conzer, the incredible co-founders of two moons. This is the first seed cycle capsule on the market where it helps women everywhere find natural support for PMS, PMDD, and Perry Mimousha's hormonal acne and beyond what a gift to all of us. Terry is a former lawyer and executive in the entertainment industry who took the lead to pursue two moons. Full-time last October we love the re-imension story. Yoriki is a brilliant neurologist and researcher who brings an integrative approach to patient care. Together they have created a company that's not only helping women balance their hormones but also empowering mothers and daughters alike because when you're dealing with paramanopause and puberty, hormones support matters. So today we're super excited to dive into what the heck is seed cycling and what does it look like? How these friends turn to personal passion into a product helping hundreds and thousands of women? Why moms and teenage daughters can both benefit from seed cycling? Why advocating for your health, your hormones is the new power move. So ladies, grab your fan, your adaptor gentie, or tequila, don't judge and let's get into it. Welcome ladies. Okay I want to really know you know we're kind of going through your history a little bit. How you guys started a doctor, meets a lawyer, meets a music class, I mean give us kind of what this started like this Roncom of beauty-ness that really helped create this product and how that friendship turned into launching this product you guys. Well to start from the beginning we have to go 17 years back. This is 2008 so it's pre-credit crisis that we met in a Juilliard master class for advanced amateurs in piano piano performance and we were young professionals at the time. La Rica was working in research, I was a junior associate and one of those white shoe law firms and we were both working very long hours but we wanted something fun where we could relax after work and so we both enrolled in this class at Juilliard that we were in for five years. That's where we met. Wow then we stayed friends over the course of the next 17 years obviously we're here today but two years ago I was hosting a clothing swap for our group of women friends in my apartment and the topic turned to a hormonal health and what we each have been going through and I opened up to the group that I've dealt with PMDD for most of my adult life and it's interesting enough that even after all these years of friendship we didn't really talk about this a lot so this was really sort of a breakthrough moment for us and I mentioned that I had tried hormonal birth control, I tried antidepressants to deal with PMDD which is basically a severe form of PMS it comes monthly and I asked La Rica if there was something more natural that she knew of as you know she's a doctor something more natural that would be a gentler solve for this issue and she mentioned that she had seat cycle for years and she's a Western trained doctor but she's open to integrative approaches to medicine and her father is an OBGYN in Germany and so she knew about seat cycling done it herself and she recommended it to me and I said well it sounds great it's so you know it's holistic it's natural but it's very complicated and she'll get into how it's done later but it basically involves mixing four seeds during different parts of your cycle and I'm a real um bloodite in the kitchen so it wasn't I wasn't going to be mixing these seeds and also I was traveling 40% of the year at that time for work so I said couldn't we make it simpler for women couldn't we package it in a simpler form at first we thought maybe we'd make snack bars so we pre-mix the seeds for two different parts of the cycle and produce these snack bars and then we even tried a few recipes in the kitchen which were a bit too sweet but then we did some market research among our friends our sisters our sisters friends there are sisters a real sisterhood market research experiment and we found out that women do not want to eat more snack bars they were not interested in consuming more calories or sugar and so we asked them what they preferred how they can prefer to consume it instead and capsules ranked as number one above granolas above any other sort of bite or bar and so it was followed second by gummies but gummies also have a lot of sugar and you'd have to make a giant gummy like a just a preposterously large sized gummy to fit all the active ingredient and so we thought capsules for the win so that's basically every every teenager girl is listening to this like wait where are my big gummies let's wait go back to the big gummy so yeah so because we were too lazy to the mix seeds in the kitchen we had to form a company oh my gosh you know sometimes it's those stories that come out with the most phenomenal results you know and oftentimes we find that many of the women we speak to are coming from that of a personal need so thank you both for combining your vision and your knowledge and your passion and helping other women now I am dying to know because the seed cycling has not made it to the mainstream yet so for both myself and our listeners who are very new to this idea can you actually break down what seed cycling it is and why do different seeds support your different phases of your cycle absolutely also first of all thank you so much for having us and so the seed cycling is a very interesting concept and it essentially supports both halves of the menstrual cycle so there are two different seeds that are consumed during the first half which are flexes and pumpkin seeds and then sunflower and sesame seeds during the second half and ideally you use the freshly ground seeds and you have them ideally in the morning and you can have them in some kind of like the musli of granola in a smoothie or you eat them raw and the idea behind this is that it contains certain electrolytes such as magnesium or selenium or zinc or manganese which have different properties such as being anti-inflammatory or they can help with pain and cramps or they can help with headaches and then there also contain lignans for example the flexes during the first half they contain lignans that are very powerful in the sense of they have a little bit of a frituestrogenic property moreover the seeds also help with the digestion general which can also help with balancing out hormones and clearance of hormones and essentially there are probably some roots in agioretic medicine where seeds are used a lot and the term itself is coined not so long ago but seeds themselves have been used for a long time and it is very interesting if you look at literature the actually ingredients, zinc magnesium etc. they have been actually nicely described in various conditions such as migraine or period related migraine and headache or for example cramps or other conditions inflammation etc. and lignans themselves such as the ones that are contained in the flexi are also nicely described that they can help with some hormonal balancing and so this is kind of the idea behind the seed cycling so by itself it's a very simple concept it's like very natural ingredients just two different seeds during the first 14 days idyllia and two seeds during the second 14 days but I mean it can be a cumbersome thing I mean I grew up having seeds almost every morning somehow in my old me And it was a very natural, regular thing that we just did at home and I never thought too much about it until I really read the term seed cycling and thought a little bit more about it and actually later implemented it fully. And Nureke, you have such an interesting background. You know, you come from a long family line of your father's and OBGYN in Germany and you are a physician and obviously very passionate about this research. Can you share with us a little bit about just your background? So it's actually very interesting. Mother's father invented several types of teas such as four headaches against allergies for liver health, kidney health, etc. And it was very interesting to grow up as a child and be among all these herbs and all these beautiful things that were constantly mixed and it was great to see how people were very happy and thankful for this. And my parents still have one tea that they still sell, the gif and sell essentially to some people are still so excited about it because they feel so well on it. And my dad is an OB and he actually took me when I was 19 and freshly in med school, he took me to an acupuncture class as well because he always said like just do a natural approach and do a natural way and why doing it everything with a pillow, hormonal booster or some artificial big thing. Just try something natural first and it's really nice to see kind of that approach from both parents and of course there's always a role for the classic medicine, but all means I mean this is what I have learned a lot through both parents as well. But it's really nice to see the integrated approach and I am here a neurologist and specifically specialist for autoimmune diseases in the brain and we come with really big autoimmune medications and enter inflammatory medication. So these are quite big guns actually, but I always think it is also worth while talking to everybody about sleeping, got health and yeah, just hormonal well being, etc. And I think this is just always a nice thing to bring up to everybody and so everybody who wants to listen to it or does not want to listen to it gets this speeches and so Terry was one of them and this is how this entire conversation started. Yeah, I can imagine that you know both of you where you have this history of your family and your upbringing or traditions that you bring to the United States and have this knowledge and continue your path in medicine and Terry you're out here just being a woman like the rest of us like I'm not frustrated. Like I have these symptoms how can I manage this you know what what were some of your bulls like oh my god at works moments right like you're obviously like this is going to help women a little bit. We want to bring this to the market what were some of those moments for you guys that really need to want to do this for and Terry quit your job. Well, it's interesting. So I was an entertainment lawyer before becoming a founder at two minutes and people often think it's so different to be a wellness entrepreneur versus an entire entertainment lawyer. But I have to say because I was working in independent film my final role is that this is a chief legal officer for an independent film company also had a business affairs and business development. I have to say there's a lot of parallels between indie film and being an entrepreneur. Okay, so they both require quite a bit of scrappiness right you have to make do with scarce resources but also you need to have a lot of imagination. You have to be able to rally people around a vision you have to align all the different talents right in indie film that could be cast and crew in a startup obviously you got the technical side you have the the side that's raising investment as well and then in independent film. You have to make things cool to small group of people before you bring it to a wide audience right so you have limited release and then you bring it to wide release and then you have to think about the marketing and distribution behind that. And the same thing is true in the wellness space as well you need to find your people first like the true believers and the people that are very passionate and the early adopters and they spread the word to everybody else and then also going on podcasts like these. This would be no it wouldn't be a strange thing in the entertainment industry to to go on the podcast yet so. I think that I learned a tremendous amount from the very talented directors and producers that I had the opportunity to work with and so nothing nothing is lost and in fact I think it it was a very natural segue in some ways and also we did an accelerator program so we can and I did not just dive into this willing. I mean, you know, we participated in an accelerator for a few months that was held at night so we were able to work our day jobs and work on this on weekends and evenings so it's it's definitely been a safari as I tell you it's it's been an adventure but it's really exciting and I feel like having grown up in the Silicon Valley but both my parents are in tech. I was always surrounded by innovation and startups and so it was not out of the question at any moment in time that I would eventually become a founder myself but I did not expect this to happen in my midfies we don't fit your normal kind of Silicon Valley founder profile but that's also what makes it more fun. Well, we applaud you for doing what you're doing in so many different realms first and foremost you know that there's so much noise in the wellness industry with all the different media vehicles and you know it's very difficult to cut through a lot of that noise and make an impact and educate and secondarily you know being female founders we recognize the challenges in the capital environment for female founders and we're really wanting to you know support those endeavors so. Anyone anyway we can do that we're certainly happy to now tell us this you know you have really made these products and seed cycling so much more accessible in the form of the capsules you've come up with such a fantastic name for these capsules the zest and zen capsules can you tell us about these capsules sort of your daily ritual of these capsules how they work and what sort of noticeable differences you might find. And incorporating these into your hormonal cycles so our capsules contain the really finely grinded seeds so the pumpkin seeds and flexes in the zest capsules which are capsules for the first 14 days and then sunflower and sesame seeds in the second set of capsules and we added a little bit of sillium for digestion and dot health and a little bit of chased berry or a vietix which is an herb that is quite commonly used in Europe for periods problems pms sometimes also used for fertility and it actually has been used since Greek ancient times to help with women health concerns and so we added a very small amount there as well to really help with the pms or more pms part of the cycle and essentially one take two capsules ideally in the morning of the zest or zen send is the name of the second half capsule and switches it after 14 days or ideally knowing when the ovulation is if the ovulation is a little bit earlier then switching then if it takes a little bit longer we always recommend just giving it a few days and waiting with the capsules then starting with the new set of capsules and then starting with the first day of period again and it is very interesting to see and here essentially how much the cycle gets regulated with that and not everybody has a 28 day cycle that is also not needed there's a healthy cycle length that is a little bit before and a little bit after so it doesn't need to be 28 days can certainly be a little bit shorter a little bit longer but it's really nice to hear that people who hadn't had cycles in months half cycles or have a little bit more regulated cycles again and so this is the approach to use this capsule and integrated idling to the morning routine. One thing I'm fascinated about is you know your whole journey right so we talked a little bit about how you're helping mothers like myself navigate very menopause and I'm going through a totally different stage than my 15 year old daughter who's going to repuberty and you know we've talked a lot on this podcast about the the sass in the house and trying to deal with that and it just sounds like there's this magic pill that you guys have created that can help little girls going through the stage and kind of ramping up to us. As Queenagers who are you know in these final stages of our menstruation cycle you know there's there's obviously a lot of benefits to this and we're assuming and maybe we can go into some of those benefits like this cramping go away this acne go away I would love to hear more about how these like magic pills are helping everybody and can we like give them to our men to be like shut the fuck up sorry. You bring your book point and yeah thank you for mentioning this so this is essentially something very interesting and you mentioned the spectrum essentially of women's healthy for the life cycle and it's so what we essentially recommend is the capsules for adults however we have heard now the first comments in teenagers and younger women or girls and it is very interesting so first of all teenage girls often do not have a regular cycle yet because they're often not ovulatory yet. So the entire pituitary ovary access essentially has to align and get into the right rhythm with all the other hormones that all communicated interact and those have to first go and get into their regular habits of essentially having this abs and flows of estrogen progesterone all the other hormones to play a role and as they are not ovulatory or as they're sometimes really long delays in between there can be sometimes yeah like of periods very severe periods also cramps also associated acne and the idea with the seed cycling is that they become more regulated. And the chase pair actually can help as well. I spoke to some labs in Europe who use chase pair, particularly in teenage girls. It's really nice how it helps and how it is used there. And there are other ideas such as the sink can be anti-inflammatory and can also help with some pain. The magnesium particularly helps with pain. And also sink magnesium can help with acne. Can, is it modified and modulates estrogen and progesterone? It also helps modulating testosterone, which often can contribute to acne. And also is hormones are washed out in a more easier fashion. It also helps essentially with inflammation. Now going more to the paramanoposite, in between the taps with PMS and just regular cycle. And having a really nice regular cycle is very powerful thing to really know when are more vulnerable days, when are really further days to act on it, to avoid it. Or just being aware of the own bodies, actually a really important thing for women. And actually really beautiful thing. And then for the paramanoposite part, it is very interesting to see because there are certain fluctuations. Progesterone can start to dip down a little bit, starting at age 35. And then there can be these estrogen fluctuations. And sometimes what we call an estrogen dominance. And there can be also somewhat unovulatory cycles, prolonged cycles, more hormones of certain sort, such as more estrogen. And the c-tacking itself can also help in the chase pair. Again, can help with all this. And it probably does not help if someone has like one cycle every six months. But if they're a little bit uneven, it can actually really help nicely with this. And it has been well described that it again, can help with balancing the hormones and washing out excess hormones and helping with all the pain, maybe paramanopos, acne, skin changes, insomnia, et cetera. - You know, this is so fascinating because this is essentially something that's been in existence for hundreds of years. And it's a very natural solution. You know, one that I can't imagine causes a tremendous amount of side effects or things of that nature with such proven methodology and efficiencies for women who are at any point in their cycle. As a woman myself who's gone through many of these sorts of things, I'm very frustrated that this isn't more commonplace. This isn't being spoken about in your traditional medical practices. Why is that? You know, because I think as a society, physicians and the current medical system that we operate in, you know, it's so quick to be prescribed something. Perscribe, prescribe, prescribe. Not to say that, you know, there aren't certain cases or scenarios in which you need to have prescriptions. But, you know, for many of us, me personally, I would much rather lean into that natural supplementation. So I can only imagine the challenges that you're facing in this regard, but why isn't this being talked about more so? And why isn't this being advocated for with our traditional healthcare system? So it is an interesting idea how we regard medicine these days. And I think it has developed in a lot of ways over the last centuries or maybe the last thousand years. For so I think women's health had been a women's topic a long time ago and it was probably traded and educated and given from one woman to the next woman to the next generation within the female part. And I think there was probably a lot of verbal knowledge that was there and it was given from grandmother to daughter to grand daughter or maybe within certain schools and traditions. And that has been somewhat regarded as not great to be shared by women and probably also somewhat esoteric and maybe even richery. If I may say that, that has probably been eradicated to a certain degree. And probably there was a lot of women's knowledge. It's interesting there is this composer and very knowledgeable woman Hildegard von Bingen, who was actually a really famous herbalist and shared a lot and had a lot of knowledge. And I think a lot of women had that at that time. And then of course the development of modern medicine, how we actually have a lot of great symptom treatment. Of course, a lot of like origin treatment as well to treat the root cause of things. But on the other hand, we rely a lot on often band-aids. And sometimes we don't know root causes for everything. And I think the third aspect that is also very important is of course studies. And we thankfully have evidence-based medicine. And we do have studies and more knowledge on classical pharmacological medications rather than on nutrition or herbal things. And I think there's a lot of shift and a lot of change and it's very nice and interesting to see that there's more interest going into this. And I personally am a big believer in the synergistic energy of both and we certainly need medications. We need the traditional pharmacological approaches. But how nice is it actually to also have some herbal or natural things that can aid and help and support and maybe ease some things? And maybe we can use one in one case and the other in the other case and not everybody's the same person. So we always have to weigh this out. I love that too, it's taking an approach of, yes, medicine can do one thing, but there's also our planet is filled with so many amazing things that should be used. And one thing that I'm applauding that you women are doing is really taking two moons into campuses, right? So to Daw's point, there's so many of us who aren't talking about this, finding your company. It's the first time I've ever heard of seed cycling. People are probably like, where's your bank working? But really, it's like, wait, what is that? And that sounds interesting. So teaching women about hormonal health and some of the tools that are available to them is genius because to Daw's point, we're not talking about it. We need to get these conversations going. I, for one, feel like the term minipause. We should get rid of the men and call it, whoa, pause. But I'm working on that. But how important is this type of efficacy out there? And what are you guys seeing out there when you're teaching women and talking about this? Are there light bulbs going off? And you're just getting so much, you're getting jazzed because of this. I'm sure like this company, you guys are like, this is awesome. Like people are like, fine, they're feeling better. Woo! So tell me a little bit about that experience for you, ladies. We absolutely love going to the business school campuses. So this last year, we started at Columbia, then NYU Stern, Wharton, and then MIT Sloan. And during these events, we paired a wellness event with a hormonal health talk. And then also not just on the medical side, but also on the role of pushing for more research in hormonal health in general. And what are some root cause reasons? Why maybe there are some stigmatization around speaking about menstrual health. So kind of breaking that down to the root causes. But we really believe that these women are the future captains of industry. And they're going into so many different fields. They're in business school for just 18 months. And they were pre-selected by these business schools for their leadership ability. And oftentimes they're being sponsored by employers to go to business school. And then they returned to those employers, these top-notch employers. And I think that if we're able to open up their mindsets about things around menstrual health around hormonal health, that they can take this back into many different industries and influence their workplace cultures. And to sort of normalize these public discussions around hormonal health. And we find a lot of curiosity among their generation as well. So Gen Z has really picked up on the seed cycling trend. There's so many videos on TikTok about seed cycling. So Julien and I joke around that we were accidentally on trend. We're not even on TikTok. We don't. It's sort of just like if you, you know, you wear the same clothes for 40 years eventually you're going to be really hip, right? So we were accidentally on trend. But this generation Gen Z, they're very concerned about wellness. They really want to have more of a balanced lifestyle, balancing workplace ambition with taking care of their health. So I think that in addition to whatever TikTok fad there is out there, it's an actually an opportunity to have a bigger conversation. And also to raise certain questions. So I like to ask them, well, why is it that you think that when you go to Dwayne Reed, for instance, you'll see a whole aisle of cold and flu remedies. And where's the aisle for improving KMS symptoms? They say, how many times a year do you get a cold? I get a cold maybe two or three times a year. How many times a year do I have a bit difficult cycle? Twelve times a year. But where's the aisle for those remedies? To really draw into question, well, why is it considered impolite to talk about your period? Who decided what was polite? Maybe we should redefine what is polite. So these are some larger questions that we want to bring into the business schools. It's sort of a technology, but I think there's hardware and software. There's a hardware in terms of how do you take care of your body by the food that you feed it, the supplements you take, the rest you get, and then there's the software, which is the mindset. How do you feel about being a person with a period? Are you embarrassed about it? Are you embarrassed to talk about it? Why? And why are you embarrassed about it? And can we all be a little less embarrassed? Because I think the enemy of innovation and creativity is, in fact, embarrassment. So just, you know, these are sort of bigger picture conversations that we want to [BLANK_AUDIO] bring to the schools. I love it. I'm thinking about just you know my daughter is going to summer camp next week and I'm trying to get her packed up before my travels and go downstairs and like, "Himmy, did you pack enough tampons?" because I just want to have this free conversations in my house and like normalize it that it's okay to have your period and it's okay to talk to it and I could just see she got a little tense stuff because I mentioned it in front of her dad and I'm like, "Dad knows you have a period? I have a period." You know so just taking it back to some of these kids and like how they still are growing up with this like stigmatism around you know women's bodies it's just it's hot you know you're kind of like, "It was just normal. Let's talk about it." Like what we're doing is normal. So thank you for educating. It's so powerful you know that you're opening up dialogue and really changing narrative around some of these topics that have been you know had so much shame around them and we talk about you know where's the aisle for that? Well what you're doing to educate women and to make more noise in a workplace where perhaps an educational environment is so powerful because you think about the number of women that contribute to our global workforce and how disruptive some of these conditions can be to that you know struggling with you know pariamenapause with your brain fog with your executive functioning with all of that I mean so we need to start having more of these conversations and really shifting the narrative around this and so we're so very thankful for innovators and visionaries like the two of you who are making that happen you know and speaking of I was looking at your website earlier which is so beautiful but you have two really really things that were very powerful to me. One was our mission goes beyond just a product it's about cultural change community and giving women tools to feel more connected to their bodies. I mean talk about an extraordinary mission statement that is just phenomenal the second one that says our greatest pain point became our greatest innovation or excuse me our greatest pain point became our greatest inspiration for invention empowering women to reclaim control over their bodies through natural accessible solutions so huge kudos to both of those things can you talk to either of those statements and any additional depth because I think that they resonate to so many women like myself. I often say to believe it's not just a capsule it's a conversation for us it was never just about a product well first of all it was about solving a very personal pain point and then realizing when it could be better for one person could be better for many people right it's a universal pain point for women who menstruate and so it's I think that we just felt very compelled by the purpose we both have careers or you know when I started this I was working full-time as a lawyer but we felt so drawn by this mission to really serve a broader purpose that's why I've chosen to devote you know myself full-time into this as well but yeah Uli would you like to chime in on our mission? Thank you for for sharing that part I think the other aspect is to see and learn along the way how it is perceived and that is actually really nice and encouraging and we discussed for some time what we actually mean and want to do in terms of of change in the dressing certain aspects and it is really nice how to hear from many women and countless women over and over again like huh that is actually really something that we should do so much more and that is a really nice thing to live through and and experience in this entire growing process. Yeah it's beautiful and I love the company name where did it come from how did you guys come up with two moons? Your two bombs? Two butts are better with one? Yeah you're not the first person who's mentioned that so I just learned about that but no two moons it actually is as sort of a poetic meaning behind it so my parents are originally from Taiwan and I speak Mandarin as well and the Chinese character for friendship is actually made of two radicals that are two moons put together and so two moons represents our friendship but also the friendship that a woman has with her own body and the friendship that she has with the world so that's where it comes from. That is beautiful so before you know all our listeners we're probably going to wrap up soon but we all of our listeners kind of want to know when and how to take this right so women typically wait until the worst time right we're already in crisis mode we feel crappy we're like okay we're run down so you know it sounds like this product is just even more of a preventive thing right so if you're going through your whole stages if you want to have your periods more regulated I don't even know it sounds like you can maybe even help with fertility issues but I'm sure it's hard to claim that but you know it sounds like before things spiral out of control for us like it's important to look at cycling right to really help standardize your health can you share anything any other tips and hints around that it is there's this lovely new term that I keep reading that it's a vital sign that the female predisposite sign and if that one works well and if one lifts well and feels well throughout it that it's actually a really good indicator and you actually brought up a really nice point and said doing this is a preventative and it's true it is an easy step to probably integrate every day to support and encourage the body to remain the natural abs and flows as much as possible as long as possible at one time point the hormones reduce is probably no no possibility to balance it with seeds but it is something that can be integrated and done very easily I'm a big fan always of less is more and everybody always needs to listen here about my tips but other things that I always share is listen really well to your body and really do simple things such as do the breathing and to drink a lot of water really watch out for your sleep everybody always needs to listen to my magnesium talks here and other things are really good such as yeah maybe some cold exposure sunlight exposure and because these are things that we just have forgotten and these are little natural tweaks that we all can integrate very easily in helping our very intricate system that is actually really dependent on light and nighttime and melatonin and denocene to really balance out all our hormones and help us feel well and it's just really little tweaks that can be done all day long without thinking much about it that can help and these little seeds are a nice tool and you make it so easy to incorporate all of those into our daily routines and regimens how can we find more about your company how can we order your products how can we learn about you know these different types of seeds how can we find more of you ladies and in the beautiful product that you've created um you can find us on our website www.tumanshealth.co co two minutes health.co and also on Instagram at two minutes health on our website um you can order a pair of the bottles for uh both one time or subscription and there's also um a lot of the studies that we drew on um that are link there if you want to read more about each of the ingredients all the seeds and the chase berry and also a lot of frequently asked questions about the use sounds amazing but hopefully we'll get them on our minipaus marketplace too so we'll talk to you about that and uh support your company and share with all of our lovely followers and and growing community because that's what we're about is sharing amazing products and stories like you too so thank you ladies so much for being on today sharing your stories sharing your passion for health helping change the world for better one seed at a time that's uh well we'll call the wrap that's that's it for today so please follow them be sure to follow us on our social media at hotplash health listen to any of your favorite podcast platforms and let's build this community together ladies so until next time say classy sassy and keep those hot flashes in check and that's a wrap on today's episode remember minipaus maybe a while ride but together we've got this and don't forget to follow us on instagram facebook tiktok at hotplash health stream and subscribe to us and any of your favorite listening platforms like youtube apple and Spotify and of course share your thoughts with us we love hearing from our amazing listeners and until next time say sassy stay fabulous and keep those hot flashes in check yeah girl